Stefan Molyneux Interviewed on Mental Self Defense Radio

[OldWhig1688]

Jake Shannon asked some great questions and you gave some great answers, Stef. This is wonderful!

[Seacbeer]

Love this guy

[slickbtk]

Abortion is immoral. However immorality can not be solved by making it illegal. In fact that just adds to immoral actions. If there is a starving kid out side your bakery and you choose to not give him food, that may be immoral but if he dies from starvation you didnt kill him. Similarly it may be immoral for a woman to not allow a needy fetus to live inside here in order to live, but if she doesnt allow that she didnt kill it. Abortion is one of the most immoral actions in existence.

[theherdmentality]

the announcer was right to point out stefan's limited appeal and it's mainly to the nerdy, anti-social white boy crowd. Not a good idea. If anarchism would be the best for the poor and other minorities, why doesn't he do more to include them in this discourse? Is he afraid of real questions that would be raised by people who aren't white, educated and middle-class like him and all his guests??????? Not a word on ayan hirsi ali, wesley snipes' imprisonment for not paying taxes, etc.

[Hashishin13]

@theherdmentality How do you teach complex philosophical ideas to someone who is entirely uneducated? Nothing he says applies only to "nerdy, anti-social white boy crowd" and saying such nonsense is pretty racist. He talks about poor people in at least half his videos specifically and the rest of them apply equally to everyone. He mentions minorities and how they are affected whenever they are relevant, thinking that they are so different from everyone else is prejudiced on your part.

[theherdmentality]

@Hashishin13 stefan makes a point that he's not advocating complex philosophical ideas. his ideas are very straightforward based on the nonviolent principle. It wouldn't take longer than 5 mins to explain to anyone. I didn't say that what he says only applies to the nerdy white boys, but the way he presents his information only appeals to them, his jokes, references, etc. appeals to nerdy white guys like himself, and that's fine, but his ideas are too incredible to be so culturally restricted

[Hashishin13]

@theherdmentality I would recommend against using "incredible" as a positive word it literally means NOT-CREDIBLE. I see your point about rich white people telling black people on welfare that abolishing the state is a great idea. The problem is that those people will lose out in some sense, at least in the short term and arguing someone into giving stuff up is a very uphill battle. Besides black people are like 11% of the population, even fewer on welfare, not a big audience.

[theherdmentality]

@Hashishin13 Poor minorities ARE so very different from everyone else when it comes to the state, and its not prejudiced on my part to point that out. their interactions and dependencies on state agencies is vast and making stef's moral arguments to them is going to take a lot of work and dedication, where I feel he should be focused but isn't. right now its rich educated white anarchists telling poor black single parents that doing away with the state would be great.

[Hashishin13]

@theherdmentality part 2

Those are some interesting subjects, maybe he isn't aware of them? I haven't heard of either of those things, but I don't use the mainstream media much anymore so it doesn't surprise me. I didn't hear about Justin Bieber till like 6 months after he was famous, oh how I wish I never did.

[DonnyHaze91]

hey stef was wondering if single parent families are worse than adoptive parent families.

[Killedkennyagain]

I laughed when he called you a libertarian!

[JennJenification]

I absolutely support the choice of abortion, but thank you, Stef, for thinking of how society can find real solutions to the actual problem, rather than pushing a knee jerk position of stifling a woman's rights or calling it 'murder. That's what most people do and I appreciate that you didn't, and offered real ideas.. Thanks.  : )

[JennJenification]

Hah! 'got Borged'...I love the way you talk Stef...

[Itsik2]

Stefan is our modern day Messiah!!! Stefan for President!!! ;-)

[Killedkennyagain]

@Itsik2 Nice one!

[tml4873]

How can you simultaneously remove the incentive to have multiple babies, while offering $30k to carry a baby to term? You've completely contradicted yourself there. I'm picturing full term babies that didn't "sell" on the open market being discarded like fruit that's gone past it's best before date.

[jeffiek]

@tml4873 "I'm picturing full term babies that didn't "sell" on the open market"

COMPLETE THE SCENARIO. You would also have a world of idiots paying $30K at the same time babies were available for free and women getting pregnant, not for $30K, but for nothing. In short, you have have nothing but a vivid imagination with no connection to reality.

You left out that pesky little detail that price balances supply and demand.

