I logged on here on my daughter's computer. Had to say, I was stationed aboard the Lex from '81-'85. I was on the bridge when a plane failed to release on launch and hung off the flight deck, when an airman got sucked against the cage covering a jet intake, and other accidents, when I as a BM3. It horrified me to see it then, and does now. to trivialize that with some of these comments is awful.
I was Airman Oscar Aguilar. I worked in V-2 Catapults and Pry Fly from 1985 through 1988. I would like to get intouch with with some fellow shipmates of mine. I also have some group pictues that I personaly took on the flight deck during down time. I would like to share these photos. Please email me if you think you know me.
He was trying to turn to his left, ended up stalling the right wing deeper than the left, resulting in the onset of a spin to the right, not much he could do to avoid the tower but he did punch out too late.
@wdwatts you dont seem to value truism, honesty, integrity, or anything else, because honestly, you should go out and educated yourself from both sides before you attempt to act as if you know anything
@Briankey1960 Ha! So you've got that republican brain disease, do you? You actually believe you're free with the likes of Cheney and Rove monitoring your every move with warrantless wiretapping. Wake up, you pitiable fool. The republican wishes only to steal from your to line the pockets of the wealthy. Open your eyes man, and stop bowing before any pig in a uniform.
@humanbeer no, I actually work for a living, always have and I never mooch off the government. Nor do I expect to pay for illegal immigrants, free health care for losers, bail outs for banks who steal people's homes so they can get free money for the government. If you're going to bash politicians, at least understand what you're talking about. The democrats and Obama are the ones who are ruining this country, period.
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@wdwatts Really, because you sound like a hateful old whiteboy whose collection of green paper with presidents is cherished above all else. It must be awful to live your life in fear of all that which you can't understand, consumed by a raging jealousy for anyone that has something that you don't.
@humanbeer Hateful? I am happy and make myself so with no dependency on money, some false deity or anything else. I value truism, honesty, integrity, hard work and friendship. I fear nothing and jealousy isn't even in my vocabulary. Why you started such a hateful comment thread on a video that is meant only to serve as a reminder of the dangers our military face every day, is completely beyond me. I am sorry you are so angry at something but my comments and others here won't help you.
@humanbeer Oh yes, that scum Cheney and Bush! Yes, to ignorant self-indulgers they may have seemed a little forward thinking. I guess that whats happens to one after they have been dumbed down, made reliant upon the government, and are always expecting a Tootsie Pop to be shoved up their asses! Are you and intoxicologist perhaps liberal, useless pieces of shit scumbags! Hmmmmmm, thought so!
@wdwatts your lack of knowledge about your own countries history is saddening. the number of people killed and wars fought before you were even born to create your so called american dream is a shameful. you live in a country where the natives were killed and their land stolen so you could live somewhere. does that make you happy? slaves were traded so you could build your country without having to pay for it. trust me buddy in america, you are the immigrant.
@intoxicologist Oh ya! Coming from some limey bastard that just smacks of hipocracy. Slavery, murder, usurping of others lands, why, that sounds simply British! And my mother is Cherokee, you smarmy asshat!
@sakoshooter48 i never said the british were any better did i? i said his lack of knowledge about his own history is saddening. i have knowledge of british histories involvement in slave trading and empire building and it is shameful. you call me a smarmy asshat.that shows what kind of person you are , not me. if your mother is cherokee then i would expect you to have more respect for people and talk to them properly. what the british settlers did to the native indians was terrible so sorry.
@intoxicologist Certainly you did. Your remark stated that "your American dream is shameful." I replied by calling you a smarmy limey asshat! I stand by what I said. My mother and father taught me to turn the other cheek at the inconsequentials, and to meet head on with directness and force to purveyors of falsehoods and half truths. You met the criteria for both, deal with it.
@sakoshooter48 ok copy and paste the bit where i said that.
the american dream is shameful as is any notion of a british dream!!!
if i am a purveyor of falsehoods then copy and paste the lie i have told?
and if you quote me it was "the number of PEOPLE KILLED and WARS fought before you were even born to CREATE your so called american dream is a shameful"
you are the one now portraying half truths by only quoting half of what i say.
@sakoshooter48 like i said before. calling someone a smarmy LIMEY asshat assumes i am british sailor. but that says more about you than it does me. good luck mate i hope your mum is proud of you.
@intoxicologist You know tox, sometimes I wonder why people go out of their way to incite when they know it will bring the wolves calling. I happen to be a very proud American, proud of who we are and what we stand for in this place we call a world. I get very tired of people constantly demeaning and bashing us when our best intentions and solutions are constantly ridiculed. If not us, then who? We have always, and will always, stand to in the face of adversity. Are we perfect, I say hardly!
@intoxicologist Are you serious? It was a figure of speech and certainly not a threat. Certainly you are allowed any opinion you wish, certainly I am 'allowed' not to like your public opinion, and that being said, I am American and I have the given right of freedom of speech under the First Amendment of our Constitution. We just don't understand one another, that's all! I listened to enough American bashing at the Isle of Mann in 2007, didn't like it then, don't like it now!
