LOL @ the Peyton fans. I am a huge Pats fan, and we're rivals against the Colts. But I respect Peyton Manning a lot, and I only hate him because he's good. Lol Not even his brother is better than him. Both QB's are the best! End of story! Stop trying to find ways to squeeze Peyton Manning in the number one list.
manning has more NFL MVP titles than brady, more passing yards, touchdowns, games won, a higher passing rating, more pro bowls, ohh and he is 13 spots higher than brady in this list... The only thing Brady has more than manning is SB's won and SB's lost
I like both qbs, Manning my favorite and to be honest he has choked in the past.... but u cant hand him all them playoffs loss in recent years... the jets game wasnt on him...the chargers game wasnt on him, the pick 6 was on hit tho lol....but dont act like brady aint never threw a pick with the game on the line....afc championship... brady aint been two sucess in rencent years either...... stop bashing on manning so much
@777zippy777 PUSSY ass ran huh. better luck next time. no need to work on your strategy because i have the truth on my side. i'll just check on here tomorrow for like half an hour. By all means zippy, take all night on your strategy.(you'll need it)
@madientrini33 Hold on... I got a doozie of a post coming for ya... It might take me a few minutes, but it's worth the wait... this will be all the proof I need... Hold....! Hold.....!! Hold.....!!!
@777zippy777 Still no one will ever rank Brady higher for this generation of QB's... LOL all you want b/c their stil is a Manning in the NFL taking titles from Brady... Manning will be back this article is a few months old... It was written when they thought the Pats could win SB 46 and Eli Manning said hell no to that.
Manning will be back with someone if not the Colts and will still be the QB everyone looks up to this generation.
@Greendude33 No one in your little world maybe, but that means shit to me. Brady still has a good 5 years left to add to his already legendary resume'. Brokeneck Manning? Not so much. The Colts will be kicking his dead ass to the curb shortly...
@777zippy777 Who's to say Brady won't get hurt in those 5 years? You simply don't know and Peyton will be back... Regardless his legacy of being superior to Brady is sealed. Brady cannot go back in time and erase all the help the superior NE organization has been to him.
The day someone calls Bradshaw with 4 SB wins 0 losses better than Brady will be the day they can call Brady over Peyton
@Greendude33 Here, google this, retard: "Bleacher Report Tom Brady cements legacy as best QB of this generation". Gee... it's on Bleacher Report! Duuuhhhh, it MUST be true!!!
@777zippy777 Even people like Bob Ryan and Jackie McMullen of the Boston Globe have said Peyton was better so get over it.... The Pats are better than the Colts in everything but the QB position so get over it... Brady has a wife already get off his dick...
@Greendude33 Yeah, coming from a dumbass who needs other people to give him his opinions. Sorry, dumbfuck, I prefer to think for myself. "Well, so-and-so said PEYTON was better, so there!!" HAHAHA you sound like a fuckin' 9-year-old with that shit. Give it up, fag, you lose this debate in a landslide.
@Greendude33 What has Brady done over Peyton besides watch his clutch kicker come through 3 times... NE's spy camera's were more critical for a SB than Brady.
As for Cassel where is he now? Oh yea riding the pine behind Kyle Orton
@Greendude33 Peyton's superiority to Brady is sealed forever inside of your tiny, limited, closed mind. Sorry, moron, with a good 5 years to go, Brady aint even CLOSE to being done writing his resume'. Manning may already be done.
@777zippy777 ESPN,NFL Network, ABC,NBC,CBS FOX... Suck it fag.... Manning has a better chance of coming back and winning a SB than Brady does of winnning a SB again now that Adam V is gone and that spy cameras are not allowed.
@Greendude33 But nice try, dumbass, the articles on Bleacher Report are written by bloggers, which is barely one step above what goes on here on youtube. So citing any article on that site is basically telling me you think Manning is better than Brady because maidentrini33 said so.
Again, you are a clueless idiot who just got his ass kicked in this debate. And now you're just floundering around the internet, grasping at straws. Give it up, shit-for-brains, you have no chance.
@777zippy777 Bleacher Report are sports journalists whom all have more credability than you where's your sports website? No analyst on the NFL network ESPN,NBC,ABC,CBS or FOX have called Brady over Peyton enough said... Even sports journalists from the Boston Globe say Peyton...
I have the experts, polls of fans across America and the testimony of Brady himself in support what do you have dumbass?
@Greendude33 BR is made up of unpaid contributors and bloggers (i.e. sports fans). The website is considered to be a joke by those with half a brain (yeah- not you), because they routinely use opinions rather than reliable research.
Again, you proudly display your ignorance and lack of education.
@777zippy777 ESPN,NFL Network,FOX,CBS,NBC and ABC what about them an all their analysts? Stupid fuck you have no factual credbile support....
NFL experts across the board say Peyton Manning that's reliable research for your ass... When I see you covering the NFL on one of these networks I'll listen to you
then ray lewis says the colts are shit without manning and they go 2-14 the milli-second he says it. Then the nfl gives manning 13 spots ahead of brady as the best player ever. then manning wins qb of the decade. then coaches from new york, san diego, washington dc, tennesee, and most of the hall of fame qb's say manning is the best in the game today.
It's pointless zippy. you will never win this battle. not as long as the truth is on my side
@madientrini33 Yep, too bad... oh well, at least he didn't throw a pick-six with 3:22 left in the 4th quarter to lose it for his team. Ouch... that's gotta sting... but it's OK, really, we're all used to Manning coming up small in the biggest games.
"To me, he's the greatest of all time. He's a friend of mine, and someone that I always watch and admire, because he always wants to improve, he always wants to get better, and he doesn't settle for anything less than the best. So, when you watch the best and you're able to learn from the best, hopefully that helps me get better."
@777zippy777 To me, he's the greatest of all time. He's a friend of mine, and someone that I always watch and admire, because he always wants to improve, he always wants to get better, and he doesn't settle for anything less than the best. So, when you watch the best and you're able to learn from the best, hopefully that helps me get better."
—Tom Brady, on Peyton Manning
If Brady himself doesnt even feel better than Peyton that says it all... I rest my case
Brady got to learn under Drew Bledsoe who was an elite QB at the time, not only that but he has had one of the best coaching staffs and defensive supporting casts in his 3 titles. Peyton is literally a player coach who runs the entire offense unlike Brady who listens to his O coordinator and Belichick.
Pats without Brady = 11-5 Colts without Peyton= 2-14 enough said. If Peyton had a defense like Brady did early on he'd have 4-5 rings easy.
@Greendude33 couple flaws w ur statement. pats defense sucked against the panthers in 04, in 07 they also werent anything special. pats w out brady were 11-5 cuz matt cassell is a legit nfl qb, orlovsky and painter are not. the colts wouldnt have been that amazing this year anyway, the patriots' offense was still in its prime when cassel took over.
@hestermanfan No the Pats D in their 3 titles were top 10 in points allowed and takeaways... Ty Law and Samuel were TO creating machines. The Colts have never ranked as high as the championship Pats defenses.
Matt Cassell a legit QB? Are you serious? He couldnt even make a starting position in college, NE just picked him up to fill the depth chart never intending to see him play ever. He's so legit that the second Kyle Orton went to KC he lost his spot.
@Greendude33 Peyton had a #1 defense in 2007 and a #2 in 2005. Both times he led them to one-and-dones in the playoffs. Now, what part of that says he'd have 4-5 rings if he had a defense like Brady did? LMAO! He DID have a quality defense like Brady, and STILL couldn't get it done, except in '06 when he threw 3 TDs & 7 INTs that postseason and his defense carried his ass to his only title.
Look what Montana had in the '80s. Nobody's discrediting what HE did.
@777zippy777 The Peyton era Colts have never had a number 1 overall defense ever that's a complete lie. They also have always been near the bottom in points allowed and takeaways. Regardless SB rings are irrelevant in a QB arguement b/c that's a TEAM achievement and eveyone aknowleges the Pats have been the superior overall team over the past 10 years. Peyton is superior to Brady in every QB stat and has 3 more MVP awards.
@Greendude33 It's not a lie, The 2007 Colts were #1 in scoring defense. That's points allowed. And anyone with half a brain knows that's how you truly gauge a defense. Points allowed, not yards allowed.
"Always been near the bottom in points allowed"? Hardly. #7 in 2002, #2 in 2005, #1 in 2007, #7 in 2008, #8 in 2009.
Do some research before you make yourself look stupid on youtube.
@777zippy777 Not according to the NFL and ESPN they were not... The Colts have never been #1 in D, they were only number 1 in pass defense once and top 5 a few other years in the Peyton era and that was thanks to Freeney & Mathis and not shut down corners like Law & Samuels.
No one outside of Pats fans rank Brady over Peyton, Brady has only had the better team and coaching, he could never do what Peyton did in Indy.
@Greendude33 And no one outside of your house thinks Peyton has 3 more MVPs than Brady or is superior to Brady in every QB stat. Now what does that tell you? It tells me you are just another clueless, ignorant, delusional Manning fantard.
@777zippy777 Sue me I forgot about the 2010 season, Peyton still has more MVP awards so the point is valid... The Colts could not win with a HS quarterback like the Pats did and this year proved it Cassel is no better than Painter. Cassell sucks out of NE he instantly lost his spot to Kyle Orton in KC. Had NE needed him for another season he would have put up 4000+ yds and 30+ TD's and mind you he was a QB not good enough to start even in college.
