I discovered these, and it's like I've been shell shocked... It's like this series filled my brain and everything else I know faded into background. This is somehow super memorable...
the choice is yours... believe what you want to believe. in the meantime, the other half of civilization will be praying to YHWH for you. on your behalf. unselfishly. with pure intent. that's 3.5 billion people, there for you, when you open your eyes. oh, just one thing... how do you know what the cake tastes like without even taking a bite?
whether you believe it or not... Jesus loves you. i'll be one of the several billion that will be praying for you. God bless and good luck with
It has been said that the phrase "I'll pray for you" is just the religious peoples way of saying screw you. While you pray for the poor, we offer welfare, education and aid to help them become self-sufficient. While you pray for the sick, we develop new cures and treatments to ease their suffering. While you set up a nation on ghastly religious edicts and proclamations, we set up a nation on humanist and universal belief in the protection of the individual.
If God gave us a mind, why ask us to close it? If God made us curious about the origins of the universe, why let us be content in our ignorance? If God created the world through evolution, why contradict himself with the revelation of Scripture? I presume you to be a Christian, but it also applies to Islam. You proclaim the inerrancy of the bible, yet state that the New Testament replaces the Old. Does this mean that God changes hi mind and is not Absolute?
Good questions. He created man/woman in His likeness giving us His mind so yes, please let us use it and think. He created a world that evolved from His speaking it into existence and gave us Scripture demonstrating all He does and all we can do. Uh, but what is a christian with their 38 THOUSAND denominations divided in what they believe?
Ah however, the entire original Scriptures are a perfect contiuum with the only changes being in man's understanding and/or transliterations.
@TheClayMichaels I hope you know there's 1,000 other versions of your religion with members all "praying for you" to find them, along with 1,000 other religions. I'm sure there are Muslims praying for you to stop worshiping false a false prophet, and Hindus chuckling that you're worshiping one of Shiva's avatars. The problem is that all these versions of all these religions are equally lacking in any good reason to believe them.
But you know what they say; "You pray for me, I'll think for you."
Religion originates from you, the people. do a little bit of research and maybe you'll understand. also cam someone answer me this question: where do people who have never heard of Jesus, God and so forth go afyer they die? and also where do all the cavemen go after they die?(that one was for non-creationists) and also is there a limbo, is it described in the bible? Thank you and good night.
@pendragon186 in israel the emergency services work on the sabbath without any of the religious people caring about that. in fact, there are religious people who work on the sabbath as paramedics and doctors.
although, there are tons of other problems with religion & health issues in israel. like some jews who refuse to donate organs if it'll go to a non-jewish patient.or arabs who jail family members with mental problems because it's a disgrace for their family.
@kidi1232 sounds like a load of irony on their part but whatever they can choose to bend rules however they see fit.As long as they don't refuse an emergency patient all they have to explain to is their own religion.
Firstly, the Sabbath is the on the 7th day so "sunday" is a work day according to the Scriptures (Exodus 20:8-11) and most "christians" don't observe the true Sabbath anyway.
Secondly, the true Messiah healed on the Sabbath and we read in Mark 3:4 ... And He said to them, "Is it right to do good on the Sabbath, or to do evil, to save life or to kill?” But they remained silent.
Silent .... a good idea because as He also says "You err not knowing the Scriptures". (Matt 22:28).
I'll adress to the biblical point of view. this video is presenting God as giving the law to the people but the people cannot obey the law because it prevents things such as progress and freedom to do whatever they like and that is exactly the point, God knew we will not be able to follow his rules flawlessly. his intentions of giving the ten commandments is clear:
Obviously, the law applies to those to whom it was given, for its purpose is to keep people from having excuses, and to show that the entire world is guilty before God. Romans 3:19 NLT
For no one can ever be made right with God by doing what the law commands. The law simply shows us how sinful we are. Romans 3:20 NLT
This video just shows how ignorant in scripture knowledge the creators of this cartoon are.
In spite of the bible we have laws against slavery, laws for equality for women, laws for the ethical treatment of animals, etc. Do we really need a bible telling us that killing is wrong? Stealing, cheating on ones partner, lying are all wrong just because the bible says so? Bullshit.
@nath63339 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. - Matthew 5:17-18.
Might want to take your own advice...context after all is everything
imagine no religion.. think about this, in the last 500 years, name 1 positive impact, religion ( as a whole) has had on humanity.. and compare that to science and reason. it's not even a contest. , and yet religionist fight science and progress every step of the way. , lest their precious holy book be proven inaccurate .. well they are , and its a shame we still have billions that believe and defend them , even to death, thx for the vid..
Yes, the Ten Commandments REALLY are responsible for the laws and morality of literally millions today who agree to guard all (10 out of 10) these commands as they are written.
Changing these laws to reflect the ones we hold on to might be like removing all speed limits because most actually speed. The fact that "christians" do not adopt all of the 10 commands or just want to see them displayed without living by them only shows a theological hypocrisy that by no way devalues any commands.
@BaqashEmeth Sorry sonny, but the reason we have morals is that we are social animals whose behavior exhibits evolutionary adaptations that favor the good of the social construct. Crediting any of it to your imaginary friend is just wishful and childish thinking.
And calling the first three, which are ugly exhibitions of jealousy, moral is dysfunctional at best.
@BaqashEmeth Sorry sonny, but the reason we have morals is that we are social animals whose behavior exhibits evolutionary adaptations that favor the good of the social construct. Crediting any of it to your imaginary friend is just wishful and childish thinking.
And calling the first three, which are ugly exhibitions of jealousy, moral is dysfunctional at best.
@BaqashEmeth This video was not in particular discussing the values of the 10 Comm.'s. It was indicating how claims that Western civ. is based on these 10 is hooey. Most of the 10 C's are ignored, rightfully so, because they haven't been relevant for 1,000's of years. The 3 laws that every culture anywhere follows, were relevant 1,000, 10,000 years ago, and are still today. They have nothing to do with a monotheistic god, and his/her 10 C's.
Answering NSC's question with the fact that millions (yes, and in the "western world") actually live by these 10 being very relevant as the basis of their morality and laws. Many agree to: rest every 7th day (prevents burn-out), honour their parents, not murder, not thieve, not adulter, not covet, not bear falseness. These 7 contribute to a healthier society. And atheists do better than "christians" with the commands of not having/bowing down to "idols" or desolating YHWH's Name.
@BaqashEmeth No. veggiecrub is correct here. Our social, moral, political, and yes religious values are not built on the 10 commandments. Just look at the values and worldview of this culture. In fact I would argue that western culture is built on ancient Greek values, not those of ancient Judaism. The empirical evidence would bear this out. Thus the viable question is why and how have/do the 10 c still exert themselves and in which way --- purely linguistical I would claim
Really? Then why the "moral" fuss when a president is caught in adultery? Or the federal laws against murder, purgery or stealing (which begins with coveting)? And the political fervor against muslims in their god & religion? Or the t.v. "bleeping" the name, "jesus christ" if perceived as in vain. Even honouring parents means not striking them (Exodus 21:15) punishable as assault in our laws today. That's 7,8 or 9 of 10 are somewhat relevant to all and still 10 of 10 to others.
Yes, the Torah (teachings, commands and law) do provide freedom both then and now as we read in Ya'aqob (james) 1:25 & 2:12. Without them there would be chaos and none of us would truly be free. Just imagine no law for murder, for example ... we would all be less free knowing we could be murdered at anytime.
This is similar for all the ten commands but most "bible colleges" do not teach them as written but support the changing of the 3rd & 4th command.of His Name & Sabbath.
