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  • @Illuminatusi

    No dude youre making me laugh. Dont vote you say? Uh, yeah for one. Why would you think your vote counts in a two party(actually two faction of a one party) system? You think RP is the exception to the same political formula that has been being used for mellenia? Dont be so naive. Boycott the system and starve the beast. As for who to end the FED, its YOU. Stop using their BS paper as much as possible and use gold/silver/barter/whatever. STARVE THE BEAST.

  • @Illuminatusi

    Ron Paul's campaign contributors. BANKS AND THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX. You shill.

    double U Double U Double U (d o t) opensecrets (d o t) org/pres08/contrib(d o t)php?cycle=2008&cid=N00005906

  • @Illuminatusi

    Obama? Huckabee? Dont make me laugh. An idea as a solution, though tough to do and most likely impossible at this point, is to end debt based currency and fractional reserve banking practices. Thats a start.

    Think dude. I could care less if RP is a mason. His arguments dont add up either way. He says cut military budget and end the FED in the same speech. If you end the FED we esentially default(well, we already did in 1971) on our debt obligations. That means war. A big one

  • @Illuminatusi

    Happen to Google Ron Pauls campaign donors lately? Lol. Banks. Hes a double agent. Sorry bro. "Controlled opposition." A back up plan incase your sentiments go mainstream, which Im suprised that the are. I predicted last year RP would be the next Prez., then Martial Law. We'll see.

  • What part of "GANG" is NOT clear to MOST-AMERICANS & MEDIA?? Played Media hype, painting every stripe, Peeps led like sheep, fattened for the slaughter, Nation, Gang, Religion, Party, Fans... played and scammed, Looking cool, that's their golden rule, messing with your mind, pushing Drugs, Smoke, Pepsi & Coke, legal or not it's all the same BS dangling like the hang mans rope, As the Cult of Privilege and Fame, Puppets... The-Game... U-R Played Cradle 2 Grave... Unite the C.H.A.O.S.

  • i like how they call it a "gang"

  • Funny thing is that currently SS does not add a penny to the deficit. Cutting benefits would 1) continue to send surplus SS taxes to cover non-SS budget costs and 2) remove the obligation of the US to refund past surplus payments to future recipients. Remember, these codgers PAID for these benefits for thirty-five years. But alas, the American public has been completely duped, and duping them was as easy as exploiting their fear of a black president. Thank you, Tea Party.

  • It's not nonsense. It's not purposely misleading. It is a lie.

  • George Carlin called this 4 years ago. He said that after they bail out their Wall St friends and rob the public blind, that they would come for our Social Security, and that they would GET IT.

    Thanks for the heads up Georgie.

  • i wish they would stop using the term gang of 6. our neighborhoods have enough real gangs to worry about.

  • Fuck off obama bitch and those assholes called themselves gang of six they are assasinating the constitution when will the fucking government stopped corrupting are nation

  • Tax cuts for corporations and small businesses that outsource US jobs is the reason we're in this budget crisis in the 1st place. More of the same crap again! Medicare and SS, in fairness, do need to start at age 70. Medicaid and SSI should be available for cripples, but not lazy druggies that want crazy checks. Everybody needs to sacrifice: the rich and the rest of society.

  • @ebonics4everyone

    SSI isn't a crazy amount of money. Also by raising the age to 70 it doesn't help youth unemployment. It makes it worse.

  • The government we have now is like a fat woman trying to fit into skinny jeans while continuing to go to mcdonalds every day. For a while she might still be able to fit in the jeans, but if she continues getting fatter, they are going to explode. In this case they are saying they will go from big macs to chicken nuggets in a few years. If they are serious about shaking the debt they need to stop kidding themselves, grow some balls, and get out of mcdonalds and onto the treadmill.

  • The "gang of six" consists of 3 RINO's and 3 LIBERALS. There is no difference between a RINO republican and a LIBERAL democrat, so what you have are 6 LIBERALS attacking Social Security.

  • Obama just told the Republicans this week that he will sign off on cutting social security if it's part of their budget. Great coverage! Thanks!

  • 1 thing you got wrong about your analysis, his forfeiture of office is obvious. There was no preventing that with the nature of the presidency the banksters had planned for him to execute. He's still connected. He's looking at spending the rest of his life on easy street protected by the security bubble. He's just doing what the banksters tell him to do. He's not trying to win reelection, he never was. Smart politics does what the financial dominant orders. Not good living, but smart politics.

  • Great coverage

  • Warner did a great job as governor of VA. I would like for him to expand on his comments before dismissing him as a sellout.

  • @RealityGrapple ~ i never mentioned anything about rollbacks of social services in european countries. but yeah, there are fascist corporate austerity measures in europe as in america. the average european country has a 10% s.o.e.'s while america is 1%. the higher percentage of s.o.e's in a european country the higher economic growth, stability, and standard of living. america's economic woes started with right-wing trickle down economics in the 80's until our growth now reached zero.

  • @RealityGrapple ~ you're a leftist?! pleeeeze. you sound like a mccarthy fascist. nobody's doing anything but arguing the truth about the right-wing fallacy of free market america. it doesn't exist you buffoon, plus america only has 1% of the economy under s.o.e.'s. but amazingly idiots like you by the millions spout ignorant bullshit about socialism, communism, and who knows what. meanwhile european countries are eating our lunch economically while boobs like you chase squirrels.

