@mnmcv1 I just happen to disagree with you and don't like shiester's making money off The Carpenter's good name with lies spread by gullable suckers like you.You just had to get the last word in and you think that by calling me crazy you win the arguement.YOU are the weird one,you'll do anything to try to make yourself look like you didn't lose an arguement.I notice you were hoping I wouldn't see this you coward.If all you're going to do is call people names ,why don't you shut up.
@mnmcv1 I don't even like coming to this channel.The only reason that I have is because you and 2 other chumps keep pulling me back here with you're erroneous arguments-check the record fool. And by the way,which one of my "rants" are insane?Every word is the truth unlike you're gullible b.s.If you just have to get the last word in,and I know you do,be my guest,because nobody's dragging me back to this stupid channel only to appear that your insinuation has some creedence which it doesn't.
Some of you people let one shiester named Randy formulate all these intense fantasies who is just trying to make money off Karen's early death by creating a scapegoat to blame it on.This is one of the oldest con artist tricks around and if you can't recognize it for what it really is,then you really should shut-up.You're hurting Karen's memory,her family and making fools and jerks of yourselves!
@valkour22 Name 3 within 10 minutes without outside research.An instumental pop hit has always been rarer than an eclipse of the sun.I seriuosly doubt you can name 1 besdies Classical Gas off the top of your head.Big hits are practically non-exsistent in pop.Jazz is insrtumental music mostly,that's probably the biggest and most obvious between the 2.I'm sure you can't remenber the few old instrumental tunes that were before your come so please don't bother to try to bluff me out.
@rematpac sleepwalk one of the biggest of all time. 5th of beethoven by walter murphy a huge hit in the 70's,Moby Dick by Led Zeppelin, eruption by Van halen, Sisters by Steve Vai, and thats off top of my head
@valkour22 Karen Carpenter never made a solo instrumental in her life,so what's the relevance to anything I said at all???!!! You really are getting so desparate ,you're becoming totally confused and are shooting off completely senseless statements!
@valkour22 And now within the last few minutes before I can even respond back,you quickly start naming off those rare insrtumentals.Your response times are all recorded for us both to see.Did you suddenly realize how stupid of a comment you 1st made without thinkihg and quickly anticipate my obvious response to save face?I never got those last 2 comments from you before I started mine.Either the computer was slow or you're not a 1 finger typist like me.
@valkour22 No that is not off the top of your head,it is 17 hours later.Check the time.I'm not trying to pick on you.I don't mind arguinhg with you,but please but more accurate and state a supposition,not just meaningless facts.I can't read your mind.I've never claimed to be an expert on The Carpenters,but I do know a lot more than the avaerage person because their one of my favorites and I pretty much know b.s. about them when I hear it and there's al lot of that going around lately.
No that's not off the top of your head,it's 17 hours later,check the time,and I named 1 for you giving you a chance to just name 2 more on your next immediate comment last night.And how am I suppossed to answer to simple stated facts with no supposition stated or the meaning of the facts or an arguement drawn from them?If it means that much to you to win an arguement here,do some research.I've never claimed to be an EXPERT on The Carpenters,we both might learn something new.
This was obviously the best song on the album and people need to stop judging the whole album by this one song.Still in Love with You and If I Had You were distant 2nd and 3rd best.Most of the rest of the songs were far below par of almost the entire volume of music that came out on their 1st 4 albums,some of the most ingenously accessible brilliant songs ever recorded.People that don't know this basic knowledge need to quit helping the crooked Randy from changing history and making money.
The execs were hoping that Karen would possibly bring back those golden years and the huge cash cow it represented to them.They were being foolish expecting such a miracle with their greed.When this album didn't naturally measure up to their past unique greatness,naturally they were disappointed.It may have been o.k for it's time,but it came out when pop music had died.How would anyone rate this album against their 1st 4 on a scale of 1 to 10?Your judging the whole album by it's best o.k 3 songs
You people with the top comments are full of yourselves.Go back and listen to The Carpenters 1st 4 albums.The beauty of the songs from those 1st 4 remarkable albums will most likely never be duplicated in pop music for the rest of time.Those 1st 4 miracles of music made The Carpenters the biggest selling artists of the 70's,the greatest decade(the 1st half) of all time for pop music.When Richard dropped the ball with his addiction,their music and popularity plummeted.
