I like Caffe Nero, its my favorite coffee shop. I could try other places when im about but their is no guarantee I will like it. Its reliable. Not that Coffee is that important.
But don't you think the tribal/group aspect of humanity is inherent in our evolution? If you have ever watched that Documentary "The Incredible Human Journey", on one episode where they discussed why homosapiens survived and neanderthals didn't, it was due to our ability to support each other in groups unlike the neanderthals. OK I know its a big leap from evolution to brands as tribes but maybe it is just something we humans need?
@ShallowBeThyGames One of the greatest pieces of wisdom I have ever had the privelage to have brougbht to my rational awareness. I wonder though, how much the person who wrote it actualy believes it...
I used to love a company that had used only union shops and disclosed the pay and benefits the employees earned compared to a living wage in that country. They also made affordable canvas high tops (I was so bummed when Phil Knight bought Converse!).
I stick to 2nd hand stuff & DIY when I can - it's cheaper, and (in the case of 2nd hand stuff) I like where the money goes. Fair trade stuff (*really* fair trade) is neat when I can afford it :)
So you understand the various forms of evolutionary selection (natural, sexual, etc.), and you get the concept...
... and you're dismayed that humans compulsively appeal to group identities as the first and go-to resort for getting other humans' attention?
There's no "pausing" an evolutionary process at "optimal". A ton of us really do have to die of something before it's selected out, so until living in groups becomes lethal to a ton of humans, get used to group-identity appeals.
@stealthbadger Well I've stopped doing cocaine, opium, LSD, and shrooms, but I still watch the news on TV, and the new Hawaii 5.0, cuz all the principles are young, and attractive—even Wo Fat, and its great to work out to it—lots of action. Guess I'm getting off topic, but have you noticed how acid is usually sold under a brand name? ;)
Its interesting I grew up being told REALLY high quality goods keep the label on the inside, so labels weren't that important to me .I tend to buy 90% of what I have from thrift stores,and when I was young I used to deface the labels. My kids want brand names it's hard to get away from but yeah Hey do you know the magazine "Ad Busters"? you'd like it
Branding, in and of itself, is not a malevolent concept. Its when it is used aggressively by nefarious organisations that it takes on a sinister quality.
So I ask - are you avoiding brands altogether, or just those of certain companies?
@LatumWay I am deeply suspicious of the process by which groups and organizations try to build emotional connections with consumers that transcend any qualities their product/service/actual membership may or may not have.
So yeah, I'm mostly attempting to minimize the impact brands have on how I approach my life without making it the poverty-seeking life-consuming quest it could be.
@Benobo1t There is a TV show called Love Monkey, and the producers would probably just sue for infringement. I figure I'm all right until someone successfully bribes the PTO to register "I'm me."
Hear, hear! I have my open source case of thinking out of the box in the European court of human rights right now. Man has just so many years to think, but if you think you need to ne prepared to discrimination and rape.
At least when it comes to clothing and food products, the only thing I'm stuck on is fit (or taste as the case may be). If I find a particular brand that fits me well and doesn't cost that much money, I'll buy it. I'm always looking for other things that are better, but I'll continue buying that brand until I find a better fit. Other than that, I don't give a rat's patoot about labels, and none of my clothing has brand monikers across the front. I'm not your billboard, thank you very much.
@abbynormal0ne See, then you're focusing on the product and not the brand. I wear one brand of jeans for the same reason - they fit and I like the style. *highfives*
@stealthbadger I did get a lot of flack in elementary and HS for not wearing the right brands. It has made me detest brands for my entire life. Brand culture makes me ill and angry.
@nishbrown It's even worse with pet food - most branded pet foods are made by wholesale processors that repackage it with different labels - which is why the melamine scare affected so many brands of pet food.
The most salient example for me is the Abercrombie & Fitch brand, or as I like to call them, Abercrummy & Bitch. Between their sweat shop manufactured clothing, obscene retail mark-up, discriminatory employment practices, it's safe to say they're a douchebag company. But try to convince the douchebags who buy their clothes of this.
