that's why i don't understand the hate of mgrising, since the day i saw gray fox i want to play as him, and he the first cyborg ever had all that strength, its comprehensive that raiden has the strength of that trailer
is this game rare to find? cuz' i was looking gamefaqs board (metal gear solid the twin snakes) and all the people says is very rare and hard to find.. sooo is true?
Kojima Productions has talked about wanting to remake it again. And apparently they are started doing motion capture for another MGS game. It can't be Rising, that's probably done already since it's coming out next year. Notice how MGS1 is not part of the HD collection?
@filipeflower It was a few months ago. It was a article put on The Snake Soup, probably the biggest MGS website. Type "kojima productions wants to remake metal gear solid" into google and it's your first return. I really hope this to be true since TTS was a bad remake. Poor acting, bad music and over the top cutscenes. And honestly, I'm so SICK of playing as Big Boss. But it looks like their MAY be a sequel to Peace Walker coming out.
who thinks there making a stand alone version of this game for xbox360 and ps3 with mgs4 graphics and engine with the same dialog and cutscenes as the original or gamecube versions tumbs up if you agree and think they should if there not
@solidsnaker1992 with the mgs4 engine, it wont be able to play on the xbox, or atleast have all the features the ps3 version has because of not enough space :)
So why didn't Fox kill Liquid at the seemingly dozen other opportunities? Why did he wait until he was in a giant robot that was impervious to his attacks?
i played this game for few years.I was a child,and now i see cuting things.Are you play this game on your PC or on the Ps1 ? I want this game please too.;)
@jonhjacksnake I think you can download the psx version of mgs but this is thee gamecube version get psx version it may have crappier graphics but i think its alot better than this version.
This was a good remake...but I think they should have waited longer before doing it. Making it with graphics better than MGS4 but keeping the original dialog and sounds would be beyond epic. Anyone who says the original is not better is so stupid. I mean...when the hell did snake become a fucking acrobat??
my only problem with this game is that the music from the ps1 was more epic and made u feel sorry for the characters. while here its more like just pure action.
daaaaamn, when i first saw 4:19 i thought some more fighting was about to happen but i soon realize that Grey Fox gets fuckin owned...sad moment for him, that seemed painful.
I think you guys are being a bit too hard on the new voice acting.
Personally, I find Paulsen's version to be more realistic than Eagles'. After looking back at his entire life, he really ought to be sounding more like he's trying to be happy to finally be at death's door for good, only for him to not even be able to find any good in it either. That monotonous voice really works. As for his shouting when blasting the radome, you'd be surprised at how people's voices can change on adrenaline.
@filipeflower Well, alright. But how would you know that? As a matter of fact, this isn't a normal human being we're talking about. This is a weaponized human killing machine. I doubt they would have made him so easy to stop.
Maybe you should ask yourself the same question. Also, the term "normal" is very relative, if you ask me. And even if he is hard to stop, he still has the same human characteristics as anyone else. Like feeling pain or falling in love (Natasha Marcova, remember ?). So he shouldn't be talking out loud like that after beeing pinned against a wall so heavily. Instead of accepting this, you just creative whatever bullcrap theories you see fit to justify something that you aren't an expert at.
@filipeflower Eh? Perhaps I should chop that tree down outside my house. And burn everything that looks like it can be used as camoflage for observing me in my room. Matter of fact, I should probably warn my grandma too.
In all seriousness, though, I don't recall making up any theories, let alone bullcrap ones. As for normal being relative, well then I'll ask my gym partners about their routines to enlarge their mechanical muscles. Maybe even ask them what model of mecha balls they have.
I don't see what your tree or your burn has to do with this, but whatever.
You don't recall? Then I'll recall for you. Read your previous comments again. Carefully read them, letter by letter. You didn't provide any official material that supports your fan-made theories that were created to justify the unnecessary inconsistencies that the people made in this game. And yet you acted so sure of yourself like it's all fine. And I don't see what your gym partners have to do with this either.
@filipeflower Oh, good, I'm safe, then. I see what you mean, now. Alright, then, but why didn't you mention that before? Not that it matters, seeing as how fans can find genius ways to fill in the blanks. And besides, what's your theory, then? Is there anything that backs up what you believe?
Same old trick. When someone comes up with stuff like this and realizes that stuff can't be prooven, that someone asks ther other someone to proove his point. That trick is old and cliché and (quite frankly) it doesn't amuse me anymore. First of all, if you were the first one who started that, you should be the one to proove it first, not me. Unlike you, I didn't create any theories to "fill in the blanks" (as you say it). I actually researched this and Jaeger's voice should not be like that .
@filipeflower Care to share the results with the rest of the class, then? Speaking of which, I wasn't trying to be amusing. Considering how adamant you're being, I was under the impression you had a better understanding of what should've happened and I thought you'd like to share what you know and enlighten me from being complete moron who tries to make excuses for pathetic performances rather than cynically and cleverly pointing them out.
