mr. salty, do you arrest every citizen that fails to obey a order to return to his vehicle? The officer was dead wrong and let his emotions get ahead of his duty. He should have issued a citation and went on his way. the motorist made no threats to the officer to justify this rough treatment.
Forget this was a retired deputy and pretend he is just regular Joe citizen going home from the grocery store and your opinion would be drasticly different. You cannot arrest someone for getting out of the truck on a traffic stop. I do not think they have a law to cover that yet. The motorist was not making any threats to the officer and merely pointing a finger is not a deadly weapon.
@wilcarr1 Nowhere have I implied that pointing a finger is a deadly weapon. Fists usually aren't deadly weapons but punching an officer would warrant arrest. Anyway, yes, a temporary arrest to restrain the citizen who is non-compliant, showing a little anger, and thinks he can just disregard your authority seems pretty okay to me. I'd say that this officer felt that if he just casually said "put your hands behind your back" the guy would have ignored that, too.
The retired Deputy should have known better than to exit the car and act like an idiot. How is the Arresting Deputy suppose to know who this guy is or what he is about to do? Yes following orders has everything to do with use of force, the minute you lose control of the situation...that could be your last day on earth.
The retired Deputy should have known better than to exit the car and act like an idiot. How is the Arresting Deputy suppose to know who this guy is or what he is about to do? Yes following orders has everything to do with use of force, the minute you lose control of the situation...that could be your lasd day on earth.
@danimanfly Of course the officer has cause to be alarmed, the motorist handled the stop poorly. The difference is that the officer does this for a living, this man might never have been pulled over before. Police are trained to deal with "being alarmed" and responding with force without a threat is a violation of the law. It's not subjective, there are very clear laws governing the use of force. They are not guidelines and it is not up to the discretion of the officer.
Why haven't we all figured out that you follow police orders to "get back in the car" even when you feel you've done nothing wrong? It's lunacy to ignore their orders and then when they take you down you are dumbfounded. Durrrr.
@alawrence89 There are well established rules governing the use of unnecessary and excessive force. This is a clear violation. The job of the police is to serve and protect, not use force against citizens that do not follow orders. At least not in America. You might find those kind of rules of engagement in Iran, Burma or Syria.
@nwfilmschool Yes, I understand and agree that police cannot use excessive force. In this situation, the police has a right to protect himself. He told this man several times to "stay in the car", "get back in the car", etc... and the man continued to ignore them and also approached the officer during this time. The officer, not knowing what the man may do (he's not compliant) he has the right to use force against the citizen. Whether or not it was too much force is another question.
The officer asked him to do some very simple, reasonable, tasks and the man didn't do them. He also showed a bit of anger by pointing and saying something at 1:05. The man also engaged a bit with the officer and was trying to keep the officer from taking him down. I do not think the cop was in the wrong. Maybe he pushed him a bit hard but that's what happens when you deal with someone who is ignoring orders and puts up a bit of a fight when the officer tries to arrest him.
@alawrence89 There is no connection between following orders and the use of force. Police do not have the authority to issue orders and use force if you don't obey. You also have a legal right to resist an arrest if the officer uses unnecessary or excessive force. Why do you think the motorist was released? He would have been charged with obstruction of justice or assaulting an officer if his action was justified. This is all well-established law, you can look it up if you like.
@nwfilmschool No connect? Assuming that the officer had a reason to stop him (I don't know the facts) then he has the right to order the citizen to follow his commands. If the citizen doesn't (as this man didn't) then he can use force to protect himself and also to neutralize the citizen who is non-compliant. Again, it's not like this man was just walking down the street and the cop jumped him for no reason. What's the name of that law?
@nwfilmschool I also don't know why he was released but I bet it wasn't because they felt the police officer unlawfully detained him. (Again, I don't know all of the facts, though. I didn't waste 30 minutes watching the entire thing nor have I Googled the piss out of this story to figure it out).
@alawrence89 // I have been in LE for forty years and a training officer for many years and the officer has a problem. He had no authority to arrest this man at this time and whether he be an ex-officer or ordinary citizen.
@wilcarr1 So, if you stop someone for, say, speeding, and the guy hops out of the car immediately. He ignores your orders to get back in the car. He approaches your vehicle. He shows a little bit of anger. You do what?