WOW. actually a bit frightening. The worst part is, this all just further proved that you ARE unbalanced. Okay, umm, yeah, you really scared me with your knowledge, I'll delete the profile i've had for years because of you. You really just said all that. Read it back. I'm honestly done, not because you "proved" anything about Karen Carpenter (you proved ZERO), but because you're actually kinda creeping me out. Uh, congratulations? I guess this will be an important milestone in your life...lol
@mnmcv1 You're just trying to save face.If anyone really cares about what your implying,they simply have to read any of my comments and they know your lying.Hey,I made a rhyme! There I just helped you out.A person could just read this silly post and think there's a possibility your accusations are true if anyone really cares.And I guess your making a little sense.The fact that I proved you proved ZERO,doesn't mean I proved anything about Karen at all,just your comments.
I write a lot about The Carpenters because they changed my life.Their 1st hit Close to You turned me on to pop music when I was a very young child.I don't mind having intelligent conversations about them ,but I naturally get a little heated when phoney people put out false information about them and pretend to know things that they don't .It's an insult to their legacy,music,and a lot of people's intelligence.Notice how they make outrageous claims and insult you when asked to back them up.
But the joke's on me for wasting so much time on people who won't listen to reason,only the broken record playing over and over again in their head.The point is,this was a good song off a good album that probably should have been released.The fact that it wasn't didn't change pop music history and wasn't some evil conspiracy by the people closest to Karen,cared about her,and helped make her a star and were supposedly jealous of this record.They had a different opinion at the time,that's all.
@mnmcv1 You think by calling me unbalanced that makes it an established fact because YOU put it in print.I try to write things based on facts ,you create fantasies and act like their facts.For example,this book I'm supposedly obsessed on I've never read or even seen.You are the one obsessed by the claims I've heard espoused by this opinionated book apparently written in much the same style as your comments.Your 1st comment was probably obvous and whether it came before the book,prove it!
@mnmcv1 I state my facts thoroughly so they can be understood by whoever's reading them..You aviod stating facts altogether and just make claims never with any explanation or evidence to back them up,but just expect people to believe whatever you write just because you wrote it.Right now I would say that puts your credibility and everything you say at zero.,You don't state your 1st claim nor do you give us the date of when the book came out that you falsely claim that I've read.You simply lie.
@mnmcv1 Another lie! You don't regret writing to me because you think I'm unbalanced,you regret it because I'm a big fan of The Carpenters and I verbally tore you to shreds for everyone to see and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it except disappear or change your name if it bothers you.You realize now,your tactic of spewing out more lies or insulting me only digs yourself into a deeper hole and backfires on you and exposes you.I suggest you disappear for a while,wht else can you do?
@mnmcv1 Never challenge someone who you only pretend to know something about.What you call unbalanced,I call burying someone who pushes propaganda.Now I've exposed you on so many lies tonight,I'm too tired to try to count them all.And one more I almost forgot.If the familly's whole intention was to make Richard a star,why did they finally convince Karen to stop playing drums and take center stage full time with the camera always on her and bury Richard back with the rest of the band ?
I can only hope that I suceeded in shutting these 2 obsessed people up by pointing out their obvious falacies and revealing them for the fools they've been.But don't count on it ,they may continue to get my comments blocked and keep repeating their worn out jargon and making false accusations about my comments thinking nobody reads them just because they got them hidden.They don't even realize when a person's comment is blocked it only motivates more people to read them out of curiosity!
@rematpac- you posted a bunch of rambling, contradictory nonsense & then pat yourself on the back with "I can only hope I've suceeded (your misspelling, not mine) in shutting up these 2 obsessed people up by BLAH BLAH BLAH.." Anyone reading your incoherent babbling will know the only fool you've exposed is yourself. And WHO is "getting your comments blocked"? Paranoid much? This is a joke.
PS- my initial comment on this thread was posted BEFORE that book you're stuck on even came out. Fool.
@mnmcv1 You call what I write babbling only because it contradicts your lies and half truths.Just because I didn't check my spelling is the worst thing you can say about me.Pathetic.As far as getting comments blocked,I simply don't understand how the system works,but I do know people abuse it .For example,comments made by another unscrupulous person get blocked everywhere,but the short little comments written by other people having nothing to do with it stuck between them get blocked also???
@mnmcv1 You lied again.That's all you can do since you really know nothing about The Carpenters and just selectively believe what sounds good to you that some other know-nothing says.I checked up on when the book came out -OVER A YEAR AGO,and there was lots of talk about it's coming content everywhere months before it was released!