The phenomena of the fanboy/fangirl is rather curious. They almost have seizures over that stuff.
@TheRecoveringZombie American Apparel does the same thing, they just do it all in the United States (or territories) - which to me is even sleazier. >.< Fmeh. I hate buying clothes.
@TalkingWigHead I don't really know enough about the hipster culture to say, but I suspect it's too extroverted for my tastes (this is a total guess, since just about everything is to extrovert-friendly for my tastes :D).
All of my clothes are brandless - ie. sans logos or trademarks. I don't get payed by these assholes for advertising, so why should I do it? These brandists type of people are really no different than people of faith . . . . it seems that the typical human brain has a high-capacity chamber for stupidity, ignorance, vanity and a high reserve of intellectual laziness. ps - watch The Ledge!
@rictusgate Chapman is a good example of why I'm skeptical of Atheists as well. I saw the writer in an interview with Aron Ra, and they were talking about moderate vs. fanatical muslims, and what Chapman and Aron Ra object to is essentially that religious people not only do not agree on what "brand Muslim" or "brand Christianity" are, that they don't agree with Aron Ra/Chapman's perception of them either.
They put it in the terms of "why don't the moderates object to/rise up against (cont)
@stealthbadger the fundamentalists, when the answers are pretty simple: one, we try to stay away from crazy people who try to co-opt and control our group identity rather than give them credibility, and two, as tempting as collective responsibility is as a simplifying idea, it just doesn't work out well in the real world.
Here's the video linked to the timestamp of what I'm talking about: watch?v=lrs2qeRHN-I#t=21m25s
@stealthbadger This is something that has niggled @ me for some time now. When people claim to be Christian or Muslim or whatever I have a hard time caring simply because the terms have lost all meaning. What do u mean by 'Christian' or Muslim? The spectrum of ideas and thoughts that these terms seem to encompass is so vast that it cannot be pinned down. I tend to lump the groups as supernaturalists/spiritualists and naturalists/rationalists for simplicity's sake.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who hates brand names/ refuses to be brand loyal. Rather make things myself.
norabrice 5 months ago
I like Caffe Nero, its my favorite coffee shop. I could try other places when im about but their is no guarantee I will like it. Its reliable. Not that Coffee is that important.
YouTube is a kind of brand on its own now.lol
HorizonNinja 8 months ago
In the Mad-Max style future, Clan Nike will fight against Clan Hilfiger till all are destroyed...
BobChaos23 8 months ago
If you are not a windows person, do you use linux? If you do, which distro?
sesaruoosama 8 months ago
@sesaruoosama Nobody is a Windows, Mac, Linux, etc. person. :D
I do use Debian, Slackware, Ubuntu, and Red Hat Enterprise (bleh).
stealthbadger 8 months ago
But don't you think the tribal/group aspect of humanity is inherent in our evolution? If you have ever watched that Documentary "The Incredible Human Journey", on one episode where they discussed why homosapiens survived and neanderthals didn't, it was due to our ability to support each other in groups unlike the neanderthals. OK I know its a big leap from evolution to brands as tribes but maybe it is just something we humans need?
squirrly001 8 months ago
Some people are desperate to "belong". A brand is such a strong metaphor.
DrSpooglemon 8 months ago
When I think about brands I always turn into Tyler Durden from Fight Club (in my own head - mostly); "The things you own, end up owning you".
ShallowBeThyGames 8 months ago
@ShallowBeThyGames One of the greatest pieces of wisdom I have ever had the privelage to have brougbht to my rational awareness. I wonder though, how much the person who wrote it actualy believes it...
DrSpooglemon 8 months ago
I used to love a company that had used only union shops and disclosed the pay and benefits the employees earned compared to a living wage in that country. They also made affordable canvas high tops (I was so bummed when Phil Knight bought Converse!).
