@GeorgiaKev that's your problem. Low rent white areas are usually next to negroe areas.You're either gonna get shot by a gangbanger or blown up by a meth lab.
@rw5791 "I live in an elite liberal neighborhood.You could count the negroes......" Wait a second you spelled negro wrong. Are you so elite that your spellchecker is broken or so elite that you failed basic english?
Thank you, rightwingwatch, for exposing the whackadoodles. New Hampshire has to suffer the embarassment of its handful of RWNJ reps, something this beautiful state does not deserve.
No, he actually was not the one who originally released the COLB which was proven to be a fake. Then years later he released a "copy" of a birth certificate which is a fraud. He admitted that his father was and is not a US citizen, thus he is not "Natural Born" as defined in the Constitution. Read up on what Natural Born actually means not the crap the White house is pushing. Natural is NOT = to Native Born. Let everyone see the original in the vault and it would be over... but he cant.
@eturbo924 only dumb ass birthers live in a fake reality world gosh you guys need a reality show just to show dyslexic you guys really are his father not being a citizen has been known even before he decided to run for office he already has shown what to needed to be shown but you birthers dont want to accept being wrong and stupid so ya'll just keep pushing the same birther crap
@SupremekaiD5 Love how people like you always drop to the lowest common denominator and just start calling names. Instead of speaking about the issues you attack the person speaking because you cant win. "Natural Born" according to the definition in place at the time of the Constitutions creation meant Born in USA too two...that means both just in case you cant figure that out... Citizen parents. Hmm. That is the issue here. He is not "Natural Born". He maybe be Native.
@eturbo924 LOLyou birthers are the ones being laughed out of court.
Andrew Jackson (1829-1837) is the only president born of two immigrants, both Irish. Presidents with one immigrant parent are Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809), whose mother was born in England, James Buchanan (1857-1861) and Chester Arthur (1881-1885), both of whom had Irish fathers, and Woodrow Wilson (1913-1921) and Herbert Hoover (1929-1933), whose mothers were born respectively in England and Canada.
@eturbo924@borderraven Colin powel was secretary of state 3 away from presidency both his parents were jamaican immigrants, John Kerry presidential candidate in 2004 his mother was born in france and of course mitt romney's dad was born in mexico it basically doesent matter about parents but yea keep funding orly taitz to sucker you.
@SupremekaiD5 Wow...well you had better get your arguments straight first. It has nothing about where the parents were born... just if they are citizens of the USA. Parents dont have to be Natural Born. Again...with the name calling. Your arguments just cant keep up and you have to go to names calling. I am waiting for you to throw the race card as well. Oh no... were you just about to do that? Or maybe you will just go all caps on me! If not smarter go louder right?
@SupremekaiD5 Hahaha... no... from INS "If married to US citizen you may apply for US citizenship after 3 years with valid green card." His father was a here on a visa and was kicked out when it ran out. He did not apply for citizenship. Wrong again. But nice try.
@SupremekaiD5 What is the definition of Natural Born? ... Not native born. There is a difference. Though the White House is trying very had to make them one in the same. There is a reason our Founding Fathers specifically used the term "Natural Born". Look at some of their follow up years later and they actually define the term in their statements. Also the Supreme Court has commented on the definition. It is as I have stated before Born in USA of two citizen parents.
@eturbo924 the definition of nbc in usa is someone born within the jurisdiction of the usa there are only 2 types of citizens in the usa a natural born and naturalized someone born in the usa is automatically nbc which is what obama is. You birthers have been pushing this silliness for 3 years and have gotten no where
@SupremekaiD5 Wrong as usual. Look at what they did to McCain... which Obama signed off on. haha... you just shot yourself in the foot. They pronounced him Natural Born specifically because he has "two citizen parents". Done! You loose! and the Great Obama did you in because he signed it! HAHAHA
@eturbo924 ooooo lmao wrong all the way mccain was born in panama last time i checked panama was not a state a part of the usa did you not remember that, thats why his parents were the second option, obama was born in hawaii which was a state apart of the usa oooo right in the groinds man.
@SupremekaiD5 Pay attention here. I cant keep helping you out this way. Look at what they wrote and what Obama signed. They said that because he was born on soil owned or controlled by the USA and both were citizen parents he is "Natural Born" they ... congress... never held such a hearing on Obama... why do you think that is? Again you loose.
@eturbo924 wrong the panama canal zone wasnt yet recognized as usa soil yet oh yea and john mccain ran in 2000 why was there no resolution then exactly he never needed one. Congress never held a hearing because obama was born in the states duhhh
@SupremekaiD5 It hurts to know that people can just drink so much of the party line argument and spit it back out. Too bad you cant look past it and find the truth. Obama does not qualify per the original intent of the framers words. They used both Citizen and Natural Born citizen. If they meant the same thing... they would not have used both. Thus they do not and Obama does not qualify Per "Natural Born" at the time of the writting. Not the crap the Democrats are trying to rewrite now.
