Dinosaurs will come out from underground; antichrist is a white gay man with red eyes; mark of the antichrist is a green electronic tattoo with sixes that is given when one stretches their hand to receive a new small gray world passport; ufos=demons=aliens=ascended masters=ghosts=channeled entities=dead relatives during seances; atlantis is underneath mariana trench; china will attack russia; don't worship the antichrist; don't take his mark; don't go into a ufo ship under any circumstances.
read the bible you have no clue in the book of acts the disciples met and worshiped daily so did they break the commandments. you pick and chose but you miss the whole point Jesus died on the cross for our sins yet the jews were still worshiping on saturday so why did the messiah come the mark of the beast is as it says dont change the bible you are going down a dangerous path my friend
@khamodaz And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
@rickydepths1 you my friend are lost in your own self pride of thinking you figured out something but you did not if the jews could keep the commandments we would not need salvation and if we could keep all the commandments we would not need Christ on the cross remember even if you think of another woman you have already committed adultry read the bible and do not change the gospel you sound like the self righteous pharisees did you cant see Christ because you are full of yourselves
@khamodaz I don't think its prideful to say Jesus came to set me free from the power of sin. I don't think its prideful to say, you can Overcome SIN through Jesus Christ. For it is written, "I can do ALL things through Christ who strengthens me". Do you believe and have FAITH to over come SIN. My bible says you can...the JUST shall live by FAITH. Blessed are those that do his commandments that they may have right to the tree of life.
@khamodaz I'm telling you a blessing my friend and your saying "I'm full of pride". I just shared a verse it can't get more plain than that. But I recommend watching my series Vatican New World Order for better understanding of this video. God bless.
@rickydepths1 But what about slaughtering all of the nwo soldiers. Make them suffer and dont tell me to go to hell. I know alot about assassination skills. The rebels had already set up a militra to fight the nwo. Some are lost christians and others that try to fight this army.
@ronniekyo My dear friend i would never condemn anyone. It is not my place. In regards to your statement, we should not result to the tactics of the world to overcome the world. The Most High is who we need in this dark age.
i`m not here to critise any suggestion, but to contribute to the whole issue, as the scriptures have made it known to us that we are being justified by faith in our LORD JESUS CHRIST,[GOD GRACE], not by law of which day to worship or serve GOD, Kindly pls, endeavour to go through the following scripturesGAL3:1-29,GAL2:16,GAL4:9-10,GAL5:3-6, Thank you all and God blee us all in the mighty name of our LORD JESUS CHRIST.
My friend, the ceremonial laws were added because of sin. Sin is breaking God's law as 1 John 3:4. But which law? The 10'C as Romans 7:7 show. If you stick with the ceremonial laws, you are sticking to the shadow and not the fulfilment. The 10'C have always been but was summed up in one word: Love (Romans 13:9, 10)
Instead of passover, we have communion for example.
Check out the verses I posted and tell me what you think
Look, I don't care if Saturday is the holy day or not, God doesn't care whether you worship him on Saturday or Sunday, good grief, in fact, he wouldn't mind if you worshipped him EVERY day of the week, to be honest I think all this conspiracy theory saturday/sunday stuff is blown out of proportion, not even mentioning the fact it has nothing to with the mark of the beast in revelation.
You guys believe what you want, the mark of the beast and this theory are two completely seperate things.
Triquos, the Bible tells us time and time again God does absolutely care about how we worship Him. The Bible says "But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him MUST worship him in spirit and in truth." Jhn 4:23-24. Reading Revelation ch12-14 you will see the very core of the conflict of the last battle to take place on earth is all about WORSHIP.
The controversy between Christ and Satan since the beginning has been about worship and "Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?" God gave four commandments that explicitly protect the way we are to worship Him.
The 4th commandment God gave to be a SIGN/SEAL/SYMBOL that we worship Him as the True Creator of Heavens and Earth, and the little horn has changed that sign God gave (dan 7:25). Obedience rendered to the little horn that changed God's law, is a sign/symbol/seal/mark that we acknowledge the little horn as God, having the power to change God's law.
Make no mistake, the battle is over worship, and HOW we worship is a SIGN of WHO we worship, so we must worship God in Spirit and in Truth, in accordance with the commandments He gave to protect that worship, including the Sabbath for God said "hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a SIGN between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God." Eze. 20:20
Don't delude yourself. These are not opinions but direct quotations from the words from God's mouth. Don't say nobody tried to tell you because more than one trying has just told you.
Also, in the bible it explains things like in the end days there'll be massive mushroom-like clouds (nuclear bombs) which ironically is what's happening now with Iran, and will almost certainly turn into WW3. Not to mention the bible says in the end days there will be massive/unusual disasters (hurricanes/earthquakes/tsunami's) all of which, has happened in the last 5 years: hurricane katrina, Japan earthquakes, and now, the samoa tsunami. It's all happening.
Now these are "opinions". Not once have you quoted the words of God. Just who do you think you are? You mentioned the word "bible" twice and you think your preaching the good news. You are under a most common yet quite dangerous delusion.
Bro. you are looking for biblical answers with you own mind...The answer is in the Bible what the mark of the beast is...This is not for discussion becaUSE the bible gives the answer. This is a biblical terminology thus the answer must come from the scriptures.. Lean not to your own understanding but to the one that created the world and everything that is in it is...
The microchip not being the mark of the beast - not making a wink of sense? Sorry but you must have misinterpreted the bible then.
The mark of the beast is the time in which people will one day be forced into obeying 1 government, 1 person (the antichrist), and anyone who defies them or does not take the mark of the beast (microchip) will be killed.
Taking the chip means you obey the antichrist, and ONLY the antichrist - meaning you don't follow God whatsoever.
I respect your view but this is the point we need to understand. Let the Bible explain itself. If you read through Daniel, it will make the more sense. Read the story of the three hebrew men who didn't bow down to the image. It is based on the Law of God that the issue is. It's not about microchips. I myself did a study on the Mark of the beast regarding the microship. It is the video response to this. Give it a watch and tell me what you think
very true Jonadon and also to help support your reply is, the antichrist wants spiritual recognition and to be worshipped; this means to speak and act with your body to confess that he is the lord. This is a spiritual battle, and the seal of God is a spiritual seal. The antichrist will also want to be worshipped and place his own spiritual seal upon the poeople. This is the mark of the BEAST, not mark of the vaccine. he will reveal his true colors and the worship at the 3.5 year period.
Sorry but we're going to have to agree to disagree then because I find it an insult to say the mark of the beast isn't about the microchips. If you look at technology and how fast it's growing you'll see where I'm coming from to.
The MOTB isn't just about buying and selling only with the mark, it's the fact that by doing so, means you're disobeying God and following the person who made it law (antichrist) by following the beast and his image (antichrist)
Ok we will have to agree to dis agree but please let the Bible be the teacher and not technology because the last day issue is the law of God. Commandment keepers and commandment breakers. That is the issue because when you read those without the Mark of the Beast, they:
Keep the commandments of God (love to God and man)
and the faith of Jesus (dead to self and trusting in the will of the Father)
Yes I watched the video thanks :) yes I was reading revelation today and it said it is the most misunderstood part of the bible and people interpret it differently. So we will just have to go our different ways. God bless you too!
I don't get it, you're saying the mark of the beast isn't the microchipping of the hands and foreheads, but the day in which people worship? It doesn't make sense - it's just a day in the week, it's not disobeying a commandment. Plus, god rested on the 7th day (Sunday).
No Sunday is the first day of the week thats why it is a matter of worshipping the creator of Heaven and Earth or worshiping another. The microchip will have a part to play in buying and selling but it is not the mark of the beast. Throughout the ages, satan has tried to gain worship and right down at the end of time the mark of the beast is a microchip? that makes not a wink of sense. We need to get the answer from the Bible. Hand in the Bible means action, forehead means mind.
Bro. look in the dictionary or any uncorrupted calender in the store...Saturday is the seventh day...read the Bible. Actually God called the days of the week by number. Pagans named them. SUNday Worship of the sun MOONday worship of...Thursday (Thor) Saturday (saturn) it goes on and on
Saturday IS the sabbath of the Old Covenant. Sunday is not the Sabbath, the Lord's day or any "sanctioned" sanctified holy day. There are no more holy days. Sunday is merely the day of the week that Protestants have deemed the day of corporal worship. Along with Monday and Wednesday.
No one ordained ecclesiatical body ever changed the day from Saturday to Sunday. And it is Biblically acceptable according to scripture.
But then you have a problem then because the Sabbath day is with the 10'C and if James calls it the whole Law, and if you break one you break them all as breaking them = sin, you are saying that the 10'C is the old covenant and thus we have no law to point out sin which means we dont need to ask for repentance as we are sinless, and it means satan is guilt free and Christ didn't have to die for us.
Heb 4 says there remains A REST not there remain rest but A REST.
Rev 14 says worship Him who made Heaven Earth and Sea pointing to the creator God from the Sabbath
Is the sign of creation the old covenant? No, it points us to our creator.
I am glad you admit it is protestants that deemed the day and not God because that it what I am saying. It came from the pagans with the same excuse that Christ rose on that day as Constantine says in order to unite the pagans with Christians.
It's 10'C not 9'C and these 10 are what we are judged by Rev 11:19
"My brother you are saying in other words, you can praise God in whatever way you want."
The answer to this question ABSOLUTELY YES. One of the major difference between the New Covenant and the Mosaic Covenant is that in the Mosaic you approached God through sacrifices on certain days with inscense, behind a vail only once a year.
In the New Covenant, through Christ, we have personal relationship whereby we approach God from anywhere at anytime irrespective of days.
Have you not read where it says God will send strong delusion that they should believe a lie? It is because people are so content with what they do that they actually believe it to be true.
The ONLY safe guard is the word of God and Sunday worship is not in the word of God and when I mean that, I mean by upholding Sunday instead of the Sabbath which God endorsed from the start before there was no sin. To receive a strong delusion? My brother that is serious. We need to be founded on the Word
We are in time of grace NOT the LAW!!!! Get over your Sabbath!!! What did peter ask jesus.? WHat must we do to be saved ??? Didn"t read a thing On the Sabbath when he asked that...You guys need to read your bibles and quite taking your leaders for what they say and look for your self. Before you loose your soul on an other lie from the devil.
My dear grace is not an excuse to sin ,which is transgression of the law which is the ten commandment which includes the sabbath . we stress on it because the one command that God told us to remember is the one people forgets. since your under grace is it ok to break the other nine commandments. go kill someone and see if they don't put you in jail. what about lie ,and adultery and all the other you don't have a problem keeping those .only the sabbath bugs you. i wonder why.
if your speeding and the cop stop you for breaking the speed limit you beg him to forgive you. and he said i will have mercy on you i wont give you a ticket go but don't do it again. that is grace does that means you took off speeding again i think not. that's how it is with God grace yes we are save by grace but after we are save we keep his laws out of love and gratitude for his grace. we don't break his laws we uphold them.not to be save but because we are save.
when you left that police man you will drive within your speed limit and be happy he gave you grace.This world have laws and God also have his laws . the law of this country is mostly coming from the law of God they only leave out the sabbath . don't take God grace as an excuse to sin. you wouldn't take that cop grace as an excuse to took of speeding again. you need to read your bible and ask the holy spirit to show you truth . we already know truth as you will soon see.
