i would answer these questions, but this would be a complete waste of time as this fool was not specific about conflicting accounts by the apostles, if you would like me to give you the answers message me and i can answer them all
Why do Athiests always come up with stuff like this? I honestly don't understand. They don't believe in God. He's no more than Santa or the Easter bunny to them. I wouldn't waste my time trying to disprove Santa or the Easter Bunny. That would be rediculous.
1: There is this thing called land bridges. There could have easily been one there. The whole country of Kuwait used to be under water, so I don't think a land bridge is too terribly out of the question.
2: The light probably came from lamps. The air... I think it could have been provided by moss.
3: God punished them because they disobeyed. Do parents not punish their children for disobeying them?
4: God wanted them to love him because they wanted to, not because they had to. I know for a fact
"Do parents not punish their children for disobeying them?"
They don't punish their grandchildren, their great grandchildren, and every single generation after that for their own kid's mistakes. Plus, parents teach their children about what's right and what's wrong, God didn't. He gave them a rule and lied about the consequence.
So GOD is the one that makes us sick and then commands us to get better. Have you ever considered that you might be worshipping an asshole? Not once? Satan didn't make us, remember that.
@alienisuntverus No. I'll explain this whole thing to you. God created Heaven and the Angels. Satan was one of them, under the name Lucifer. Satan began growing pride in his heart,
@alienisuntverus God does not use his power to destroy. When Satan rebelled, he set forth a plan to eliminate Satan, but he does not use his power to destroy.
@alienisuntverus and he rebelled. He convinced 1/3 of the angels to come to the dark side. For this, God expelled him out of Heaven. He knew that jealousy and arrogance was not a good
@alienisuntverus thing for anyone, and THAT'S why he expelled him out. Satan, of coaurse decided to get even with God, and tempted man to eat of the fruit, whitch was not meant for
@alienisuntverus man. Man them decided to do things their way, when in reality they were no where near powerful enough to take care of every situation them selves. They needed God's
@alienisuntverus help. Satan, in the mean time, inflicted man with freaks of his own creation, created to stain God's name and cause harm to creation, like sickness. God did not
@alienisuntverus invent sickness or this other stuff in the world that causes harm, nor does he ever use it. Satan invented it and he uses it, as evidenced in Job. However, he takes
@alienisuntverus bad things and turns it around for better. Like for instance, he used Joseph's hardships to save not only Israel, but also Canaan, Egypt, and any other countries that
@alienisuntverus I do not need to prove it. I remember saying that there will not be proof, and the fact you need proof prooves you have been decieved.
@alienisuntverus Don't retaliate to me saying "No that's not" because as Yoda has said "The dark side clouds everything, impossible it is to see". For you it is.
Ten very good questions, sadly you'll not get one good answer, but possibly the "god can do anything" approach, or the "you have to have faith" one, I prefer my reality to be defined by proof and reason, not fairy tales, thanks for posting the video, i may have to remember those questions for the next time they come knocking on my door, cheers!
@COEXISTential Well, this wasn't really about covering each question in detail. And the thing is that doing vids where I don't really slam dunk, I get TONS of Christians thinking oh, I can take this guy. HAHAHAH on my ETET series? not so much. :)
@COEXISTential I noticed. heheh that was an older one where I didn't much bother to make it all fancy look-wise. I just wanted to get the pts out in a clear way. I think I accomplished that. still want to address more "exceptions".
3. Because God said, "This is the tree that bears fruit which you are not to eat." And they disobeyed him.
4. He didn't prevent it because we have free will. Why didn't God prevent the Holocaust? The Jewish exile? Because we have free will, and he's either punishing us or toughening us up. It's all for a better future.
5. Either way could've happened. Why do you care?
6. Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, Johanna, and Salome.
2. Easy, I can open my window when its raining so could Noah that's why its there..
3. He never said it was wrong he said they would die they understood that.
4. Freewill isn't freewill if God prevents it.
5,6,8,9,10 inconsistencies in the gospels indicate the apostles didn't conspire. Keep in mind this account is written depending on which woman is speaking to the apostle writing the gospel.
Awww come on, these questions are pretty easy to answer. The answer is eather "God made it happen." or "Don´t ask me cause god walks in mysterious ways." - actually these two will answer all questions you may bring up. No need for thinking thanks to a good doctrine.
We don't really know. Minor details like that are not very important. They are certain differences in the gospels, because they were written by different people and they may have had different sources, which weren't identical.
we are free to believe that the creation story was completely literal, or that it was symbolic, because in fact we don't really know for sure if it was completely literal or not. Also, who told that paul believed that? He may have, but I never heard it before. These questions are easy to answer.
@Lucky10279 Oh Lucky... did you just say that some parts of Holy Book were written by mere men and are therefore not the work of this allmighty, allknowing being? So the bible is not the word of god and mistaken in many places? And if some parts were written by man and we can´t tell apart which they are - we must assume everything is just written by man and therefore not without flaw. And thats how the whole bible-thing crashes and you can put it to the only use left... heat the oven.
@cstotmeister No, the bible was written by both God and men. God let the men know what he wanted them to write. But God worked with them and there flaws. The bible is the word of God.
Adam and Eve DID know right from wrong. And anything is possible with God. If it is true that it would be air tight than I would say it was a miracle.
I definitely just answered 9 out of 10 of these questions without even having to open up my Bible. I am willing to bet that I could answer the other one with a couple of minutes in my Bible. This guy obviously needs to read more if he is going to try to discredit Christianity and the Word of God.
@marthy3456 easy. He thought his first covenant would work out and he saw it was bullshit so he tried again with a NEW covenant and that seemed to go over better but still needed some work but he sort of dropped the ball and let his chosen apostles and such take over and well, it just became a huge mess. :)
hahah I like the faces you give. And reading the comments on your videos has revealed that about 99% of Christians on YouTube are still sucking the spiritual "tit" of immaturity and have yet to start eating "solid food". :)
@perichoresis7 well, I think it's a broad spectrum from inerrant word of GAWD to atheism. I happen to be on the one side, and lots of these commenters happen to be on the total opposite. You fall somewhere between middle and me. :) We all have some place at this time and perhaps in another 10 years I'll be in the same spot or maybe not? time will tell. But I think there is a tilt where gravity draws all from the left (fundy) to the right (atheist). once down a notch.. can't
@perichoresis7 in general, that's true. but don't you know there are some who do NOT change? some fat, lazy, bum who does the same thing every day w/o the slightest inclination to learn or do something new? I think there are those like that. I even feel it in myself but I just enjoy doing stuff that requires me to think a bit. But here is my true belief - if someone wants to live their life like XYZ, that's fine by me. Cuz it works both ways. :)
@TruthSurge Truth. That's a good way to look at it. But I don't know about "works both ways". hahaha The one "works" while the other successfully continues to exist. haha I guess it depends on how you define "works" though. But hey, people act in ways that make sense to them, and that's also fine by me. :)
@perichoresis7 works means I grant people their liberty and they grant mine. Now, DO they? many times ONLY because they know they'd get locked up otherwise. Just look at Prop 8, man. They know they cannot kill people who are gay (like the "perfect" law of God commands) so they try to force it through ANOTHER law. 300 years ago, they could kill and get away with it if they were careful. Just look at lynchings of blacks, etc. Irony is, the people killing think they r right.
I think the questions are irrelavent and answered in the text they are taken from except #1 Austarailia...lol I am sorry you were hurt and molested very sad!
@TruthSurge I agree with the other guy. Most of these questions are irrelivent to the actual religion. As for the Australia question, the answer is Pangaea. Christianity doesn't deny the existence of this super continent. Christianity probably doesn't event deny evolution. All the bible says is that it took God 6 days to create the world and the universe, It doesn't say how long those days are or even if all organisms came from a single source. The only one "poofed" there was man.
@s0be2266 Pangaea? LMAO! So you think the continents were all connected as of a few thousand years ago? as for days, we KNOW how long a day is. one revolution of the earth. man, you need to regroup and try again.
@s0be2266 why did you remove your comment asking me to explain what a day was if Earth wasn't made yet? The AUTHORS of the story knew what a day was and knew what they were writing. When the AUTHORS say "day" they meant what "day" meant during their "day". The time it took for the sun to reach the same point in the sky the next... DAY. what we now call 24 hrs. What we also now call one rotation of earth. They are literally saying god took 6 days to create it all.
@TruthSurge correction, he did make the earth first but, it wasn't until the fourth day that he made the stars. Unless you are a complete moron, you will agree that the sun is a star.Explain what day is without the rotation around the sun.
Furthermore, who doesn't believe in Pangaea? We all know that the contenants are moving slightly each year. The land masses all align, and researchers have found same extinct species in africa and south america.
