helmet to helmet doesn't matter at all on a ball-carrier. at that point, Locker was a ball carrier and you can hit him anywhere you want to. the only thing is...you cant throw the crown of your helmet into his head or use the helmet as a "weapon". thats the rule. so this was a perfectly legal hit.
Ofcourse it was a helmet to helmet, but that happens. Hell, it happened to me numerous times in high school, and it makes a thick THUD sound and then your neck and head hurt, but this was not deliberate. Bakc then, Jake refused to slide or go out of bounds,.. plus, hw as the ONLY QB in the PAC!0 to NOT have a QB coach, because Willingham was such a moron.
haha Im watching a Wisconsin player go on the stretcher because of a helmet to helmet. This is college football! where getting paralyzed means your a MAN! Not some crap pee wee football.
Everyone here DOES realize that there is no such thing as a helmet to helmet infraction on the ball carrier right? Helmet to Helmet only protects receivers in the act of catching, and quarterbacks.
i was at that game and that hit happend right in front of me. Locker lowered his head and Afalava had a clean hard hit and popped him with his shoulder.
@osubeavs721 The video is right here it clearly shows two helmets hitting I dont understand why some of you always feel the need to call out helmet to helmet contact like you are experts at it. It's not on purpose here but why would you lie to try and justify the hit like it was really the shoulder that hit first?
@osubeavs721 Sorry guy but it blatently shows two helmets hitting and nowhere does he hit him with his shoulder first. I understand it happens all the time in football but dont lie about it to try and justify it like its a good hit man.
@jraybay when a QB passes the line of scrimmage, he can be hit anywhere a RB can be hit. so this was a great hit. kept his head up and everything. know your rules before you start posting dribble.
@eKriZZLe First of all I was wondering who would step up and nominate themselves as "captain obvious" congrats. Secondly I already said here that it wasn't on purpose obviously proper tackling form requires you to keep your head up, you knew that too right. thirdly in todays game they're gona call most helmet to helmet contact in an effort to cut down on concussions Jake is also a quarterback so he's gona get some calls his way from time to time.
@eKriZZLe Just going off of todays standards on head shots which is very tight. also it shows two helmets hitting i'm just saying why deny it like it never happened? Unfortunate that Jake ducked into it.
Um, if helmet to helmet is such a big problem, they can use external padding on the helmets like the player from the 49ers does. helmets are shiny weapons. quit blaming players for helmet to helmet bull. They are given weapons are are stupid to not use them in a combat sport. Modify the outside of the helmets and there wont be such a problem with it. 2 hard objects bounce really hard off each other. put a little exterior on the helmet and the time of impact would be greater, reducing injury
you myfriend are a fucking idiot average hit on an nfl running back is like hittin a wall at 25mph u put on a football helmet with a littlpe padding get in a car and have a metal pole hit you across the facemask at 25mph u will be severly injured if they dont stop helmet to helmet contact someone WILL be killed i cant believe that u even said that ur forgetting the momentum a 250lb person running at at 250lb person has at the point of impact
people get killed every week cuz of this 3 weeks ago a high school kick returner from spokane died because he hit with his head down, and the previous week we were playing cedarcrest freshman game and the kid came in with his head down and my friend hit him the kid was airlifted to hospital with a spinal injury and a severe concussion shrewbob really doesnt know a thing
its the momentum that causes injury when you hit helmet to helmet the momentum causes injury. with padded on the outside it wouldnt make any difference but make your head a heavier more destructible object. and wtf do you mean by a combat sport?
it doesn't matter it'll only cushion the blow to the persons head it won't stop it from moving the persons neck and possibly causing damage to the persons neck and spine
i kno dude, i play football, i was messing around its just there are a million videos saying this and that on jake locker, was a sarcastic comment, this wasnt helmet to helmet
Man fuck you. Apparently you have no respect for anyone. How would you like me to give you a concussion? How would you feel when I say Ohh he deserved it... He was being a little BITCH. ohh Yea Jake is four times the athlete you'll ever be.
i live in ferndale and watched jake in almost every game as a sophmore, junior,senior and his first year at uw, i've met him a number of times and know that he never goes down, he goes down if he's knocked out or is physically unable to get up, which was the case here, i want to see this happen to you and see what you would do.
i no al avalavas brother. he goes to my high school kahuku. i also played football with him. And by the way that was a clean shot against jake locker.
There's no way an actual football fan could watch this play and call it dirty. That UW has sunk so far its fans are grasping for straws like this is just sad. Afalava is just making the play like he's supposed to. Locker made a terrible decision to cut back when he should have seen 2 more defenders waiting to level him. Locker's a stud but he needs to realize he's not superman.
LOL, I was wrong. Actually all 11 members of OSU's defense were within 5 yards of Locker's cutback. He didn't deserve to get hurt but when you make decisions like that it's gonna happen from time to time.
According to Steele, Georgia comes in with the third toughest schedule this season, behind Washington and Arkansas. What's interesting is that all of the teams mentioned in the preseason mix to make a run at the BCS title game show up well in Steele's rankings - none are outside the toughest 35.
georgia is a bunch of fucking pussies. They play georgia southern and central mighigan. And also play 7 home games. Real football teams play 6 and 6. 6 home...6 away. And they dont schedule 2 creampuffs. That pisses me off. Y do they think they are so special as to get 2 easy wins and one extra home game.
why is afalava the dumbest player alive? does he not realize that he could kill not only an opposing player but also himself. hes gonna be paralyzed one of these days haha did u see the hit on maehl? or however u spell it funny thing is i went to high school with jefferey maehl and i cant spell it!
That hit on Maehl or wat ever the hell his name is is BULL SHIT. He obviously lead wit his shoulder, and becasue of the force of the impact his head went forward a little bit and might have tapped Maehl's helmet.
stop bitchin, they won the game no big deal get over it maybe it was a bad call when its slowed down it looks like it was a helmet to helmet, all i can say for u oregon state fans is get over it.
OMG Beaver bitches stfu!! The entire country knows that the Oregon State campus has the highest homosexuality rate in the country. 36%to be exact. So you have no room to talk since the beavers are queer bitches.
You can't say that to justify this kind of hit. It's true that as a running QB Jake Locker has and will take alot of punishment by defenses. But the diff. between most hits that Locker has taken and this one is that this hit was a helmet to helmet hit - which is illegal. Those type of hits are dangerous to both the tackler and the runner because the tackler risks major head, neck and spinal injury to both himself and the player that he is tackling.
The whole point of my first post was that UW has one of the toughest schedules in the country, if not the toughest
You wanna argue with me, but since you rep WSU. you can't really say much because at least UW was in just about every game except ASU. I sure wish I could say the same for your squad. What happened to the Cougs against
I believe the quote you were looking for was "[s]omething very special is about to happen to the world of collegiate football in the state of Washington". If your going to use my words use my words. If your going to paraphrase don't call it a quote. I don't care if you paraphrase, but don't claim your words as mine. Thank you.
If your going to qoute you sure as hell do. That's what makes it a qoute. Try asking one of your professers that question. That would win you some major points.
At the end of the day a loss is a loss. I'm glad to see that the Huskies beat USC, Arizona, Oregon, and OSU. Oh, they didn't. My bad. The Wisconson game was fairly similar to your Ohio State game (close until the 4th quarter). WSU was a young team so I expected them to get slapped around last year. No more excuses now though. I won't defend crappy performances and Doba is gone, mostly as a result of those. Now it's time to look to the future. Or are you to busy living in the past now?
ha! thanks for playn bro. so when i speak your language, you wanna play it off like I live in the past? what a joke.
and by the way... it's you livin in the past. or do you really want me to go back just to quote you? nah, i got more things to do.
we can go back and forth all year long.
but to be honest... it's gettin boring. and we still got the whole summer to debate. I just can't wait til football season starts. and don't worry, I'll remember you.