I stick to 2nd hand stuff & DIY when I can - it's cheaper, and (in the case of 2nd hand stuff) I like where the money goes. Fair trade stuff (*really* fair trade) is neat when I can afford it :)
durtygrrrl 8 months ago
So you understand the various forms of evolutionary selection (natural, sexual, etc.), and you get the concept...
... and you're dismayed that humans compulsively appeal to group identities as the first and go-to resort for getting other humans' attention?
There's no "pausing" an evolutionary process at "optimal". A ton of us really do have to die of something before it's selected out, so until living in groups becomes lethal to a ton of humans, get used to group-identity appeals.
zEropoint68 8 months ago
i have no brand loyalty at all. i do tend to buy Converse all stars, the shoes, but couldn't care less about the label for its own sake.
gothatfunk 8 months ago
I use my Starbucks mug to collect urine.
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Sports teams are brands.
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No, Not Do it... Just Do It!
premed2 8 months ago
@premed2 I find not watching TV really, really helps.
stealthbadger 8 months ago
@stealthbadger Well I've stopped doing cocaine, opium, LSD, and shrooms, but I still watch the news on TV, and the new Hawaii 5.0, cuz all the principles are young, and attractive—even Wo Fat, and its great to work out to it—lots of action. Guess I'm getting off topic, but have you noticed how acid is usually sold under a brand name? ;)
premed2 8 months ago
@tiberianhorde Oh HELL no. :D
stealthbadger 8 months ago
I JUST posted a comment about this to another video...It's almost like thought transference...
Eerie....
Good video!
2bsirius 8 months ago
Its interesting I grew up being told REALLY high quality goods keep the label on the inside, so labels weren't that important to me .I tend to buy 90% of what I have from thrift stores,and when I was young I used to deface the labels. My kids want brand names it's hard to get away from but yeah Hey do you know the magazine "Ad Busters"? you'd like it
nelliediddle 8 months ago
@nelliediddle Been reading it for years. It's good stuff.
stealthbadger 8 months ago
Branding, in and of itself, is not a malevolent concept. Its when it is used aggressively by nefarious organisations that it takes on a sinister quality.
So I ask - are you avoiding brands altogether, or just those of certain companies?
LatumWay 8 months ago
@LatumWay I am deeply suspicious of the process by which groups and organizations try to build emotional connections with consumers that transcend any qualities their product/service/actual membership may or may not have.
So yeah, I'm mostly attempting to minimize the impact brands have on how I approach my life without making it the poverty-seeking life-consuming quest it could be.
stealthbadger 8 months ago
Super Duper Ultra Monkey Ballsack .
It's not copywritten as of yet . so run with it
Must Love Monkeys.
Benobo1t 8 months ago
@Benobo1t There is a TV show called Love Monkey, and the producers would probably just sue for infringement. I figure I'm all right until someone successfully bribes the PTO to register "I'm me."
stealthbadger 8 months ago
I am very proud of what I have done to myself ....uh For myself . *people in head*. Just wow.. I'm over it .
Thanks .
Bendersound 8 months ago
Hear, hear! I have my open source case of thinking out of the box in the European court of human rights right now. Man has just so many years to think, but if you think you need to ne prepared to discrimination and rape.
lolingattheism 8 months ago
As a guy of my size, I'm used to not having a lot of purchasing choices when it comes to clothing ;-)
SiriusMined 8 months ago
I go out of my way NOT to wear cloths with a logo on them.
There's enough logo feces in my life already
SiriusMined 8 months ago
At least when it comes to clothing and food products, the only thing I'm stuck on is fit (or taste as the case may be). If I find a particular brand that fits me well and doesn't cost that much money, I'll buy it. I'm always looking for other things that are better, but I'll continue buying that brand until I find a better fit. Other than that, I don't give a rat's patoot about labels, and none of my clothing has brand monikers across the front. I'm not your billboard, thank you very much.
abbynormal0ne 8 months ago
@abbynormal0ne See, then you're focusing on the product and not the brand. I wear one brand of jeans for the same reason - they fit and I like the style. *highfives*
stealthbadger 8 months ago
@stealthbadger I did get a lot of flack in elementary and HS for not wearing the right brands. It has made me detest brands for my entire life. Brand culture makes me ill and angry.
abbynormal0ne 8 months ago
Fun fact: 90% of all corporate brand products in your grocery store are manufactured by the leading national manufacturer.