@01cassi, Bibblit College? Really? Eat a turd sammich and choke on iy, you fucking moron. Your Bibblit condones slavery, even though most rational people (including religious dipshits like you) know it's immoral. Fuck, there's even "rules and regs" to explain how to make a slave a wife by raping her. Shut the fuck up and fuck the hell off, cunt.
Even most so called "bible colleges", with all their twisted theologies, might be able to tell you that the true Messiah (who was never named "jesus" [hey-zeus]) didn't give the new command that you quoted as it is first quoted in Deuteronomy 6:5 & Leviticus 19:18.
The true Messiah did not come to change the commands one bit and says that if anyone teaches this is called least in the Kingdom (Matt 5:17-20). These are the ones the TRUE Messiah NEVER knew. (Matt 7:21-23)
So an interesting fact is that the first Commandment directly violates the First Amendment freedom of religion. The commandment against taking the lord's name in vain is a violation of the First Amendment freedom of speech.
Of course things are irreducibly complex if you don't take that thing that you are looking at apart. The creationists have won on sheer ignorance that anything like that can be done.
Okay, when I think of Moses, I think of the guy that parted the Red Sea. And when he parts the Red Sea, he just moseys over to the other side. Or Moses parted the Red Sea so Noah could put his Ark in the water.
How you can say that the Earth is bigger than the Sun: Just compare planets to stars and say that the equivalent of size to the Sun as a star for a planet is a planet that is a little smaller than the Earth. That makes the Earth bigger.
Our "innocence" is "equal" to our "evil" because of the fact that we are all innocently induced. God did harden the hearts of the Egyptians I think, but they can deserve it from where they stood.
@MulattoZygote Agree. Albeit I would not pin imagination (I prefer fiction or narrative) against reality. We, as individuals and cultures, create our own narratives that do indeed serve as, and to inform, our reality. What is reality but the narrative that we live by, choose to live by, and that narrative is often a fiction! Many have written on this topic.
Yes, perception becomes our reality and any narrative can become our truth. It may go through the stages of plausible to possible to probable to absolute for us based on our own proving and/or personal experience. We are free to believe anything and the fact that others disbelieve it doesn't make it untrue or vice versa.
Furthermore, Yahweh, as a deity crafted for the needs of a specific ancient culture and thus representing and legitimating its values, worldviews, and beliefs. He is a far cry from "the god of America" who is invoked as a champion of the values, worldviews, and cultural beliefs and morals of America. Yahweh and his values as scripted by his priestly scribes stands outside of and even opposed to the values and worldviews embedded in our 'god of America.' The 10 commandments just touch the surface
The "god of america" is often, in reality, the one that has written on it "In god we trust".
Each faction of christianity today may have created a "god" in their image ... an image they individually and/or collectively need him to be. The arranging of a selection of verses from their bible version of choice, each version with their own deviation from the truest transliteration from Hebrew, to substantiate their belief. Is this conspiracy or theory? Yes :)
In response to your initial questions, No is in line. One could go further, and there is both literary (the Bible) and historical support for this claim. Yahweh, a god who shares affinities with Dagon, Chemosh, Baal, and Marduk, is a deity crafted, indeed created, to suit the political and religious needs of the priestly writers of Exodus 20-23, as they saw fit. Most of these commandments reflect ancient Near Eastern culture (see laws of Hammurabi, given to him by the god Marduk).
These ten commandments are a logical order of an omnipotent, omnipresent, Creator protecting this order and His people. First directing us to know who He is, as eternal and exclusive. To preserve this order by not creating idols, and not desolating His Name (character). Appointing a unified time of rest in/with Him on every 7th day. Respecting our human origin. Not murder, adulter, thieve, bear falseness or covet in love and preservation for ourselves and others.
@freeindeed2u I'm not sure what you're replying to from my post, and a bit surprised at your un-biblical response considering many of your more intelligent responses elsewhere. First, theological ideas such as 'omnipotent' and 'omnipresent' are later theological categories used by later church fathers to demythologize and de-anthropologize Yahweh. Such ideas are foreign to the biblical writers themselves, especially Exodus -- just read it. Second, the 10 commandments are of scribes
My comments were to the nature of YHWH in the Scriptures and the logic of His designing commands to protect His order and His people. The 10 commands are a logical response to support the survival of this creation.
The fact that other "gods" or cultures have tried to emulate this pattern is understandable regardless of who penned what and when and where we think was the original source of these words. All YaH's commands have purpose and are fully understood upon deeper study.
@freeindeed2u Poor response. This has NOTHING to do with the text. It is theology. 2nd these are cultural codes found in earlier works (Hammurabi, Summerian Nuntura, Assyrian & Hittite), from which the biblical scribes modeled their laws on. 3rd your understanding of these laws as ordered and logical are out of their original 8th c. bc context. Leave biblical comments for the scholars, or do some serious reading
@freeindeed2u Whahhhh? "The fact that other "gods" or cultures have tried to emulate this pattern is understandable regardless of who penned what and when..." So the fact that other cultures 1,000's of years earlier penned these laws, and cultures 1,000's of miles away that had no contact with the Middle East, matters not to you. Is that because your god loaned his time machine to the missionaries so even if the other peoples got other things wrong, they'd at least get 3 right.
@Tonestone420 ABOUT ME: " I am a member of the Westboro Baptist Church. I believe in Christ and his wraith. I do not support Homosexuality. In fact I hate fags. If you don't like it. Tough. It's called free speech"
Seems like he's portrayed your theology accurately.
@NonStampCollector 2+2=5 (1) (1)+(1) (2)=5 Okay, this shows us that there are 4 pieces total, but one of the pieces represents two in quantity. That is how we get five.
@Tonestone420 As someone who has both read the bible and been a fan of NSC's videos for quite some time, I can tell you that I have never heard him misquote the bible, or relay any biblical event in any way other than how it is reported therein. You cannot accuse him of twisting anything. If you don't like your faith exactly as it is then maybe it's time to consider a change.
@Tonestone420 ROFL! The beautiful concepts of mass genocide and torture and rape and murder...ohh how could anyone twists those beautiful testaments in the bible.
Unfortunately Christianity is "just a concept" ... one presented with some Scriptural truth mixed with, and founded on, much pagan falseness. Most of the over 38 THOUSAND Christian denominations are divided but do agree with "having" the 10 commands but most do not understand nor promote the literal following of them. This is why the world rightly sees this pretense as hypocrisy. The "10" should be the basis of our laws and morals but sadly are not. NCS helps to expose this.
These ten commandments are a logical order of an omnipotent, omnipresent, Creator protecting this order and His people. First directing us to know who He is, as eternal and exclusive. To preserve this order by not creating idols, and not desolating His Name (character). Appointing a unified time of rest in/with Him on every 7th day. Respecting our human origin. Not murder, adulter, thieve, bear falseness or covet in love and preservation for ourselves and others.
@Tonestone420 the "concept" is only beautiful to you, when you negate that which is atrocious about such, and simply focus on that which gives you a semblance of peace, at the expense of truth. "not one jot or tittle shall be undone " , saith your God, yet you disingenuously cherry pick that which gives you comfort, reason, purpose. Oblivious to your own hypocrisy, you find peace in the lie. I was a Christian, until I found truth.
@blackpanther77777 Well said. It is obvious to anyone who evaluates the entire bible that the sheep are handed only specific instructions which they diligently follow. There are no sermons about the contradictory and repulsive words from god. Our clergy edits out the distasteful verses. To cement the cherry-picked comments, they are further told to not question or challenge the words, but accept them entirely on faith. Why is this not a red flag to anyone seeking the truth?