[tml4873]

@jeffiek That "pesky little detail" is present in the fresh produce market, and that doesn't prevent food being discarded. This "balance" you refer to is not magic, it basically works by trial and error; even in an ideal scenario there are periods of under- and over-abundance. When you separate the production and delivery by 9 months, then it becomes even more complicated. Nowhere in my scenario are some people getting babies for free and while others are paying $30k at the same time.

[taxisgay12]

Why don't you talk about eugenics? The right and left have a huge problem.On the right we have anti eugenics and pro-war on the left we have pro eugenics and anti war.The massive contradictions are a fucking disease of the mind in mass numbers.Mass logic has to prevail.

[Watchdawg]

Is there any limit of how much a single person can own in the kind of society you envision?

[stefbot]

@Watchdawg Sure, other people who will not sell to him or her. Or companies that will no insure/protect that property.

[twistedfool420]

Next weekend I'm starting an enormous video spree by watching every 1 of stefans videos starting with the 1st.

Any other recommendations?

[rockstarofredondo]

Truthfully, lots of people find Stef "hoity-toity" even though he's totally not. The problem is that most people are offended & emotional when encountering this information. However, this is a highly needed discussion. I could definitely learn better communication skills. More like this, please!

[tml4873]

@rockstarofredondo Honestly, he can come across as a know it all. He does sometimes speak with apparent authority on things he is far from expert on. (e.g. when he was talking about forest cover being greater now than ever in America, without addressing the fact that native forests have been massively depleted and the difference has been made up by mono-culture, farmed forests - these are not equivalent, and represents a serious ecological problem).

[rockstarofredondo]

@tml4873 He also talks about a meat lobby (disregarding the grain lobby) in support of vegetarianism. If I'm not mistaken, the grain lobby is much more powerful. He can't know everything though, & deserves credit for his work in philosophical achievements, in my opinion.

[tml4873]

@rockstarofredondo I agree, I've become a fan since I first discovered him a couple of months ago, no one can know everything; it would be comforting once in a while to hear him admit he just doesn't know something, and keep his cock-sure statements to things he's well versed in.

[kennyvii]

It seems to me that a country that takes over another country is either after resources or protecting its own collective resources. Where do you explain your argument on this issue because I would like to agree with you.

[nbonasoro]

i really like stefan's ideas, but here is an example where he contradicts himself. he says he is an anarchist which means, and i might be wrong here, but it means that he wants no government. now he defines government as the use of force. here he says that force should never be used unless its being used against us, and only to defend ourselves. so therefore doesnt he advocate the force of government to protect the people only in limited circumstances(minarchist)?

[jeffiek]

@nbonasoro Except that a minarchist gov't initiates force against its citizens to support itself (more commonly called taxes ). How do you defend yourself against taxes?

Not to mention that it's a fantasy. The greatest attempt, the US constitution, failed miserably to contain gov't.

So, no, he doesn't advocate a minarchist gov't. There's plenty of other ways to defend yourself. Handing weapons to a gang isn't solving your problem, its abdicating your role in a solution.

[nbonasoro]

@jeffiek So lets break down your argument here. How government supports itself is a tax, but there are ways for government to be less intrusive, such as fees for voluntary use of the governments services. Also i disagree that the constitution was what failed at preventing a large government, like benjamin franklin said the government is a republic if we can keep it that way.

[tridentmovies]

@nbonasoro

First of all, for a libertarian there is no "we". If 75% doesn't want a republic, must the 25% make themselves subservient? Second, government doesn't run on voluntary fees, that would make it a firm, and you'd still have the monopoly on force. Third, ever heard of the Whiskey rebellion? Government started using force very early on. Most people don't like violence so won't resist government usurpation. A constitution will NEVER stop government usurpation. It's just a piece of paper.

[nbonasoro]

@jeffiek I think that statement can be used to imply that the constitution is just a piece of paper meant to help the people control the size of government. The constitution was never meant to do anything magical, its always been the role of the people. Im just trying to think about a logic step by step way for this society to become free.