To be more specific,Improvguru and mnmcv1 are hopeless mental cases.If you don't believe me,just go to their websites and start reading if your into wasting time.Unfortunately youtube cannot screen internet nusances unless they violate specific stated rules of misconduct.If they comment to you ,my best advice is to ignore them,for your own sake,and maybe they will finally go away.Unfortunately people have got mixed up into their endless tirades before realizing they were just wasting their time
Isn't it strange how most the intelligent comments on this site get too many negative votes and blocked while most of the idiotic comments written by 2 mentally obsessed people ,who read a recent ,controversial ,well known book about The Carpenters stay up except when they make a comment accidently embaracing themselves they'd rather not have people see.If you read ALL the comments you'll easily conclude that this site is mostly run by 2 serious mental cases that should change their names!
(cont. again)...project killed. & can anyone show me ANYTHING that ANYONE has ever said that was positive about their mother, besides Richard? I don't want to demonize him- the man has done plenty of good in public work and i truly believe he loved Karen (still does), but the facts remain. Even if he had been supportive, perhaps things would've turned out the same. Sadly, we'll never know. What a shame. I hope Karen knows her labor of love did see the light of day. And yes, it IS a good album.
@mnmcv1 We all know a book was already written on this by someone else,all you're doing is stealing someone else's comments.It was written by a guy who never personally knew The Carpenters and he tried to make it as controversial as possible to sell as many books and make as much money as he could.It's been done millions of times.Autors know there's always suckers like you who will eat up every word of it and invent a purpose in life for yourself by enlightening others which helps sales.SHUT-UP!
(cont.)...there was a dysfunctional dynamic in Karen's relationship with her family. Someone here posted Richard didnt support this album but was "just a musician" and couldnt stop its release. Really? He was at the L.A. meeting with Herb Alpert and Jerry Moss and chimed in his disapproval. In front of Olivia he told Karen she had "stolen" the Carpenters sound. According to everyone he was ready to get back to work following his addiction treatment and intent on seeing this...(cont. again)
wow, just read through some of the comments here since i last posted, particularly from that misguided rematpac person. Someone else posted something that Richard knew people would speak "untruths"...so basically, EVERYONE who knew Karen besides Richard is lying? Frenda Franklin, Evelyn Wallace, Phil & Itchie Ramone, Olivia Newton John, EVERYBODY? They're all part of some master cover-up? It's ridiculous. There's almost UNIVERSAL agreement among Karen's friends and intimates that...(cont.)
@mnmcv1 Wrong again idiot.All these people were only friends and acquiantances of Karen's.The only thing thing they knew about Karen was only what Karen allowed them to know about herself.Richard and also her mother knew Karen better than anyone else ever will.They were very close and there were probably very few secrets kept between them.They couldn't help but know all the very personal things that Karen didn't want anybody to know about herself.There are too many things that absolutely make...
@mnmcv1 ..no sense about Karen's life.Her family most likely knows those secrets,not her friends,and as Richard said,"He's done talking" He would gladly keep some things about Karen's personal life that Karen would not want anyone to ever know,even if it enabled some fortune seeker to invent a conspiracy theory that doesn't begin to answer the real causes of many of Karen's thus far unexplainable problems by weaving a story out of nothing more than distant 2nd hand sources and make Rich look bad
@rematpac- ummm okay, crazy...don't hurt me, yourself or anyone else. Just take it easy. Help is available. You okay there, buddy? Umm, okay, Richard is the cat's meow. Whatever you say, that's right. Your reign of terror in here and stupid bombast has made you a big person, everybody's scared of you now, okay? Just stay cool...they'll be arriving anytime now with the jacket... ;)
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rematpat how funny as almost everthing you wrote is a complete lie. The LGB author has been talking to certain people, and he knows everything that was done to poor Karen but of course couldn't put it in that book because of Richard. So now poor Richard is willing to be blamed as a scapegoat to keep Karen's secrets safe with him until he dies? Its that screwed up nasty asshole that wants his secrets safe not Karen's but we all know that. And too many people already know so that can't happen.
You know after reading thousands of comments on you tube, I'm really amazed at how little people really know about the Carpenters, but when you read alot of crap people write they try to convince you, that this is the way it was. The truth is unless you knew Karen, Richard, the band, or anyone in the posse you don't know. Richard knew that people would try to paint him as the bad guy. But let everyone in on a secret don't believe everything you hear, or read. He does so much good for the world!