Luke 18:18-23 A certain ruler asked him, "Good teacher, what must I do to be saved? ] "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good -- except God alone. You know the commandments: 'Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.'All these I have kept since I was a boy,he said. "You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then follow me.
Jesus told him to keep the ten commandments if he want to be save its not so much about following a bunch of rules its about trusting and loving God to the point where you will do what he commands and his commandments are not grievous they are good holy and just and they are for our own good .Adam and eve fails God test by eating the apple he told them not to touch. the 10 commandments is our test God said if you love me keep my commandments and that my dear includes the sabbath.
I'm sick and tired of SDA freaks the only thing they are talking about is sabbath... like there is nothing else to talk about. sabbath wont save you but your personal relationship with Christ and loving each other, don't make it so complicated....Jesus open their eyes please...amen
Ofcourse it is about the relationship with Christ but if all is breaking a commandment, is that still loving God when He said if you love me keep my commandments?
I understand why you think we go on about the Sabbath but we can't stop as it is part of Bible Prophecy. The world has forgotten one of the eternal laws of God.
I understand what you are saying. But also you need to come to a point that sunday churches, some who dont know the truth, keep that day because of the fact that it is a Christian sabbath. As someone who goes there, they are giving the impression to others that you follow along with what they believe so you are right that it is not a sin to go church sunday but you also have to consider the fact that it is a papal institution. It depends on the belief of the denomination
Those who have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ will not reject His Law.
"I am the LORD your God; walk in my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them; and hallow my Sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God." (Ez 20:19-20)
"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work" (Ex 20:8-10)
Imagine if most Christian denominations were continually murdering other people. But one denomination stood up and said "murder" is the against the 6th commandment, we need to stop it, repent and keep His commandments...and then someone said "I'm sick of hearing about other people always talking about how murder is wrong." The Sabbath is not "extra credit," profaning the Sabbath is sin, it is transgression of the law of God (Exo. 20:8-11) and ought not to be understood as anything else but sin.
Please watch the video and focus on the points being presented because you will realise that people are calling the Sabbath not important when it is the only one that says remember
1 John 5:3 This is the love of God. that we keep His commandments: and His commandments are not grievous." . if you love your neighbor ,you wont kill ,steal , covet him etc . if you love God you wont have any other gods before him . take his name in vain , brake his sabbath etc..Love worketh no ill to his neighbor nor to God therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.The doctrine of grace without obedience to God's law is a doctrine of disgrace.
Consider these facts: 1) the foolish man seeks salvation by his own works in keeping the law (Galatians 3:1-3). 2) The vain man thinks he does not need any good works James 2:20). 3The blessed man has his sins forgiven Psalm 1-2
There surely is no position on earth more enviable than that of the blessed man who loves God and keeps His commandments. It is the grace of God that makes it all possible - the wonderful grace of God!
It is the work of conversion and sanctification to reconcile men to God by bringing them into accord with the principles of His law. man was created in the image of God. He was in perfect harmony with the nature and the law of God: the principles of righteousness were written upon his heart. But sin alienated him from his Maker. He no longer reflected the divine image. His heart was at war with the principles of God's law. '
The carnal mind is enmity against God for it is not subject to the law of God neither indeed can be Romans 8:7 But God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that man might be reconciled to God. Through the merits of Christ he can be restored to harmony with his Maker His heart must be renewed by divine grace he must have a new life from above The first step in reconciliation to God is the conviction of sin Sin is the transgression of the law By the law is the knowledge of sin
In order to see his guilt, the sinner must test his character by God's great standard of righteousness. It is a mirror which shows the perfection of a righteous character and enables him to discern the defects in his own.The law reveals to man his sins, but it provides no remedy. While it promises life to the obedient, it declares that death is the portion of the transgressor.
The gospel of Christ alone can free him from the condemnation or the defilement of sin. He must exercise repentance toward God whose law has been transgressed and faith in Christ, his atoning sacrifice Thus he obtains 'remission of sins that are past' and becomes a partaker of the divine nature. "Is he now free to transgress God's law? Says Paul: 'Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.'
'How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?' And John declares: 'This is the love of God, that we keep His commandments: and His commandments are not grievous' (Romans 3:31; 6:2: 1 John 5:3)."
I would not want to criticize a denomination that gives you comfort. But I would like to make some observations.
You have posted 12 comments in the last 12 hours with some 2000 characters. In these posts you have mentioned Jesus Christ only a couple times, and that was obliquely. SDAs claim that the love and worship Christ, but they never talk about him. SDAs say that works will not save them, but works and obedience is their main concentration
hello ,how are you today . hope your good , anyway don't miss understand me ,we do talk about Christ and we do love him love and obedience . the commandments hangs on love and sums up everything , if you love God you wont take is name in vain . make idols .etc if you love your neighbor you will not kill them steal form them covet them etc. and we don't keep them to be saved . keeping them cannot of it self save us we keep them after we are save by faith through the blood of Christ our lord .
Good evening enchauntedeyes-I hope you are well. Please understand that I would never question anyone's salvation or their devotion to God.
However you must admit that there is an inordinate over emphasis by SDA to obedience to the sabbath. So you will understand when SDAs are accused of embracing a "works" salvation.
I would be much encouraged to the contrary if I saw more videos and comments that spoke of the sacrifice of Christ and wholly embracing atonement for your salvation.
thank you for not criticizing the denomination that gives me comfort. it make no sense to be rude to each other about what they believe, God wouldn't be please. we just have to talk our truth calmly and peacefully with respect for each other.and what they believe.and no matter what we say to each other we have to be convicted in our own mind, and i cant do that nor you . only the holy spirit. if you belong to God he will knows it .
blessing and love always In is service In is love
lol I like you , for real they do overemphasize it , but that's because it the only commandment that people have a problem with . the only one that God said to remember people always forget . but yea they do talk about it a lot . but i love the doctrine of the sda . i went to all kind of churches , but when i heard the sda doctrine it was all biblical and so i stick with them .because i have heard some doctrine way out from the bible from the other churches. my soul finds peace with sda
Hi brother Mark, regarding your comment, we can't separate obedience from the blood of Christ. It is because of violation to the 10'C why Christ actually died. Christ didn't die in separation to the 10'C but because of us breaking the 10'C.
So when we continue in willful disobedience, we are in effect saying that we don't accept His sacrifice and atonement for salvation. If one loves God, they will not do things that will put Him on the cross i.e. breaking His Law.
And I did give you countless examples such as the wife and husband. If a Husband loves a wife, He won't need to look at the Law for Him not to commit adultery, it will be part of His nature to love her that he wouldn't think of doing that act of sin.
That attitude should be for every Christian but the false version of grace has got everyone saying we don't need the law, we need Christ but yet they still continue in sin when Christ Himself says:
Actually brother Mark, this is the grace that we are talking about. The grace that the Christian world has polluted is saying that we don't need the 10'C but Christ is saying I have forgiven you, go and sin no more.
You should add the whole part of what I was saying because I did say (righteousness by faith). This is when Christ is in the individual which means we can overcome sin through Him. I don't think you understand SDA if you think we believe grace is contional
Brother Jonathan. What do you think Christ would have said to the woman had the Pharasees returned to Christ some hours later with the same woman caught in the same offense?
Why oh why do you call it my righteousness? Why do you not see that it is based on love why we keep His commandments? You are misquoting the version even out of context. Your talking about self righteousness but I have told you and all the others John 14:15.
The only reason why you think SDA look at obedience from the standpoint is because, you have already a view of us as legalistic. But we are only in love with Christ which causes us to obey. Acts 5:29 "We ought to obey God"
Brother Jonathan-Here is the crux of the difference between SDA and protestanism:
I went to Church this last Sunday. I sang praises to Christ, I prayed to God, I gave money in order to spread the Gospel. The pastor admonished us to love Christ, and invited those to come to Christ for salvation.
I call that an expression of love and devotion to Christ, my savior. SDAs call that Lawlessness and damnable disobedience.
SDAs do the same thing on Saturday and Protestants say God Bless you.
It becomes clear now because what you are doing is looking on the letter of that day.
When you keep the Sabbath, you are acknowledging that Jesus is the creator of Heaven and Earth. When you keep the Sabbath, you are in a state of reflection on who we are serving, nothing else. When you read Isa 58:13 you will see that if it is possible to be done on the Sabbath, it is possible for everyday.
The difference between SDA and protestants is we obey God rather than man. God says 7th, Man says 1st
Good morning Johathan-Is it the feeling of SDA that the prayers, praises, and devotion of those who worship on Sunday of no effect? Does God love a Sabbathkeeper more than he loves a Sundaykeeper? Are all of the efforts to evangelize sinners and preach the gospel by Protestants void? Are we leading these people into damnation?
My brother you are saying in other words, you can praise God in whatever way you want. Who said anything about God loving Sabbath keepers more? God loves people to come to the truth which is why He says if you hear my voice, accept but it is people who don't obey Him which the Bible says they don't love Him. Only people who reject truth, reject God Question:
Would you bow down to the image in Daniels time but say I will worship God this way or would you stand like the three Hebrew men?
"Would you bow down to the image in Daniels time but say I will worship God this way or would you stand like the three Hebrew men?"
That is a good question. However, the three Hebrew men were being asked to worship another god. Idolatry. I am worshiping Christ. Merely on a different day than SDAs say is the correct day.
"Only people who reject truth, reject God" So are you saying that Christians who worship God on Sunday are rejecting God?
SDA don't make the rules, we obey what has been established.
The answer to your question is In principle of breaking the law of God KNOWINGLY in upholding Sunday as the Sabbath and that goes with the rest of the 10 yes. Only when you, know you are held accountable.
I gave the example of the 3 Heb men because today we see Catholics preforming idol worship but they believe that they are doing the right thing. Should we not tell them its error?
also Jesus said he will repay us according to our works. And behold I come quickly and my reward is with me to give every man according as his work shall be.Revelation 22:12 while our works cant save us GOD still takes it into consideration. also matt 25 :43 aren't all those works . Our works cant save us . but after we are saved then our works are important . we are saved first by the blood of Christ . the holy spirit have to drive all this to your mind and give you understanding.
Good morning enchauntedeyes-You are exactly right about this. There are as many as eight judgments spoken of in the Bible that will be meeted out in the end times. Yes saved beleivers will be rewarded for their works.
