Looks like the teacher and many others need a refresher course in US history and Bible literacy as well. This issue was taken to the Supreme Court back in the 1940s by a group of true Christians who follow the Bible requirement not to pledge allegiance to anything but God and his government (see Lord's prayer in Bible). In 1943, the Supreme Court ruled in "West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette" that public school students are not required to say the Pledge or stand for the Pledge.
The pledge of allegiance has lost it's true meaning and has become a mantra of false patriotism. Those who would have us feel un-American for sitting down are the very ones who are being un-american, by attempting to restrict our freedom of expression.
I completely understand not supporting this fuckered up current governmental system that has got awry,....but the pledge of allegiance doesn't really apply to the current government does it?, This current system is very far removed from what was being pledged to when this was first used with pride. I would think you'd want the republic of old to return. While I could definitely go without the whole god reference, the founders got so much right that I can give them that lol.
you rock my lady.... I am always very happy when the young people show their courage and intelligence refusing to submit to the insanity that goes on in public schools
@YaDigggg42 Nicely put. Why is it so hard to understand that there's a perfectly good reason kids are supposed to stand up and recite the pledge of allegiance. Every good American knows to shut up, get in line, and not cause any waves. So-called free thinkers like this girl are going to be the demise of this great country.
@joembush Completely wrong Joe you blind followers are going to be the demise of this once great country. "Every good American knows to shut up, get in line, and not cause any waves." What a cowardly thing to say! BAH BAH blind sheep.
@YaDigggg42 Because we all know that's the way it should be in a free land such as ours. You should be locked up for having your own views on things. Well, I think u should be arrested for thinking that way!
You know what, personally I love my country. While it is a country in distress, I will always stand for the pledge of allegiance. However, forcing someone to stand for a pledge of loyalty in a free country is ridiculous and dangerous.
@PersonguydudeWB Myself, I pledge my alleigience to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights of the Unites States of America and the Universal Charter of Rights and Freedom which the United States along with dozens of other countries drew up and ratififed.
They should not have forced her to stand. However, the pledge is not a pledge of loyalty to a piece of cloth, nor to a particular administration. It is a pledge of loyalty to a County, your home, the place that allowed you to be born free. If you don't like what's going on in govt, then fight to change it, but don't diss our country and its hard won freedoms.
Her school may have been really good a regimented teaching, but they obviously failed at teaching this child how her freedoms came to be.
@bookhound63; We don't live in a country, we live in a federation of free, sovereign and independent states, a Union. Your school failed to teach you accurate history. The pledge was written in 1892 by Francis Bellamy, a Christian Socialist, and the cousin of Socialist Utopian novelist Edward Bellamy.
"The true theory of our Constitution is surely the wisest and best, that he States are independent as to everything within themselves, and united as to everything respecting foreign nations" T.J.
What a load of shit. YES, the government CAN help you take care of yourself and help everyone (but some capitalist parasites) by maintaining infrastructure and institutions necessary for a fairer capitalism and a little democracy. What your government has done wrong is bailout the wealthy parasites that own and run America and caused the GFC. US govt is massive on welfare; WELFARE FOR THE RICH. Welfare for workers fucked over or in between is GOOD welfare for the rich parasites is injustice!
The pledge is clearly an attempt to indoctrinate. What about standing for the national anthem before sporting events? Same thing. Submision is desirable. The pledge is a conscious act, but what about all the indoctrination that is directed at the subconscious mind?
I started refusing to stand for the pledge this year in 8th grade at Londonderry middle school. teachers did not force me i am going to try it next year at londonderry high school.
USA is not FREE, there is no such thing as a FREE country. If you don't pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, then you don't stand for the values and morals of this country. All citizens of the USA need to take this pledge if you don't, then find ANOTHER country to pledge your allegiance to. Absolutely ludicrous and disrespectful. If you don't like it, then LEAVE, no one is stopping you.
@elitehacker01 Wow. It's a two minute thing buddy. If you don't pledge your wife every day does that mean you don't love her? If you did pledge her every day and then stole from her and cheated on her would your two minute pledge make up for it? You are giving great weight to a two minute ritual. It is simply that: a ritual. Pledge don't pledge, it doesn't mean anything. And if forced to pledge my loyalty daily then I would refuse because its ridiculous. It means nothing.
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands: one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. While reciting the pledge of allegiance, citizens stand at attention or place the right hand over the heart. Men should remove their hats, and military personnel in uniform face the flag and give the military salute.
Good for a shit-stir I suppose. In the wide sweep of things though I doubt whether too many Haitians care at the moment. And let's face it a billion chinamen haven't even heard about it. Nobody on this planet will miss a few missing school pledges.
Of greater concern is the attitude that 'I don't have to do anything'. I hope this extends to receiving taxpayer funded assistance in life of any sort.
Not at all. The pledge was written by a socialist flag salesman. He purposely included language meant to undermine the constitution. Our founding fathers would have fought against children being politically indoctrinated in government institutions. Me and my kids love America and the values she was founded on. I don't need or want the government teaching my kids political values.
"one nation under god indivisible..." Mr.Bellamy included this because he disliked state sovereignty.
All of my previous statements still stand. Francis Bellamy was a very anti American outspoken socialist. I don't care to have a government institution teaching my kids his pledge. Still we love America and my kids are taught to be loyal to her and the constitution.
An oath of loyalty to the U.S. flag and the nation it represents. The pledge is believed to have been the idea of an editor of The Youth's Companion, a children's magazine. By proclamation of President Benjamin Harrison, the pledge was first recited on October 12, 1892, and after some rewording was officially adopted on Flag Day, June 14, 1924. The words under God were added in 1954. My opinion, We are nothing without Union of the states.
1. Google Francis Bellamy and see what he was all about.
2. Your opinion is not in line with those held by our great liberty loving founding fathers and is not in line with our constitution.
3. I think you just want an Internet fight but you won't find it here. I love America. You seem to as well we just choose to express it in different ways.
@RANDY64612 Yeah great research buddy. The pledge is some idea from one President over a hundred years ago. It's some guys great idea. Like that dumb crap during the Presidential election about how Obama didn't wear a lapel pin and people complained about it, it doesn't mean much for patriotism, I wonder if the boys in Vietnam in 65 said the damn pledge before going out to fight. Doubt it severely. But they fought and some died nonetheless. The pledge is archaic and quite useless.
@RANDY64612 Yes it is. Original Pledge: "One nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all" (good idea). Modification June 1954 after a campaign of the Knights of Columbus (Catholic organization): "One nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all" (bad idea). why? that's divisive, it refers to the Christian god, what about people who believe in other gods? what about the people who don't believe in any god? "under God" before "indivisible", what a delightful irony...
Moreover, what went on at this high school in New Hampshire is what you would find in a country where human rights and civil liberties are not respected.
These outlaw "school officials" had no right whatsoever to even punish this girl with an in-school suspension for what she did. As for the teacher grabbing this girl by force, that's assault and battery no questions asked.
On the "permanent record" issue, it is nothing more than a public school intimidating its students that disciplinary records are public criminal records. That is false - student records are confidential by law.
If you ask me, requiring children to participate in a ritual day after day from an age when they are too young to understand what it means, a ritual of loyalty to their country, that is not what democracies do.