@humanbeer WTF does an accident on an air craft carrier have to do with politics? This is just a flight accident you're being way too radical dumb ass
I saw this in the news years back. Apperantly according to the report, he was a black pilot attempting to land on a carrier for the first time. You can also see after the crash, a couple canopies are flying off on the left. These are from parked jets with pilots already in them and their trying to escape. There is another video of this showing the other pilots blowing out their canopies.
Thats a sad video alright. I have a freind, a very experienced (Rtd Lt Col) F4s, F111, F15s who said "You would never get me landing on one of them things..."..
was this on the Midway? My father was an LSO on the midway during the 80s, i wonder if he was there when this happened, he saw a lot of guys get killed doing stupid shit like this poor bastard
Damn! That scares me just watching it. A flight deck is one of the most dangerous places in the world. Life expectancy is only a few minutes for anyone not paying attention. So many things can happen besides an accident such as this. My heart goes out to those involved in this incident and the families of the deceased. The price we sometimes pay for freedom. RIP brothers, I salute all my fellow Vets.
Thank you for the nice comment. Yes, it's a dangerous environment. I flew F/A-18's off carriers and witnessed first hand how dangerous it is! Cheers, Kila
I remember this accident very well, We did the search and rescue for the Lady Lex. for the sailors that were blown off the ship. Happily 3 were rescued safely. If I remember right, it was the last training cruise this ship would see. That was a sad time at NAS Pcola. I salute all ya'll that was on-board during that evolution. All these years I always wondered what really happened, there was a lot of scuttle butt to sort through.The Lady Lex sure was a great ship.
@UncleSnaf - Thanks! I was on the hangar deck level, port side aft, on the rail, standing lookout. I'll never forget the screetch of the plane's engine. I looked up and saw the planes right wing, which, from my angle, only meant the worst. My first thought was the plane had hit a crane that was on that side, by the elevator. I was quickly relieved of watch to go back-up the firefighting efforts, which had basically already extinguished the fires. Very sad day in what were great years.
I spent years on the U.S.S. Forrestal. This pilot is so obviously low and slow. His only hope was to drop the nose and he raised it instead. He paid for the mistake with his life and the lives of 4 other people.
And what are you an expert surfrat59 at. How to such off the government like a leach, never working a day in your life except off of the taxpayers. Most of you dungs wouldn't last 2 weeks in the real world. Frickin government parasites.
What surfstat59, like you are the key supporter of Don't Ask Don't tell. You were bobbing up and down on your shipmate, producing seaman, when the MasterStewart came in and gave you a lesson. Douche.
Oh come on Megger, where is the spirit - Drone on after me. "Freedom isn't free (it is running about 1.1 trillion a year)", "they hate us because we are free", "if we don't fight them there we will fight them here", "Freedom is on the march (on of my person favorites from our alcoholic coke snorting DUI president)"..... Stick with the brainwashed program will you.
"83 women and 7 men stated that they had been victims of sexual assault and harassment during the Tailhook meeting"; reference Thompson II, Charles C. (1999). A Glimpse of Hell: The Explosion on the USS Iowa and Its Cover-Up. W. W. Norton. ISBN 0393047148. , p. 379380. The youngest was a 17 year old girl who was provided alcohol and had her clothes ripped from her when she was too intoxicated to react. Also, 7 men, makes the Village People singing "In the Navy" song all the more relevant.
I will dig it up, a 15-17 year old was given alcohol to the point of pass out, she had her cloths ripped off and she was passed down the hall way down a row of drunken "heros". If it were any other group, there would have been jail time along with registration in the sexual offender database.
You are right, she was 17. My mistake. And let's get something straight, you didn't do shit for my freedom. You did shit for Exxon's profits you dumbass. Go salute a gas station because that is what you were fighting for, increased corporate profits along with subsides and a massive tax cut. And thanks for the massive deficit dick head.
Nobody got raped at tailhook at any age. A female officer was "groped" and an admiral failed to do anything about it, so she took it further. Justice was served.
And whatever....how old are you, 10? I'll leave your comment, but if you resort to name calling and swearing, I'll delete anymore.
How does this statement mean you know anything. How come everyone states they had an assignment, it is suppose to mean they know all. It usually means they couldn't find a job in the real world, and they lived off of the public
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I agree, how did this guy get in the Navy and get to fly if his skills were so bad. Don't they have standards. It was like that pilot in Tennessee who crashed his second F14, he should have been grounded years prior but the navy just kept letting him fly. they talk of honor but is is about your butt buddy. He killed 7 people as I recall on the ground along with his RIO. I guess any service that allowed Tailhook to happen wasn't exactly the a place of standards, drunk and raping 15 yr olds.
1. Don't talk about things like that, that you know nothing about.
2. Nobody raped a 15 yr old at the '91 tailhook.
3. Naval aviators, who get selected for jets/carrier operations are the best in the world. But EVERYONE is human and can make mistakes.
