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  • actually by spacing the sear/spring piece of metal with a washer you can go thick and not worry about the bolt coming off during cycling as long as the trigger is in the same place. it's the trigger that stops the bolt. but if you put too thick of a washer you won't get enough sear engagement and your gun could become unsafe! A good bump could set it off if you went thick enough. if you go even further you won't get any engagement at all so for people out there check on that! Good Idea though!

  • Thank you for sharing this idea. My trigger pull was already light enough, so I didn't need the washer, but it had a horrible amount of play in it. The added spring worked beautifully. It now has zero play and feels much smoother to function.

  • @RevRedmondFarrier no problem, glad you found it helpful. thanks for the feedback.

  • Can you be a bit more specific with the washer. I bought a quarter inch wide washer and it was one of the smallest at my local home depot had and it did not let me pull the trigger.

  • @Deathofblades I dont have anymore measurements on the washer and I really dont want to take my rifle apart right now. Did you file the one end of the washer off like I showed in the video? can you see the washer interfering with anything? it almost sounds like to me your washer is too thick. this would push the spring away from the trigger...maybe not engage the bolt? washer should only be about 2mm thick. try sanding it thinner.

  • @ericzanutto Well I didn't file the washer out because I wanted to test if the washer would give it the lighter trigger pull then I would file it; however, that wasn't the case. You can sand a washer to be thinner?? What didn't I think of that?! Also I don't have any files in my household but tons of sand paper lol

  • @Deathofblades well give it a try I guess and see what happens. Im really not 100% sure why its doing that. obviously check for the stupid stuff too like debris in the way or mounting the spring upside down...you never know.

  • @ericzanutto Yeah I went to my home depot again and checked thoroughly for any good sized washers. I only stumbled across a Fiber Washer. So I used that and the trigger job work nicely. I wouldn't say this mod makes the trigger tremendously in a lighter pull like some who haven't done the mod might think, but it gives it that extra nudge to make the pull feel just right.

    I still have not done the spring yet as I have to buy a staple remover for that job.

  • Does this work without the spring and without the spring how uncomfortable is it to fire??

  • @ToniKhoury83 yes, works just fine without the spring. your trigger will just have a little slop in it. the spring takes up this slop.

  • Looks simple enough and it looks like it works. I'll try it on one of my 1936.

  • @CazadoresLatinosDePA yup, pretty simple. Im sure youll like how the new trigger feels. let us know how it goes.

  • Do you have an exact name/ product number of those clippers you have?

  • @Deathofblades dont have the packaging anymore but I bought them at target. Ive heard a staple remover spring works well too. I think you can read the label a bit in the video.

  • @ericzanutto After a month of finding and painstakingly making the parts fit, I have finally got the two-staged trigger to work!! Thanks ericzanutto! Man after I installed the stapler remover spring and got the spring to work the Soviet Guard song started to play in my head /watch?v=FvZECSQdS_Y&noredirec­t=1

  • @Deathofblades cool man, good to hear it worked out for you. glad you found the video helpful.

  • Excellent video!

  • @preppervseconomy thank you, glad you liked it.

  • the way i shoot, the trigger has to be as predictable as possible, i can shoot much better with my brother's mosin versus my mosin because his trigger has much less pull and therefore is much more predictable. maybe that's just me, but we all have different shooting styles.

  • @MrFuzzleFilms its hard for me to explain but its unpredictable and predictable at the same time. predictable in that I know how far I have to pull the trigger for it to go off now. unpredictable in that its very sensitive now. I think if I polished it a bit it would help to make it even better. either way, this thing shoots way more accurate now. I have a PE scope I installed and I shoot a steel shoebox sized target out 550 yards consistently.

  • dude awesome video! easy to follow instructions! thanks!

  • @MrBasshead123 thank you, I appreciate the comment and the feedback. glad you liked it. hope it works well for you.

  • I really appreciate this video and tip. I have now added the washer and safety checked and do far so good. I haven't perfected the spring just yet but I will work it out to look nice and feel right as well.

    I also took the time to polish the contact points since I had it in pieces already. I don't know if it helped but I feel good about the work and results so far. Hope in translates to better groups next range visit.

  • @19hawk11 thank you, im really glad you found it helpful and glad it worked out well for you. I have polished mine yet but tons of people have told me it has worked well for them so I will be doing that for sure. let us all know how it shoots...adjust it with different thickness washers if you dont like it.

  • "unpredictable trigger" to unpredictable trigger

  • @MrFuzzleFilms in a sense, yes, youre correct. however, you do almost want it to be a surprise when your trigger goes off. not saying it should be totally unpredictable. Ive found that with the stock mosin trigger you pull and pull and it never goes off at the same time which is bad. after this trigger job the mosin goes off at the exact same pull everytime. you can adjust it a bit to suit your liking. polishing would help too.