This country was founded as a Constitional Republic, not a democracy. Democracy is Mob Rules at the expense of individual rights. Democracies are corrurt forms of government. We have been led to believe they are just societies, but in fact are not. We need to return to our roots before what's left of our rights & freedoms are snatched away from us byt the US police "democratic" state.
@rotcafarg I agree. As an Australian, when I was a child and I first saw footage of American kids taking the pledge of allegiance, I was shocked. It was alien to me; the closest thing I'd experienced to it was forced religious rituals in the classroom as part of religious indoctrination. Thankfully that religious crap was banned in Aust public schools before I finish primary. Of course the regressives over here (the conservative "Liberal" party) want a priest in every school & every kids' ear XD
@Tuathalful I would think part of living in a democracy is that you don't have to keep proclaiming it all the time. It *is* supposed to be a secular ritual though. The phrase "under god" was added int he 1950's during the McCarthy era.
@Tuathalful I'm an aussie myself, Tuathalful. I live in the US. Great people but there's some real culture shocks which after 10 years I still experience.
Anyway, wasn't it our atheist Prime Minister who wanted to federally fund scripture teachers in public schools? Although I'm sure the Libs would have approved.
Why should she Stand and Pledge to a "CORPORATE-FLAG"??? You should pledge to your republican flag...not your State Flag. This is a REPUBLIC...don't forget that! The Flag of the United States is a corporate flag that the corporation called "EAST DUTCH INDIA CORPORATION" created. Don't believe me, then google it or go to a Congressional Library and get a Book on Flags.
im glad she is exercising her right but its also important to consider the price that was paid for these rights. She should visit a veterans hospital and meet many people that would love to be able to stand for the pledge. She had no trouble standing for the interview, probably b/c she's in the spotlight, just like she is when she doesn't stand for the pledge.
well I don't like that she didn't want to say the pledge. That is effectively saying you don't want to be a citizen. That's fine with me but you don't have and rights or benefits that a normal citizen would have then. I actually refuse to say the "Under god" part because it was not originally there and is unconstitutional.
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GET THE HELL OUT OF THIS COUNTRY IF YOUR NOT GOING TO AT LEAST PLEDGE...i didnt almost lose my leg for you to not even pledge yourself to this country...
Ok...freedom of speech...freedom of this and that...but you shouldnt get any of those freedoms if you dont pledge to this country...its either your country or not...you shouldnt be able to pick and choose what you want in this country if you dont call it your own...
Nobody is required to pledge allegiance to a flag to be guaranteed their rights.
A person shows their patriotism by how they live and how much they love not only their liberties but want liberty for their fellow countryman, not what idol they worship or master they bow before.
@grillurnuts no one asked or force you to "didn't almost lose your leg for anybody", that was your decision and your choice... "with liberty and justice for all" .. if someone doesn't want to stand and is forced there's no liberty... what you said is like saying "I don't like what you've said/did and I didn't almost lose my leg so you could have freedom of speech so SHUT UP!!!"... man, it's just one kid that in front of cohertion choosed to hold her ground... get over it...
It isn't the government's job to "take care of us". The government works for us... quite literally they are employees of the American taxpayer. Instead of sitting around and waiting for the government to do its job, why don't we get up off our collective butts and make them! This is our country. We are supposed to control the government, not the other way around.
Idealistic, yet sadly unrealistic at this point unfortunately. Not to mention that those who hold the power in this country will never relinquish it without revolution. Thats the reality.
You're missing the point, ebruceii. WE gave those people that "power" and WE can take it away. I'm tired of listening to all these whiners who insist the government isn't doing anything for them, but who refuse to stand up for themselves. It's OUR government. We elected these people. We need to make it clear that they play by our rules, or they take a hike. The only real "power" the government has over us is the power we give them by remaining uninvolved.
No, I get it. My point is about the realism of actually taking that power away. Government is far too intertwined with special interest groups (read: the elite) for any real change to be made short of bloody revolution. Period.
Shes right, she should pledge herself to the country, not the flag. O wait. A flag is a representation of the country isn't it? Sounds like a rebellious teenager. Surprise!
The only thing she should "pledge" herself to are her family and friends with loyalty and love. her country hasnt yet, but will enslave her with debt. I stopped pledging the flag around her age too.
I'm a grown ass man now well past "rebellious teenage" years and I still find it a government mandated mind control bully "us versus them" type of ritual that just distracts people from what is really important.
Empty-headed little disrespectful bitch, move to Canada. Your "rebellious" refusal is outright disrespect to this country AND the MILLIONS of men and women who have DIED so that you can live freely in the best country on the planet...not to mention the people that CONTINUE to protect you and your family, little ingrate. You're not just refusing to pledge allegiance to "some flag". You don't deserve to live here.
you need to study flags a bit more we are allied to each other to keep the law and the land not to submit to be forced to worship a symbol of war that most people dont even know they have lived under since the 1930's the civil flag is hung vertical and has white behind blue stars you ingrate and millions????????
I have a career and a life, and you're asking me to "study flags a bit more". The flag in and of itself is not the point here. The people who live and die for us and the respect that they deserve is the point. War is a terrible reality, and we are far too anxious to wage it in this country, but the whole "peacenik" ideal amounts to unrealistic hippy head-trash these days. Are people still dumb enough to believe that we can negotiate with those who would gladly kill us all? Give me a break.
"Empty-headed little disrespectful bitch, move to Canada." I take great offence to that, I'm Canadian, what exactly are you saying about Canada, that we're lawless unpatriotic and full of bitches? I'd welcome this young woman who is at least thinking about what she's doing instead of doing it without any care for it's meaning like most do.
No offense to your country at all. Sorry that it came across that way. I could have just as easily said "Move to Zimbabwe" and had the same meaning in my message. And yes, this young girl is "thinking" as you put it, but she's also missing a huge part of the picture, most likely b/c of her youth.
Gods already here, that's why we have health care.
Missing part of the picture? At least she's at least looking AT it. I commend her cause she's an EARLY BLOOMER. Do you think the rest of her class really cares if they stand or not? At least she actually cares. Even if you dissagree with her conclusion, you have to commend her for at least that.
I respect her for not being a puppet like most americans.
People need to wake the hell up in america because they're getting fucked left and right and just believe everything the stupid media and government tell them.
I hope more people like this girl start resisting and protesting.
LOL I kinda knew you were joking, hence the health care joke ;)
You hit the nail on the head with your comment. People do stand up, and most of the time they're rediculed for it. That's what bugs me, I may not agree with the message but at least they're saying SOMETHING. She at least got her fellow students thinking about it and showed them what happens when you go against the 'norm'
So what's so gutsy about some teenage girl refusing to do what school authorities tell her to? There's kids that don't think they should be forced to even attend school, are they gutsy too? Some teens don't think drinking alcohol should be illegal at age 15, are they gutsy? Where does she think her rights come from, and who does she think protects and guarantees those rights? Does she believe she should have any allegiance or respect for her country at all? Does the country owe her something?
Where I come from we have british born muslim families that don't want their sons to be educated in the same room as girls. They are defying the school authorities too. Gutsy, right?
Does she owe the school officials something? Do they have the right to physically force her to participate in the pledge of allegiance? My instincts tell me that they absolutely do not. I suggest you take a look at the case Frazier v. Alexandre in Florida, which determined that forcing students to recite the pledge violates their first and fourteenth amendment rights.