#2- What I tried to mention before (which I couldn't because of my lack of space) is that Frank Jaeger's voice should not sound like that after beeing pinned heavily against a wall with that brutality. He survived, but he still suffered heavy damage because of that, which also alters his voice. It's a basic phisics thing. No one can escape from this, no matter how "super" you are considered. And yet Rob made a mistake by using his "normal" voice.
Why didn't I mention that before? Oh, I didn't know you were depending on me to mention little stuff like that, (considering that you appear to use your brain in an independent way), so I didn't think it was necessary for me to mention that to you. But anyway, that little theory of yours is complete bullcrap. And I highly doubt you even tried testing it. Jaeger's voice should not sound like that after beeing pinned heavily against a wall with that kind of brutality. No one is free from this.
@filipeflower Crushed lungs, then? Fine, then, that's plausible. But is that as plausible as Old Snake dragging himself through a corridor of microwaves by the tips of his fingers?
I wasn't depending on you to mention it. I just thought it would be nice if you did, that's all. Manners matter. But considering that most of his body has turned into a machine, I can easily imagine him overcoming the pain and damage for one last sputter before short-circuiting.
Besides, it's not as if he didn't genuinely sound as though he were about to die after he emptied his laser cannon. Those last lines before he was crushed were haunting. Though, of course, free to disagree after all.
I thought being on the brink of death in that situation was kind of equivalent to being heavily damaged. The difference in his voice here and other parts may be subtle, but it's there.
Old Snake is from 'Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the The Patriots'. That doesn't count here, since we're talking about a past different game on a different past story (don't try to use that as an excuse next time). But anyway, that doesn't justify what they did here. Since this is a remake and considering that you used the term "realistic", you should agree that it is more realistic to use a "raspy" voice in this situation, instead of a healthy voice that doesn't seem to be affected at all .
@filipeflower How does it not qualify? And I was referring to the way he spoke in general, not in regards to this particular situation when I said "realistic". Is his non-emoting bad because it doesn't express how sad his situation is? Frankly, having lost the ability to really care about anything anymore or express yourself to the people you really love can be far more tragic than crying over every bad thing that happens to you. That's for others in general.
And I think it's obvious how much of his body is a machine considering the only organic part of him you see is his face and the fact that they built him back up after he was blown apart by a landmine. And I gave it another listen and he definitely doesn't sound healthy.
#1- Just because we only saw his face, that doesn't mean every other part of his body is messed up. I mean, it's not like we have X-ray vision (like Superman) or that we planned that from the start (like Hideo Kojima). I still have doubts as to how many parts of Gray Fox's body still remain almost the same way as his face.
#2- What source of information says that Gray Fox was blown apart by a landmine? That's like the 10th time I hear that bullcrap again! 3 years ago, Jesus Christ !
@filipeflower The Metal Gear Wiki, which, might I add, cites almost all of its information. Now, I know it's not official, but it's not as though it's extremely unlikely he could have been blown apart by one after Snake beat him. They were fighting barehanded in a minefield during Metal Gear 2. There has to be some wiggle-room, after all.
I knew it! You rely on that OnLine encyclopedia which can be altered by any fanboy of this franchise for whatever selfish reasons or mis-interpretations they have. A long time ago, when I first looked at information about Gray Fox on that same website, it didn't say anything about him beeing blown apart by a landmine and years later, when I returned to that same Wiki...it suddenly says he was blown apart by a landmine? I mean, what the *EFF*? That's what several fanboys have been claimming!
@filipeflower And what's wrong with using a wiki? A wiki with a piece of information that makes little to no sense for anyone to edit for "selfish" reasons. From what I can tell, your militancy doesn't really make you look all that different from these fanboys. Just because the information was there years later doesn't mean it's fake or anything.
What's wrong is that there are people who, in fact, edit that information on wikis like those for their own selfish reasons. There are fanboys who do that. You may not believe it, but this is the truth. That is why I have to make sure this information isn't a trick. If you believe that wikis are 100% trustworthy, then you're beeing naïve (also, I don't know what "militancy" means). Oh, and don't you even think about mistaking me for those fanboys, because you don't know me well .
(before you reply to this comment, make sure you read the other ones that you missed) The fact that this information wasd added to the Wiki years later is enough to make a person feel suspicious. I mean, if this was true all along, then why didn't they mentioned this before? Is Gray Fox's death by a landmine such a huge-butt secret (compared to the other stuff we've seen so far)? Bullcrap! Nothing in the games says he died because of a landmine and the M.G.S.4 database is not true 100%.
@filipeflower yes he did died of a landmine, since he faced snake in hand to hand combat in the middle of a mine field...snake just knocked him into a mine and boom...what did you expect?.