@Tonestone420 I know it's imbarrassing to hear the words of the bible, but the words and concepts represented here are accurate representations. Please identify how the beautiful concepts are twisted. These words are reported to be the perfect words of god. I'm sorry that you dont like god's words. In Sunday School, CCD, and daily sermons, you never hear the many strange and repulsive portions of the bible. They repeat the same safe material. These distateful entries are written also. Peace
@Tonestone420 Oh boo hoo. Seriously cry me a river. You have noone to blame but yourself for being a member of such a backward, violent, twisted religion. If it wasnt so utterly full of holes. contradictions, different interpretations, flat out lies and lack of any basis in scientific reality, Nonstamp wouldnt have anything to say would he?
@Tonestone420 And believing in a religion that tells you more than half of the earth's population is going to end up in hell for eternity isn't a foul view of life?
@Tonestone420 Maybe you should read the entire bible. Don't just pick the beautiful parts out of it... I mean, you've accepted that the bible is 100% true if you are a true Christian.
We all like the 100% truth... but some of us are scared of an imaginary hell... or scared that another human being might go to hell... why not let that go?
I would never blame a person for thinking that Christianity is beautiful... It's not your fault.
@Tonestone420 You mean christianity as per the foundational concept of a god killing itself for you so it can pay for crimes you didn't commit because you weren't born or are yet to be born - and if you don't accept this payment you're going to suffer?
If you can point to one single slice of beauty in that it will be a real miracle.
@AntarcticW0LF Well, I'm specifically talking about the "I commanded them to kill people unless they join my church" part. If you read the bible, it teaches that people should be at least somewhat tolerant of other people's religions. The wars fought over religion was mostly because of high up religious "leaders" that wanted power and money. This was also done before the "common" people were allowed/ able to read the book for themselves. This was really the only thing wrong that I notice.
You mean like in Luke 19:27, where this cult leader is quoted as saying "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."? That sounds no better (actually slightly WORSE) than the muslims' sharia law, because they only wanted non-believers TAXED, not KILLED.
And what makes you think you would even KNOW about a "long life of darkness"? Before you were born, were you saying to yourself "Come on, come on, I've got things to do"? Like Mark Twain said "I was dead for millions of years before I was born, and it didn't inconvenience me even a little bit."
The hypocrisy of people wanting the 10 commands but only wanting to apply some of them makes this video plausible (look it up). The reality is if we had absolutely no "law" there would be chaos so we innately follow some consensus of a selective self-serving "law". No murder (so we aren't murdered), no stealing (so we don't lose our stuff) but all the "10" have a higher purpose truly known to the ones who guard them. Love for our Creator and love for others as ourself is realized in these "10".
And these stories can't even keep that much straight; if you read Exodus, there were supposed to be TWO different sets of "ten commandments", and (except for those parts that deal with kissing the ass of this imaginary "god") they are entirely DIFFERENT. So, did "Moses" simply make up his version, did this "god" change his mind, or did they both have Alzheimer's?
@StaceyC123 ~ The complete 10 commands are recorded twice in the Scriptures in Exodus 20:2-17 and in Deuteronomy 5:6-21. Both times with sixteen verses that are almost exact in the original wording.
The lack of knowledge, understanding or belief of these wise words does not negate the immense benefits. Societies trusting in just two of the 10 commands of "No murder" and "No thieve" increase the freedom for all just as all the "10" can do. It's all about the giving and receiving of ..."love".
And you're ignoring the version supposedly written "with the finger" of your imaginary "god" in Exodus 34; which version does your cult think carries more weight, the version that "Moses" claimed was TOLD to him by your imaginary "god", or the version supposedly WRITTEN by your imaginary "god" himself? Don't you find it astounding that"Moses" is supposed to have slaughtered most of his own people immediately after being commanded "thou shalt not kill"?
Firstly, Exodus 34:1-7 is about the re-writing the "10" of Exodus 20. These are written by YHWH (vs.1 & 28).
Vs.8,9 Mosheh then asks for forgiveness of sins (golden calf etc. leading to the breaking of the first tablets).
Vs.10-27 is YHWH's answer is MORE than 10 commands with some EXTRA instructions on ones in the "10", ie. Sabbath in vs.21 & response to the golden calf idol in vs.13-17 PLUS some OTHER commands not in the original "10". These are written by Mosheh (vs.27).
That's not what your fairy tales claim, and you know it. This "Moses" character claimed that he went up alone on a mountain to "talk to god" (something I wouldn't believe without evidence in the first place), and that said "god" dictated these "commandments" (which were in common circulation) to him, and "Moses" wrote them down. After seeing the "golden calf", he then has a tantrum, breaks the tablets, and slaughters most of his own people. (cont.)
(cont.) Next, he's supposed to have gone BACK up this mountain with some more blank tablets to "talk to this imaginary "god" (again, all by himself), and this time, this imaginary "god" is supposed to have written the 10 commandments (which, except for the parts about kissing his ass are completely DIFFERENT) with his own finger. That means that either "Moses" or this imaginary "god" had Alzheimers, forgot most of the original 10, changed their minds, or LIED.
@StaceyC123 One minor correction. While God says he will write it with his finger, he never does. The Bible even says it explicitly. He tells Moses to write it instead as God dictates. So the God character in this fictional story even lied to Moses telling him he'd do something, then immediately doing something completely different and contrary.
The first time, YHWH spoke the 10 commands (Exodus 20:1) AND wrote them (Exodus 31:18). Confirmed again in Deuteronomy 9:9-21.
What was dictated was more than 10 extra commands (Exodus 34:10-27) but in Exodus 34:1 YHWH states He will write the 10 commands and verse 28 states He does ...
"And he (Mosheh) was there with YHWH forty days and forty nights. ... And HE (YHWH) wrote on the tablets the Words of the covenant, the Ten Words."
The evidence is in the Scriptures of Mosheh on the mountain with YHWH (Exodus 24:12, 31:18). It does not state that Mosheh murdered anyone but people were killed.
In Exodus 34, Mosheh is back on the mountain as it clearly states YHWH will write what was on the 1st tablets (vs.1) and He wrote the original 10 commands (vs.28). At the same meeting more was re-stated that alone was much more than 10 commands (vs.10-27). It's much easier to comprehend with the true account.
@freeindeed2u Actually that's not what the Bible says at all. In Exodus 20 you get 10 commands from God. They are never written on tablets, but spoken aloud by Moses and God. Later Moses went up to get the 10 Commandments, and when he came down with them (before you learn what is on them) Moses shatters them. He orders those who follow the Lord to rally to him (the Levites) and tells them that the Lord wants them to strap on a sword and KILL THE REST.
The first time, YHWH spoke the 10 commands (Exodus 20:1) AND wrote them (Exodus 31:18). Confirmed again in Deuteronomy 9:9-21.
What was dictated was the more than 10 extra commands (Exodus 34:10-27) but in Exodus 34:1 YHWH states He will write the 10 commands and verse 28 states He does ...
"And he (Mosheh) was there with YHWH forty days and forty nights. ... And HE (YHWH) wrote on the tablets the Words of the covenant, the Ten Words."
Talk about "changing context"; the "he" in Exodus 34:1 is referring to this "Moses" character, not your imaginary "god"; you still haven't explained WHICH of the differing versions of these "ten commandments" your cult is expected to follow, the ones which "Moses" said that your imaginary "god" dictated to him, or the ones that your imaginary "god" is supposed to have written himself, because they don't agree with each other.
So what makes it different from any OTHER fictional character, like Spiderman? The only real difference that I can see is that there isn't a cult devoted to worshipping Spiderman, or to attempting to force their delusions on everyone else.