@eturbo924 Have you read all of SR 511? Of course not. But, taking the snip you mentioned, Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936, did the resolution say this was the ONLY way a person could be a natural born citizen? NO. If it was, that means that to be a NBC, a person would have had to be born on a U.S. military base in Panama in the year 1936. YOU'RE the one who's done!
@GeorgiaKev Ah yeah again you twist it to the way you want to believe its meaning is. You believe because it does not list each and every way a person could possibly be a Natural Born citizen that it means anyone is a Natural Born citizen. So ... you are saying any anchor baby could become President of the USA one day. Any illegal immigrant could have a child here and one day that child could be president (legally)? If you believe that there is no hope for you or this country.
@eturbo924 yes an illegal imigrants can have a baby here and the baby can be one day president. Why do you think alot of people want to repeal the 14th amendent duhhh
@eturbo924 When it comes to "twisting things to the way I want to believe it"......I hardly think that's a lesson I need from you after your selectively narrow interpretation of a non-binding Senate resolution. No, the Constitution does not even remotely define "natural born citizen". As such, it is open for interpretation. And it has long been accepted in this country that a citizen by birth is a natural born citizen. If you disagree, then you need to ask Congress to define NBC.
@SupremekaiD5 No... there is Natural Born, Native Born and Naturalized.
Natural born is born on USA soil to two citizen parrents. That is what the Constitution says. "Natural Born". It does not define it... but at the time of the writting of the Constution the definition of "natural born" is as I wrote it above. There is no getting around that. You can say now it means some thing different... but now is not what is in question. It is what the framers of the Constition meant.
@eturbo924 wrong natural born citizen is somebody born here the constitution never defined it your just so desperately trying to assume that its parents, I now you and the birthers have a hard time grasping the facts take some tie to understand the truth. I know you birthers love to deny the truth but you cant let it go this far
@SupremekaiD5 I grow tired of you not actually reading or investigating what I said. I said the Constitution says "Natural Born"... If did not say the Constitution defined it. I said as it was know "defined" at the time the Constitution was created. Sorry but if you would actually investigate what Natural Born means as of the date the Constitution was created you might just wake up and stop claiming I said some thing I did not.
@eturbo924 james madison -1789 james madison speech before the House It is an established maxim that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth however derives its force sometimes from place and sometimes from parentage, but in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States; it will therefore be unnecessary to investigate any other. Mr. Smith founds his claim upon his birthright; his ancestors were among the first settlers of that colony.
@eturbo924 Natural born citizen is NOT defined by the Constitution, by SCOTUS, or by Congress. Now, let's follow your logic.....suppose a woman gets raped by a stranger in a Wal-Mart parking lot and becomes pregnant. The rapist is never caught. She chooses to have the baby, and some 40-50 years later, that child runs for president. Is he or she constitutionally eligible given the fact no one knows who his father was and thus we are uncertain of his father's citizenship?
@eturbo924 james madison-1789 james madison speech before the House It is an established maxim that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth however derives its force sometimes from place and sometimes from parentage, but in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States; it will therefore be unnecessary to investigate any other. Mr. Smith founds his claim upon his birthright; his ancestors were among the first settlers of that colony.
@SupremekaiD5 Article 2 section 1, In this clause and in Articles I, III, and IV, the Founding Fathers distinguished between “Citizen” and “natural born Citizen.” Per the Founders, while Senators and Representatives can be just “citizens,” the President must be a “natural born Citizen.” Natural Born is different than citizen... no way around it.
@eturbo924 It may interest you to know that SR 511 (that you loudly cite as evidence Obama isn't eligible to be POTUS) reads "Whereas the term `natural born Citizen', as that term appears in Article II, Section 1, is NOT DEFINED IN THE CONSTITUTION of the United States," Natural born citizen is not defined in the Constitution, and as such it is open to interpretation as to exactly what it means. Given that, it has been long-accepted that an NBC is a citizen by birth.
@eturbo924 the race card really well yea i could play the race card out of all the 43 white presidents the half black/white guy with the silly name gets called into question all of a sudden there ya happy now
@YTRedActed Emerich de Vattel's 1758 treatise The Law of Nations (original French title: Le Droit du gens), stating that "The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country of parents who are citizens," was quoted in 1857 by Supreme Court justice Peter Vivian Daniel in a concurring opinion in Dred Scott v. Sandford,[17] as well as by Chief Justice Melville Fuller in 1898 in his dissenting opinion in United States v. Wong Kim Ark.[18]
Great! That is so wonderful so you cite a racist decision and a dissenting racist opinion.