@s0be2266 who believes that Pangaea existed even 10 or 20 thousand years ago? or even several HUNDRED thousand years ago? You can't be this dumb.
You honestly think the authors of the genesis story meant something OTHER than day when they wrote day? I guess you also believe those same ancient authors meant SUN when they wrote STAR. and in general, ANY scientific error in the Bible is simply the author using figurative language. EXCEPT for the resurrection! THAT'S LITERAL!
@TruthSurge Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.
@s0be2266 Dude, the Genesis 1 creation account (and Genesis 2-3 creation account, which was a separate Hebrew tradition) does not need to be held onto in the way you're holding on to it. You're trying to nail jello to the wall. These narratives were constructed and passed on over time as a way to talk about how God created. All you need to hold onto is this: God created and there is meaning/purpose in it. Exactly HOW it was done is irrelevant, "big bang" or otherwise.
@s0be2266 hahah Are you a Christian? Of course I read them. It was just a friendly critique, not a demonstration of knowledge/opinion. All I was saying was discussions of stars, length of days, and anything else regarding Genesis 1 and 2-3 in that way is pointless. They are narratives, not historical accounts of events.
@perichoresis7 How does it not matter? It has huge social effects that can either disprove a religion or prove it's consistency. Do you not remember the huge debate between evolutionists and creationists? Everyone was basically fighting in circles with evolutionists not knowing why exactly life started and creationists not being able to say anything other then God made it. That is why the length of days is important. Everything in the bible is useful in some way, for good or bad.
@s0be2266 Well, I am a Christian and I can tell you that that is a dangerous perspective. We cannot make the Bible say things it did not intend to say. If we do, then we run into many problems (i.e. Adam/Eve created last together in Gen.1; Adam created first in Gen. 2, Eve created last). These narratives were not meant to be seen as a historical account; Moses was not sitting on a rock somewhere taking notes on God's creation. These are theological/God centered narratives.
The bible says nothing that would completely disprove the evolution theory. I don't believe man was part of that process but, The animals could have been made that way. It doesn't really matter to christians but it does to others looking into the religion.
@s0be2266 All true. The issue comes when been discussing where exactly is the "God-breathing" happening. Is it in individuals (as many creationists would seem to believe)? Or is it broader than that? Could it be that God was involved in the whole process; the community that transmitted the narratives orally, the traditions those narratives rose out of, the experiences that were involved, were these all involved in the "God-breathed" Scriptures? I would say yes.
@s0be2266 The Bible is an exceedingly complex document that holds thousands of years of traditions and experiences that have all settled down into one condensed location. If we oversimplify it, we devalue the very nature of the Bible's purpose and ultimately have a misguided view of who God is (something that has happened to most Americans as a result of 50s, 60s, and 70s, theology). But we move forward; understanding evolves and progresses, and we must evolve and progress as well.
I am sure there are way many more question they can't answer. But they always will say " We don't suppose to understand the bible, because it's a parabole that we can't understand"
@TruthSurge because you do not start with faith, if you ask Him humbly He will gladly show Himself toa willing heart! We all have put faith into much more ridiculous ideas.
@jeremy77ification You should ask Allah humbly. He will come show himself to you. If you don't ask, he won't. Your call.
You see how ridiculous this is? If there WAS a god, he'd NEED to show him or itself like any being would and WANT to do and it wouldn't be based on my belief or not. My belief would actually be contingent upon his existence FIRST then whether he/she/it is WORTHY of worship (or if the god even wants to be worshiped). Do you want to be worshiped?
@jeremy77ification Just like TruthSurge says, If it is worthy of worship, Because the bible doesn't really present us a merciful, rightful, wise nor any good adjective Gwad, And yes I have read it, In case you wonder, The more I read the more flaws I find, I read it in English, Spanish and Portuguese and believe me, nothing but bad news and mind washing for the weak there is in it.
@jeremy77ification Most if not ALL atheists start out as either Christians or some other faith,its not just the Christians that "feel" god in their hearts,ask a Muslim and he will say he feels it,ask a Buddhist and he will say they "feels"something when he mediates.That feeling you get when you prey or worship, that's not god, that's you lying to yourself,and yes ive felt it to but it is nothing.
wow gee wiz....lol... I still love Jesus! You won't figure that out with wit anymore than you can craft a solution to why you want to debunk a God that loves you!!
@jeremy77ification Do you not believe that Muhammad flew on a horse at night? or the Joseph Smith was given golden plates upon which the book of Mormon was etched in angel language?
@CanvasSkinRazorBrush yeah, i think it depends on which passage you take as the real truth. one seems to be more like 6 mo. the other goes on his age or something as I recall. either way, the story sinks. :)
@TruthSurge There is evidence all over the planet in a world wide flood from the sediment deposits. Scientists call them the geologic layers.Scientists claim the layers are from different geologic time zones that are millions of years apart but they can't explain why there have been dinosaur fossils found in upright positions that occupy more than one geological zone.That is because the layers don't represent different time zones they only represent different sediment layers.
@TruthSurge Disney world inspire happy endings and say they always happen to someone. But is that necessarily true.? We cannot confuse fiction with non-fiction.
@David325ful I'm done, bro. You totally didn't understand my point. Everything you read (and like) in the Bible, you quote as fact/history. But if it IS fiction, it never happened. It's one person SAYING it happened (if you believe it is history instead of fiction). Just like in 1000 years, maybe The Hobbit would be read as history! It's written! Why not? I'd think a short rabbit-like person exists before a guy who used to be god who thought appearing 2000 yrs ago was smrt
LOL! The questions aren't half as funny as the look on the dude's face after he asks them. Thanks for the laugh. I'll go back to reading my Bible now. ;o)
@TruthSurge Matthew 9:9 mentions Matthew aka Levi (Mark 2:14, Luke 5:27) as a Jewish tax collector (usually reproached by the people for their corruption and rich lifestyle) in capernaum galilee. A tax collector had a well proportioned education and knew different languages to it's convenience. Matthew, I reckon, was not typically estranged to hebrew.
@TruthSurge Matthew could not have mistaken Hebrew parallelism since he himself was a Jew and 2/3 of the OT is prophetic poetry concerning Jesus. Jesus could have commanded His disciples to bring Him a donkey and a colt as to test them if they knew the Scripture concerning Him. Eventually they didn't as John 12:16 proves.
@David325ful "Matthew could not have mistaken Hebrew parallelism since he himself was a Jew"
He was NOT a Jew. He could NOT read Hebrew. He had to rely on the Septuagint (the Greek version of the Hebrew OT). Where on earth do you get your misinformation?
@TruthSurge Matthew is names from outside letters as the writer of Matthew and he was a tax collector and was most likely highly trained with math and reading and writing skill. The Romans picked people who could count and write so they could record what was taxed and take in for tax. The Jews were very well educated and very astute is business. History shows that quite clearly. Remember that Luke was a doctor, Paul a Jewish scholar. The NT writers were no dummies. God's talent
Question 10, The naming convention is just different. People don't understand the finer parts of Jewish culture and confuse Friday and the Day of Preparation as something different. John says the preparation day is Friday. the passover was a whole week long and the main passover day was Saturday for the Jews. So the day before the passover and preparation day are the same day - Friday , the day Jesus died and was buried. and 3 days later rose from the dead. So here are the answers.
8 - rode one donkey, but two were brought along. Mark and Luke have a colt, John - no story Matt21 has two animals, one donkey and the fold - the colt. They prepared both and the story never says what Jesus rode. The colt works for me. 2/3 vote colt for sure. The genealogies, Matthew is Joseph's and the male side born of David, Luke 3 Mary side showing human. Simple John says the day of Preparation which is Friday just like the rest. The preparation day is the name for Friday to a Jew.
And they brought him to Jesus: and they cast their garments upon the colt, and they set Jesus thereon.11:7 And they brought the colt to Jesus, and cast their garments on him; and he sat upon him.
All the gospel list some women, See Luke 24:10 - Good list, most women that went. Different writers have a different story and list some or all of the women. No full story on what happened just parts The Anele moved the stone in Matthew 28:2 the women found the stone moved Luke24:2. Mark 16:4, John20:1. Simple and unbelievable- He said he was God, Angel do his work. The Gospel are quite clear on who moved the stone. Paul point was true either way. Adam is fallen and humans need redemption
kangaroos would have jumped, you assume no land bridge. Who said that Noah did not have vents on the top of the boat or the sides?? Adam and Even knew what God wanted them not to do, eat of the tree and by eating from the tree, they got the knowledge of good and evil- judgement. The tree was to test Adam and Eve's love of God. God never promised a rose garden.!! the stone was rolled away, it never says the women rolled it away.The women that came are different depending on the Gospel you read
@MRGV7373 "Who said that Noah did not have vents on the top of the boat or the sides??" Gen "6:16 A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it". God never told Noah to put in vents. If you assume he did then can we not also assume he told him to put in a swimming pool and jacuzzi?