[nbonasoro]

@nbonasoro the statement i was refering to was cut off. I was saying that first of all government could be paid for through fees for voluntary use of government services. and then i was saying that the constitution was never meant to be the thing that stopped the growth of government it was always supposed to be people. Ben franklin said that the country is a republic if you can keep it that way.

sorry this is out of order

[nbonasoro]

@jeffiek I beleive that we have Ron Paul become president, he demolitishes government agencies and appropriations, and then we teach the people how to be free when they are actually able to do it. Stefan likes to say that we have to have better parents teaching kids how to be non aggressive humans, but no matter what you were taught, if you live in a world with the fascist government we have now, you are going to have to be violent to live.

[nbonasoro]

@jeffiekSo first we change the environment the way ron paul is doing it then we change the people and tell them that its their responsibility to maintain a weak government. Im open to criticisms and would love to have a mind opening talk about this if you want to respond.

sorry for the long rant.

[tridentmovies]

@nbonasoro

It is not anybody's responsibility to maintain a weak government anymore than it is their responsibility to maintain a weak mafia. The fact that you think you can just "start over" and pretend it will work out better this time is ridiculous. There were lots of Ron Pauls in the 18th century. It didn't stop the state from growing. The government has no legitimacy, period. Read Lysander Spooner's "No Treason". Even the constitution was imposed by force.

[tridentmovies]

@nbonasoro

No. Minarchism means small government. Government IS force, because first of all, it must be funded, which means forcible taxation (voluntary 'taxation' just makes it a firm, not a government). Also, a government claims to have the final say on matters, which means it uses force against competitors in the private sector, because having the final say means nothing unless you enforce it. Without forcible taxation and a monopoly, you would have anarchism. With it, minarchism.

[miserkocho]

dont get turned off if u disagree on a single issue with an anarchist.its a framework thats open enough to adapt...as opposed to a outdated system trying to remain relevant in a technological society.

[iggerdanus]

19:00 They won't invade a country without a tax structure? Yeah right! Unless of course it has natural resources. I cannot believe so many people are following Stef, who is essentially a snake-oil salesman who would have been tarred and feathered, and rightly so, not so many years ago.

[ashane77]

@iggerdanus

Freedom = Bad

You're right!

[iggerdanus]

@ashane77 You sir are likely an idiot.

[ashane77]

@iggerdanus

Your momma.

[landloper1986]

thumbs up for geeky sexiness

[bergweg]

13:40 A quick mechanism to uncover psychopaths would probably remove the need for defense agencies.

[bergweg]

if governments are dissolved, what happens to property claims (of legal persons) listed in the land register?

[ashane77]

@bergweg

if governments are dissolved, who will wage wars, commit genocides, and imprison millions of people for victimless crimes?!!

Its INSANITY I tell you!

[bestonlineguide]

Its funny that the actual word government means mind control

...govern = control

ment =mind ...mind control :)

[saldownik]

Lol, i think Stef really hits the nail with emphasising importance of peaceful parenting.

[RockingMrE]

Stef, I can't express how much respect I have for you, but you totally lost me on abortion. I'm concerned about men's issues in our culture because it is terrible how women have the most reproductive and parental rights, while men basically have none other than a condom. Discouraging abortion will just encourage more male disposability. Also, you being such a rational thinker, must surely know that a fetus is not developed enough to be a human being in the early stages of pregnancy.

[MrStillmans]

Hoity-Toity??

Ivory tower????

[eleganz]

Recent survey polls show Ron Paul in the first key GOP primary/caucus state Iowa with rep/dem/indies first place @ 25%, tied for first place @ 22% with reps, first placeamong dems/indies @ 34%, and first place among indies @ 38%. Hows that for Ron Paul won't be president :)

[KyleSkullz]

@eleganz

"Ideas are the only things that count, politicians, for the most part, are irrelevant" - Ron Paul

Nobody for president 2012.

[eleganz]

@KyleSkullz yes, but we're much closer to Ron Paul being president than America being an anarchic nation, just ask your neighbors.

Ron Paul 2012.

[PeacelnValhalla]

@eleganz You really want to be at the helm of a sinking ship and be blame for it all?

[eleganz]

@PeacelnValhalla and your solution is....

[PeacelnValhalla]

@eleganz how about not fall for an obvious trap?

[eleganz]

@PeacelnValhalla You can sit at home and tell people not to vote but next year, 2012 America will have a president whether she likes it or not. I much rather have that president be Ron Paul. The OBVIOUS trap is to think that your silence will get anything done, which it won't.