Interesting isn't it when race is involved people seem to depend on racist for their argument.
So you mean Obama isn't a Citizen?
Orphans are not Citizens?
Single parent Children are not Citizens?
I am sorry if you can not accept that a child born of an American Mother in the United States of American doesn't have the same rights as you because he is black.
@YTRedActed There is the race card throw out for all to see! Nice going waited much to long for some one to throw it. Um... hmmm... never said he was not a citizen. I have said he is not a Natural Born Citizen. There is a difference if you choose to actually look into it.
Sorry there is a reason that the framers put "Natural Born Citizen" and not just Citizen. No matter what liberals want to say.
@eturbo924 when did i name call what are you talking about or are you just being deffensive because you know your wrong as usual and obama is a natural born citizen. There are only 2 types of citizens in this country a natural born and a naturalized citizen the founding fathers put citizen in the constitution because they themselves were not citizens seeing as the usa didnt exist when they were born so whatever agenda you have on obama isnt working sorry.
@SupremekaiD5 Hmm... when you called me a birther. I believe that is name calling. I am not a birther. I am some one who believes in finding the truth. I research items and make my own decisions. I do not take one parties side over the other. Again I say this... The framers of the Constitution specifically put in "Natural Born Citizen" to mean some thing more than just Citizen. They were worried about dual allegiance thus and foreign influence. Born to two citizen parrents
You think Dred Scott which was a racist decision that said African Americans were not and never could be Citizens and had no standing was a correct decision? Really that is I playing the race card?
Luckily the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments to the Constitution overturned this decision and its total ignorance.
@YTRedActed Hmm. Wow. Cant look at what you know I was referring too and disregard the crap you know I was not. You know what I was talking about but instead you played the race card. There are Natural Born (two citizen parents), Native Born... simply born here and Naturalized. Sorry there are three. Since I am sure you are just going to say... no there are two. Lets agree to disagree and leave it at that.
@eturbo924 wron as usuial people born here are natural born citizens because they do not go through the naturalization process is it that hard for you to understand there are only 2 types of citizens.
@SupremekaiD5 Again... I stand by what I have said over and over above. You have the right to your opinion. I just believe you are incorrect. If a court would step up and grow a set maybe we could put this to rest. No court has taken this challenge and let it proceed on the merits. Now you would claim that it is already settled. But with over half the country with some doubt... it should be settled. One way or another it will. Then we can chat again.
@eturbo924 oh and one ore thing when arnold swartznagger became the govenor of california remember there was concern about him being able to run for president they even wanted to pass legislation for hi to be elegible but they said the fact that he wasnt born here he cant be president and nothing was ever said about his parents needing to be citizens why exactly parents don't matter as long as your born here.
@SupremekaiD5 Arnold is not a Natural Born Citizen. Thus does not qualify. Bringing up parents in his case makes no sense. He was not born here so who cares about his parents. Natural born... Born in this country to two citizen parents. Anyway I think we have beat this to death. Unless you want to argue that Kermit the Frog should be a NBC. :-)
@eturbo924 oh jesus you dont get of course arnold is not a natural born citizen he was born in austria. They were clearly saying arnold wasnt born here but if parents mattered they would of also said even if he was born here that his parents were not citizens of the usa but they never did and his father was a member of the nazi party. Where was kermit born lol.
@eturbo924 now listen they tried to lie and say obama wasnt born here but then they started saying even if he was born here his dad was not a citizen of course thats a lie his father citizenship doesent matter yet arnold swartznagger they just said he wasnt born here why didnt they say same thing about his parents that even if he was born here his parents werent citizens. Exactly parents dont matter.
@eturbo924 james madison -1789 james madison speech before the House It is an established maxim that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth however derives its force sometimes from place and sometimes from parentage, but in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States; it will therefore be unnecessary to investigate any other. Mr. Smith founds his claim upon his birthright; his ancestors were among the first settlers of that colony. explain this
@SupremekaiD5 Hu... you still coming back to this video after a month? Make sure you read who the author was and not who is being responded to. Two citizen parents is what I have always said. Anyway best of luck this fall.
@eturbo924 yea you admitted arnold swartznagger wasnt born here and admitted that his parents don matter basically you admitted parents dont matter as long as one is born here
@SupremekaiD5 Nice try but... ah.... NOT. You can not split the two to fit your needs. I said he was not born her so his parents don't matter. Not his parents don't matter as a stand alone issue. Anyway as I said before agree to disagree or are you going to read over and over again until you find some thing else to twist? :-)
@eturbo924 no you tried twisting things you clearly knew what i asked about arnold why didnt they say that even if he was born here it wouldnt matter cause his parents werent citizens fact is they never did and you ignored the parents saying they dont matter since he wasnt born here you cant ignore his parents all of a sudden because he wasnt born here. I also told you bout previous presidents and candidates whos parents werent born here.