  • @tomitstube POWER TO THE PEOPLE! RIGHT ON! FAR OUT!  ROFL. I wished you lived in one of these countries you spout about. RealityGrapple is just that. He is real and you are an idiot.

  • @tkcarr ~ stfu you idiot. you've been reduced to cheerleading for your imaginary friend? how pathetic.

  • @tomitstube Didn't I tell you earlier that I don't take orders from idiots? Is that all you've got? ROFL. I think Reality is right you are a kid who probably needs to be in school. Better yet, get a job and go to work. PEACE LOVE DOPE! POWER TO THE PEOPLE! LMAO.

  • @RealityGrapple ---

    Yes well as said, beneath all my introductory posts to various topics which can seem ridiculously generalizing I do have conversations with like-minded Americans as well, via PM or in the commentaries but from time to time, I retract but it's not really to be hurtful as much as slapping trolls, I am very much of the internet generation so it's not my intent to hurt people that deeply. :P

    But I do have serious opinions as well ofc, and will prioritate them instead then, :P

  • @RealityGrapple ---

    Ah believe it orn ot, I have begun transforming my posts into directed towards right-wing ideologies but obvious trolls like tkcarr I let my guard down and went straight back. Check out other videos and I am writing in an altered way, talking about right-öwing ideologies in front of nationalities.

  • @RealityGrapple ~ actually, it's you who are the stupid one. sweden is one of the most socialist countries in the world and they are kicking america's ass in every economic category, including wages, job growth, and standard of living. not to mention everyone is covered by health care and they have one of the best welfare states. and their socialist economy is growing at three times the rate of america.

  • Yes, it's very sad.

  • You are not entitled to the product of other people's labor by being old. TheYoungTurks are retarded. SS will bankrupt the government, and good ridance.

  • @Houshalter

    and you are not entitled to a publicly funded education at Party U with no social responsibility . SS is the investment of ppl who worked long and hard . It is THEIR money not yours .

  • @hieronomy You're absolutely right. It's not my money. It's not YOUR money. It's not some politicians money. It's not some bureaucrats money. It's their money! Only they can rightfully decide where and how to spend it. If they want to put it into some unstable bullshit ponzi scheme, let them.

  • @Houshalter

    The fuck it aint my money ! I worked for years and paid MY money into the system just like all ppl my age

  • @hieronomy and it went to the old people at that time. There's no way you can get more money out of the system than you put in. Since the money isn't there any more, it's to late.

  • @Houshalter

    It is an imperfect system of social cooperation , but essential and vital . what is the alternative ? You think its ok to let old ppl just die and starve after they have worked their whole life and paid a percentage of their labor into this system ? Would it be right to say to the young , tuff luck we won't help you get educated so that you can have a

    shot at a decent life ?

  • @hieronomy You can do what you want with your money, if you want to put it away or into a SS like system, go ahead, and if you want to donate it to poor elderly people, feel free. Just don't tell me what to do and how to run MY life!

  • Gang of Dicks.....

  • Y'know it's Time to vote for another political party and start protesting the current government now. We start late we have to clean this huge shitty mess, and if we start early we can fix the damage before it becomes a titanic mess. PERIOD!!!

  • Nursing home care usually runs from $3000 to $6000 per month

    But the GOP will give you a $15k voucher to buy an insurance policy to help cover that, but you'll need a good bit more money -- but dont count in Soc Sec as they'll cut that too even though you've contributed for yrs.

  • is there a way to not participate in social security!!? i rather just make my own deductions per month and put them in a bank and not touch it for like 30 years

  • @jamesuslovesu We give more to charities. If we weren't paying such huge amounts of taxes, we'd have a lot more disposable income to help our fellow citizens.

    But lets say we followed your method and implemented government-funded welfare. What if the government runs out of money (Which is a huge possibility!)? Your argument is flawed.

  • @jamesuslovesu Then help them through charity, but don't trust the people who got their legs broken to help them!

  • @jamesuslovesu Again, if the government was doing something that caused peoples legs to be broken, would you call for free crutches or and end to the things that break peoples legs?

    You need to focus on the illness, not the symptom. If we get rid of the illness, the symptom will go away too.

  • @LoveHolsters So it's ok to keep it going to fuck over the younger generation? No double standard there.

    And please stop thinking I'm some rich heartless fuck just trying to take your money away. I work part-time while studying full-time -- I'm far from being rich, I'm just not a jealous fuck about it.

  • @jamesuslovesu How about you lobby your congressman to abolish all the barriers to entry that keep these people unemployed? That's how you can help them. You can become a political advocate against the policies that keep them out of work.

  • @cincofone Lets put it a bit more bluntly. If the government was breaking peoples legs, would you be calling for free crutches, or an end to the breaking of legs?

  • run for president cenk!

  • @LoveHolsters Social security is welfare for the elderly paid for by the young. It is NOT a retirement plan.

    I honestly feel sorry for you that you've had to pay into it for 30 years. But how do you think the younger generation feels? By 2037 social security will be bankrupt, so it's going to go away anyway. It should be abolished now and whatever funds are left that haven't been spent away by the government should be paid back to the tax payers proportionally to how much you've already paid

  • @cincofone

    First of all , if you are Australian , How the fuck is it your business anyway ?

  • Social security was put into place when the average life span was 3 years longer than the time you can receive benefits. This was not something that happened by chance, they did this on purpose. IF you have to keep social security, you have to follow its intent and designed plan.