@gardenweed Again, you take the text literally in that all that was done and other things did not happen. Maybe Noah added some vents as he worked since fresh air was needed, Food was gathered, water was put in skins or jars. the whole story is not written down at times in the bible. 100% of what happened is never written down in any story or historical event. Your literalism does not take into account what else happened. It never says the ark was air tight, it was water tight.
except, since it is not written in the bible, that can be *easily* refuted. since the bible was meant to be taken literally, i suppose your theory of making stuff up is out of luck. and it's just a method for apologists to make shit up about the bible that was never recorded to save face
if you're adding your own stuff in, that definitely bogs down the acclaimed 'word of god' in the bible
@infernalone666 dear 666, the bible and many of it stories that Jesus tells were never to me take literally. you must engage your brain and think. Jesus said that I am the bread of Life. Did Jesus really mean that his is a hostess twinky?? I am the light of the world. A lightbulb.??So don't be so naive! You make yourself look ignorant No where in the story of Noah is the ark said to be air tight.God and Noah made something that worked. Now read the rest of what I defended.
oh, no. it's is actually in the bible that there was a window on the ark. only thing was it was nowhere near big enough
and i'm telling you not to make shit up as you go along. if jesus says don't take it literally, then that shits on it being the 'inerrant word of god' as it has been repudiated to be. and for that matter, the bible wasn't even COMPILED until the council of nicea, so oops!
so be apologetic again and say 'well, jesus can see the future'. i'm ready
@infernalone666 isn't it almost like a huge binary tree? where you already know IF the buhleever takes branch A, then this is your answer. IF branch B, then this is your answer. Man, cuz we've already been down ALL the branches and they haven't. AND all the branches dead end eventually and when that happens, the buhleever usually yells at you "You are close minded!" and runs off.
I agree with that. the problem is that anti-christians spend their time attacking the doctrines and the faith and all that
then the christians try to argue that with more belief and dogma, just conviniently twisted so it suits their needs with shit not written in the bible or outright contradictions expecting it to fly
they're fighting with what we're attacking. who holds the upper hand?
@infernalone666 Well, they are in a bad position for sure. Trying to defend something that is really indefensible. Kind of pity that person and I used to be one!
yeah, so was i. i was once a christian - and a rather pathetic and sniveling one at that. however, in a streak of a lot of things working for me because of my own actions, i began contemplating free will and the concept of 'what makes me right and them wrong?' and found out it was all opinions
christianity holds absolutely NOTHING concrete above ANY other religion
@infernalone666 What Christian object to is the outright lies that the NT is false and not historical or that it is purely myth. The NT writings are the best attested writing that are old than 1,000 years.The Jesus story is true, valid and is historically accurate. Now after reading the NT and the claims of Jesus, a person decides to not believe them, that is the person choice.But to make the claim that the history of Jesus is Myth just shows that the person does not know history
for someone who keeps saying 'don't take the bible literally', you certainly seem to be.
don't know history? umm....let's see......I know that there were dinosaurs and cavemen instead of adam and eve. there were no actual records of hebrew slaves EVER being in egypt in exodus
the earliest gospel was mark and that was written around the year 70, 40 years after jesus supposedly died. what took him so long?
in the year 70, the romans burned jerusalem because the hebrews were being insolent. that is a good example for a catalyst needed to invent some unknown messiah character that conveniently allied with them and valued the lowly character.
and of course jeuss did not exist because there is no evidence of his existence outside of 'because the bible says so'. merely having to believe in him shows this.
@infernalone666 There are many writing that never made the bible NT. The Gospel of thomas, gospel of Peter, many early letter that discuss and show that Jesus was in time and space. They did not make the bible since book collectors did not think that these writings were very accurate, contradicted better sources.... So there is plenty of other evidence that Jesus live. How would a belief exist if they did not have some genesis? The evidence is solid.
priests and popes throughout history have USED god and jesus as excuses to slaughter the 'others' and extort their sheep for money as far as I'm concerned, if those two were real, I would have suspected more from them if they didn't like it
throughout the bible there are constant evasions in order to say they existed without having to be proven - like jesus not being in his tomb, or the rainbow meaning there will never be a flood again
@infernalone666 Yes you are right here. Pope, Priest rulers have used Christianity to kill, main, torture and rape all in the name of God. Such pitiful and hate filled use of such a great person as Jesus. Humans have a great ability to take a belief and use this valid belief to do inhuman acts. Sad but very true. Organized, Large churches can be very dangerous to ones health. They burn people to death. The rainbow is about worldwide flooding not about local floods.
the funny thing is that people, between the years 100 and 300, have forged several documents named under renown first century writers in order to rotoscope christianity into the first century (flavius joesephus, pliny the elder and tacitus to name some) to make their side hold water
accept the fact that you cast history aside for what you choose to think and push that line off on contradictors. i was once a christian like you, and now i ensure I understand HOW it's a lie
@infernalone666 I don't know enough to speculate on forgeries. How and what was forged is very difficult to discern and prove one way or the other. I have 40 years of detailed study and I can assure you that much of what God has done still mystifies me. I don't even pretend that I understand it all. I don't understand how life can come from an egg and sperm let alone how a man that is quite dead, rise to Life. I believe that Jesus lived died and rose and I love what he did.
@infernalone666 I trust what was written and believe it is good history. I don't think that Jesus would ever lie and God's Spirit will guide me to the truth. That is by faith. Something that is truly unseen. At the same time I believe that person like you can be absolutely critical of what I believe and that I should be able to give you a reasonable answer. Once I've done that, I let the chips fall where they go. Your an adult you get to make you mind up and I respect that.
i would appear that we will never see eye to eye. just make sure you sell everything you own or you'll never get into heaven. and be sure to hack off whichever body parts caused you to be bad in your life, because as jesus had said 'it's better to enter eternity maimed than sinful'. he also preached that he wouldn't accept disciples that loved their families more or equal to him
@infernalone666 No we come from different perspectives. As for taking off my right hand or eye, if I did that I could not see the beautiful world and I would still have a left hand or eye to kill with. I don't think Jesus meant this literally. I mean get at the source of the problem. The body in not the issue, it is always the mind. As to selling my goods, I am hardly rich and therefor Money is not a stumbling block to me, only the rich young ruler. The point not the literal.
1) no, because I used to be a christian as well and decided I couldn't put up with it anymore
2) the bible WAS supposed to be taken literally. the thing is that people are beginning to realize it is a random compilation of superstitions. if jesus' self-mutilation lecture was not meant to be taken literally, then what else is just random speculation? the eucharist, how to get into heaven, his resurrection, his identity?
people have literally been killed for not accepting it. there are people called apologists who make up every weird excuse under the sun in order to cover up every contradiction, inaccuracy and shortcoming the bible has. the tellings of jesus are listed only within the bible, the concepts that he stood for and the 'details' of his life were only mentioned there. the bible IS the religion of christianity
an agnostic is saying this only because of sentence 1 of this post
it's funny that you are making my case for me. by saying everything in the bible is not to be taken literally means that you are admitting the religion is a bunch of faerie-tales and farted up dialogue by geezers with plans of world domination by preying on desperate people with the promise of a 'happy' afterlife
i'll just end this on you can't just unwrite or ignore passages that don't appeal to you. a religion is not a buffet where you can choose which lines to use and you can't hide the unappealing ones because they have probably had an immense impact on the past. if one story falls apart, the rest fall with it
@infernalone666 It would be a big mistake to take "all" of what Jesus said literally. It is too bad that you were taught that. To take us the cross literally, I would have to build a wood cross and drag it around with me. Very hard to drive that way. So what does it mean? to give up being first, self righteous... You must think and decided what did Jesus mean. I don't ignore the passages, I try to get at the root of what Jesus meaning. Only I can do that for myself.
well, if I can't trust everything it says about him, then how can I trust anything else? You are, quite literally, saying 'pick the ones that sound best to listen to'.
As for carrying the cross, yes, a lot of the old testament was 'misinterpreted' to allow the concept of the crucifixion. for all the talk about prophecies, crucifixion was NEVER mentioned.
if jesus was being 'vague', then why didn't he speak a little clearer?