@eturbo924 your making no sense now the constitution does not define a nbc but your so desperate to try and define it. Natural born citizen is someone born within the jurisdiction of the usa period. So learn to grasp what im saying
@SupremekaiD5 Again with the name calling when you cant come up with anything smart to say. Sorry but that is what was common definition at the time. That is what the framers would have been using. Again... anyone reading can see I have over and over said the Constitution did not define it. So grow up and stop calling names and saying I said some thing I did not.
@eturbo924 theres no such thing as just citizen only natural and naturalized a natural born citizen is someone who was a citizen at birth a naturalized citizen is someone who had to go through the naturalization process to be a citizen obama never had to go through the process automatically making him a natural born citizen period. So you growup and learn basic facts of life and quit pouting like the birthers in this video.
Sorry but elected legislators have the right to demand that others do their jobs. Their job is to qualify the candidates ... not to just take at some ones word that he is or is not what he says he is. Sorry but even to play sports kids need to provide basic paperwork to prove they are who they say they are. What are you afraid of? Let him prove it and then take away the argument. Unless you know he cant?
@eturbo924 Barack Obama HAS more than proven his U.S. citizenship. He released the standard short-form and even the LONG-FORM copy of his birth certificate both of which were certified by the State of Hawaii making them LEGAL DOCUMENTS. As such, any organization in the U.S. (business, non-profit, or gov't agency) is obligated to accept either of these documents as proof. And FYI, Obama is the ONLY president IN HISTORY to have produced his birth records. He's a U.S. citizen--GET OVER IT.
He already did prove it, overwhelmingly. Name one other President that provided TWO certified birth certificates. He already provided twice as much proof than any other President has.
If you believe that Orly Taitz will ever accomplish anything other than failure, you're more of an idiot than she is.
GO ORLY!
KenyanBornObamAcorn 1 month ago
@KenyanBornObamAcorn "Go Orly!" Yeah, right back to Israel. Maybe she could re-establish the Tehiya and be its party leader.
GeorgiaKev 1 month ago
barack hussein obama is america's first "section 8" president.
I live in an elite liberal neighborhood.You could count the negroes on one hand.
rw5791 1 month ago
@rw5791 And I live in an uneducated, regressive right-wing neighborhood. You couldn't count the rednecks with an excel program.
GeorgiaKev 1 month ago
@GeorgiaKev that's your problem. Low rent white areas are usually next to negroe areas.You're either gonna get shot by a gangbanger or blown up by a meth lab.
rw5791 1 month ago
@rw5791 You must be Dan Quayle! "Negro" is not spelled with an 'e' on the end any more than "Potato" is.
GeorgiaKev 1 month ago
@GeorgiaKev it's olde english,dummy. Now you be careful with them gangbangers,..........ya hear?
rw5791 1 month ago
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@rw5791 "I live in an elite liberal neighborhood.You could count the negroes......" Wait a second you spelled negro wrong. Are you so elite that your spellchecker is broken or so elite that you failed basic english?
noliesundead 1 month ago
She's a piece of Euro trash.
dudev 2 months ago
Thank you, rightwingwatch, for exposing the whackadoodles. New Hampshire has to suffer the embarassment of its handful of RWNJ reps, something this beautiful state does not deserve.
JosephofSykesville 2 months ago
Orly Taitz is a great person.
Fkoff paid bloggers, everybody knows.
superhotbm 2 months ago
No, he actually was not the one who originally released the COLB which was proven to be a fake. Then years later he released a "copy" of a birth certificate which is a fraud. He admitted that his father was and is not a US citizen, thus he is not "Natural Born" as defined in the Constitution. Read up on what Natural Born actually means not the crap the White house is pushing. Natural is NOT = to Native Born. Let everyone see the original in the vault and it would be over... but he cant.
eturbo924 2 months ago
@eturbo924 only dumb ass birthers live in a fake reality world gosh you guys need a reality show just to show dyslexic you guys really are his father not being a citizen has been known even before he decided to run for office he already has shown what to needed to be shown but you birthers dont want to accept being wrong and stupid so ya'll just keep pushing the same birther crap
SupremekaiD5 2 months ago
@SupremekaiD5 Love how people like you always drop to the lowest common denominator and just start calling names. Instead of speaking about the issues you attack the person speaking because you cant win. "Natural Born" according to the definition in place at the time of the Constitutions creation meant Born in USA too two...that means both just in case you cant figure that out... Citizen parents. Hmm. That is the issue here. He is not "Natural Born". He maybe be Native.
eturbo924 2 months ago
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@eturbo924 LOLyou birthers are the ones being laughed out of court.