[PeacelnValhalla]

@eleganz Lulz, no the OBVIOUS trap is thinking that voting does anything. If the 1% wants someone to be president they will be president.

You should spend your energy voting, better than not doing anything. lulz You must feel pretty powerless if you think that if someone isn't voting they are being silent.

Voting shows your quiet submission to the machine, and you make me sick

[eleganz]

@PeacelnValhalla Yes yes, you think you're one step ahead of everybody. The 1% The 1% The 1%, they rule us all, we have zero control over ourselves. Instead of laying down and getting raped with that defeatist attitude and refusing to vote with absolutely no alternative, you go do something? Show me a solid progressing movement of people protesting the establishment refusing to vote to crash the system so I can do more homework on it, until then, I'm sticking with Ron Paul. Problem?

[PeacelnValhalla]

@eleganz yea, like I said before. Once Ron Paul is SELECTED the shit will really hit the fan and libertarian ideas will be at blame. What power does a president really have anyway? You don't still believe that everything is as it seems do you? People (you included) are stupid, and when the media (owned by the 1% lulz) says it was because of deregulation and small government, I wonder what unthinking fucks like you will be corralled into doing next? Problem, Reaction, Solution... dummy

[eleganz]

@PeacelnValhalla Right, change the subject and start swearing. That really helps you win the argument. I asked you to show me a solid progressing movement protesting the establishment, refusing to vote to crash the system. I said I would look into it but I guess you can't provide one because it doesn't exist. How do you expect to win people with no backing of what you're trying to accomplish? Oh yea, by swearing at them. Good job.

[PeacelnValhalla]

@eleganz Swearing? What are you a southern baptist? Saying the "shit" hit the fan is not swearing. And as you can see, I did not change the subject, and that's a pretty stupid thing to say considering the whole conversation is recorded for the world to see. You have a problem with the word "shit", you have a "shitty" memory and comment navigation tools, and you still cling to the political machine, you're old and backwards Why don't you just sit back and let the new generation undo your "shit"

[eleganz]

@PeacelnValhalla Let the new generation undo what? You still have not provided one solid argument (not even solid, you've provided absolutely nothing) for not voting, yet you preach it so strongly, hypocrite? or just ignorant? So much talk yet no action, you even took a whole paragraph to focus your topic around the word shit but you couldn't muster up the energy to provide proof or backing to your original argument.

[PeacelnValhalla]

@eleganz whatever dude, cling to your precious political machine. I'll continue to speak out against lunacy when and wherever I can, whether it be child abuse or political delusion. You can label everything outside "voting" as "no action" but you and your kind of thinking is on the way out no matter how much you fight or whine about it. Ron Paul will not be selected as president, and if he does it will spell disaster for the freedom movement. I think our friend Stefan would agree with me.

[PeacelnValhalla]

@eleganz and P.S. Simply saying that someone hasn't made an argument doesn't make it true, dummy. You know how to scroll down don't ya? Or were computer invented too long after your birth for you to realize that you could do that? Also I'm sure your memory isn't what it used to be so you if would like to remind yourself of the original argument please feel free to do so.

Closing your eyes and ears screaming "I can't hear you" doesn't make you right, it makes you a republican. Dumb ass

[PeacelnValhalla]

@eleganz and P.S. Simply saying that someone hasn't made an argument doesn't make it true, dummy. You know how to scroll down don't ya? Or were computers invented too long after your birth for you to realize that you could do that? Also I'm sure your memory isn't what it used to be so you if would like to remind yourself of the original argument please feel free to do so.

Closing your eyes and ears screaming "I can't hear you" doesn't make you right, it makes you a republican. Dumb ass

[eleganz]

@PeacelnValhalla War is perpetual, I understand that and knowledge is rarely ever put into practice but here is my attempt at it. Like Ron Paul said, we can turn mutually assured destruction to mutually assured respect. You have private message and I hope this conversation will turn into a civil one.

[PeacelnValhalla]

@eleganz fuck fuck shit damn, when are religious fucks gonna realize that the english language evolves and has been evolving since it was first conceived. Labeling certain words profanity is just the old and dying generation's pathetic attempt to censor and confuse language. Eleganz, fuck you and your mother ;D

[MadXMax187]

"If education worked than everyone who bought a diet book would lose weight" lol good point

[PluralOfEverything]

He's not libertarian. He's anarchist. I'm saying this less than a minute into the video, so I don't know yet if Stef corrects him.