  • You cannot spend on tax cuts. It is impossible to count money you were never going to receive.

  • @jamesuslovesu Isn't looking for work doing something? They could be volunteering, getting experience, doing an internship, or any number of things that make them more attractive as employees. If they need financial aid they could turn to family members/friends for support, or charities.

    Welfare makes people into burdens on society. Jobs make them prosperous and independent. Ask any unemployed person - they'd take an actual job and independence over a welfare check without question.

  • @jamesuslovesu You're trying to treat the symptom and not the illness. Remove the government barriers to entry and you'll solve the lack of jobs. That's a far better solution than just using welfare as a bandaid while keeping them out of the workforce even longer, making it harder for them to get a job when they have an opportunity.

  • @LoveHolsters Go check out the federal budget, see where most of the money goes, and then come back and say that. Medicare, medicaid and social security are the 3 biggest items on the budget, followed closely in 4th by the military.

    Governments suck at handing out welfare to those who need it. Check out watch?v=qRTu4cL7cGU for a breakdown of gov welfare vs private charities, with sources in the description.

  • @jamesuslovesu Well they should be looking for work, but right now governments at both the state and federal level do a very good job of making it extremely difficult to create jobs for them to get. In Hong Kong by contrast you can start a business in a day and don't have to worry about minimum wage, so you can create low paying but still productive jobs, which is ALWAYS better than no job at all. They only have 3.6% unemployment, which looks pretty good when compared to the US doesn't it?

  • @LoveHolsters

    yeah ! Tell it like it is ! Truth !

  • @RealityGrapple ---

    Perhaps, :P

  • To the Young Turks. I love your show and what you do, but please take up a collection in the office and invest in some better recording gear. Please.

  • @mchchicago78

    as an alternate idea, why doesn't Cenk apply to the WH for some federal funds,..liberals just love to hand out conservative taxpayer funds to support liberal bullshit propaganda throughout America, as per ACORN, NPR

  • Cenk, flip out on this matter. You've got a lot of videos up on this matter that are of vital importance, but I fear they fail to bring the real point: this is enough to have a revolution over.

    Flip out like you flipped out on the media failing to report on the war in Iraq. Then people will listen. I can sometimes see the passion rising in your eyes, but you seem to keep it in. I wish I was a passionate in this matter as you, but even I flip out whenever I hear your truths spoken.

  • @PrimalShadow3

    u sound like a gay in love with Cenk

    i don't blame u, i once watched the movie "Midnight Express" and now i flip everytime i see passion in cenk's eyes too

  • @RealityGrapple ---

    Wtf, ofc not, I am not fucking superman, xD Where did you get that from, I was not claiming that either.

    If everybody who weren't actual top level politicians should stop writing...

    Now all this jumping on me could've been avoided if you just pointed out that I should've said "Typical far-right American mentality" haha.

  • A storm is brewing. It might be a long time coming but its brewing.

  • Something is definitely wrong with a country when your govt finds it necessary to take cuts out of social security, medicare, education. When schools are being shutdown and supermax prisons are being built. When jobs want prerequisites as long as my arm but only start you out at $9 an hour. When a term like 'job security' and 'cost of living wage increases' becomes a thing of the past. When any idiot can run for president, since their presiding over other 'idiots'. Guess I'm cynical...

  • We must raise the tax on those making over $250k - sure, it's only 1.9% of the population who're so lucky, but some are making billions & only paying about 15% tax.

    THIS IS INEXCUSABLE!!

  • /watch?v=Dpcd0woY2KY

    1:45 - 2:10

    'And now they're coming for your social security money! They want it back, so they can give it to their criminal friends on wall street. And you know something? They'll get it, they'll get it all. Cause they own this fucking place.'

    George carlin could see this coming years and years ago. There's nothing Cenk or anyone else can do, if you want it to be fixed you have to change the system. Revolt, people, before it's too late.

  • @jamesuslovesu Oh people should be employed yes, but not any employment will do is what I was saying.

    Digging holes and filling them up may give everyone a job, the economy would be non-productive and everyone would be really, really, really, really poor, but hey 100% employment is what count rights! <=== This is the attitude some people have. You can't just magically give people jobs. Employers have to create job opportunities that are actually productive for the economy to grow.

  • Again Cenk u are misreading facts. Th President has oveanOvr repeatedly satd ht hedos not are with most of hat the debt cmission ha cme upwith, furthermoe today he stated thatthe way h would fix SS is by raising the payroll tax limit from 100K to 300k or 600K. From now on please stop lying orditorting facts it misleads your followers. Thank you very much.

    -Mashack12

  • @mashack12 really.. how is he misreading the facts. hes not misreading anything talking about how the gang of six are spear heading it..this just goes to show that the dems and repubs really are working together to rip off the general public for the corperate agenda. they raided the money from ss, for wars, oil and tax cuts for the rich.. and now congress has opened pandoras box by allowing corperations to pump as much money into campains as they want.. there is no denying these facts

  • @scorand y comment was concernnghis commentabout thePresidentand hs plan for SS..I agree with wht you are saying but he often misleadsth facts about the Presidents positions. And it is sad that any of the viewers here onTYT dont know wht the President really says or does, they te Cenks word for it which is nota good idea whatsever

  • @jamesuslovesu As for safe working conditions, if you feel you are being made to work in risky conditions for an unfair wage, quit. It's as simple as that.