I expected people (including the writting staff) to be more honest with themselves (and others, if possible). First of all, just because they fought barehanded in a minefield, that doesn't mean a landmine was the cause of Gray Fox's death. Secondly, nothing in the video-games says that Gray Fox died because of a landmine. And I don't believe in the Metal Gear Wiki, because that can be altered, just like Wikipedia. And third...that explosion wasn't literal. It was a visual metaphor .
It doesn't count, because that's a different game (which I never mentioned in my previous comment, unlike you) that was only made years later (and 'Metal Gear Solid 4' has more bullcrap than this game here). When I reffer to 'Metal Gear Solid 4', we'll talk about 'Metal Gear Solid 4'. But for now, let's focus on this one. And just to remind you, he does have emotions, but the condition he's in just doesn't let him do that properly. And apparently someone from the staff over-looked that.
You don't know how much of his body is "machine", so don't say "most" unless you can proove it. And your imagination might be carrying you away, because even though he survived that, his body still suffered damage and so did his voice. However, Rob Paulsen used his normal healthy voice instead in this scene. I have nothing against Rob (since he voiced my favorite Ninja Turtle), but couldn't he pay attention to this? Either this was his fault or someone in charge of the direction messed up here.
I agree there, I loved how Fox sounded in the original one, and he looks pretty impressive in this one, but the voices in this one were a bit too hard, but Liquid sounds how he should be (a heartless bastard in this version and should of in the original), but Fox is emotional, as he and Solid, sound how they should in the original, and that matrix crap is what ruined it. I'm such a big fan of Fox, and I felt sorry for him. He was suffering and wanted his pain to end, and not be a killer anymore.
Theres a massive lack of emotion in the dialogue here, unlike in the original game. Fox doesn't sound half as "hard" and they got rid of a few classic lines like "everytime I looked at her, I saw her parent's eyes looking back at me" etc. Also, the whole "matrix element" is way over the top!
I can dig the animation, even the cinematics, but the dialogue is changed and i think the original one is better. parts like "he prayed for his death, and it found him" are classics. Shame on Kojima for letting change this.
i just hate the idea of them making this. I know i'll get 40 thumbs down, but the original is just so much better. David hayter doesn't sound as badass in Twin snakes as he did in the others. I'm ashamed. Aw well. I still love MGS1, substance, snake eater, and GOTP. CANT WAIT FOR RISING!!!!
that's why i don't understand the hate of mgrising, since the day i saw gray fox i want to play as him, and he the first cyborg ever had all that strength, its comprehensive that raiden has the strength of that trailer
rafasc94 2 weeks ago
Ps1 better because of the background music
Protozoli 1 month ago
epic just epic, bye ....fox
osmanpbs 1 month ago
WOW the Graphig...
lolxd433 2 months ago
METAL GEAR SOLID PSX IS BETTER
360Tano 3 months ago 2
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silkyskame 3 months ago
During Fox's speech after he is pinned against the wall, it sounded WAY more better in the original, the echo effect, along with the music.
SamND967 3 months ago
@SamND967 No...just no...never ever say the new game is better than the original... thats just asking for a bitch slap.
scotty2707 2 months ago
@scotty2707 Dude, I said in the ORIGNAL! =P You know? The PS1 version? PS1 > GC version.
SamND967 2 months ago
@SamND967 wow this is embarrassing, my apologies to you mate. I should have read it properly first :( eitherway good man! Original FTW!
scotty2707 2 months ago
@SamND967 not
kiaelinkx 1 month ago
Gray fox and raiden are two different people and miller is liquid
chrome730LoD 3 months ago
2 things: is grey fox raiden or related to raiden in any way? is that Miller controlling Metal Gear Rex?
x1FPR1x 3 months ago
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GamerSam13 3 months ago
@x1FPR1x No this is Liquid
BestSolidSnake007 2 months ago
.....did snake get saved by spiderman???
sonazki 3 months ago
Anyone else notice that Fox has an arm cannon like Samus?
HardcoreGamer64 4 months ago
is this game rare to find? cuz' i was looking gamefaqs board (metal gear solid the twin snakes) and all the people says is very rare and hard to find.. sooo is true?
goldensun003 4 months ago
@goldensun003 no, that is NOT true. i found the game at gamestop.
Saiyuki2o4 1 month ago
why dint u shoot?
tutoriales4822 4 months ago
Kojima Productions has talked about wanting to remake it again. And apparently they are started doing motion capture for another MGS game. It can't be Rising, that's probably done already since it's coming out next year. Notice how MGS1 is not part of the HD collection?