[DaveElectric]

Ye, I don't like your typical philosopher. Most philosophers are bombastic and completely don't give a shit. Some the last great philosophers were Locke Rand Spencer Nietzsche Marx All very coherent if at times wrong. Some of the worst being Hegel Derridia Sarte Kant Schopenheur and ANY post-modernist

[TheJuansLife7]

interesting, baby sale eh? i hadn't thought of that as a good idea, im surpriced the government has not done it. but than i guess i suppose the religious ppl are all wraped up in their minds about it, which makes about as much sense as their beliefs, both religious and statists, given that they both profit from the profit to be, out of indoctrinated childern. Reguardless this sale of children idea still feels a bit out of my comfort, tho it is better than killing the child,

[Skorge729]

Thanks Stefan for clearing up my mind on the abortion issue in a free soceity, your reply to the question is exactly how i feel on the subject but i did not connect the dots of violence......like making it mandatory for the woman to have a child with the threat of violence.

[CurtHowland]

"Narcissism of small differences"

That's wonderful. It makes the hostility between religious sects understandable.

[RepellentGoose]

Gah "Double-edged sword", everything is a double edged sword.

[CurtHowland]

10:35, "We should respect property rights"

You might be surprised at the number of people I've met who DO NOT agree with that. They are so trapped into thinking that other people can only get rich by making other people poor, that they simply reject private property out of hand.

[SanguineBullet667]

and by the way, nobody is forcing you at gunpoint to pay taxes. you live in America, therefore you signed a contract saying you will do this this and this. feel free to leave at any time. nobody is forcing you to stay and pay taxes.

[siftyfour]

@SanguineBullet667 words cannot describe how out of touch you are with reality.

[siftyfour]

@SanguineBullet667 "nobody is forcing you at gunpoint to pay taxes" Really? I don't even know what to say to this you must be trolling.

[5StepsToAnarchy]

@SanguineBullet667 At the risk of feeding the troll, where is this contract you speak of?

[shlockofgod]

@SanguineBullet667 "...nobody is forcing you at gunpoint to pay taxes. you live in America, therefore you signed a contract saying you will do this this and this. feel free to leave at any time. nobody is forcing you to stay and pay taxes."

That's called the social contract argument. If we don't pay taxes then we go to jail at gun point. If we don't pay taxes our only choice is to leave the country. Either way is the initiation of force.

Don't piss down my leg and tell me it's raining.

[SanguineBullet667]

@shlockofgod that's like saying that a company doesn't have the right to throw you out the door when you choose to not pay a membership fee. yet you think you can stay on the property? wtf is wrong with you, how arrogant and juvenile. get out of america if you're not going to pay taxes, it's that simple. the government has every right to throw you out if you're going to reap the benefits of what taxes provide without contributing.

[shlockofgod]

@SanguineBullet667 "that's like saying that a company doesn't have the right to throw you out the door when you choose to not pay a membership fee. yet you think you can stay on the property?"

It's not like saying that. Membership of a company is voluntary. I agree to a contract first. I agree to no contract just by being born or remaining within a geographical area.

"get out of america if you're not going to pay taxes..."

Or what?

[SanguineBullet667]

@shlockofgod you DO agree to one once you become of legal age to control your life. it's by your own will that you're still here, therefore you made a pact that you WILL do this and this to stay here. logic fail.

[shlockofgod]

@SanguineBullet667 BTW, if you really believe that then you will have no problem advocating for a citizenship ceremony for every teenager. At sixteen they can sign a contract to pay the government whatever it says it needs (under threat of force) for the rest of their life.

If they refuse they they can be immediately expelled from the country or be imprisoned. You'd have no problem with that, right?

[SanguineBullet667]

@shlockofgod you don't need to. just by being here your presence signed the contract for you. as long as our soldiers are protecting your ass with our tax dollars and you're not paying taxes, then FUCK YOU you can't live here or own property.

[mattsamudio]

@SanguineBullet667 ... I'm sorry, but that doesn't seem rational. By that logic, I can walk up to your car while you're at a stop light, wash your windshield without asking permission, and then bill you whatever I want for it - you just being there obliges you to pay me for my services. Hopefully, in that light, you can see how incoherent that line of thought is.