People just want to pay more for a name. And that is literally the only difference.
nishbrown 8 months ago
@nishbrown It's even worse with pet food - most branded pet foods are made by wholesale processors that repackage it with different labels - which is why the melamine scare affected so many brands of pet food.
stealthbadger 8 months ago
What an ironic video to make right after you've become a shill for DIENER JEWELERS!!
TheLaughingOut 8 months ago 5
@TheLaughingOut :D
stealthbadger 8 months ago
The most salient example for me is the Abercrombie & Fitch brand, or as I like to call them, Abercrummy & Bitch. Between their sweat shop manufactured clothing, obscene retail mark-up, discriminatory employment practices, it's safe to say they're a douchebag company. But try to convince the douchebags who buy their clothes of this.
The phenomena of the fanboy/fangirl is rather curious. They almost have seizures over that stuff.
TheRecoveringZombie 8 months ago
@TheRecoveringZombie American Apparel does the same thing, they just do it all in the United States (or territories) - which to me is even sleazier. >.< Fmeh. I hate buying clothes.
stealthbadger 8 months ago
Sounds like a pretty hipster life philosophy, man. :) Not that there's anything wrong with that!
TalkingWigHead 8 months ago
@TalkingWigHead I don't really know enough about the hipster culture to say, but I suspect it's too extroverted for my tastes (this is a total guess, since just about everything is to extrovert-friendly for my tastes :D).
stealthbadger 8 months ago
All of my clothes are brandless - ie. sans logos or trademarks. I don't get payed by these assholes for advertising, so why should I do it? These brandists type of people are really no different than people of faith . . . . it seems that the typical human brain has a high-capacity chamber for stupidity, ignorance, vanity and a high reserve of intellectual laziness. ps - watch The Ledge!
rictusgate 8 months ago
@rictusgate Chapman is a good example of why I'm skeptical of Atheists as well. I saw the writer in an interview with Aron Ra, and they were talking about moderate vs. fanatical muslims, and what Chapman and Aron Ra object to is essentially that religious people not only do not agree on what "brand Muslim" or "brand Christianity" are, that they don't agree with Aron Ra/Chapman's perception of them either.
They put it in the terms of "why don't the moderates object to/rise up against (cont)
stealthbadger 8 months ago
@stealthbadger the fundamentalists, when the answers are pretty simple: one, we try to stay away from crazy people who try to co-opt and control our group identity rather than give them credibility, and two, as tempting as collective responsibility is as a simplifying idea, it just doesn't work out well in the real world.
Here's the video linked to the timestamp of what I'm talking about: watch?v=lrs2qeRHN-I#t=21m25s
stealthbadger 8 months ago
@stealthbadger This is something that has niggled @ me for some time now. When people claim to be Christian or Muslim or whatever I have a hard time caring simply because the terms have lost all meaning. What do u mean by 'Christian' or Muslim? The spectrum of ideas and thoughts that these terms seem to encompass is so vast that it cannot be pinned down. I tend to lump the groups as supernaturalists/spiritualists and naturalists/rationalists for simplicity's sake.
rictusgate 8 months ago
"Tour buses & interns - tourist season - fucking people." Sums up quite a lot.
rictusgate 8 months ago
@rictusgate Yeah, I get a little hostile sometimes. ._.
stealthbadger 8 months ago
@stealthbadger Oi-vay!! The humanity!
rictusgate 8 months ago
This is why I love being a cheap bastard. The only time I have any kind of 'cool brand' is by accident of my cheapness
HeavyTrafficAhead 8 months ago
@HeavyTrafficAhead Works for me, considering how much of the price of a product is now marketing costs.
stealthbadger 8 months ago