It is for this reason that we should yield to the will of God, obey ALL of Christ's commandments and live a life that reflects the attributes of Christ.
These works are characterized in Col 3; mercy, meekness, kindness, humblenessm, longsuffering, charity and grace.
A man ask Jesus ,Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?..... Jesus answer if you want to be saved, keep the commandments. the man ask Which ones Jesus said,You shall not murder, You shall not commit adultery,You shall not steal,You shall not bear false false witness, Honor your father and your mother etc . clearly he was stating the 10 commandments .Mercy ,meekness ,etc that you mention all fall under the 10 commandments .
Those that you mention are called the fruit of the spirit found in Galatians 5:22 when you are meek kind etc. they are evidence that your Christlike and that your obeying his commandments.The ten commandments is like a tree and meekness goodness love, joy,peace etc are the fruits that the tree bears So the commandments show us how to live and the fruits of the spirit tells that we are living like how the commandments said Not to be saved but because we are already saved by the blood of Jesus.
i was watching a Sunday pastor this morning and he was talking about the 10 commandments how important it is to live by them society is out of control killing stealing .immoral behavior and such. then when he mention the 4th what he said was people are trampling upon Gods sabbath ,they need to rest and go to church ,but he was not talking about the 7 day he was calling Sunday the sabbath. he just adjust the 7 day sabbath and put it on Sunday . he called Sunday the sabbath . that,s amazing.
It is amazing because people still dont want to admit that they keep sunday as the Sabbath. They say Sabbath has not changed, its still the 7th day but their actions show that they keep it AS the Sabbath but they don't want to admitt it. Pray that these people not continue in breaking the Law of God
One of the ways we respect (fear) God and demonstrate our respect (give Him glory) is by living a life that is obedient to His scriptural teachings. We don't do this to earn salvation; salvation is a free gift. We do this as a loving response to a loving God.
In the four gospels of the Bible, when Christ ascended into heaven, he said "Go ye into all the world and preach the Gospel...
Which Gospel? The Gospel of Jesus Christ's redemption, his atoning act of sacrifice on the cross for the sins of mankind. A sacrifice that takes away our sins.
What gospel does the SDA preach: The "gospel" of the three angels message. A gospel that was never given to man to preach. It is to be given by angels, not by man at the wrong time to the wrong people
Brother Mark you need to understand the symbolism's in Revelation. These are not literal angels, the same way there is not a literal dragon. These are symbolic languages. Paul was referred as an angel of the Lord, and if you look what the meaning is, it is messenger. The Three angels messages separate the wheat from the tares. It is the everlasting gospel. The Three angels messages characterize three points which Christ Himself says in John 16:8 Sin, Righteousness and Judgment.
Jesus Himself is the everlasting gospel and EGW rightly says it as this. "Hanging upon the cross Christ was the gospel"
The gospel is preaching Jesus Christ and Him crucified but it doesn't stop there. Once you preach that, it is then a message to repent and turn away from sin which is to keep the Commandments. The gospel is so broad Mark. The gospel expands from the outer court (Christ death) all the way to the Most Holy (Judgment).
Keeping the 10'C is not legalism. Keeping the commandments is rest. Imagine if every single human on Earth kept the 10'C, would you complain, or would you be at peace, rest because we are in a perfect sin free environment? they are not grievous unless you enjoy sin. It is so easy to keep it when you are dead to sin.
It only becomes works when you are doing it to be righteous but being obedient to God is not legalism, it is love because you don't want to commit acts that put Him on the cross
I don't know if you are married but would you complain that your wife is not committing adultery? Does she need a law to tell her not to commit adultery? if she LOVES you, she will never do that. Thats how we are to be with God. When we look to Christ, when we see His character, we don't need a law to tell us because it becomes second nature. When that happens, the law is written on your heart because the 10'C is a manifestation of Christ character.
My dear Brother Jonathan. If you think, as most SDA do, that the only difference between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant is that the New Covenant is in our hearts instead of on tablets of stone, then you have competely misunderstood the misistry of Jesus Christ.
The New Covenant is the Love and Grace of Jesus Christ and that is death is the substitute of our sins. His righteousness is our righteousness through grace.
The NT is NOT the 10c's. Grace is not Law. The cannot coexist.
But Mark we see it clearly said. I will write my law on their hearts. Love and grace was all over the NT. Gen 3:15 grace, Deut Love and so on. We see it clearly that He says I will write my law upon their hearts. Nothing about new laws because there was nothing wrong with the old ones. He is the same yesterday today and forever
"nothing about new laws" Heb 8:8 ...saith the Lord I will make a NEW covenant v 6 Christ is the mediator of a BETTER covenant established upon BETTER promises.
"there was nothing wrong with the first"
Heb 8:13 that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish.
v12 For I will be merciful to their righteousness and their sins...I will remember no more.
This verse completely negates the Investigative Judgement. The judgement was finished on the cross
You are making my point. I am making the accusation that SDAs preach a works salvation based on the 10 commandments, and those do not embrace the sabbath truth are considered apostates and will suffer damnation.
Your answer is to further defend the SDA habbit of turning every point to a sabbath apology.
"Imagine if every single human on Earth kept the 10'C."
I would be grieved if every single person did not hold to the blood of Christ for salavation.
So what you are in effect saying is that the 10'C and the blood of Christ are distinct. Thats error.
It is because the 10'C was broken why Christ died.
I don't think you read the explanation I gave. We dont want to sin because we love Christ and don't want to commit the acts that put Him back on the cross. Accepting the blood of Christ is to turn away from sin. Just the same as accepting someone to be a wife or husband is to not see anyone else.
"So what you are in effect saying is that the 10'C and the blood of Christ are distinct."
YES! What I am saying is that Law and Grace as a vehicle of righteousnes are two countervailing, mutually exclusive soteriological doctrines that can not coexist in the same covenant.
Now lest you accuse me of antinomianism (lawlessness) 9 of the 10 commandments are intermingled amoung the more than 100 commandments given by Christ. ALL of Christ's commandments we are to obey in doing His will.
Brother Jonathan-You continue to buttress my point. You make one quote that relates the Gospel of Christ on the cross, then write a paragraph about keeping the commandments.
It seems to be impossible for you to seperate works from salvation.
I know this is crass, but I challenge you. Write one post of 500 characters of the testimony of the saving grace of Christ's blood and do not mention the 10 C's
Ok brother Mark the way you are saying it is that we thank God for dying for us but there is no change for us. Thus spiritually we are in the outer court.
So my question is we accept the blood of Christ but what happens to us spiritually? Do we continue in the sinners lifestyle?
This is the thing that is the most troublesome for me in speaking to SDA. I have heard this in the hundreds of seminars and the many books I have read.
It is drilled into you. What do you think other Christians do.
The commandments of Christ in the NT are a much higher bar than the OT
Forgive 70 x 7, Love you enemy. Col 3 put on the new man: holy, meek, merciful, longsuffering, charitable.
Good afternoon Jonathan, I am going to have to run out, so I will respond to the rest of your posts when I return.
Relegating everything in Revelation to symbolism is a dangerous propensity. These angels come from heaven. We are not from heaven. They fly we don't.
But the major problem with this interpretation is the error of SDA, that SDA somehow surmise that this is your commission. No where in this passage is it commanded that MAN convey these message.
However, the most damaging part is that SDAs convey this message INSTEAD of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Somehow SDAs can find health reform, National Sunday Laws, Sabbath reform, etc in the Three Angels Message, but can not find the Gospel of Jesus Christ. That is because this is not the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Any doctrine, regardless of its benefit that takes away from Christ's gospel, must take second place to the salvation message.
So the principle of this film is...1)Should we keep the commandments of God? The answer most emphatically is YES. That includes keeping the 7th day sabbath as a witness that we agree with Jesus being our Creator. The Church is not our creator.Thus sunday is simply a tradtion set forth by man. The true homage to God is not in just a day. Its knowing that HE is the creator and the blessing and sanctification is through our homage to his testimony of creation. Gen 2:1-3
If you can identify the beast then you can identify its mark. They have forced ppl to convert in croatia, south america, central america, canada... I remember a priest calling a child a dirty little protestant bastard. Does that sound chrislike? The bible is the evidence that proves the beast is Rome. Once you start their the research is evident in history. go to remnantofgod(dot) org and the left side there are dozens of articles about the catholic church that substantiates this film.
I have no problem believing the Catholics are trying to take over. No one will answer my question though. If I go to the same church on Saturday, that has the same pastor and same message on Sunday and worship exactly the same with the same congregation, what is the difference? Also, people in other countries who love Jesus can't always meet on Saturday-Jesus will never forsake those who believe in Him and give Him their lives.
Keeping the Sabbath day is in itself its own. The other things you have mentioned is a different thing in itself.
"Also, people in other countries who love Jesus can't always meet on Saturday-Jesus will never forsake those who believe in Him and give Him their lives."
I dont have a doubt in my mind that people love Jesus and no He will never turn away, but God knows. Those who have an opportunity to worship Him through the Sign of creation and rejects, shows their true character
These people who don't have any chance, they have the spirit to say, if i was able to, i would do it. God looks on the Heart, not on the outward.
Some people, no matter how much evidence is shown will say, I have been with this church for so many years and i dont want to change. This is a Spirit of rebellion, willfull disobedience and we know that no disobedient person will be in Heaven, that is why we must allow Christ to create in us a clean and obedient Heart just like Abel who obedied
Its best to look into History and Bible Prophecy. The bible says this Beast power thinks to change TIMES and LAWS. the Catholic church has changed idol worship and Sabbath to sunday the day of the Sun god. They even say that those who want the BIBLE to be their ONLY AUTHORITY are to keep the SABBTH Day. Now they wilfully know what they are doing but what has happened to the world? They have taken the popular day and neglected a Commandment from the Almight God.
Let me clarify if I can. Keeping the sabbath does not signify going to church. The word "Holy" means:set aside,consecrated,precious, sacred, etc. So you can go to church but we should set aside the secular and utilize this moment to not labot and rest from a 24 hour secular world. The blessing and santification is given by Christ. Those that believe in the Lord shall be saved. But we have to recall even the devils believe that God exists and tremble.
There is a principle that we must understand. We are to keep the commandments of God AND the faith of Jesus. We are to combine everything with faith for faith is the substance of things not seen the evidence in all that we believe to be dear and true. Since I know God is a just God I will believe in him with all my heart, mind and soul and share with others His will. There is a verse that says "i delight to do thy will and thy law is my delight."Psalms 119 for mor clarification.
the seal of God is spiritual. the mark of the beast is spiritual.Romans 6:16Know you not, that to whom you yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants you are to whom you obey; whether of sin to death, or of obedience to righteousness?John 8:34Jesus answered them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin. 1 John 3:4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Are you even aware that the Vatican will use Islam in the endtimes? The catholic church is dying - their churches have been turning into mosques. Your whole theology is messed up now.