  • easy fix timeny 1.5lb trigger and comes with a nice safety so you dont have to add a cocking ring. just dropped the trigger in and if u have a ati stock make a spot for the safety to go up next to the receiver bam your done

  • @jackomo2 ya...I didnt want to order a trigger and pay for it. Im sure the timney works great but this fast couple dollar mod is just fine for me.

  • What year is your rifle? Mines a 43

  • @lcater9555 mines a 1925 hex receiver, ex-dragoon.

  • @ericzanutto nice

    

  • @lcater9555 thank you!

  • @ericzanutto I have a 1929 ex-dragoon, do you know if the fact that it is an ex dragoon will make it slightly more valuable to collectors or not?

  • @rmz250muhctek from what ive read it does but theres a lot of other things that change the value more like the manufacturer and whether or not it has matching numbers or not. I personally wanted a hex receiver because theyre harder to find and are usually manufactured a bit nicer.

  • Great video. Thank you.

  • @dynodon427 thanks, glad you liked it.

  • You can raise the bridge or lower the river. Instead of using a washer you can stone down the sear. That's the part on the other end that rides against the back of the bolt. This brings the trigger closer to the spring part. You then thin the spring so it has less pull. If you can get your hands on a Finnish trigger you can copy how they added a roll pin to make a two stage trigger. Stoning the area that the sear rides on of the bolt helps the pull a lot also.

  • @sanity599 thanks for the info. at the time when i did this i didnt want to permanently modify the trigger, just in case I messed it up. I do plan on doing a little bit of polishing things to smooth things out a bit.

  • @ericzanutto These rifle were "war time expedient" meaning they made them as fast as they could. So some things are just "good enough." When you work on the sear I have found it best if you put a 5 to 10 thousands shim ( feeler gauge ) between the part of the spring that hit the bottom of the receiver. As you take off metal from the sear you can tell when it will fire with the shim. Then remove the shim and you have 5 to 10 thou sear engagement. I hope I said that right.

  • @sanity599 thanks, makes sense to me.

  • Good thinking! Thanks for the upload. I'll definitely try this on my 91/30. Any idea of the trigger weight on the finished product?

  • @Seif5034 thatnk you, glad you liked the video and the mod. Im not sure about the weight but it is pretty light. the trigger pull is fairly short too. just be careful and adjust it to your liking. i havent ever had any issues with mine but im sure if you made it too light you could run into problems.

  • i spent all day working on the inside diameter of the washer making it bigger and it was still to wide.

  • @tanker0wns1 weird. try a different size washer. mine pretty much fit perfectly. I just barely had to shave off the one side.

  • nice

  • @iskra1ON1 thanks, glad you liked it.

  • not a bad mod at all. however i think a better mod would be to actually take the play out of the trigger pull instead of simply masking it with a return spring.

    (although i admit if i knew how to do that, id have already done it to my mosin nagant)

    either way its still a good mod, and an easy one at that.

  • @OnlyInhuman666 ya, ive thought about it but cant think of a good way of getting rid of the slack without permanantly modifying the trigger or purchasing an aftermarket trigger.

  • @ericzanutto i have a video up now of the trigger mod i did, although it is "permanant" i think it still easily qualifies as a DIY job, provided you have the means to do so.

    check it out and let me know what you think.

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  • wow. you're so innovative

  • @thizcattleya thanks, I dont think im the first person to do this type of mod though. I just changed it up a bit and wanted to make a detailed video for what I thought was a useful mosin mod. thanks again.

  • I used a staple remover spring, works awesome! Thanks!

  • @savage1r good ti know that spring worked. when i was looking for a spring I looked at a staple remover but the one I saw looked like the diameter would have been too small. thanks for the reply and glad you liked the video.

  • Very well thought out, nicely done !!

  • @PRACERZ thank you, glad you liked the video. hope you like the mod if you try it on your rifle too.

  • way to go!

  • @markbuiltme thanks, glad you like the mod. try it out and let me know what you think. i think youll be happy with it.

  • Hmmmm I just used needle nose pliers and and tweaked mine a bit but the chip clip spring I'll have to try.

  • That looks legit. I'll have to try it.

  • Great video. There is a kit you can buy that will do all this for you, if one might want to go that route. It consists of a spring that was specifically designed for this app, and a trigger that has been drilled and tapped with a set screw in it (replaces the washer method). The nice thing about it is, you can access and adjust the trigger with an allen wrench by simply pulling the bolt out, rather than having to remove the gun stock.

  • @Just1Spark thank you. so who makes this trigger youre talking about and where can you get one?

  • @ericzanutto huberconcepts has an 'antifriction' ball bearing trigger. Buymilsurp has the return spring and adjustable trigger iirc.

  • @ericzanutto - Google "mosin nagant trigger kit", the link from buymilsurp is what I think he was talking about. I think your DIY solution is probably better, since you're using that washer to decrease the trigger pull.