@777zippy777 In 2008 Cassel threw for 3700 yds and 21 tds... And this was for a QB that was only starter quality in HS not even college. Afer more work with Bellichick and extra 300 yds and 9 TDs would have been nothing. In KC he couldnt even keep his starting position. No QB can jump into Peyton's offense and win in like Cassell did with Belichick's offense, Brady cannot even run Peyton's offense he needs Bill and O'Brien/McDaniels
@Greendude33 And Manning needs Tom Moore. He's never played an NFL season without him. Cassel led the shitty Chiefs to the playoffs-- which is more than he ever did with NE.
Yeah, 3,700 yds, 21 TDs and 11 INTs with the SAME TEAM that Brady threw 4,800 yds, 50 TDs and 8 INTs with. Quite the drop-off.
But by all means continue to make yourself look stupid on here.
@777zippy777 Did Brady's 4800yds and 50tds stats come after 1 NFL season? Give Cassell that many seasons with NE and his stats would be in that region... Brady's first season was only 2800yds 18 tds and 12 ints which was worse than Cassell's 1st season and this was a QB who could only start on the HS level
@Greendude33 "give Cassel that many seasons with NE"... Again, speculation doesn't mean shit in this argument. I only deal in terms of reality, not some biased bullshit speculative arguments coming from a Manning nuthugger. Sorry, dumbass, it doesn't work that way.
@777zippy777 No it's proof that any QB can be good in NE, Bledsoe and Cassel did damn well themselves. The Colts were a joke franchise between the Unitas and Peyton era and were a joke this season. Matt Cassel in NE would be the system QB that Brady is hell even better considering their 1st seasons. The Masterminds are on the sidelines for NE for Indy the mastermind was wearing the #18 jersey.
@Greendude33 All that is proof of is that Cassel was a serviceable QB for the 2008 Patriots, nothing more. Anything else you wanna add to that is pure speculation. You know it, I know it.
@777zippy777 Cassel did better than Brady's debut NFL season. In their First seasons Cassell was the superior QB. That's proof that it's not hard to play QB for a coaching genius. He'd be groomed the same way Brady was and would be a system QB right now if Brady never came back. Everyone knows the NE system is solid without Brady and we know that Peyton is Indy's system.
@777zippy777 No Peyton came into the NFL as rookie no grooming like Brady,Rodgers or Cassell and set 5 NFL rookie records for a QB at the time. Peyton as a young kid took the reigns of franchise and controlled its fate. Brady took the reings under a system and QB that was already winning games before Brady.
@Greendude33 Hahahaha, yeah, Peyton took over on a 3-13 team and led them to... 3-13. Bravo! LMFAO!! Brady took over on a team that was 5-13 in their last 18 games and led them to a SB win in his first season as starter.
@777zippy777 The Colts had to suck to draft Peyton idiot that's how the Draft works... Brady was a late pick b/c the Pats were already winning with Drew Bledsoe. Peyton built the Indy based Colts and of course a rookie QB cannot take a shit franchise to the SB in one season... However a system QB in a solid team can win early in their carrerr ask Big Ben or Rodgers who like Brady inherited winning teams.
@Greendude33 Yeah I know the 1997 Colts sucked, dumbfuck. And Peyton took over in '98 and they went 3-13 with him. Wow- HUGE difference maker there! HAHAHAHA!! Brady took over for a 5-13 team and led them to a SB win over a team that was favored by 14-points. First year as a starter: Brady>Manning. Eat shit, fag.
@Greendude33 pointless dude. the nfl named manning qb of the decade in a decade where another qb won 3 rings. manning was ranked 8 all time while brady as 21. lmao. Just laugh at this pompous buffoon. do you know he's a salesman. salesman have all the time in the world to argue on youtube and make no doubt he will argue all night. Because his rage for manning runs his life.
But your right, manning is the better qb and the pats are the better team.
@777zippy777 you bumptious moron. Has anyone even whispered about manning being a system qb while brady continuously gets that label? Maybe because he throws 5 yard passes to welker and branch who are underneath recievers. Brady couldn't make it work with ocho and as soon as moss lost a step the pats had to get rid of him because brady couldn't function without a prime moss..
@madientrini33 bumptious? LOL!! Have you been reading your thesaurus again, maidentrini?? You silly, silly young man. Hey, do you want me to PM you on what video I might post on next? That way, you won't have to search around for me on youtube- you'll know right where I am. I can imagine how frustrating that must be for you.
brady can't throw deep well for shit. He underthrew to growkownksi so bad that a white mlb caught up to it. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaah.
eli manning threw a dime to manningham didn't he. No room for error and he put it over a cb just before the safety could get there. And brady was couldn't hit welker on the numbers when he was wide open. that was because the pass was over 15 yards..
@madientrini33 I agree-- Eli is the most clutch QB in his family. Good for him! Now please, stop stalking me on youtube, maidentrini! It's really starting to become comical... I mean, frightening! LMAO!!
@madientrini33 right, he throws those passes cuz he doesnt have a deep threat. lets see who manning has had: a prime marvin harrison for his entire career, reggie wayne, brandon stokely, dallas clark. brady had moss in the tailing YEAR of his prime. and a 5'9 white receiver who runs a 4.6 40. give brady mannings weapons and brady will break even more of mannings records :)
@hestermanfan Harrison is all Manning has ever had... The rest are nothing without Peyton... Get your Madden rankings out of here. Give Peyton Randy Moss, Welker or Gronk and he'd shred anything Brady has done.... Get out of here with that arguement... Give Peyton Brady's defenses from 01-04 and see what happens
@Greendude33 and a guy named reggie wayne. and an amazing slot receiver named brandon stokely. and one of the best tight ends named dallas clark. lets see brady had the actual randy moss for 1 season? and they went 18-0 and brady broke mannings records? right. and lets see welker before brady. and gronk is a beast, whats your point? id take marvin harrison reggie wayne and clark over moss welker and gronk ANYDAY and moss and gronk never played together. colts had amazing defenses look it up
@hestermanfan What has Stokely done outside of Indy nothing... What Wayne do this season? Nothing. Dallas Clark doesnt even come close to Gronk and Randy Moss in his prime had far more talent than Harrison. Brady has always had better weapons over the course of his career and he only beat Peyton by 1 TD pass in 07 big whoop it's not like he blew him away. No the Colts never had Patrtio quality Defenses they have always been near last place in points allowed and takeaways.
@Greendude33 what did welker do outside ne? wayne had painter, dont be dumb. clark in his prime was amazing, brady had gronk for 1 season really. brady never had moss in his prime, he had him at 30 and for 1 season, then missed ALL OF 08! manning had harrison who kills moss in all stats for his entire career. no 1 will argue that manning had worse weapons than brady, thats the all time dumbest argument. any sportswriter will tell u that brady did everything w nothing
@hestermanfan No one on earth will call Stokley better than Welker....Clark is no Gronk not even close Peyton made Clark. Harrison just beats him in stats but everyone knows Moss was un converable in his prime long before Megatron Randy Moss was "Mossing" shutdown CB's like they were nothing.
Brady did everything with nothing LMAO.... HOF Coach,HOF Kicker, HOF defenders, HOF WR, get real the Pats are better than the Colts in everything but QB.
@Greendude33 stokely could at least go deep. dallas for entire career, gronk for 1 year. harrison for entire career, old moss for 1 year. lets see belichick had a losing record before brady took over (you dumbass), vinatieri played for the colts if i recall correctly, bob sanders, dwight freeney, robert mathis (you dumbass again), hof receivers marvin harrison and reggie wayne. what hof receivers do the pats have? moss? for 1 year? when he was past his prime? ur actually stupid.
@hestermanfan The only HOF for Indy thus far other than Peyton will be Harrison... Freeney and Mathis can only pass rush they suck compared to other NFL DE's in rush defense.
No one with professional sports resumes call Brady over Peyton not even Brady himself thinks he's better... Im done here the facts dont lie
@Greendude33 I've already proved you wrong on at least 3 different points you attempted to make. You fucking suck at debating. Go do some actual research on this subject and then maybe I'll take you seriously.
@Greendude33 If Cassel sucks, then Painter and Orlovsky are pure dogshit. Cassel learned behind Brady & Belichick for 3 years before 2008, dipshit. He knew the offense. Then he took over on an 18-win team that had just gone to the SB. You're comparing the 2008 Pats to the 2011 Colts? Dumb. Ass.
@777zippy777 Brady just runs what the coaches draw up like every NFL QB other than Peyton.... Peyton is the only QB who has complete command of his offense using coaches only as support. No shit Painter or Orlovsky could not do that in Indy. That's the point of how hard Peyton's job was and how easy Brady's is... Painter or Orlosvsky could sure as hell do better than 2-14 in NE.
@Greendude33 Yep, Peyton has complete command of his offense. I agree. He IS the offense. That's why that 9-10 postseason record falls squarely on his shoulders as well as those 7 playoff one-and-dones. Oh, and also that pick-six that he threw to lose SB 44. :D :D :D But let me guess, you give Peyton ZERO blame for that pick-six, don't you?
Gee, however did I guess THAT?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
@777zippy777 Brady could never carry his team to a win like Peyton has had too...Peyton has always had more weight on his shoulders than Brady... Playoff success relies on team performance and Manning is better than Brady. No one is arguing that the Colts are better than the Pats.
T. Moore only plays a support role he is a subordinate to Peyton and has no command over the calls that's all on Peyton.
@Greendude33 2006 postseason: Manning threw 3 TDs and 7 INTs and his defense allowed just 12.7 ppg, forcing 13 turnovers and recording 8 sacks. Nice to know Manning's defense carried his ass to his only SB title.
Moore was Manning's OC from 1998 to 2008. That's no support role, idiot.
@777zippy777 NE has carried Tom Brady his entire career from the coaches to future HOF defenders and coaches...Not to mention the most clutch kicker ever gave him 3 rings what happened when he needed a TD against the Giants? What always happens to Brady when he needs to step up more? Brady could not carry the Colts and do what Peyton has done for them.