Andrew Jackson (1829-1837) is the only president born of two immigrants, both Irish. Presidents with one immigrant parent are Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809), whose mother was born in England, James Buchanan (1857-1861) and Chester Arthur (1881-1885), both of whom had Irish fathers, and Woodrow Wilson (1913-1921) and Herbert Hoover (1929-1933), whose mothers were born respectively in England and Canada.
SupremekaiD5 2 months ago
@eturbo924 @borderraven Colin powel was secretary of state 3 away from presidency both his parents were jamaican immigrants, John Kerry presidential candidate in 2004 his mother was born in france and of course mitt romney's dad was born in mexico it basically doesent matter about parents but yea keep funding orly taitz to sucker you.
SupremekaiD5 2 months ago
@SupremekaiD5 Wow...well you had better get your arguments straight first. It has nothing about where the parents were born... just if they are citizens of the USA. Parents dont have to be Natural Born. Again...with the name calling. Your arguments just cant keep up and you have to go to names calling. I am waiting for you to throw the race card as well. Oh no... were you just about to do that? Or maybe you will just go all caps on me! If not smarter go louder right?
eturbo924 2 months ago
@eturbo924 get your argument straight well then in your case obama was a nbc since his father married ann dunham automatically making him a citizen.
SupremekaiD5 2 months ago
@SupremekaiD5 Hahaha... no... from INS "If married to US citizen you may apply for US citizenship after 3 years with valid green card." His father was a here on a visa and was kicked out when it ran out. He did not apply for citizenship. Wrong again. But nice try.
eturbo924 2 months ago
@eturbo924 obama is still a nbc nice try his fathers doesent effect his
SupremekaiD5 2 months ago
@SupremekaiD5 What is the definition of Natural Born? ... Not native born. There is a difference. Though the White House is trying very had to make them one in the same. There is a reason our Founding Fathers specifically used the term "Natural Born". Look at some of their follow up years later and they actually define the term in their statements. Also the Supreme Court has commented on the definition. It is as I have stated before Born in USA of two citizen parents.
eturbo924 2 months ago
@eturbo924 the definition of nbc in usa is someone born within the jurisdiction of the usa there are only 2 types of citizens in the usa a natural born and naturalized someone born in the usa is automatically nbc which is what obama is. You birthers have been pushing this silliness for 3 years and have gotten no where
SupremekaiD5 2 months ago
@SupremekaiD5 Wrong as usual. Look at what they did to McCain... which Obama signed off on. haha... you just shot yourself in the foot. They pronounced him Natural Born specifically because he has "two citizen parents". Done! You loose! and the Great Obama did you in because he signed it! HAHAHA
eturbo924 2 months ago
@eturbo924 ooooo lmao wrong all the way mccain was born in panama last time i checked panama was not a state a part of the usa did you not remember that, thats why his parents were the second option, obama was born in hawaii which was a state apart of the usa oooo right in the groinds man.
SupremekaiD5 2 months ago
@SupremekaiD5 Pay attention here. I cant keep helping you out this way. Look at what they wrote and what Obama signed. They said that because he was born on soil owned or controlled by the USA and both were citizen parents he is "Natural Born" they ... congress... never held such a hearing on Obama... why do you think that is? Again you loose.
eturbo924 2 months ago
@eturbo924 On an USA Naval Base in other words.
eturbo924 2 months ago
@eturbo924 wrong the panama canal zone wasnt yet recognized as usa soil yet oh yea and john mccain ran in 2000 why was there no resolution then exactly he never needed one. Congress never held a hearing because obama was born in the states duhhh
SupremekaiD5 2 months ago 2
@eturbo924 now pay attention here mccain just needed one requirement to what obama said and that was his parents. Ohhh i know that hurts
SupremekaiD5 2 months ago
@SupremekaiD5 It hurts to know that people can just drink so much of the party line argument and spit it back out. Too bad you cant look past it and find the truth. Obama does not qualify per the original intent of the framers words. They used both Citizen and Natural Born citizen. If they meant the same thing... they would not have used both. Thus they do not and Obama does not qualify Per "Natural Born" at the time of the writting. Not the crap the Democrats are trying to rewrite now.
eturbo924 2 months ago
@eturbo924 Have you read all of SR 511? Of course not. But, taking the snip you mentioned, Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936, did the resolution say this was the ONLY way a person could be a natural born citizen? NO. If it was, that means that to be a NBC, a person would have had to be born on a U.S. military base in Panama in the year 1936. YOU'RE the one who's done!