ItalianTony86 5 months ago
When did Kojima Productions said anything about that ?
filipeflower 4 months ago
@filipeflower It was a few months ago. It was a article put on The Snake Soup, probably the biggest MGS website. Type "kojima productions wants to remake metal gear solid" into google and it's your first return. I really hope this to be true since TTS was a bad remake. Poor acting, bad music and over the top cutscenes. And honestly, I'm so SICK of playing as Big Boss. But it looks like their MAY be a sequel to Peace Walker coming out.
ItalianTony86 4 months ago
What ? Another sequel ? Don't these guys have enough already ?
filipeflower 4 months ago
-Snake picks up the sword-
Snake: I will defeat you with this!!!
Me: Cooooool
Snake: No wait that's stupid. -Stabs into ground- I'm just gonna run at you completely unarmed WEEEEE!!!!
Me: OHHHH because that's a much better idea.....idiot.
Psychowolf0208 5 months ago 8
I hate how they changed Grey Fox's voice in Twin Snakes.
MGSKakashi 5 months ago
@MGSKakashi Why's that? It's better imo.
LordMooseifer 5 months ago
I really need to play this game again.
I think I'm gonna play it in Japanese to make it a real new whole experience.
pandachinoman 5 months ago
When the fuck did Gray Fox get that awesome costume? What do I have to do to get him to wear it??
dobadobadooo 6 months ago 2
@dobadobadooo Beat the game 2 or three times.
AdamSpencer87 6 months ago
@dobadobadooo he looks like spiderman in this! lol
zhenry2 4 months ago
@dobadobadooo You actually have to survive Ocelot's torture. When Meryl gives you the bandana, it changes Snake's and Fox's costumes.
GrayFoxGrayFox 2 hours ago
cool...Grayfox is strong!
TOSHIDU 6 months ago
It kind of never really dawned on me until now that he just fucking crushed him into a paste on the floor. That's gross.
Bloodcider 6 months ago
who thinks there making a stand alone version of this game for xbox360 and ps3 with mgs4 graphics and engine with the same dialog and cutscenes as the original or gamecube versions tumbs up if you agree and think they should if there not
solidsnaker1992 6 months ago
I kind of agree with you, solidsnaker1992, but there's a lot to be sad about that .
filipeflower 6 months ago
@filipeflower yea i know but it would still be awesome if they did i know it would sell easy
solidsnaker1992 6 months ago
@solidsnaker1992
They are doing a HD remake of Sons of Liberty, Snake Eater and Peace Walker for PS3, not sure about the 1st one or about it being on xbox.
SupersaiyanBruce 5 months ago
@solidsnaker1992 with the mgs4 engine, it wont be able to play on the xbox, or atleast have all the features the ps3 version has because of not enough space :)
sintony14 5 months ago
Fox:*splat*
Liquid:eww *scraps the bottom of the Rex foot on the floor*
ememannen 6 months ago
the only guy that doesn't like this video can suck my balls
fabristan 6 months ago
Psx version was waaaaay better
CheesterCheetos 7 months ago
hehe
he sayd deep throat :D
Shetyre 7 months ago
What happends when you shoot the Stinger?
xXSHEFTXx666 7 months ago
@xXSHEFTXx666 If you try, you hear Snake say "It's no good, I can't do it!"
solidfreak123 7 months ago
@solidfreak123 Ok
xXSHEFTXx666 7 months ago
The PS1 background music was waaaaay better in this scene.
SolidusBR 8 months ago 17
lol Mr. Deep Throat
mau571 9 months ago
Hmmm the orignal grey fox voice is much better, though this one is pretty cool.
GingerKibble 9 months ago
I like the original fox...
davidiscool92 9 months ago
I liked it when gray fox sounded like a middleaged black man
XXxResputenxXX 10 months ago
Looking back, they made Liquid sound like the perfect stereotypical British villain. Heh.
AeonCommander 10 months ago
ADAM IS SPIDER MAN!!!! and samus...
Metroid1890 10 months ago
Why do you call him ADAM? He's not Ocelot, you know.
filipeflower 7 months ago
@filipeflower Srry, I've got confused, he is Frank Jaeger or Gray fox
Metroid1890 7 months ago
Exactly. Gray Fox is his codename and Frank Jaeger is his real name.
ADAM is Ocelot's alternative codename, whose real name happens to be----Shalashaska .
filipeflower 7 months ago
@filipeflower
actually you dont know is real name Frank Jaeger was a name he got back in the war before he was in foxhound or a cyborg ninja
the name literaly translates into Frank Hunter
jparker0702 4 months ago
Why are you telling me stuff I already know ?
filipeflower 4 months ago
@filipeflower because you said his real name is Frank Jeager which it isnt...
jparker0702 4 months ago
Well, it's not my fault the game's manual actually says that .
filipeflower 4 months ago
ADAM IS SPIDER MAN!!!!