I don't see YOU out there risking your life on the the most dangerous place in the world to work; the flight deck of a carrier. And yes, I DID do that for YOUR freedom.
Unfortunately the navy lowered standards for the pilot of this aircraft because he was an Academy grad. So many paid for this decision; he should have never been in control of anything faster than a golf cart.
Hi im airman Gurley if you look close at the aircraft spotters perch you will see a person run just before the planes intial hit.that was me,im looking for any one else who was there with me,Airman Mark Lopez especially he was burned severly,he leaves in Utah.I was in V-1 division.If any of my airman buddies are out there hit me up.ITS BEEN A LONG TIME
I was actually stationed onboard at the time of the accident (in Air Dept). He did infact eject from the plane. He ejected straight into the flight deck because the plane was inverted at the time.
A tragic video. The pilot, Steve, was a friend and company-mate at Annapolis. His younger brother was also an Annapolis grad and he died during the attack on the Pentagon on Sept 11, 2001. What a horrible price this family has paid in service to our country. Remember them in your prayers.
You were steves friend?im airman gurley i was probably the last 1 to see him alive.i was on the perch right before his wing hit.if you look closely at the video you will see me run right before the wing hits. i had nightmares for years after that.i remember who died,steve,tim garroutte,Kilgore,mayo,and brian corvelle a civilian contractor
I was a recruiting officer at the time of the accident and escorted a group of prospective naval aviation officers to Pcola. I showed them the damage to the Lex and the remains of the aircraft in the hanger & told them to be sure they were willing to face this. Never saw the video of the crash, heartbreaking. We took that in stride, part of the job. Now that my son is a sub officer and his gf is a stud NFO at Pcola it gives me a very sick feeling. Like us he assumed he was indestructible.
true story....if i am not mistaken, this was an accident on the USS Lexigton (now retired and on display in Corpus Christi). I just happen to tour the Lexigton and I saw this accident play over and over on some monitors. I asked why. I was told that the accident happed in '89 on the Lex and Ens Steven Ponsell was the pilot. Even more sad was the fact that his younger brother (about 10 years younger) died in the Pentegon on 9/11/01attack. The Lex now honors both brothers.
I remember this well. Ens Steven Ponsell was the pilot's name, and no, he did not eject, he was killed instantly along with several people on the USS Lexington. The nose of the aircraft got too high without sufficient airspeed resulting in a nasty tip stall. So sad, god rest their souls.
I was actually stationed onboard at the time of the accident (in Air Dept). He did infact eject from the plane. He ejected straight into the flight deck because the plane was inverted at the time.
Well it was just a matter of timing, because you can see in the video just as he inverts, his canopy blows downward but it does not show if the seat had time to eject before the impact in this view. What gets me is that when they told him to wave off, it looked to me like he would have been able to pass over the deck till he got erratic with the ailerons and flipped over. Very sad to watch for sure :-(
@StLouisEarl How on EARTH could this student pilot have EVER gotten this far without being properly evaluated? This was negligence on the part of the chain of command that should have properly assessed that student's rediness for a carrier landing. If I was in charge, I would have someone's jobs for that CATASTROPHY. I would lay 100 PERCENT of the blame on that student's instructor and the instructor's commanders. I don't care if it was an engine failure, they should have been better prepared.
@JetMechMA Well I suppose we will never know that answer, mainly because we WEREN"T THERE. One thing is for sure, no matter how many times you evaluate ANYTHING, there will ALWAYS be accidents.
@StLouisEarl WE WERE'NT THERE is not a valid response. The investigators weren't THERE. Saying that there will always be accidents is a defeatist attitude and is unacceptable in aviation. Crashes (not "accidents")...."CRASHES" are investigated and the cause found so the likelihood of a reoccurance is reduced as much as humanly possible. THAT's how it works.
We all learn from others mistakes. Every pilot looks at this and similar incidents and says it will never happen to them, until one day you're in next in line at the Pearly Gates. There are old pilots. There are bold pilots. But there are no old bold pilots. Low and slow, on the back side of the power required curve is no place to be on approach. You become your own test pilot, attempting something that's never been done successfully since the Wright Brothers invented the airplane.
I was onboard when this happened it was terrible. Fire broke out in the captians office. We had several civilians contractors onbaord I believe two of them were killed. I can remember as they brought one of the guys up from medical who was burnt beyond recognition to fly him off. We made a line in the hanger bay with backs turned if I remember correctly. There were alot of incidents that in 89' so many that the navy had a five day fleet wide safety stand down.
According to a Video from the Lex. The accident happen on the Lex it was a Kingsville bird. T-2's were and have been around for years. I controlled them while I was a controller in Beeville in the early to mid 80's. They also were a front line bird for some foreign countries...LOL They were removed in the latter 80's to early 90's when the T-45's were phased in to take the place of the TA-4J and the T-2C. I sure do miss the ole days of controlling them and the fun it gave me.