Since she believes she doesn't have to participate then perhaps one day school faculty will decide to disallow her to participate in other school functions that she might wish she could. If it's an acceptable trade-off for her then fine but if it's not, then so sad too bad for her.
I personally believe she just enjoys tweaking the school faculty and that her rights being violated has nothing to do with her actions. I'm not blind, I just know how teens have always been and still are today.
You don't get it, BloodTar. It's her RIGHT to refuse to stand for the pledge of allegiance. The school trying to force her to stand is a violation of her rights. Even if she refused to stand simply because she's a bratty teenager with no respect, it's still her RIGHT, and the school still violated those rights by trying to force her. Furthermore, refusing to include her in school activities because of her religious or moral beliefs is also wrong. Schools need to realize they don't OWN kids.
Good for her ! Public school is fof all! some people do not stand for the flag in our schools due to alligiance to god first and not the flag and that is freedom of their religion! .that is why it is called public school...it is for all!..
I am taking your question to say you think it is not important. If this is the case, then I want to state that damn right it is important, this girl is displaying the spirit that all Americans should be putting forth if we want to really see change in this country!
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What does this prove. She could have just stood. Hypocrites demand respect and do not give it. Stupid people involve themselves in useless fights for attention to their own destruction. If kids will make such a show of descent for something so small what will they do when parents require order and respect from them?
this is suppose to be a free country to live and freedom of religion, oh and where you can have pride for what your country stands for, organized crime, drug dealers, terrorist , oppressors, and that's just the governments, in 1950 yes she would have stood up, now we are the most hated country in the world, now stand and be proud of that.
Not in the slightest. Very easy read, very informative, and well establishes how Hamilton's policies have effected the development of the United States through it's history.
"because of dems..."
The last 8 years of socialism under Republican rule should have removed that "dems" illusion by now.
Nothing stupid about standing up for your rights. Did you know that a Florida supreme court ruled forcing students to recite the pledge of allegiance violates their first and fourteenth amendment rights?
Ah man it's so true. They don't make you stand anymore, except for a few teachers, like Mrs. Graham (art teacher) asks you to stand, but out of respect for her, not your country or flag. I don't mind it much simply because she's a very good teacher.
On a separate note; Wifey, you're wearing my favourite scarf in this video! :]
I HAVE had friends die so she wont be forced to stand. Ive fought for this little girl. I think the flag stands for what our country was founded on and deserves a little respect. I dont think it was right for the teacher to force her to stand and hope that the time it took to kick her out and such didnt take away from another childs time to learn. Just because this little girl is on youtube doesnt meen that she is exercising her liberty better then me.
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She sure wants the education provided by the country that flag stands for. This little POS should have been kicked out of the country, not just the school.
Most people are in public school because they cannot afford private school, being that they are already taxed to pay for the government school, or they cannot have a parent home to homeschool, since they must earn enough to pay those same taxes.
None would choose the awful education the public schools provide, if they were provided on an equal footing with other schools.
But they are funded by money taken at gunpoint, with attendance force at gunpoint.
Rush would support this girl for you misinformed malcontents. And for you on the other side, LIBERTY IS important here... Force is not what is called for here.
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I think its ironic that she's abusing the freedoms that flag stands for. A flag that represents the millions of people who died so she could be a bitch in this country with her little stupid hat and not some 67yr old pervs new wife.
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Maybe this girl needs an extra history class or two. Move the hell away already! Thats one of the freedoms that flag stands for! Oh wait, she doesnt stand for those freedoms, literally.
Maybe you need to better understand what Liberty really means. Our soldiers fight and die for people's liberty. They fought and died for her right to not be FORCED to stand. She honors them better than you or the teacher who used force on her to make her stand. She understands the true meaning of Liberty and is exercising it better than you... don't be a sheep.
Why don't you type 'define: liberty' into google.... liberty isn't your definition, and liberty in the Navy is much different than the liberty that is our inalienable right (means it's a right that isn't given by man, so cannot be taken away by man.) A simple definition of Liberty: personal freedom from servitude or confinement or oppression.
I dont pledge allegiance to that funky ass flag either. Fuck that. When I was in school, they tried to make me pledge and I walked the fuck out. Fuck them. When they lifted you up, you should've tried to kick they're ass. they cant make you do shit.
Wow. This young lady deserves an award for standing up in opposition to state-sponsored groupthink and indoctrination simply by sitting down!
The pledge" is intnended, by vocally repeating it through daily repetition, to instill a sense of blind nationalism that can be utilzed throughout an indoctrinated person's life, rather than triggering critical thought processes regarding political actions and concerns. It's obviously a danger to the state when its citizens actually think AND question..
Testosterone poisoning, combined with a complete lack of adult supervision.
The kind of supervision that would be training the boy to "sail out of sight of land", or hunt, or fight/shoot, or any of the other skills that teach both self reliance and self respect.
It's obvious he's crying out for help, for someone to pay attention to him. Very sad, and he thinks he's showing instead what a "big" boy he is.
So sad that public school has taken even the old Rights of Manhood from us.
Lauren Canario and Eli (amongst others, and with the help of other Freedom and Liberty Lovers) should start Liberty Schools. We need a huge increase in the numbers of young people exposed to the Truth!
Well done! What on earth does pledging allegience mean anyway? My alligence is to what is right. Why would I ally myself to a country if it were doing something evil? This is a pledge I cannot make, because I cannot know that our country's actions will in all cases be worthy of allegience. I will not commit or support evil because of a silly pledge.
Not only is forcing anyone to pledge to anything just wrong, but it's useless! How is reciting something like that supposed to make me more patriotic? I guess the theory is that the repetition "keeps" schoolchildren patriotic, because patriotism is somehow TOO SOPHISTICATED for them to understand. Let's not forget that "Under God" was put in the pledge only 50 some-odd years ago in an effort to somehow differentiate ourselves from the "evil godless Soviets."
The Pledge of Allegiance is a joke. I already pledge allegiance to my country, always. I do NOT, however, pledge allegiance to my government. That's what the Pledge is all about. The guy who started it was a Socialist, if I recall. And of course, let's not forget the well-known Socialist who said that if they wrap the Socialist programs in the term "liberalism", Americans will adopt their entire platform without even knowing it. But that's neither here nor there.
Anti American? If your going to talk about that, make sure you include the republicans who want us to fail. Like rush limbaugh for instance. That is anti american!
or mostly the DEM's that want to trun the country socialist.
I have no problem that people don't want to pledge to the United States of America. but I don't have no problem taking all those people, put them on ships. And send them to 3rd world countries neither.
Last time I looked, this was supposed to be a FREE country with a Bill of Rights that guarantee INDIVIDUAL liberty.. To compel someone to take an oath (or pledge) of allegiance to a flag AND to coerce them to stand while doing it, is against every principle of individual liberty that this country was founded upon. To just "go along" with the crowd because it's convenient and expedient to do so, and not base your personal decision on principle, is a prime example of collectivism at its worst.
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No, not what I'm talking about.
There is a basic, fundamental, redementary level of respect that you need to show to the Flag and our nation, just because this nation decided to let you stay and not kill you.
This chick is just a fucking idiot looking for attention and I bet shes actually smarter than this.
Its not going along with the crowd. Its just respect.
That's nonsense. Why don't you just stop supporting the idea that people should be forced into doing things they don't want to. If she doesn't watn to stand for the pledge- then who cares? Let her relax- its only a big deal because people like you make it a big deal.