@infernalone666 You mistaken Literally with figures of speech and parables. You can trust what was written and then you have to study what was said in context, history, and other things Jesus said. The cross I am talking about is the NT, Roman crucifixion. The nasty death tool of the Roman culture. I know that it was not ever mentioned in the OT. Jews never used it. Romans used it many times. That is why Pilate used it. Jews stoned a person. Jesus spoke to the 12 straight
which ones are the ones where god did not speak plainly? the ones that involved death and torture and threats? are you just saying they're metaphorical in order to say 'well, that didn't happen'?
if even one story is a parable, that means ALL of them can be as well, and not just the ones the invoker doesn't like. as far as i'm concerned, if god and his inherent word won't speak plainly to me, i don't want a god who will song and dance. so it looks like god CAN confuse
@infernalone666 God/evolution gave us a brain so we can think. I don't even begin to understand why Jesus taught the way he did. I try to understand. I think Jesus wanted to make sure that only people who truly wanted to know what Jesus meant found out the truth. If you came to Jesus with a "trapping" question, insincere questions, only to "get" some food.... Jesus would discern that the questioner was falsely motivated and not give answers or perplexing answers.
you're not even addressing anything I said. if half the stuff in the bible is 'not literal' or encryptic or not meant to be taken seriously, then that means the bible, as a whole, is dishonest. since it has been claimed several times the bible was god's word, then that means his word is worthless
the trapping question for jesus is this 'if your daddy is all-powerful and can forgive in the blink of an eye, why are you here?' there actually is no point to jesus' existence
@infernalone666 Many things that Jesus said where true spoken by Jesus and they were not meant to be taken literally. Jesus did speak in parables and figure of speech. Jesus and God are all powerful. Jesus had to literally die so the real sin could be forgiven. That is what has been reveal to humanity by God. Could God have done something different, yes, but this is what has show to us.
@infernalone666 God's message and truths are in the bible - the writings of many people that God enlightened with God's messages. In the NT, Jesus used stories, word plays, parables to teach his followers and listeners. Like, I am the light of the world. Jesus is not a light bulb, and Jesus is saying that his teachings will shed understanding to humans. Jesus told us to cut off our right hand if we sin. That is not literal since we would have our left hand still for sin.
@infernalone666 Now teaching in figures of speech is not dishonest but it will make the listener to think about what is said.For people who don't want to really "listen" the stories, figures of speech will be meaningless since they take work to understand and digging to get at the truth. God could have been more direct and again, I don't know why God did this. I guess that God wanted people to trust what he says by Faith. If God just hit us over the head would we have free will?
@MRGV7373 "No where in the story of Noah is the ark said to be air tight.God and Noah made something that worked."
Genesis 6:14 "Build a large boat from cypress wood and waterproof it with tar, inside and out. Then construct decks and stalls throughout its interior."
Or if you prefer the KJV, "Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch."
watertight = no air circulating because it'd let in water.
@MRGV7373 "It never says the ark was air tight, it was water tight".
No what it doesn't say is "add vents".
You are making it up without any text to support your argument. he could very well have built a swimming pool and a jacuzzi. After all 100% of what happened wasn't written down. What WAS written down was the specific instructions to add one window and one door.
Finally! An atheist that can make me laugh! God gave you a great sense of humor. ;)
davebussard 18 hours ago
Awesome.
SuperMrAtheist 21 hours ago
i would answer these questions, but this would be a complete waste of time as this fool was not specific about conflicting accounts by the apostles, if you would like me to give you the answers message me and i can answer them all
ikwhereyoulive00 1 day ago
Why do Athiests always come up with stuff like this? I honestly don't understand. They don't believe in God. He's no more than Santa or the Easter bunny to them. I wouldn't waste my time trying to disprove Santa or the Easter Bunny. That would be rediculous.
scottbob103 1 day ago
FFS, HAD to stop after question 2.
5tuff4u 2 days ago
you're a cool guy. I've just GOT to ask my pastor these questions... and see if he hesitates! He probably will! You're amazing, TruthSurge!
OuterspaceTitanium 4 days ago
WOW! The guy in the video looks kinda old to be in second grade.
Loved the question about the ark being airtight.
Duh,,, IT WAS AN ARK ,,,,NOT A SUBMARINE!
And the only thing more pathetic than his lame questions was his little queer looks after each question.
ekajeht 5 days ago
that love is nicer when it is vonutarily given.
5: That was pathetic. Probably the latter.
6: So was that one! Come on! It was two, Mary, mother of Jesus, and Mary Magdaline.
7: Cense when do we believe that was allegory? I know of no christian that belives that it was allegory.
8: I was always taught he rode in on one... but my bible does not have Matthew saying that he rode on two.
9: Jacob... his name was Jacob.
10: I was always taught the day after.
MalachiCo0 5 days ago
1: There is this thing called land bridges. There could have easily been one there. The whole country of Kuwait used to be under water, so I don't think a land bridge is too terribly out of the question.
2: The light probably came from lamps. The air... I think it could have been provided by moss.
3: God punished them because they disobeyed. Do parents not punish their children for disobeying them?
4: God wanted them to love him because they wanted to, not because they had to. I know for a fact
MalachiCo0 5 days ago
@MalachiCo0
"Do parents not punish their children for disobeying them?"
They don't punish their grandchildren, their great grandchildren, and every single generation after that for their own kid's mistakes. Plus, parents teach their children about what's right and what's wrong, God didn't. He gave them a rule and lied about the consequence.
alienisuntverus 5 days ago
@alienisuntverus Yes, but we are all his children. Not only that, we all do the same thing, if not worse, like their son, Cain, did.
MalachiCo0 3 days ago
@MalachiCo0
" but we are all his children" No.
"we all do the same thing" You mean eating fruit? If you want to belittle yourself, go ahead. Don't drag the rest of the human species with you.
alienisuntverus 3 days ago
@alienisuntverus Yes, it clearly says in the bible that he forms us in the womb.
Disobeying. Falling for Satan's lie, and pride. We ALL do it every once in a while.
MalachiCo0 3 days ago
@MalachiCo0
So GOD is the one that makes us sick and then commands us to get better. Have you ever considered that you might be worshipping an asshole? Not once? Satan didn't make us, remember that.
alienisuntverus 3 days ago
@alienisuntverus No. I'll explain this whole thing to you. God created Heaven and the Angels. Satan was one of them, under the name Lucifer. Satan began growing pride in his heart,
MalachiCo0 3 days ago
@MalachiCo0
"God created"
I think I found your problem there. I guess your non-all knowing and non-all powerful God couldn't see what was going to happen or stop it.
alienisuntverus 3 days ago
@alienisuntverus God does not use his power to destroy. When Satan rebelled, he set forth a plan to eliminate Satan, but he does not use his power to destroy.
MalachiCo0 3 days ago
@alienisuntverus and he rebelled. He convinced 1/3 of the angels to come to the dark side. For this, God expelled him out of Heaven. He knew that jealousy and arrogance was not a good
MalachiCo0 3 days ago
@alienisuntverus thing for anyone, and THAT'S why he expelled him out. Satan, of coaurse decided to get even with God, and tempted man to eat of the fruit, whitch was not meant for
MalachiCo0 3 days ago
@MalachiCo0
Okay, that was a real cute story. Now can you get to the part where you prove it?
alienisuntverus 3 days ago
@alienisuntverus man. Man them decided to do things their way, when in reality they were no where near powerful enough to take care of every situation them selves. They needed God's
MalachiCo0 3 days ago
@alienisuntverus help. Satan, in the mean time, inflicted man with freaks of his own creation, created to stain God's name and cause harm to creation, like sickness. God did not
MalachiCo0 3 days ago
@alienisuntverus invent sickness or this other stuff in the world that causes harm, nor does he ever use it. Satan invented it and he uses it, as evidenced in Job. However, he takes
MalachiCo0 3 days ago
@alienisuntverus bad things and turns it around for better. Like for instance, he used Joseph's hardships to save not only Israel, but also Canaan, Egypt, and any other countries that
MalachiCo0 3 days ago
@alienisuntverus happened to have drought. But God did not invent these, and he does not cause these.
MalachiCo0 3 days ago
@MalachiCo0
Bullshit. You haven't even proved that A god or a satan or original sin even existed. All you're doing is spouting out kindergarden theology.
alienisuntverus 3 days ago
@alienisuntverus I do not need to prove it. I remember saying that there will not be proof, and the fact you need proof prooves you have been decieved.
MalachiCo0 3 days ago
@alienisuntverus Don't retaliate to me saying "No that's not" because as Yoda has said "The dark side clouds everything, impossible it is to see". For you it is.
MalachiCo0 3 days ago
@MalachiCo0
I don't have to prove anything because I can use Satan as an excuse. Great logic there, moron.
alienisuntverus 3 days ago
Correction...10 questions literalist Christians can't answer...see Tim Keller for reasonable Christianity.
JimKincaid 5 days ago
Ten very good questions, sadly you'll not get one good answer, but possibly the "god can do anything" approach, or the "you have to have faith" one, I prefer my reality to be defined by proof and reason, not fairy tales, thanks for posting the video, i may have to remember those questions for the next time they come knocking on my door, cheers!
ianjrivers 5 days ago
Wow great video, can't wait to show to my Christian grandmother
SirFalador 1 week ago
@SirFalador grandmother? isn't it kind of late to be trying to convince her?