This looks and sounds like the crash that occured when I was in Advanced in Kingsville...so early '89. I believe they found that a linkage between the front and back seat throttles had been installed backwards and jammed when he pulled the throttles towards idle....if memory serves me correctly.
well, it all depends what "backwards" means. If the loop containing the throttle quadrant was looped improperly (i.e. backwards), it easily could have jammed the system.
I logged on here on my daughter's computer. Had to say, I was stationed aboard the Lex from '81-'85. I was on the bridge when a plane failed to release on launch and hung off the flight deck, when an airman got sucked against the cage covering a jet intake, and other accidents, when I as a BM3. It horrified me to see it then, and does now. to trivialize that with some of these comments is awful.
kiahna1223 1 day ago
At least the pilot never felt the fire, ejecting straight down into the deck like that he had to have been killed on impact.
Blain1971 2 months ago
I was Airman Oscar Aguilar. I worked in V-2 Catapults and Pry Fly from 1985 through 1988. I would like to get intouch with with some fellow shipmates of mine. I also have some group pictues that I personaly took on the flight deck during down time. I would like to share these photos. Please email me if you think you know me.
vikingofvalor 2 months ago
this is the fucking adverse yaw effect....
mochit1990 4 months ago
@baconVader Oooka booka! Seekrit Keyan mooooslim gonna come take all yer wite wimmen!
humanbeer 6 months ago
a very unfortunate incident.
graycloud057 7 months ago
Oh Goddess...
Bim0Mr 8 months ago
He was trying to turn to his left, ended up stalling the right wing deeper than the left, resulting in the onset of a spin to the right, not much he could do to avoid the tower but he did punch out too late.
PIlotrcm 9 months ago 2
@wdwatts you dont seem to value truism, honesty, integrity, or anything else, because honestly, you should go out and educated yourself from both sides before you attempt to act as if you know anything
theraven123456 10 months ago
It never ceases to amaze me how a video of a military training accident can spark such rediculous comments from both sides of a stupid argument.
xX3MINE3MXx 1 year ago
@Briankey1960 Ha! So you've got that republican brain disease, do you? You actually believe you're free with the likes of Cheney and Rove monitoring your every move with warrantless wiretapping. Wake up, you pitiable fool. The republican wishes only to steal from your to line the pockets of the wealthy. Open your eyes man, and stop bowing before any pig in a uniform.
humanbeer 1 year ago
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This is what happens when you let conservative scum like reagan and bushco run the country.
humanbeer 1 year ago
@humanbeer , the fact that you actually believe that tells us a lot about who you are. Totally wrong for one.....
wdwatts 1 year ago 5
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@wdwatts So you enjoy getting on your knees for anyone in a polyester shirt with a badge, eh?
humanbeer 1 year ago
@humanbeer no, I actually work for a living, always have and I never mooch off the government. Nor do I expect to pay for illegal immigrants, free health care for losers, bail outs for banks who steal people's homes so they can get free money for the government. If you're going to bash politicians, at least understand what you're talking about. The democrats and Obama are the ones who are ruining this country, period.
wdwatts 1 year ago
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@wdwatts Really, because you sound like a hateful old whiteboy whose collection of green paper with presidents is cherished above all else. It must be awful to live your life in fear of all that which you can't understand, consumed by a raging jealousy for anyone that has something that you don't.
humanbeer 1 year ago
@humanbeer Hateful? I am happy and make myself so with no dependency on money, some false deity or anything else. I value truism, honesty, integrity, hard work and friendship. I fear nothing and jealousy isn't even in my vocabulary. Why you started such a hateful comment thread on a video that is meant only to serve as a reminder of the dangers our military face every day, is completely beyond me. I am sorry you are so angry at something but my comments and others here won't help you.
wdwatts 1 year ago
@wdwatts And I'm merely pointing out that that danger is made worse by the crimes and treachery of conservative scum like bush and cheney.
humanbeer 1 year ago
@humanbeer Oh yes, that scum Cheney and Bush! Yes, to ignorant self-indulgers they may have seemed a little forward thinking. I guess that whats happens to one after they have been dumbed down, made reliant upon the government, and are always expecting a Tootsie Pop to be shoved up their asses! Are you and intoxicologist perhaps liberal, useless pieces of shit scumbags! Hmmmmmm, thought so!
sakoshooter48 9 months ago
@wdwatts your lack of knowledge about your own countries history is saddening. the number of people killed and wars fought before you were even born to create your so called american dream is a shameful. you live in a country where the natives were killed and their land stolen so you could live somewhere. does that make you happy? slaves were traded so you could build your country without having to pay for it. trust me buddy in america, you are the immigrant.
intoxicologist 1 year ago
@intoxicologist Oh ya! Coming from some limey bastard that just smacks of hipocracy. Slavery, murder, usurping of others lands, why, that sounds simply British! And my mother is Cherokee, you smarmy asshat!