Qoute away. Like I said, those who don't understand history are doomed to repeat it. Looking into the future through rose colored glasses while completely disregarding the past is a disaster waiting to happen. You might also remember me saying I thought that talking about the past was the only thing that most husky fans understand. I have only been talking about the past since it's all huskies know. Talking about the future to you would be like going to China and screaming at people in Duetsch.
Can you not read or do you just have a very short attention span? Coaching, experience, and leadership to name a few. Please review prior arguments before you ask stupid questions again.
The RB's, WR's, and O-line are experienced. That makes the QB's job much easier. With a good o-line he has more time to make decisions and with good recievers he has a little more cushion. The players on defense have a few games under their belts as well.
Did I miss something? Wulff coached at EWU. EWU is a Division 1 FCS team. How is that not D1 experience?
There's a huge difference between the depth of talent he will have at WSU and what he had at Eastern. I will argue, and there are many who agree on this point, that the level of competition that exists in D1AA, DII, and DIII far surpasses that of D1A. The teams might not be as talented but they are more evenly matched. In order to have consistant success, such as Wulff had, you have to be a damn good coach.
He hasn't proven anything at WSU. There's nothing else to say about it. And his name isn't Jim Tressel... and he most likley won't ever be mentioned in the same sentence as Tressel.
No shit, he hasn't coached a game yet. Much less a season or a whole group of his recruits. Why the hell are you talking about Tressel now? Wulff has proven himself at Eastern (9 years, Big Sky Coach of the year 4 times, 8 winning seasons, and 3 playoff appearances in 4 years). Tressel was mentioned as a precedent, not an indicator of expected performance. I believe I said that when I wrote that post
Understand that you don't know what you are talking about. Roper is a one hit wonder. To have all american receivers and a first round draft pick for a rb... they make the job easier. okay mr. history major... who's gonna be WSU's qb? Brink was pretty good and experienced. and whose trying the same thing over at Montlake, buddy? obviously you have a hard time keeping up because you live in the past. I hope you can keep up to see that things will be much better in Huskyland. keep in touch!
ok, first of all, he is always getting laid out cause he is taking risks and caringing the whole team. second, he isnt amazing? list some names then to back your arguement up, their is no one his age in college above him, a couple are at his level, but not above. and all the people just talking crap about the huskies are just scared of jake's potential lol, best QB in pac 10, soon to be best in the country.
If I see any one saying this wuz jake lockers fault i will be so freaken mad because that guy who hit him didnt even get flagged!!!!!!!!!!!!And he shouldnt even been flagged he should of been throughn out
Guys, don't blame the huskies losing record on the players. They had more than enough talent to be the best team in the Pac 10...but the coaching was the worst. Whether or not it was Willingham as head coach, or the TE or Defensive Coordinator (Kent Baer, who was fired THANK GOD), you have to give the huskies players credit for never giving up, even when the play calling consisted of run up the middle, run up the middle, pass, punt. You can't win ball games that way.
When you type Jake Locker in YT search it's nothing but hits on him. There could be 2 reasons, either no one likes Jake Locker or he's just an easy target.
You're referring to spearing, I assume? Yes, you're right- if he intentionally led with his helmet- but hitting helmet to helmet is in no way illegal when a player is acting as a runner- that's my point.
locker will be the tebow of the pac-10 next year, probably the smartest qb in the conference but needs to be more consistant. i'm gonna go out of the blue and say washington finishes at least 3rd next year in the pac-10.
usc, ucla, cal, and arizona state are all sanctioned by the ncaa and stripped of all their wins. AND then the oregon team plane crashes into reser stadium while the beavers are playing, tragically killing both teams. AND then the entire wsu team comes down with a severe case of 6 month diarrhea. Leaving only stanford and arizona to finish above you.
2007 is over. UW had the toughest schedule in the country and finished 4-9. I wouldn't say they are terrible because they were in the majority of the games this season but next season, UW may make a lot of noise in the Pac-10.
Stanford didn't play anyone outside the conference nearly as good as Ohio State and even Boise St. for that matter... if its not the hardest it was definitely one of the hardest schedules... USC couldn't run that table. Oregon couldn't, Tennessee couldn't. I mean, you get the point that I was tryin to address. I can't wait til next year.
failing miserably against every moderately talented team you play does not mean your schedule was tough. if you dont start recruiting on defense all you will do is make noise. offense sells tickets, defense wins ball games. fuskies have no defense and, what a shock, terrible records.
2007 is over kbo. Are you saying that schedule isn't tough? I think Ohio State is tough. USC is tough. Oregon with Dixon were pretty darn good. hey, your line about offense sells tix and def wins ball games is old and it doesn't apply here. All i'm saying is wait til next year.
Yes, Ohio State, USC, and Oregon are tough. But, you played all of them in your own 70 thousand plus seat stadium, which levels the field somewhat. Your offense did a damn respectable job, scoring 72 points against those three defenses. That probably sold a few tix. But your defense gave up 115 points. How many of those games did you win? All I'm saying is that if you don't recruit defensive players you can't expect to improve.
see... there's a difference between failing miserably and doing a damn respectable job. last year is over. I'm not complaining. I just can't wait for the new season to begin.
Yes there is a difference. Offense: respectable. Defense: utter failure. Special Teams: utter failure. Coaching: utter failure. Team as whole: miserable failure. You keep saying that 2007 is over. Who the hell is arguing against that point? Going back to the defensive recruiting point, the Fuskies dropped the ball again. I will be shocked if they do much better than 4-8 in 08.
prepare to be shocked. besides what can anyone do about the past? I'm saying to wait til this year. Did you see the incoming recruiting class? We'll see who drops the ball next season. hey, it could be worse. We could've had NOtre Dame's season. Yuck. You talk like the Huskies played an easy schedule. Give credit where credit is due. You diss them on almost every level but yet they gave USC Ohio St. a tough battle. They shouldve beaten Oregon St. but w/o Jake is was too tough.
Have you seen the UW recruiting classes every year for the last 15 years. If thats all your going by the huskies should have been in the top 20 every year. I never said anything about them having an easy schedule. I made a comment about failing miserably against moderately talented teams. Someone else decided to bring up USC OSU and UO. I guess I should give them credit for beating the perrenial powerhouses Syracuse and Stanford. They should get a ticker tape parade for those W's
yeah.. it's ok to have a personal vendetta against UW. Every school goes thru a funk at any point. you can enjoy all that you've seen as of late. All im saying is, things will be better at Montlake. you don't know much about UW recruiting because they had a lot of solid recruits that either choose to play baseball, got injured, or didn't make it into school...
I must be reading this wrong. It looks like you just said the UW recruited lots of good players. But that they all got hurt, could not meet minimum entrance requirements, or flat out refused to play football for UW.
I haven't enjoyed the failed attempts at mediocrity as of late. It would be nice if the Apple Cup could have some national implications. I would love nothing more than 11-0 v. 11-0 with a NC bid on the line.
whether or not the huskies deserved to be in this ballgame is all relative. Oregon didn't deserve to win that Oklahoma game two years back but what can we do? 2007 is over. Let the new season begin already. Jake Locker will be a force to reckon with in 2008.
UW lost their "veteran" secondary, d-line, wr corps, rb and most of the o-line. If 4-9 is all they could muster I wouldn't hold high hopes for the underclassmen. Although, to be fair, any slight improvement over last place could be claimed as a positive stride. If all you're going to throw at me is a QB that couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat I'm not to scared. Your incoming "duel-threat" proved himself to be a one trick pony. Now he's lost that one trick. Just tackle him like a RB.