TruthSurge 1 week ago 2
Question 2: There was a window :D
COEXISTential 1 week ago
@COEXISTential one window for a boat 450 feet long (1.5 football fields) 3 stories tall and HOW big was that window? :)
TruthSurge 1 week ago
@TruthSurge Not very (but it would've been good to cover that obvious interjection).
COEXISTential 1 week ago
@COEXISTential Well, this wasn't really about covering each question in detail. And the thing is that doing vids where I don't really slam dunk, I get TONS of Christians thinking oh, I can take this guy. HAHAHAH on my ETET series? not so much. :)
TruthSurge 1 week ago
@TruthSurge Nice. Enjoying the HH/MM series, too.
COEXISTential 1 week ago
@COEXISTential I noticed. heheh that was an older one where I didn't much bother to make it all fancy look-wise. I just wanted to get the pts out in a clear way. I think I accomplished that. still want to address more "exceptions".
TruthSurge 1 week ago
A continuation of my previous comment.
2. (I accidentally skipped this one.) Anything is possible with God :)
7. What Genesis says is what happened.
8. One, or possibly two :)
9. The man who's wife gave birth to Joseph.
10. Jesus was crucified from 12PM to 3PM on Good Friday.
qwerty8me556 1 week ago
Answers:
1. They were already there. One word: Pangea.
3. Because God said, "This is the tree that bears fruit which you are not to eat." And they disobeyed him.
4. He didn't prevent it because we have free will. Why didn't God prevent the Holocaust? The Jewish exile? Because we have free will, and he's either punishing us or toughening us up. It's all for a better future.
5. Either way could've happened. Why do you care?
6. Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, Johanna, and Salome.
qwerty8me556 1 week ago
@qwerty8me556 haha you are awesome
jakethollow 1 week ago
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2. Easy, I can open my window when its raining so could Noah that's why its there..
3. He never said it was wrong he said they would die they understood that.
4. Freewill isn't freewill if God prevents it.
5,6,8,9,10 inconsistencies in the gospels indicate the apostles didn't conspire. Keep in mind this account is written depending on which woman is speaking to the apostle writing the gospel.
Wow that was easy
7. n/a
ShawnSwander 1 week ago
Awww come on, these questions are pretty easy to answer. The answer is eather "God made it happen." or "Don´t ask me cause god walks in mysterious ways." - actually these two will answer all questions you may bring up. No need for thinking thanks to a good doctrine.
cstotmeister 1 week ago
The specific day is not important. What is important is that we know it happened.
Lucky10279 1 week ago
We don't really know. Minor details like that are not very important. They are certain differences in the gospels, because they were written by different people and they may have had different sources, which weren't identical.
Lucky10279 1 week ago
we are free to believe that the creation story was completely literal, or that it was symbolic, because in fact we don't really know for sure if it was completely literal or not. Also, who told that paul believed that? He may have, but I never heard it before. These questions are easy to answer.
Lucky10279 1 week ago
@Lucky10279 Oh Lucky... did you just say that some parts of Holy Book were written by mere men and are therefore not the work of this allmighty, allknowing being? So the bible is not the word of god and mistaken in many places? And if some parts were written by man and we can´t tell apart which they are - we must assume everything is just written by man and therefore not without flaw. And thats how the whole bible-thing crashes and you can put it to the only use left... heat the oven.
cstotmeister 1 week ago
@cstotmeister No, the bible was written by both God and men. God let the men know what he wanted them to write. But God worked with them and there flaws. The bible is the word of God.
Lucky10279 1 week ago
what difference does it make how many women were there?
Lucky10279 1 week ago
We have free will. God will not take away our free will.
Lucky10279 1 week ago
It was a test. God placed the tree there and told them not to eat from it as a test. They failed the test.
Lucky10279 1 week ago
Adam and Eve DID know right from wrong. And anything is possible with God. If it is true that it would be air tight than I would say it was a miracle.
Lucky10279 1 week ago
@goinrich25 ok then, answer them here and with solid evidence.
xXMcEpsilonXx 1 week ago
yoour faces after each question were funny.
xXMcEpsilonXx 1 week ago
One problem with that is the Christians actually stole a lot of Pagan scriptures after killing them.
marthy3456 1 week ago
I definitely just answered 9 out of 10 of these questions without even having to open up my Bible. I am willing to bet that I could answer the other one with a couple of minutes in my Bible. This guy obviously needs to read more if he is going to try to discredit Christianity and the Word of God.
goinrich25 1 week ago
@goinrich25 The bible does a fantastic job in discrediting itself. Repeat after me Logic compells you, Logic compells you
bltorioles 1 week ago
i'll question 3,it's cuz it was part of god's plain,to perfect humanity and satan decived eve
and then eve convince adam to eat the fruit they wer'nt suppose to eat(read genesis 3).,you people need
to stop skimimg over every scriptures!! and just picking ones you like to use to hate on
God
bluebird2231 1 week ago
@bluebird2231 srry i ment to type" i'll answer question 3"
bluebird2231 1 week ago
Here's another question. If God created us why did he show Thousands of years after the Pagan Gods who were there from the begging?
marthy3456 1 week ago
@marthy3456 easy. He thought his first covenant would work out and he saw it was bullshit so he tried again with a NEW covenant and that seemed to go over better but still needed some work but he sort of dropped the ball and let his chosen apostles and such take over and well, it just became a huge mess. :)
TruthSurge 1 week ago
@TruthSurge So much for omniscience, then, eh?
COEXISTential 1 week ago
@COEXISTential not following... wha? don't know what that is a reply to.
TruthSurge 1 week ago
@TruthSurge re: your 'how big was that window' comment ;)
COEXISTential 1 week ago
@COEXISTential oh. Well, heck, I'd say so much for the IQ of a standard human. :)
TruthSurge 1 week ago
Nigga u ugly.
TheAngryBro 1 week ago
@TheAngryBro I may be ugly, but I can still beat bitch nigga asses.
TruthSurge 1 week ago
hahah I like the faces you give. And reading the comments on your videos has revealed that about 99% of Christians on YouTube are still sucking the spiritual "tit" of immaturity and have yet to start eating "solid food". :)
perichoresis7 2 weeks ago
@perichoresis7 well, I think it's a broad spectrum from inerrant word of GAWD to atheism. I happen to be on the one side, and lots of these commenters happen to be on the total opposite. You fall somewhere between middle and me. :) We all have some place at this time and perhaps in another 10 years I'll be in the same spot or maybe not? time will tell. But I think there is a tilt where gravity draws all from the left (fundy) to the right (atheist). once down a notch.. can't
TruthSurge 2 weeks ago
@TruthSurge Yeah. Time is change. And even the lazy can't stay stagnant; we're all moving toward/away from something.
perichoresis7 2 weeks ago
@perichoresis7 in general, that's true. but don't you know there are some who do NOT change? some fat, lazy, bum who does the same thing every day w/o the slightest inclination to learn or do something new? I think there are those like that. I even feel it in myself but I just enjoy doing stuff that requires me to think a bit. But here is my true belief - if someone wants to live their life like XYZ, that's fine by me. Cuz it works both ways. :)
TruthSurge 2 weeks ago
@TruthSurge Truth. That's a good way to look at it. But I don't know about "works both ways". hahaha The one "works" while the other successfully continues to exist. haha I guess it depends on how you define "works" though. But hey, people act in ways that make sense to them, and that's also fine by me. :)
perichoresis7 2 weeks ago
@perichoresis7 works means I grant people their liberty and they grant mine. Now, DO they? many times ONLY because they know they'd get locked up otherwise. Just look at Prop 8, man. They know they cannot kill people who are gay (like the "perfect" law of God commands) so they try to force it through ANOTHER law. 300 years ago, they could kill and get away with it if they were careful. Just look at lynchings of blacks, etc. Irony is, the people killing think they r right.
TruthSurge 2 weeks ago
@TruthSurge Yeah. Sad. And groups like the KKK (and flat earth society hahah) still exist. Crazy.
perichoresis7 2 weeks ago
@perichoresis7 can't return. :)
TruthSurge 2 weeks ago
I think the questions are irrelavent and answered in the text they are taken from except #1 Austarailia...lol I am sorry you were hurt and molested very sad!
jeremy77ification 2 weeks ago
@jeremy77ification You are a dumbass.
TruthSurge 2 weeks ago
@TruthSurge I agree with the other guy. Most of these questions are irrelivent to the actual religion. As for the Australia question, the answer is Pangaea. Christianity doesn't deny the existence of this super continent. Christianity probably doesn't event deny evolution. All the bible says is that it took God 6 days to create the world and the universe, It doesn't say how long those days are or even if all organisms came from a single source. The only one "poofed" there was man.
s0be2266 2 weeks ago
@s0be2266 Pangaea? LMAO! So you think the continents were all connected as of a few thousand years ago? as for days, we KNOW how long a day is. one revolution of the earth. man, you need to regroup and try again.