@StaceyC123 How do you know that the other God's are necessarily equally viable? The equality default is made-up, and you really don't know if me saying that this Yahweh character being the one true God is incorrect. You can say that I don't know, but how do you know that I don't know. That would be an assertion. I might accept there being a God that doesn't fit the bible anyways.
Which is part of my poijnt; in EVERY other question of "existence" vs. "non-existence" the default position is "non-existence" until some sort of actual evidence is offered. That holds true for every "god" (including the Abrahamic "god") as much as it does for unicorns, leprechauns, and any other fictional character you'd care to name.
That is exactly what science does; religion, OTOH, resorts to "explaining" things that it does not understand with "it must be an invisible magic man in the sky", without even proving the existence of said invisible magic man in the sky to begin with.
What gives you the idea that "benevolence" (which you haven't demonstrated) is any sort of evidence for a "god", let alone the particular "god that you prefer to imagine?
That's up to the person making the claim for those gods' "existence" to PROVE, just as it's up to those who make the claim for the existence of the Abrahamic "god" to prove, or up to those who make the claim that unicorns/leprechauns/etc. exist to prove. In all of these cases, the default is disbelief until actual evidence is offered.
@StaceyC123 @StaceyC123 I think I knew that you would resort to naming off other God's. Spiderman doesn't appeal to the creation of the universe. I want to retain my previous point without the strawman attack to you. I have another reply to you below.
@freeindeed2u Again, read the passages in question. In Exodus 20 Moses never came down with stone tablets, and they weren't called "The Ten Commandments". They were spoken aloud by Moses and God to the people.
In Exodus 34:28 it specifically states that "Moses was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant—the Ten Commandments."
Definitely the smartest god I ever came across.
yatter1 1 day ago
I discovered these, and it's like I've been shell shocked... It's like this series filled my brain and everything else I know faded into background. This is somehow super memorable...
ArtypNk 2 days ago
I love your portrayal of God
itsTempleofSound 2 days ago
the choice is yours... believe what you want to believe. in the meantime, the other half of civilization will be praying to YHWH for you. on your behalf. unselfishly. with pure intent. that's 3.5 billion people, there for you, when you open your eyes. oh, just one thing... how do you know what the cake tastes like without even taking a bite?
whether you believe it or not... Jesus loves you. i'll be one of the several billion that will be praying for you. God bless and good luck with
TheClayMichaels 3 days ago
@TheClayMichaels
It has been said that the phrase "I'll pray for you" is just the religious peoples way of saying screw you. While you pray for the poor, we offer welfare, education and aid to help them become self-sufficient. While you pray for the sick, we develop new cures and treatments to ease their suffering. While you set up a nation on ghastly religious edicts and proclamations, we set up a nation on humanist and universal belief in the protection of the individual.
StukovM1g 3 days ago
@StukovM1g
If God gave us a mind, why ask us to close it? If God made us curious about the origins of the universe, why let us be content in our ignorance? If God created the world through evolution, why contradict himself with the revelation of Scripture? I presume you to be a Christian, but it also applies to Islam. You proclaim the inerrancy of the bible, yet state that the New Testament replaces the Old. Does this mean that God changes hi mind and is not Absolute?
StukovM1g 3 days ago
@StukovM1g
Good questions. He created man/woman in His likeness giving us His mind so yes, please let us use it and think. He created a world that evolved from His speaking it into existence and gave us Scripture demonstrating all He does and all we can do. Uh, but what is a christian with their 38 THOUSAND denominations divided in what they believe?
Ah however, the entire original Scriptures are a perfect contiuum with the only changes being in man's understanding and/or transliterations.
BaqashEmeth 2 days ago
@TheClayMichaels If there is no evidence the cake exists, how is it possible to taste it? It's not.
kablamo9999 3 days ago
@TheClayMichaels
may your brain reboot itself to save your mind from obvious bullshit.
Kjernekar 3 days ago
@TheClayMichaels I hope you know there's 1,000 other versions of your religion with members all "praying for you" to find them, along with 1,000 other religions. I'm sure there are Muslims praying for you to stop worshiping false a false prophet, and Hindus chuckling that you're worshiping one of Shiva's avatars. The problem is that all these versions of all these religions are equally lacking in any good reason to believe them.
But you know what they say; "You pray for me, I'll think for you."
Flyborg 2 days ago
iTablet is the new iPad. Or old iPad I guess.
evejunkie1942 3 days ago
Religion originates from you, the people. do a little bit of research and maybe you'll understand. also cam someone answer me this question: where do people who have never heard of Jesus, God and so forth go afyer they die? and also where do all the cavemen go after they die?(that one was for non-creationists) and also is there a limbo, is it described in the bible? Thank you and good night.
philphy101 1 week ago
There are actually 216 commandments... Just saying...
pwndevil 1 week ago
@pwndevil 613
robvlob 6 days ago
god is a myth the BUYBULL is a fairytale.
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pendragon186 1 week ago 11
@pendragon186 in israel the emergency services work on the sabbath without any of the religious people caring about that. in fact, there are religious people who work on the sabbath as paramedics and doctors.
although, there are tons of other problems with religion & health issues in israel. like some jews who refuse to donate organs if it'll go to a non-jewish patient.or arabs who jail family members with mental problems because it's a disgrace for their family.
kidi1232 6 days ago
@kidi1232 sounds like a load of irony on their part but whatever they can choose to bend rules however they see fit.As long as they don't refuse an emergency patient all they have to explain to is their own religion.
pendragon186 6 days ago
@pendragon186
Firstly, the Sabbath is the on the 7th day so "sunday" is a work day according to the Scriptures (Exodus 20:8-11) and most "christians" don't observe the true Sabbath anyway.
Secondly, the true Messiah healed on the Sabbath and we read in Mark 3:4 ... And He said to them, "Is it right to do good on the Sabbath, or to do evil, to save life or to kill?” But they remained silent.
Silent .... a good idea because as He also says "You err not knowing the Scriptures". (Matt 22:28).
BaqashEmeth 2 days ago
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pendragon186 2 days ago
@steakman1989 i see what he did there, the apple tablet, now in sandstone
theflea1123 1 week ago
Ahhh loop-holes what would i do without you
gillylikesbikes 1 week ago
God's an Aussie?!
kaarenee26 1 week ago 6
you cant worship something besides me, unless you want to
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I'll adress to the biblical point of view. this video is presenting God as giving the law to the people but the people cannot obey the law because it prevents things such as progress and freedom to do whatever they like and that is exactly the point, God knew we will not be able to follow his rules flawlessly. his intentions of giving the ten commandments is clear:
Dkundzinsh 1 week ago
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Obviously, the law applies to those to whom it was given, for its purpose is to keep people from having excuses, and to show that the entire world is guilty before God. Romans 3:19 NLT
For no one can ever be made right with God by doing what the law commands. The law simply shows us how sinful we are. Romans 3:20 NLT
This video just shows how ignorant in scripture knowledge the creators of this cartoon are.
Dkundzinsh 1 week ago
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Dkundzinsh 1 week ago
I love seeing people getting owned in the comments
xXMARCUS4LIFEXx 1 week ago
I like the Apple Logo on the tablet.
steakman1989 1 week ago 19
@steakman1989 That's probably why the commandments are so full of shit.
marcelventer 4 days ago
In spite of the bible we have laws against slavery, laws for equality for women, laws for the ethical treatment of animals, etc. Do we really need a bible telling us that killing is wrong? Stealing, cheating on ones partner, lying are all wrong just because the bible says so? Bullshit.