You bad mouth the 2007 unit as much as you want, but they aren't playin next season. Wait til August rolls around. if Oregon doesn't get Pryor, they will be humiliated at home the first game of the season by UW. One trick pony... ha, Jake's gonna have a lot of help this upcoming season... ever hear of Chris Polk, Kavario Middleton and Anthony Boyles? You will soon see then.
The problem isn't the 07 unit its the fact that most of 08 rode pine all last year, except for garbage time. You can't replace experience with fresh faces. The UW of all schools should have learned that one QB does make that much of an improvement. 5-7 to 4-9 is a bit of a step backwards. If Roper has another Sun Bowl-esque day and the Ducks can run it at all they will put up 50, easy. How does adding 2 WR's and a TE help improve the secondary, much less the defense as a whole?
You can talk about the past all you want. It's the future that will be different. btw, 2007's schedule was way tougher than the previous if you wanna go back. How will the ducks run all day? they don't have jonathan stew, or dixon commandin the offense.
This is where it pays to read CAREFULLY. The point is they don't have to run all day. They have to run a little bit. Just enough to keep the d-line honest and hang the fuskie secondary out to dry. If that happens and Roper has a decent day at QB there isn't much the huskies can do to stop them. Locker can and will put up points, but I doubt he can put up 50 to answer Oregon.
As for talking about the past. I thought that was all husky fans were capable of.
To talk to you is pointless. You like to talk about the past. I like to talk about the future. I can only hope you can understand that you can't do anything about what has already happened. unless of course, you have some kinda device of time travel.
Those who do not understand the past are doomed to repeat it. Until the UW can figure out why they have been so miserable as of late they will not be able to improve. They continue to commit the same mistakes year after year. To try the same thing over and over hoping for a different outcome is, by definition, insanity. I don't like talking about the past except in the context of understanding history. It looks you can't understand that so I'm discontiuing this exercise in futility.
I will very much enjoy next season. Something very special is about to happen to the world of collegiate football in the state of Washington. Unfortunately, for you, it will be happening in Pullman and not on Montswamp.
Wow. That's gotta be your most idiotic post in recent memory. College football in Wsu is gonna be something special? What a joke. kbo, if you wanna put the DUB down, at least know the facts. UW just hired a NEW Def. Coordinator. But you're prolly too Coug-washed to realize. Please explain to all of us about what is gonna be special in WSU.
The UW replaced one person in a program that is rotting from the top down. Willingham and his teams have proven time and again the lack of leadership and coaching ability that this man brings to the table. WSU has entirely restructured their program with a coach that knows the region, the school, how to recruit and most importantly how to coach. Last I checked replacing all but two coaches was more of a change than martyring one. Baer had problems but he was not THE problem.
do you remember what you first pointed out? you talked about the defense. How defense wins championships, well, Tyrone replaced his defensive coordinator with an experienced and proven professional coach...that itself is a big step towards the right direction. you're funny dude, because you want to sound like you know how it's gonna go down @ Washington, but you really don't have a clue. Do ya? Your coach hasn't done anything... and I see better days @ Montlake then I could say for Pullman.
The problems on defense were greater than the defensive coordinator. To make any real improvement will require replacing, at the very least, the entire defensive coaching unit. There was sloppy play on the d-line, linebackers and safeties out of position, as well as OLBs and CBs covering the wrong people. If you watch the UW's final defensive effort in the Apple Cup you can see all of that on one play IN GAME 12. All those postions are coached by different people.
Unless Baer was the positions coach for every defensive position all you will see is the same mistakes made by new people.
You like to say that I now nothing about the UW and then try and make it seem like you know something about WSU. Then you go and ask what Wulff has ever done. He was Big Sky coach of the year 3 times. Had 54 All-Americans from 21 players. EWU was the number 1 team offensively when Wulff coached the O-line. He was also a 4 year starter and an All-American center at WSU.
Who did EWU play against again? One things for sure. We both know our schools. but it was you that tried to crossover and tried to educate a UW fan about UW. How much sense does that make? I didn't interrupt any Wsu conversation, did I? Baer was the def. coordinator. That means a whole lot. So if you wanna say the entire def coaches are to blame, then why do you wanna give so much credit to Wulff when he was only one coach @ EWU.
Baer is just one person. Wulff is just one person. When Baer was given the boot only one new person was brought in. When Wulff came from Eastern he brought most of his coaching staff with him. I only give credit where credit is due. When you have the number 1 offense in the country the o-line deserves alot of the credit and the o-line coach is the guy that makes it all happen. He was Big Sky coach of the year 3 times, that speaks for itself.
It doesn't matter who they played if they won. They made it to the playoffs and lost in the final moments to App. State. You know, then two time defending National Champion, now 3 time defending National Champion App. State.
Yep, that's great and all. But can he win in the Pac 10? We will have to see. Im sure it's a lot easier to move down a level and coach, but movin up to the bigger leagues will be a bumpier road. Don't cha think?
Can Wulff win in the Pac 10? Can Tressel win in the Big 10? He moved from a succesful 1-AA program to a big conference and won a National Championship within 2 years. Moving up is tough and I don't expect the same immediate success from Wulff but to think he can't win at a higher level is idiotic. Everyone moves up at some point. It's not easy but it is necessary.
yea sure. Tressel, you're lone example. He inherited a program that can recruit and hand pick just about any kid in the country. Do you think WSU can match the tradition and atmosphere that OSU has? Wulff has the potential but he's gonna need talent too.
see, we have the same concept. I blame Baer for the defense, you credit Wulff for EWU offense. but since you're a coug, somehow you assume that logic doesn't apply to a former UW coach.
Who's your qb again? You never answered.. I'd take Locker over ANY of your qbs. I don't care if you think he is one dimensional. He's pretty damn good.
As of right now it is Rogers. It could end up being Lobbestael or Levenseller though. They are all respectably mobile QB's with great arms. Unlike your overhyped RB. He is pretty damn good, just put him at running back where he belongs and put someone with an arm under center and the UW would have one of if not the best offense in the Pac. As I said before the UW being bad doesn't benefit either the UW or WSU. I want to see both go to Pullman next year 11-0. That would 101 that much sweeter.
overhyped? He earned pac 10 freshman of the year. I think he deserved it. He carried that team last year. But I sure hope teams next year have your mentality of the Huskies cause it will make it that much easier for our new stars to emerge. boy oh boy, i can't wait.
The real question isn't who WSU's QB will be. It is who is going to be UW's RB, WR corps, and O-line. WSU has an offense with a QB penciled in. UW has Locker and a bunch of question marks. Then there is the little thing about defense and special teams.
RB? O-line? Just because WSU had a young, inexperienced secondary is no excuse for your seniors to play grab ass. This is not a WSU vs. UW thing, it's a football thing. That's the whole reason for this argument. Just because you watch football doesn't mean you understand football. UW fans make this painfully obvious with their "we have Locker, we're gonna be good" bullshit. One player cannot make a team.
The one player cannot make a team was in reference to the mistaken belief that many huskies hold that locker is some kind of football deity sent to restore divine glory to their program. One player cannot and will not do that. I think you need to read more carefully. RB? O-line? D-line? DE's? CB's? S's? MLB's? OLB's? Those are questions that definitly need answering.
Nate Williams. Victor Aieywa. Mason Foster. Donald Butler. Cameron Elisara. Tyrone Duncan. Daniel Teo' Neshiem The Oline is huge. Scott Shugert. Juan Garcia. BEn Ossai. Ryan Tolar & Casey Bulyca. This will be the year the Huskies will break out of their funk.
You know what's funny, you like to say that all huskies believe in just Locker. I didn't even mention Locker first, you did. But you know, if Locker was wearing crimson and grey~ you would be singin a different tune.
Yes I would. It would sound something like "Can you believe this running back we have?" I didn't mention locker first. That came from your camp, not necessarily you in particular, but your camp in general. They've been talking about him for 3 years now. What's funny is WSU has a guy that is faster than him and is one of the best passers I have seen in a while, at any level.