sakoshooter48 9 months ago
@sakoshooter48 i never said the british were any better did i? i said his lack of knowledge about his own history is saddening. i have knowledge of british histories involvement in slave trading and empire building and it is shameful. you call me a smarmy asshat.that shows what kind of person you are , not me. if your mother is cherokee then i would expect you to have more respect for people and talk to them properly. what the british settlers did to the native indians was terrible so sorry.
intoxicologist 9 months ago
@intoxicologist Certainly you did. Your remark stated that "your American dream is shameful." I replied by calling you a smarmy limey asshat! I stand by what I said. My mother and father taught me to turn the other cheek at the inconsequentials, and to meet head on with directness and force to purveyors of falsehoods and half truths. You met the criteria for both, deal with it.
sakoshooter48 9 months ago
@sakoshooter48 ok copy and paste the bit where i said that.
the american dream is shameful as is any notion of a british dream!!!
if i am a purveyor of falsehoods then copy and paste the lie i have told?
and if you quote me it was "the number of PEOPLE KILLED and WARS fought before you were even born to CREATE your so called american dream is a shameful"
you are the one now portraying half truths by only quoting half of what i say.
intoxicologist 9 months ago
@sakoshooter48 like i said before. calling someone a smarmy LIMEY asshat assumes i am british sailor. but that says more about you than it does me. good luck mate i hope your mum is proud of you.
intoxicologist 9 months ago
@intoxicologist You know tox, sometimes I wonder why people go out of their way to incite when they know it will bring the wolves calling. I happen to be a very proud American, proud of who we are and what we stand for in this place we call a world. I get very tired of people constantly demeaning and bashing us when our best intentions and solutions are constantly ridiculed. If not us, then who? We have always, and will always, stand to in the face of adversity. Are we perfect, I say hardly!
sakoshooter48 9 months ago
its just my opinion based on reading many books and studying american history........ i am allowed to have it.
for me i wonder why you have decided to include this wolves coming to my door threat.
intoxicologist 9 months ago
@intoxicologist Are you serious? It was a figure of speech and certainly not a threat. Certainly you are allowed any opinion you wish, certainly I am 'allowed' not to like your public opinion, and that being said, I am American and I have the given right of freedom of speech under the First Amendment of our Constitution. We just don't understand one another, that's all! I listened to enough American bashing at the Isle of Mann in 2007, didn't like it then, don't like it now!
sakoshooter48 9 months ago
@humanbeer its people like you that ruin this country. if you can't already tell, no one likes you. hence you have a fuckton of negative votes
aNavalAviator 6 months ago
@aNavalAviator And we're going to keep right on breeding the tea bagging scum right out of the gene pool! Ooooka Boooka!
humanbeer 6 months ago
@humanbeer dude you should really get out of the basement more.
aNavalAviator 4 months ago
@humanbeer WTF does an accident on an air craft carrier have to do with politics? This is just a flight accident you're being way too radical dumb ass
AC130EMPYREAL 3 months ago
@humanbeer You ignorant moron. How about remembering the dead on Lex instead of your stupid comments. I'n sure you could care less about them...
fuzzypony 2 months ago
My uncle mark Ballor was on the aircraft carrier on of the guys by the crash.
JeffreyBallor 1 year ago
I saw this in the news years back. Apperantly according to the report, he was a black pilot attempting to land on a carrier for the first time. You can also see after the crash, a couple canopies are flying off on the left. These are from parked jets with pilots already in them and their trying to escape. There is another video of this showing the other pilots blowing out their canopies.
beerborn 1 year ago
typical adverse yaw, slow, stick and pedal same side
joanllabres1234567 1 year ago
Thats a sad video alright. I have a freind, a very experienced (Rtd Lt Col) F4s, F111, F15s who said "You would never get me landing on one of them things..."..
Motoguzzi750 1 year ago
was this on the Midway? My father was an LSO on the midway during the 80s, i wonder if he was there when this happened, he saw a lot of guys get killed doing stupid shit like this poor bastard
DaytonaRoadster 1 year ago
Remind me to never go on vulture's row ever again.
danieldeibler 1 year ago
most dangerous highway on earth so true
epiphonel100 1 year ago
Damn! That scares me just watching it. A flight deck is one of the most dangerous places in the world. Life expectancy is only a few minutes for anyone not paying attention. So many things can happen besides an accident such as this. My heart goes out to those involved in this incident and the families of the deceased. The price we sometimes pay for freedom. RIP brothers, I salute all my fellow Vets.
StLouisEarl 2 years ago 2
Thank you for the nice comment. Yes, it's a dangerous environment. I flew F/A-18's off carriers and witnessed first hand how dangerous it is! Cheers, Kila
wdwatts 2 years ago
I remember this accident very well, We did the search and rescue for the Lady Lex. for the sailors that were blown off the ship. Happily 3 were rescued safely. If I remember right, it was the last training cruise this ship would see. That was a sad time at NAS Pcola. I salute all ya'll that was on-board during that evolution. All these years I always wondered what really happened, there was a lot of scuttle butt to sort through.The Lady Lex sure was a great ship.