    Not all jobs will ever have safe working conditions. There are many even higher risk than being a cop or fire fighter, such as being a farmer or a fisherman (they sound fairly mundane, but statistically they are some of the most deadly occupations). These high risk jobs also carry nice pay checks, so it a choice you have to make.

  • @jamesuslovesu I've just explained why minimum wage is a problem. If you can only make as an employee $3 worth of production an hour, how can I afford to hire you minimum wage?

    The thing is we often get too obsessed with everyone having jobs. They don't just need any old jobs though, they need productive jobs. You could employ half of the country to dig holes, and the other half to fill up holes, and you'd have 100% employment but I think you can see why it wouldn't work out too well.

  • @RealityGrapple ---

    Cutting social security is happening in Sweden as well because of ideological stance from our conservative govt. -_- But we don't sepnd billions on an overseas empire so our priorities are pretty clear-cut.

  • @underbjorn You are right. You just rely on the US to protect you as we did during the Cold War or Sweden would have been another communist satellite. Your welcome.

  • @tkcarr ---

    Haha I think we thanked you enough during our million-dollar informal support for Viet Cong.

    Stupid American, we don't live in the second world war, there is no Hitler that threatens Europe, we do not need America.

    the only ones who imagine they are needed by the European Union are far-right militaristic Americans themselves.

  • @underbjorn That's right. We took care of Hitler too. Europe couldn't. Europe always gets themselves in trouble or screws something up and then it's the USA to the rescue and the only land we ask for is a place to bury our soldiers who saved your pampered butts. You're right we are stupid to protect a group of nations like yours that offer nothing to the world other than bad movies. BTW over here the saying is "Dumb Swedes" and there are a bunch of them.

  • @tkcarr ---

    You do realize the second world war is the ONLY armed conflict you have contributed to saving status quo democracy in Europe? Uneducated American strikes again.

    the only thing you ask is a place to bury your soldiers, wtf you can bury them in France or whatever if you don't want to pay for burial costs at home, we aren't greedy like you.

    And googlins stupid American gives 34 million hits, the first pages quite on topic, googling "dumb swedes" gives an idiomatic expression only.

  • @underbjorn Wrong again Swen. Try WWI, Marshall Plan, Berlin Airlift and the Cold War for starters. What did Sweden do? Oh right nothing but bad movies. Why google dumb swede when all I have to do is read your moronic posts? We bury them over there to remind you ingrates that we saved your collective butts AGAIN. Yeah you are greedy and are cowards too. You let others protect you while you make meatballs.

  • @tkcarr ---

    World war 1. You came in when the western front was practically decided, only a few American troops participated in the fall of Austria-Hungary by Italy, nothing in the Middle-East either. Miniscule effect that is.

    Marshall Plan: Yea for fast financial rebuild, not against a military threat.

    Berlin Airlift: That helped Europe...how?

    Cold War: Ye supporting brutal butcherers like Pinochet is lovely. Sweden took thousands of Chilean refugees.

    Rofl don't you also like meatballs? :(

  • @underbjorn I know in socialist countries like yours they redact a good bit of history but Lars you are wrong again. In WWI both France and Britain were on their knees (where was Sweden?) and we made the difference and ended the war favorable to Europe. Of course you screwed it up with the Versailles Treaty. As to the Marshall Plan/Berlin think Soviet Union who had Sweden cowed and under control. I like your meatballs and your women too LOL. Other than that you suck.

  • @tkcarr ---

    Uhm no, the German Revolution of 1918 had already created an environment impossible for the German Army Command to live with thanks to the Social Democratic Party enforcing parliamentarism upon Germany.

    America only sent troops in square formation to die like insects by German machine guns, your greatest contribution was Woodrow Wilson's scheme, not your military contribution.

  • @underbjorn Man you are really dense. We arrived in Europe in 1917. What do you think caused the Germans to rebell? Sweden? No, the American Expeditionary Force (AEF) and the Meuse-Argonne Offensive. Woodrow Wilson's "scheme" was not fully adopted which led to WWII. Is your history that weak over there? Damn I though our schools were bad. We saved Free Europe's (Sweden too) ass three times in the 2oth Century. About time you dopes realized that and said thanks.

  • @tkcarr ---

    Mate, do you take history lessons from Wikipedia? Jesus Christ, your schools ARE bad.

    The German sailors mutiny was caused because of general effects of war, provisions, wanting to return home etc. You did only send in troops like cannonfodder. What a typical stupid American.

  • @underbjorn Barney, I am going to help you with your socialist tinged history. The Germans quit WWI because the USA entered the war and they KNEW they could not defeat us. Britain and France were on their knees begging us to come over and help them and we did. BTW where was Sweden? Oh yeah jerking off at home and sitting on the sidelines. So, Barney once more for the schoolteacher; No USA? No British/French victory in WWI.

  • @tkcarr ---

    You do realize my explanation is well-founded in exemplary established history and you just spew nonsense about Sweden "jerking off", like that is historically relevant.

    What kind of books do you read?

  • @underbjorn Your explanation is founded in jealous european arrogance. europeans are embarrassed that they are no longer the world power they once were and are even more embarrassed that the USA is not only superior to them but has saved their asses multiple times. It's like watching your baby brother grow up and outdo you. Obviously I read books that have better data than the socialist pamphlets you are reading.

