I just have another question please,I saw that you use sin square(which is often the case in sub tuto, there is a particular reason for that exept that you like how it sounds?) because I used "herby", is it ok? also i saw that you put nothing on your filter 1,on mine I put lowpass4 with about 5%of resonance and 7% of cutoff + an envelop on cutoff.I also put the button on the right of my osc at the top max on F1. Is it ok to do that? cause i like how it sounds but maybe i don't have to. Thanks
@gwencharlotte: Using basic waveforms produces a very clean sub bass sound, which is what you want. Anything else colors the sub frequencies with other harmonics and can make the sub tone harder to define and muddy up your mix. Simple waves like sine, triangle, square and saw are great for subs. If you're using anything other than a sine wave (which is a pure tone) you will be dealing with simple harmonics. In some cases having a saw or square wave as a sub can be nice to add some...
(continued)... can be nice to add some character to the sub. You could also use a sine wave with a gentle distortion to add some warmth. Don't overdo it though.
Using an oscillator with a lot of character like "herby" may not give you a very strong sub tone, which would cause you to turn it up in the mix. That would probably make all of the other unwanted harmonics come through too much and muddy up the mix. Best to keep it simple.
(continued) for sub tones anymore. It's better to use an EQ with a low pass filter on it so you can accurately cut off your sub at the right frequency to make sure it's not interfering with your mid range bass noises.
Adding resonance to your low pass filter on a sub will increase the harmonics on the tone at the cutoff frequency. This could either add interesting tones to your sub, or create dissonance in your mix. Ultimately that's up to you.
I've got a question please, I'm making a sub bass with massive(logic) now, but I think I did smthg wrong, cause i put a BRAUNER TUBE on FX1 and a REVERB on FX2... I think I should not, right??? (cause maybe reverb + compression is not good???) also, what do you think is better ?? to put 1 single bass from 40Hz to 400Hz or 2 bass, one "sub" from 40Hz to 100Hz then a bass from 100Hz to 400Hz???
@gwencharlotte When you're working in sub bass frequencies you want to make sure your sound is as clean as possible. Using simple waveforms for your sub bass punches through the mix and doesn't "color" or "muddy" the sound up with too many harmonics. Adding distortion creates a lot of harmonics that won't make your sub sound any better (probably the opposite). Adding reverb on the sub also kills the sound. You can add reverb to the midrange and high end of the bassline if you want though.
Also, you can use one synth to play all of your sub bass notes. There's really no need to use two synths to play your sub unless you want to try something out of the box like different LFO's controlling the volume, or different pitch bend ranges, etc. Remember, the sub is very deep and is sometimes felt more than it's heard. Keep it simple. You can add all of the crazy reverbs, effects, distortion, etc with other synths above the 120(ish) range.
lol it's funny when you speak you speak in the rythm of the music, it seems your voice is part of the song hahaha it sounds great lol nice tuto btw :) (and sexy voice as well ;) )
@gwencharlotte That's weird... I had no idea I was doing that. Makes sense though, I recorded the voiceover after I made the video so I was probably doing that subconsciously.
Question. Is there a specific reason you use that plug-in EQ of yours and not the native Live one? Don't they do the exact same thing? What's the reason of using another EQ=
I dont rly understand why you put an eq on the sine. the sine waveform only contains the fundamental frequency, so filtering/eqing would just adjust it volume. Or am i wrong? :S
@DJmaoriDMW Yeah technically speaking you'd be letting more sub bass come through if you don't cut it off. But I've found that cutting it off at 40-80 keeps the subs from muddying up the rest of the mix. You can still boost your sub frequencies a number of ways even if you cut the super lows (which, aren't necessarily even in the range of human hearing) and get a super thick clean sound ;)
oh hey bro, i just learned something from my own experience and playing around with the sub bass cut off, don't limit the sub bass to 40hz, make it lower at around 26hz, as the 33hz stuff will get missed, and thats the WWWWWWWOBBBBB, WOBWWBWBWWOBWOWBWBOBWOBOWWB, *HOLY MUDDA FUCK* area, between 29-36hz anyway, cheers bo
sick sick sick, thanks man, please check, i did your tut about the bass mono sub, and putting the lfo everywhere, made a bassline, wanna hook a slut with it, its so sick, so yeah man, threw it together and biffed it on youtube, thanks for encouragement man, cheers!