[shlockofgod]

@SanguineBullet667 "the government has every right to throw you out if you're going to reap the benefits of what taxes provide without contributing."

It has no right. I'M not asking for a government to provide those services (which can all be provided without it) so it has no right to force me to pay after the fact. That's just a scam.

[SanguineBullet667]

@shlockofgod YES, JUST LIKE YOUR CITIZENSHIP IN THIS COUNTRY IS VOLUNTARY.

[Hashishin13]

@SanguineBullet667 How is it voluntary? If I renounce my citizenship I lose my land, and am kicked out. The government tells me I own land but then claims the right to steal it? If its mine taking it from me against my will when I have commit no crime is unjust.

[SanguineBullet667]

@Hashishin13 you can't own land independently because you live under the American political sphere that protects you. by owning land here, you are provided services whether you like it or not (like protecting your ass from terrorists or invaders). so no, you cannot independently own land unless you agree to the conditions set forth by our government - as it should be. you cannot keep the rewards without paying your fair share.

[jeffiek]

@SanguineBullet667 "you cannot keep the rewards without paying your fair share."

I can just imagine what it's like to be in your family at Christmas time. Hand out the presents and then give them a bill.

[Hashishin13]

@SanguineBullet667 How can you, with a straight face, call it a service while saying: "whether you like it, or not."?

The government doesn't say I'm renting land, it says I own it, if I own it they have no right to steal it. Everyone calls our government "representative" yet when people want to leave they can't? So basically your saying that in a just world the King of England should have reclaimed America, The Founding of the US was a crime? In that case secession is leaving a criminal org ha.

[shlockofgod]

@SanguineBullet667 "YES, JUST LIKE YOUR CITIZENSHIP IN THIS COUNTRY IS VOLUNTARY."

It's voluntary in the sense that one can renounce it but that's just another way of re-framing the bad argument you just made.

"it's by your own will that you're still here, therefore you made a pact that you WILL do this and this to stay here."

No I didn't. That "pact" (?) It's not voluntary. It is a threat that I must pay to this monopoly or face the initiation of force. The social contract argument is BS.

[SanguineBullet667]

@shlockofgod you're not afforded any rights to do such things. you get benefits whether you like it or not, that's the system. you WILL pay your fair share or gtfo. think of it in a small way. imagine you live in an anarchistic society and you were born in a commune system out in west texas. you decide that one day you dont want to work but still stay because you argue that you were born here therefore they OWE you something that you haven't earned. scab. scab. scab. scab. scab. scab. scab.

[shlockofgod]

@SanguineBullet667 "you decide that one day you dont want to work but still stay because you argue that you were born here therefore they OWE you something that you haven't earned."

That's a straw-man . I don't think the "commune" owes me anything. It's not what I argued.

"scab. scab. scab. scab. scab. scab. scab."

Jesus. Are you seriously chanting? You sound like a fucking robot.

[Metalheadtill1die]

@shlockofgod Hello friend, you listen to good videos, Stefbot has a lot of great material, in terms of philosophy hear on youtube, I'm slowly shifting from a leftist-anarchist ideology.....to a free market anarchist perspective, it is common sense, to want to achieve individual freedom, and freedom from government oppression.

[shlockofgod]

@Metalheadtill1die Hi Bruce. Yeah , Stef does some amazing philosophy.

[SanguineBullet667]

@shlockofgod and that commune has every right to kick your stupid ass out because you're receiving benefits without doing anything. DERP

[shlockofgod]

@SanguineBullet667 "and that commune has every right to kick your stupid ass out because you're receiving benefits without doing anything."

Only if you joined that commune voluntarily and agreed to a contract.

I don't want the benefits from the government. We can find ways to do all those things without having someone point a gun at us.

"you get benefits whether you like it or not, that's the system."

Oh is THAT the system? I guess I must obey the "system". It IS the "system" after all.

[SanguineBullet667]

@shlockofgod trolling you bro lol

[HeartFacility]

"I'd Have a baby for thirty grand!"

Whats to stop the above attitude from developing? Wouldn't it be worse than the welfare state? Or are we depending on people being educated/informed enough, not to take advantage of the system or themselves in that way?