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Well then, more power too you. Aren't you glad you live in a country where the government wont kill you for not bending over like a good little Socialist?
Maybe you should thank said country by showing a little respect to it.
The government deserves respect because it doesn't outright kill us? That's ridiculous. The country should show us respect for stealing everyone's money all the damn time.
She is now my hero...We shouldn't be FORCED into pledging allegiance to a flag or a government. PERIOD. You can be proud of your country without doing any of that.
Looks like the teacher and many others need a refresher course in US history and Bible literacy as well. This issue was taken to the Supreme Court back in the 1940s by a group of true Christians who follow the Bible requirement not to pledge allegiance to anything but God and his government (see Lord's prayer in Bible). In 1943, the Supreme Court ruled in "West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette" that public school students are not required to say the Pledge or stand for the Pledge.
terilynnhansen 1 month ago
Ely, congrats for being brave and for winning. You're a HERO!
Kevinsouth 3 months ago
I pledge allegiance to the ideals this country used to have, not a flag or plot of land.
DeepCoverInsurgent 3 months ago
The pledge of allegiance has lost it's true meaning and has become a mantra of false patriotism. Those who would have us feel un-American for sitting down are the very ones who are being un-american, by attempting to restrict our freedom of expression.
Lisztman88 5 months ago
this girl is my hero!
TheStealthx808 5 months ago
It is illegal to make people stand for the pledge. That is the end of the story. The school needs to be reprehended and give her an apology.
Chaoitcme 6 months ago 2
I completely understand not supporting this fuckered up current governmental system that has got awry,....but the pledge of allegiance doesn't really apply to the current government does it?, This current system is very far removed from what was being pledged to when this was first used with pride. I would think you'd want the republic of old to return. While I could definitely go without the whole god reference, the founders got so much right that I can give them that lol.
harnessmusic 8 months ago
you rock my lady.... I am always very happy when the young people show their courage and intelligence refusing to submit to the insanity that goes on in public schools
antiphony33 1 year ago 2
stupid hippie cunt , i hope she gets arrested and forced to serve in iraq, fucking bitch
YaDigggg42 1 year ago
@YaDigggg42 Nicely put. Why is it so hard to understand that there's a perfectly good reason kids are supposed to stand up and recite the pledge of allegiance. Every good American knows to shut up, get in line, and not cause any waves. So-called free thinkers like this girl are going to be the demise of this great country.
joembush 1 year ago
@joembush Completely wrong Joe you blind followers are going to be the demise of this once great country. "Every good American knows to shut up, get in line, and not cause any waves." What a cowardly thing to say! BAH BAH blind sheep.
chronicom420 5 months ago
@chronicom420 You seriously don't understand irony when you see it? heheheheh dumbass
joembush 5 months ago
@YaDigggg42 Because we all know that's the way it should be in a free land such as ours. You should be locked up for having your own views on things. Well, I think u should be arrested for thinking that way!
cockyhemi 7 months ago 2
You know what, personally I love my country. While it is a country in distress, I will always stand for the pledge of allegiance. However, forcing someone to stand for a pledge of loyalty in a free country is ridiculous and dangerous.
PersonguydudeWB 1 year ago 3
@PersonguydudeWB Myself, I pledge my alleigience to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights of the Unites States of America and the Universal Charter of Rights and Freedom which the United States along with dozens of other countries drew up and ratififed.
InusSonCurtis 4 months ago
They should not have forced her to stand. However, the pledge is not a pledge of loyalty to a piece of cloth, nor to a particular administration. It is a pledge of loyalty to a County, your home, the place that allowed you to be born free. If you don't like what's going on in govt, then fight to change it, but don't diss our country and its hard won freedoms.
Her school may have been really good a regimented teaching, but they obviously failed at teaching this child how her freedoms came to be.
bookhound63 1 year ago 2
@bookhound63; We don't live in a country, we live in a federation of free, sovereign and independent states, a Union. Your school failed to teach you accurate history. The pledge was written in 1892 by Francis Bellamy, a Christian Socialist, and the cousin of Socialist Utopian novelist Edward Bellamy.
"The true theory of our Constitution is surely the wisest and best, that he States are independent as to everything within themselves, and united as to everything respecting foreign nations" T.J.
brainerdrebel 1 year ago
Good for this girl for "standing" for her rights.
Mindraker1 1 year ago
What a load of shit. YES, the government CAN help you take care of yourself and help everyone (but some capitalist parasites) by maintaining infrastructure and institutions necessary for a fairer capitalism and a little democracy. What your government has done wrong is bailout the wealthy parasites that own and run America and caused the GFC. US govt is massive on welfare; WELFARE FOR THE RICH. Welfare for workers fucked over or in between is GOOD welfare for the rich parasites is injustice!
Tuathalful 1 year ago
If I was her big brother I would go to that school and beat the shit out of the person that lifted her up... take me to jail!
Pokerislife7 1 year ago 2
This is why most countries have anthems instead of fucking pledging domination to a piece of cloth.
Rapoirier 1 year ago 2
The pledge is clearly an attempt to indoctrinate. What about standing for the national anthem before sporting events? Same thing. Submision is desirable. The pledge is a conscious act, but what about all the indoctrination that is directed at the subconscious mind?
slewofdamascus 1 year ago
see thats what makes tyrants so nervous. ppl do have an effect, even very young ones. im thrilled by your example.
kirador218 1 year ago
Inflation rules! Fuck you China!
SPFrobber 1 year ago
I started refusing to stand for the pledge this year in 8th grade at Londonderry middle school. teachers did not force me i am going to try it next year at londonderry high school.
ddogg845 1 year ago
USA is not FREE, there is no such thing as a FREE country. If you don't pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, then you don't stand for the values and morals of this country. All citizens of the USA need to take this pledge if you don't, then find ANOTHER country to pledge your allegiance to. Absolutely ludicrous and disrespectful. If you don't like it, then LEAVE, no one is stopping you.
elitehacker01 1 year ago
@elitehacker01 No. If you don't like it, then get involved at working to change it back to the values once held. Leaving = Quitting.
RobertMOdell 1 year ago
@elitehacker01 Wow. It's a two minute thing buddy. If you don't pledge your wife every day does that mean you don't love her? If you did pledge her every day and then stole from her and cheated on her would your two minute pledge make up for it? You are giving great weight to a two minute ritual. It is simply that: a ritual. Pledge don't pledge, it doesn't mean anything. And if forced to pledge my loyalty daily then I would refuse because its ridiculous. It means nothing.
SPFrobber 1 year ago
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands: one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. While reciting the pledge of allegiance, citizens stand at attention or place the right hand over the heart. Men should remove their hats, and military personnel in uniform face the flag and give the military salute.
RANDY64612 2 years ago
If you don't like it then leave the U.S.
RANDY64612 2 years ago
Good for a shit-stir I suppose. In the wide sweep of things though I doubt whether too many Haitians care at the moment. And let's face it a billion chinamen haven't even heard about it. Nobody on this planet will miss a few missing school pledges.
Of greater concern is the attitude that 'I don't have to do anything'. I hope this extends to receiving taxpayer funded assistance in life of any sort.
arktiro 2 years ago
eli eastman. huh funny i dated her. its funny when you find people you know on youtube.
TheGregWhitney 2 years ago
My 1st grader had this same issue. Thankfully it only took two weeks of refusing to stand before her teacher gave up.
libertymom100 2 years ago
How anti-American of you and your kid.