MrDookieBootie 1 week ago
The vid is 9:11 long and criticizing the ten commandments spooky
hitchhikersgidetoass 1 week ago
most christians when asked ,cannot name the ten c,s ,yet their sense of morality is based on them???? great vid
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nath63339 1 week ago
@nath63339 Jesus said you should keep all of Jewish law - Matthew 5:17-20
seleucid23 1 week ago
@nath63339 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. - Matthew 5:17-18.
Might want to take your own advice...context after all is everything
Spiderpope 1 week ago
@nath63339 Jesus abolish the old law? I think you need to read your bible - seems you are forgetting some things.
csadler 1 week ago
imagine no religion.. think about this, in the last 500 years, name 1 positive impact, religion ( as a whole) has had on humanity.. and compare that to science and reason. it's not even a contest. , and yet religionist fight science and progress every step of the way. , lest their precious holy book be proven inaccurate .. well they are , and its a shame we still have billions that believe and defend them , even to death, thx for the vid..
yosef59 1 week ago
Yes, the Ten Commandments REALLY are responsible for the laws and morality of literally millions today who agree to guard all (10 out of 10) these commands as they are written.
Changing these laws to reflect the ones we hold on to might be like removing all speed limits because most actually speed. The fact that "christians" do not adopt all of the 10 commands or just want to see them displayed without living by them only shows a theological hypocrisy that by no way devalues any commands.
BaqashEmeth 2 weeks ago
@BaqashEmeth Sorry sonny, but the reason we have morals is that we are social animals whose behavior exhibits evolutionary adaptations that favor the good of the social construct. Crediting any of it to your imaginary friend is just wishful and childish thinking.
And calling the first three, which are ugly exhibitions of jealousy, moral is dysfunctional at best.
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@BaqashEmeth Sorry sonny, but the reason we have morals is that we are social animals whose behavior exhibits evolutionary adaptations that favor the good of the social construct. Crediting any of it to your imaginary friend is just wishful and childish thinking.
And calling the first three, which are ugly exhibitions of jealousy, moral is dysfunctional at best.
moopism 2 weeks ago
@BaqashEmeth This video was not in particular discussing the values of the 10 Comm.'s. It was indicating how claims that Western civ. is based on these 10 is hooey. Most of the 10 C's are ignored, rightfully so, because they haven't been relevant for 1,000's of years. The 3 laws that every culture anywhere follows, were relevant 1,000, 10,000 years ago, and are still today. They have nothing to do with a monotheistic god, and his/her 10 C's.
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"The 3 laws that every culture anywhere follows, were relevant 1,000, 10,000 years ago, and are still today. "
Christians claim all those cultures follow those 3 because of the 10 Commandments. Stupid I know.
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Answering NSC's question with the fact that millions (yes, and in the "western world") actually live by these 10 being very relevant as the basis of their morality and laws. Many agree to: rest every 7th day (prevents burn-out), honour their parents, not murder, not thieve, not adulter, not covet, not bear falseness. These 7 contribute to a healthier society. And atheists do better than "christians" with the commands of not having/bowing down to "idols" or desolating YHWH's Name.
BaqashEmeth 1 week ago
@BaqashEmeth In other words, 'no other gods before me' only applies if you have a god, but not having a god is even more moral?
Ok, I'll give you that one.
moopism 1 week ago
@BaqashEmeth No. veggiecrub is correct here. Our social, moral, political, and yes religious values are not built on the 10 commandments. Just look at the values and worldview of this culture. In fact I would argue that western culture is built on ancient Greek values, not those of ancient Judaism. The empirical evidence would bear this out. Thus the viable question is why and how have/do the 10 c still exert themselves and in which way --- purely linguistical I would claim
stevendimattei 1 week ago
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Really? Then why the "moral" fuss when a president is caught in adultery? Or the federal laws against murder, purgery or stealing (which begins with coveting)? And the political fervor against muslims in their god & religion? Or the t.v. "bleeping" the name, "jesus christ" if perceived as in vain. Even honouring parents means not striking them (Exodus 21:15) punishable as assault in our laws today. That's 7,8 or 9 of 10 are somewhat relevant to all and still 10 of 10 to others.
BaqashEmeth 1 week ago
golden!
Marty88McFly1 2 weeks ago
lol, ITablet
lucashira337 2 weeks ago
bahaha legendary
lols9173 2 weeks ago
Amongst all the massive youtube debates I'd just like to make a quick observation...
his tablet is made by apple teehee :3
TheAlfiew 2 weeks ago
Crimsonification! If you cant say something nice DONT FUCKING SAY IT AT ALL!!!
samuelgoldthorpe99 2 weeks ago
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01cassi 2 weeks ago
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Yes, the Torah (teachings, commands and law) do provide freedom both then and now as we read in Ya'aqob (james) 1:25 & 2:12. Without them there would be chaos and none of us would truly be free. Just imagine no law for murder, for example ... we would all be less free knowing we could be murdered at anytime.
This is similar for all the ten commands but most "bible colleges" do not teach them as written but support the changing of the 3rd & 4th command.of His Name & Sabbath.
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01cassi 2 weeks ago
@01cassi, Bibblit College? Really? Eat a turd sammich and choke on iy, you fucking moron. Your Bibblit condones slavery, even though most rational people (including religious dipshits like you) know it's immoral. Fuck, there's even "rules and regs" to explain how to make a slave a wife by raping her. Shut the fuck up and fuck the hell off, cunt.
TheCrimsonification 2 weeks ago
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Even most so called "bible colleges", with all their twisted theologies, might be able to tell you that the true Messiah (who was never named "jesus" [hey-zeus]) didn't give the new command that you quoted as it is first quoted in Deuteronomy 6:5 & Leviticus 19:18.
The true Messiah did not come to change the commands one bit and says that if anyone teaches this is called least in the Kingdom (Matt 5:17-20). These are the ones the TRUE Messiah NEVER knew. (Matt 7:21-23)
freeindeed2u 2 weeks ago
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01cassi 2 weeks ago
Moses had an I-slab :L
miniflek 2 weeks ago
I wan't you petrified, ignorant and violent! LOL!
emancoy 2 weeks ago
"The shit I get away with". hahahha love that
MockingVenus 2 weeks ago
@DevoutAchristian That is in our Constitution.
MrSaxman321 2 weeks ago
@DevoutAchristian You shall not murder!
MrSaxman321 2 weeks ago
So an interesting fact is that the first Commandment directly violates the First Amendment freedom of religion. The commandment against taking the lord's name in vain is a violation of the First Amendment freedom of speech.
DevoutAchristian 2 weeks ago
Of course things are irreducibly complex if you don't take that thing that you are looking at apart. The creationists have won on sheer ignorance that anything like that can be done.
MulattoZygote 2 weeks ago
Okay, when I think of Moses, I think of the guy that parted the Red Sea. And when he parts the Red Sea, he just moseys over to the other side. Or Moses parted the Red Sea so Noah could put his Ark in the water.
MulattoZygote 2 weeks ago
How you can say that the Earth is bigger than the Sun: Just compare planets to stars and say that the equivalent of size to the Sun as a star for a planet is a planet that is a little smaller than the Earth. That makes the Earth bigger.
MulattoZygote 2 weeks ago
Our "innocence" is "equal" to our "evil" because of the fact that we are all innocently induced. God did harden the hearts of the Egyptians I think, but they can deserve it from where they stood.
MulattoZygote 2 weeks ago
lol Moses is writing on a iTablet.
uxtalzon 2 weeks ago
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Rape doesn't exist, and neither does sex for that matter, because the guy can't touch the girl atomically. That is how the Virgin Mary had a baby.