UncleSnaf 2 years ago
@UncleSnaf - Thanks! I was on the hangar deck level, port side aft, on the rail, standing lookout. I'll never forget the screetch of the plane's engine. I looked up and saw the planes right wing, which, from my angle, only meant the worst. My first thought was the plane had hit a crane that was on that side, by the elevator. I was quickly relieved of watch to go back-up the firefighting efforts, which had basically already extinguished the fires. Very sad day in what were great years.
777pusher 1 year ago
I spent years on the U.S.S. Forrestal. This pilot is so obviously low and slow. His only hope was to drop the nose and he raised it instead. He paid for the mistake with his life and the lives of 4 other people.
pancurium 2 years ago
Ouch. I didn't know them, but I care for them. dying while trying. rest in peace.
JFDhater 2 years ago
Did the pilot try and eject inverted @ 20 secs?
Nerdattak 2 years ago
Yes. He hesitated, something you can't do in Naval Aviation, and paid the price.
wdwatts 2 years ago
That poor bastard must have shit his pants just before he was blown out of them.
northvictory 2 years ago
And what are you an expert surfrat59 at. How to such off the government like a leach, never working a day in your life except off of the taxpayers. Most of you dungs wouldn't last 2 weeks in the real world. Frickin government parasites.
meggerhatter 3 years ago 4
What surfstat59, like you are the key supporter of Don't Ask Don't tell. You were bobbing up and down on your shipmate, producing seaman, when the MasterStewart came in and gave you a lesson. Douche.
alkin1000 3 years ago 3
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I love how all of the commie fags come out of the woodwork to comment on things they know nothing about.....
surfstrat59 3 years ago
Oh come on Megger, where is the spirit - Drone on after me. "Freedom isn't free (it is running about 1.1 trillion a year)", "they hate us because we are free", "if we don't fight them there we will fight them here", "Freedom is on the march (on of my person favorites from our alcoholic coke snorting DUI president)"..... Stick with the brainwashed program will you.
alkin1000 3 years ago
Liberals: The shining stars of peace, love and understanding.....
yzf600fl 2 years ago
"83 women and 7 men stated that they had been victims of sexual assault and harassment during the Tailhook meeting"; reference Thompson II, Charles C. (1999). A Glimpse of Hell: The Explosion on the USS Iowa and Its Cover-Up. W. W. Norton. ISBN 0393047148. , p. 379380. The youngest was a 17 year old girl who was provided alcohol and had her clothes ripped from her when she was too intoxicated to react. Also, 7 men, makes the Village People singing "In the Navy" song all the more relevant.
meggerhatter 3 years ago
I will dig it up, a 15-17 year old was given alcohol to the point of pass out, she had her cloths ripped off and she was passed down the hall way down a row of drunken "heros". If it were any other group, there would have been jail time along with registration in the sexual offender database.
alkin1000 3 years ago
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You are right, she was 17. My mistake. And let's get something straight, you didn't do shit for my freedom. You did shit for Exxon's profits you dumbass. Go salute a gas station because that is what you were fighting for, increased corporate profits along with subsides and a massive tax cut. And thanks for the massive deficit dick head.
Bob "Dick" Inyrmouth, PGA(MIA)
alkin1000 3 years ago
Nobody got raped at tailhook at any age. A female officer was "groped" and an admiral failed to do anything about it, so she took it further. Justice was served.
And whatever....how old are you, 10? I'll leave your comment, but if you resort to name calling and swearing, I'll delete anymore.
Have a nice day in la la land.
wdwatts 3 years ago 6
I was stationed at 32nd St working out of the PAO. These morons don't know what they are talking about.
sataraid 3 years ago
How does this statement mean you know anything. How come everyone states they had an assignment, it is suppose to mean they know all. It usually means they couldn't find a job in the real world, and they lived off of the public
alkin1000 3 years ago
@alkin1000 Liberal piece of crap, i offloaded in your momma's ass.
surchris 1 year ago
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I agree, how did this guy get in the Navy and get to fly if his skills were so bad. Don't they have standards. It was like that pilot in Tennessee who crashed his second F14, he should have been grounded years prior but the navy just kept letting him fly. they talk of honor but is is about your butt buddy. He killed 7 people as I recall on the ground along with his RIO. I guess any service that allowed Tailhook to happen wasn't exactly the a place of standards, drunk and raping 15 yr olds.
alkin1000 3 years ago
1. Don't talk about things like that, that you know nothing about.
2. Nobody raped a 15 yr old at the '91 tailhook.
3. Naval aviators, who get selected for jets/carrier operations are the best in the world. But EVERYONE is human and can make mistakes.
I don't see YOU out there risking your life on the the most dangerous place in the world to work; the flight deck of a carrier. And yes, I DID do that for YOUR freedom.