TruthSurge 2 weeks ago
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s0be2266 2 weeks ago
@s0be2266 why did you remove your comment asking me to explain what a day was if Earth wasn't made yet? The AUTHORS of the story knew what a day was and knew what they were writing. When the AUTHORS say "day" they meant what "day" meant during their "day". The time it took for the sun to reach the same point in the sky the next... DAY. what we now call 24 hrs. What we also now call one rotation of earth. They are literally saying god took 6 days to create it all.
TruthSurge 2 weeks ago
@TruthSurge correction, he did make the earth first but, it wasn't until the fourth day that he made the stars. Unless you are a complete moron, you will agree that the sun is a star.Explain what day is without the rotation around the sun.
Furthermore, who doesn't believe in Pangaea? We all know that the contenants are moving slightly each year. The land masses all align, and researchers have found same extinct species in africa and south america.
s0be2266 2 weeks ago
@s0be2266 who believes that Pangaea existed even 10 or 20 thousand years ago? or even several HUNDRED thousand years ago? You can't be this dumb.
You honestly think the authors of the genesis story meant something OTHER than day when they wrote day? I guess you also believe those same ancient authors meant SUN when they wrote STAR. and in general, ANY scientific error in the Bible is simply the author using figurative language. EXCEPT for the resurrection! THAT'S LITERAL!
TruthSurge 2 weeks ago
@TruthSurge Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.
Matthew 7:6
s0be2266 2 weeks ago
@s0be2266 buh bye, now
TruthSurge 2 weeks ago
@s0be2266 Dude, the Genesis 1 creation account (and Genesis 2-3 creation account, which was a separate Hebrew tradition) does not need to be held onto in the way you're holding on to it. You're trying to nail jello to the wall. These narratives were constructed and passed on over time as a way to talk about how God created. All you need to hold onto is this: God created and there is meaning/purpose in it. Exactly HOW it was done is irrelevant, "big bang" or otherwise.
perichoresis7 2 weeks ago
@perichoresis7 really? did you actually read the other comments or did you read one and felt like your opinion mattered?
s0be2266 2 weeks ago
@s0be2266 hahah Are you a Christian? Of course I read them. It was just a friendly critique, not a demonstration of knowledge/opinion. All I was saying was discussions of stars, length of days, and anything else regarding Genesis 1 and 2-3 in that way is pointless. They are narratives, not historical accounts of events.
perichoresis7 2 weeks ago
@perichoresis7 How does it not matter? It has huge social effects that can either disprove a religion or prove it's consistency. Do you not remember the huge debate between evolutionists and creationists? Everyone was basically fighting in circles with evolutionists not knowing why exactly life started and creationists not being able to say anything other then God made it. That is why the length of days is important. Everything in the bible is useful in some way, for good or bad.
s0be2266 2 weeks ago
@s0be2266 Well, I am a Christian and I can tell you that that is a dangerous perspective. We cannot make the Bible say things it did not intend to say. If we do, then we run into many problems (i.e. Adam/Eve created last together in Gen.1; Adam created first in Gen. 2, Eve created last). These narratives were not meant to be seen as a historical account; Moses was not sitting on a rock somewhere taking notes on God's creation. These are theological/God centered narratives.
perichoresis7 2 weeks ago
@perichoresis7" All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness"
2 timothy 3:16
The bible says nothing that would completely disprove the evolution theory. I don't believe man was part of that process but, The animals could have been made that way. It doesn't really matter to christians but it does to others looking into the religion.
s0be2266 2 weeks ago
@s0be2266 All true. The issue comes when been discussing where exactly is the "God-breathing" happening. Is it in individuals (as many creationists would seem to believe)? Or is it broader than that? Could it be that God was involved in the whole process; the community that transmitted the narratives orally, the traditions those narratives rose out of, the experiences that were involved, were these all involved in the "God-breathed" Scriptures? I would say yes.
perichoresis7 2 weeks ago
@s0be2266 The Bible is an exceedingly complex document that holds thousands of years of traditions and experiences that have all settled down into one condensed location. If we oversimplify it, we devalue the very nature of the Bible's purpose and ultimately have a misguided view of who God is (something that has happened to most Americans as a result of 50s, 60s, and 70s, theology). But we move forward; understanding evolves and progresses, and we must evolve and progress as well.
perichoresis7 2 weeks ago
Those are good questions though
goruby2 3 weeks ago
Call the Bible Answerman CRI he can explain it all.
goruby2 3 weeks ago
@goruby2 You meant he can non-explain it all.
TruthSurge 3 weeks ago
I am sure there are way many more question they can't answer. But they always will say " We don't suppose to understand the bible, because it's a parabole that we can't understand"
chaconmcfly 3 weeks ago
@chaconmcfly yep. can't understand the deep mysteries of gawd.
TruthSurge 3 weeks ago
@TruthSurge because you do not start with faith, if you ask Him humbly He will gladly show Himself toa willing heart! We all have put faith into much more ridiculous ideas.
jeremy77ification 3 weeks ago
@jeremy77ification You should ask Allah humbly. He will come show himself to you. If you don't ask, he won't. Your call.
You see how ridiculous this is? If there WAS a god, he'd NEED to show him or itself like any being would and WANT to do and it wouldn't be based on my belief or not. My belief would actually be contingent upon his existence FIRST then whether he/she/it is WORTHY of worship (or if the god even wants to be worshiped). Do you want to be worshiped?
TruthSurge 3 weeks ago
@jeremy77ification Just like TruthSurge says, If it is worthy of worship, Because the bible doesn't really present us a merciful, rightful, wise nor any good adjective Gwad, And yes I have read it, In case you wonder, The more I read the more flaws I find, I read it in English, Spanish and Portuguese and believe me, nothing but bad news and mind washing for the weak there is in it.
chaconmcfly 3 weeks ago
@jeremy77ification Most if not ALL atheists start out as either Christians or some other faith,its not just the Christians that "feel" god in their hearts,ask a Muslim and he will say he feels it,ask a Buddhist and he will say they "feels"something when he mediates.That feeling you get when you prey or worship, that's not god, that's you lying to yourself,and yes ive felt it to but it is nothing.
FR0STY0115 3 weeks ago
wow gee wiz....lol... I still love Jesus! You won't figure that out with wit anymore than you can craft a solution to why you want to debunk a God that loves you!!
jeremy77ification 3 weeks ago
@jeremy77ification Do you not believe that Muhammad flew on a horse at night? or the Joseph Smith was given golden plates upon which the book of Mormon was etched in angel language?
TruthSurge 3 weeks ago
If you check, Noah was out on the water for a year. Add up all the days. It rained for 40 days but they were out there for a year.
CanvasSkinRazorBrush 3 weeks ago
@CanvasSkinRazorBrush yeah, i think it depends on which passage you take as the real truth. one seems to be more like 6 mo. the other goes on his age or something as I recall. either way, the story sinks. :)
TruthSurge 3 weeks ago
@TruthSurge There is evidence all over the planet in a world wide flood from the sediment deposits. Scientists call them the geologic layers.Scientists claim the layers are from different geologic time zones that are millions of years apart but they can't explain why there have been dinosaur fossils found in upright positions that occupy more than one geological zone.That is because the layers don't represent different time zones they only represent different sediment layers.
CanvasSkinRazorBrush 3 weeks ago
@CanvasSkinRazorBrush one word: wildwoodclaire1
TruthSurge 3 weeks ago
@TruthSurge Alright brother. I pray that your heart is opened to the truth once again. God bless.
David325ful 3 weeks ago
@TruthSurge Disney world inspire happy endings and say they always happen to someone. But is that necessarily true.? We cannot confuse fiction with non-fiction.
David325ful 3 weeks ago
@David325ful I'm done, bro. You totally didn't understand my point. Everything you read (and like) in the Bible, you quote as fact/history. But if it IS fiction, it never happened. It's one person SAYING it happened (if you believe it is history instead of fiction). Just like in 1000 years, maybe The Hobbit would be read as history! It's written! Why not? I'd think a short rabbit-like person exists before a guy who used to be god who thought appearing 2000 yrs ago was smrt
TruthSurge 3 weeks ago
LOL! The questions aren't half as funny as the look on the dude's face after he asks them. Thanks for the laugh. I'll go back to reading my Bible now. ;o)
RBNightlinger 4 weeks ago
@RBNightlinger thanks! I thought I'd add a bit of silliness to this vid.
TruthSurge 4 weeks ago
@TruthSurge Hahaha! Favorited... as hyperbole. The ending is freaking classic. Bravo!