MulattoZygote 2 weeks ago
servants = slaves
MatoVuc 2 weeks ago
Brilliant. Such a mastery of reductio ad absurdum. You'll have Sam Harris and Neil Tyson tweeting this one as well.
dstachon2002 2 weeks ago
Even if a person says that it is entirely in my imagination, God could be real. Imagination has it's own entirety as does reality.
MulattoZygote 2 weeks ago
@MulattoZygote Agree. Albeit I would not pin imagination (I prefer fiction or narrative) against reality. We, as individuals and cultures, create our own narratives that do indeed serve as, and to inform, our reality. What is reality but the narrative that we live by, choose to live by, and that narrative is often a fiction! Many have written on this topic.
stevendimattei 2 weeks ago
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Yes, perception becomes our reality and any narrative can become our truth. It may go through the stages of plausible to possible to probable to absolute for us based on our own proving and/or personal experience. We are free to believe anything and the fact that others disbelieve it doesn't make it untrue or vice versa.
freeindeed2u 2 weeks ago
@freeindeed2u "We are free to believe anything and the fact that others disbelieve it doesn't make it untrue or vice versa. "
As the man once said,
You are free to your own opinions; you are not free to create your own facts.
moopism 2 weeks ago
Furthermore, Yahweh, as a deity crafted for the needs of a specific ancient culture and thus representing and legitimating its values, worldviews, and beliefs. He is a far cry from "the god of America" who is invoked as a champion of the values, worldviews, and cultural beliefs and morals of America. Yahweh and his values as scripted by his priestly scribes stands outside of and even opposed to the values and worldviews embedded in our 'god of America.' The 10 commandments just touch the surface
stevendimattei 2 weeks ago
@stevendimattei
The "god of america" is often, in reality, the one that has written on it "In god we trust".
Each faction of christianity today may have created a "god" in their image ... an image they individually and/or collectively need him to be. The arranging of a selection of verses from their bible version of choice, each version with their own deviation from the truest transliteration from Hebrew, to substantiate their belief. Is this conspiracy or theory? Yes :)
freeindeed2u 2 weeks ago
In response to your initial questions, No is in line. One could go further, and there is both literary (the Bible) and historical support for this claim. Yahweh, a god who shares affinities with Dagon, Chemosh, Baal, and Marduk, is a deity crafted, indeed created, to suit the political and religious needs of the priestly writers of Exodus 20-23, as they saw fit. Most of these commandments reflect ancient Near Eastern culture (see laws of Hammurabi, given to him by the god Marduk).
stevendimattei 2 weeks ago
@stevendimattei
These ten commandments are a logical order of an omnipotent, omnipresent, Creator protecting this order and His people. First directing us to know who He is, as eternal and exclusive. To preserve this order by not creating idols, and not desolating His Name (character). Appointing a unified time of rest in/with Him on every 7th day. Respecting our human origin. Not murder, adulter, thieve, bear falseness or covet in love and preservation for ourselves and others.
freeindeed2u 2 weeks ago
@freeindeed2u I'm not sure what you're replying to from my post, and a bit surprised at your un-biblical response considering many of your more intelligent responses elsewhere. First, theological ideas such as 'omnipotent' and 'omnipresent' are later theological categories used by later church fathers to demythologize and de-anthropologize Yahweh. Such ideas are foreign to the biblical writers themselves, especially Exodus -- just read it. Second, the 10 commandments are of scribes
stevendimattei 2 weeks ago
@stevendimattei
My comments were to the nature of YHWH in the Scriptures and the logic of His designing commands to protect His order and His people. The 10 commands are a logical response to support the survival of this creation.
The fact that other "gods" or cultures have tried to emulate this pattern is understandable regardless of who penned what and when and where we think was the original source of these words. All YaH's commands have purpose and are fully understood upon deeper study.
freeindeed2u 2 weeks ago
@freeindeed2u Poor response. This has NOTHING to do with the text. It is theology. 2nd these are cultural codes found in earlier works (Hammurabi, Summerian Nuntura, Assyrian & Hittite), from which the biblical scribes modeled their laws on. 3rd your understanding of these laws as ordered and logical are out of their original 8th c. bc context. Leave biblical comments for the scholars, or do some serious reading
stevendimattei 2 weeks ago
@freeindeed2u Whahhhh? "The fact that other "gods" or cultures have tried to emulate this pattern is understandable regardless of who penned what and when..." So the fact that other cultures 1,000's of years earlier penned these laws, and cultures 1,000's of miles away that had no contact with the Middle East, matters not to you. Is that because your god loaned his time machine to the missionaries so even if the other peoples got other things wrong, they'd at least get 3 right.
veggiescrub 2 weeks ago
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imjustpassinthru 2 weeks ago
Moses has an iStone! :D
Rex0142king 2 weeks ago
i love when youtube atheists make god cry, its pure gold.
NinaTWxx 2 weeks ago
LOL ! 3 laws safe! : I Robot
TheCompany0fwolves 2 weeks ago
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I hate how Nonstampcollector twists the beautiful concept of Christianity into his foul view of life... Pathetic
Tonestone420 3 weeks ago
@Tonestone420 ABOUT ME: " I am a member of the Westboro Baptist Church. I believe in Christ and his wraith. I do not support Homosexuality. In fact I hate fags. If you don't like it. Tough. It's called free speech"
Seems like he's portrayed your theology accurately.
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Lol, wraith means apparition.
tifforo1 2 weeks ago
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@tifforo1 "Lol, wraith means apparition."
it's just amusing on way too many levels.
moopism 2 weeks ago
@Tonestone420 Twisted - using nothing but (heavily referenced) bible verses.
NonStampCollector 2 weeks ago 16
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@NonStampCollector 2+2=5 (1) (1)+(1) (2)=5 Okay, this shows us that there are 4 pieces total, but one of the pieces represents two in quantity. That is how we get five.
MulattoZygote 2 weeks ago
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"(1) (1)+(1) (2)=5 Okay, this shows us that there are 4 pieces total, but one of the pieces represents two in quantity"
I had to double take at this stupidity. That actually equals 3, and it's not "4 pieces", it's one piece on time, and two pieces one time, e.g. 3.
Are you trolling or stupid?
Kloborgg 2 weeks ago
@Tonestone420 As someone who has both read the bible and been a fan of NSC's videos for quite some time, I can tell you that I have never heard him misquote the bible, or relay any biblical event in any way other than how it is reported therein. You cannot accuse him of twisting anything. If you don't like your faith exactly as it is then maybe it's time to consider a change.
JapaneseStudentSan 2 weeks ago
@Tonestone420 I thought it was funny.
malaca777 2 weeks ago
@Tonestone420 ROFL! The beautiful concepts of mass genocide and torture and rape and murder...ohh how could anyone twists those beautiful testaments in the bible.
mysticjbyrd 2 weeks ago
@Tonestone420
Unfortunately Christianity is "just a concept" ... one presented with some Scriptural truth mixed with, and founded on, much pagan falseness. Most of the over 38 THOUSAND Christian denominations are divided but do agree with "having" the 10 commands but most do not understand nor promote the literal following of them. This is why the world rightly sees this pretense as hypocrisy. The "10" should be the basis of our laws and morals but sadly are not. NCS helps to expose this.
freeindeed2u 2 weeks ago
@freeindeed2u You honestly think that the ten commandments should be the basis for our laws? Really?
Dude are you high?