RANDY64612 2 years ago
Not at all. The pledge was written by a socialist flag salesman. He purposely included language meant to undermine the constitution. Our founding fathers would have fought against children being politically indoctrinated in government institutions. Me and my kids love America and the values she was founded on. I don't need or want the government teaching my kids political values.
libertymom100 2 years ago
One nation under God for liberty and justice for all is unconstitutional?
RANDY64612 2 years ago
"one nation under god indivisible..." Mr.Bellamy included this because he disliked state sovereignty.
All of my previous statements still stand. Francis Bellamy was a very anti American outspoken socialist. I don't care to have a government institution teaching my kids his pledge. Still we love America and my kids are taught to be loyal to her and the constitution.
libertymom100 2 years ago
An oath of loyalty to the U.S. flag and the nation it represents. The pledge is believed to have been the idea of an editor of The Youth's Companion, a children's magazine. By proclamation of President Benjamin Harrison, the pledge was first recited on October 12, 1892, and after some rewording was officially adopted on Flag Day, June 14, 1924. The words under God were added in 1954. My opinion, We are nothing without Union of the states.
RANDY64612 2 years ago
1. Google Francis Bellamy and see what he was all about.
2. Your opinion is not in line with those held by our great liberty loving founding fathers and is not in line with our constitution.
3. I think you just want an Internet fight but you won't find it here. I love America. You seem to as well we just choose to express it in different ways.
libertymom100 2 years ago
@RANDY64612 Yeah great research buddy. The pledge is some idea from one President over a hundred years ago. It's some guys great idea. Like that dumb crap during the Presidential election about how Obama didn't wear a lapel pin and people complained about it, it doesn't mean much for patriotism, I wonder if the boys in Vietnam in 65 said the damn pledge before going out to fight. Doubt it severely. But they fought and some died nonetheless. The pledge is archaic and quite useless.
SPFrobber 1 year ago
@RANDY64612 Yes it is. Original Pledge: "One nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all" (good idea). Modification June 1954 after a campaign of the Knights of Columbus (Catholic organization): "One nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all" (bad idea). why? that's divisive, it refers to the Christian god, what about people who believe in other gods? what about the people who don't believe in any god? "under God" before "indivisible", what a delightful irony...
DocStrange0123 1 year ago
@DocStrange0123 Without God America is doomed. Good luck
RANDY64612 1 year ago
@RANDY64612 why?
DocStrange0123 1 year ago
@RANDY64612 Not really. The USA is suppose to be free, right? We have freedoms, right?
Well, don't we have the right NOT to stand? If they make you stand, its like making you not speak out your mind.
Its like the nazi's. If you did not folow them, you got punished. Are you proposing we should be like the nazis?
You did not salute hitler, now we make you do it!!
Not standing to prove a point about freedom, is very patriotic and American.
skater3shefik 1 year ago 2
Moreover, what went on at this high school in New Hampshire is what you would find in a country where human rights and civil liberties are not respected.
EdRingwald 2 years ago
These outlaw "school officials" had no right whatsoever to even punish this girl with an in-school suspension for what she did. As for the teacher grabbing this girl by force, that's assault and battery no questions asked.
On the "permanent record" issue, it is nothing more than a public school intimidating its students that disciplinary records are public criminal records. That is false - student records are confidential by law.
EdRingwald 2 years ago
Im glad she is exercising her right
one truth
Deathwalker777 2 years ago
If you ask me, requiring children to participate in a ritual day after day from an age when they are too young to understand what it means, a ritual of loyalty to their country, that is not what democracies do.
rotcafarg 2 years ago 13
This country was founded as a Constitional Republic, not a democracy. Democracy is Mob Rules at the expense of individual rights. Democracies are corrurt forms of government. We have been led to believe they are just societies, but in fact are not. We need to return to our roots before what's left of our rights & freedoms are snatched away from us byt the US police "democratic" state.
BillySeagull 2 years ago
So do you think we should be able to elect people to represent us in Congress and the Senate and the Whitehouse?
rotcafarg 2 years ago
@BillySeagull What do you propose, a "benevolent dictatorship"?
rotcafarg 1 year ago
@rotcafarg I agree. As an Australian, when I was a child and I first saw footage of American kids taking the pledge of allegiance, I was shocked. It was alien to me; the closest thing I'd experienced to it was forced religious rituals in the classroom as part of religious indoctrination. Thankfully that religious crap was banned in Aust public schools before I finish primary. Of course the regressives over here (the conservative "Liberal" party) want a priest in every school & every kids' ear XD
Tuathalful 1 year ago
@Tuathalful I would think part of living in a democracy is that you don't have to keep proclaiming it all the time. It *is* supposed to be a secular ritual though. The phrase "under god" was added int he 1950's during the McCarthy era.
rotcafarg 1 year ago
@Tuathalful I'm an aussie myself, Tuathalful. I live in the US. Great people but there's some real culture shocks which after 10 years I still experience.
Anyway, wasn't it our atheist Prime Minister who wanted to federally fund scripture teachers in public schools? Although I'm sure the Libs would have approved.
rotcafarg 1 year ago
@rotcafarg | america is a constitutional republic, not a democratic republic, sorry to be a stickler but blah blah blah research the details.
dljc1979 1 year ago
I want to pat that girl on the back you go girl
tableturns77 2 years ago 3
I hate ConVal. x.x I still have 3 years left of it. D<<
But WIN~! :D
Detrel 2 years ago
i was the same when i was a kid i would not go to RE it was a waste of my time and thers
so i just stayed a way they tryed they failed
i won no crapy R.E for me
BRAINSTORM555 2 years ago
Why should she Stand and Pledge to a "CORPORATE-FLAG"??? You should pledge to your republican flag...not your State Flag. This is a REPUBLIC...don't forget that! The Flag of the United States is a corporate flag that the corporation called "EAST DUTCH INDIA CORPORATION" created. Don't believe me, then google it or go to a Congressional Library and get a Book on Flags.
k9forkids 2 years ago
hey k9, at last someone who sees the big picture. It is an allegence to the BRITISH CROWN. Why doesnt everyone read the constitution??
soopi49 2 years ago
im glad she is exercising her right but its also important to consider the price that was paid for these rights. She should visit a veterans hospital and meet many people that would love to be able to stand for the pledge. She had no trouble standing for the interview, probably b/c she's in the spotlight, just like she is when she doesn't stand for the pledge.
patrickbfvt 2 years ago
So in other words.... you're glad she's exercising her rights, but you don't think she should exercise her rights.
rotcafarg 2 years ago
well I don't like that she didn't want to say the pledge. That is effectively saying you don't want to be a citizen. That's fine with me but you don't have and rights or benefits that a normal citizen would have then. I actually refuse to say the "Under god" part because it was not originally there and is unconstitutional.
sharpie443 2 years ago
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GET THE HELL OUT OF THIS COUNTRY IF YOUR NOT GOING TO AT LEAST PLEDGE...i didnt almost lose my leg for you to not even pledge yourself to this country...
grillurnuts 2 years ago
Get the hell out of this country if you're not giving this girl the right to do this, fucktard.
GaryNull 2 years ago 4
Ok...freedom of speech...freedom of this and that...but you shouldnt get any of those freedoms if you dont pledge to this country...its either your country or not...you shouldnt be able to pick and choose what you want in this country if you dont call it your own...
grillurnuts 2 years ago
You still believe in this country and the bullshit the government is pulling, lol.