Wayne "Kila" Watts, USN (RET)
wdwatts 3 years ago
Good answer.
Crocfan20 3 years ago
Amen to that.. thanks for your service!
Monk2be 3 years ago
Too bad his training didn't include the relevant fact that you eject facing the sky, not the deck.......
meggerhatter 3 years ago
Unfortunately the navy lowered standards for the pilot of this aircraft because he was an Academy grad. So many paid for this decision; he should have never been in control of anything faster than a golf cart.
meggerhatter 3 years ago
Hi im airman Gurley if you look close at the aircraft spotters perch you will see a person run just before the planes intial hit.that was me,im looking for any one else who was there with me,Airman Mark Lopez especially he was burned severly,he leaves in Utah.I was in V-1 division.If any of my airman buddies are out there hit me up.ITS BEEN A LONG TIME
catrina0331 3 years ago
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I was actually stationed onboard at the time of the accident (in Air Dept). He did infact eject from the plane. He ejected straight into the flight deck because the plane was inverted at the time.
Chiickad33 3 years ago
~hey boys~
danstanson 3 years ago
A tragic video. The pilot, Steve, was a friend and company-mate at Annapolis. His younger brother was also an Annapolis grad and he died during the attack on the Pentagon on Sept 11, 2001. What a horrible price this family has paid in service to our country. Remember them in your prayers.
Annapolis88 3 years ago 2
True. Lets hope we never forget. Thanks for your service. Stay safe out there.
gtc1961 3 years ago
You were steves friend?im airman gurley i was probably the last 1 to see him alive.i was on the perch right before his wing hit.if you look closely at the video you will see me run right before the wing hits. i had nightmares for years after that.i remember who died,steve,tim garroutte,Kilgore,mayo,and brian corvelle a civilian contractor
catrina0331 3 years ago
Did you know Mayo? I knew her as a kid if were talking about the same girl. Her father and I were stationed together in a VR squadron circa 1980.
WillyVictor 2 years ago
I was a recruiting officer at the time of the accident and escorted a group of prospective naval aviation officers to Pcola. I showed them the damage to the Lex and the remains of the aircraft in the hanger & told them to be sure they were willing to face this. Never saw the video of the crash, heartbreaking. We took that in stride, part of the job. Now that my son is a sub officer and his gf is a stud NFO at Pcola it gives me a very sick feeling. Like us he assumed he was indestructible.
gstange 3 years ago
I was staying in Gulf Breeze Florida right about the time that happened!
Tragic!
I was investigating the Gulf Breeze ufo sightings even got to talk to Ed Walkers on the phone. It was an eventful time!
escueladeleyi 3 years ago
true story....if i am not mistaken, this was an accident on the USS Lexigton (now retired and on display in Corpus Christi). I just happen to tour the Lexigton and I saw this accident play over and over on some monitors. I asked why. I was told that the accident happed in '89 on the Lex and Ens Steven Ponsell was the pilot. Even more sad was the fact that his younger brother (about 10 years younger) died in the Pentegon on 9/11/01attack. The Lex now honors both brothers.
TXRO72 3 years ago
oh fuck he ejected into the carrier
DrunkTr33 3 years ago
I remember this well. Ens Steven Ponsell was the pilot's name, and no, he did not eject, he was killed instantly along with several people on the USS Lexington. The nose of the aircraft got too high without sufficient airspeed resulting in a nasty tip stall. So sad, god rest their souls.
andernamen 3 years ago
I was actually stationed onboard at the time of the accident (in Air Dept). He did infact eject from the plane. He ejected straight into the flight deck because the plane was inverted at the time.
Chiickad33 3 years ago 2
Well it was just a matter of timing, because you can see in the video just as he inverts, his canopy blows downward but it does not show if the seat had time to eject before the impact in this view. What gets me is that when they told him to wave off, it looked to me like he would have been able to pass over the deck till he got erratic with the ailerons and flipped over. Very sad to watch for sure :-(
StLouisEarl 2 years ago
@StLouisEarl How on EARTH could this student pilot have EVER gotten this far without being properly evaluated? This was negligence on the part of the chain of command that should have properly assessed that student's rediness for a carrier landing. If I was in charge, I would have someone's jobs for that CATASTROPHY. I would lay 100 PERCENT of the blame on that student's instructor and the instructor's commanders. I don't care if it was an engine failure, they should have been better prepared.
JetMechMA 1 year ago
@JetMechMA Well I suppose we will never know that answer, mainly because we WEREN"T THERE. One thing is for sure, no matter how many times you evaluate ANYTHING, there will ALWAYS be accidents.
StLouisEarl 1 year ago
@StLouisEarl WE WERE'NT THERE is not a valid response. The investigators weren't THERE. Saying that there will always be accidents is a defeatist attitude and is unacceptable in aviation. Crashes (not "accidents")...."CRASHES" are investigated and the cause found so the likelihood of a reoccurance is reduced as much as humanly possible. THAT's how it works.