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These ten commandments are a logical order of an omnipotent, omnipresent, Creator protecting this order and His people. First directing us to know who He is, as eternal and exclusive. To preserve this order by not creating idols, and not desolating His Name (character). Appointing a unified time of rest in/with Him on every 7th day. Respecting our human origin. Not murder, adulter, thieve, bear falseness or covet in love and preservation for ourselves and others.
freeindeed2u 2 weeks ago
@Tonestone420 Beautiful? oh look, another christian who didn't read the bible.
alexandervlad 2 weeks ago
@Tonestone420 Christianity was already pretty foul to begin with.
Stonegolem42 2 weeks ago
@Tonestone420 @NonStampCollector doesnt twist anything, he quotes the bible exactly... so maybe its Christianity thats foul. funny that! :)
NinaTWxx 2 weeks ago
@Tonestone420 the "concept" is only beautiful to you, when you negate that which is atrocious about such, and simply focus on that which gives you a semblance of peace, at the expense of truth. "not one jot or tittle shall be undone " , saith your God, yet you disingenuously cherry pick that which gives you comfort, reason, purpose. Oblivious to your own hypocrisy, you find peace in the lie. I was a Christian, until I found truth.
blackpanther77777 2 weeks ago in playlist More videos from NonStampCollector
@blackpanther77777 Well said. It is obvious to anyone who evaluates the entire bible that the sheep are handed only specific instructions which they diligently follow. There are no sermons about the contradictory and repulsive words from god. Our clergy edits out the distasteful verses. To cement the cherry-picked comments, they are further told to not question or challenge the words, but accept them entirely on faith. Why is this not a red flag to anyone seeking the truth?
pardh1961 2 weeks ago
@Tonestone420 Honestly, it doesn't take much "twisting" to reveal Christianity's true nature.
mandrellian 2 weeks ago
@Tonestone420 I know it's imbarrassing to hear the words of the bible, but the words and concepts represented here are accurate representations. Please identify how the beautiful concepts are twisted. These words are reported to be the perfect words of god. I'm sorry that you dont like god's words. In Sunday School, CCD, and daily sermons, you never hear the many strange and repulsive portions of the bible. They repeat the same safe material. These distateful entries are written also. Peace
pardh1961 2 weeks ago
@Tonestone420 Oh boo hoo. Seriously cry me a river. You have noone to blame but yourself for being a member of such a backward, violent, twisted religion. If it wasnt so utterly full of holes. contradictions, different interpretations, flat out lies and lack of any basis in scientific reality, Nonstamp wouldnt have anything to say would he?
mucephi1 2 weeks ago
@Tonestone420 And believing in a religion that tells you more than half of the earth's population is going to end up in hell for eternity isn't a foul view of life?
Ingmatter 2 weeks ago
@Tonestone420 what twist? Christianity as a whole is exactly like that, and you believe in that nonsense...
MagnusNyborg 2 weeks ago
@Tonestone420 Maybe you should read the entire bible. Don't just pick the beautiful parts out of it... I mean, you've accepted that the bible is 100% true if you are a true Christian.
We all like the 100% truth... but some of us are scared of an imaginary hell... or scared that another human being might go to hell... why not let that go?
I would never blame a person for thinking that Christianity is beautiful... It's not your fault.
I realized this, and I freed myself.
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@Tonestone420
"I hate how Nonstampcollector twists the beautiful concept of Christianity into his foul view of life... Pathetic"
He backed up every single related statement with a quote from the bible. Now you can finally see the religion for what it truly is. Twisted.
1MadVirus1 2 weeks ago
@Tonestone420 You mean christianity as per the foundational concept of a god killing itself for you so it can pay for crimes you didn't commit because you weren't born or are yet to be born - and if you don't accept this payment you're going to suffer?
If you can point to one single slice of beauty in that it will be a real miracle.
FalseBarber 2 weeks ago
I absolutely love how many facts, whether they're trying to make a joke or not, they get wrong.
TheUnitedFreedoms 3 weeks ago
@TheUnitedFreedoms Which 1 is wrong and which reliable sources do you have to prove its wrong?
AntarcticW0LF 3 weeks ago
@AntarcticW0LF Well, I'm specifically talking about the "I commanded them to kill people unless they join my church" part. If you read the bible, it teaches that people should be at least somewhat tolerant of other people's religions. The wars fought over religion was mostly because of high up religious "leaders" that wanted power and money. This was also done before the "common" people were allowed/ able to read the book for themselves. This was really the only thing wrong that I notice.
TheUnitedFreedoms 3 weeks ago
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You mean like in Luke 19:27, where this cult leader is quoted as saying "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."? That sounds no better (actually slightly WORSE) than the muslims' sharia law, because they only wanted non-believers TAXED, not KILLED.
StaceyC123 3 weeks ago
@TheUnitedFreedoms Thats a very fragile statement that you need more facts on etc.
AntarcticW0LF 3 weeks ago
Lol at the apple logo on the stone commandment
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@wattadoin OMG WIN
AutoTerminator 3 weeks ago
Lol made my day
boredisTimmybear 3 weeks ago
Jujubemh316, hay buddy may I ask what religion you are in? PTB
FullyHSickness 3 weeks ago
This video is lies.
emielbressington 3 weeks ago
@emielbressington How?
Kain5th 3 weeks ago
I just hope there is a heaven, I don't want there to be a long life of darkness
Davidiotify 3 weeks ago
@Davidiotify
And what makes you think you would even KNOW about a "long life of darkness"? Before you were born, were you saying to yourself "Come on, come on, I've got things to do"? Like Mark Twain said "I was dead for millions of years before I was born, and it didn't inconvenience me even a little bit."
StaceyC123 3 weeks ago
@Davidiotify Better a long life of darkness for all than an eternity of torment for most and an eternity of constant singing for few.
DevoutAchristian 2 weeks ago
The hypocrisy of people wanting the 10 commands but only wanting to apply some of them makes this video plausible (look it up). The reality is if we had absolutely no "law" there would be chaos so we innately follow some consensus of a selective self-serving "law". No murder (so we aren't murdered), no stealing (so we don't lose our stuff) but all the "10" have a higher purpose truly known to the ones who guard them. Love for our Creator and love for others as ourself is realized in these "10".
freeindeed2u 3 weeks ago
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And these stories can't even keep that much straight; if you read Exodus, there were supposed to be TWO different sets of "ten commandments", and (except for those parts that deal with kissing the ass of this imaginary "god") they are entirely DIFFERENT. So, did "Moses" simply make up his version, did this "god" change his mind, or did they both have Alzheimer's?
StaceyC123 3 weeks ago
@StaceyC123 ~ The complete 10 commands are recorded twice in the Scriptures in Exodus 20:2-17 and in Deuteronomy 5:6-21. Both times with sixteen verses that are almost exact in the original wording.
The lack of knowledge, understanding or belief of these wise words does not negate the immense benefits. Societies trusting in just two of the 10 commands of "No murder" and "No thieve" increase the freedom for all just as all the "10" can do. It's all about the giving and receiving of ..."love".
freeindeed2u 3 weeks ago
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And you're ignoring the version supposedly written "with the finger" of your imaginary "god" in Exodus 34; which version does your cult think carries more weight, the version that "Moses" claimed was TOLD to him by your imaginary "god", or the version supposedly WRITTEN by your imaginary "god" himself? Don't you find it astounding that"Moses" is supposed to have slaughtered most of his own people immediately after being commanded "thou shalt not kill"?
StaceyC123 3 weeks ago
@StaceyC123
Firstly, Exodus 34:1-7 is about the re-writing the "10" of Exodus 20. These are written by YHWH (vs.1 & 28).