  • @tkcarr ---

    "Obviously I read books that have better data than the socialist pamphlets you are reading."

    Yeeea.

    "I read books"

    "socialist pamphlets you are reading"

    Yeeeeeeea.

  • @underbjorn Maybe I misjudged you. You must get your "facts" from YouTube. ROFL

  • @underbjorn OH and since you like google go put in "The Rock of the Marne" and Teufelhunds and see what that teaches you about history. Don't forget the Soviet Union that used to send subs into your harbors and you couldn't stop them. This is sad really. Oh. I like ligon berries too!

  • @tkcarr ---

    "Don't forget the Soviet Union that used to send subs into your harbors and you couldn't stop them."

    Do you call that "used to". It really shows your complete ignorance if you think they did that on a daily basis.

    But don't think I am surprised, Americans seeing their schools get cut down don't have high probability of increasing history knowledge.

  • @underbjorn They did it whenever they wished. Your government hid that fact because they were embarrased. Without the shield of the USA Sweden like Eastern Europe would have been the USSR's bitch and you would be showing your papers to the Commissar today. I really hate Eurotrash like you who sit on the sidelines, contribute nothing to the world and complain about the USA who does make a difference. When another country has a disaster they call us not Sweden.

  • @tkcarr ---

    The United States has acted as a shield in certain times yes, but it is not needed now is my point.

    Contribute nothing to the world. Well, Swedes invented the refridgerator in 1922, America didn't even invent the nuclear bomb. Germans invented the nuclear bomb for America.

    What would you rather have on a deserted island, a refridgerator for food you find or a German-rpdouced nuclear warhead?

  • @underbjorn Well, at least you can admit some truth in history. Whether we are needed now remains to be seen. I still see disasters befall other countries and they keep asking for us to come help. So, maybe we still are relevant. I try not to wear rosy glasses looking at the world. Remember they said WWI was the war to end all wars. You are joking about the refrigerator as a world contribution right? LOL We made the Bomb not Germany who Sweden collaborated with in WWII.

  • @tkcarr ---

    Actually, the refridgerator was to make a clear point to stupid Americans like you.

    That world contribution comes in other forms than brutal violence.

    If there can ever be regional peace in any part of the world, the U.S is not included.

    People ask you because of your present hegemony, that's not eternal or automatic, learn that.

    Yes Sweden "collaborated" with Nazi Germany, especially when the Allies declared war on Finland.

  • @underbjorn How about the device you are using to spout your nonsense? We made that and the software you use as well. Sweden collaborated with HItler because then like now you are a country of craven cowards who bow down to anyone who threatens you. Your welfare state has made you into moral cowards. This from the land of hte Vikings! Man have you guys gone down. At least the vikes DID something and rolled over for no one.

  • @underbjorn You know what else is interesting is how many of you European fools speak English. Why is that if we make no difference in the world. Sweden is a bit player who parasites off the USA who is exceptional. You idiots would surrender to the first oppressive power that attacked you if not for us. We are the light of the world and you make meatballs and porn. Sorry to burst your bubble Olaf.

  • @tkcarr ---

    Rofl, English wasn't exactly spread around the globe by isolationist United States to begin with.

    Hollywood has the biggest contribution in modern history but not to begin with.

    And well, the rest is the usual nonsense from somebody who probably hasn't learned very much in primary school.

  • @underbjorn You speak English because we are the most influential nation on earth. Hollywood? HAHAHAHA! Man, you need to quit taking that government provided heroin over there. Our contributions to the world in the last 100 years is staggering and Europe is dead bloated and a has been. Jealousy does not become you. BTW I have been to your country and you would give your butt to live over here. Sweden sucks. Pretty girls tho :)

  • @tkcarr ---

    Are you serious? xD What kind of uneducated idiot are you. :S

    Britain brought the English language across the whole world through actual pshycial presence, you only flooded us with western movies. Your contributions is staggering, counting military coups supporgted by the CIA I think you beat the Soviets in support of butchering dictators.

    And no, I have serious doubts about you ever being here.

  • @underbjorn The British brought it but their empire went 100 years ago. You speak it today because of the USA. It is the language of technology and business. Your country would not exist today as it is if not for the contributions of the USA. I have been to your country but you can believe what you wish. BTW, I know a whole lot of Swedes moved to the USA but I don't see a lot of Americans running to Sweden. I guess the Swedes that came here wanted to do something important.

  • @tkcarr ---

    People move to all kinds of places, we don't livei n the 1800s when 2 million Swedes emigrated.

    If you talk to the sons and daughters of wealthy people today, they don't want tio become even richer in the U.S, they want to go to Monaco or fucking Liechtenstein.

    You live in a fantasy world, Sweden isn't a global power because of history, geography and brutish military investment.

  • @underbjorn People left Sweden for USA because there was more oppertunity here and there still is. My cousin had a friend who married a Swede who came tothe USA to rain for the discus. Why did he come here (and still lives here)? Because it was better than Sweden. You live in a world that used to be. I live in the present. Sweden isn't a global power because it is not exceptional but a welfare state where everyone is owed money by the government.

  • @tkcarr ---

    People left Sweden because of autocracy that was here and conservative politics conserving the status quo post-feudal society, a nobled rule.

    We have long since surpassed that and again, with a bit of education watch Sweden's HDI or gender equality index or poverty index.