@Greendude33 Oh, the same Vinatieri that scored all 15 points in the Colts 2006 playoff win over Baltimore? THAT Vinatieri? The same Vinatieri that kicked 14 FGs in the 2006 postseason? HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Shut the fuck up, clown.
@Greendude33 Brady has 5 career 4th-quarter super bowl scoring drives. 3 of them were game-winners. How many has Peyton had? ZERO. That's called stepping up.
And what happened when Peyton was asked to step up in a SB?
"Picked off... LOOK OUT!! Gets past Manning.. and it's TRACY PORTER.. all the way... touchdown, New Orleans."
Ring any bells, asshole? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
@777zippy777 Brady is worthless if he's down 4+points in the last minutes... Adam Vinateri held the fate of all three SB wins...
Every NFL fan outside of Pats fans all say Peyton > Brady... Your arguements NE vs Indy... Ya Peyton lost a SB Brady has lost 2 SB's... If you wanna put all the blame on Peyton then I will blame Brady 100% for getting manhandled by NYG twice.
@Greendude33 Manning is even more worthless if he's down 4+ points in the last minutes... he's proven that he'll just fold like a blanket and throw a pick-six every time.
@Greendude33 Fine, dickless, put all the blame on Brady for his 2 SB losses. I put all the blame on Peyton for his SB loss (PICK SIX, bitch) and I give all the credit to the Colts' defense for carrying Manning and his 3 TDs & 7 INTs in SB 41.
13 seasons.. ONE title. Yeah, that's just special.
@777zippy777 SB's are TEAM stats.... Terry Bradshaw with the iron curtain was 4-0 in the SB is Terry Bradshaw better than Brady?
A pick 6 is no worse than missing a wide open Welker or getting manhandled by Justin Tuck... A Loss is a Loss. Peyton is the better QB the Pats are the Better Team you get it yet?
@Greendude33 "missing a wide-open Welker"? Uh gee, I believe the ball hit Welker in BOTH hands. Yeah, but let's blame Brady for that one... dumbfuck.
No, sorry dipshit, a pick-six with 3:22 left, down 7 on your opponents 30 is MUCH MUCH worse than anything Brady has ever done. Don't kid yourself, asswipe.
@Greendude33 You're the stupid fuck, you stupid fuck. You thought it was "iron curtain"?? LMFAO!!!! You are fucking CLUELESS. CLUE. LESS. And shove that history paper up your ass, fag. I could give a shit less about that bullshit.
@777zippy777 I bet you could care less about an education you sure sould like you do.... Now stop deflecting.... is Terry Bradshaw better than Tom Brady? Dont give me the BS "I dont compare eras" Terrry Bradshaw is 4-0 in the SB does that make him better than Brady?
@hestermanfan You better pray Manning doesnt come back b/c thats the only way he'd every pass Manning in any all time QB stat. All Brady can ever say to Peyton is that he had the better teams during his career.
If you cant call Terry Brashaw better than Brady then you cant call Brady bettter than Manning...
@Greendude33 A little stumped after that 7-18 nugget, huh, moron? LOL!! Don't even think for a second you can match wits with me on this topic. You are outmatched, outgunned and outwitted. Just give it up, run away with your tail between your legs and try and forget about me. But just know that your ass was fucking OWNED tonight by a supremely-knowledgeable NFL fan that knows his shit backwards & forwards. Fuck off and hopefully die in some sort of horrible car accident very soon.
@777zippy777 Boston fans have no class... Damn It's funny to see NY teams beat their asses... Die in a car accident LMAO!!!! Someone's out of arguements.... Get laid loser move out of your mom's basement.
@Greendude33 Ahhhh.. the old "mom's basement" cliche... SO pathetic. And yet, so predictable too. When they're backed into a corner, they pull out the same old tired youtube cliche's... Bravo, dumbass!! Bravo!
@Greendude33 PICK-SIX to lose a super bowl... 9-10 in the postseason... 7 playoff one-and-dones... 3 TDs/7 INTs in his only SB run... That's Manning's legacy. A lot of regular season success with next to nothing to show for it when it counts the most.
@Greendude33 Peyton is 9-10 in the 19 most important games of his career. That's fucking horrible, dude. And when you're the QB, and you are the entire team, that shit is on you. Truth hurts, Manning fanboy.
@Greendude33 thats funny because cassell had his best season ever with kansas city, posting a 93 passer rating in 2010, throwing 27 tds and only 7 picks to his 21 tds and 11 picks with the patriots. cassel is a fine qb, hes just in kansas city. clearly, cassel is better than painter.
@Greendude33 "Peyton is superior to Brady in every QB stat"? Really, moron? Now about career passer rating? Brady 96.4, Manning 94.9. Sick of me proving you wrong yet?
@777zippy777 No one uses that QB rating system anymore they use QBR esp since Brady's average is skewed b/c 90% of his passes being short dump offs whereas Peyton is always throws more medium to long range passes. .... Peyton has better completion %, more TD's, more game winning drives, more passes over 20 yds. More 4th quarter comebacks, more passing yards, and he is the only QB that runs his own offense with no restrictions from the coashes.
@Greendude33 LOL! What a shocker- you're dumb enough to buy into ESPN's retarded QBR. Here's how fucking stupid QBR is:
Earlier this year, Rodgers completed 26 of 39 passes for 396 yds, 2 TDs and 0 INTs. His "QBR" was 82.1. The same day, Tebow completed 4 of 10 passes for 79 yds and 1 TD and his QBR was 83.2.
@777zippy777 QBR factors the QB's importance to a team winning, the old rating just uses ratios and Brady just throws 5-10 yard passes the whole game to puff up his rating... Peyton anhilates him in passes over 20 yds. Peyton takes higher risk throws but yet barely has a lower rating than Brady despite throwing more Ints b/c or more attempts and more high risk passes. The old QB raiting has no meaning the new one determines how performance is related to the win.
@Greendude33 Yeah moron, keep trying to convince yourself of that. But according to ESPN’s QBR, in 2008, both Orlovsky (51.1 QBR) and Thigpen (50.8 QBR) contributed more to winning NFL games than Super Bowl hero Roethlisberger (46.4 QBR).
Does anyone outside the film screening rooms of ESPN really believe Pittsburgh would have won that Super Bowl with Orlovsky or Thigpen under center? Made the playoffs? Finished .500? Get a clue, idiot.
@777zippy777 Oh and don't have the audacity to say Peyton was carried to anything that bullshit the Colts are the worst team in the league without him... If it wasnt for Adam Vinateri and spy cams, Brady would have 0 rings. All you have to do to beat Brady is go up by 4+ points in the 4th and he's done. He could never orchestrate a game winnning TD drive like the all time greats have all done including Manning.
@777zippy777 The Pats 2008 Season and the Colts 2011 season are ample proof who's more vital to their team... Any QB can succeed in the the Pats system look at Cassel's stats coming from a QB who hadn't started since HS. Bellichick can groom any QB to be good in that system Cassell would be putting up Brady numbers by now in that system, Brady is a system QB he could never run Peyton's offense in Indy. Whereas any NFL QB can succeed in NE.
hahah guess i win the debate you cant answer the question with all the copy and pasting of wikipidia all someone had to say was that and you cant answer it because youknow manning is better nuff said im out holla patriots burn in hell
@777ZIPPY777 It's laughably pathetic that you follow me around on youtube, attempting to make people think you're me with your "777ZIPPY777" account, which is just one of about 10 different accounts you have. Dead giveaway besides the all caps in "zippy": I actually know how to spell.
after goin a season with only one win against a team with a winning record with a lot of luck and losing again in the superbowl people will remember brady as a good QB but he did not win 3 superbowls his team with a great defense and a good kicker and the tuck rule did that. if you swap them around cant imagine the damage manning does in that patriot team 7 superbowls probably
@jessejones14 Well, if you wanna play the "if" game, I can say "if" Welker catches that pass and "if" Tyree drops his pass, Brady has 5 SB wins. Funny how it's "luck" when Brady wins but when he loses it's just him losing. And guess which QB won a super bowl without a good defense and good kicker? None of them did. I seem to recall Peyton throwing 3 TDs & 7 INTs in his only SB-winning postseason. Good thing his good defense & good kicker bailed him out.
@777zippy777 you may think you know alot but fact is your guy "won" when he had a reliable defense for about half a decade. yeah mannings d steped up in 06 but what if he had that luxury for about 6 seasons like brady had? you just said it your self manning won because he had a good d in 06. he has that d for along time same as tom terrific this convo wouldn't even take place the the video would be called manning wins another superbowl
@jessejones14 Manning had a more-than-reliable defense FIVE different seasons between 2002 and 2009. Unless you think having a #1 scoring D ('07) and a #2 scoring D ('05) isn't considered "reliable". But feel free to just blindly buy into the myths that are out there for the sheep to embrace. Not me. I know better.
@777zippy777 i noticed it took you more time for this one as you proberly just been looking stats up. the numbers you have just said about mannings defense all happend in the regular season, in post season all his defenses bar 06 has been horrible. giving up on average sumin like 24 points per game.
@jessejones14 Oh I see, so basically when the Colts win, it's all Manning. When they lose it's all on the defense. OK, just so I know where you stand. You sound like Skip Bayless talking about Tim Tebow.
@jessejones14 But the fact that Manning posted his worst passer rating of the season FIVE times in the postseason (99, 02, 03, 04, 06) doesn't count? OK, we'll just sweep that little nugget under the rug... LOL!