@DJmaoriDMW Hahahaha! Where are you from?! Some of the things you say make no sense at all but make me laugh. "Hook a sl_t" (WTF?!) what happens when you "biff" something on Youtube?
@DJmaoriDMW thanks for watching! Listening to 'Thunder in Palmy" now. Nice epic sound! You're using a lot of supersaw leads which gives it that big trance feel. Nice choice. Not many people make dubstep without a persistent "wobble" to it. I'm glad you aren't doing that. Keep working at it. You've got skillz ;)
One way is to use sidechain compression to quickly (or slowly if you're into that kind of thing) duck the sub bass when the kick hits. The other way is to make sure your subs and your kick don't use the same frequencies. Lowpass the sub at 100 and highpass the kick at 120 or something. Just make sure they don't cross over eachother. There are other ways but I'm sure you get the idea.
Alright...I gotta know. Why are you rolling off freqs below 40hz on the sub-bass. You won't notice the difference unless you have a SERIOUS sound system hooked up to your computer. Like I have a 5.1 logic surround sound one. The woofer only goes to ~80hz or so. Most consumer woofers go to ~ 50-60hz. Any club worth its salt will have a system that ranges from 20hz+. So why limit what people hear?
Just because you can't hear it doesn't mean you can't feel it. on a system that could go down that low I'd prefer my tracks not to be sounding muddy because of some -40hz noise happening. and possibly muddying it up. I do notice a difference in the feeling of the sub when I roll off at 40hz. It's not as thick and overpoweringly subby. It still has a low low end punch and fullness to it without feeling too heavy.
good tutorial and a nice trick there with massive for the sub bass! had an headacke how to make a sub with a synth...wanted actually try the same thing with z3ta, but i like to work more with massive, so once again thanks for the tut.!
::shrugs:: In my tracks I've just found that it tends to muddy up the mix if I leave the sub untreated. Most of my subs aren't pure sine tones so they're already somewhat "colorful" down there. Rolling off at 40 keeps things sounding clear and clean without killing too much of the subs. Believe me, on a club sound system it still shakes the walls.
The EQ is a waves plugin. They're kind of pricey. Ableton has decent Eq's built in. They work fine for just cutting out entire ranges of frequencies, less so for fine tuning...
I just have another question please,I saw that you use sin square(which is often the case in sub tuto, there is a particular reason for that exept that you like how it sounds?) because I used "herby", is it ok? also i saw that you put nothing on your filter 1,on mine I put lowpass4 with about 5%of resonance and 7% of cutoff + an envelop on cutoff.I also put the button on the right of my osc at the top max on F1. Is it ok to do that? cause i like how it sounds but maybe i don't have to. Thanks
gwencharlotte 1 year ago
@gwencharlotte: Using basic waveforms produces a very clean sub bass sound, which is what you want. Anything else colors the sub frequencies with other harmonics and can make the sub tone harder to define and muddy up your mix. Simple waves like sine, triangle, square and saw are great for subs. If you're using anything other than a sine wave (which is a pure tone) you will be dealing with simple harmonics. In some cases having a saw or square wave as a sub can be nice to add some...
AnodyneIndustries 1 year ago
(continued)... can be nice to add some character to the sub. You could also use a sine wave with a gentle distortion to add some warmth. Don't overdo it though.
Using an oscillator with a lot of character like "herby" may not give you a very strong sub tone, which would cause you to turn it up in the mix. That would probably make all of the other unwanted harmonics come through too much and muddy up the mix. Best to keep it simple.
I don't use the filters on MASSIVE (cont...)
AnodyneIndustries 1 year ago
(continued) for sub tones anymore. It's better to use an EQ with a low pass filter on it so you can accurately cut off your sub at the right frequency to make sure it's not interfering with your mid range bass noises.