  • @underbjorn You are a small country with a crushing tax burden and socialist nanny state that depends on the USA to protect you. You are hypocrites because you proclaim yourselfs neutral but during the Cold War you are privately in bed with us to the hilt because the Russkies were about to mount you. You are irrelevant on the world stage but you did invent porn and I beleive LSD which you are probably taking now.

  • @underbjorn BTW Europe has no room to talk about propping up dictators. The Middle East and Africa paid dearly for European colonialism. What hypocrites! You lose your position on the world stage and hate another country who did it right and better. I wish we were isolationists! We spend our blood and money saving places like Sweden and we get to listen to idiots like you complain about it. sheesh!

  • @tkcarr ---

    Yes we ALL wish you were isolationists.

    You talk about stuff that peaked 100 years ago, I talk about stuff that is still going on.

    You didn't do "right" or "better", that's bullshit relativistic...

  • @underbjorn Well then quit whinning for us to save your asses and get to work. Get off your lazy welfare asses and go to W-O-R-K. You bitch at us when we do something and you bitch at us when we do nothing. That is what makes europe worthless as world players. I'd rather deal with China that you lazy fools. At least they work and don't waste time having strikes over losing their welfare tickets.

  • @tkcarr ---

    It is no wonder why people laugh at you.

    Do you seriously think we just sit around doing nothing?

    Yes all my money miraculously drops down from the sky.

    The whole welfare state is functioning because the benevolent Christian God is magically creating money out of thin air.

    Mate, we are not on the brink of bankrupcy like you.

  • @underbjorn Yeah you were in the '90s. Your government like many in europe are reducing the welfare state becusee they can't afford it. I lived in Europe 5 years and yes you do sit around on your asses a lot. I saw that a lot. While in Germany the refrain I heard was: We have the oldest students, the youngest retirees, and the healthiest sick people in the world. It was a joke! Lazy arses.

  • @underbjorn Seems like you do have a lot of time on your hands. Do you work for a living or just collect the dole?

  • @tkcarr ---

    Easter break at the university. But ofc you'd rather out all of us in forced labour at a private gulag-for-profit and starve us while your billionaire masters eat luxury food.

  • @underbjorn OK, now I understand why you know so little history. Are you like those "students" in Germany that stay in till they're 40? Why don't you get a job and go to work? You aren't learning much in school anyways.

  • @tkcarr ---

    Rofl I don't think I'd be sitting in front of Youtube if I were 40 years old.

    But just because you have no idea about the timeline of events in the Great war doesn't mean you have to poject your failure on me.

  • @underbjorn I thought that's where you got all your "facts" was on YouTube. You obviously aren't reading any history from reputable sources. I see you avoided the "work" question. Have you ever done any? I mean real work not writing a paper on YouTube. Of course since you live in "paradise" where the gubmint pays for everything then I guess work is a bad word for you?

  • @tkcarr ---

    Making up stuff isn't really making it real just because you want to.

    Nope I just sit on my arse, getting free moneys and so's everybody else. Nobody works and still the society functions after 40 years.

    30 years ago when people still were sitting on their butts, basking in the sun, buying luxury items they still got free money to contribute to Viet Cong.

    Gotta love the good life.

  • @underbjorn Not making it up. I lived in europe for 5 years you see. I saw it. But your description of the welfare state is on target. What you left out is that those who work hard get the shit taxed out of them to pay for folk like you who don't work. In Germany, they sucked heavily off the US and when we were there in the '80s they yelled for us to go home. When we did go home in the '90s they yelled for us to stay and were pissed to be off the teat. I was there I saw it.

  • @tkcarr ---

    You saw it, how good for you. :) *rofl*

    They have a hard time adopting to a market economy, it's a phenomena known from the old USSR as well as with DPRK defectors. You branding them lazy is because you are too lazy looking into academics.

  • @underbjorn You know Barney it's good to get out from time to time and actually see things happen rather than read your propaganda err..Swede History Books. The problem with the Ossies was not the free market but the idea that all their needs would be met by the gubmint. That makes you lazy since everything is given to you. If you give a man a fish he will eat for a day. Teach him how to fish and he eats for life. American wisdom for you.

  • @underbjorn BTW who is the more lazy; He who goes out into life and lives it or one who reads about it in a book at home? Maybe you should get out more often and travel some. Might learn something.

  • @tkcarr ---

    Good that you acknowledge me reading books and you not.

  • @underbjorn LOL The problem is you only read fiction and think it's history. I suspect I have read many more books than you unless you count cartoons and there you may have me. :)

  • @tkcarr ---

    Mate, I highly doubt you have read books in any academic field of history or finance. Just the way you write your comments and formulate.

    As for Salman Rushdie, he neither is a Swedish Muslim nor dead.

    Why do you think of Salman Rushdie when you talk about Swedish journalists killed by Muslims? He isn't dead even.

    You don't really make a convincing argument for anything more than being a pitiful, uneducated tool.

  • @underbjorn Barney, the problem is the politically correct pamphlets you read coupled with your appalling lack of real life application show you to be simply a jealous juvenile person from an inconseqential country who has an inferiority complex. What is happening in europe with the muslims is that they are growing in number and violence and when media does things like profane Allah or whatever they get threatened (Rushdie) or killed. This will happen in Sweden as well

  • @tkcarr ---

    Yes, I know you right-wing extremists prerach intolerance and hatred, waah waah, our neonazis have already said what you are saying.