@777zippy777 i cant argue with your best friend Wikipedia he hasnt been the best in post season but over the decade people would agree with me than with you face is your guy is 3-0 with great defense in superbowls 0-2 without ?
@jessejones14 Yeah, sorry I go with facts and stats to support my arguments. My bad. I guess I should just argue with myths and speculative theories and perceptions like you do? No thanks, I'll stick with stats & facts.
@777zippy777 all though busts have shown us that come draft day its not an exact science but there is a reason he went 199th over all and i think he developed as a good quarterback through the patriots and thats the biggest difference between these guy he went to a team that made him good and manning went to a team and made them good an you can thow all the sats you like but that is fact and most would agree
@jessejones14 id like to ad that when indy trades manning this year which is a good decision i think and im a indy fan we will get a first second and 3rd round picks and luck this year good start to dominating for another decade. anyway to the teams available i see him goin to san fran and having a genuine shot at the big game if that happens but we will see.
@jessejones14 Well, whatever team Manning ends up with is going to have to rebuild their entire system around him like they did in Indy. Manning has only ever played in one system: the one created by Tom Moore to take advantage of his skill set. All I can say to that team is: Have fun with all that. Because now you have a 36-year-old QB coming off 3 neck surgeries. Better have one hell of a good O-line!
@jessejones14 Funny that Manning fans are all clamoring for Peyton to go to a team with a quality defense like the 49ers or Ravens or whomever. I know, I know, Manning needs the perfect situation of good defense and good skill players to win anything in the postseason. I understand.
I'd hate for Peyton to have to go to a team with, say, the worst total defense and worst pass defense in the NFL. Oh wait... Brady took that team to the super bowl this year! Huh... who knew? :)
@jessejones14 I would. Any QB that can drag the worst defense in the league to a SB is pretty damn good in my book. Especially when he throws for 5,235 yards and 39 TDs in the process. How many 5,000-yard seasons did Manning have again? Oh yeah, none.
@777zippy777 anyway most people would agree that manning is better than brady sept of course patriots fans. i bet you if a pole was taken on the best quarterback two colts qbs in manning and jonny U would be ahead of tom terrific.
@jessejones14 Hey that's fine if you need other people to give you your opinions. Not me. I prefer to think for myself. Although judging from what I'm hearing today, a lot of people now think Peyton isn't even the best QB in his own family. He's definitely not the most clutch QB in his own family.
@jessejones14 "the Pats made Brady good and Manning made the Colts good." THAT is fact? LMAO! That isn't fact, buddy. Not even close to fact. That's just a whimsical, biased perception based on very little, if any, substance. If you're gonna put THAT out there, then you might as well claim that this is a fact: "Manning is better than Brady because he's just better." Duh.
@jessejones14 Manning had the #1 scoring D and #2 scoring D in 2007 and 2005, respectively. And what did he do with it? One-and-done in the playoffs both seasons, including a home loss to the 6th-seeded Steelers in which afterwards he threw his O-line under the bus. Yeah, I know- real classy. Now what part of that screams "Peyton would've won 7 super bowls if only he had a good defense"? But by all means continue buying into those Manning myths.
@777zippy777 another fact for you more people would agree with me than with you. ok we lost to the steelers who were 6th seed, but the patriots lost to the 10-6 giants when they went 16-0 how much points did your boy put up i think it was 14? and you lost to the 9-7 giants yesterday who had gone through green bay and san fransisco. proberly most shocking loss of patrots history
@jessejones14 Sure, and the 2009 Colts started 14-0, then lost to the Saints who had the #20 scoring and #25 total D, where Manning floated the worst INT in NFL history to lose the game. But I guess in your world it's better to go one-and-done in the playoffs (which Manning has done 7 times) than lose in the Super Bowl. That's funny to me.
@777zippy777 you say all the fancey stats but the saints did have drew brees they had good defense which was number one in takeaways that year the most impotant stat a d can have. your guy has lost to the giants twice now and eli manning has out played you twice in superbowls that sais is all
@777zippy777 09 colts lost to the saint which started 13-0? 07 pats lose to the giants who were 0-2 in the first to games and scraped the play offs i wonder what is the worst loss?
@jessejones14 You can spin it however you want to fit your argument. The 2008 Colts, with the MVP of the NFL, lost to the 8-8 Chargers as Manning could only muster 17 points in yet another playoff one-and-done. I will agree that 18-1 was the biggest team choke ever, Brady was a big part of that even though he didn't throw an INT. But SB 44 was the single biggest QB choke ever in terms of the impact it had. That's not even debatable.
@777zippy777 i cant see how losing to a team that was 13-3 with high powered offense and number one defense in take aways is a bigger lose than a perfect patriots losing to a eli manning lead ginats are you kiding me?
@jessejones14 Yep, just like the Colts defense held the high-scoring, #1 offense Saints to 24 points (7 under their season average) and the MVP of the NFL couldn't produce more than 17 points? Well, my bad, actually he accounted for 24 points... 7 of those were to the Saints. :D
@777zippy777 well if you compare the games brady was mvp 14points manning mvp 17 points? saints 1 offense to the giants good knows were they where? so whats your point here you just talked down brady by comparing both games
LOL @ the Peyton fans. I am a huge Pats fan, and we're rivals against the Colts. But I respect Peyton Manning a lot, and I only hate him because he's good. Lol Not even his brother is better than him. Both QB's are the best! End of story! Stop trying to find ways to squeeze Peyton Manning in the number one list.
aaron93m 3 days ago
@aaron93m Im a colts fan and I agree, they are both great.
DTLEngage 3 days ago
@ferrariguy490 And Superbowl MVP's
aaron93m 3 days ago
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Sad too see this Man Go but it's a Business, he will always be Better Than Brady, in My Book.
TheSportsFan4Lyfe 3 days ago
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manning has more NFL MVP titles than brady, more passing yards, touchdowns, games won, a higher passing rating, more pro bowls, ohh and he is 13 spots higher than brady in this list... The only thing Brady has more than manning is SB's won and SB's lost
ferrariguy490 3 days ago
The war has been raging since the beginning of "Manningkind"
1994BigJB 4 days ago
I like both qbs, Manning my favorite and to be honest he has choked in the past.... but u cant hand him all them playoffs loss in recent years... the jets game wasnt on him...the chargers game wasnt on him, the pick 6 was on hit tho lol....but dont act like brady aint never threw a pick with the game on the line....afc championship... brady aint been two sucess in rencent years either...... stop bashing on manning so much
KutzyVisionTV 5 days ago
There Both Great! End Of Story:)
mbears1 6 days ago
@ThePeytonManningFan every nfl team cheats
MrJoelucius 2 weeks ago
it's fucking SAD But if 9/11 never happend then the Pats would of never had a "Dynasty"
TheSportsFan4Lyfe 2 weeks ago
Manning ALL DAY
TheSportsFan4Lyfe 2 weeks ago
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@777zippy777 PUSSY ass ran huh. better luck next time. no need to work on your strategy because i have the truth on my side. i'll just check on here tomorrow for like half an hour. By all means zippy, take all night on your strategy.(you'll need it)
madientrini33 3 weeks ago
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madientrini33 3 weeks ago
*disagree
Greendude33 3 weeks ago
manning coming up small huh. #8 all time as small for him. I guess your right.
madientrini33 3 weeks ago
@madientrini33 I guess I am right! Thanks, madie!! LOL!!
777zippy777 3 weeks ago
@madientrini33 Hold on... I got a doozie of a post coming for ya... It might take me a few minutes, but it's worth the wait... this will be all the proof I need... Hold....! Hold.....!! Hold.....!!!
777zippy777 3 weeks ago
@777zippy777 America and Tom Brady himself all agree that Peyton Manning is better... Tom Brady himself would diasagree with you haha.
Greendude33 3 weeks ago
@777zippy777 bleacher report. com/articles/847294-manning-vs-brady-the-final-round-of-footballs-epic-war (No Spaces obviously for the URL)
Greendude33 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 I like this quote from that first article:
"But this battle looks like it could end soon. Manning is hurt, and badly. His season, and ultimately his career, is in jeopardy." LOL!! Sweet.
777zippy777 3 weeks ago
@777zippy777 Still no one will ever rank Brady higher for this generation of QB's... LOL all you want b/c their stil is a Manning in the NFL taking titles from Brady... Manning will be back this article is a few months old... It was written when they thought the Pats could win SB 46 and Eli Manning said hell no to that.
Manning will be back with someone if not the Colts and will still be the QB everyone looks up to this generation.
Greendude33 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 No one in your little world maybe, but that means shit to me. Brady still has a good 5 years left to add to his already legendary resume'. Brokeneck Manning? Not so much. The Colts will be kicking his dead ass to the curb shortly...
777zippy777 3 weeks ago
@777zippy777 Who's to say Brady won't get hurt in those 5 years? You simply don't know and Peyton will be back... Regardless his legacy of being superior to Brady is sealed. Brady cannot go back in time and erase all the help the superior NE organization has been to him.
The day someone calls Bradshaw with 4 SB wins 0 losses better than Brady will be the day they can call Brady over Peyton
Greendude33 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 Here, google this, retard: "Bleacher Report Tom Brady cements legacy as best QB of this generation". Gee... it's on Bleacher Report! Duuuhhhh, it MUST be true!!!
You fucking chode.
777zippy777 3 weeks ago
@777zippy777 Even people like Bob Ryan and Jackie McMullen of the Boston Globe have said Peyton was better so get over it.... The Pats are better than the Colts in everything but the QB position so get over it... Brady has a wife already get off his dick...