Metroid1890 10 months ago
A cornered fox ist more dangerous than a jakal...!
genso84 11 months ago
Christ, the voice act is so baaad in this version.
ancientpatrician 1 year ago
HOW DO YOU GET SPIDER MAN SUIT?
mybrad78 1 year ago
whait is this the same room as you fight vamp in mgs4
MrPlaystationboy 1 year ago 2
@MrPlaystationboy yes it is the same room
94BruceLee 1 year ago
@MrPlaystationboy You mean was thsi the same room where REX was destroyed in MGS1? Yes.
hollowsephiroth 7 months ago
As much as I love Metal Gear and Solid snake.... snake was gay in this fight.
RGInquisitor 1 year ago
Dam, This game looks so much better on the gamecube. Why didn`t I buy this when I had one :(
wholoves420 1 year ago
4:06 i know Ocelot was like "Justice served >:D "
narutoslady123 1 year ago
he look like spiderman why?
steffimammamia 1 year ago
Very painful death if you ask me.....
MrTuxedo056 1 year ago
So why didn't Fox kill Liquid at the seemingly dozen other opportunities? Why did he wait until he was in a giant robot that was impervious to his attacks?
NotTooWellKnown 1 year ago
@NotTooWellKnown
Hey yeah, considering he can be invisible and is super sneaky, probably wouldn't be that hard.
Usul573 1 year ago
@NotTooWellKnown Wasn't his job to kill liquid, was his job to kill dr. clark
neocomp92 1 year ago
8:05 Snake is thinking "maybe I can give a sword like this to a blond, effeminate, pussy-whipped pretty boy in the future...nah that'd be silly."
JamesOhGoodie 1 year ago
4:00 Liquid is FIRIN' HIS LAZOR!!! BLAAAAAH!!!
JamesOhGoodie 1 year ago
@AdamSpencer87
i played this game for few years.I was a child,and now i see cuting things.Are you play this game on your PC or on the Ps1 ? I want this game please too.;)
MultiLegend94 1 year ago
@MultiLegend94 This game is for Gamecube, it's a remake of the PSX version.
AdamSpencer87 1 year ago
@AdamSpencer87 can i play this game for ps3 ? can i download from the ps store?
jonhjacksnake 10 months ago
@jonhjacksnake I think you can download the psx version of mgs but this is thee gamecube version get psx version it may have crappier graphics but i think its alot better than this version.
sholva81 9 months ago
@AdamSpencer87 And the remake sucks. Go play the ps1 version. They really over-did some of these scenes. The should've just left as it was.
Einhander49 9 months ago
es mucho mas expresivo esta escena en version de españa
XXXXSOLIDSNAKEXXXX 1 year ago
woah fox was crushed badly
WiseAlbertwesker 1 year ago
This was a good remake...but I think they should have waited longer before doing it. Making it with graphics better than MGS4 but keeping the original dialog and sounds would be beyond epic. Anyone who says the original is not better is so stupid. I mean...when the hell did snake become a fucking acrobat??
borgoff55 1 year ago 13
awesome cutscene. whomever says that twin snakes isnt as good as the origonal is simply being a fanboy. this game was amazing.
Forthias 1 year ago
why is on best cuality the game??
giovanni23048 1 year ago
aguante gray fox
chapa2100 1 year ago
JODER!
crackakillah 1 year ago
did gray fox just say his name sounds better from deep throat
BattlefieldHigh 1 year ago
I say fox fared a pit better against rex in this version than in ps1 version
ikosabre 1 year ago
It would be awesome if you can use the sword as a Weapon, like MGS2
DecoySephiroth 1 year ago
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karim300080 1 year ago
gray looks like dead pool
MICHAELYMTR 1 year ago
japan thought spider man vs rex would amuse us.well it did
GamesHaven1 1 year ago
this is...dark...
aquelescaraaaaaaaaaa 1 year ago
now we know why there is no 4th spiderman
Drew59583 1 year ago
my only problem with this game is that the music from the ps1 was more epic and made u feel sorry for the characters. while here its more like just pure action.
zgeneral161 1 year ago
daaaaamn, when i first saw 4:19 i thought some more fighting was about to happen but i soon realize that Grey Fox gets fuckin owned...sad moment for him, that seemed painful.
Cerulian15 1 year ago
better in psx i thing
DarkSideLordSith 1 year ago
imo growing up with only playing the original, this, for me kills the scene, the original is soooooo much better...
Chossinganamesux 1 year ago
wtf?! what did they do to the voices thanks for arse raping one of the best games ever made silicon knights
vegeta0123 1 year ago
@vegeta0123 lol, you seriously thought it was a good idea to have a black guy do voiceovers for a white man? it never fit to me at all...