@alawrence89 //Your key word was showing a little anger not a justifiable arrest at that moment. Each time I have written a ticket I get a little anger so you are saying we should throw everyone in jail for a little anger? Sure the old retired cop could have been a little more approachable and you and I would have just back into the vehiccle but to throw someone to the ground who is attempting to show you their drivers license is indefensable.The deputy was fired .
@wilcarr1 I actually should make a correction. The man approached the officer but it was after the officer said "Come here". My mistake. However, he was told to "turn around and face the car". My argument is that he ignored the orders and showed some resistance. I think this warrants a temporary arrest just to restrain the guy and make sure that everything is safe. From the officer's perspective, this guy could have reached for a weapon, etc... There's debate about why he was fired.
@alawrence89 I can see that the guy needed to be contained prior to further negotiations, but why take him on confrontationally and by yourself when there are other units nearby?
@CuddlyBadger I guess the officer has to use his/her discretion when deciding whether or not to wait for other officers. I'd say the officer took this guy on confrontationally because he probably felt that the guy was non-compliant and he had already asked him to turn and face his truck which he didn't. He ignored 3 or so orders that I heard so the offer probably felt that the situation was beyond just asking him to obey.
i don't get it..... what did he do... and why are they trying to put him down... his license plate is in clear view... i wonder what happened to him... do they pick up all the cards that went flying.... maybe he was going to show them a card... he pulled over.... the police didn't identify what he wanted... or why he pulled him over.... wow this is 29 minutes long... i wonder what the police do after -- omg he;s free to go now. 25:11 now the police is getting a drink for the man. friends now
@KaiLuck Basically the guy being stopped is the ex deputy sheriff of the town and the cunt cop acts like any cop these days and power trips as they do. Then another cop come who recognised him they speak he gets lets go and the Cunt cop looks like a complete idiot.
@Trollylulz hahahaha yeah Obey everything the Police officer who is probably a retarded ex highschool bully who gets of on being a cunt. Question nothing people. Do EVERYTHING COPS AND POLITICIANS TELL YOU TOO. Have no inner thoughts, give all control to someone else. Do us a favour and die so the rest of us can get the power back.
If I were a cop and someone I repeatedly told to get back in their vehicle blatantly ignored my commands and presented a possible danger to me, I would make the same decision. Protection, both for the officer and the civilian, depends on trust and safety. If it's not given, it won't be returned.
@nwfilmschool what will happen to you if u exit ur vehicle when u get pulled over think about it. if u were a cop wouldnt u be alarmed as to why is the person exiting. dosent matter if he is a retired deputy he is not above the law. it might not be in the guidelines but for the safety of he officer u should stay in ur vehicle if u dont want to alarm him or her
@thetruemole is there a law that says it is illegal to exit your car after being pulled over?
The older guy (whether he was a retired sheriff or not) wasn't acting aggressive, or drunk, or strange. He also obeyed the command to go to the back of his truck, just fine.
Why was it so hard for this cop to talk to a U.S. citizen like a person?
I get the point of view that the guy disobeyed the original command, but he showed no ability to accurately assess the situation, zero. Bad police work.
Oh and Mr.salty I have been a cop for 25 years. On the streets, not in the jail or a desk job. That deputy handled that situation improperly. I don't think he should have gotten fired but I think a suspension was warranted.
Both of these guys were wrong. This situation didn't need to escalate to that. Ego kept the retired deputy from complying and hot head didn't need to attack. What a waste.
I cannot believe that Deputy Franklin was fired over this! I don't care who you are, if a police officer tells you to get back in the car you do it and as a retired deputy Oachs sure as heck should know that. I've watched the video several times and can't find anything that Franklin even slightly did wrong. I've been a cop for about 10 years now and I would have done the same thing that Franklin did. The Jackson County Sheriff disgusts me!
@MrSalty2010 Since you were a cop for 10 years, I would like to ask you a question, If cops swear an oath to uphold the constitution, why do the police enforce unconstitutional laws? Is it because they don't understand the constitution? or they do understand it and choose to violate it because they are just following orders and don't want to get in trouble?
@AnotherNutJob It varies. But you must remember, cops are humans too. What you seem to be expecting is perfection, which I'd argue impossible. Yes, this arrest was handled improperly. The officer went aggro for no reason. As for why cops violate the laws they're sworn to, could have many reasons; Things happen In the head of the moment, know the party, personality, psychological, and especially cops who went through enough traffic stop violence to construct enough suspicion to strike first. etc
@AnotherNutJob You are completely right that police officers swear to uphold the constitution. The job of a police officer is to enforce laws that are passed by the legislative branch and it is the job of the judicial branch to determine if laws are unconstitutional. There are some laws that I have to enforce even though I may not necessarily agree with them. A police officer cannot just refuse to enforce a law because they believe it is unconstitutional.