Greendude33 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 Yeah, coming from a dumbass who needs other people to give him his opinions. Sorry, dumbfuck, I prefer to think for myself. "Well, so-and-so said PEYTON was better, so there!!" HAHAHA you sound like a fuckin' 9-year-old with that shit. Give it up, fag, you lose this debate in a landslide.
777zippy777 3 weeks ago
@777zippy777 Where's your sports network or sports column in a national paper? Your opinion doesnt mean shit compared to theirs...
Greendude33 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 What has Brady done over Peyton besides watch his clutch kicker come through 3 times... NE's spy camera's were more critical for a SB than Brady.
As for Cassel where is he now? Oh yea riding the pine behind Kyle Orton
Greendude33 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 Peyton's superiority to Brady is sealed forever inside of your tiny, limited, closed mind. Sorry, moron, with a good 5 years to go, Brady aint even CLOSE to being done writing his resume'. Manning may already be done.
777zippy777 3 weeks ago
@777zippy777 ESPN,NFL Network, ABC,NBC,CBS FOX... Suck it fag.... Manning has a better chance of coming back and winning a SB than Brady does of winnning a SB again now that Adam V is gone and that spy cameras are not allowed.
Greendude33 3 weeks ago
@777zippy777 bleacher report .com/articles/873614-peyton-manning-the-most-valuable-player-of-his-generation (No Spaces)
Greendude33 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 But nice try, dumbass, the articles on Bleacher Report are written by bloggers, which is barely one step above what goes on here on youtube. So citing any article on that site is basically telling me you think Manning is better than Brady because maidentrini33 said so.
Again, you are a clueless idiot who just got his ass kicked in this debate. And now you're just floundering around the internet, grasping at straws. Give it up, shit-for-brains, you have no chance.
777zippy777 3 weeks ago
@777zippy777 Bleacher Report are sports journalists whom all have more credability than you where's your sports website? No analyst on the NFL network ESPN,NBC,ABC,CBS or FOX have called Brady over Peyton enough said... Even sports journalists from the Boston Globe say Peyton...
I have the experts, polls of fans across America and the testimony of Brady himself in support what do you have dumbass?
Greendude33 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 BR is made up of unpaid contributors and bloggers (i.e. sports fans). The website is considered to be a joke by those with half a brain (yeah- not you), because they routinely use opinions rather than reliable research.
Again, you proudly display your ignorance and lack of education.
777zippy777 3 weeks ago
@777zippy777 ESPN,NFL Network,FOX,CBS,NBC and ABC what about them an all their analysts? Stupid fuck you have no factual credbile support....
NFL experts across the board say Peyton Manning that's reliable research for your ass... When I see you covering the NFL on one of these networks I'll listen to you
Greendude33 3 weeks ago
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madientrini33 3 weeks ago
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madientrini33 3 weeks ago
then brady flat out says manning is the best qb.
then ray lewis says the colts are shit without manning and they go 2-14 the milli-second he says it. Then the nfl gives manning 13 spots ahead of brady as the best player ever. then manning wins qb of the decade. then coaches from new york, san diego, washington dc, tennesee, and most of the hall of fame qb's say manning is the best in the game today.
It's pointless zippy. you will never win this battle. not as long as the truth is on my side
madientrini33 3 weeks ago
@madientrini33 Pick Six... 9-10.... 7 playoff one-and-dones... 3 TDs & 7 INTs.... ONE title in 13 seasons....
'Nuff said.
777zippy777 3 weeks ago
@777zippy777 its enough to be placed in front of brady
madientrini33 3 weeks ago
@madientrini33 Oh I know you'll be stalking me somewhere... you just can't help yourself.
777zippy777 3 weeks ago
then brady basically had another TO in the 1st qtr when he gave the giants 2 free points and the ball.
madientrini33 3 weeks ago
@madientrini33 Yep, too bad... oh well, at least he didn't throw a pick-six with 3:22 left in the 4th quarter to lose it for his team. Ouch... that's gotta sting... but it's OK, really, we're all used to Manning coming up small in the biggest games.
777zippy777 3 weeks ago
Every professional sports poll has Manning over Brady.... End of Story I rest my case America agrees with me that Peyton > Brady.... and Pats > Colts
Greendude33 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 thats why the nfl named manning qb of the decade. :)
madientrini33 3 weeks ago
"To me, he's the greatest of all time. He's a friend of mine, and someone that I always watch and admire, because he always wants to improve, he always wants to get better, and he doesn't settle for anything less than the best. So, when you watch the best and you're able to learn from the best, hopefully that helps me get better."
—Tom Brady, on Peyton Manning
Checkmate Bitch
Greendude33 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 Yeah, and in that same interview, Brady said Welker and Branch are the two best WRs in the NFL.
You believe that one too?? LMFAO!!! Because I guess Brady's word is solid gold now!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
777zippy777 3 weeks ago
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@777zippy777 To me, he's the greatest of all time. He's a friend of mine, and someone that I always watch and admire, because he always wants to improve, he always wants to get better, and he doesn't settle for anything less than the best. So, when you watch the best and you're able to learn from the best, hopefully that helps me get better."
—Tom Brady, on Peyton Manning
If Brady himself doesnt even feel better than Peyton that says it all... I rest my case
Greendude33 3 weeks ago
Brady got to learn under Drew Bledsoe who was an elite QB at the time, not only that but he has had one of the best coaching staffs and defensive supporting casts in his 3 titles. Peyton is literally a player coach who runs the entire offense unlike Brady who listens to his O coordinator and Belichick.
Pats without Brady = 11-5 Colts without Peyton= 2-14 enough said. If Peyton had a defense like Brady did early on he'd have 4-5 rings easy.
Greendude33 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 couple flaws w ur statement. pats defense sucked against the panthers in 04, in 07 they also werent anything special. pats w out brady were 11-5 cuz matt cassell is a legit nfl qb, orlovsky and painter are not. the colts wouldnt have been that amazing this year anyway, the patriots' offense was still in its prime when cassel took over.
hestermanfan 3 weeks ago
@hestermanfan No the Pats D in their 3 titles were top 10 in points allowed and takeaways... Ty Law and Samuel were TO creating machines. The Colts have never ranked as high as the championship Pats defenses.
Matt Cassell a legit QB? Are you serious? He couldnt even make a starting position in college, NE just picked him up to fill the depth chart never intending to see him play ever. He's so legit that the second Kyle Orton went to KC he lost his spot.
Greendude33 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 Peyton had a #1 defense in 2007 and a #2 in 2005. Both times he led them to one-and-dones in the playoffs. Now, what part of that says he'd have 4-5 rings if he had a defense like Brady did? LMAO! He DID have a quality defense like Brady, and STILL couldn't get it done, except in '06 when he threw 3 TDs & 7 INTs that postseason and his defense carried his ass to his only title.
Look what Montana had in the '80s. Nobody's discrediting what HE did.
777zippy777 3 weeks ago
@777zippy777 The Peyton era Colts have never had a number 1 overall defense ever that's a complete lie. They also have always been near the bottom in points allowed and takeaways. Regardless SB rings are irrelevant in a QB arguement b/c that's a TEAM achievement and eveyone aknowleges the Pats have been the superior overall team over the past 10 years. Peyton is superior to Brady in every QB stat and has 3 more MVP awards.
Greendude33 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 It's not a lie, The 2007 Colts were #1 in scoring defense. That's points allowed. And anyone with half a brain knows that's how you truly gauge a defense. Points allowed, not yards allowed.
"Always been near the bottom in points allowed"? Hardly. #7 in 2002, #2 in 2005, #1 in 2007, #7 in 2008, #8 in 2009.
Do some research before you make yourself look stupid on youtube.
777zippy777 3 weeks ago
@777zippy777 Not according to the NFL and ESPN they were not... The Colts have never been #1 in D, they were only number 1 in pass defense once and top 5 a few other years in the Peyton era and that was thanks to Freeney & Mathis and not shut down corners like Law & Samuels.
No one outside of Pats fans rank Brady over Peyton, Brady has only had the better team and coaching, he could never do what Peyton did in Indy.
Greendude33 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 Yes they have, idiot. Do the research. #1 scoring defense in 2007, #2 scoring defense in 2005. Look it up. It's not that difficult.
777zippy777 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 And no one outside of your house thinks Peyton has 3 more MVPs than Brady or is superior to Brady in every QB stat. Now what does that tell you? It tells me you are just another clueless, ignorant, delusional Manning fantard.
777zippy777 3 weeks ago
@777zippy777 Sue me I forgot about the 2010 season, Peyton still has more MVP awards so the point is valid... The Colts could not win with a HS quarterback like the Pats did and this year proved it Cassel is no better than Painter. Cassell sucks out of NE he instantly lost his spot to Kyle Orton in KC. Had NE needed him for another season he would have put up 4000+ yds and 30+ TD's and mind you he was a QB not good enough to start even in college.
Greendude33 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 Google "QBR: ESPN's deeply flawed made-for-TV stat" and read the article. You'll have a good laugh at ESPN's expense.
777zippy777 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 Oh how CONVENIENT for you! You "forgot" about the entire 2010 NFL season where Brady won unanimous MVP. Shocker.
Cassel "would have" put up 4,000 yds and 30+ TDs? Really, dumbass? How nice that you use "woulda, coulda, shoulda" to make your arguments. LMFAO!!
777zippy777 3 weeks ago
@777zippy777 In 2008 Cassel threw for 3700 yds and 21 tds... And this was for a QB that was only starter quality in HS not even college. Afer more work with Bellichick and extra 300 yds and 9 TDs would have been nothing. In KC he couldnt even keep his starting position. No QB can jump into Peyton's offense and win in like Cassell did with Belichick's offense, Brady cannot even run Peyton's offense he needs Bill and O'Brien/McDaniels
Greendude33 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 And Manning needs Tom Moore. He's never played an NFL season without him. Cassel led the shitty Chiefs to the playoffs-- which is more than he ever did with NE.