That's exactly the point. It's never wise to hype a player straight out of highschool. I will merely comment on this player's speed and throwing abilities. You will learn his name soon enough.
Im not interested anymore means that maybe there was something about WSu that you could explain to me would be special, but after all of your rambling... I was right in the beginning. WSU is just as boring as the town it resides in. Blah. The Huskies season will be much more exciting than what will be in Pullman.
If you're not going to take the time to actually read and comprehend what I am telling you, than, I won't bother to write anything further. Have fun at Oregon.
FYI, exciting is not synonymous with productive or succesful.
I will enjoy it. I tend to like hard fought games between two evenly matched and complementary teams. OK St. will be a challenge, but the only way to improve is to continually challenge yourself.
My point exactly. Washington is continually scheduling tough games out of conference. and last year schedule was def one of the toughest in the nation, if not the toughest... That is back to my first post on this thread. Thanks!
"2007 is over. UW had the toughest schedule in the country and finished 4-9."
Thank you for finally saying it right. My initial argument had less to do with what you said than how you said it. UW's schedule was difficult but it was not THE most difficult. Being somewhat competitive against good teams does not mean you were a good team. It just means you stepped it up. The UW has a history of playing up and down to their opponents. That, IMO is not indicative of a good or well coached team.
helmet to helmet doesn't matter at all on a ball-carrier. at that point, Locker was a ball carrier and you can hit him anywhere you want to. the only thing is...you cant throw the crown of your helmet into his head or use the helmet as a "weapon". thats the rule. so this was a perfectly legal hit.
eKriZZLe 8 months ago
Any football player who doesn't think helmet to helmet feels good is a flaming faggot. Period.
whdunkley789 10 months ago 2
Ofcourse it was a helmet to helmet, but that happens. Hell, it happened to me numerous times in high school, and it makes a thick THUD sound and then your neck and head hurt, but this was not deliberate. Bakc then, Jake refused to slide or go out of bounds,.. plus, hw as the ONLY QB in the PAC!0 to NOT have a QB coach, because Willingham was such a moron.
...a guy like Lockefr, and no coach. My Lord.
oscarboy2323 1 year ago
thats a husky being a bitch fan hit...
wazzu17 1 year ago
Gah I hate FSN, and their announcers SUCK!
Xuande12 1 year ago
Jake locker even said it wasn't the hit it was the way he fell. And besides this Is college football not little pee wee crap people get hurt
blakeballer6 1 year ago
@blakeballer6
haha Im watching a Wisconsin player go on the stretcher because of a helmet to helmet. This is college football! where getting paralyzed means your a MAN! Not some crap pee wee football.
Rac665 1 year ago
Everyone here DOES realize that there is no such thing as a helmet to helmet infraction on the ball carrier right? Helmet to Helmet only protects receivers in the act of catching, and quarterbacks.
ruff3651 1 year ago
i was at that game and that hit happend right in front of me. Locker lowered his head and Afalava had a clean hard hit and popped him with his shoulder.
osubeavs721 1 year ago
@osubeavs721 The video is right here it clearly shows two helmets hitting I dont understand why some of you always feel the need to call out helmet to helmet contact like you are experts at it. It's not on purpose here but why would you lie to try and justify the hit like it was really the shoulder that hit first?
jraybay 1 year ago
@jraybay its not a helmet to helmet, the angle you see it at it LOOKS like it, it wasnt a helmet to helmet. clean hit by AL
osubeavs721 1 year ago
@osubeavs721 Sorry guy but it blatently shows two helmets hitting and nowhere does he hit him with his shoulder first. I understand it happens all the time in football but dont lie about it to try and justify it like its a good hit man.
jraybay 1 year ago
@jraybay when a QB passes the line of scrimmage, he can be hit anywhere a RB can be hit. so this was a great hit. kept his head up and everything. know your rules before you start posting dribble.
eKriZZLe 8 months ago
@eKriZZLe First of all I was wondering who would step up and nominate themselves as "captain obvious" congrats. Secondly I already said here that it wasn't on purpose obviously proper tackling form requires you to keep your head up, you knew that too right. thirdly in todays game they're gona call most helmet to helmet contact in an effort to cut down on concussions Jake is also a quarterback so he's gona get some calls his way from time to time.
jraybay 8 months ago
@eKriZZLe Just going off of todays standards on head shots which is very tight. also it shows two helmets hitting i'm just saying why deny it like it never happened? Unfortunate that Jake ducked into it.
jraybay 8 months ago
i didn't realize that you wore a helmet on your shoulder..
steveharv147 1 year ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
al afalva is a shitty scumbag go ducks
bball912 2 years ago
I must have missed it
mckerob 2 years ago 2
Um, if helmet to helmet is such a big problem, they can use external padding on the helmets like the player from the 49ers does. helmets are shiny weapons. quit blaming players for helmet to helmet bull. They are given weapons are are stupid to not use them in a combat sport. Modify the outside of the helmets and there wont be such a problem with it. 2 hard objects bounce really hard off each other. put a little exterior on the helmet and the time of impact would be greater, reducing injury
shrewbob 3 years ago
you myfriend are a fucking idiot average hit on an nfl running back is like hittin a wall at 25mph u put on a football helmet with a littlpe padding get in a car and have a metal pole hit you across the facemask at 25mph u will be severly injured if they dont stop helmet to helmet contact someone WILL be killed i cant believe that u even said that ur forgetting the momentum a 250lb person running at at 250lb person has at the point of impact
balla32636 2 years ago
people get killed every week cuz of this 3 weeks ago a high school kick returner from spokane died because he hit with his head down, and the previous week we were playing cedarcrest freshman game and the kid came in with his head down and my friend hit him the kid was airlifted to hospital with a spinal injury and a severe concussion shrewbob really doesnt know a thing
a3nikevm 2 years ago
external pads? ha yeah right u dont know what ur tlkin bout
kookoo445 2 years ago
its the momentum that causes injury when you hit helmet to helmet the momentum causes injury. with padded on the outside it wouldnt make any difference but make your head a heavier more destructible object. and wtf do you mean by a combat sport?
a3nikevm 2 years ago
it doesn't matter it'll only cushion the blow to the persons head it won't stop it from moving the persons neck and possibly causing damage to the persons neck and spine
101Unit101 2 years ago
your a moron bob.
Fenix471 2 years ago
im a husky fan and a jake locker fan...but that wasnt helmet to helmet.
Jakeh211 3 years ago 5
your a smart man.
zmoore83 3 years ago
@Jakeh211 How can you say its not Helmet to helmet when clearly the two helmets collide? wtf
jraybay 1 year ago
@Jakeh211 But it is... the video shows that it is, unless you were watching a different hit.
puddingpants7 1 year ago
wats with all these cheap shots on jake locker?
jrrsas 3 years ago
that was not a cheap shot these guys play FOOTBALL, guys are gonna get hit.
zmoore83 3 years ago
i kno dude, i play football, i was messing around its just there are a million videos saying this and that on jake locker, was a sarcastic comment, this wasnt helmet to helmet
jrrsas 3 years ago
jrrsas you fool
zipper2k8 2 years ago
THAT WASNT HELMET TO HELMET!!! thats a good form tackle. jack locker is a pussy!!!
ephraimmanu 3 years ago
fuck you hes my cousin...
Jaelraek 3 years ago
i dont give a fuck if he's your cousin ... i'd hit u even harder if we was on the football together ...
ephraimmanu 3 years ago
Man fuck you. Apparently you have no respect for anyone. How would you like me to give you a concussion? How would you feel when I say Ohh he deserved it... He was being a little BITCH. ohh Yea Jake is four times the athlete you'll ever be.