    So, the Muslim conservatives are preaching hatred towards us and our conservatives are preaching hatred towards them.

    Normal people get this melodrama and ignores it. It will not happen in Sweden because we don't have a nazi government which will incite hatred because of exaggreated figures from some clown.

  • @underbjorn Happy Day! There are absolutely no issues with unemployed muslims in Sweden! All is happy and gay! Reports to the contrary are a conspiracy of lies between Fox News and Nazi Swede Politicians. Riiiiight! I have a bridge in Brokklyn I would like to sell you. BTW we have no violence issues with muslims over here either. In your case you just surrender to them. In our case we can adminster lead enemas.

  • @tkcarr ---

    So first you say Muslims are rioting and killing Salman Rushdie.

    When that turns out to be ridiculously untrue and random for Sweden, you talk about their unemployment?

    Learn to separate issues, don't be jealous that unemployed Muslims here live better than single-mothers with three jobs with babies going hungry to bed every day in the United States.

  • @underbjorn I think you need more work on your reading comprehension. Salman Rusdie is under a death fatwa for writing The Satanic Verses (amoung other things). The news agencies Reuters and the AP report crime problems in Sweden with unemployed muslims in Malmo and other cities. You say they are all untrue and made up by Nazis. Do you get out much in Sweden? I am not jealous of Swedish taxes one bit. Over here people must work for a living and not depend on government.

  • @tkcarr ---

    So why did you say Salman Rushdie is dead? Stupid American goes stupid.

    They aren't untrue but why should I care about them instead of general unemployment? The only people who think Muslims are special are the far-right.

    Oh I am so scared, what is the government going to do, send me to gulag on my welfare money?

    Pathetic argument "waah wards of the state", people do work here you know. Wait...you don't know.

  • @underbjorn I didn't say Rushdie was dead. I just asked if you knew of him. Dumb Swede. Why should any Swede care about unemployment since your nanny ubmint will pay you handsomely to sit on your arse as they are paying you. I had to pay to go to college. Yes, SOME people dowork in Sweden and you take from them to give to many others who don't like you. THAT is pathetic. You owe the USA a great deal since we protect you so you can sit.

  • @tkcarr ---

    "You owe the USA a great deal since we protect you so you can sit."

    haha don't make me laugh.

    Your intepretation of how our government works is worse than a 10-year olds. You think 10 people work in this country and they somehow generate enough for the rest of us to sit around? xD Dumb idiot.

    Muslims aren't more violent than any other group, you think Muslims are a homogenous terrorist lot because you are an inbred supremacist not knowing anything about reality.

  • @underbjorn You have a lot of nerve calling anybody an idiot. You have no knowledge of history and you have no idea of what is going on in your own damn country. You are a lazy ass student sitting on his butt in school while air-headed professor tell you bullshit that you beleive without even looking out your own door. Pay no attention to those facts in front of your face! Sweden has paid dearly for it's welfare state and is slowly undoing it. Or do you only readthe Daily Worker LOL.

  • @tkcarr ---

    I would say you have a lot of nerve even mentioning the word "history" seeing you don't know anything about the first world war, did you even go to school? Stop imagining things.

    That you seriously think there are people that are so stupid as you are, and pathetic as you are, and work just so I can sit around is ridiculous. Just that people who do work here are happy to see their children get free health care.

  • @underbjorn Not only do I know history but I have been around and lived around the world. Something you obviously have not. You ONLY know what your dim-witted professors tell you. Well I am your real life professor and the welfare state don't work. Even in a homogenous tiny clubby country like yours and that is why your govt is backing away from it now. BTW nothing is free Barney, somebody pays. In Sweden those who work pay and blokes like you take. It is disgusting.

  • @tkcarr ---

    You have shown nothing that says you are anything than another stupid American just making whatever seems nice up. You a real life professor? Wow, you got soem nerve to call my professor "dim-witted" seeing you have never met him, have no idea who he or she is or what he has told me or if what he told me is what I tell you or if I just disregard what he or she tells me.

    ...are you actually believing I take you seriously?

  • @underbjorn You haven't shown anything at all. No knowledge of history or what is even going on in your own country. I am your reality professor and am teaching you much about the real world. I know your professor is dimwitted because of the idiotic posts you make on here. Aren't you taking me seriously? You keep answering me. ROFL! HAHAHAHA! Must be making some progress with you Barney. When I am done with you then you will have had a real education. Next lesson; Why welfare states go bankrupt.

  • @tkcarr ---

    Mate, I also needs some punching bags and I run out of trolls from time to time. Stupid Americans, they never end.

    Apart from the fact when I taught you about the great war and your pathetic "Look at the U.S we are cool!!", then sure.

    I will feed the troll abit more, you probably have some amazing, dazzling story about Muslims or fatwahs to tell me. Pathetic conservative spewing hatred all over.

  • @underbjorn You are a punching bag. I am owning you like a cheap house. What you taught me about the great war is that you know nothing about it. Why are you asking for more info about your country? Have I not taught you enough already? I think you should read a real newspaper and go travel about to places like Malmo and Trollhatten and find out for yourself. You might learn something. I think you are the hater and an ignorant one at that.

  • @tkcarr ---

    Rofl are you the son of Donald tRump? You sound like a fucking robot weighed down by his own ego.

    "places like Malmo and Trollhatten" Haha, xD Yea cus you know so much abotu what's going on there, don't you.