GeorgiaKev 2 months ago
@GeorgiaKev Ah yeah again you twist it to the way you want to believe its meaning is. You believe because it does not list each and every way a person could possibly be a Natural Born citizen that it means anyone is a Natural Born citizen. So ... you are saying any anchor baby could become President of the USA one day. Any illegal immigrant could have a child here and one day that child could be president (legally)? If you believe that there is no hope for you or this country.
eturbo924 2 months ago
@eturbo924 yes an illegal imigrants can have a baby here and the baby can be one day president. Why do you think alot of people want to repeal the 14th amendent duhhh
SupremekaiD5 2 months ago
@eturbo924 When it comes to "twisting things to the way I want to believe it"......I hardly think that's a lesson I need from you after your selectively narrow interpretation of a non-binding Senate resolution. No, the Constitution does not even remotely define "natural born citizen". As such, it is open for interpretation. And it has long been accepted in this country that a citizen by birth is a natural born citizen. If you disagree, then you need to ask Congress to define NBC.
GeorgiaKev 2 months ago
@SupremekaiD5 No... there is Natural Born, Native Born and Naturalized.
Natural born is born on USA soil to two citizen parrents. That is what the Constitution says. "Natural Born". It does not define it... but at the time of the writting of the Constution the definition of "natural born" is as I wrote it above. There is no getting around that. You can say now it means some thing different... but now is not what is in question. It is what the framers of the Constition meant.
eturbo924 2 months ago
@eturbo924 wrong natural born citizen is somebody born here the constitution never defined it your just so desperately trying to assume that its parents, I now you and the birthers have a hard time grasping the facts take some tie to understand the truth. I know you birthers love to deny the truth but you cant let it go this far
SupremekaiD5 2 months ago
@SupremekaiD5 I grow tired of you not actually reading or investigating what I said. I said the Constitution says "Natural Born"... If did not say the Constitution defined it. I said as it was know "defined" at the time the Constitution was created. Sorry but if you would actually investigate what Natural Born means as of the date the Constitution was created you might just wake up and stop claiming I said some thing I did not.
eturbo924 2 months ago
@eturbo924 james madison -1789 james madison speech before the House It is an established maxim that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth however derives its force sometimes from place and sometimes from parentage, but in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States; it will therefore be unnecessary to investigate any other. Mr. Smith founds his claim upon his birthright; his ancestors were among the first settlers of that colony.
SupremekaiD5 2 months ago
@eturbo924 Natural born citizen is NOT defined by the Constitution, by SCOTUS, or by Congress. Now, let's follow your logic.....suppose a woman gets raped by a stranger in a Wal-Mart parking lot and becomes pregnant. The rapist is never caught. She chooses to have the baby, and some 40-50 years later, that child runs for president. Is he or she constitutionally eligible given the fact no one knows who his father was and thus we are uncertain of his father's citizenship?
GeorgiaKev 2 months ago
@eturbo924 james madison-1789 james madison speech before the House It is an established maxim that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth however derives its force sometimes from place and sometimes from parentage, but in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States; it will therefore be unnecessary to investigate any other. Mr. Smith founds his claim upon his birthright; his ancestors were among the first settlers of that colony.
SupremekaiD5 2 months ago
@SupremekaiD5 Article 2 section 1, In this clause and in Articles I, III, and IV, the Founding Fathers distinguished between “Citizen” and “natural born Citizen.” Per the Founders, while Senators and Representatives can be just “citizens,” the President must be a “natural born Citizen.” Natural Born is different than citizen... no way around it.
eturbo924 2 months ago
@eturbo924 It may interest you to know that SR 511 (that you loudly cite as evidence Obama isn't eligible to be POTUS) reads "Whereas the term `natural born Citizen', as that term appears in Article II, Section 1, is NOT DEFINED IN THE CONSTITUTION of the United States," Natural born citizen is not defined in the Constitution, and as such it is open to interpretation as to exactly what it means. Given that, it has been long-accepted that an NBC is a citizen by birth.
GeorgiaKev 2 months ago
@eturbo924 founding father clearly defines it
SupremekaiD5 2 months ago
@SupremekaiD5 Yes his Father does. It is complex to understand yes.
eturbo924 2 months ago
james madison the father of the constitution dont tell me you disagree with him
SupremekaiD5 2 months ago
@eturbo924 the race card really well yea i could play the race card out of all the 43 white presidents the half black/white guy with the silly name gets called into question all of a sudden there ya happy now
SupremekaiD5 2 months ago
@SupremekaiD5 Nicely done. Thought you would have tossed that one out sooner.
eturbo924 2 months ago
@eturbo924
Nope Natural Born Citizen by the Old English definition means Citizen By Birth.
No where is it defined as two parents. You seem to be either repeating incorrect information you heard or making it up as you go along.
The Fact a child born of a Citizen Mother on American soil is a Citizen By Birth.
He has been a Citizen since his Birth.
Have a Nice Day.