Adding resonance to your low pass filter on a sub will increase the harmonics on the tone at the cutoff frequency. This could either add interesting tones to your sub, or create dissonance in your mix. Ultimately that's up to you.
I think I'll do another sub tutorial now. ;)
AnodyneIndustries 1 year ago
@AnodyneIndustries wow great! thank you for all! :)
gwencharlotte 1 year ago
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gwencharlotte 1 year ago
I've got a question please, I'm making a sub bass with massive(logic) now, but I think I did smthg wrong, cause i put a BRAUNER TUBE on FX1 and a REVERB on FX2... I think I should not, right??? (cause maybe reverb + compression is not good???) also, what do you think is better ?? to put 1 single bass from 40Hz to 400Hz or 2 bass, one "sub" from 40Hz to 100Hz then a bass from 100Hz to 400Hz???
thanks
gwencharlotte 1 year ago
@gwencharlotte When you're working in sub bass frequencies you want to make sure your sound is as clean as possible. Using simple waveforms for your sub bass punches through the mix and doesn't "color" or "muddy" the sound up with too many harmonics. Adding distortion creates a lot of harmonics that won't make your sub sound any better (probably the opposite). Adding reverb on the sub also kills the sound. You can add reverb to the midrange and high end of the bassline if you want though.
AnodyneIndustries 1 year ago
Also, you can use one synth to play all of your sub bass notes. There's really no need to use two synths to play your sub unless you want to try something out of the box like different LFO's controlling the volume, or different pitch bend ranges, etc. Remember, the sub is very deep and is sometimes felt more than it's heard. Keep it simple. You can add all of the crazy reverbs, effects, distortion, etc with other synths above the 120(ish) range.
AnodyneIndustries 1 year ago
@AnodyneIndustries ok, thank you very much for your answers
gwencharlotte 1 year ago
lol it's funny when you speak you speak in the rythm of the music, it seems your voice is part of the song hahaha it sounds great lol nice tuto btw :) (and sexy voice as well ;) )
gwencharlotte 1 year ago
@gwencharlotte That's weird... I had no idea I was doing that. Makes sense though, I recorded the voiceover after I made the video so I was probably doing that subconsciously.
AnodyneIndustries 1 year ago
Question. Is there a specific reason you use that plug-in EQ of yours and not the native Live one? Don't they do the exact same thing? What's the reason of using another EQ=
duckotaco 1 year ago
I dont rly understand why you put an eq on the sine. the sine waveform only contains the fundamental frequency, so filtering/eqing would just adjust it volume. Or am i wrong? :S
Soadtt 1 year ago
but yeah, the 40hz cutoff will kick guts, but the 26hz cutoff will suck planets into voids
DJmaoriDMW 1 year ago
@DJmaoriDMW Yeah technically speaking you'd be letting more sub bass come through if you don't cut it off. But I've found that cutting it off at 40-80 keeps the subs from muddying up the rest of the mix. You can still boost your sub frequencies a number of ways even if you cut the super lows (which, aren't necessarily even in the range of human hearing) and get a super thick clean sound ;)
AnodyneIndustries 1 year ago
oh hey bro, i just learned something from my own experience and playing around with the sub bass cut off, don't limit the sub bass to 40hz, make it lower at around 26hz, as the 33hz stuff will get missed, and thats the WWWWWWWOBBBBB, WOBWWBWBWWOBWOWBWBOBWOBOWWB, *HOLY MUDDA FUCK* area, between 29-36hz anyway, cheers bo
DJmaoriDMW 1 year ago
hey bro, from the mighty howick, auckland, nz, hook, like punch, like 'punch a slut' for being a filthy ratty hoe, an biff is throw :) ta chief!
can't wait to get home an work on some fat banga beats~~~
DJmaoriDMW 1 year ago
sick sick sick, thanks man, please check, i did your tut about the bass mono sub, and putting the lfo everywhere, made a bassline, wanna hook a slut with it, its so sick, so yeah man, threw it together and biffed it on youtube, thanks for encouragement man, cheers!