Also, not everyone will have the mark - some will either worship the beast and it's image or some will have the mark(Revelation 14:9).
So worshipping a day - SUNday or SATURNday - won't help or destroy you.
How is this going to prevent you from buying or selling? Is the evil pope going to pull me over and ask if I worship on Saturday? Seriously, you choose Jesus or Satan, not Ellen White or the "soul sleeping". Jesus said when He died "IT IS FINISHED" which means sin does not win if you believe Jesus is the only way, He is GOD, and we are scum and He paid the price for that. Jesus is not an angel! He is God. Accept Him you accept God. Follow a false prophet, accept Satan. period.
Ephesians 1:13 "In whom ye also [trusted], after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were SEALED with that holy Spirit of promise"
Thank you, some girl ripped me apart for telling her that her religion was not of God. She said I was angry. Well I get angry when people preach lies and lead other people to death by scaring them.
In several countries such as France and Croatia they are starting to ban ppl from recreation and shopping on Sundays. There are several other factors that play a role. Such as National ID cards slated to be established in DEC 2009 in America and The RCC is currently promoting a catholic identity card!
So if I go to MY church on Saturday instead of Sunday-yes we have both-then I am saved? Really also if you can't buy or sell without this mark-how is the pope going to enforce it? Jesus doesn't like semantics, he want YOU, you can not earn your way to heaven-period. The most important commandment is not #4, it is #1. I do not believe in a false prophet-Ellen- I believe in Jesus.
Do you recall the parable that Jesus said about the wise virgins and the foolish virgins. One group searched for God diligently in the scriptures and had oil. The other group did not have oil. I believe that this represents 2 classes of ppl. One group adheres to the scripture and warns others to follow God fully. The others says "were ok we don't need any more scripture warning". Jesus says to watch and to pray. This is for all believers. God bless you! We all will be asleep but time will tell.
Amen. I agree, BUT i also belive that there will be a mark, that is going to case great and little to have t he mark otherwise they will not be able to buy or sell. I thank God though that you huys have a revelaiton of the TRUE SABBATH, that lets me know people actually read their bibles. So Praise the Lord, it was an interesting video, but the mark is going to be on the hand or forehead.
The word of God is yet still dealing with a system, not individual persons. God wants everyone to be saved, thus we have the last call to Babylon:
"And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues." Revelation 18:4
Many of God's true followers are still in Babylon, by no means excluding many in the RCC, likely most of God's true people are connected to that church, but are called to come out.
"And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration." Revelation 17:6
Millions upon millions were martyred by this system by the rack and stake and closed up in loathsome dungeons for standing up for God's truth, just like Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. Very sad they are seemingly forgotten by the counteract futurist interpretation of today, that derives from the works of this same system.
God's people of the protestant reformation, great men of God such as Martin Luther, John Wesley, John Knox all identified the Roman Catholic Church system with the blasphemous name of "the vicar of the Son of God" as its head as the antichrist system. Jesuit scholar Francisco Ribera on comission from the pope at the council of Trent made a counteract interpretation of Bible prophecy known as futurism, which only became popular about the last century.
And other doctrines put forth from Rome such as the immortality of the soul (derived from the first lie which was told in the Garden of Eden) which all culminates into:
"With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication." Revelation 17:2
Woman (Jeremiah 6:2) in the Bible meaning a church, in Revelation 17 a church-state ("kings of the earth" meaning secular authorities). Drunk from false doctrines
"Personally I believe the wound is a future deal.."
"Knowing this first, that NO prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." 2 Peter 1:20
"For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:" Isaiah 28:10
It saddens to see how Jesuit deliberate false interpretation of scripture, made manifest through futurism of today, has deceived most of the professed Christian world into rejecting truth by error...
Lets face facts here biblically, The catholic church worships idols, which is strictly against the new covenant. The teach rituals, sacraments,mary worship, creating god out of a cookie, worship of the dead, belief in ghost, purgatory, Sunday, etc. 82% percent of its doctrine is extra-biblical (tradition). A bible-believing christian would shun this apostate power and call it what it is. A PAGAN Institution hidden under the cloak of Christianity.
If know one else in Protestantism can biblically say who the beast is the only option is what is in this video. It matches up biblically and there is overwhelming evidence through history. So biblical and historical evidence make this video factual.
Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego refuses to worship image as it would break God's ten commandments. They did not act in this manner to be saved, but because they WERE saved and their actions testified of it. They would not break God's commandments even if it meant death.
"Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that KEEP the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus." Revelation 14:12
Nebuchadnezzar raised image. That image was an idol that people could see. Something they were required to bow before.
The bible also tells us that on the WING of the temple the Antichrist will set up an abomination. The antichrist will receive a wound to the head, by what appears to be a sword.
Then the false prophet will command an image to be set up of the beast that was wounded.
It sounds it will be much similiar to nebuchadnezzar, an actual image, and its set up on the temple.
Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
ANd those that don't have the mark won't be able to buy or sell in the new world order. In order for a mark to have that control it has to be a physical issue on the body.
Simply worshiping on sunday won't do it since God can be worshiped on sunday, too. The mark is identification of your allegience to the first beast.
At this point in time we can only speculate who it might be, but once he rises to full world power in the new world order, and becomes the world president....and makes people believe in peace.
Personally I believe the wound is a future deal..something that whoever is in the world at that time will see, and they'll see him recover. And it will cause all to wonder after him, and will cause the false prophet to encourage people to create an image of him and to take his mark.
I'm not saying either of them are truly the false prophet or the antichrist, only time will reveal who is.
But I can guarantee you one thing, the sabbath isn't the seal of God, and worshiping God on sunday isn't the mark of the beast..
One may end up worshiping the beast on Sunday, thus condemning himself...but that is not because he worshiped on first day of the week, the first day is a day that the Lord has made and the true God can rightly be worshiped on any of the days he made.
The man condemns himself because he worshiped the Antichrist, not because he did it on the first day of the week..its who you worship, not when you worship that will condemn you.
Worshiping the beast won't be an open thing, like simply, worshiping on Sunday to whoever you want. Satan wants recognition and blunt admission as to who you are worshiping..hence the image and the mark.
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Dinosaurs will come out from underground; antichrist is a white gay man with red eyes; mark of the antichrist is a green electronic tattoo with sixes that is given when one stretches their hand to receive a new small gray world passport; ufos=demons=aliens=ascended masters=ghosts=channeled entities=dead relatives during seances; atlantis is underneath mariana trench; china will attack russia; don't worship the antichrist; don't take his mark; don't go into a ufo ship under any circumstances.
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Isaiah 45:7 (King James Version) "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
MrTrotskysGhost 10 months ago
I see the devil when I look at Pope Benedict's eyes.
vicnetto 11 months ago 3
great video.
alexmcginness 1 year ago
read the bible you have no clue in the book of acts the disciples met and worshiped daily so did they break the commandments. you pick and chose but you miss the whole point Jesus died on the cross for our sins yet the jews were still worshiping on saturday so why did the messiah come the mark of the beast is as it says dont change the bible you are going down a dangerous path my friend
khamodaz 1 year ago
@khamodaz
My friend read the context
Jondadon2006 1 year ago
@khamodaz And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 12:17 (KJV)
rickydepths1 1 year ago
@khamodaz Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev 14:12 (KJV)
rickydepths1 1 year ago
@khamodaz
Blessed are they that DO HIS COMMANDMENTS, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:14 (KJV)
rickydepths1 1 year ago
@rickydepths1 you my friend are lost in your own self pride of thinking you figured out something but you did not if the jews could keep the commandments we would not need salvation and if we could keep all the commandments we would not need Christ on the cross remember even if you think of another woman you have already committed adultry read the bible and do not change the gospel you sound like the self righteous pharisees did you cant see Christ because you are full of yourselves
khamodaz 1 year ago
@khamodaz I don't think its prideful to say Jesus came to set me free from the power of sin. I don't think its prideful to say, you can Overcome SIN through Jesus Christ. For it is written, "I can do ALL things through Christ who strengthens me". Do you believe and have FAITH to over come SIN. My bible says you can...the JUST shall live by FAITH. Blessed are those that do his commandments that they may have right to the tree of life.
Humbly, RD1
rickydepths1 1 year ago
@khamodaz I'm telling you a blessing my friend and your saying "I'm full of pride". I just shared a verse it can't get more plain than that. But I recommend watching my series Vatican New World Order for better understanding of this video. God bless.
rickydepths1 1 year ago
@rickydepths1 But what about slaughtering all of the nwo soldiers. Make them suffer and dont tell me to go to hell. I know alot about assassination skills. The rebels had already set up a militra to fight the nwo. Some are lost christians and others that try to fight this army.
ronniekyo 1 year ago
@ronniekyo My dear friend i would never condemn anyone. It is not my place. In regards to your statement, we should not result to the tactics of the world to overcome the world. The Most High is who we need in this dark age.
rickydepths1 1 year ago
i`m not here to critise any suggestion, but to contribute to the whole issue, as the scriptures have made it known to us that we are being justified by faith in our LORD JESUS CHRIST,[GOD GRACE], not by law of which day to worship or serve GOD, Kindly pls, endeavour to go through the following scripturesGAL3:1-29,GAL2:16,GAL4:9-10,GAL5:3-6, Thank you all and God blee us all in the mighty name of our LORD JESUS CHRIST.
oyega2010oye 1 year ago
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We need to understand the context of Gal because it is not talking about the Sabbath of creation.
Also:
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
faith doesn't do away with His 10 Commandments. They're eternal.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Jondadon2006 1 year ago
@Jondadon2006 All of Yah's Laws are eternal! Not just the ten commandments. Only his methods change
Tspreder 1 year ago
@Tspreder
My friend, the ceremonial laws were added because of sin. Sin is breaking God's law as 1 John 3:4. But which law? The 10'C as Romans 7:7 show. If you stick with the ceremonial laws, you are sticking to the shadow and not the fulfilment. The 10'C have always been but was summed up in one word: Love (Romans 13:9, 10)
Instead of passover, we have communion for example.
Check out the verses I posted and tell me what you think
Jondadon2006 1 year ago
Look, I don't care if Saturday is the holy day or not, God doesn't care whether you worship him on Saturday or Sunday, good grief, in fact, he wouldn't mind if you worshipped him EVERY day of the week, to be honest I think all this conspiracy theory saturday/sunday stuff is blown out of proportion, not even mentioning the fact it has nothing to with the mark of the beast in revelation.
You guys believe what you want, the mark of the beast and this theory are two completely seperate things.
Triquos 2 years ago
Triquos, the Bible tells us time and time again God does absolutely care about how we worship Him. The Bible says "But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him MUST worship him in spirit and in truth." Jhn 4:23-24. Reading Revelation ch12-14 you will see the very core of the conflict of the last battle to take place on earth is all about WORSHIP.