YTRedActed 2 months ago 2
@YTRedActed Ohy! Citizen doe not equal "Natural Born Citizen"
eturbo924 2 months ago
@YTRedActed Emerich de Vattel's 1758 treatise The Law of Nations (original French title: Le Droit du gens), stating that "The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country of parents who are citizens," was quoted in 1857 by Supreme Court justice Peter Vivian Daniel in a concurring opinion in Dred Scott v. Sandford,[17] as well as by Chief Justice Melville Fuller in 1898 in his dissenting opinion in United States v. Wong Kim Ark.[18]
eturbo924 2 months ago
@eturbo924
Great! That is so wonderful so you cite a racist decision and a dissenting racist opinion.
Interesting isn't it when race is involved people seem to depend on racist for their argument.
So you mean Obama isn't a Citizen?
Orphans are not Citizens?
Single parent Children are not Citizens?
I am sorry if you can not accept that a child born of an American Mother in the United States of American doesn't have the same rights as you because he is black.
YTRedActed 2 months ago
@YTRedActed There is the race card throw out for all to see! Nice going waited much to long for some one to throw it. Um... hmmm... never said he was not a citizen. I have said he is not a Natural Born Citizen. There is a difference if you choose to actually look into it.
Sorry there is a reason that the framers put "Natural Born Citizen" and not just Citizen. No matter what liberals want to say.
eturbo924 2 months ago
@eturbo924 when did i name call what are you talking about or are you just being deffensive because you know your wrong as usual and obama is a natural born citizen. There are only 2 types of citizens in this country a natural born and a naturalized citizen the founding fathers put citizen in the constitution because they themselves were not citizens seeing as the usa didnt exist when they were born so whatever agenda you have on obama isnt working sorry.
SupremekaiD5 2 months ago
@SupremekaiD5 Hmm... when you called me a birther. I believe that is name calling. I am not a birther. I am some one who believes in finding the truth. I research items and make my own decisions. I do not take one parties side over the other. Again I say this... The framers of the Constitution specifically put in "Natural Born Citizen" to mean some thing more than just Citizen. They were worried about dual allegiance thus and foreign influence. Born to two citizen parrents
eturbo924 2 months ago
@eturbo924
LOL I didn't throw it you did.
You think Dred Scott which was a racist decision that said African Americans were not and never could be Citizens and had no standing was a correct decision? Really that is I playing the race card?
Luckily the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments to the Constitution overturned this decision and its total ignorance.
Sorry but there are only two types of Citizens
Citizens by Birth and Naturalized Citizens.
Stay ignorant my friend.
YTRedActed 2 months ago
@YTRedActed Hmm. Wow. Cant look at what you know I was referring too and disregard the crap you know I was not. You know what I was talking about but instead you played the race card. There are Natural Born (two citizen parents), Native Born... simply born here and Naturalized. Sorry there are three. Since I am sure you are just going to say... no there are two. Lets agree to disagree and leave it at that.
eturbo924 2 months ago
@eturbo924 wron as usuial people born here are natural born citizens because they do not go through the naturalization process is it that hard for you to understand there are only 2 types of citizens.
SupremekaiD5 2 months ago
@SupremekaiD5 Again... I stand by what I have said over and over above. You have the right to your opinion. I just believe you are incorrect. If a court would step up and grow a set maybe we could put this to rest. No court has taken this challenge and let it proceed on the merits. Now you would claim that it is already settled. But with over half the country with some doubt... it should be settled. One way or another it will. Then we can chat again.
eturbo924 2 months ago
@eturbo924 oh and one ore thing when arnold swartznagger became the govenor of california remember there was concern about him being able to run for president they even wanted to pass legislation for hi to be elegible but they said the fact that he wasnt born here he cant be president and nothing was ever said about his parents needing to be citizens why exactly parents don't matter as long as your born here.
SupremekaiD5 2 months ago
@SupremekaiD5 Arnold is not a Natural Born Citizen. Thus does not qualify. Bringing up parents in his case makes no sense. He was not born here so who cares about his parents. Natural born... Born in this country to two citizen parents. Anyway I think we have beat this to death. Unless you want to argue that Kermit the Frog should be a NBC. :-)
eturbo924 2 months ago
@eturbo924 oh jesus you dont get of course arnold is not a natural born citizen he was born in austria. They were clearly saying arnold wasnt born here but if parents mattered they would of also said even if he was born here that his parents were not citizens of the usa but they never did and his father was a member of the nazi party. Where was kermit born lol.
SupremekaiD5 2 months ago
@eturbo924 now listen they tried to lie and say obama wasnt born here but then they started saying even if he was born here his dad was not a citizen of course thats a lie his father citizenship doesent matter yet arnold swartznagger they just said he wasnt born here why didnt they say same thing about his parents that even if he was born here his parents werent citizens. Exactly parents dont matter.