Forthias 1 year ago
this is absolutely fucking awful compared ot the original
asnowcrash 1 year ago
gray fox is badass
XShawnOfTheDeadX 1 year ago
to much blood
DerHalbeEuro 1 year ago
its me, or grey fox looks like spider-man?
pinguijose 1 year ago
This is one of the few parts I think is better in the remake
Kikinutkiksass 1 year ago
i liked both the fox voice actors
although i liked ocelots ps1 voice better
Arzaker 1 year ago
I think you guys are being a bit too hard on the new voice acting.
Personally, I find Paulsen's version to be more realistic than Eagles'. After looking back at his entire life, he really ought to be sounding more like he's trying to be happy to finally be at death's door for good, only for him to not even be able to find any good in it either. That monotonous voice really works. As for his shouting when blasting the radome, you'd be surprised at how people's voices can change on adrenaline.
rEtENEKE 1 year ago
I agree with rEtENEKE
FieryGatoh 1 year ago
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filipeflower 8 months ago
@rEtENEKE i dont know i really liked the robotic voice badass
Th3SP1C 1 year ago
rEtENEKE ,I'm sorry aboput replying to your comment after 1 whole year, but your comment isn't very convincing.
filipeflower 9 months ago
@filipeflower Oh, it's all good. But, uh, how's it not very convincing?
rEtENEKE 8 months ago
I mean, it's not like you're an expert on human anatomy or anything like that.
filipeflower 8 months ago
@filipeflower Well, alright. But how would you know that? As a matter of fact, this isn't a normal human being we're talking about. This is a weaponized human killing machine. I doubt they would have made him so easy to stop.
rEtENEKE 8 months ago
Maybe you should ask yourself the same question. Also, the term "normal" is very relative, if you ask me. And even if he is hard to stop, he still has the same human characteristics as anyone else. Like feeling pain or falling in love (Natasha Marcova, remember ?). So he shouldn't be talking out loud like that after beeing pinned against a wall so heavily. Instead of accepting this, you just creative whatever bullcrap theories you see fit to justify something that you aren't an expert at.
filipeflower 8 months ago
@filipeflower Eh? Perhaps I should chop that tree down outside my house. And burn everything that looks like it can be used as camoflage for observing me in my room. Matter of fact, I should probably warn my grandma too.
In all seriousness, though, I don't recall making up any theories, let alone bullcrap ones. As for normal being relative, well then I'll ask my gym partners about their routines to enlarge their mechanical muscles. Maybe even ask them what model of mecha balls they have.
rEtENEKE 8 months ago
I don't see what your tree or your burn has to do with this, but whatever.
You don't recall? Then I'll recall for you. Read your previous comments again. Carefully read them, letter by letter. You didn't provide any official material that supports your fan-made theories that were created to justify the unnecessary inconsistencies that the people made in this game. And yet you acted so sure of yourself like it's all fine. And I don't see what your gym partners have to do with this either.
filipeflower 8 months ago
@filipeflower Oh, good, I'm safe, then. I see what you mean, now. Alright, then, but why didn't you mention that before? Not that it matters, seeing as how fans can find genius ways to fill in the blanks. And besides, what's your theory, then? Is there anything that backs up what you believe?
rEtENEKE 8 months ago
Same old trick. When someone comes up with stuff like this and realizes that stuff can't be prooven, that someone asks ther other someone to proove his point. That trick is old and cliché and (quite frankly) it doesn't amuse me anymore. First of all, if you were the first one who started that, you should be the one to proove it first, not me. Unlike you, I didn't create any theories to "fill in the blanks" (as you say it). I actually researched this and Jaeger's voice should not be like that .
filipeflower 8 months ago
@filipeflower Care to share the results with the rest of the class, then? Speaking of which, I wasn't trying to be amusing. Considering how adamant you're being, I was under the impression you had a better understanding of what should've happened and I thought you'd like to share what you know and enlighten me from being complete moron who tries to make excuses for pathetic performances rather than cynically and cleverly pointing them out.
This is a good conversation.
rEtENEKE 8 months ago
#1- Class? I thought this wasn't a school.
#2- What I tried to mention before (which I couldn't because of my lack of space) is that Frank Jaeger's voice should not sound like that after beeing pinned heavily against a wall with that brutality. He survived, but he still suffered heavy damage because of that, which also alters his voice. It's a basic phisics thing. No one can escape from this, no matter how "super" you are considered. And yet Rob made a mistake by using his "normal" voice.
filipeflower 8 months ago
Why didn't I mention that before? Oh, I didn't know you were depending on me to mention little stuff like that, (considering that you appear to use your brain in an independent way), so I didn't think it was necessary for me to mention that to you. But anyway, that little theory of yours is complete bullcrap. And I highly doubt you even tried testing it. Jaeger's voice should not sound like that after beeing pinned heavily against a wall with that kind of brutality. No one is free from this.
filipeflower 8 months ago
@filipeflower Crushed lungs, then? Fine, then, that's plausible. But is that as plausible as Old Snake dragging himself through a corridor of microwaves by the tips of his fingers?