Nice support for your fellow police officer Mr. supervisor. I guess in Oregon you can hold court on the side of the road and judge people not guilty and set them free.
THIS IS WHAT AMERICA IS, A POLICE STATE. YOU CAN'T FIRE ALL THE COPS AND THIS KIND OF INCIDENT IS EXTREMELY COMMON.
Jingogunner 1 month ago
no, the cop said get back in the car, not turn and face the car.
Jingogunner 1 month ago
26:15 dick cop looks like a midget
nstabl 2 months ago
i reddiboudit
nstabl 2 months ago
Did anyone notice his right turn signal was on throughout most of the video?
Noruzenchi86 3 months ago
mr. salty, do you arrest every citizen that fails to obey a order to return to his vehicle? The officer was dead wrong and let his emotions get ahead of his duty. He should have issued a citation and went on his way. the motorist made no threats to the officer to justify this rough treatment.
wilcarr1 3 months ago
Forget this was a retired deputy and pretend he is just regular Joe citizen going home from the grocery store and your opinion would be drasticly different. You cannot arrest someone for getting out of the truck on a traffic stop. I do not think they have a law to cover that yet. The motorist was not making any threats to the officer and merely pointing a finger is not a deadly weapon.
wilcarr1 3 months ago
@wilcarr1 Nowhere have I implied that pointing a finger is a deadly weapon. Fists usually aren't deadly weapons but punching an officer would warrant arrest. Anyway, yes, a temporary arrest to restrain the citizen who is non-compliant, showing a little anger, and thinks he can just disregard your authority seems pretty okay to me. I'd say that this officer felt that if he just casually said "put your hands behind your back" the guy would have ignored that, too.
alawrence89 3 months ago
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The retired Deputy should have known better than to exit the car and act like an idiot. How is the Arresting Deputy suppose to know who this guy is or what he is about to do? Yes following orders has everything to do with use of force, the minute you lose control of the situation...that could be your last day on earth.
IBFARTING 3 months ago
@IBFARTING Amen. Fart it up.
alawrence89 3 months ago
The retired Deputy should have known better than to exit the car and act like an idiot. How is the Arresting Deputy suppose to know who this guy is or what he is about to do? Yes following orders has everything to do with use of force, the minute you lose control of the situation...that could be your lasd day on earth.
IBFARTING 3 months ago
@danimanfly Of course the officer has cause to be alarmed, the motorist handled the stop poorly. The difference is that the officer does this for a living, this man might never have been pulled over before. Police are trained to deal with "being alarmed" and responding with force without a threat is a violation of the law. It's not subjective, there are very clear laws governing the use of force. They are not guidelines and it is not up to the discretion of the officer.
nwfilmschool 3 months ago
Why haven't we all figured out that you follow police orders to "get back in the car" even when you feel you've done nothing wrong? It's lunacy to ignore their orders and then when they take you down you are dumbfounded. Durrrr.
alawrence89 3 months ago
@alawrence89 There are well established rules governing the use of unnecessary and excessive force. This is a clear violation. The job of the police is to serve and protect, not use force against citizens that do not follow orders. At least not in America. You might find those kind of rules of engagement in Iran, Burma or Syria.
nwfilmschool 3 months ago
@nwfilmschool Yes, I understand and agree that police cannot use excessive force. In this situation, the police has a right to protect himself. He told this man several times to "stay in the car", "get back in the car", etc... and the man continued to ignore them and also approached the officer during this time. The officer, not knowing what the man may do (he's not compliant) he has the right to use force against the citizen. Whether or not it was too much force is another question.
alawrence89 3 months ago
The officer asked him to do some very simple, reasonable, tasks and the man didn't do them. He also showed a bit of anger by pointing and saying something at 1:05. The man also engaged a bit with the officer and was trying to keep the officer from taking him down. I do not think the cop was in the wrong. Maybe he pushed him a bit hard but that's what happens when you deal with someone who is ignoring orders and puts up a bit of a fight when the officer tries to arrest him.