@vmuto1 What good has he done, exactly? Help Anorexia sufferers? Lobby the government for more ED funding and education? Unless Karen was your babysitter, you're too young to have known the two of them.
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@improvguru What have you done,besides continually twist reality with your hatred of men.I noticed you don't have any favorite video's on your channel.Are you some kind of troll or something?Your only purpose on youtube seems to be to promote the evil brother myth.You need to talk to a psychiatrist first and come to terms with your own problem before talking about other people's supposed problems that YOU were too young to know anything about. I also noticed your age.
@improvguru I'm truly sorry about that.I was aware that I might be making a terrible mistake pegging you for a man -hating women,when I wasn't even sure what sex you were.Here's your opportunity to bask in a little victory as I perceive this as kind of a war being fought in your mind.I am truly embarraced,I made the worst mistake possible,so please feel free to gloat if it makes you feel better.
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@improvguru Why don't you spend all this wasted energy on helping someone that you can help rather than someone who has passed on,someone who is still living-YOU,get help! Do you really think Karen appreciates you spending all your free time trying to convince the world how evil her own brother supposedly is?Do you really think she approves of your actions?Or have you convinced yourself you'll write a best seller and get rich like that other person tried?You think he was not motivated by money?
@improvguru How will you be able to offer anyone any new info on the Carpenters?I'm not saying it's a bad idea.The full,true story,especially about Karen,the most important Carpenter,hasn't even been scratched on by anyone yet.No one really knows who she really was in even the vaguest sense.It is still being hidden and if it ever comes out it won't be until many more years after her death and by that time,most all the people who really knew her will be dead.LGB said nothing about Karen herself.
@improvguru ..keep Karen's both both life and seemingly senseless death still mysteriously hard to understand,because we,the public,don't have all the facts and secrets that her family are keeping.The easy way is to always make someone a scapegoat,finding the facts closer to the real truth are much harder.How are you going to pry open the lips of the one person who may have many of the real answers when everything you've said is trying to portray him as the scapegoat,and yes he seems quite ...
@improvguru ..willing to be blamed as a scapegoat as long as he can take those secrets to the grave with him.So since he's not talking and you have made yourself the last person he would talk to,where are you supposedly going to get your vital new info from?Because to date no one has told us the real ,true ,entire story of Karen,not who she was,what kind of person she was,what really drove her in life to do the great things that she did yet make some of the worst obvious unexplainable mistakes.
@improvguru Look ,all you should expect is to be bashed by people for all the bashing you do against other people.The best thing I can say about you now,assuming you're not a nut case which certainly hasn't been dis-credited in the least,is you might be thinking you're going to be an opportunest by twisting facts so far about how evil Richard supposedly was(but wasn't)that you'll be able to concoct a story so shocking(but false)that you think you'll be able to write a runaway best seller.
@improvguru So now you're finally admitting or realizing that in fact that supossed "a*#h@%e" would be your best source to write a book about Karen that no one has been able to before.But as with the latest author,he's not talking.With the knowledge of the fringe sources already having been tapped for what little they knew,without a close friend,relative,or long time band member to confide in,I hope you have some secret source of info that you haven't told anyone about,as you're going to need it
@improvguru Things about Karen's life just don't add up at all.Things that really might not be anyone's business.But for people who have never knew Karen personally,yet she was such an important part of their lives,we want to know the truth,no matter what it is.About a superstar who had the whole world at her feet yet could never find true love,even though her fame rests mainly on singing love songs?Richard says he's nothing more to say because he's not going to tell us anymore...
@improvguru ..Agness,the overbearing heartless mother who helped drive her kids to early success,claims she didn't kill her daughter.Did you ever stop to think ,despite what a total failure of a loving mother she was,yet a ruthless driving "business manager" type role she took instead,that she actually might be telling the truth.Sure she was certainly partially to blame for her death,but not entirely.Did it ever occur to you that her and Richard just aren't going to tell us the real reasons that
@improvguru You have no new sources or reliable information to add to the book that was already written.No more than you have no way of knowing what was said is true or propaganda anymore than anyone else.You're just one of many people who read the book,you decided for yourself it was all true,believing a guy who wrote it for the sole intention of making money,didn't even consult the family,used supposed quotes from friends that he could have easily used out of context to invent a fictious story
@improvguru What woman wouldn't want to view Karen as their daughter?But did Karen view her as her mother,no,she viewed her real mother as her mother very much so.Richard didn't participate because he's already said everything about the subject without getting into Karen's deep personal life ,something which we all have and don't want every detail made public.Richard knew Karen better than anyone and he is most likely going to take anything Karen doesn't want made public to his grave.