RepaireroftheBreach 2 years ago 2
The controversy between Christ and Satan since the beginning has been about worship and "Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?" God gave four commandments that explicitly protect the way we are to worship Him.
RepaireroftheBreach 2 years ago 2
CONFIRMED.
sthnwatch 2 years ago
The 4th commandment God gave to be a SIGN/SEAL/SYMBOL that we worship Him as the True Creator of Heavens and Earth, and the little horn has changed that sign God gave (dan 7:25). Obedience rendered to the little horn that changed God's law, is a sign/symbol/seal/mark that we acknowledge the little horn as God, having the power to change God's law.
RepaireroftheBreach 2 years ago 2
CONFIRMED.
sthnwatch 2 years ago
Make no mistake, the battle is over worship, and HOW we worship is a SIGN of WHO we worship, so we must worship God in Spirit and in Truth, in accordance with the commandments He gave to protect that worship, including the Sabbath for God said "hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a SIGN between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God." Eze. 20:20
RepaireroftheBreach 2 years ago 2
CONFIRMED.
sthnwatch 2 years ago
And that's your opinion. I stick to mine, you stick to yours, thanks.
Triquos 2 years ago
Don't delude yourself. These are not opinions but direct quotations from the words from God's mouth. Don't say nobody tried to tell you because more than one trying has just told you.
sthnwatch 2 years ago
CONFIRMED.
sthnwatch 2 years ago
Also, in the bible it explains things like in the end days there'll be massive mushroom-like clouds (nuclear bombs) which ironically is what's happening now with Iran, and will almost certainly turn into WW3. Not to mention the bible says in the end days there will be massive/unusual disasters (hurricanes/earthquakes/tsunami's) all of which, has happened in the last 5 years: hurricane katrina, Japan earthquakes, and now, the samoa tsunami. It's all happening.
Triquos 2 years ago
Now these are "opinions". Not once have you quoted the words of God. Just who do you think you are? You mentioned the word "bible" twice and you think your preaching the good news. You are under a most common yet quite dangerous delusion.
sthnwatch 2 years ago
Get over it, it's an opinion.
Triquos 2 years ago
Bro. you are looking for biblical answers with you own mind...The answer is in the Bible what the mark of the beast is...This is not for discussion becaUSE the bible gives the answer. This is a biblical terminology thus the answer must come from the scriptures.. Lean not to your own understanding but to the one that created the world and everything that is in it is...
Brooklynn81 2 years ago 2
The microchip not being the mark of the beast - not making a wink of sense? Sorry but you must have misinterpreted the bible then.
The mark of the beast is the time in which people will one day be forced into obeying 1 government, 1 person (the antichrist), and anyone who defies them or does not take the mark of the beast (microchip) will be killed.
Taking the chip means you obey the antichrist, and ONLY the antichrist - meaning you don't follow God whatsoever.
Triquos 2 years ago
I respect your view but this is the point we need to understand. Let the Bible explain itself. If you read through Daniel, it will make the more sense. Read the story of the three hebrew men who didn't bow down to the image. It is based on the Law of God that the issue is. It's not about microchips. I myself did a study on the Mark of the beast regarding the microship. It is the video response to this. Give it a watch and tell me what you think
Jondadon2006 2 years ago
very true Jonadon and also to help support your reply is, the antichrist wants spiritual recognition and to be worshipped; this means to speak and act with your body to confess that he is the lord. This is a spiritual battle, and the seal of God is a spiritual seal. The antichrist will also want to be worshipped and place his own spiritual seal upon the poeople. This is the mark of the BEAST, not mark of the vaccine. he will reveal his true colors and the worship at the 3.5 year period.
Xmokko 2 years ago 2
CONFIRMED.
sthnwatch 2 years ago
Sorry but we're going to have to agree to disagree then because I find it an insult to say the mark of the beast isn't about the microchips. If you look at technology and how fast it's growing you'll see where I'm coming from to.
The MOTB isn't just about buying and selling only with the mark, it's the fact that by doing so, means you're disobeying God and following the person who made it law (antichrist) by following the beast and his image (antichrist)
Triquos 2 years ago
Ok we will have to agree to dis agree but please let the Bible be the teacher and not technology because the last day issue is the law of God. Commandment keepers and commandment breakers. That is the issue because when you read those without the Mark of the Beast, they:
Keep the commandments of God (love to God and man)
and the faith of Jesus (dead to self and trusting in the will of the Father)
Please watch the video if you can
God bless
Jondadon2006 2 years ago
Yes I watched the video thanks :) yes I was reading revelation today and it said it is the most misunderstood part of the bible and people interpret it differently. So we will just have to go our different ways. God bless you too!
Triquos 2 years ago
I don't get it, you're saying the mark of the beast isn't the microchipping of the hands and foreheads, but the day in which people worship? It doesn't make sense - it's just a day in the week, it's not disobeying a commandment. Plus, god rested on the 7th day (Sunday).
Triquos 2 years ago
No Sunday is the first day of the week thats why it is a matter of worshipping the creator of Heaven and Earth or worshiping another. The microchip will have a part to play in buying and selling but it is not the mark of the beast. Throughout the ages, satan has tried to gain worship and right down at the end of time the mark of the beast is a microchip? that makes not a wink of sense. We need to get the answer from the Bible. Hand in the Bible means action, forehead means mind.
Jondadon2006 2 years ago
The Bible says they *Worship* the beast. It is all about who you worship
Jondadon2006 2 years ago
Bro. look in the dictionary or any uncorrupted calender in the store...Saturday is the seventh day...read the Bible. Actually God called the days of the week by number. Pagans named them. SUNday Worship of the sun MOONday worship of...Thursday (Thor) Saturday (saturn) it goes on and on
Brooklynn81 2 years ago
God really use u to spread the truth! Nice video- again:) God bless U!!! :)
nokiachris81 2 years ago 2
"in upholding Sunday as the Sabbath"
Saturday IS the sabbath of the Old Covenant. Sunday is not the Sabbath, the Lord's day or any "sanctioned" sanctified holy day. There are no more holy days. Sunday is merely the day of the week that Protestants have deemed the day of corporal worship. Along with Monday and Wednesday.
No one ordained ecclesiatical body ever changed the day from Saturday to Sunday. And it is Biblically acceptable according to scripture.
mark9531 2 years ago
But then you have a problem then because the Sabbath day is with the 10'C and if James calls it the whole Law, and if you break one you break them all as breaking them = sin, you are saying that the 10'C is the old covenant and thus we have no law to point out sin which means we dont need to ask for repentance as we are sinless, and it means satan is guilt free and Christ didn't have to die for us.
Heb 4 says there remains A REST not there remain rest but A REST.
Jondadon2006 2 years ago
Rev 14 says worship Him who made Heaven Earth and Sea pointing to the creator God from the Sabbath
Is the sign of creation the old covenant? No, it points us to our creator.
I am glad you admit it is protestants that deemed the day and not God because that it what I am saying. It came from the pagans with the same excuse that Christ rose on that day as Constantine says in order to unite the pagans with Christians.
It's 10'C not 9'C and these 10 are what we are judged by Rev 11:19
Jondadon2006 2 years ago
"My brother you are saying in other words, you can praise God in whatever way you want."
The answer to this question ABSOLUTELY YES. One of the major difference between the New Covenant and the Mosaic Covenant is that in the Mosaic you approached God through sacrifices on certain days with inscense, behind a vail only once a year.
In the New Covenant, through Christ, we have personal relationship whereby we approach God from anywhere at anytime irrespective of days.
mark9531 2 years ago
Have you not read where it says God will send strong delusion that they should believe a lie? It is because people are so content with what they do that they actually believe it to be true.
The ONLY safe guard is the word of God and Sunday worship is not in the word of God and when I mean that, I mean by upholding Sunday instead of the Sabbath which God endorsed from the start before there was no sin. To receive a strong delusion? My brother that is serious. We need to be founded on the Word
Jondadon2006 2 years ago
We are in time of grace NOT the LAW!!!! Get over your Sabbath!!! What did peter ask jesus.? WHat must we do to be saved ??? Didn"t read a thing On the Sabbath when he asked that...You guys need to read your bibles and quite taking your leaders for what they say and look for your self. Before you loose your soul on an other lie from the devil.
mfasa187 2 years ago
My dear grace is not an excuse to sin ,which is transgression of the law which is the ten commandment which includes the sabbath . we stress on it because the one command that God told us to remember is the one people forgets. since your under grace is it ok to break the other nine commandments. go kill someone and see if they don't put you in jail. what about lie ,and adultery and all the other you don't have a problem keeping those .only the sabbath bugs you. i wonder why.
enchauntedeyes 2 years ago
if your speeding and the cop stop you for breaking the speed limit you beg him to forgive you. and he said i will have mercy on you i wont give you a ticket go but don't do it again. that is grace does that means you took off speeding again i think not. that's how it is with God grace yes we are save by grace but after we are save we keep his laws out of love and gratitude for his grace. we don't break his laws we uphold them.not to be save but because we are save.
enchauntedeyes 2 years ago
when you left that police man you will drive within your speed limit and be happy he gave you grace.This world have laws and God also have his laws . the law of this country is mostly coming from the law of God they only leave out the sabbath . don't take God grace as an excuse to sin. you wouldn't take that cop grace as an excuse to took of speeding again. you need to read your bible and ask the holy spirit to show you truth . we already know truth as you will soon see.
enchauntedeyes 2 years ago
Luke 18:18-23 A certain ruler asked him, "Good teacher, what must I do to be saved? ] "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good -- except God alone. You know the commandments: 'Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.'All these I have kept since I was a boy,he said. "You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then follow me.
enchauntedeyes 2 years ago
Jesus told him to keep the ten commandments if he want to be save its not so much about following a bunch of rules its about trusting and loving God to the point where you will do what he commands and his commandments are not grievous they are good holy and just and they are for our own good .Adam and eve fails God test by eating the apple he told them not to touch. the 10 commandments is our test God said if you love me keep my commandments and that my dear includes the sabbath.
enchauntedeyes 2 years ago
All Praise to our LORD & SAVIOR the devil is a LIAR
John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me
DeniseLoveJESUS 2 years ago
I'm sick and tired of SDA freaks the only thing they are talking about is sabbath... like there is nothing else to talk about. sabbath wont save you but your personal relationship with Christ and loving each other, don't make it so complicated....Jesus open their eyes please...amen
tonymers 2 years ago
Ofcourse it is about the relationship with Christ but if all is breaking a commandment, is that still loving God when He said if you love me keep my commandments?
I understand why you think we go on about the Sabbath but we can't stop as it is part of Bible Prophecy. The world has forgotten one of the eternal laws of God.