alawrence89 3 months ago
@alawrence89 There is no connection between following orders and the use of force. Police do not have the authority to issue orders and use force if you don't obey. You also have a legal right to resist an arrest if the officer uses unnecessary or excessive force. Why do you think the motorist was released? He would have been charged with obstruction of justice or assaulting an officer if his action was justified. This is all well-established law, you can look it up if you like.
nwfilmschool 3 months ago
@nwfilmschool No connect? Assuming that the officer had a reason to stop him (I don't know the facts) then he has the right to order the citizen to follow his commands. If the citizen doesn't (as this man didn't) then he can use force to protect himself and also to neutralize the citizen who is non-compliant. Again, it's not like this man was just walking down the street and the cop jumped him for no reason. What's the name of that law?
alawrence89 3 months ago
@nwfilmschool I also don't know why he was released but I bet it wasn't because they felt the police officer unlawfully detained him. (Again, I don't know all of the facts, though. I didn't waste 30 minutes watching the entire thing nor have I Googled the piss out of this story to figure it out).
alawrence89 3 months ago
@alawrence89 // I have been in LE for forty years and a training officer for many years and the officer has a problem. He had no authority to arrest this man at this time and whether he be an ex-officer or ordinary citizen.
wilcarr1 3 months ago
@wilcarr1 So, if you stop someone for, say, speeding, and the guy hops out of the car immediately. He ignores your orders to get back in the car. He approaches your vehicle. He shows a little bit of anger. You do what?
alawrence89 3 months ago
@alawrence89 //Your key word was showing a little anger not a justifiable arrest at that moment. Each time I have written a ticket I get a little anger so you are saying we should throw everyone in jail for a little anger? Sure the old retired cop could have been a little more approachable and you and I would have just back into the vehiccle but to throw someone to the ground who is attempting to show you their drivers license is indefensable.The deputy was fired .
wilcarr1 3 months ago
@wilcarr1 I actually should make a correction. The man approached the officer but it was after the officer said "Come here". My mistake. However, he was told to "turn around and face the car". My argument is that he ignored the orders and showed some resistance. I think this warrants a temporary arrest just to restrain the guy and make sure that everything is safe. From the officer's perspective, this guy could have reached for a weapon, etc... There's debate about why he was fired.
alawrence89 3 months ago
@alawrence89 I can see that the guy needed to be contained prior to further negotiations, but why take him on confrontationally and by yourself when there are other units nearby?
CuddlyBadger 3 months ago
@CuddlyBadger I guess the officer has to use his/her discretion when deciding whether or not to wait for other officers. I'd say the officer took this guy on confrontationally because he probably felt that the guy was non-compliant and he had already asked him to turn and face his truck which he didn't. He ignored 3 or so orders that I heard so the offer probably felt that the situation was beyond just asking him to obey.
alawrence89 3 months ago
@wilcarr1 Do you get a sense the old man was pissed about getting stopped and wanted to mess with the officer?
CuddlyBadger 3 months ago
i don't get it..... what did he do... and why are they trying to put him down... his license plate is in clear view... i wonder what happened to him... do they pick up all the cards that went flying.... maybe he was going to show them a card... he pulled over.... the police didn't identify what he wanted... or why he pulled him over.... wow this is 29 minutes long... i wonder what the police do after -- omg he;s free to go now. 25:11 now the police is getting a drink for the man. friends now
LybioVideo 3 months ago
7:42 probably the BEST part of the video!
jcdevelopment 3 months ago
It's all about money. Nothing more.
Diablo3Money 3 months ago
"29 years and I've never treated anyone like that."
That tells you a lot about our current "style" of law enforcement officers.
pbltube 3 months ago
I don't want to watch 30 minutes of this, can somebody explain what happened?
KaiLuck 3 months ago
@KaiLuck Basically the guy being stopped is the ex deputy sheriff of the town and the cunt cop acts like any cop these days and power trips as they do. Then another cop come who recognised him they speak he gets lets go and the Cunt cop looks like a complete idiot.
Youaresofullofshite 3 months ago
who gets out of the car/truck like that , What are you special? stay the fuck in the vehicle tell they tell you want you need to do .
Trollylulz 3 months ago
@Trollylulz hahahaha yeah Obey everything the Police officer who is probably a retarded ex highschool bully who gets of on being a cunt. Question nothing people. Do EVERYTHING COPS AND POLITICIANS TELL YOU TOO. Have no inner thoughts, give all control to someone else. Do us a favour and die so the rest of us can get the power back.