First, there is no "government". Wall street and the banks/corporations own wall street.
The Iraq war is bullshit.
9-11 was an inside job.
GaryNull 2 years ago
Well, if you feel that way...leave...but dont sit there typing that you have rights in a country you dont believe in...loser...FAIL!
grillurnuts 2 years ago
When are you going to stop living in denial?
Are you that blind?
If you loved this country, you would be angry, pal.
I never put down American, . . it's the fucking government and corruption that is ruining this country.
GaryNull 2 years ago
Nobody is required to pledge allegiance to a flag to be guaranteed their rights.
A person shows their patriotism by how they live and how much they love not only their liberties but want liberty for their fellow countryman, not what idol they worship or master they bow before.
sc0pl355 2 years ago 5
@grillurnuts no one asked or force you to "didn't almost lose your leg for anybody", that was your decision and your choice... "with liberty and justice for all" .. if someone doesn't want to stand and is forced there's no liberty... what you said is like saying "I don't like what you've said/did and I didn't almost lose my leg so you could have freedom of speech so SHUT UP!!!"... man, it's just one kid that in front of cohertion choosed to hold her ground... get over it...
DocStrange0123 1 year ago
FUCK THE FLAG
FUCK GOD
GaryNull 2 years ago
FUCK YOUR LIFE. MOVE.
ebruceii 2 years ago
FUCK YOUR MOTHER
GaryNull 2 years ago
Yet another substantive post from New Yawk. Haha
ebruceii 2 years ago
As long as there is people like this, there is a future
greenman92553 2 years ago
Now THERE is the future of America. Awesome!
brizzlie 2 years ago
Good girl for sticking it to them peacefully.
1badfokker 2 years ago 4
It isn't the government's job to "take care of us". The government works for us... quite literally they are employees of the American taxpayer. Instead of sitting around and waiting for the government to do its job, why don't we get up off our collective butts and make them! This is our country. We are supposed to control the government, not the other way around.
blog4change 2 years ago
Idealistic, yet sadly unrealistic at this point unfortunately. Not to mention that those who hold the power in this country will never relinquish it without revolution. Thats the reality.
ebruceii 2 years ago
You're missing the point, ebruceii. WE gave those people that "power" and WE can take it away. I'm tired of listening to all these whiners who insist the government isn't doing anything for them, but who refuse to stand up for themselves. It's OUR government. We elected these people. We need to make it clear that they play by our rules, or they take a hike. The only real "power" the government has over us is the power we give them by remaining uninvolved.
blog4change 2 years ago
No, I get it. My point is about the realism of actually taking that power away. Government is far too intertwined with special interest groups (read: the elite) for any real change to be made short of bloody revolution. Period.
ebruceii 2 years ago
Shes right, she should pledge herself to the country, not the flag. O wait. A flag is a representation of the country isn't it? Sounds like a rebellious teenager. Surprise!
VtechGermx 2 years ago
The only thing she should "pledge" herself to are her family and friends with loyalty and love. her country hasnt yet, but will enslave her with debt. I stopped pledging the flag around her age too.
I'm a grown ass man now well past "rebellious teenage" years and I still find it a government mandated mind control bully "us versus them" type of ritual that just distracts people from what is really important.
eeedel 2 years ago 11
Empty-headed little disrespectful bitch, move to Canada. Your "rebellious" refusal is outright disrespect to this country AND the MILLIONS of men and women who have DIED so that you can live freely in the best country on the planet...not to mention the people that CONTINUE to protect you and your family, little ingrate. You're not just refusing to pledge allegiance to "some flag". You don't deserve to live here.
ebruceii 2 years ago
you need to study flags a bit more we are allied to each other to keep the law and the land not to submit to be forced to worship a symbol of war that most people dont even know they have lived under since the 1930's the civil flag is hung vertical and has white behind blue stars you ingrate and millions????????
selfactingmachine 2 years ago
I have a career and a life, and you're asking me to "study flags a bit more". The flag in and of itself is not the point here. The people who live and die for us and the respect that they deserve is the point. War is a terrible reality, and we are far too anxious to wage it in this country, but the whole "peacenik" ideal amounts to unrealistic hippy head-trash these days. Are people still dumb enough to believe that we can negotiate with those who would gladly kill us all? Give me a break.
ebruceii 2 years ago
"Empty-headed little disrespectful bitch, move to Canada." I take great offence to that, I'm Canadian, what exactly are you saying about Canada, that we're lawless unpatriotic and full of bitches? I'd welcome this young woman who is at least thinking about what she's doing instead of doing it without any care for it's meaning like most do.
imacamerican 2 years ago
No offense to your country at all. Sorry that it came across that way. I could have just as easily said "Move to Zimbabwe" and had the same meaning in my message. And yes, this young girl is "thinking" as you put it, but she's also missing a huge part of the picture, most likely b/c of her youth.
ebruceii 2 years ago
Can we move God to Canada?
GaryNull 2 years ago
Gods already here, that's why we have health care.
Missing part of the picture? At least she's at least looking AT it. I commend her cause she's an EARLY BLOOMER. Do you think the rest of her class really cares if they stand or not? At least she actually cares. Even if you dissagree with her conclusion, you have to commend her for at least that.
imacamerican 2 years ago
I'm atheist, . . I was joking.
I respect her for not being a puppet like most americans.
People need to wake the hell up in america because they're getting fucked left and right and just believe everything the stupid media and government tell them.
I hope more people like this girl start resisting and protesting.
GaryNull 2 years ago
LOL I kinda knew you were joking, hence the health care joke ;)
You hit the nail on the head with your comment. People do stand up, and most of the time they're rediculed for it. That's what bugs me, I may not agree with the message but at least they're saying SOMETHING. She at least got her fellow students thinking about it and showed them what happens when you go against the 'norm'
imacamerican 2 years ago
I agree with what she says. A flag. It's a fucking. Flag. And I don't like to. Maybe I should do that. >_>
YourAverageNightmare 2 years ago
haha a 9th grader changes public policy cutie!
cracktroop75 2 years ago
"Does the country owe her something? "
Yes, it owes her a portion of the money it took from her family through excessive taxation.
RidleyReport 2 years ago 6
And don't forget inflation, the hidden tax!
norcofreerider604 2 years ago
So what's so gutsy about some teenage girl refusing to do what school authorities tell her to? There's kids that don't think they should be forced to even attend school, are they gutsy too? Some teens don't think drinking alcohol should be illegal at age 15, are they gutsy? Where does she think her rights come from, and who does she think protects and guarantees those rights? Does she believe she should have any allegiance or respect for her country at all? Does the country owe her something?
BloodTar 2 years ago 2
Where I come from we have british born muslim families that don't want their sons to be educated in the same room as girls. They are defying the school authorities too. Gutsy, right?
BedsnHerts 2 years ago
Does she owe the school officials something? Do they have the right to physically force her to participate in the pledge of allegiance? My instincts tell me that they absolutely do not. I suggest you take a look at the case Frazier v. Alexandre in Florida, which determined that forcing students to recite the pledge violates their first and fourteenth amendment rights.
blog4change 2 years ago
Since she believes she doesn't have to participate then perhaps one day school faculty will decide to disallow her to participate in other school functions that she might wish she could. If it's an acceptable trade-off for her then fine but if it's not, then so sad too bad for her.