Yeah, 3,700 yds, 21 TDs and 11 INTs with the SAME TEAM that Brady threw 4,800 yds, 50 TDs and 8 INTs with. Quite the drop-off.
But by all means continue to make yourself look stupid on here.
777zippy777 3 weeks ago
@777zippy777 Did Brady's 4800yds and 50tds stats come after 1 NFL season? Give Cassell that many seasons with NE and his stats would be in that region... Brady's first season was only 2800yds 18 tds and 12 ints which was worse than Cassell's 1st season and this was a QB who could only start on the HS level
Greendude33 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 "give Cassel that many seasons with NE"... Again, speculation doesn't mean shit in this argument. I only deal in terms of reality, not some biased bullshit speculative arguments coming from a Manning nuthugger. Sorry, dumbass, it doesn't work that way.
777zippy777 3 weeks ago
@777zippy777 No it's proof that any QB can be good in NE, Bledsoe and Cassel did damn well themselves. The Colts were a joke franchise between the Unitas and Peyton era and were a joke this season. Matt Cassel in NE would be the system QB that Brady is hell even better considering their 1st seasons. The Masterminds are on the sidelines for NE for Indy the mastermind was wearing the #18 jersey.
Greendude33 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 The 2001 Colts went 6-10 and Peyton started every game. I guess they were a joke that season too. LMFAO!!
777zippy777 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 All that is proof of is that Cassel was a serviceable QB for the 2008 Patriots, nothing more. Anything else you wanna add to that is pure speculation. You know it, I know it.
777zippy777 3 weeks ago
@777zippy777 Cassel did better than Brady's debut NFL season. In their First seasons Cassell was the superior QB. That's proof that it's not hard to play QB for a coaching genius. He'd be groomed the same way Brady was and would be a system QB right now if Brady never came back. Everyone knows the NE system is solid without Brady and we know that Peyton is Indy's system.
Greendude33 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 Cassel also did better than Manning's debut NFL season, so what's your point, dipshit? Oh right... you don't have a point.
777zippy777 3 weeks ago
@777zippy777 No Peyton came into the NFL as rookie no grooming like Brady,Rodgers or Cassell and set 5 NFL rookie records for a QB at the time. Peyton as a young kid took the reigns of franchise and controlled its fate. Brady took the reings under a system and QB that was already winning games before Brady.
Greendude33 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 Hahahaha, yeah, Peyton took over on a 3-13 team and led them to... 3-13. Bravo! LMFAO!! Brady took over on a team that was 5-13 in their last 18 games and led them to a SB win in his first season as starter.
Fuck you, I win.
777zippy777 3 weeks ago
@777zippy777 The Colts had to suck to draft Peyton idiot that's how the Draft works... Brady was a late pick b/c the Pats were already winning with Drew Bledsoe. Peyton built the Indy based Colts and of course a rookie QB cannot take a shit franchise to the SB in one season... However a system QB in a solid team can win early in their carrerr ask Big Ben or Rodgers who like Brady inherited winning teams.
Greendude33 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 Yeah I know the 1997 Colts sucked, dumbfuck. And Peyton took over in '98 and they went 3-13 with him. Wow- HUGE difference maker there! HAHAHAHA!! Brady took over for a 5-13 team and led them to a SB win over a team that was favored by 14-points. First year as a starter: Brady>Manning. Eat shit, fag.
777zippy777 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 Brady inherited a winning team?? Really? Check this out, douchebag:
The Colts were 7-18 in their last 25 games before Manning's first start.
The Patriots were 7-18 in their last 25 games before Brady's first start.
Now which QB inherited a winning team again?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! OWNED, BITCH!!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D
777zippy777 3 weeks ago
@777zippy777 How old are you? All Caps really?
Grow Up...
Greendude33 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 Yeah, fuckhead, really. ALL CAPS, bitch.
777zippy777 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 pointless dude. the nfl named manning qb of the decade in a decade where another qb won 3 rings. manning was ranked 8 all time while brady as 21. lmao. Just laugh at this pompous buffoon. do you know he's a salesman. salesman have all the time in the world to argue on youtube and make no doubt he will argue all night. Because his rage for manning runs his life.
But your right, manning is the better qb and the pats are the better team.
madientrini33 3 weeks ago
@madientrini33 And there you are, following me around on youtube like a lost puppy again. LMAO!! You crack me up, maidentrini...
777zippy777 3 weeks ago
@777zippy777 you bumptious moron. Has anyone even whispered about manning being a system qb while brady continuously gets that label? Maybe because he throws 5 yard passes to welker and branch who are underneath recievers. Brady couldn't make it work with ocho and as soon as moss lost a step the pats had to get rid of him because brady couldn't function without a prime moss..
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madientrini33 3 weeks ago
@madientrini33 bumptious? LOL!! Have you been reading your thesaurus again, maidentrini?? You silly, silly young man. Hey, do you want me to PM you on what video I might post on next? That way, you won't have to search around for me on youtube- you'll know right where I am. I can imagine how frustrating that must be for you.
777zippy777 3 weeks ago
brady can't throw deep well for shit. He underthrew to growkownksi so bad that a white mlb caught up to it. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaah.
eli manning threw a dime to manningham didn't he. No room for error and he put it over a cb just before the safety could get there. And brady was couldn't hit welker on the numbers when he was wide open. that was because the pass was over 15 yards..
lmao
madientrini33 3 weeks ago
@madientrini33 I agree-- Eli is the most clutch QB in his family. Good for him! Now please, stop stalking me on youtube, maidentrini! It's really starting to become comical... I mean, frightening! LMAO!!
777zippy777 3 weeks ago
@madientrini33 right, he throws those passes cuz he doesnt have a deep threat. lets see who manning has had: a prime marvin harrison for his entire career, reggie wayne, brandon stokely, dallas clark. brady had moss in the tailing YEAR of his prime. and a 5'9 white receiver who runs a 4.6 40. give brady mannings weapons and brady will break even more of mannings records :)
hestermanfan 3 weeks ago
@hestermanfan Harrison is all Manning has ever had... The rest are nothing without Peyton... Get your Madden rankings out of here. Give Peyton Randy Moss, Welker or Gronk and he'd shred anything Brady has done.... Get out of here with that arguement... Give Peyton Brady's defenses from 01-04 and see what happens
Greendude33 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 and a guy named reggie wayne. and an amazing slot receiver named brandon stokely. and one of the best tight ends named dallas clark. lets see brady had the actual randy moss for 1 season? and they went 18-0 and brady broke mannings records? right. and lets see welker before brady. and gronk is a beast, whats your point? id take marvin harrison reggie wayne and clark over moss welker and gronk ANYDAY and moss and gronk never played together. colts had amazing defenses look it up
hestermanfan 3 weeks ago
@hestermanfan What has Stokely done outside of Indy nothing... What Wayne do this season? Nothing. Dallas Clark doesnt even come close to Gronk and Randy Moss in his prime had far more talent than Harrison. Brady has always had better weapons over the course of his career and he only beat Peyton by 1 TD pass in 07 big whoop it's not like he blew him away. No the Colts never had Patrtio quality Defenses they have always been near last place in points allowed and takeaways.
Greendude33 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/kerry_byrne/12/21/tom-brady-peyton-manning/index.html
hestermanfan 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 what did welker do outside ne? wayne had painter, dont be dumb. clark in his prime was amazing, brady had gronk for 1 season really. brady never had moss in his prime, he had him at 30 and for 1 season, then missed ALL OF 08! manning had harrison who kills moss in all stats for his entire career. no 1 will argue that manning had worse weapons than brady, thats the all time dumbest argument. any sportswriter will tell u that brady did everything w nothing
hestermanfan 3 weeks ago
@hestermanfan No one on earth will call Stokley better than Welker....Clark is no Gronk not even close Peyton made Clark. Harrison just beats him in stats but everyone knows Moss was un converable in his prime long before Megatron Randy Moss was "Mossing" shutdown CB's like they were nothing.
Brady did everything with nothing LMAO.... HOF Coach,HOF Kicker, HOF defenders, HOF WR, get real the Pats are better than the Colts in everything but QB.
Greendude33 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 stokely could at least go deep. dallas for entire career, gronk for 1 year. harrison for entire career, old moss for 1 year. lets see belichick had a losing record before brady took over (you dumbass), vinatieri played for the colts if i recall correctly, bob sanders, dwight freeney, robert mathis (you dumbass again), hof receivers marvin harrison and reggie wayne. what hof receivers do the pats have? moss? for 1 year? when he was past his prime? ur actually stupid.
hestermanfan 3 weeks ago
@hestermanfan The only HOF for Indy thus far other than Peyton will be Harrison... Freeney and Mathis can only pass rush they suck compared to other NFL DE's in rush defense.
No one with professional sports resumes call Brady over Peyton not even Brady himself thinks he's better... Im done here the facts dont lie
Greendude33 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 I've already proved you wrong on at least 3 different points you attempted to make. You fucking suck at debating. Go do some actual research on this subject and then maybe I'll take you seriously.
777zippy777 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 do uk who his receivers were? david givens, david patton, troy brown. try finding them now.
hestermanfan 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 If Cassel sucks, then Painter and Orlovsky are pure dogshit. Cassel learned behind Brady & Belichick for 3 years before 2008, dipshit. He knew the offense. Then he took over on an 18-win team that had just gone to the SB. You're comparing the 2008 Pats to the 2011 Colts? Dumb. Ass.