Jaelraek 3 years ago 2
im 10 times the athlete YOU WILL EVER BE!!! so keep watching the college games on TV and keep wishing you were on the college level like me.
ephraimmanu 3 years ago
I wonder what level ephraimmanu is, compared to Locker..
lvlik3l 3 years ago
Very immature comment.
lvlik3l 3 years ago
i live in ferndale and watched jake in almost every game as a sophmore, junior,senior and his first year at uw, i've met him a number of times and know that he never goes down, he goes down if he's knocked out or is physically unable to get up, which was the case here, i want to see this happen to you and see what you would do.
cooperer26 3 years ago
its his fault he lowered his head
OStateBalla14 3 years ago
ya the best team ever CHARGERS SUCK AND BRONCOS
10RAIDERNATION10 3 years ago
i no al avalavas brother. he goes to my high school kahuku. i also played football with him. And by the way that was a clean shot against jake locker.
hauulachamp96717 3 years ago
Al Afalava is a BAMF
OSUBeaver4Life 3 years ago 6
There's no way an actual football fan could watch this play and call it dirty. That UW has sunk so far its fans are grasping for straws like this is just sad. Afalava is just making the play like he's supposed to. Locker made a terrible decision to cut back when he should have seen 2 more defenders waiting to level him. Locker's a stud but he needs to realize he's not superman.
nsacres 3 years ago
LOL, I was wrong. Actually all 11 members of OSU's defense were within 5 yards of Locker's cutback. He didn't deserve to get hurt but when you make decisions like that it's gonna happen from time to time.
nsacres 3 years ago
According to Steele, Georgia comes in with the third toughest schedule this season, behind Washington and Arkansas. What's interesting is that all of the teams mentioned in the preseason mix to make a run at the BCS title game show up well in Steele's rankings - none are outside the toughest 35.
per Phil Steele
lvlik3l 3 years ago
georgia is a bunch of fucking pussies. They play georgia southern and central mighigan. And also play 7 home games. Real football teams play 6 and 6. 6 home...6 away. And they dont schedule 2 creampuffs. That pisses me off. Y do they think they are so special as to get 2 easy wins and one extra home game.
turbonegro821 3 years ago
osu doesn't have the highest homosexuality rate. man you're an idiot.
turtle731 3 years ago
why is afalava the dumbest player alive? does he not realize that he could kill not only an opposing player but also himself. hes gonna be paralyzed one of these days haha did u see the hit on maehl? or however u spell it funny thing is i went to high school with jefferey maehl and i cant spell it!
ThaVyrus 3 years ago
That hit on Maehl or wat ever the hell his name is is BULL SHIT. He obviously lead wit his shoulder, and becasue of the force of the impact his head went forward a little bit and might have tapped Maehl's helmet.
BSUOSUlover 3 years ago
stop bitchin, they won the game no big deal get over it maybe it was a bad call when its slowed down it looks like it was a helmet to helmet, all i can say for u oregon state fans is get over it.
ThaVyrus 3 years ago
wait wait wait wait.... OSU fans get over it? Uhhh OSU won bro... obviously you know nothing about this game...
OSUBeaver4Life 3 years ago
ya but osu sucks SO GET OVER IT
10RAIDERNATION10 3 years ago
coming from a raider fan...
DaPig23 3 years ago
I know they won the game,I'm sayin' stop arguin' with the fact that it was a fuckin' helmet to helmet
ThaVyrus 3 years ago
but you should have seen him in high school....he was taking cheap shots every game...its cuz all the teams are scared!
gangstagangsta011 2 years ago
OMG Beaver bitches stfu!! The entire country knows that the Oregon State campus has the highest homosexuality rate in the country. 36%to be exact. So you have no room to talk since the beavers are queer bitches.
chasesniper81 3 years ago
completely made up numbe right there, with a fact that is totally off. Ever heard of University of San Francisco "Gay america"?
BSUOSUlover 3 years ago
He had it coming. Thats what happens when your QB is also your running game. It was bound to happen.
gr1ffin2 3 years ago
You can't say that to justify this kind of hit. It's true that as a running QB Jake Locker has and will take alot of punishment by defenses. But the diff. between most hits that Locker has taken and this one is that this hit was a helmet to helmet hit - which is illegal. Those type of hits are dangerous to both the tackler and the runner because the tackler risks major head, neck and spinal injury to both himself and the player that he is tackling.
jym16 3 years ago
No, that is not an illegal hit Because He did not lead with the crown of hsi helmet.His facemask glanced the top of his helmet
BSUOSUlover 3 years ago
The whole point of my first post was that UW has one of the toughest schedules in the country, if not the toughest
You wanna argue with me, but since you rep WSU. you can't really say much because at least UW was in just about every game except ASU. I sure wish I could say the same for your squad. What happened to the Cougs against
Wisconsin (L) 42-21 great debut
USc (L) 47-14 ouch
Arizona (L) 48-20 oye
Oregon (L) 53-7 y'all didn't have a chance
OSU (L) 52-17 damn
oh, what were you sayin again?
lvlik3l 3 years ago
to quote, "somethings special's about to happen in Washington...." @ Washington, son.
class dismissed.
lvlik3l 3 years ago
I believe the quote you were looking for was "[s]omething very special is about to happen to the world of collegiate football in the state of Washington". If your going to use my words use my words. If your going to paraphrase don't call it a quote. I don't care if you paraphrase, but don't claim your words as mine. Thank you.
What is the highest English class you've taken?
kboanddbo 3 years ago
do i really need to go back to your actual quote? come on dawg, i think we both have more goin on in our lives than to cover every little aspect.
first off, you came on here tryin to take credit away from UW having a tough schedule.
all i said was, Uw had one of the hardest if not hardest schedule in the country.
Ohio State, Boise State, Hawaii... all while having to play a very tough pac 10 schedule. you should know.
and like i said before, Uw will surprise next season.
lvlik3l 3 years ago
If your going to qoute you sure as hell do. That's what makes it a qoute. Try asking one of your professers that question. That would win you some major points.
kboanddbo 3 years ago
At the end of the day a loss is a loss. I'm glad to see that the Huskies beat USC, Arizona, Oregon, and OSU. Oh, they didn't. My bad. The Wisconson game was fairly similar to your Ohio State game (close until the 4th quarter). WSU was a young team so I expected them to get slapped around last year. No more excuses now though. I won't defend crappy performances and Doba is gone, mostly as a result of those. Now it's time to look to the future. Or are you to busy living in the past now?
kboanddbo 3 years ago
ha! thanks for playn bro. so when i speak your language, you wanna play it off like I live in the past? what a joke.
and by the way... it's you livin in the past. or do you really want me to go back just to quote you? nah, i got more things to do.
we can go back and forth all year long.
but to be honest... it's gettin boring. and we still got the whole summer to debate. I just can't wait til football season starts. and don't worry, I'll remember you.
lvlik3l 3 years ago
Qoute away. Like I said, those who don't understand history are doomed to repeat it. Looking into the future through rose colored glasses while completely disregarding the past is a disaster waiting to happen. You might also remember me saying I thought that talking about the past was the only thing that most husky fans understand. I have only been talking about the past since it's all huskies know. Talking about the future to you would be like going to China and screaming at people in Duetsch.
kboanddbo 3 years ago
so are you lookin into the future through the same rose colored glasses too?
I hope there is a day that both UW and WSU meet in the apple cup both 11-0. Can you imagine how much shit that we would say to each other?
UW will be back to the top of the conference, and it will be before WSU does. I bet you wanna say something about that.
lvlik3l 3 years ago
"UW will be back to the top of the conference, and it will be before WSU does."