Cheers for the content

[stefbot]

@HeartFacility too much supply would drop the price...

[mattsamudio]

@stefbot but it isn't a supply/demand "problem" ... even one "unwanted" baby is "too much supply". The problem is about eliminating the undesirable disposal of the "too much supply". What HeartFacility is identifying is a logical problem - trying to design a preventative measure with a built-in incentive for the problem that is to be prevented is inconsistent/incoherent. I agree with your general premise though - we don't need abortion - we can certainly come up with something ethical.

[PanzerDivisionBOM]

@stefbot

I agree that abortion is bad, but I think it's just about as bad to have children that you don't want and are not ready to love and to care and assume responsibility for. And I think we can all agree that paying others to do so has proven an absolutely horrendous practice.

Orphanages and adoption agencies are fine and worthwhile philantropic institutions. Paying people en masse to populate them, not so much.

[ashane77]

@HeartFacility

Freedom = Bad

Got it!

[HeartFacility]

@ashane77

You should be ashaned of yourself

[ashane77]

@HeartFacility

Why should I be ashamed of myself?

[god0fgod]

A contract isn't a contract if there is no agreement!

[DackIsBack]

Hell yeah, I love long videos!

Time to Chillax....

[sundragonchic7]

"They -do- have social skills...just not in this world." LMAO +5 joke spell of hilariousness. :| <<< dork.



[SanguineBullet667]

hmm libertarian scenario:

setting: near future anarcho-capitalist free market America @ a private hospital

- A gay man is on his deathbed, but the staff (who do not agree with their 'lifestyle choices') will not let his male lover of 50 years see him in his last moments. The gay man dies alone, never allowed to see his partner. What is to be done in this type of situation?

[unclesamfatg]

@SanguineBullet667 well, the hospital should in this case show the rules of visiting and if they break them pay a huge amount of money becuase its the same as fraud. so hospitals would make short lists of rules. probably there would be hospitals for gay if nobody liked them in that community. other questions?

[Gerstein1]

@SanguineBullet667 Not sure if trolling or....

Regardless, pretty much nothing. There will be people who won't use the hospital anymore based solely on that. Negotiation may be done, but it's mostly a non-issue. No hospital would hire socially oppressing staff if they wanted to maintain business.

[siftyfour]

@SanguineBullet667 That's a ridiculous scenario, why is the hospital treating a gay man in the first place if they are against gays?

[SanguineBullet667]

@siftyfour they didn't know he was gay DERP and it was the nearest hospital in the area DERP

[siftyfour]

@SanguineBullet667 I can't believe you actually spend the time thinking of that kind of crap. Why don't you stop asking other people to think for you and try to figure it out by yourself.

[SanguineBullet667]

@siftyfour i asked it because it's an injustice with no possibility of reparations for such injustice in a pure libertarian free market society. unacceptable.

[serialkiller1990]

@SanguineBullet667

Wow. I guess we can't have free society after all...

The hospital would be boycotted by the homosexuals, and presuming (and thats how it probably is going to be) it is accepted, other people as will do the same as well. So at the very least it will be at a competitive disadvantage. It would be probably also known before hand that a hospital is engaged in such practices.

[Skullchaser08]

@SanguineBullet667 Lol, stop making shit up.

[i2aymond]

@SanguineBullet667 Why did he choose to go to a hospital with this policy?

[Herv3]

7:33 Disappearing Molyneux ^_^

[gabrielcrimson]

I feel a little insulted, I'm a DnD player but i'm pretty bloody social aswell lol.

[charronfamilyconnect]

Has anyone checked out Dean Cliffords, Freeman on the land claims? He apparently has won cases to get out of tickets, and fines in Manitoba. Anyone else look into this?

[god0fgod]

Clear, logical thinking doesn't persuade people... I guess that is true these days... :(

[qedisk]

@god0fgod It's always true. You have to be a king, have charizma - to persuade non-intellectuals. Intellectuals do not need persuasion.

[unclesamfatg]

so if the foreigner statist nation attacks you what do you do, fire the nukes?

[desirefirst]

if people refuse to be thugs for hire and people refuse to hire thugs then there is never any "govern"ment

[jcrongoXisXaXjerk]

going to watch it all!

[WorthlessCurrency]

furriest.. i mean... first.

go stef!!!!