777zippy777 3 weeks ago
@777zippy777 Brady just runs what the coaches draw up like every NFL QB other than Peyton.... Peyton is the only QB who has complete command of his offense using coaches only as support. No shit Painter or Orlovsky could not do that in Indy. That's the point of how hard Peyton's job was and how easy Brady's is... Painter or Orlosvsky could sure as hell do better than 2-14 in NE.
Greendude33 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 Yep, Peyton has complete command of his offense. I agree. He IS the offense. That's why that 9-10 postseason record falls squarely on his shoulders as well as those 7 playoff one-and-dones. Oh, and also that pick-six that he threw to lose SB 44. :D :D :D But let me guess, you give Peyton ZERO blame for that pick-six, don't you?
Gee, however did I guess THAT?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
777zippy777 3 weeks ago
@777zippy777 Brady could never carry his team to a win like Peyton has had too...Peyton has always had more weight on his shoulders than Brady... Playoff success relies on team performance and Manning is better than Brady. No one is arguing that the Colts are better than the Pats.
T. Moore only plays a support role he is a subordinate to Peyton and has no command over the calls that's all on Peyton.
Greendude33 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 2006 postseason: Manning threw 3 TDs and 7 INTs and his defense allowed just 12.7 ppg, forcing 13 turnovers and recording 8 sacks. Nice to know Manning's defense carried his ass to his only SB title.
Moore was Manning's OC from 1998 to 2008. That's no support role, idiot.
777zippy777 3 weeks ago
@777zippy777 NE has carried Tom Brady his entire career from the coaches to future HOF defenders and coaches...Not to mention the most clutch kicker ever gave him 3 rings what happened when he needed a TD against the Giants? What always happens to Brady when he needs to step up more? Brady could not carry the Colts and do what Peyton has done for them.
Greendude33 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 Oh, the same Vinatieri that scored all 15 points in the Colts 2006 playoff win over Baltimore? THAT Vinatieri? The same Vinatieri that kicked 14 FGs in the 2006 postseason? HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Shut the fuck up, clown.
777zippy777 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 Brady has 5 career 4th-quarter super bowl scoring drives. 3 of them were game-winners. How many has Peyton had? ZERO. That's called stepping up.
And what happened when Peyton was asked to step up in a SB?
"Picked off... LOOK OUT!! Gets past Manning.. and it's TRACY PORTER.. all the way... touchdown, New Orleans."
Ring any bells, asshole? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
777zippy777 3 weeks ago
@777zippy777 Brady is worthless if he's down 4+points in the last minutes... Adam Vinateri held the fate of all three SB wins...
Every NFL fan outside of Pats fans all say Peyton > Brady... Your arguements NE vs Indy... Ya Peyton lost a SB Brady has lost 2 SB's... If you wanna put all the blame on Peyton then I will blame Brady 100% for getting manhandled by NYG twice.
Greendude33 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 Manning is even more worthless if he's down 4+ points in the last minutes... he's proven that he'll just fold like a blanket and throw a pick-six every time.
PICK-SIX, asshole. PICK. SIX in the Super Bowl.
Suck on that, fag.
777zippy777 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 Fine, dickless, put all the blame on Brady for his 2 SB losses. I put all the blame on Peyton for his SB loss (PICK SIX, bitch) and I give all the credit to the Colts' defense for carrying Manning and his 3 TDs & 7 INTs in SB 41.
13 seasons.. ONE title. Yeah, that's just special.
777zippy777 3 weeks ago
@777zippy777 SB's are TEAM stats.... Terry Bradshaw with the iron curtain was 4-0 in the SB is Terry Bradshaw better than Brady?
A pick 6 is no worse than missing a wide open Welker or getting manhandled by Justin Tuck... A Loss is a Loss. Peyton is the better QB the Pats are the Better Team you get it yet?
Greendude33 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 "missing a wide-open Welker"? Uh gee, I believe the ball hit Welker in BOTH hands. Yeah, but let's blame Brady for that one... dumbfuck.
No, sorry dipshit, a pick-six with 3:22 left, down 7 on your opponents 30 is MUCH MUCH worse than anything Brady has ever done. Don't kid yourself, asswipe.
777zippy777 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 The "iron curtain"....?? Oh my god you are so fucking clueless...
777zippy777 3 weeks ago
@777zippy777 Steel Curtain you stupid fuck... I have a history paper Im working on currently either way don't deflect from the topic dumbass....
Is Terry Bradshaw better than Brady?
Greendude33 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 You're the stupid fuck, you stupid fuck. You thought it was "iron curtain"?? LMFAO!!!! You are fucking CLUELESS. CLUE. LESS. And shove that history paper up your ass, fag. I could give a shit less about that bullshit.
777zippy777 3 weeks ago
@777zippy777 I bet you could care less about an education you sure sould like you do.... Now stop deflecting.... is Terry Bradshaw better than Tom Brady? Dont give me the BS "I dont compare eras" Terrry Bradshaw is 4-0 in the SB does that make him better than Brady?
Greendude33 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 no hes not. while he has 1 more superbowl win, his stats dont hold a candle to bradys.
hestermanfan 3 weeks ago
@hestermanfan You better pray Manning doesnt come back b/c thats the only way he'd every pass Manning in any all time QB stat. All Brady can ever say to Peyton is that he had the better teams during his career.
If you cant call Terry Brashaw better than Brady then you cant call Brady bettter than Manning...
Greendude33 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 I don't compare eras, asshole.
777zippy777 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 A little stumped after that 7-18 nugget, huh, moron? LOL!! Don't even think for a second you can match wits with me on this topic. You are outmatched, outgunned and outwitted. Just give it up, run away with your tail between your legs and try and forget about me. But just know that your ass was fucking OWNED tonight by a supremely-knowledgeable NFL fan that knows his shit backwards & forwards. Fuck off and hopefully die in some sort of horrible car accident very soon.
777zippy777 3 weeks ago
@777zippy777 Boston fans have no class... Damn It's funny to see NY teams beat their asses... Die in a car accident LMAO!!!! Someone's out of arguements.... Get laid loser move out of your mom's basement.
Greendude33 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 Ahhhh.. the old "mom's basement" cliche... SO pathetic. And yet, so predictable too. When they're backed into a corner, they pull out the same old tired youtube cliche's... Bravo, dumbass!! Bravo!
777zippy777 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 PICK-SIX to lose a super bowl... 9-10 in the postseason... 7 playoff one-and-dones... 3 TDs/7 INTs in his only SB run... That's Manning's legacy. A lot of regular season success with next to nothing to show for it when it counts the most.
Truth hurts, you fucking cunt.
777zippy777 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 I just love beating the shit out of delusional Manning fanboys on youtube. You dipshits make it TOO easy.
777zippy777 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 Peyton is 9-10 in the 19 most important games of his career. That's fucking horrible, dude. And when you're the QB, and you are the entire team, that shit is on you. Truth hurts, Manning fanboy.
777zippy777 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 thats funny because cassell had his best season ever with kansas city, posting a 93 passer rating in 2010, throwing 27 tds and only 7 picks to his 21 tds and 11 picks with the patriots. cassel is a fine qb, hes just in kansas city. clearly, cassel is better than painter.
hestermanfan 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 "Peyton is superior to Brady in every QB stat"? Really, moron? Now about career passer rating? Brady 96.4, Manning 94.9. Sick of me proving you wrong yet?
777zippy777 3 weeks ago
@777zippy777 No one uses that QB rating system anymore they use QBR esp since Brady's average is skewed b/c 90% of his passes being short dump offs whereas Peyton is always throws more medium to long range passes. .... Peyton has better completion %, more TD's, more game winning drives, more passes over 20 yds. More 4th quarter comebacks, more passing yards, and he is the only QB that runs his own offense with no restrictions from the coashes.
Greendude33 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 LOL! What a shocker- you're dumb enough to buy into ESPN's retarded QBR. Here's how fucking stupid QBR is:
Earlier this year, Rodgers completed 26 of 39 passes for 396 yds, 2 TDs and 0 INTs. His "QBR" was 82.1. The same day, Tebow completed 4 of 10 passes for 79 yds and 1 TD and his QBR was 83.2.
Yeah, ESPN are a bunch of fucking idiots.
777zippy777 3 weeks ago
@777zippy777 QBR factors the QB's importance to a team winning, the old rating just uses ratios and Brady just throws 5-10 yard passes the whole game to puff up his rating... Peyton anhilates him in passes over 20 yds. Peyton takes higher risk throws but yet barely has a lower rating than Brady despite throwing more Ints b/c or more attempts and more high risk passes. The old QB raiting has no meaning the new one determines how performance is related to the win.
Greendude33 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 Yeah moron, keep trying to convince yourself of that. But according to ESPN’s QBR, in 2008, both Orlovsky (51.1 QBR) and Thigpen (50.8 QBR) contributed more to winning NFL games than Super Bowl hero Roethlisberger (46.4 QBR).
Does anyone outside the film screening rooms of ESPN really believe Pittsburgh would have won that Super Bowl with Orlovsky or Thigpen under center? Made the playoffs? Finished .500? Get a clue, idiot.
777zippy777 3 weeks ago
@Greendude33 "Peyton has 3 more MVP awards"? Wow, you really are clueless about this subject aren't you? Try Peyton has TWO more MVP awards, genius.
Damn dude, you're getting killed here...
777zippy777 3 weeks ago
@777zippy777 Oh and don't have the audacity to say Peyton was carried to anything that bullshit the Colts are the worst team in the league without him... If it wasnt for Adam Vinateri and spy cams, Brady would have 0 rings. All you have to do to beat Brady is go up by 4+ points in the 4th and he's done. He could never orchestrate a game winnning TD drive like the all time greats have all done including Manning.