Back it up with a reason. I would much rather have an intelligent, informed conversation than listen to your mindless, illinformed rable.
kboanddbo 3 years ago
What's your intelligent, informed reason that WSU will be back?
lvlik3l 3 years ago
Can you not read or do you just have a very short attention span? Coaching, experience, and leadership to name a few. Please review prior arguments before you ask stupid questions again.
kboanddbo 3 years ago
Who's experienced? Your coach is new to the D1 football. He wont be successful right away. Not with the lack of experience @ qb.
lvlik3l 3 years ago
The RB's, WR's, and O-line are experienced. That makes the QB's job much easier. With a good o-line he has more time to make decisions and with good recievers he has a little more cushion. The players on defense have a few games under their belts as well.
Did I miss something? Wulff coached at EWU. EWU is a Division 1 FCS team. How is that not D1 experience?
kboanddbo 3 years ago
There's a BIG difference between the teams he has faced compared to what he will face this year.
lvlik3l 3 years ago
There's a huge difference between the depth of talent he will have at WSU and what he had at Eastern. I will argue, and there are many who agree on this point, that the level of competition that exists in D1AA, DII, and DIII far surpasses that of D1A. The teams might not be as talented but they are more evenly matched. In order to have consistant success, such as Wulff had, you have to be a damn good coach.
kboanddbo 3 years ago
He hasn't proven anything at WSU. There's nothing else to say about it. And his name isn't Jim Tressel... and he most likley won't ever be mentioned in the same sentence as Tressel.
lvlik3l 3 years ago
No shit, he hasn't coached a game yet. Much less a season or a whole group of his recruits. Why the hell are you talking about Tressel now? Wulff has proven himself at Eastern (9 years, Big Sky Coach of the year 4 times, 8 winning seasons, and 3 playoff appearances in 4 years). Tressel was mentioned as a precedent, not an indicator of expected performance. I believe I said that when I wrote that post
kboanddbo 3 years ago
Wanna debate on whether or not Wrlff's EWU teams coulda beat WSUck this year?
lvlik3l 3 years ago
You keep ramblin about who's stupid or not. Do you have low self esteem? We'll get to see what happens this fall.
lvlik3l 3 years ago
We'll get to see what happens this fall.
lvlik3l 3 years ago
Understand that you don't know what you are talking about. Roper is a one hit wonder. To have all american receivers and a first round draft pick for a rb... they make the job easier. okay mr. history major... who's gonna be WSU's qb? Brink was pretty good and experienced. and whose trying the same thing over at Montlake, buddy? obviously you have a hard time keeping up because you live in the past. I hope you can keep up to see that things will be much better in Huskyland. keep in touch!
lvlik3l 3 years ago
hey, give some credit to Notre Dame. They beat duke lol
bwestfan08 3 years ago
ok, first of all, he is always getting laid out cause he is taking risks and caringing the whole team. second, he isnt amazing? list some names then to back your arguement up, their is no one his age in college above him, a couple are at his level, but not above. and all the people just talking crap about the huskies are just scared of jake's potential lol, best QB in pac 10, soon to be best in the country.
ihateu3311 3 years ago
clean hit...
MIATheU 3 years ago 2
Great Job Al. Nice hit on a tough QB.
laiepoint 4 years ago
that is why u ddont lower your head locker im surprise that it wasnt worse of an injury i wish it was
quazzer7 4 years ago
You wish it was a worse injury? You are a sick person...
specialedster 3 years ago
I didnt realize I could hold my breath for that long. The entire time he was down there wasnt a single noise in my house
1huskiesfan 4 years ago 2
If I see any one saying this wuz jake lockers fault i will be so freaken mad because that guy who hit him didnt even get flagged!!!!!!!!!!!!And he shouldnt even been flagged he should of been throughn out
coupevillepride 4 years ago
ya right like he meant to.go beavers boo huskies
OStateBalla14 4 years ago
this was jake lockers fault
BSUOSUlover 4 years ago
Guys, don't blame the huskies losing record on the players. They had more than enough talent to be the best team in the Pac 10...but the coaching was the worst. Whether or not it was Willingham as head coach, or the TE or Defensive Coordinator (Kent Baer, who was fired THANK GOD), you have to give the huskies players credit for never giving up, even when the play calling consisted of run up the middle, run up the middle, pass, punt. You can't win ball games that way.
VHBravo1 4 years ago
Announcers never understand the rules.
zwilson56 4 years ago
the announcers don't know SQUAT about football. WASHINGTON HUSKIES RULE.
EverythingMedia 4 years ago
thats petro pakadis for USC great....dont hate
pizzaisyummy86 4 years ago
When you type Jake Locker in YT search it's nothing but hits on him. There could be 2 reasons, either no one likes Jake Locker or he's just an easy target.
ChelNam 4 years ago
no one likes jake locker
Oregonducks818 4 years ago
i like jake locker. so you're wrong there.
pablodiva11 4 years ago
pablo, you're nobody. Oregonducks818, your point still stands.
bassbonebobo 4 years ago
Jake Locker seems like a really nice guy. In all of his interviews he has nothing but good things to say.
Typical ducks fan....
waxnator 4 years ago
ouch man. i dont really hate jake locker. im just messin with the fuskies.
Oregonducks818 4 years ago
You two would love Jake if he woulda went to Duckland. Just like we wouldve love J Stewart if he stayed home.
lvlik3l 3 years ago
it's because jake's the only threat on the team. he's the only thing standing in the way of their win.
metalisthelife54 4 years ago
Helmet to helmet is legal unless its the qb as a passer or a defenseless receiver. That was totally legal. Locker needs to learn to slide.
zwilson56 4 years ago
Actually, it's never legal if it's deliberate, but this wasn't, so it's a moot point.
crazysox 4 years ago
You're referring to spearing, I assume? Yes, you're right- if he intentionally led with his helmet- but hitting helmet to helmet is in no way illegal when a player is acting as a runner- that's my point.
zwilson56 4 years ago
The refs COULD have called unnecessary roughness by terms of leading with his helmet, but they did not, and that's that.
VHBravo1 4 years ago
locker will be the tebow of the pac-10 next year, probably the smartest qb in the conference but needs to be more consistant. i'm gonna go out of the blue and say washington finishes at least 3rd next year in the pac-10.
mtatum03 4 years ago 2
it could happen if:
usc, ucla, cal, and arizona state are all sanctioned by the ncaa and stripped of all their wins. AND then the oregon team plane crashes into reser stadium while the beavers are playing, tragically killing both teams. AND then the entire wsu team comes down with a severe case of 6 month diarrhea. Leaving only stanford and arizona to finish above you.
bassbonebobo 4 years ago
2007 is over. UW had the toughest schedule in the country and finished 4-9. I wouldn't say they are terrible because they were in the majority of the games this season but next season, UW may make a lot of noise in the Pac-10.
lvlik3l 4 years ago
actually i wouldnt say they had the hardest in the country, with a team like stanford playing the same teams... (except hawaii)
tkunke 4 years ago
Stanford didn't play anyone outside the conference nearly as good as Ohio State and even Boise St. for that matter... if its not the hardest it was definitely one of the hardest schedules... USC couldn't run that table. Oregon couldn't, Tennessee couldn't. I mean, you get the point that I was tryin to address. I can't wait til next year.
lvlik3l 4 years ago
failing miserably against every moderately talented team you play does not mean your schedule was tough. if you dont start recruiting on defense all you will do is make noise. offense sells tickets, defense wins ball games. fuskies have no defense and, what a shock, terrible records.
kboanddbo 4 years ago
2007 is over kbo. Are you saying that schedule isn't tough? I think Ohio State is tough. USC is tough. Oregon with Dixon were pretty darn good. hey, your line about offense sells tix and def wins ball games is old and it doesn't apply here. All i'm saying is wait til next year.
lvlik3l 4 years ago
Yes, Ohio State, USC, and Oregon are tough. But, you played all of them in your own 70 thousand plus seat stadium, which levels the field somewhat. Your offense did a damn respectable job, scoring 72 points against those three defenses. That probably sold a few tix. But your defense gave up 115 points. How many of those games did you win? All I'm saying is that if you don't recruit defensive players you can't expect to improve.
kboanddbo 4 years ago
see... there's a difference between failing miserably and doing a damn respectable job. last year is over. I'm not complaining. I just can't wait for the new season to begin.
lvlik3l 4 years ago
Yes there is a difference. Offense: respectable. Defense: utter failure. Special Teams: utter failure. Coaching: utter failure. Team as whole: miserable failure. You keep saying that 2007 is over. Who the hell is arguing against that point? Going back to the defensive recruiting point, the Fuskies dropped the ball again. I will be shocked if they do much better than 4-8 in 08.
kboanddbo 4 years ago 2
Too bad UW doesn't schedule creampuffs for their out of conference games.