Jondadon2006 2 years ago
keeping the sabbath is true but nothing wrong with going to church on sunday/ it a sin not to keep the sabbath/it not a sin to go to church on sunday
wordisright 2 years ago
I understand what you are saying. But also you need to come to a point that sunday churches, some who dont know the truth, keep that day because of the fact that it is a Christian sabbath. As someone who goes there, they are giving the impression to others that you follow along with what they believe so you are right that it is not a sin to go church sunday but you also have to consider the fact that it is a papal institution. It depends on the belief of the denomination
Jondadon2006 2 years ago
Those who have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ will not reject His Law.
"I am the LORD your God; walk in my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them; and hallow my Sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God." (Ez 20:19-20)
"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work" (Ex 20:8-10)
herbs814 2 years ago
Imagine if most Christian denominations were continually murdering other people. But one denomination stood up and said "murder" is the against the 6th commandment, we need to stop it, repent and keep His commandments...and then someone said "I'm sick of hearing about other people always talking about how murder is wrong." The Sabbath is not "extra credit," profaning the Sabbath is sin, it is transgression of the law of God (Exo. 20:8-11) and ought not to be understood as anything else but sin.
RepaireroftheBreach 2 years ago 3
Repairer, Amen! Amen to everything that you have said here.
Godsweetwarriors 2 years ago
Please watch the video and focus on the points being presented because you will realise that people are calling the Sabbath not important when it is the only one that says remember
Jondadon2006 2 years ago
1 John 5:3 This is the love of God. that we keep His commandments: and His commandments are not grievous." . if you love your neighbor ,you wont kill ,steal , covet him etc . if you love God you wont have any other gods before him . take his name in vain , brake his sabbath etc..Love worketh no ill to his neighbor nor to God therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.The doctrine of grace without obedience to God's law is a doctrine of disgrace.
enchauntedeyes 2 years ago
Consider these facts: 1) the foolish man seeks salvation by his own works in keeping the law (Galatians 3:1-3). 2) The vain man thinks he does not need any good works James 2:20). 3The blessed man has his sins forgiven Psalm 1-2
There surely is no position on earth more enviable than that of the blessed man who loves God and keeps His commandments. It is the grace of God that makes it all possible - the wonderful grace of God!
enchauntedeyes 2 years ago
It is the work of conversion and sanctification to reconcile men to God by bringing them into accord with the principles of His law. man was created in the image of God. He was in perfect harmony with the nature and the law of God: the principles of righteousness were written upon his heart. But sin alienated him from his Maker. He no longer reflected the divine image. His heart was at war with the principles of God's law. '
enchauntedeyes 2 years ago
The carnal mind is enmity against God for it is not subject to the law of God neither indeed can be Romans 8:7 But God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that man might be reconciled to God. Through the merits of Christ he can be restored to harmony with his Maker His heart must be renewed by divine grace he must have a new life from above The first step in reconciliation to God is the conviction of sin Sin is the transgression of the law By the law is the knowledge of sin
enchauntedeyes 2 years ago
In order to see his guilt, the sinner must test his character by God's great standard of righteousness. It is a mirror which shows the perfection of a righteous character and enables him to discern the defects in his own.The law reveals to man his sins, but it provides no remedy. While it promises life to the obedient, it declares that death is the portion of the transgressor.
enchauntedeyes 2 years ago
The gospel of Christ alone can free him from the condemnation or the defilement of sin. He must exercise repentance toward God whose law has been transgressed and faith in Christ, his atoning sacrifice Thus he obtains 'remission of sins that are past' and becomes a partaker of the divine nature. "Is he now free to transgress God's law? Says Paul: 'Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.'
enchauntedeyes 2 years ago
'How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?' And John declares: 'This is the love of God, that we keep His commandments: and His commandments are not grievous' (Romans 3:31; 6:2: 1 John 5:3)."
enchauntedeyes 2 years ago
Good morning enchanted. I hope you are well.
I would not want to criticize a denomination that gives you comfort. But I would like to make some observations.
You have posted 12 comments in the last 12 hours with some 2000 characters. In these posts you have mentioned Jesus Christ only a couple times, and that was obliquely. SDAs claim that the love and worship Christ, but they never talk about him. SDAs say that works will not save them, but works and obedience is their main concentration
mark9531 2 years ago
Well in that case you won't understand because you have already made your mind
Jondadon2006 2 years ago
hello ,how are you today . hope your good , anyway don't miss understand me ,we do talk about Christ and we do love him love and obedience . the commandments hangs on love and sums up everything , if you love God you wont take is name in vain . make idols .etc if you love your neighbor you will not kill them steal form them covet them etc. and we don't keep them to be saved . keeping them cannot of it self save us we keep them after we are save by faith through the blood of Christ our lord .
enchauntedeyes 2 years ago
Good evening enchauntedeyes-I hope you are well. Please understand that I would never question anyone's salvation or their devotion to God.
However you must admit that there is an inordinate over emphasis by SDA to obedience to the sabbath. So you will understand when SDAs are accused of embracing a "works" salvation.
I would be much encouraged to the contrary if I saw more videos and comments that spoke of the sacrifice of Christ and wholly embracing atonement for your salvation.
GBU
mark9531 2 years ago
thank you for not criticizing the denomination that gives me comfort. it make no sense to be rude to each other about what they believe, God wouldn't be please. we just have to talk our truth calmly and peacefully with respect for each other.and what they believe.and no matter what we say to each other we have to be convicted in our own mind, and i cant do that nor you . only the holy spirit. if you belong to God he will knows it .
blessing and love always In is service In is love
enchauntedeyes 2 years ago
lol I like you , for real they do overemphasize it , but that's because it the only commandment that people have a problem with . the only one that God said to remember people always forget . but yea they do talk about it a lot . but i love the doctrine of the sda . i went to all kind of churches , but when i heard the sda doctrine it was all biblical and so i stick with them .because i have heard some doctrine way out from the bible from the other churches. my soul finds peace with sda
enchauntedeyes 2 years ago
Hi brother Mark, regarding your comment, we can't separate obedience from the blood of Christ. It is because of violation to the 10'C why Christ actually died. Christ didn't die in separation to the 10'C but because of us breaking the 10'C.
So when we continue in willful disobedience, we are in effect saying that we don't accept His sacrifice and atonement for salvation. If one loves God, they will not do things that will put Him on the cross i.e. breaking His Law.
Jondadon2006 2 years ago
And I did give you countless examples such as the wife and husband. If a Husband loves a wife, He won't need to look at the Law for Him not to commit adultery, it will be part of His nature to love her that he wouldn't think of doing that act of sin.
That attitude should be for every Christian but the false version of grace has got everyone saying we don't need the law, we need Christ but yet they still continue in sin when Christ Himself says:
"go and sin no more" (righteousness by faith)
Jondadon2006 2 years ago
Good morning Jonathan-
"go and sin no more"
I look at this passage of the woman caught in adultry and I see the love, grace and forgiveness of Christ that is unfathomable to meer man.
SDA's look at this scerinio as grace conditioned upon a promise not to reoffend.
The woman caught in adultery is an excellent example of where Christ overturned the Law and replaced it with His Grace.
It is unfortunate that SDAs cannot grasp the depth of God's Grace.
mark9531 2 years ago
Actually brother Mark, this is the grace that we are talking about. The grace that the Christian world has polluted is saying that we don't need the 10'C but Christ is saying I have forgiven you, go and sin no more.
You should add the whole part of what I was saying because I did say (righteousness by faith). This is when Christ is in the individual which means we can overcome sin through Him. I don't think you understand SDA if you think we believe grace is contional
Jondadon2006 2 years ago
"go and sin no more"
Brother Jonathan. What do you think Christ would have said to the woman had the Pharasees returned to Christ some hours later with the same woman caught in the same offense?
mark9531 2 years ago
He would say keep getting back up, have faith in me to help you overcome. I believe He would have quoted Proverbs
"For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again:" Prov 24:16
Jondadon2006 2 years ago
Brother Jonathan-You can not climb up to God's heaven on the ladder of your own righteousness.
"we can't separate obedience from the blood of Christ"
It depends upon the purpose of this obedience. If we obey as a token of our devotion to Chrust that is called love.
If we obey as a condition of our salvation or for the surity of our salvation, that is a works salvation, or legalism.
Sometimes it seems that SDAs look at obedience from the standpoint of the latter.
mark9531 2 years ago
Why oh why do you call it my righteousness? Why do you not see that it is based on love why we keep His commandments? You are misquoting the version even out of context. Your talking about self righteousness but I have told you and all the others John 14:15.
The only reason why you think SDA look at obedience from the standpoint is because, you have already a view of us as legalistic. But we are only in love with Christ which causes us to obey. Acts 5:29 "We ought to obey God"
Jondadon2006 2 years ago
Brother Jonathan-Here is the crux of the difference between SDA and protestanism:
I went to Church this last Sunday. I sang praises to Christ, I prayed to God, I gave money in order to spread the Gospel. The pastor admonished us to love Christ, and invited those to come to Christ for salvation.
I call that an expression of love and devotion to Christ, my savior. SDAs call that Lawlessness and damnable disobedience.
SDAs do the same thing on Saturday and Protestants say God Bless you.
mark9531 2 years ago
It becomes clear now because what you are doing is looking on the letter of that day.
When you keep the Sabbath, you are acknowledging that Jesus is the creator of Heaven and Earth. When you keep the Sabbath, you are in a state of reflection on who we are serving, nothing else. When you read Isa 58:13 you will see that if it is possible to be done on the Sabbath, it is possible for everyday.
The difference between SDA and protestants is we obey God rather than man. God says 7th, Man says 1st
Jondadon2006 2 years ago
Good morning Johathan-Is it the feeling of SDA that the prayers, praises, and devotion of those who worship on Sunday of no effect? Does God love a Sabbathkeeper more than he loves a Sundaykeeper? Are all of the efforts to evangelize sinners and preach the gospel by Protestants void? Are we leading these people into damnation?
mark9531 2 years ago
My brother you are saying in other words, you can praise God in whatever way you want. Who said anything about God loving Sabbath keepers more? God loves people to come to the truth which is why He says if you hear my voice, accept but it is people who don't obey Him which the Bible says they don't love Him. Only people who reject truth, reject God Question:
Would you bow down to the image in Daniels time but say I will worship God this way or would you stand like the three Hebrew men?
Jondadon2006 2 years ago
Good afternoon Jonathan,
"Would you bow down to the image in Daniels time but say I will worship God this way or would you stand like the three Hebrew men?"
That is a good question. However, the three Hebrew men were being asked to worship another god. Idolatry. I am worshiping Christ. Merely on a different day than SDAs say is the correct day.
"Only people who reject truth, reject God" So are you saying that Christians who worship God on Sunday are rejecting God?
mark9531 2 years ago
SDA don't make the rules, we obey what has been established.
The answer to your question is In principle of breaking the law of God KNOWINGLY in upholding Sunday as the Sabbath and that goes with the rest of the 10 yes. Only when you, know you are held accountable.