I personally believe she just enjoys tweaking the school faculty and that her rights being violated has nothing to do with her actions. I'm not blind, I just know how teens have always been and still are today.
BloodTar 2 years ago
You don't get it, BloodTar. It's her RIGHT to refuse to stand for the pledge of allegiance. The school trying to force her to stand is a violation of her rights. Even if she refused to stand simply because she's a bratty teenager with no respect, it's still her RIGHT, and the school still violated those rights by trying to force her. Furthermore, refusing to include her in school activities because of her religious or moral beliefs is also wrong. Schools need to realize they don't OWN kids.
blog4change 2 years ago 3
This is true. All she was doing was refusing to follow an American social norm. I do that on a daily basis. lol
Im not even sure if kids know why they pledge to the flag anymore. I know I didn't when I was in high school.
jed52 2 years ago
Forced alegence does not work. Good girl stand up for your rights.Or sit down for them.LOL
hellavadeal 2 years ago
we neeed more super cute girls like this.
mmanoob 2 years ago
awesome!
mmanoob 2 years ago
Good for her ! Public school is fof all! some people do not stand for the flag in our schools due to alligiance to god first and not the flag and that is freedom of their religion! .that is why it is called public school...it is for all!..
winbri5 2 years ago
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wow, how truly unremarkable! Such a rebel! Seriously, is this important?
aw3212 2 years ago
I am taking your question to say you think it is not important. If this is the case, then I want to state that damn right it is important, this girl is displaying the spirit that all Americans should be putting forth if we want to really see change in this country!
sacredwolf 2 years ago 4
If this is for real this is a brave young woman.
Shame about the Schiff advert.
siddhaam 2 years ago
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What does this prove. She could have just stood. Hypocrites demand respect and do not give it. Stupid people involve themselves in useless fights for attention to their own destruction. If kids will make such a show of descent for something so small what will they do when parents require order and respect from them?
GospleWarior 2 years ago
to each their own, live and let live,
this is suppose to be a free country to live and freedom of religion, oh and where you can have pride for what your country stands for, organized crime, drug dealers, terrorist , oppressors, and that's just the governments, in 1950 yes she would have stood up, now we are the most hated country in the world, now stand and be proud of that.
freepress666 2 years ago 2
"sounds like a fiction piece."
Not in the slightest. Very easy read, very informative, and well establishes how Hamilton's policies have effected the development of the United States through it's history.
"because of dems..."
The last 8 years of socialism under Republican rule should have removed that "dems" illusion by now.
CurtHowland 2 years ago
"Have some pride"
I do, which is why I reject mindless nationalism.
"when capitalism succeeds and your still poor and complaining."
The present economic woes have nothing to do with "capitalism".
History book for you to read: "Hamilton's Curse" by Tom DiLorenzo.
Hamilton, as in Alexander Hamilton, one of the people who wrote the Constitution (in case you didn't know).
CurtHowland 2 years ago
Look around. "Country" has nothing to do with it.
What he doesn't support is this GOVERNMENT.
Do you?
CurtHowland 2 years ago
Your great I LOVE you you hate America... rock on...
Greg78X 2 years ago
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WOW its great to be youg and stupid.. Keep it up... glad I was stupid before you tube and video HISTORY
Greg78X 2 years ago
Nothing stupid about standing up for your rights. Did you know that a Florida supreme court ruled forcing students to recite the pledge of allegiance violates their first and fourteenth amendment rights?
blog4change 2 years ago 2
Google the pledge of Allegiance.
RevoltorAdapt 2 years ago
Ah man it's so true. They don't make you stand anymore, except for a few teachers, like Mrs. Graham (art teacher) asks you to stand, but out of respect for her, not your country or flag. I don't mind it much simply because she's a very good teacher.
On a separate note; Wifey, you're wearing my favourite scarf in this video! :]
beanie021 2 years ago
I HAVE had friends die so she wont be forced to stand. Ive fought for this little girl. I think the flag stands for what our country was founded on and deserves a little respect. I dont think it was right for the teacher to force her to stand and hope that the time it took to kick her out and such didnt take away from another childs time to learn. Just because this little girl is on youtube doesnt meen that she is exercising her liberty better then me.
rockongnc 2 years ago
Any response from Con Val yet Dave?
nealaus 2 years ago
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She sure wants the education provided by the country that flag stands for. This little POS should have been kicked out of the country, not just the school.
kingachybraky 2 years ago
Most people are in public school because they cannot afford private school, being that they are already taxed to pay for the government school, or they cannot have a parent home to homeschool, since they must earn enough to pay those same taxes.
None would choose the awful education the public schools provide, if they were provided on an equal footing with other schools.
But they are funded by money taken at gunpoint, with attendance force at gunpoint.
CurtHowland 2 years ago 4
Rush would support this girl for you misinformed malcontents. And for you on the other side, LIBERTY IS important here... Force is not what is called for here.
EvilMongrelMonkey 2 years ago
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I think its ironic that she's abusing the freedoms that flag stands for. A flag that represents the millions of people who died so she could be a bitch in this country with her little stupid hat and not some 67yr old pervs new wife.
Read your history books bitch!!!
And take off that stupid hat.
VelvetNoose 2 years ago
You should read your Constitution buddy.
EvilMongrelMonkey 2 years ago 3
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Maybe this girl needs an extra history class or two. Move the hell away already! Thats one of the freedoms that flag stands for! Oh wait, she doesnt stand for those freedoms, literally.
rockongnc 2 years ago
Maybe you need to better understand what Liberty really means. Our soldiers fight and die for people's liberty. They fought and died for her right to not be FORCED to stand. She honors them better than you or the teacher who used force on her to make her stand. She understands the true meaning of Liberty and is exercising it better than you... don't be a sheep.
EvilMongrelMonkey 2 years ago
She is fighting for freedom ,
not liberty .
Liberty is asking or beng granted permission to sit ,
where as freedom you sit stand or not turn up .
Liberty is not freedom , a sailor is granted liberty to go a shore , but he is not free to just because the ship has docked .
So i is with society .
You have the right to kill people if you are given liberty ,but without it you don't have the freedom to kill (in todays world )
PYTHAGORAS101 2 years ago
Why don't you type 'define: liberty' into google.... liberty isn't your definition, and liberty in the Navy is much different than the liberty that is our inalienable right (means it's a right that isn't given by man, so cannot be taken away by man.) A simple definition of Liberty: personal freedom from servitude or confinement or oppression.
EvilMongrelMonkey 2 years ago
I dont pledge allegiance to that funky ass flag either. Fuck that. When I was in school, they tried to make me pledge and I walked the fuck out. Fuck them. When they lifted you up, you should've tried to kick they're ass. they cant make you do shit.
diah4 2 years ago
Smart and brave young girl.
kmi187 2 years ago 6
Hahaha, they should make her wear an American flag training bra.
krupple 2 years ago
Wow. This young lady deserves an award for standing up in opposition to state-sponsored groupthink and indoctrination simply by sitting down!
The pledge" is intnended, by vocally repeating it through daily repetition, to instill a sense of blind nationalism that can be utilzed throughout an indoctrinated person's life, rather than triggering critical thought processes regarding political actions and concerns. It's obviously a danger to the state when its citizens actually think AND question..