  • @vbrtrmn good to know. ya, the washer really helps to reduce the trigger pull. change up the washers for a different pull.

  • Great video. For refinishing, as someone mentioned, I used "purple power" cleaning to strip the varnish and oil without one bit of sanding as I wanted the cartouches intact. I used a rosewood mahogany oil stain from minwax. 3 coats of that. Followed by a rub with 0000 steel wool to smooth the finish. Topped off with maybe 6-10 coats of minwax wood polish. Looks awesome. I wanted to keep the reddish hue. The wax finish looks like polyurethane but feels nice and keeps a more traditional look.

  • @AsianDude0117 im sure youll be real happy with the results...I was. my bad on not showing some better close ups of the bent spring. each spring will probably fit a bit different though.

  • @AsianDude0117 glad you found the video helpful and glad you tried out the mod. Have you shot it yet? What you think? I personally love this mod and it helps me shoot so much better. How much did you have to bend your spring to make it fit right? Thanks again for watching and posting back!

  • Thanks alot ! I did this mod in 20 min. and it woks perfectly. But my cost was only 1$. good old dollar tree, everything is a dollar!

  • @phillymacify cool man, glad you gave it a try and glad it worked out well for you. have you tried shooting it yet? I personally noticed a pretty big difference in the overall shootability of the rifle after this mod. I hear ya on the $1. i just got tired of looking at diffrent stores for these stupid springs. did you have to bend your much to make it fit right? thanks again for checking it out!

  • im definitely jerking the trigger, i want to try this mod. is yours still solid?

    other option is the timney.

  • @electr0zity yep, trigger still works perfect...very smooth and helps accuracy a lot. ill post up some more range vids soon. it drives tacks out at 450 yards.

  • @ericzanutto im doin it, thanks. i'll post how it went after the range. the only range in an hours drive is a 50 yard range.. pity. such long range potential in the mosin. nice re-finish i love it. what did you use?

  • @electr0zity you can still get a good idea of accuracy increase by looking at your grouping at 50 yards. you should see much tighter groups. im not an expert shooter or anything like that but this MOsin never fails to amaze me when it comes to accuracy. I used Minwax polyurathane, 6 coats, after I scotch brighted it down to bare wood. I also used minwax pre stain and stain.

  • @ericzanutto i refinished mine, but i didnt use pre stain, i used water. i'll copy your method after i sand it bare again. i've got mojo micro click peep sights and 2 days ago i put 5 shots in a fist sized group from a bench rest position. i know i can do better, especially after i do your mod. thanks for this super informative information.

  • @electr0zity forgot to mention, i used crud kutter to remove old grease and stains from the wood via iraqvetrans method. then i did the prestain and all the othe rstuff. if your wood is in good shape then the pre stain wont do much. my stock is a laminated stock (harder wood too) which helps make a better overall finish. my Mauser wasnt laminated and the coat didnt come out as nice. I ended up going for a flat coat on that one. i have a video of that finish too.

  • @electr0zity glad you like this mod btw...im sure youll be happy with it. next thing im going to do is polish the trigger. ive heard this makes it pretty smooth.

  • thanks for sharing

  • Haha you looked at women's hair clips, lol.

  • Did you bump check it to make sure that the sear held? This would be important with any trigger mod.

  • @swenner64 nope, havent checked that yet but good idea...i havent had any issues with this mod though and i have been shooting with it since day 1 of my mosin build.

  • @ericzanutto Just give your rifle a good bump on the ground on the end of the butt stock and see if the seer disengages if it hold it is fine. You just don't want to bump your rifle and have it fire. Great vid and great idea!!

  • I saw one where a guy cut some shims out of a soda can... the material is quite thin, it might be better to fine tue it with, maybe get a pull that is not a hair trigger... stay safe, keep shooting!

  • @ballermann907 thats a real good idea if you really want to dial in the feel of your trigger. the washer i used is actually pretty thin and works perfect for my trigger. again though, each trigger will be a little different and so will the shooters preference.

  • great mod, I definitely need to try that

  • @soapy05 it works pretty well, i think youll be more than happy with the results...and if not...it only costs about $5.

  • I've thought about doing this, but the very fact that it makes it hair-trigger is enough for me to reconsider...I dunno, I've kinda gotten used to that rough pull, but I can definitely see how it helps for 450 yd+ shooting. Great vid BTW

  • @20thcenturyfilmdocs ya, the hair trigger can be a bit to get used to but for myself im 100% sure its safe. its something to get used to...even just after firing a few rds through one of my other rifles. but fo rthose long shots it works great. i wish all triggers could be like my mauser. maybe a timney trigger would be nice but i guess for now this $5 trigger mod will have to do. luckily for me though ive had the "washer" mod since day one so im used to it.

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