#1 Toughest schedule in 2007.
And it doesn't get any easier in 2008.
randycapped 4 years ago 2
prepare to be shocked. besides what can anyone do about the past? I'm saying to wait til this year. Did you see the incoming recruiting class? We'll see who drops the ball next season. hey, it could be worse. We could've had NOtre Dame's season. Yuck. You talk like the Huskies played an easy schedule. Give credit where credit is due. You diss them on almost every level but yet they gave USC Ohio St. a tough battle. They shouldve beaten Oregon St. but w/o Jake is was too tough.
lvlik3l 3 years ago
Have you seen the UW recruiting classes every year for the last 15 years. If thats all your going by the huskies should have been in the top 20 every year. I never said anything about them having an easy schedule. I made a comment about failing miserably against moderately talented teams. Someone else decided to bring up USC OSU and UO. I guess I should give them credit for beating the perrenial powerhouses Syracuse and Stanford. They should get a ticker tape parade for those W's
kboanddbo 3 years ago
yeah.. it's ok to have a personal vendetta against UW. Every school goes thru a funk at any point. you can enjoy all that you've seen as of late. All im saying is, things will be better at Montlake. you don't know much about UW recruiting because they had a lot of solid recruits that either choose to play baseball, got injured, or didn't make it into school...
lvlik3l 3 years ago
I must be reading this wrong. It looks like you just said the UW recruited lots of good players. But that they all got hurt, could not meet minimum entrance requirements, or flat out refused to play football for UW.
I haven't enjoyed the failed attempts at mediocrity as of late. It would be nice if the Apple Cup could have some national implications. I would love nothing more than 11-0 v. 11-0 with a NC bid on the line.
kboanddbo 3 years ago
i beleive we played in the pac 10 also. You didn't deserve to be in this ball game, the reffs handed it to your, and you still couldn't take it
BSUOSUlover 4 years ago
whether or not the huskies deserved to be in this ballgame is all relative. Oregon didn't deserve to win that Oklahoma game two years back but what can we do? 2007 is over. Let the new season begin already. Jake Locker will be a force to reckon with in 2008.
lvlik3l 4 years ago
he might be if he learned to throw the ball.
VikingPie28 3 years ago
He will be and much to kboanddbo's surprise. UW will make some positive strides and shock a lot of teams next year.
lvlik3l 3 years ago
UW lost their "veteran" secondary, d-line, wr corps, rb and most of the o-line. If 4-9 is all they could muster I wouldn't hold high hopes for the underclassmen. Although, to be fair, any slight improvement over last place could be claimed as a positive stride. If all you're going to throw at me is a QB that couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat I'm not to scared. Your incoming "duel-threat" proved himself to be a one trick pony. Now he's lost that one trick. Just tackle him like a RB.
kboanddbo 3 years ago
You bad mouth the 2007 unit as much as you want, but they aren't playin next season. Wait til August rolls around. if Oregon doesn't get Pryor, they will be humiliated at home the first game of the season by UW. One trick pony... ha, Jake's gonna have a lot of help this upcoming season... ever hear of Chris Polk, Kavario Middleton and Anthony Boyles? You will soon see then.
lvlik3l 3 years ago
The problem isn't the 07 unit its the fact that most of 08 rode pine all last year, except for garbage time. You can't replace experience with fresh faces. The UW of all schools should have learned that one QB does make that much of an improvement. 5-7 to 4-9 is a bit of a step backwards. If Roper has another Sun Bowl-esque day and the Ducks can run it at all they will put up 50, easy. How does adding 2 WR's and a TE help improve the secondary, much less the defense as a whole?
kboanddbo 3 years ago
Woops! That should read, "The UW of all schools should have learned that one QB does NOT make that much of an improvement."
kboanddbo 3 years ago
You can talk about the past all you want. It's the future that will be different. btw, 2007's schedule was way tougher than the previous if you wanna go back. How will the ducks run all day? they don't have jonathan stew, or dixon commandin the offense.
lvlik3l 3 years ago
This is where it pays to read CAREFULLY. The point is they don't have to run all day. They have to run a little bit. Just enough to keep the d-line honest and hang the fuskie secondary out to dry. If that happens and Roper has a decent day at QB there isn't much the huskies can do to stop them. Locker can and will put up points, but I doubt he can put up 50 to answer Oregon.
As for talking about the past. I thought that was all husky fans were capable of.
kboanddbo 3 years ago
So I guess that makes you a Husky fan, by your definition. Welcome to the team! and enjoy the upcoming season.
lvlik3l 3 years ago
No. I'm simply trying to communicate to you in the only language you know. Though, it appears that you don't even know that to well.
Don't jump to conclusions or try and put words in my mouth. If you want my definition of husky fan then go ahead and ask for it.
kboanddbo 3 years ago
To talk to you is pointless. You like to talk about the past. I like to talk about the future. I can only hope you can understand that you can't do anything about what has already happened. unless of course, you have some kinda device of time travel.
enjoy last season bro.
lvlik3l 3 years ago
Those who do not understand the past are doomed to repeat it. Until the UW can figure out why they have been so miserable as of late they will not be able to improve. They continue to commit the same mistakes year after year. To try the same thing over and over hoping for a different outcome is, by definition, insanity. I don't like talking about the past except in the context of understanding history. It looks you can't understand that so I'm discontiuing this exercise in futility.
kboanddbo 3 years ago
PS
I will very much enjoy next season. Something very special is about to happen to the world of collegiate football in the state of Washington. Unfortunately, for you, it will be happening in Pullman and not on Montswamp.
kboanddbo 3 years ago
Wow. That's gotta be your most idiotic post in recent memory. College football in Wsu is gonna be something special? What a joke. kbo, if you wanna put the DUB down, at least know the facts. UW just hired a NEW Def. Coordinator. But you're prolly too Coug-washed to realize. Please explain to all of us about what is gonna be special in WSU.
lvlik3l 3 years ago
The UW replaced one person in a program that is rotting from the top down. Willingham and his teams have proven time and again the lack of leadership and coaching ability that this man brings to the table. WSU has entirely restructured their program with a coach that knows the region, the school, how to recruit and most importantly how to coach. Last I checked replacing all but two coaches was more of a change than martyring one. Baer had problems but he was not THE problem.
kboanddbo 3 years ago
do you remember what you first pointed out? you talked about the defense. How defense wins championships, well, Tyrone replaced his defensive coordinator with an experienced and proven professional coach...that itself is a big step towards the right direction. you're funny dude, because you want to sound like you know how it's gonna go down @ Washington, but you really don't have a clue. Do ya? Your coach hasn't done anything... and I see better days @ Montlake then I could say for Pullman.
lvlik3l 3 years ago
The problems on defense were greater than the defensive coordinator. To make any real improvement will require replacing, at the very least, the entire defensive coaching unit. There was sloppy play on the d-line, linebackers and safeties out of position, as well as OLBs and CBs covering the wrong people. If you watch the UW's final defensive effort in the Apple Cup you can see all of that on one play IN GAME 12. All those postions are coached by different people.
kboanddbo 3 years ago
Unless Baer was the positions coach for every defensive position all you will see is the same mistakes made by new people.