SupremekaiD5 2 months ago
@eturbo924 james madison -1789 james madison speech before the House It is an established maxim that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth however derives its force sometimes from place and sometimes from parentage, but in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States; it will therefore be unnecessary to investigate any other. Mr. Smith founds his claim upon his birthright; his ancestors were among the first settlers of that colony. explain this
SupremekaiD5 2 months ago
@eturbo924 oh yea and in your earlier post you admitted that parents dont matter
SupremekaiD5 1 month ago
@SupremekaiD5 Hu... you still coming back to this video after a month? Make sure you read who the author was and not who is being responded to. Two citizen parents is what I have always said. Anyway best of luck this fall.
eturbo924 1 month ago
@eturbo924 yea you admitted arnold swartznagger wasnt born here and admitted that his parents don matter basically you admitted parents dont matter as long as one is born here
SupremekaiD5 1 month ago
@SupremekaiD5 Nice try but... ah.... NOT. You can not split the two to fit your needs. I said he was not born her so his parents don't matter. Not his parents don't matter as a stand alone issue. Anyway as I said before agree to disagree or are you going to read over and over again until you find some thing else to twist? :-)
eturbo924 1 month ago
@eturbo924 no you tried twisting things you clearly knew what i asked about arnold why didnt they say that even if he was born here it wouldnt matter cause his parents werent citizens fact is they never did and you ignored the parents saying they dont matter since he wasnt born here you cant ignore his parents all of a sudden because he wasnt born here. I also told you bout previous presidents and candidates whos parents werent born here.
SupremekaiD5 1 month ago
@SupremekaiD5 All I can say to you is OHY VEY!
eturbo924 1 month ago
@eturbo924 and chester authur was president and his dad was from ireland and naturalized after he was born so parents dont matter.
SupremekaiD5 1 month ago
@eturbo924
Sorry but the Laws of the United States declare that a person born to an American Citizen is an American Citizen By Birth.
There are two types of Citizens
Citizens By Birth
Citizens By Naturalization.
There is not a super Citizen. This is the Law of the United States it is not an opinion it is the Law.
Your "A Natural Born Citizens means two Parents " Is opinion not Law.
That opinion based on a political philosophy Book not Law.
Show me the Law. Please.
YTRedActed 2 months ago
@eturbo924 your making no sense now the constitution does not define a nbc but your so desperate to try and define it. Natural born citizen is someone born within the jurisdiction of the usa period. So learn to grasp what im saying
SupremekaiD5 2 months ago
@eturbo924 de vattel law of nations is not the constitution stop the birther madness.
SupremekaiD5 2 months ago
@SupremekaiD5 Again with the name calling when you cant come up with anything smart to say. Sorry but that is what was common definition at the time. That is what the framers would have been using. Again... anyone reading can see I have over and over said the Constitution did not define it. So grow up and stop calling names and saying I said some thing I did not.
eturbo924 2 months ago
@eturbo924 theres no such thing as just citizen only natural and naturalized a natural born citizen is someone who was a citizen at birth a naturalized citizen is someone who had to go through the naturalization process to be a citizen obama never had to go through the process automatically making him a natural born citizen period. So you growup and learn basic facts of life and quit pouting like the birthers in this video.
SupremekaiD5 2 months ago
Sorry but elected legislators have the right to demand that others do their jobs. Their job is to qualify the candidates ... not to just take at some ones word that he is or is not what he says he is. Sorry but even to play sports kids need to provide basic paperwork to prove they are who they say they are. What are you afraid of? Let him prove it and then take away the argument. Unless you know he cant?
eturbo924 2 months ago
@eturbo924 Barack Obama HAS more than proven his U.S. citizenship. He released the standard short-form and even the LONG-FORM copy of his birth certificate both of which were certified by the State of Hawaii making them LEGAL DOCUMENTS. As such, any organization in the U.S. (business, non-profit, or gov't agency) is obligated to accept either of these documents as proof. And FYI, Obama is the ONLY president IN HISTORY to have produced his birth records. He's a U.S. citizen--GET OVER IT.
GeorgiaKev 2 months ago
@eturbo924
"Let him prove it "
He already did prove it, overwhelmingly. Name one other President that provided TWO certified birth certificates. He already provided twice as much proof than any other President has.
If you believe that Orly Taitz will ever accomplish anything other than failure, you're more of an idiot than she is.
arrrogantlyignorant 2 months ago
Out of 242 state representatives in New Hampshire, Taitiz was able to get five or six to support her "claim"? Pathetic.
GeorgiaKev 2 months ago
Michelle Bachmann must love NH State Rep. Susan Delemus, knowing there's actually a right-wing politician even crazier than she is!
GeorgiaKev 2 months ago
Birther circus.
kamalalovely 2 months ago