    I see why you are jealous of my professors like Hitler was jealous of his art class teacher.

  • @underbjorn I know I own you now because all you can do is make dumb comments about Donald Trump HAHAHA! So what is going on in Malmo and other places Barney? I mean I can't trust the media since it is all controlled by Nazis. Is your precious country so tender you cannot acknowldege any trouble with it. No, just like the dweeb in class we all knew you just sit in the back of the class and throw stones at the real students. Why would I be jealous of someone who is stupid.

  • @tkcarr ~ i see, you got yours, so fuck other americans with more right wing trickle down failure... that about sum it up? these so-called socialist countries are kicking our ass in every economic category, including growth and standard of living, and you're selfishly oblivious. i know people like you, all high and mighty, think everything you made is earned and everything anyone else gets is stealing from you. pathetic, unpatriotic, and just plain ignorant. you people disgust me.

  • @tomitstube I "got mine" by hard work. You should try it as it is more productive than whinning. I have lived in these countries and I would not want to stay there permanently. Why don't YOU move there and live in paradise? You don't know me from Adam but I do know your types mindset. Equality of outcome not oppertunity. I think they used to call it communism but that is all dead now so you are a "socialist" today. You make me sick to my stomach and you will not get what you want. Not in the USA

  • @tomitstube BTW Go to work and get a job.

  • @underbjorn Oh and how do I know you are parroting your prof. Because what you post shows no critical thinking or originality and sounds like the liberal european BS I heard when I lived there. You have no real life experience so you must live thru books and lectures. I will change that for you. Pay attention!

  • @underbjorn BTW how's that Julian Assange thing going? ROFL You sure have some funny laws. LMAO.

  • @underbjorn And the ones in Sweden I DO feel sory for are those who pay the crushing taxes your government makes them pay so idiots like you can sit is school and whine and complain about those who do the work. Good life for you but I would be ashamed to live it.

  • @underbjorn As I said before, I have been to your country but I think you have not been out of your apartment or dorm except to collect your welfare check. Have you EVER had a REAL job? Go to work! So, I ask you again are there violence issues with muslims in your country or not? I don't expect an honest answer but try to do it.

  • @tkcarr ~ sweden have a higher standard of living, they live longer, make more money, all have health care, all kinds of safety nets, happier people... sweden pretty much kicks americas ass in every standard of living measurable.

    yet you defend an american corporate feudal system that's been a failure for the last 30 years, had very little economic growth and continues to slide backwards socially. and you idiots clowns are wanting more of the same shit. you're killing the american dream.

  • @tomitstube They don't have a higher standard of living than I do. They don't make more money than I do and they sure as hell ain't happier. Their safety nets are bankrupting them and they are changing those. I like it here, if you don't why don't you move your socialist lazy ass over there and collect their welfare. They seem happy to give it to you. You think the American Dream comes from the government, I think it comes from the indivdual. Get a job!

  • @underbjorn Also I am talking about europe not just Sweden which is an unimportant country except for porn. I have a good deal more education than you but more importantly I have lived all over the world and therefore so not rely on BS jealous anti-american propaganda fed by european inferiority. So, I have BOTH read about it and lived it. You are just on YouTube. BTW, what is your argument?

  • @tkcarr ---

    Yeea, you have never been outside the cultist countryside farm you were born on.

    Incest isn't healthy, just crazy Christian cults locking themselves up is scary.

  • @underbjorn Now here we have proof positive that you lack insight and sophistication as well as education. Such a tired ludacrous stereotype. Have you run out of all arguments now? Well, you never really had any to begin with. Here's stereotype for you; "Did you hear about the Swedish safecracker?" "He tied up the safe and blew the guard!" LOL

  • @underbjorn Oh, and when the "Ossies" came into the picture all the Germans said they wished the wall was back up. The Ossies were lazier than the West Germans. I thought it was very funny. Interesting you seem to really like the Viet Cong. They sure killed a lot of innocent people. I guess dictators aren't bad if you like them? LOL. I guess the new term is Dumb Swede hypocrite.

  • @underbjorn Say I just saw a report about a town called trollhatten. What's up with that? Seems like you have a gang problem with immagrants beating up the elderly. There's trouble in paradise! BTW over here in my neighbor hood if a gang like them came around they would get a taste of NATO, 5.56mm that is :)

  • @tkcarr ---

    Yes the Muslims, they are raping our women and chopping the heads off of us all, everything you Americans believe is truue! Please come save us, there are even polar bears on the streets omfg.

    Please, one reason not to act like you say is because you imply walking about shooting down people liek some cowboy.

  • @underbjorn Yeah they ARE going to be a problem for you guys since at the first sign of trouble you will surrender. Make sure you get a prayer rug cause if you ain't a Muslim you soon will be. This will not be problem over here as I explained earlier. We take care of ourselves rather than beg someone else to do it for us. Hope your not gay when they take over. Would be bad for you! LMAO. Say didn't they kill some journalists over there for saying bad things about Muhummad? Watch out! LOL

  • @tkcarr ---

    Please, has Fox news said journalists were killed? Wow, they know no limits to their propaganda leis do they.

  • @underbjorn I don't listen to Fox News. Do you? Is that where you get your information? BTW yes Muslims have killed journalists, movie makers and anyone else who "offends" their faith. Ever heard of Salman Rushdie?