@improvguru What gives you anymore insight than any other random person who read the book.You're not an author and you don't know their tricks.I helped write a local history book years ago myself and I was shocked at all the made-up information that our supervisor had us put in it if we weren't sure of our facts.She was a professional author all her life and when I complained about putting things that weren't proven facts into our book,she replied "it's part of the business,all authors do it"
@rematpac I am so a writer. And yes, I know of the tricks. But Randy got a lot of his quotes from other sources (such as the first Carpenters book written by Ray Coleman.)
@improvguru Exactly almost,but that isn't even a 2nd hand source,but a 3rd hand source which is much ,much worse and is not considered to be reliable enough to be used in any American court of law even.Here he got his information from what someone wrote about what someone else said.Major fail.
Such a shame her solo album wasn't released. Talk about an album with massive hit single potential: Lovelines, If I Had You, My Body Keeps Changing My Mind, If We Try, Make Believe It's Your First Time, Makin' Love in the Afternoon.
It is such a great dance tune and Karen's vocal and her own harmonies is out of this world! It is a fun tune that can still have people on the dance floor if remixed today by some good remixers. Example - Freemason took Heather Headley's tune IN MY MIND which was a ballad and rocked it to a dance mix. Look it up here on Youtube.
wow just think if she could have made a duet with Olivia Newton John.... Karen had the voice of an angel... I heard there were other songs she did that according to Richard were..."dark" but from what people heard it was pure genius... would love to hear those now!
Richard told her before she went to record the solo album, "DON'T DO DISCO." Well, she did, and did it very well. This should have done for Karen what "A Little More Love" and "Physical" did for Karen's close friend Olivia Newton-John. And as for disco "not standing the test of time," sure, that's why many disco songs like "I Will Survive," "Le Freak," and "Dancing Queen" are staples of adult contemporary and oldies radio station playlists today.
@Superbook4Eva Disco lasted a short 3 years and died the quickest ,most permanent death of any other music form.It is universally considered an embarassment never to have been revived and never will be.That doesn't mean all the songs were bad.There were definitely a few good songs like this one.And by the way,"Physical" is not a disco song.It was a big hit after disco was declared a scurge.Hard rock made a comeback and Olivia wanted to be part of it with her new hit dominanted by lead guitar.
@rematpac Olivia's song "Make a Move on Me" had a very disco oriented beat as did the song "Landslide" from the Physical album. The name "Disco" might have died but the music never did, it just went back underground where it started and resurfaced on the pop scene as "Dance music" later in the 80's.
@CapricornDavo Some people thought Blondie a disco band, which they never were.Lots of songs have dance beats but that doesn't put them all under the disco label.No one wants to be known as a disco band anymore because it now carries negative connotations like the name Donny Osmond does.Whenever someone even mentions his name,people think that there is an intended joke,yet Michael Jackson's name's taken seriously.Olivia probably did some songs aimed at disco audiences,but not the song Physical.
@CapricornDavo Some people thought Blondie a disco band, which they never were.Lots of songs have dance beats but that doesn't put them all under the disco label.No one wants to be known as a disco band anymore because it now carries negative connotations like the name Donny Osmond does.Whenever someone even mentions his name,people think that there is an intended joke,yet Michael Jackson's name's taken seriously.Olivia probably did some songs aimed at disco audiences,but not the song Physical.
I honestly don't think this song is all that "out there" - it's not like she was doing "Love To Love You Baby." I don't even think adult-contemporary stations would have had a problem with it if it had been released as a single, as it still has a gentle enough vibe - unless perhaps they had problems with the lyrical content.
The songwriter of this track is Leslie Pearl who later had a hit song of her own with the soft-rock classic, "If The Love Fits Wear It."
They were just scared that she would really come to grips that she was a Star with or without Richard. Thats my opion, that they were scared she would have to go out on tour to support this album and there ties on her would be losen and she would see she had alot of options as an solo artist she did not have grouped
@valkour22 I agree. They had already made up their minds that they wouldn't like the album. Karen was the true star of the show, the real talent. She did not need Richard. Sadly, she much was too sick to properly promote or tour this album. She really should have been in treatment.