I gave the example of the 3 Heb men because today we see Catholics preforming idol worship but they believe that they are doing the right thing. Should we not tell them its error?
Jondadon2006 2 years ago
also Jesus said he will repay us according to our works. And behold I come quickly and my reward is with me to give every man according as his work shall be.Revelation 22:12 while our works cant save us GOD still takes it into consideration. also matt 25 :43 aren't all those works . Our works cant save us . but after we are saved then our works are important . we are saved first by the blood of Christ . the holy spirit have to drive all this to your mind and give you understanding.
enchauntedeyes 2 years ago
Good morning enchauntedeyes-You are exactly right about this. There are as many as eight judgments spoken of in the Bible that will be meeted out in the end times. Yes saved beleivers will be rewarded for their works.
It is for this reason that we should yield to the will of God, obey ALL of Christ's commandments and live a life that reflects the attributes of Christ.
These works are characterized in Col 3; mercy, meekness, kindness, humblenessm, longsuffering, charity and grace.
mark9531 2 years ago
Matthew 19:16
A man ask Jesus ,Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?..... Jesus answer if you want to be saved, keep the commandments. the man ask Which ones Jesus said,You shall not murder, You shall not commit adultery,You shall not steal,You shall not bear false false witness, Honor your father and your mother etc . clearly he was stating the 10 commandments .Mercy ,meekness ,etc that you mention all fall under the 10 commandments .
enchauntedeyes 2 years ago 2
Those that you mention are called the fruit of the spirit found in Galatians 5:22 when you are meek kind etc. they are evidence that your Christlike and that your obeying his commandments.The ten commandments is like a tree and meekness goodness love, joy,peace etc are the fruits that the tree bears So the commandments show us how to live and the fruits of the spirit tells that we are living like how the commandments said Not to be saved but because we are already saved by the blood of Jesus.
enchauntedeyes 2 years ago 2
i was watching a Sunday pastor this morning and he was talking about the 10 commandments how important it is to live by them society is out of control killing stealing .immoral behavior and such. then when he mention the 4th what he said was people are trampling upon Gods sabbath ,they need to rest and go to church ,but he was not talking about the 7 day he was calling Sunday the sabbath. he just adjust the 7 day sabbath and put it on Sunday . he called Sunday the sabbath . that,s amazing.
enchauntedeyes 2 years ago
It is amazing because people still dont want to admit that they keep sunday as the Sabbath. They say Sabbath has not changed, its still the 7th day but their actions show that they keep it AS the Sabbath but they don't want to admitt it. Pray that these people not continue in breaking the Law of God
Jondadon2006 2 years ago
One of the ways we respect (fear) God and demonstrate our respect (give Him glory) is by living a life that is obedient to His scriptural teachings. We don't do this to earn salvation; salvation is a free gift. We do this as a loving response to a loving God.
enchauntedeyes 2 years ago
In the four gospels of the Bible, when Christ ascended into heaven, he said "Go ye into all the world and preach the Gospel...
Which Gospel? The Gospel of Jesus Christ's redemption, his atoning act of sacrifice on the cross for the sins of mankind. A sacrifice that takes away our sins.
What gospel does the SDA preach: The "gospel" of the three angels message. A gospel that was never given to man to preach. It is to be given by angels, not by man at the wrong time to the wrong people
mark9531 2 years ago
Brother Mark you need to understand the symbolism's in Revelation. These are not literal angels, the same way there is not a literal dragon. These are symbolic languages. Paul was referred as an angel of the Lord, and if you look what the meaning is, it is messenger. The Three angels messages separate the wheat from the tares. It is the everlasting gospel. The Three angels messages characterize three points which Christ Himself says in John 16:8 Sin, Righteousness and Judgment.
Jondadon2006 2 years ago
Jesus Himself is the everlasting gospel and EGW rightly says it as this. "Hanging upon the cross Christ was the gospel"
The gospel is preaching Jesus Christ and Him crucified but it doesn't stop there. Once you preach that, it is then a message to repent and turn away from sin which is to keep the Commandments. The gospel is so broad Mark. The gospel expands from the outer court (Christ death) all the way to the Most Holy (Judgment).
Sin Righteousness and Judgement
Jondadon2006 2 years ago
Keeping the 10'C is not legalism. Keeping the commandments is rest. Imagine if every single human on Earth kept the 10'C, would you complain, or would you be at peace, rest because we are in a perfect sin free environment? they are not grievous unless you enjoy sin. It is so easy to keep it when you are dead to sin.
It only becomes works when you are doing it to be righteous but being obedient to God is not legalism, it is love because you don't want to commit acts that put Him on the cross
Jondadon2006 2 years ago
I don't know if you are married but would you complain that your wife is not committing adultery? Does she need a law to tell her not to commit adultery? if she LOVES you, she will never do that. Thats how we are to be with God. When we look to Christ, when we see His character, we don't need a law to tell us because it becomes second nature. When that happens, the law is written on your heart because the 10'C is a manifestation of Christ character.
Hope this helps. God bless bro
Jondadon2006 2 years ago
My dear Brother Jonathan. If you think, as most SDA do, that the only difference between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant is that the New Covenant is in our hearts instead of on tablets of stone, then you have competely misunderstood the misistry of Jesus Christ.
The New Covenant is the Love and Grace of Jesus Christ and that is death is the substitute of our sins. His righteousness is our righteousness through grace.
The NT is NOT the 10c's. Grace is not Law. The cannot coexist.
mark9531 2 years ago
But Mark we see it clearly said. I will write my law on their hearts. Love and grace was all over the NT. Gen 3:15 grace, Deut Love and so on. We see it clearly that He says I will write my law upon their hearts. Nothing about new laws because there was nothing wrong with the old ones. He is the same yesterday today and forever
Jondadon2006 2 years ago
Brother Jonathan-
"nothing about new laws" Heb 8:8 ...saith the Lord I will make a NEW covenant v 6 Christ is the mediator of a BETTER covenant established upon BETTER promises.
"there was nothing wrong with the first"
Heb 8:13 that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish.
v12 For I will be merciful to their righteousness and their sins...I will remember no more.
This verse completely negates the Investigative Judgement. The judgement was finished on the cross
mark9531 2 years ago
You are making my point. I am making the accusation that SDAs preach a works salvation based on the 10 commandments, and those do not embrace the sabbath truth are considered apostates and will suffer damnation.
Your answer is to further defend the SDA habbit of turning every point to a sabbath apology.
"Imagine if every single human on Earth kept the 10'C."
I would be grieved if every single person did not hold to the blood of Christ for salavation.
mark9531 2 years ago
So what you are in effect saying is that the 10'C and the blood of Christ are distinct. Thats error.
It is because the 10'C was broken why Christ died.
I don't think you read the explanation I gave. We dont want to sin because we love Christ and don't want to commit the acts that put Him back on the cross. Accepting the blood of Christ is to turn away from sin. Just the same as accepting someone to be a wife or husband is to not see anyone else.
Jondadon2006 2 years ago
"So what you are in effect saying is that the 10'C and the blood of Christ are distinct."
YES! What I am saying is that Law and Grace as a vehicle of righteousnes are two countervailing, mutually exclusive soteriological doctrines that can not coexist in the same covenant.
Now lest you accuse me of antinomianism (lawlessness) 9 of the 10 commandments are intermingled amoung the more than 100 commandments given by Christ. ALL of Christ's commandments we are to obey in doing His will.
mark9531 2 years ago
"Hanging upon the cross Christ was the gospel"
Brother Jonathan-You continue to buttress my point. You make one quote that relates the Gospel of Christ on the cross, then write a paragraph about keeping the commandments.
It seems to be impossible for you to seperate works from salvation.
I know this is crass, but I challenge you. Write one post of 500 characters of the testimony of the saving grace of Christ's blood and do not mention the 10 C's
400-500 characters. No less
GBU
mark9531 2 years ago
Ok brother Mark the way you are saying it is that we thank God for dying for us but there is no change for us. Thus spiritually we are in the outer court.
So my question is we accept the blood of Christ but what happens to us spiritually? Do we continue in the sinners lifestyle?
Jondadon2006 2 years ago
"Do we continue in the sinners lifestyle?"
This is the thing that is the most troublesome for me in speaking to SDA. I have heard this in the hundreds of seminars and the many books I have read.
It is drilled into you. What do you think other Christians do.
The commandments of Christ in the NT are a much higher bar than the OT
Forgive 70 x 7, Love you enemy. Col 3 put on the new man: holy, meek, merciful, longsuffering, charitable.
Put off anger, malice, fornication, idolatry.
mark9531 2 years ago
So we keep the NT commandments and not the 10'C?
Jondadon2006 2 years ago
Good afternoon Jonathan, I am going to have to run out, so I will respond to the rest of your posts when I return.
Relegating everything in Revelation to symbolism is a dangerous propensity. These angels come from heaven. We are not from heaven. They fly we don't.
But the major problem with this interpretation is the error of SDA, that SDA somehow surmise that this is your commission. No where in this passage is it commanded that MAN convey these message.
mark9531 2 years ago
However, the most damaging part is that SDAs convey this message INSTEAD of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Somehow SDAs can find health reform, National Sunday Laws, Sabbath reform, etc in the Three Angels Message, but can not find the Gospel of Jesus Christ. That is because this is not the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Any doctrine, regardless of its benefit that takes away from Christ's gospel, must take second place to the salvation message.
Where else is an angel's duty assigned to man?
mark9531 2 years ago
So the principle of this film is...1)Should we keep the commandments of God? The answer most emphatically is YES. That includes keeping the 7th day sabbath as a witness that we agree with Jesus being our Creator. The Church is not our creator.Thus sunday is simply a tradtion set forth by man. The true homage to God is not in just a day. Its knowing that HE is the creator and the blessing and sanctification is through our homage to his testimony of creation. Gen 2:1-3
rickydepths1 2 years ago 5
If you can identify the beast then you can identify its mark. They have forced ppl to convert in croatia, south america, central america, canada... I remember a priest calling a child a dirty little protestant bastard. Does that sound chrislike? The bible is the evidence that proves the beast is Rome. Once you start their the research is evident in history. go to remnantofgod(dot) org and the left side there are dozens of articles about the catholic church that substantiates this film.
rickydepths1 2 years ago 3
I have no problem believing the Catholics are trying to take over. No one will answer my question though. If I go to the same church on Saturday, that has the same pastor and same message on Sunday and worship exactly the same with the same congregation, what is the difference? Also, people in other countries who love Jesus can't always meet on Saturday-Jesus will never forsake those who believe in Him and give Him their lives.
jennysgp92 2 years ago
Keeping the Sabbath day is in itself its own. The other things you have mentioned is a different thing in itself.