P3rf3ctStorm 2 years ago 3
its fifty six trillion in total now
GOOD LUCK SELFISH AMERICAN
BILDERBURG PIGS
singledad1234 2 years ago
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aw you silly cunt. Being a bitch is NOT revolution.
You will stand out of respect you cunt.
Learn respect, and the world will be a lot easier to comprehend you stupid whore.
You should NOT be forced to do the pledge, but respecting your peers and your country.. is you NOT being a cunt.
Right now.. you are a cunt.
YouTvbeSucksMyCock 2 years ago
The vulgar demonstrate their inherent lack of intelligence, again.
CurtHowland 2 years ago 4
Great channel name on that one too eh Curt? lol.
P3rf3ctStorm 2 years ago
Testosterone poisoning, combined with a complete lack of adult supervision.
The kind of supervision that would be training the boy to "sail out of sight of land", or hunt, or fight/shoot, or any of the other skills that teach both self reliance and self respect.
It's obvious he's crying out for help, for someone to pay attention to him. Very sad, and he thinks he's showing instead what a "big" boy he is.
So sad that public school has taken even the old Rights of Manhood from us.
CurtHowland 2 years ago
Hey, Dave, isn't this the "NHLibertyEssay. c om" spokeswoman?
CurtHowland 2 years ago 2
Smart, though kid. Bet we see her doing something great in the future.
hittman6 2 years ago 3
Great! We should all stand up for our rights.....or sit down........She has the choice, and exercised it.....BRAVO Ely !
This is a better lesson than most teachers can give.......* * * * *
MaxCandor 2 years ago 4
I was a rebel at that age , but failed to make a difference ,well done , go girl .
PYTHAGORAS101 2 years ago 3
Pledge to the US Corporation
MihiLibertas 2 years ago
Lauren Canario and Eli (amongst others, and with the help of other Freedom and Liberty Lovers) should start Liberty Schools. We need a huge increase in the numbers of young people exposed to the Truth!
AngelWithGuns42 2 years ago 3
That's an amazing idea!
mrethrift 2 years ago 2
No need to open "schools".
Homeschooling parents are numerous, and always in need of variety of teachers. There are a LOT of homeschoolers in NH.
I tutor math when I can. So let's create a registry of tutors/teachers who can come in and do specific subjects at will?
Two mornings a week for a month for "The Writing of the Constitution." Sounds like nearly a college course, doesn't it?
How about "Read Tom DiLorenzo's "The Real Lincoln" and compare with the usual myths" for teenagers?
CurtHowland 2 years ago
And there's no reason not to call it "The Free School Project".
Or how about "FreeState Education Project"?
I like it. Too bad I haven't been able to move yet, I'd start the darned thing myself.
CurtHowland 2 years ago
Well done! What on earth does pledging allegience mean anyway? My alligence is to what is right. Why would I ally myself to a country if it were doing something evil? This is a pledge I cannot make, because I cannot know that our country's actions will in all cases be worthy of allegience. I will not commit or support evil because of a silly pledge.
ninjabunnyman 2 years ago 8
Not only is forcing anyone to pledge to anything just wrong, but it's useless! How is reciting something like that supposed to make me more patriotic? I guess the theory is that the repetition "keeps" schoolchildren patriotic, because patriotism is somehow TOO SOPHISTICATED for them to understand. Let's not forget that "Under God" was put in the pledge only 50 some-odd years ago in an effort to somehow differentiate ourselves from the "evil godless Soviets."
whoo689 2 years ago 3
The Pledge of Allegiance is a joke. I already pledge allegiance to my country, always. I do NOT, however, pledge allegiance to my government. That's what the Pledge is all about. The guy who started it was a Socialist, if I recall. And of course, let's not forget the well-known Socialist who said that if they wrap the Socialist programs in the term "liberalism", Americans will adopt their entire platform without even knowing it. But that's neither here nor there.
whoo689 2 years ago 5
The problem is that the people of American ARE the government. *At least in theory*
Although I do agree with you on the fact that Socialism has infiltrated the US through "Liberalism".
Trojanponey 2 years ago
"the people of American ARE the government."
That lie has kept the American people from throwing off the thieves for two centuries now.
It's long past time to realize that these thieves are no different from any other thieves, and deserve to be treated equally.
CurtHowland 2 years ago 3
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Well that goes just right with Dave Ridley. He is as Socialist as they come.
Total anti_American as anyone can be. He hates America and what it stands for, more than the Muslims that want to is it fall.
ANGLEBOOT 2 years ago
Pretty rediculous calling Dave Ridley a socialist. Did you know the pledge was written by a socialist? You seem to be very confused.
kmassabe 2 years ago
Anti American? If your going to talk about that, make sure you include the republicans who want us to fail. Like rush limbaugh for instance. That is anti american!
diah4 2 years ago
or mostly the DEM's that want to trun the country socialist.
I have no problem that people don't want to pledge to the United States of America. but I don't have no problem taking all those people, put them on ships. And send them to 3rd world countries neither.
ANGLEBOOT 2 years ago
Obviously an idiot, too lazy to look up the word "libertarian".
CurtHowland 2 years ago
Peter Schiff is running for Senator? Sweet!
whoo689 2 years ago 3
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While I agree that she should not have been "forced" to stand for the pledge. It should have been a given.
There is no reason not too at least stand for the pledge. To get pissy over that is just immature and looking for a confrontation.
Show some rudimentary respect.
Trojanponey 2 years ago
Last time I looked, this was supposed to be a FREE country with a Bill of Rights that guarantee INDIVIDUAL liberty.. To compel someone to take an oath (or pledge) of allegiance to a flag AND to coerce them to stand while doing it, is against every principle of individual liberty that this country was founded upon. To just "go along" with the crowd because it's convenient and expedient to do so, and not base your personal decision on principle, is a prime example of collectivism at its worst.
HorrendousOne 2 years ago 4
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No, not what I'm talking about.
There is a basic, fundamental, redementary level of respect that you need to show to the Flag and our nation, just because this nation decided to let you stay and not kill you.
This chick is just a fucking idiot looking for attention and I bet shes actually smarter than this.
Its not going along with the crowd. Its just respect.
Trojanponey 2 years ago
That's nonsense. Why don't you just stop supporting the idea that people should be forced into doing things they don't want to. If she doesn't watn to stand for the pledge- then who cares? Let her relax- its only a big deal because people like you make it a big deal.
Bowser2398 2 years ago 2
Nope.
Quag7 2 years ago
Respect for what? A piece of cloth?
No.
I, also, refused to pledge when I was in school. The difference was that, when asked by the teacher, I said I would stand for THEM.
So I stood, and looked at them, or read a book.
CurtHowland 2 years ago 2
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Well then, more power too you. Aren't you glad you live in a country where the government wont kill you for not bending over like a good little Socialist?
Maybe you should thank said country by showing a little respect to it.
Trojanponey 2 years ago
The government deserves respect because it doesn't outright kill us? That's ridiculous. The country should show us respect for stealing everyone's money all the damn time.
Bowser2398 2 years ago 9
I think they need to add a new digit to that National Debt Clock.
monadog3 2 years ago 2
She is now my hero...We shouldn't be FORCED into pledging allegiance to a flag or a government. PERIOD. You can be proud of your country without doing any of that.
exacerbatedtaboo 2 years ago 7
Freedom, ain't nutin like it!
greenback001 2 years ago 2