Youaresofullofshite 3 months ago
If I were a cop and someone I repeatedly told to get back in their vehicle blatantly ignored my commands and presented a possible danger to me, I would make the same decision. Protection, both for the officer and the civilian, depends on trust and safety. If it's not given, it won't be returned.
thetruemole 3 months ago
@thetruemole There are strict rules governing unnecessary and excessive force. Look them up. This is a clear violation.
nwfilmschool 3 months ago
@nwfilmschool what will happen to you if u exit ur vehicle when u get pulled over think about it. if u were a cop wouldnt u be alarmed as to why is the person exiting. dosent matter if he is a retired deputy he is not above the law. it might not be in the guidelines but for the safety of he officer u should stay in ur vehicle if u dont want to alarm him or her
danimanfly 3 months ago
@thetruemole is there a law that says it is illegal to exit your car after being pulled over?
The older guy (whether he was a retired sheriff or not) wasn't acting aggressive, or drunk, or strange. He also obeyed the command to go to the back of his truck, just fine.
Why was it so hard for this cop to talk to a U.S. citizen like a person?
I get the point of view that the guy disobeyed the original command, but he showed no ability to accurately assess the situation, zero. Bad police work.
pbltube 3 months ago
I hope there's an extra hot area in hell for LEOs who assault citizens.
dfgyuhdd 3 months ago
FUCK THE POLICE
Defund them all.
MEpianist 3 months ago
well he told him to get back in the truck the asshole kept walking
danimanfly 3 months ago
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nwfilmschool 3 months ago
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so if you are a retired cop you are above the law????
senecadaze 3 months ago
This cop didn't do anything wrong. He was just trying to protect himself.
clamstrips 3 months ago
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@clamstrips There are strict rules governing unnecessary and excessive force. Look them up. This is a clear violation.
nwfilmschool 3 months ago
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There are strict rules governing unnecessary and excessive force. Look them up. This is a clear violation.
nwfilmschool 3 months ago
Justice does not exist.
apropo0 3 months ago
@apropo0 No shit Sherlock.
espakor 3 months ago
Oh and Mr.salty I have been a cop for 25 years. On the streets, not in the jail or a desk job. That deputy handled that situation improperly. I don't think he should have gotten fired but I think a suspension was warranted.
gandkplay 3 months ago
Both of these guys were wrong. This situation didn't need to escalate to that. Ego kept the retired deputy from complying and hot head didn't need to attack. What a waste.
gandkplay 3 months ago
WOW!
mimirey69 3 months ago
I cannot believe that Deputy Franklin was fired over this! I don't care who you are, if a police officer tells you to get back in the car you do it and as a retired deputy Oachs sure as heck should know that. I've watched the video several times and can't find anything that Franklin even slightly did wrong. I've been a cop for about 10 years now and I would have done the same thing that Franklin did. The Jackson County Sheriff disgusts me!
MrSalty2010 3 months ago
@MrSalty2010 Since you were a cop for 10 years, I would like to ask you a question, If cops swear an oath to uphold the constitution, why do the police enforce unconstitutional laws? Is it because they don't understand the constitution? or they do understand it and choose to violate it because they are just following orders and don't want to get in trouble?
AnotherNutJob 3 months ago
@AnotherNutJob It varies. But you must remember, cops are humans too. What you seem to be expecting is perfection, which I'd argue impossible. Yes, this arrest was handled improperly. The officer went aggro for no reason. As for why cops violate the laws they're sworn to, could have many reasons; Things happen In the head of the moment, know the party, personality, psychological, and especially cops who went through enough traffic stop violence to construct enough suspicion to strike first. etc
espakor 3 months ago
@AnotherNutJob You are completely right that police officers swear to uphold the constitution. The job of a police officer is to enforce laws that are passed by the legislative branch and it is the job of the judicial branch to determine if laws are unconstitutional. There are some laws that I have to enforce even though I may not necessarily agree with them. A police officer cannot just refuse to enforce a law because they believe it is unconstitutional.
MrSalty2010 3 months ago
@MrSalty2010 Well, it seems judges are not doing their jobs...
AnotherNutJob 3 months ago
@MrSalty2010 it's probably political and/or Oach knows folks inside, since he was a LEO for 25+ years.
espakor 3 months ago
@espakor I completely agree.
MrSalty2010 3 months ago
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benaventeh 3 months ago
Nice support for your fellow police officer Mr. supervisor. I guess in Oregon you can hold court on the side of the road and judge people not guilty and set them free.
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