Messianic Prophecies and Matthew's Dishonesty Part 2

[MrEmeraldfusion]

"Hosea 11 1When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt. 2As they called them, so they went from them: they sacrificed unto Baalim, and burned incense to graven images."

Obviously this is a fabricated prophecy for Jesus. When talking about Israel and saying, they went away from God when Jesus never did.Did Jesus sacrifice to Ballim? (Matthew 2:15)

[daddywaddypooh]

Good video. I'm surprised you don't have more views compared to similar videos that are lacking in content and quality.

Looking forward to part 3.

[HybridD91]

The verse that says "When ISRAEL was a child"? I don't see how in the blue hell did Christians take that to mean Jesus when it clearly says Israel.

[COMALiteJ]

You skipped one. When Herod died and Joseph was told to return, that was to allegedly fulfill Hosea 11:1, but then almost immediately after, the angel warns Joseph that Archelaus, Herod's son, now rules, so Joseph didn't return to Bethlehem, but instead turned aside into Galilee, and settled in Nazareth.

Matthew claims that this was done to fulfill that which was spoken by the prophets, "He shall be called a Nazarene."

Of course, no such prophecy exists in the Old Testament. At all. Period.

[FireproofAshes]

@COMALiteJ

Haha, I guess I did miss that one! I was only paying attention to the OT prophecies that actually exist...

[COMALiteJ]

@FireproofAshes, the interesting thing is that WITHOUT that prophecy, there's NO REASON for Joseph to have taken the family to Nazareth, and thus for Jesus to be "Jesus OF NAZARETH"!

Think about it: they flee Herod to Egypt, then Herod dies, then the angel tells Joseph it's SAFE TO RETURN, so Joseph uproots his family once again and trek across the desert heading back to Judaea, only to have the angel come AGAIN and say, "Ooops! Uh, Archelaus rules now. Better go to Nazareth, Galilee instead."

[COMALiteJ]

@FireproofAshes (cont).

I mean, what, did it not even OCCUR to the ALL-KNOWING, OMNISCIENT GOD that a KING'S SON just *MIGHT* SUCCEED him as King!?

I mean, that NEVER happens, right? RIGHT!?

Well, except for, uh, er, practically EVERY OTHER TIME IN HISTORY (including in God's own Israel and Judah!) in which a king died while having a living son! I mean, that's practically the whole POINT of royalty — DYNASTIES!

Without the "Nazarene" prophecy as reason for this, there's NO OTHER EXPLANATION!

[filmvideogamesbooks]

Well done! Keep on doing more!

[FireproofAshes]

@filmvideogamesbooks

Thank you! I WILL be making more someday (the scripts are already done), it's just a matter of finding the time (which has been very scarce lately).

[hat655]

I agree with you.

Though I believe as a Christian that Matthew was doing this because he was trying to spread Christianity.

Jesus did fulfill actual prophecies about a Messiah.

The one about the Messiah in battle. 'The Messiah has two mission' Isaiah 61:1-3. So logically some prophecies will not be fulfilled by a Messiah in his first mission.

I don't totally agree with all your interpretations on this topic though.

[FireproofAshes]

Hi hat655,

my issue is with people trying to use these prophesies to prove that Jesus was the messiah. The point is, if it's an unfulfilled prophecy then it doesn't count as anything.

It's fine that you disagree with me (I'm by no means an expert), but I must ask - if you accept that Matthew was twisting the truth in these instances, why do you still consider him a trustworthy source of information?

[Cootabux]

This is a great series of videos on this subject.

I hope you'll continue on and eventually do them all.

[OriMeissa]

Great video!

Evidently some things haven't changed in 20 centuries! It reminds me of the Evangelical Christian movement, especially those that preach "prosperity/wealth transfer", when they twist almost every verse they encounter to deceive their audiences with some new money making scam they've engineered for their gullible flocks!!

As you said, if the text is vague enough, then a myriad conclusions can be drawn from it.

[TehShopko]

Of course, most Christians argue that the biblical passages referred to by Matthew were dualistic in nature; they talked about an event of the time while also providing God's prophecy of what is yet to come. This dualism seems totally ad-hoc to me ("let's do a word-search of the Old Testament and find something that seems to fit").

The other argument you may get is that the Holy Spirit does not live in you, and therefore you are blinded to the truth and cannot correctly interpret scripture.

[TehShopko]

(I used to be an evangelical, until I started to question my own beliefs and actually READ the Bible) :-)

Anyhow, thanks for this great series! I too am enjoying it.

[FireproofAshes]

The 2nd argument isn't actually addressing my points, so it doesn't count ;)

I agree with your conclusions regarding the first argument, and I do, indeed, hear it a lot. Reasoning in that way also puts prophecy on a level so vague as to be invalid.

This series isn't really aimed at those people, however, but rather at people who actually see these prophecies as proof that Jesus was the Messiah. (Aka, people who never look further than Lee Strobel or Josh McDowell.)

Glad you're enjoying it!

[localhazard]

Your doing a great job man! Very enlightening!

[vibrant151]

I'm so glad I found you channel, yes i'm enjoying them