"Also, people in other countries who love Jesus can't always meet on Saturday-Jesus will never forsake those who believe in Him and give Him their lives."
I dont have a doubt in my mind that people love Jesus and no He will never turn away, but God knows. Those who have an opportunity to worship Him through the Sign of creation and rejects, shows their true character
Jondadon2006 2 years ago
These people who don't have any chance, they have the spirit to say, if i was able to, i would do it. God looks on the Heart, not on the outward.
Some people, no matter how much evidence is shown will say, I have been with this church for so many years and i dont want to change. This is a Spirit of rebellion, willfull disobedience and we know that no disobedient person will be in Heaven, that is why we must allow Christ to create in us a clean and obedient Heart just like Abel who obedied
Jondadon2006 2 years ago
Its best to look into History and Bible Prophecy. The bible says this Beast power thinks to change TIMES and LAWS. the Catholic church has changed idol worship and Sabbath to sunday the day of the Sun god. They even say that those who want the BIBLE to be their ONLY AUTHORITY are to keep the SABBTH Day. Now they wilfully know what they are doing but what has happened to the world? They have taken the popular day and neglected a Commandment from the Almight God.
This is serious my friend
Jondadon2006 2 years ago
Let me clarify if I can. Keeping the sabbath does not signify going to church. The word "Holy" means:set aside,consecrated,precious, sacred, etc. So you can go to church but we should set aside the secular and utilize this moment to not labot and rest from a 24 hour secular world. The blessing and santification is given by Christ. Those that believe in the Lord shall be saved. But we have to recall even the devils believe that God exists and tremble.
rickydepths1 2 years ago 2
There is a principle that we must understand. We are to keep the commandments of God AND the faith of Jesus. We are to combine everything with faith for faith is the substance of things not seen the evidence in all that we believe to be dear and true. Since I know God is a just God I will believe in him with all my heart, mind and soul and share with others His will. There is a verse that says "i delight to do thy will and thy law is my delight."Psalms 119 for mor clarification.
rickydepths1 2 years ago 2
ps 40:8
Jondadon2006 2 years ago
beautiful vid Jondadon2006... although i somehow belive that the mark of the beast will also be a literal mark..
it matters that we watch and be ready bros and sis...
jusnormal22 2 years ago
at 9:02 did bush really say pope Benedict was God ?
KungFatty 2 years ago
thats right
Jondadon2006 2 years ago
the seal of God is spiritual. the mark of the beast is spiritual.Romans 6:16Know you not, that to whom you yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants you are to whom you obey; whether of sin to death, or of obedience to righteousness?John 8:34Jesus answered them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin. 1 John 3:4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Texasmissionary 2 years ago
Are you even aware that the Vatican will use Islam in the endtimes? The catholic church is dying - their churches have been turning into mosques. Your whole theology is messed up now.
Also, not everyone will have the mark - some will either worship the beast and it's image or some will have the mark(Revelation 14:9).
So worshipping a day - SUNday or SATURNday - won't help or destroy you.
Shalom
theheat151 2 years ago
Love it!
jennysgp92 2 years ago
How is this going to prevent you from buying or selling? Is the evil pope going to pull me over and ask if I worship on Saturday? Seriously, you choose Jesus or Satan, not Ellen White or the "soul sleeping". Jesus said when He died "IT IS FINISHED" which means sin does not win if you believe Jesus is the only way, He is GOD, and we are scum and He paid the price for that. Jesus is not an angel! He is God. Accept Him you accept God. Follow a false prophet, accept Satan. period.
jennysgp92 2 years ago 2
Amen, jennysgp92.
Ephesians 1:13 "In whom ye also [trusted], after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were SEALED with that holy Spirit of promise"
theheat151 2 years ago
Thank you, some girl ripped me apart for telling her that her religion was not of God. She said I was angry. Well I get angry when people preach lies and lead other people to death by scaring them.
jennysgp92 2 years ago 2
In several countries such as France and Croatia they are starting to ban ppl from recreation and shopping on Sundays. There are several other factors that play a role. Such as National ID cards slated to be established in DEC 2009 in America and The RCC is currently promoting a catholic identity card!
rickydepths1 2 years ago
wow important info
Jondadon2006 2 years ago
So if I go to MY church on Saturday instead of Sunday-yes we have both-then I am saved? Really also if you can't buy or sell without this mark-how is the pope going to enforce it? Jesus doesn't like semantics, he want YOU, you can not earn your way to heaven-period. The most important commandment is not #4, it is #1. I do not believe in a false prophet-Ellen- I believe in Jesus.
jennysgp92 2 years ago
Do you recall the parable that Jesus said about the wise virgins and the foolish virgins. One group searched for God diligently in the scriptures and had oil. The other group did not have oil. I believe that this represents 2 classes of ppl. One group adheres to the scripture and warns others to follow God fully. The others says "were ok we don't need any more scripture warning". Jesus says to watch and to pray. This is for all believers. God bless you! We all will be asleep but time will tell.
rickydepths1 2 years ago
Amen. I agree, BUT i also belive that there will be a mark, that is going to case great and little to have t he mark otherwise they will not be able to buy or sell. I thank God though that you huys have a revelaiton of the TRUE SABBATH, that lets me know people actually read their bibles. So Praise the Lord, it was an interesting video, but the mark is going to be on the hand or forehead.
elgn28 2 years ago
Also SUNday...What was the symblo of obamas logo....It was the sun riseing or sitting
Dawitness11 2 years ago
Looks like a moon to me since Obama is a Muslim.
theheat151 2 years ago
You know it makes since now..Why would the banks be close sunday too...they want to ast like that the important day.
Dawitness11 2 years ago
The word of God is yet still dealing with a system, not individual persons. God wants everyone to be saved, thus we have the last call to Babylon:
"And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues." Revelation 18:4
Many of God's true followers are still in Babylon, by no means excluding many in the RCC, likely most of God's true people are connected to that church, but are called to come out.
Mrand79 2 years ago 2
"And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration." Revelation 17:6
Millions upon millions were martyred by this system by the rack and stake and closed up in loathsome dungeons for standing up for God's truth, just like Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. Very sad they are seemingly forgotten by the counteract futurist interpretation of today, that derives from the works of this same system.
Mrand79 2 years ago
God's people of the protestant reformation, great men of God such as Martin Luther, John Wesley, John Knox all identified the Roman Catholic Church system with the blasphemous name of "the vicar of the Son of God" as its head as the antichrist system. Jesuit scholar Francisco Ribera on comission from the pope at the council of Trent made a counteract interpretation of Bible prophecy known as futurism, which only became popular about the last century.
Look it up and study if you don't believe it
Mrand79 2 years ago
And other doctrines put forth from Rome such as the immortality of the soul (derived from the first lie which was told in the Garden of Eden) which all culminates into:
"With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication." Revelation 17:2
Woman (Jeremiah 6:2) in the Bible meaning a church, in Revelation 17 a church-state ("kings of the earth" meaning secular authorities). Drunk from false doctrines
Mrand79 2 years ago
"Personally I believe the wound is a future deal.."
"Knowing this first, that NO prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." 2 Peter 1:20
"For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:" Isaiah 28:10
It saddens to see how Jesuit deliberate false interpretation of scripture, made manifest through futurism of today, has deceived most of the professed Christian world into rejecting truth by error...
Mrand79 2 years ago
thank heavens they will be judged accordingly to how they have messed with things in the bible amen for that.
Utube7372009 2 years ago
AMEN!
xpsalm119x 2 years ago
Lets face facts here biblically, The catholic church worships idols, which is strictly against the new covenant. The teach rituals, sacraments,mary worship, creating god out of a cookie, worship of the dead, belief in ghost, purgatory, Sunday, etc. 82% percent of its doctrine is extra-biblical (tradition). A bible-believing christian would shun this apostate power and call it what it is. A PAGAN Institution hidden under the cloak of Christianity.
rickydepths1 2 years ago 2
AMEN!
It is sad to see many professed christians still hold onto the doctrines of this apostate system yet they claim to be separate from the RCC.
KTetteh 2 years ago
If know one else in Protestantism can biblically say who the beast is the only option is what is in this video. It matches up biblically and there is overwhelming evidence through history. So biblical and historical evidence make this video factual.
rickydepths1 2 years ago
Bible gives example:
Nebuchadnezzar raises image.
Nebuchadnezzar demands people to worship image.
Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego refuses to worship image as it would break God's ten commandments. They did not act in this manner to be saved, but because they WERE saved and their actions testified of it. They would not break God's commandments even if it meant death.
"Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that KEEP the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus." Revelation 14:12
Mrand79 2 years ago 2
Nebuchadnezzar raised image. That image was an idol that people could see. Something they were required to bow before.
The bible also tells us that on the WING of the temple the Antichrist will set up an abomination. The antichrist will receive a wound to the head, by what appears to be a sword.
Then the false prophet will command an image to be set up of the beast that was wounded.
It sounds it will be much similiar to nebuchadnezzar, an actual image, and its set up on the temple.
Myhopeisinhim 2 years ago
It's the second beast that:
Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
ANd those that don't have the mark won't be able to buy or sell in the new world order. In order for a mark to have that control it has to be a physical issue on the body.
Simply worshiping on sunday won't do it since God can be worshiped on sunday, too. The mark is identification of your allegience to the first beast.
Myhopeisinhim 2 years ago
At this point in time we can only speculate who it might be, but once he rises to full world power in the new world order, and becomes the world president....and makes people believe in peace.
Personally I believe the wound is a future deal..something that whoever is in the world at that time will see, and they'll see him recover. And it will cause all to wonder after him, and will cause the false prophet to encourage people to create an image of him and to take his mark.
This is future still
Myhopeisinhim 2 years ago
It's speculation to assume that its the pope, just like its speculation for me to think that the pope MIGHT be the false prophet.
Obama has as much of a chance of being the antichrist as the Pope. Let's see which one rises to full world power in the new world order to come;)
Myhopeisinhim 2 years ago
I'm not saying either of them are truly the false prophet or the antichrist, only time will reveal who is.
But I can guarantee you one thing, the sabbath isn't the seal of God, and worshiping God on sunday isn't the mark of the beast..
One may end up worshiping the beast on Sunday, thus condemning himself...but that is not because he worshiped on first day of the week, the first day is a day that the Lord has made and the true God can rightly be worshiped on any of the days he made.
more...
Myhopeisinhim 2 years ago
The man condemns himself because he worshiped the Antichrist, not because he did it on the first day of the week..its who you worship, not when you worship that will condemn you.
Worshiping the beast won't be an open thing, like simply, worshiping on Sunday to whoever you want. Satan wants recognition and blunt admission as to who you are worshiping..hence the image and the mark.
Trust me it won't simply be a day.
And God's seal is not a day, its the Holy Spirit!
Myhopeisinhim 2 years ago
That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the LORD:
Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits:
Get you out of the way, tu