DJmaoriDMW 1 year ago
@DJmaoriDMW Hahahaha! Where are you from?! Some of the things you say make no sense at all but make me laugh. "Hook a sl_t" (WTF?!) what happens when you "biff" something on Youtube?
AnodyneIndustries 1 year ago
the fuck-----n man, cheers bro, and your tracks sound fkn awesome, dan nz, you can check out my shit, im getting better, but i got a lot to learn ;)
DJmaoriDMW 1 year ago
@DJmaoriDMW thanks for watching! Listening to 'Thunder in Palmy" now. Nice epic sound! You're using a lot of supersaw leads which gives it that big trance feel. Nice choice. Not many people make dubstep without a persistent "wobble" to it. I'm glad you aren't doing that. Keep working at it. You've got skillz ;)
AnodyneIndustries 1 year ago
hey thanks for the awesome video!! i have one question; how can we use a long bass line up on the kiks ,without get distortion?
crockynut 1 year ago
One way is to use sidechain compression to quickly (or slowly if you're into that kind of thing) duck the sub bass when the kick hits. The other way is to make sure your subs and your kick don't use the same frequencies. Lowpass the sub at 100 and highpass the kick at 120 or something. Just make sure they don't cross over eachother. There are other ways but I'm sure you get the idea.
AnodyneIndustries 1 year ago
Alright...I gotta know. Why are you rolling off freqs below 40hz on the sub-bass. You won't notice the difference unless you have a SERIOUS sound system hooked up to your computer. Like I have a 5.1 logic surround sound one. The woofer only goes to ~80hz or so. Most consumer woofers go to ~ 50-60hz. Any club worth its salt will have a system that ranges from 20hz+. So why limit what people hear?
Refacull 2 years ago
Just because you can't hear it doesn't mean you can't feel it. on a system that could go down that low I'd prefer my tracks not to be sounding muddy because of some -40hz noise happening. and possibly muddying it up. I do notice a difference in the feeling of the sub when I roll off at 40hz. It's not as thick and overpoweringly subby. It still has a low low end punch and fullness to it without feeling too heavy.
AnodyneIndustries 2 years ago
@AnodyneIndustries ahh right, just read this, well, thats cool, i want my sound to feel heavy, like mother nature sub sonic shenanigans
DJmaoriDMW 1 year ago
hey bro, can you tell us how did you do THE VOICE OF THE BEGINNING TUTORIAL SONG?? i would apreciate it a lot. GREETINGS!
dgno66 2 years ago
Simple. Find a sample of someone talking. Pitch it down a couple of semitones and stretch it. Presto!
AnodyneIndustries 2 years ago
hey there Anodyne,
good tutorial and a nice trick there with massive for the sub bass! had an headacke how to make a sub with a synth...wanted actually try the same thing with z3ta, but i like to work more with massive, so once again thanks for the tut.!
Cqnz 2 years ago
whats the little thing you added to your clip to make it mono i really need that
where do you find it and what is it called
thanks
harrychristner 2 years ago
I just use a standard plugin included in Ableton live. You can find it under "Utility" in the Live Devices browser.
AnodyneIndustries 2 years ago
::shrugs:: In my tracks I've just found that it tends to muddy up the mix if I leave the sub untreated. Most of my subs aren't pure sine tones so they're already somewhat "colorful" down there. Rolling off at 40 keeps things sounding clear and clean without killing too much of the subs. Believe me, on a club sound system it still shakes the walls.
AnodyneIndustries 2 years ago
@AnodyneIndustries but bring down the building at 33 ;)
DJmaoriDMW 1 year ago
Why do you cut below 40? Thats were you get a lot of the sub feel from.
GerG5kates 2 years ago
The EQ is a waves plugin. They're kind of pricey. Ableton has decent Eq's built in. They work fine for just cutting out entire ranges of frequencies, less so for fine tuning...
AnodyneIndustries 2 years ago
nice where did you get the eq??? the one and live 7 aint great
MinimalDaz 2 years ago