RBNightlinger 4 weeks ago
@RBNightlinger Glad you liked it. hehehe Did you watch this one vid of mine called The Tough Guy Show ? It's funny. search that on YT. hehehehe
TruthSurge 4 weeks ago
@TruthSurge Matthew 9:9 mentions Matthew aka Levi (Mark 2:14, Luke 5:27) as a Jewish tax collector (usually reproached by the people for their corruption and rich lifestyle) in capernaum galilee. A tax collector had a well proportioned education and knew different languages to it's convenience. Matthew, I reckon, was not typically estranged to hebrew.
David325ful 4 weeks ago
@David325ful
"Matthew 9:9 mentions Matthew aka Levi (Mark 2:14, Luke 5:27) as a Jewish tax collector"
And Tolkien's "The Hobbit" states that Bilbo Baggins was a hobbit.
TruthSurge 4 weeks ago
@TruthSurge Matthew could not have mistaken Hebrew parallelism since he himself was a Jew and 2/3 of the OT is prophetic poetry concerning Jesus. Jesus could have commanded His disciples to bring Him a donkey and a colt as to test them if they knew the Scripture concerning Him. Eventually they didn't as John 12:16 proves.
David325ful 4 weeks ago
@David325ful "Matthew could not have mistaken Hebrew parallelism since he himself was a Jew"
He was NOT a Jew. He could NOT read Hebrew. He had to rely on the Septuagint (the Greek version of the Hebrew OT). Where on earth do you get your misinformation?
TruthSurge 4 weeks ago
@TruthSurge Matthew is names from outside letters as the writer of Matthew and he was a tax collector and was most likely highly trained with math and reading and writing skill. The Romans picked people who could count and write so they could record what was taxed and take in for tax. The Jews were very well educated and very astute is business. History shows that quite clearly. Remember that Luke was a doctor, Paul a Jewish scholar. The NT writers were no dummies. God's talent
MRGV7373 4 weeks ago
@MRGV7373 "Matthew is names from outside letters as the writer of Matthew and he was a tax collector"
And Tolkien's "The Hobbit" states that Bilbo Baggins was a hobbit.
TruthSurge 4 weeks ago
Question 10, The naming convention is just different. People don't understand the finer parts of Jewish culture and confuse Friday and the Day of Preparation as something different. John says the preparation day is Friday. the passover was a whole week long and the main passover day was Saturday for the Jews. So the day before the passover and preparation day are the same day - Friday , the day Jesus died and was buried. and 3 days later rose from the dead. So here are the answers.
MRGV7373 4 weeks ago
8 - rode one donkey, but two were brought along. Mark and Luke have a colt, John - no story Matt21 has two animals, one donkey and the fold - the colt. They prepared both and the story never says what Jesus rode. The colt works for me. 2/3 vote colt for sure. The genealogies, Matthew is Joseph's and the male side born of David, Luke 3 Mary side showing human. Simple John says the day of Preparation which is Friday just like the rest. The preparation day is the name for Friday to a Jew.
MRGV7373 4 weeks ago
@MRGV7373 You are making too many mistakes to keep up.
Luke 19:35
And they brought him to Jesus: and they cast their garments upon the colt, and they set Jesus thereon.11:7 And they brought the colt to Jesus, and cast their garments on him; and he sat upon him.
John 12:14
And Jesus, when he had found a young ass, sat thereon.12:15 Fear not, daughter of Sion: behold, thy King cometh, sitting on an ass's colt.
gardenweed 4 weeks ago
All the gospel list some women, See Luke 24:10 - Good list, most women that went. Different writers have a different story and list some or all of the women. No full story on what happened just parts The Anele moved the stone in Matthew 28:2 the women found the stone moved Luke24:2. Mark 16:4, John20:1. Simple and unbelievable- He said he was God, Angel do his work. The Gospel are quite clear on who moved the stone. Paul point was true either way. Adam is fallen and humans need redemption
MRGV7373 4 weeks ago
kangaroos would have jumped, you assume no land bridge. Who said that Noah did not have vents on the top of the boat or the sides?? Adam and Even knew what God wanted them not to do, eat of the tree and by eating from the tree, they got the knowledge of good and evil- judgement. The tree was to test Adam and Eve's love of God. God never promised a rose garden.!! the stone was rolled away, it never says the women rolled it away.The women that came are different depending on the Gospel you read
MRGV7373 4 weeks ago
@MRGV7373 "Who said that Noah did not have vents on the top of the boat or the sides??" Gen "6:16 A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it". God never told Noah to put in vents. If you assume he did then can we not also assume he told him to put in a swimming pool and jacuzzi?
gardenweed 4 weeks ago
@gardenweed Again, you take the text literally in that all that was done and other things did not happen. Maybe Noah added some vents as he worked since fresh air was needed, Food was gathered, water was put in skins or jars. the whole story is not written down at times in the bible. 100% of what happened is never written down in any story or historical event. Your literalism does not take into account what else happened. It never says the ark was air tight, it was water tight.
MRGV7373 4 weeks ago
@MRGV7373
except, since it is not written in the bible, that can be *easily* refuted. since the bible was meant to be taken literally, i suppose your theory of making stuff up is out of luck. and it's just a method for apologists to make shit up about the bible that was never recorded to save face
if you're adding your own stuff in, that definitely bogs down the acclaimed 'word of god' in the bible
actually, keep it up. it's quite a laugh
infernalone666 4 weeks ago
@infernalone666 dear 666, the bible and many of it stories that Jesus tells were never to me take literally. you must engage your brain and think. Jesus said that I am the bread of Life. Did Jesus really mean that his is a hostess twinky?? I am the light of the world. A lightbulb.??So don't be so naive! You make yourself look ignorant No where in the story of Noah is the ark said to be air tight.God and Noah made something that worked. Now read the rest of what I defended.
MRGV7373 4 weeks ago
@MRGV7373
oh, no. it's is actually in the bible that there was a window on the ark. only thing was it was nowhere near big enough
and i'm telling you not to make shit up as you go along. if jesus says don't take it literally, then that shits on it being the 'inerrant word of god' as it has been repudiated to be. and for that matter, the bible wasn't even COMPILED until the council of nicea, so oops!
so be apologetic again and say 'well, jesus can see the future'. i'm ready
infernalone666 4 weeks ago
@infernalone666 isn't it almost like a huge binary tree? where you already know IF the buhleever takes branch A, then this is your answer. IF branch B, then this is your answer. Man, cuz we've already been down ALL the branches and they haven't. AND all the branches dead end eventually and when that happens, the buhleever usually yells at you "You are close minded!" and runs off.
TruthSurge 4 weeks ago
@TruthSurge
I agree with that. the problem is that anti-christians spend their time attacking the doctrines and the faith and all that
then the christians try to argue that with more belief and dogma, just conviniently twisted so it suits their needs with shit not written in the bible or outright contradictions expecting it to fly
they're fighting with what we're attacking. who holds the upper hand?
infernalone666 4 weeks ago
@infernalone666 Well, they are in a bad position for sure. Trying to defend something that is really indefensible. Kind of pity that person and I used to be one!
TruthSurge 4 weeks ago
@TruthSurge
yeah, so was i. i was once a christian - and a rather pathetic and sniveling one at that. however, in a streak of a lot of things working for me because of my own actions, i began contemplating free will and the concept of 'what makes me right and them wrong?' and found out it was all opinions
christianity holds absolutely NOTHING concrete above ANY other religion
infernalone666 4 weeks ago
@infernalone666 I agree.
TruthSurge 4 weeks ago
@infernalone666 What Christian object to is the outright lies that the NT is false and not historical or that it is purely myth. The NT writings are the best attested writing that are old than 1,000 years.The Jesus story is true, valid and is historically accurate. Now after reading the NT and the claims of Jesus, a person decides to not believe them, that is the person choice.But to make the claim that the history of Jesus is Myth just shows that the person does not know history
MRGV7373 3 weeks ago
@MRGV7373
wow......where do I start?
for someone who keeps saying 'don't take the bible literally', you certainly seem to be.
don't know history? umm....let's see......I know that there were dinosaurs and cavemen instead of adam and eve. there were no actual records of hebrew slaves EVER being in egypt in exodus
the earliest gospel was mark and that was written around the year 70, 40 years after jesus supposedly died. what took him so long?
infernalone666 3 weeks ago
@MRGV7373
in the year 70, the romans burned jerusalem because the hebrews were being insolent. that is a good example for a catalyst needed to invent some unknown messiah character that conveniently allied with them and valued the lowly character.
and of course jeuss did not exist because there is no evidence of his existence outside of 'because the bible says so'. merely having to believe in him shows this.
infernalone666 3 weeks ago
@infernalone666 There are many writing that never made the bible NT. The Gospel of thomas, gospel of Peter, many early letter that discuss and show that Jesus was in time and space. They did not make the bible since book collectors did not think that these writings were very accurate, contradicted better sources.... So there is plenty of other evidence that Jesus live. How would a belief exist if they did not have some genesis? The evidence is solid.