Vs.8,9 Mosheh then asks for forgiveness of sins (golden calf etc. leading to the breaking of the first tablets).
Vs.10-27 is YHWH's answer is MORE than 10 commands with some EXTRA instructions on ones in the "10", ie. Sabbath in vs.21 & response to the golden calf idol in vs.13-17 PLUS some OTHER commands not in the original "10". These are written by Mosheh (vs.27).
freeindeed2u 3 weeks ago
@freeindeed2u
That's not what your fairy tales claim, and you know it. This "Moses" character claimed that he went up alone on a mountain to "talk to god" (something I wouldn't believe without evidence in the first place), and that said "god" dictated these "commandments" (which were in common circulation) to him, and "Moses" wrote them down. After seeing the "golden calf", he then has a tantrum, breaks the tablets, and slaughters most of his own people. (cont.)
StaceyC123 3 weeks ago
@StaceyC123
(cont.) Next, he's supposed to have gone BACK up this mountain with some more blank tablets to "talk to this imaginary "god" (again, all by himself), and this time, this imaginary "god" is supposed to have written the 10 commandments (which, except for the parts about kissing his ass are completely DIFFERENT) with his own finger. That means that either "Moses" or this imaginary "god" had Alzheimers, forgot most of the original 10, changed their minds, or LIED.
StaceyC123 3 weeks ago
@StaceyC123 One minor correction. While God says he will write it with his finger, he never does. The Bible even says it explicitly. He tells Moses to write it instead as God dictates. So the God character in this fictional story even lied to Moses telling him he'd do something, then immediately doing something completely different and contrary.
KazeKirin 2 weeks ago
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The first time, YHWH spoke the 10 commands (Exodus 20:1) AND wrote them (Exodus 31:18). Confirmed again in Deuteronomy 9:9-21.
What was dictated was more than 10 extra commands (Exodus 34:10-27) but in Exodus 34:1 YHWH states He will write the 10 commands and verse 28 states He does ...
"And he (Mosheh) was there with YHWH forty days and forty nights. ... And HE (YHWH) wrote on the tablets the Words of the covenant, the Ten Words."
Confirmed again in Deuteronomy 10:1-4.
freeindeed2u 2 weeks ago
@StaceyC123
The evidence is in the Scriptures of Mosheh on the mountain with YHWH (Exodus 24:12, 31:18). It does not state that Mosheh murdered anyone but people were killed.
In Exodus 34, Mosheh is back on the mountain as it clearly states YHWH will write what was on the 1st tablets (vs.1) and He wrote the original 10 commands (vs.28). At the same meeting more was re-stated that alone was much more than 10 commands (vs.10-27). It's much easier to comprehend with the true account.
freeindeed2u 3 weeks ago
@freeindeed2u Actually that's not what the Bible says at all. In Exodus 20 you get 10 commands from God. They are never written on tablets, but spoken aloud by Moses and God. Later Moses went up to get the 10 Commandments, and when he came down with them (before you learn what is on them) Moses shatters them. He orders those who follow the Lord to rally to him (the Levites) and tells them that the Lord wants them to strap on a sword and KILL THE REST.
KazeKirin 2 weeks ago
@KazeKirin
The first time, YHWH spoke the 10 commands (Exodus 20:1) AND wrote them (Exodus 31:18). Confirmed again in Deuteronomy 9:9-21.
What was dictated was the more than 10 extra commands (Exodus 34:10-27) but in Exodus 34:1 YHWH states He will write the 10 commands and verse 28 states He does ...
"And he (Mosheh) was there with YHWH forty days and forty nights. ... And HE (YHWH) wrote on the tablets the Words of the covenant, the Ten Words."
Confirmed again in Deuteronomy 10:1-4.
freeindeed2u 2 weeks ago
@freeindeed2u
Talk about "changing context"; the "he" in Exodus 34:1 is referring to this "Moses" character, not your imaginary "god"; you still haven't explained WHICH of the differing versions of these "ten commandments" your cult is expected to follow, the ones which "Moses" said that your imaginary "god" dictated to him, or the ones that your imaginary "god" is supposed to have written himself, because they don't agree with each other.
StaceyC123 2 weeks ago
@StaceyC123 Hey, God can be imaginary and real. We just haven't seen him yet, so we just have our imagination to rely on.
MulattoZygote 2 weeks ago
@MulattoZygote
So what makes it different from any OTHER fictional character, like Spiderman? The only real difference that I can see is that there isn't a cult devoted to worshipping Spiderman, or to attempting to force their delusions on everyone else.
StaceyC123 2 weeks ago
@StaceyC123 Spiderman doesn't appeal to the causality of the universe, does he?
MulattoZygote 2 weeks ago
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@StaceyC123 Spiderman doesn't appeal to the causality of the universe, does he?
MulattoZygote 2 weeks ago
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@StaceyC123 Spiderman doesn't appeal to the causality of the universe, does he?
MulattoZygote 2 weeks ago
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@StaceyC123 Spiderman doesn't appeal to the causality of the universe, does he?
MulattoZygote 2 weeks ago
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@StaceyC123 Spiderman doesn't appeal to the causality of the universe, does he?
MulattoZygote 2 weeks ago
@StaceyC123 Spiderman doesn't appeal to the causality of the universe.
MulattoZygote 2 weeks ago
@StaceyC123 How do you know that the other God's are necessarily equally viable? The equality default is made-up, and you really don't know if me saying that this Yahweh character being the one true God is incorrect. You can say that I don't know, but how do you know that I don't know. That would be an assertion. I might accept there being a God that doesn't fit the bible anyways.
MulattoZygote 2 weeks ago
@MulattoZygote
Which is part of my poijnt; in EVERY other question of "existence" vs. "non-existence" the default position is "non-existence" until some sort of actual evidence is offered. That holds true for every "god" (including the Abrahamic "god") as much as it does for unicorns, leprechauns, and any other fictional character you'd care to name.
StaceyC123 2 weeks ago
@StaceyC123 Ah "default". Can I disorient you for a second? Just look at nature itself on face value and not second guess things about God.
MulattoZygote 2 weeks ago
@MulattoZygote
That is exactly what science does; religion, OTOH, resorts to "explaining" things that it does not understand with "it must be an invisible magic man in the sky", without even proving the existence of said invisible magic man in the sky to begin with.
StaceyC123 2 weeks ago
@StaceyC123 We can see the benevolence, and who says that benevolence is not evidence? That maybe something not to "question".
MulattoZygote 2 weeks ago
@MulattoZygote
What gives you the idea that "benevolence" (which you haven't demonstrated) is any sort of evidence for a "god", let alone the particular "god that you prefer to imagine?
StaceyC123 2 weeks ago
@MulattoZygote
That's up to the person making the claim for those gods' "existence" to PROVE, just as it's up to those who make the claim for the existence of the Abrahamic "god" to prove, or up to those who make the claim that unicorns/leprechauns/etc. exist to prove. In all of these cases, the default is disbelief until actual evidence is offered.
StaceyC123 2 weeks ago
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MulattoZygote 2 weeks ago
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@StaceyC123 @StaceyC123 I think I knew that you would resort to naming off other God's. Spiderman doesn't appeal to the creation of the universe. I want to retain my previous point without the strawman attack to you. I have another reply to you below.
MulattoZygote 2 weeks ago
@freeindeed2u Again, read the passages in question. In Exodus 20 Moses never came down with stone tablets, and they weren't called "The Ten Commandments". They were spoken aloud by Moses and God to the people.
In Exodus 34:28 it specifically states that "Moses was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant—the Ten Commandments."
KazeKirin 2 weeks ago