You like to say that I now nothing about the UW and then try and make it seem like you know something about WSU. Then you go and ask what Wulff has ever done. He was Big Sky coach of the year 3 times. Had 54 All-Americans from 21 players. EWU was the number 1 team offensively when Wulff coached the O-line. He was also a 4 year starter and an All-American center at WSU.
kboanddbo 3 years ago
Who did EWU play against again? One things for sure. We both know our schools. but it was you that tried to crossover and tried to educate a UW fan about UW. How much sense does that make? I didn't interrupt any Wsu conversation, did I? Baer was the def. coordinator. That means a whole lot. So if you wanna say the entire def coaches are to blame, then why do you wanna give so much credit to Wulff when he was only one coach @ EWU.
lvlik3l 3 years ago
Baer is just one person. Wulff is just one person. When Baer was given the boot only one new person was brought in. When Wulff came from Eastern he brought most of his coaching staff with him. I only give credit where credit is due. When you have the number 1 offense in the country the o-line deserves alot of the credit and the o-line coach is the guy that makes it all happen. He was Big Sky coach of the year 3 times, that speaks for itself.
kboanddbo 3 years ago
It doesn't matter who they played if they won. They made it to the playoffs and lost in the final moments to App. State. You know, then two time defending National Champion, now 3 time defending National Champion App. State.
kboanddbo 3 years ago
Yep, that's great and all. But can he win in the Pac 10? We will have to see. Im sure it's a lot easier to move down a level and coach, but movin up to the bigger leagues will be a bumpier road. Don't cha think?
lvlik3l 3 years ago
Can Wulff win in the Pac 10? Can Tressel win in the Big 10? He moved from a succesful 1-AA program to a big conference and won a National Championship within 2 years. Moving up is tough and I don't expect the same immediate success from Wulff but to think he can't win at a higher level is idiotic. Everyone moves up at some point. It's not easy but it is necessary.
kboanddbo 3 years ago
yea sure. Tressel, you're lone example. He inherited a program that can recruit and hand pick just about any kid in the country. Do you think WSU can match the tradition and atmosphere that OSU has? Wulff has the potential but he's gonna need talent too.
lvlik3l 3 years ago
see, we have the same concept. I blame Baer for the defense, you credit Wulff for EWU offense. but since you're a coug, somehow you assume that logic doesn't apply to a former UW coach.
lvlik3l 3 years ago
Who's your qb again? You never answered.. I'd take Locker over ANY of your qbs. I don't care if you think he is one dimensional. He's pretty damn good.
lvlik3l 3 years ago
As of right now it is Rogers. It could end up being Lobbestael or Levenseller though. They are all respectably mobile QB's with great arms. Unlike your overhyped RB. He is pretty damn good, just put him at running back where he belongs and put someone with an arm under center and the UW would have one of if not the best offense in the Pac. As I said before the UW being bad doesn't benefit either the UW or WSU. I want to see both go to Pullman next year 11-0. That would 101 that much sweeter.
kboanddbo 3 years ago
overhyped? He earned pac 10 freshman of the year. I think he deserved it. He carried that team last year. But I sure hope teams next year have your mentality of the Huskies cause it will make it that much easier for our new stars to emerge. boy oh boy, i can't wait.
lvlik3l 3 years ago
The real question isn't who WSU's QB will be. It is who is going to be UW's RB, WR corps, and O-line. WSU has an offense with a QB penciled in. UW has Locker and a bunch of question marks. Then there is the little thing about defense and special teams.
kboanddbo 3 years ago
I already told you. Chris Polk, Anthony Boyles, Kavario Middleton. You really can't knock the Huskies defense. It's not like Wsu stopped anyone.
lvlik3l 3 years ago
RB? O-line? Just because WSU had a young, inexperienced secondary is no excuse for your seniors to play grab ass. This is not a WSU vs. UW thing, it's a football thing. That's the whole reason for this argument. Just because you watch football doesn't mean you understand football. UW fans make this painfully obvious with their "we have Locker, we're gonna be good" bullshit. One player cannot make a team.
kboanddbo 3 years ago
wow. did i say just one player. you need to read carefully.
lvlik3l 3 years ago
The one player cannot make a team was in reference to the mistaken belief that many huskies hold that locker is some kind of football deity sent to restore divine glory to their program. One player cannot and will not do that. I think you need to read more carefully. RB? O-line? D-line? DE's? CB's? S's? MLB's? OLB's? Those are questions that definitly need answering.
kboanddbo 3 years ago
Nate Williams. Victor Aieywa. Mason Foster. Donald Butler. Cameron Elisara. Tyrone Duncan. Daniel Teo' Neshiem The Oline is huge. Scott Shugert. Juan Garcia. BEn Ossai. Ryan Tolar & Casey Bulyca. This will be the year the Huskies will break out of their funk.
lvlik3l 3 years ago
You know what's funny, you like to say that all huskies believe in just Locker. I didn't even mention Locker first, you did. But you know, if Locker was wearing crimson and grey~ you would be singin a different tune.
lvlik3l 3 years ago
Yes I would. It would sound something like "Can you believe this running back we have?" I didn't mention locker first. That came from your camp, not necessarily you in particular, but your camp in general. They've been talking about him for 3 years now. What's funny is WSU has a guy that is faster than him and is one of the best passers I have seen in a while, at any level.
kboanddbo 3 years ago
Who?
lvlik3l 3 years ago
That's exactly the point. It's never wise to hype a player straight out of highschool. I will merely comment on this player's speed and throwing abilities. You will learn his name soon enough.
kboanddbo 3 years ago
Sorry. Im not interested anymore. I look forward to an interesting season. Go Huskies!
lvlik3l 3 years ago
If you weren't interested why did you ask? Your season will be interesting, if nothing else.
kboanddbo 3 years ago
Im not interested anymore means that maybe there was something about WSu that you could explain to me would be special, but after all of your rambling... I was right in the beginning. WSU is just as boring as the town it resides in. Blah. The Huskies season will be much more exciting than what will be in Pullman.
lvlik3l 3 years ago
If you're not going to take the time to actually read and comprehend what I am telling you, than, I won't bother to write anything further. Have fun at Oregon.
FYI, exciting is not synonymous with productive or succesful.
kboanddbo 3 years ago
Wsu's gonna have a tough time with OK. ST. Enjoy that game.
lvlik3l 3 years ago
I will enjoy it. I tend to like hard fought games between two evenly matched and complementary teams. OK St. will be a challenge, but the only way to improve is to continually challenge yourself.
kboanddbo 3 years ago
My point exactly. Washington is continually scheduling tough games out of conference. and last year schedule was def one of the toughest in the nation, if not the toughest... That is back to my first post on this thread. Thanks!
lvlik3l 3 years ago
"2007 is over. UW had the toughest schedule in the country and finished 4-9."
Thank you for finally saying it right. My initial argument had less to do with what you said than how you said it. UW's schedule was difficult but it was not THE most difficult. Being somewhat competitive against good teams does not mean you were a good team. It just means you stepped it up. The UW has a history of playing up and down to their opponents. That, IMO is not indicative of a good or well coached team.
kboanddbo 3 years ago
Who had a tougher schedule? Not many. if you can name some off the top of your head.
lvlik3l 3 years ago
Per the NCAA:
1. Virgina Tech
2. OK State
3. Texas A&M
4. Illinois
5. Florida
There are other opinion polls out there but this is the only one I have seen that gives any real statistical reasoning for its claims.
kboanddbo 3 years ago