JetMechMA 1 year ago
this was in 89 it looks like 1932
gregdog550 3 years ago
thats sad :(
CrazyOrchDork 3 years ago
thats sad :(
CrazyOrchDork 3 years ago 2
We all learn from others mistakes. Every pilot looks at this and similar incidents and says it will never happen to them, until one day you're in next in line at the Pearly Gates. There are old pilots. There are bold pilots. But there are no old bold pilots. Low and slow, on the back side of the power required curve is no place to be on approach. You become your own test pilot, attempting something that's never been done successfully since the Wright Brothers invented the airplane.
thgr8waldopepper 3 years ago
I was onboard when this happened it was terrible. Fire broke out in the captians office. We had several civilians contractors onbaord I believe two of them were killed. I can remember as they brought one of the guys up from medical who was burnt beyond recognition to fly him off. We made a line in the hanger bay with backs turned if I remember correctly. There were alot of incidents that in 89' so many that the navy had a five day fleet wide safety stand down.
jgibbons2 4 years ago
I remember that stand down.
sab73MGB 3 years ago
those "canisters" are the canopies of other jets on the flight deck, emergency jettisoning so they can get out before the fire hits them
navymoleman 4 years ago 2
Yep!
wdwatts 4 years ago
what are those tumbling canisters at the very end? The look like identical thingees but what are they?
Defender78 4 years ago
In another video angle you just see a lump of meat on fire roll across the right side of the deck where the jets were that he hit.
Sreybk 4 years ago
damn looks like the pilot panicked and lost his/her bearings
cypris2002 4 years ago
no it was a Vmc rollover. basically the pilot got behind the thrust curve, and the aircraft didnt fly any more and rolled over.
3timesifuletme 4 years ago
Nose attitude too high and he stalled it and the plane pitched over. That was one of the worst carrier accidents I've ever seen.
gtc1961 3 years ago
fuck =|
poupasamarelo 4 years ago
fuck!! the pilot ejected when the plane was inverted!!
gio31brasil 4 years ago
pilot did not eject he died upon impact. I was onboard at the time Oct 89.
jgibbons2 4 years ago
hey friend,pay atention at 19 sec....we can see the pilot ejecting
gio31brasil 4 years ago
We were told he did not eject. The canopy may have blown off but his body was still in the plane.
jgibbons2 4 years ago
so he tried to do it,but didn't have time,only the canopy blow up but the sit didn't got out the plane...but he tried!!
gio31brasil 4 years ago
Yep.. looks like the plane was inverted at the time and the pilot blown downwards into the deck during ejection.
snoobeagle 3 years ago
Were you on the deck?
StLouisEarl 2 years ago
T-2C Buckeye, BuNo. 158876, USS Lexington, VT-19, US Navy, crashed on 29th October 1989
Crash remains were in our hangar at VT-10 in Pensacola after the accident
therealblutooncrack 4 years ago
I remember VT-19, they were attached to NAS Meridian along with the 2 squadrons I worked in which was VT-7 & VT-9.
StLouisEarl 2 years ago
According to a Video from the Lex. The accident happen on the Lex it was a Kingsville bird. T-2's were and have been around for years. I controlled them while I was a controller in Beeville in the early to mid 80's. They also were a front line bird for some foreign countries...LOL They were removed in the latter 80's to early 90's when the T-45's were phased in to take the place of the TA-4J and the T-2C. I sure do miss the ole days of controlling them and the fun it gave me.
LoveablePuggyMan 4 years ago
I didn't think the T-2 was even around back then, we never saw them on the ship until after '98, because they still flew TA-4's and T-45's.
gus9890 4 years ago
That was Steve Pontrell in hmm I would say late 80s early 90s.
hudge28 4 years ago
Yeah, that's the October 1989 accident. 5 deaths, the pilot and 4 on the deck.
In a terrible irony I had heard that the pilot's younger brother was killed at the Pentagon on 9/11.
bellmd 4 years ago
Damn that really sucks.
StLouisEarl 2 years ago
This looks and sounds like the crash that occured when I was in Advanced in Kingsville...so early '89. I believe they found that a linkage between the front and back seat throttles had been installed backwards and jammed when he pulled the throttles towards idle....if memory serves me correctly.
rodgers32 4 years ago
if they had been installed backwards (the throttle) he would have never made it off the carrier and into the air....
Defender78 4 years ago
well, it all depends what "backwards" means. If the loop containing the throttle quadrant was looped improperly (i.e. backwards), it easily could have jammed the system.
BQZip01 4 years ago
@rodgers32 How'd they get airborn is that was the case? Doesn't sound right to me.
JetMechMA 1 year ago
I don't remember.....they showed this video to us at Naval Aviation Safety Officer school when I went through. My guess is it's in the 70's.
wdwatts 4 years ago
when did this happen? I was in a VT squadron from 83-86.
madeirabchmike 4 years ago
What Squadron? I was in VT7 & VT9
StLouisEarl 2 years ago