I wasn't depending on you to mention it. I just thought it would be nice if you did, that's all. Manners matter. But considering that most of his body has turned into a machine, I can easily imagine him overcoming the pain and damage for one last sputter before short-circuiting.
rEtENEKE 8 months ago
Besides, it's not as if he didn't genuinely sound as though he were about to die after he emptied his laser cannon. Those last lines before he was crushed were haunting. Though, of course, free to disagree after all.
rEtENEKE 8 months ago
Uh, I don't think you caught all my comments here. Try again.
filipeflower 8 months ago
I thought being on the brink of death in that situation was kind of equivalent to being heavily damaged. The difference in his voice here and other parts may be subtle, but it's there.
rEtENEKE 8 months ago
If that's what you meant, that is.
rEtENEKE 8 months ago
Again, you're ignoring my other comments. Try clicking on "View All" to really catch on.
filipeflower 8 months ago
Old Snake is from 'Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the The Patriots'. That doesn't count here, since we're talking about a past different game on a different past story (don't try to use that as an excuse next time). But anyway, that doesn't justify what they did here. Since this is a remake and considering that you used the term "realistic", you should agree that it is more realistic to use a "raspy" voice in this situation, instead of a healthy voice that doesn't seem to be affected at all .
filipeflower 8 months ago
@filipeflower How does it not qualify? And I was referring to the way he spoke in general, not in regards to this particular situation when I said "realistic". Is his non-emoting bad because it doesn't express how sad his situation is? Frankly, having lost the ability to really care about anything anymore or express yourself to the people you really love can be far more tragic than crying over every bad thing that happens to you. That's for others in general.
rEtENEKE 8 months ago
And I think it's obvious how much of his body is a machine considering the only organic part of him you see is his face and the fact that they built him back up after he was blown apart by a landmine. And I gave it another listen and he definitely doesn't sound healthy.
rEtENEKE 8 months ago
#1- Just because we only saw his face, that doesn't mean every other part of his body is messed up. I mean, it's not like we have X-ray vision (like Superman) or that we planned that from the start (like Hideo Kojima). I still have doubts as to how many parts of Gray Fox's body still remain almost the same way as his face.
#2- What source of information says that Gray Fox was blown apart by a landmine? That's like the 10th time I hear that bullcrap again! 3 years ago, Jesus Christ !
filipeflower 8 months ago
@filipeflower The Metal Gear Wiki, which, might I add, cites almost all of its information. Now, I know it's not official, but it's not as though it's extremely unlikely he could have been blown apart by one after Snake beat him. They were fighting barehanded in a minefield during Metal Gear 2. There has to be some wiggle-room, after all.
rEtENEKE 8 months ago
I knew it! You rely on that OnLine encyclopedia which can be altered by any fanboy of this franchise for whatever selfish reasons or mis-interpretations they have. A long time ago, when I first looked at information about Gray Fox on that same website, it didn't say anything about him beeing blown apart by a landmine and years later, when I returned to that same Wiki...it suddenly says he was blown apart by a landmine? I mean, what the *EFF*? That's what several fanboys have been claimming!
filipeflower 8 months ago
@filipeflower And what's wrong with using a wiki? A wiki with a piece of information that makes little to no sense for anyone to edit for "selfish" reasons. From what I can tell, your militancy doesn't really make you look all that different from these fanboys. Just because the information was there years later doesn't mean it's fake or anything.
rEtENEKE 8 months ago
What's wrong is that there are people who, in fact, edit that information on wikis like those for their own selfish reasons. There are fanboys who do that. You may not believe it, but this is the truth. That is why I have to make sure this information isn't a trick. If you believe that wikis are 100% trustworthy, then you're beeing naïve (also, I don't know what "militancy" means). Oh, and don't you even think about mistaking me for those fanboys, because you don't know me well .
filipeflower 8 months ago
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filipeflower 8 months ago
(before you reply to this comment, make sure you read the other ones that you missed) The fact that this information wasd added to the Wiki years later is enough to make a person feel suspicious. I mean, if this was true all along, then why didn't they mentioned this before? Is Gray Fox's death by a landmine such a huge-butt secret (compared to the other stuff we've seen so far)? Bullcrap! Nothing in the games says he died because of a landmine and the M.G.S.4 database is not true 100%.
filipeflower 8 months ago
@filipeflower yes he did died of a landmine, since he faced snake in hand to hand combat in the middle of a mine field...snake just knocked him into a mine and boom...what did you expect?.