Greendude33 3 weeks ago
@777zippy777 The Pats 2008 Season and the Colts 2011 season are ample proof who's more vital to their team... Any QB can succeed in the the Pats system look at Cassel's stats coming from a QB who hadn't started since HS. Bellichick can groom any QB to be good in that system Cassell would be putting up Brady numbers by now in that system, Brady is a system QB he could never run Peyton's offense in Indy. Whereas any NFL QB can succeed in NE.
Greendude33 3 weeks ago
Peyton and Brady are both top 5 all time. B
MJisKingKobesuckss 1 month ago
hahah guess i win the debate you cant answer the question with all the copy and pasting of wikipidia all someone had to say was that and you cant answer it because youknow manning is better nuff said im out holla patriots burn in hell
jessejones14 1 month ago
@777ZIPPY777 It's laughably pathetic that you follow me around on youtube, attempting to make people think you're me with your "777ZIPPY777" account, which is just one of about 10 different accounts you have. Dead giveaway besides the all caps in "zippy": I actually know how to spell.
777zippy777 1 month ago
after goin a season with only one win against a team with a winning record with a lot of luck and losing again in the superbowl people will remember brady as a good QB but he did not win 3 superbowls his team with a great defense and a good kicker and the tuck rule did that. if you swap them around cant imagine the damage manning does in that patriot team 7 superbowls probably
jessejones14 1 month ago
@jessejones14 Well, if you wanna play the "if" game, I can say "if" Welker catches that pass and "if" Tyree drops his pass, Brady has 5 SB wins. Funny how it's "luck" when Brady wins but when he loses it's just him losing. And guess which QB won a super bowl without a good defense and good kicker? None of them did. I seem to recall Peyton throwing 3 TDs & 7 INTs in his only SB-winning postseason. Good thing his good defense & good kicker bailed him out.
777zippy777 1 month ago
@777zippy777 you may think you know alot but fact is your guy "won" when he had a reliable defense for about half a decade. yeah mannings d steped up in 06 but what if he had that luxury for about 6 seasons like brady had? you just said it your self manning won because he had a good d in 06. he has that d for along time same as tom terrific this convo wouldn't even take place the the video would be called manning wins another superbowl
jessejones14 1 month ago
@jessejones14 Manning had a more-than-reliable defense FIVE different seasons between 2002 and 2009. Unless you think having a #1 scoring D ('07) and a #2 scoring D ('05) isn't considered "reliable". But feel free to just blindly buy into the myths that are out there for the sheep to embrace. Not me. I know better.
777zippy777 1 month ago
@777zippy777 i noticed it took you more time for this one as you proberly just been looking stats up. the numbers you have just said about mannings defense all happend in the regular season, in post season all his defenses bar 06 has been horrible. giving up on average sumin like 24 points per game.
jessejones14 1 month ago
@jessejones14 Oh I see, so basically when the Colts win, it's all Manning. When they lose it's all on the defense. OK, just so I know where you stand. You sound like Skip Bayless talking about Tim Tebow.
777zippy777 1 month ago
@jessejones14 But the fact that Manning posted his worst passer rating of the season FIVE times in the postseason (99, 02, 03, 04, 06) doesn't count? OK, we'll just sweep that little nugget under the rug... LOL!
777zippy777 1 month ago
@777zippy777 i cant argue with your best friend Wikipedia he hasnt been the best in post season but over the decade people would agree with me than with you face is your guy is 3-0 with great defense in superbowls 0-2 without ?
jessejones14 1 month ago
@jessejones14 Yeah, sorry I go with facts and stats to support my arguments. My bad. I guess I should just argue with myths and speculative theories and perceptions like you do? No thanks, I'll stick with stats & facts.
777zippy777 1 month ago
@jessejones14 And your guy is 1-0 with great defensive play in super bowls and 0-1 where he throws the game-losing pick-six? Sounds about right.
777zippy777 1 month ago
@777zippy777 all though busts have shown us that come draft day its not an exact science but there is a reason he went 199th over all and i think he developed as a good quarterback through the patriots and thats the biggest difference between these guy he went to a team that made him good and manning went to a team and made them good an you can thow all the sats you like but that is fact and most would agree
jessejones14 1 month ago
@jessejones14 id like to ad that when indy trades manning this year which is a good decision i think and im a indy fan we will get a first second and 3rd round picks and luck this year good start to dominating for another decade. anyway to the teams available i see him goin to san fran and having a genuine shot at the big game if that happens but we will see.
jessejones14 1 month ago
@jessejones14 Well, whatever team Manning ends up with is going to have to rebuild their entire system around him like they did in Indy. Manning has only ever played in one system: the one created by Tom Moore to take advantage of his skill set. All I can say to that team is: Have fun with all that. Because now you have a 36-year-old QB coming off 3 neck surgeries. Better have one hell of a good O-line!
777zippy777 1 month ago
@777zippy777 sure if you think that. but we will have to see his best chance is with the 9ers.
jessejones14 1 month ago
@jessejones14 Funny that Manning fans are all clamoring for Peyton to go to a team with a quality defense like the 49ers or Ravens or whomever. I know, I know, Manning needs the perfect situation of good defense and good skill players to win anything in the postseason. I understand.
I'd hate for Peyton to have to go to a team with, say, the worst total defense and worst pass defense in the NFL. Oh wait... Brady took that team to the super bowl this year! Huh... who knew? :)
777zippy777 1 month ago
@777zippy777 he beat one team all year with a winning record and another lose to eli manning to the 9-7 giants i wouldnt brag about that
jessejones14 1 month ago
@jessejones14 I would. Any QB that can drag the worst defense in the league to a SB is pretty damn good in my book. Especially when he throws for 5,235 yards and 39 TDs in the process. How many 5,000-yard seasons did Manning have again? Oh yeah, none.
777zippy777 1 month ago
@777zippy777 anyway most people would agree that manning is better than brady sept of course patriots fans. i bet you if a pole was taken on the best quarterback two colts qbs in manning and jonny U would be ahead of tom terrific.
jessejones14 1 month ago
@jessejones14 Hey that's fine if you need other people to give you your opinions. Not me. I prefer to think for myself. Although judging from what I'm hearing today, a lot of people now think Peyton isn't even the best QB in his own family. He's definitely not the most clutch QB in his own family.
777zippy777 1 month ago
@jessejones14 "the Pats made Brady good and Manning made the Colts good." THAT is fact? LMAO! That isn't fact, buddy. Not even close to fact. That's just a whimsical, biased perception based on very little, if any, substance. If you're gonna put THAT out there, then you might as well claim that this is a fact: "Manning is better than Brady because he's just better." Duh.
777zippy777 1 month ago
@jessejones14 Manning had the #1 scoring D and #2 scoring D in 2007 and 2005, respectively. And what did he do with it? One-and-done in the playoffs both seasons, including a home loss to the 6th-seeded Steelers in which afterwards he threw his O-line under the bus. Yeah, I know- real classy. Now what part of that screams "Peyton would've won 7 super bowls if only he had a good defense"? But by all means continue buying into those Manning myths.
777zippy777 1 month ago
@777zippy777 another fact for you more people would agree with me than with you. ok we lost to the steelers who were 6th seed, but the patriots lost to the 10-6 giants when they went 16-0 how much points did your boy put up i think it was 14? and you lost to the 9-7 giants yesterday who had gone through green bay and san fransisco. proberly most shocking loss of patrots history
jessejones14 1 month ago
@jessejones14 Sure, and the 2009 Colts started 14-0, then lost to the Saints who had the #20 scoring and #25 total D, where Manning floated the worst INT in NFL history to lose the game. But I guess in your world it's better to go one-and-done in the playoffs (which Manning has done 7 times) than lose in the Super Bowl. That's funny to me.
777zippy777 1 month ago
@777zippy777 you say all the fancey stats but the saints did have drew brees they had good defense which was number one in takeaways that year the most impotant stat a d can have. your guy has lost to the giants twice now and eli manning has out played you twice in superbowls that sais is all
jessejones14 1 month ago
@777zippy777 09 colts lost to the saint which started 13-0? 07 pats lose to the giants who were 0-2 in the first to games and scraped the play offs i wonder what is the worst loss?
jessejones14 1 month ago
@jessejones14 You can spin it however you want to fit your argument. The 2008 Colts, with the MVP of the NFL, lost to the 8-8 Chargers as Manning could only muster 17 points in yet another playoff one-and-done. I will agree that 18-1 was the biggest team choke ever, Brady was a big part of that even though he didn't throw an INT. But SB 44 was the single biggest QB choke ever in terms of the impact it had. That's not even debatable.
777zippy777 1 month ago
@777zippy777 i cant see how losing to a team that was 13-3 with high powered offense and number one defense in take aways is a bigger lose than a perfect patriots losing to a eli manning lead ginats are you kiding me?
jessejones14 1 month ago
@jessejones14 Like I said, SB 42: biggest team choke. SB 44: biggest QB choke. Arguing which opponent was the "lesser opponent" is just semantics.
777zippy777 1 month ago
@777zippy777 the pats defense held giants to 17 points and 50 td scoring quarterback couldnt put up more than 14 points ?
jessejones14 1 month ago
@jessejones14 Yep, just like the Colts defense held the high-scoring, #1 offense Saints to 24 points (7 under their season average) and the MVP of the NFL couldn't produce more than 17 points? Well, my bad, actually he accounted for 24 points... 7 of those were to the Saints. :D
777zippy777 1 month ago
@777zippy777 well if you compare the games brady was mvp 14points manning mvp 17 points? saints 1 offense to the giants good knows were they where? so whats your point here you just talked down brady by comparing both games
jessejones14 1 month ago