MRGV7373 3 weeks ago
@MRGV7373
priests and popes throughout history have USED god and jesus as excuses to slaughter the 'others' and extort their sheep for money as far as I'm concerned, if those two were real, I would have suspected more from them if they didn't like it
throughout the bible there are constant evasions in order to say they existed without having to be proven - like jesus not being in his tomb, or the rainbow meaning there will never be a flood again
infernalone666 3 weeks ago
@infernalone666 Yes you are right here. Pope, Priest rulers have used Christianity to kill, main, torture and rape all in the name of God. Such pitiful and hate filled use of such a great person as Jesus. Humans have a great ability to take a belief and use this valid belief to do inhuman acts. Sad but very true. Organized, Large churches can be very dangerous to ones health. They burn people to death. The rainbow is about worldwide flooding not about local floods.
MRGV7373 3 weeks ago
@MRGV7373
the funny thing is that people, between the years 100 and 300, have forged several documents named under renown first century writers in order to rotoscope christianity into the first century (flavius joesephus, pliny the elder and tacitus to name some) to make their side hold water
accept the fact that you cast history aside for what you choose to think and push that line off on contradictors. i was once a christian like you, and now i ensure I understand HOW it's a lie
infernalone666 3 weeks ago
@infernalone666 I don't know enough to speculate on forgeries. How and what was forged is very difficult to discern and prove one way or the other. I have 40 years of detailed study and I can assure you that much of what God has done still mystifies me. I don't even pretend that I understand it all. I don't understand how life can come from an egg and sperm let alone how a man that is quite dead, rise to Life. I believe that Jesus lived died and rose and I love what he did.
MRGV7373 3 weeks ago
@infernalone666 I trust what was written and believe it is good history. I don't think that Jesus would ever lie and God's Spirit will guide me to the truth. That is by faith. Something that is truly unseen. At the same time I believe that person like you can be absolutely critical of what I believe and that I should be able to give you a reasonable answer. Once I've done that, I let the chips fall where they go. Your an adult you get to make you mind up and I respect that.
MRGV7373 3 weeks ago
@MRGV7373
i would appear that we will never see eye to eye. just make sure you sell everything you own or you'll never get into heaven. and be sure to hack off whichever body parts caused you to be bad in your life, because as jesus had said 'it's better to enter eternity maimed than sinful'. he also preached that he wouldn't accept disciples that loved their families more or equal to him
infernalone666 3 weeks ago
@infernalone666 No we come from different perspectives. As for taking off my right hand or eye, if I did that I could not see the beautiful world and I would still have a left hand or eye to kill with. I don't think Jesus meant this literally. I mean get at the source of the problem. The body in not the issue, it is always the mind. As to selling my goods, I am hardly rich and therefor Money is not a stumbling block to me, only the rich young ruler. The point not the literal.
MRGV7373 3 weeks ago
@MRGV7373
just two things wrong with that
1) no, because I used to be a christian as well and decided I couldn't put up with it anymore
2) the bible WAS supposed to be taken literally. the thing is that people are beginning to realize it is a random compilation of superstitions. if jesus' self-mutilation lecture was not meant to be taken literally, then what else is just random speculation? the eucharist, how to get into heaven, his resurrection, his identity?
infernalone666 3 weeks ago
@MRGV7373
people have literally been killed for not accepting it. there are people called apologists who make up every weird excuse under the sun in order to cover up every contradiction, inaccuracy and shortcoming the bible has. the tellings of jesus are listed only within the bible, the concepts that he stood for and the 'details' of his life were only mentioned there. the bible IS the religion of christianity
an agnostic is saying this only because of sentence 1 of this post
infernalone666 3 weeks ago
@infernalone666
it's funny that you are making my case for me. by saying everything in the bible is not to be taken literally means that you are admitting the religion is a bunch of faerie-tales and farted up dialogue by geezers with plans of world domination by preying on desperate people with the promise of a 'happy' afterlife
i really should just shut my mouth on that
infernalone666 3 weeks ago
@MRGV7373
i'll just end this on you can't just unwrite or ignore passages that don't appeal to you. a religion is not a buffet where you can choose which lines to use and you can't hide the unappealing ones because they have probably had an immense impact on the past. if one story falls apart, the rest fall with it
infernalone666 3 weeks ago
@infernalone666 It would be a big mistake to take "all" of what Jesus said literally. It is too bad that you were taught that. To take us the cross literally, I would have to build a wood cross and drag it around with me. Very hard to drive that way. So what does it mean? to give up being first, self righteous... You must think and decided what did Jesus mean. I don't ignore the passages, I try to get at the root of what Jesus meaning. Only I can do that for myself.
MRGV7373 3 weeks ago
@MRGV7373
well, if I can't trust everything it says about him, then how can I trust anything else? You are, quite literally, saying 'pick the ones that sound best to listen to'.
As for carrying the cross, yes, a lot of the old testament was 'misinterpreted' to allow the concept of the crucifixion. for all the talk about prophecies, crucifixion was NEVER mentioned.
if jesus was being 'vague', then why didn't he speak a little clearer?
infernalone666 3 weeks ago
@infernalone666 You mistaken Literally with figures of speech and parables. You can trust what was written and then you have to study what was said in context, history, and other things Jesus said. The cross I am talking about is the NT, Roman crucifixion. The nasty death tool of the Roman culture. I know that it was not ever mentioned in the OT. Jews never used it. Romans used it many times. That is why Pilate used it. Jews stoned a person. Jesus spoke to the 12 straight
MRGV7373 3 weeks ago
@MRGV7373
which ones are the ones where god did not speak plainly? the ones that involved death and torture and threats? are you just saying they're metaphorical in order to say 'well, that didn't happen'?
if even one story is a parable, that means ALL of them can be as well, and not just the ones the invoker doesn't like. as far as i'm concerned, if god and his inherent word won't speak plainly to me, i don't want a god who will song and dance. so it looks like god CAN confuse
infernalone666 3 weeks ago
@infernalone666 God/evolution gave us a brain so we can think. I don't even begin to understand why Jesus taught the way he did. I try to understand. I think Jesus wanted to make sure that only people who truly wanted to know what Jesus meant found out the truth. If you came to Jesus with a "trapping" question, insincere questions, only to "get" some food.... Jesus would discern that the questioner was falsely motivated and not give answers or perplexing answers.
MRGV7373 3 weeks ago
@MRGV7373
you're not even addressing anything I said. if half the stuff in the bible is 'not literal' or encryptic or not meant to be taken seriously, then that means the bible, as a whole, is dishonest. since it has been claimed several times the bible was god's word, then that means his word is worthless
the trapping question for jesus is this 'if your daddy is all-powerful and can forgive in the blink of an eye, why are you here?' there actually is no point to jesus' existence
infernalone666 3 weeks ago
@infernalone666 Many things that Jesus said where true spoken by Jesus and they were not meant to be taken literally. Jesus did speak in parables and figure of speech. Jesus and God are all powerful. Jesus had to literally die so the real sin could be forgiven. That is what has been reveal to humanity by God. Could God have done something different, yes, but this is what has show to us.
MRGV7373 3 weeks ago
@infernalone666 God's message and truths are in the bible - the writings of many people that God enlightened with God's messages. In the NT, Jesus used stories, word plays, parables to teach his followers and listeners. Like, I am the light of the world. Jesus is not a light bulb, and Jesus is saying that his teachings will shed understanding to humans. Jesus told us to cut off our right hand if we sin. That is not literal since we would have our left hand still for sin.
MRGV7373 3 weeks ago
@infernalone666 Now teaching in figures of speech is not dishonest but it will make the listener to think about what is said.For people who don't want to really "listen" the stories, figures of speech will be meaningless since they take work to understand and digging to get at the truth. God could have been more direct and again, I don't know why God did this. I guess that God wanted people to trust what he says by Faith. If God just hit us over the head would we have free will?
MRGV7373 3 weeks ago
@MRGV7373 "No where in the story of Noah is the ark said to be air tight.God and Noah made something that worked."
Genesis 6:14 "Build a large boat from cypress wood and waterproof it with tar, inside and out. Then construct decks and stalls throughout its interior."
Or if you prefer the KJV, "Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch."
watertight = no air circulating because it'd let in water.
TruthSurge 4 weeks ago
@MRGV7373 "It never says the ark was air tight, it was water tight".
No what it doesn't say is "add vents".
You are making it up without any text to support your argument. he could very well have built a swimming pool and a jacuzzi. After all 100% of what happened wasn't written down. What WAS written down was the specific instructions to add one window and one door.
gardenweed 4 weeks ago