ALEXtilionx 8 months ago
I expected people (including the writting staff) to be more honest with themselves (and others, if possible). First of all, just because they fought barehanded in a minefield, that doesn't mean a landmine was the cause of Gray Fox's death. Secondly, nothing in the video-games says that Gray Fox died because of a landmine. And I don't believe in the Metal Gear Wiki, because that can be altered, just like Wikipedia. And third...that explosion wasn't literal. It was a visual metaphor .
filipeflower 8 months ago
It doesn't count, because that's a different game (which I never mentioned in my previous comment, unlike you) that was only made years later (and 'Metal Gear Solid 4' has more bullcrap than this game here). When I reffer to 'Metal Gear Solid 4', we'll talk about 'Metal Gear Solid 4'. But for now, let's focus on this one. And just to remind you, he does have emotions, but the condition he's in just doesn't let him do that properly. And apparently someone from the staff over-looked that.
filipeflower 8 months ago
You don't know how much of his body is "machine", so don't say "most" unless you can proove it. And your imagination might be carrying you away, because even though he survived that, his body still suffered damage and so did his voice. However, Rob Paulsen used his normal healthy voice instead in this scene. I have nothing against Rob (since he voiced my favorite Ninja Turtle), but couldn't he pay attention to this? Either this was his fault or someone in charge of the direction messed up here.
filipeflower 8 months ago
I agree there, I loved how Fox sounded in the original one, and he looks pretty impressive in this one, but the voices in this one were a bit too hard, but Liquid sounds how he should be (a heartless bastard in this version and should of in the original), but Fox is emotional, as he and Solid, sound how they should in the original, and that matrix crap is what ruined it. I'm such a big fan of Fox, and I felt sorry for him. He was suffering and wanted his pain to end, and not be a killer anymore.
YamiMutou 1 year ago
Theres a massive lack of emotion in the dialogue here, unlike in the original game. Fox doesn't sound half as "hard" and they got rid of a few classic lines like "everytime I looked at her, I saw her parent's eyes looking back at me" etc. Also, the whole "matrix element" is way over the top!
thecrazychemist 2 years ago
I can dig the animation, even the cinematics, but the dialogue is changed and i think the original one is better. parts like "he prayed for his death, and it found him" are classics. Shame on Kojima for letting change this.
kalelg4 2 years ago 2
i just hate the idea of them making this. I know i'll get 40 thumbs down, but the original is just so much better. David hayter doesn't sound as badass in Twin snakes as he did in the others. I'm ashamed. Aw well. I still love MGS1, substance, snake eater, and GOTP. CANT WAIT FOR RISING!!!!
SJNestor88 1 year ago 2
if that was spiderman and he had a sword he would defenatly be out of charicter lol
bionicleboy97 2 years ago
Man its been so long since Metal Gear Solid Twin Snakes came out and I still cant get over that they killed Grey Fox...
g4man41 2 years ago
i cant get over Olga died.
Nicholas121093 2 years ago
spiderman saves snake! xD
vejitasam 2 years ago
@vejitasam Megaman saves snake
carlos18ok 2 years ago
JODER!
juniorjabbaccrane62 2 years ago
howd you get the suit?
LegendOfLink5130 2 years ago
End the game 2 times. The third time you'll be wearing it.
AdamSpencer87 2 years ago
@AdamSpencer87 any diffuculty?
Th3SP1C 1 year ago
@LegendOfLink5130
play two time with 2 different ending (otacon & meryl). at the 3rd time you will get this suit!
fahlazad 1 year ago
am i the only that thinks he looks like spiderman?
yoyoadriankingofgame 2 years ago 17
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"Snake..." "What is it?" "You owe Grey Fox one." Snake lets Grey Fox get killed. "Now i don't." "You're a b*tch Snake you know that?" POW!
MultiHERO92 2 years ago
...Nope, sorry Grey Fox, I can't un-hear Raphael the Turtle's voice.
Gomess 2 years ago
guys how do you get a romote control missle
boomthehedgehog1 2 years ago
O_O the Tux snake was annoying lol clear both endings i had troulbe on Extreme on PSX coz my arm got sore after the 4th part on the torture machine
xerio 2 years ago
I'LL SEND YOU BACK TO HELL!
ryant457 2 years ago
i just got this game so is this how thiss game ends
boomthehedgehog1 2 years ago
snake+tuxedo=win
ryant457 2 years ago
yep but then after he died the got the new megaman, not as good as grayfox v.v
SonicDomain1 2 years ago
What the fuck? Grayfox is megaman?
Pipoca19 2 years ago
Jeez twin snakes was an ugly game. They sshould have waited longer before they made a remake.
borgoff55 2 years ago
man i would have love to use hreyfoxes sword on this game
joseandresreyes 2 years ago
yeah.when my brother and I were at that scene and he was taking the sword up we were like:"yes YES YEEESS"
then when he slashed it into the ground
we were like:"NOOOOO SNAAAAAKE aww who cares he's better on with his fists" xD
Linko1234 2 years ago