@valkour22 If that's true Sparky,how come Karen wasn't able to keep the quality of their music on par when Richard became almost useless to the group when his addiction to qualudes originally caused the quality of their music to falter so much?It's easy to make a somewhat convincing supposition when you leave out the historical facts that disprove your theory.
@rematpac what facts? Karen sang the songs Rich wrote,she didnt write them. When she ask to do her solo lp she wanted to take a different direction then where they were going with what was going on with Richard. They did not want that due to the fact She was what sold the Carpenters songs. Since Karen has been gone what par you think Richards music has been without her?? Richard has had nearly 30 yrs and what has he produced without her??? Karen was the star !!!
@valkour22 The fact that without Richard's mental participation,there went all the magic songs and the brilliant unique background vocals,etc.,not to mention record sales.The same people that you claim were scared of her were the ones who put up a humongous effort to get her off her beloved drums and put her out front to be seen visibly as THE STAR.Since pop music cannot exist without a lead singer which Richard is not,of course the music couldn't go on without her.
@rematpac who said Karen was a songwriter? Answer the ? what has Richard did since Karen's death? Karen wanted to release the album , Richard , Herb and Jerry didnt and showed negative support. Karen sided with them but before her death called Phil up and said the LP was good, showing she wanted to release it. Now i guess Phil is lying too. Point being they did not want her to go out on her own.
@valkour22 You just said yourself today,without Karen there was no star.Now you've backed tracked your very own words twice with the last couple of minutes.It is exceedly obvious your only interest is not to be proven wrong,your grasping for straws.Karen herself had NO INTENSION of going out on her own with her album or she would have.Now I'm repeating myself ,she would not leave the people that made her a millionaire.She did want them all to like it,but they were looking for something more.
@rematpac ur clueless and for ur info Phil Ramone was one of the top producers in that era ? You also said there is no pop music without a singer now ur the 1 backtracking ur asking for 3 when u said there was none??
@valkour22 This really is a serious comment from you isn't it?It should be a joke,but now I realize you're slightly lulu,but don't take that as an insult,you just can't stand being wrong.Alot of people might say that about me by all my comments too,but if they read them,I'm not defending myself,I'm defending disinfo about one of my favs,The Carpenters.This is funny.You really couldn't name 3 because they are so rare.Obviously that was a figure of speach,I even named the obvious Classsical Gas.
@valkour22 The no instumentals I made was obviously a figure of speech dumdum.How could you not realize that when I even named 1 for you ?Was Ramone working for A&M at the time or a competing company?You better go look that one up too and come back and try and stomp me.
@valkour22 Are you drunk,sleepless night or just fucking with me?Iasked to u to name 3 insrtumental pop songs in 10 seconds.You couldn't even do it just like I implied.10 hours later you come back with a short list.O.K. I guess I was born yesterday.You say Ramone was a top producer.So what? What is the context of your statement?Are you trying to say the other 3 execs told Ramone he couldn't release it?There's no truth in that and I don't even know what you are implying.It was Karen's decision.
@valkour22 Why would they not want her to not go out on her own if they thought she could keep making them all millions as she had done in the past.If you think it was just not to hurt Richard's feelings after ruining everything by letting himself getting addicted to qualudes like some people think ,then you really are deluding yourself about human nature.Of course she wanted to release it,why else would she have recorded it?The execs make the decisions not the artist,but she could have left.
@valkour22 They were simply expecting too much from her.They had the pop artists who sold more records than all the rest combined for several years a few years earlier and they were hoping she could put out that quality of music by herself.Sure the album was good compared to all the other gabage out at the time and they should have released it.But they were still holding out and hoping to return to the multi-platinum past they had such a short few years ago.They weren't being realistic.
Sure looking at it in hindsight,it was good enough certainly to be released,but no one could have guessed at the time that pop music would never re turn to greatness,but keep steadily eroding into worse and worse trash after 1974.Music is supposed to improve with time.From 1964 to 1974 it made the most tremendous steady leap in quality that it ever would again.Why back then who would have believed the worthless trash that it evolved into since then would really happen?
@valkour22 She wasn't grouped,it was more of a duo.Do you really think Karen would dump the top record execs of the time A&M records and be better off trying to find some lesser outfit,a new songwriter,and new band members just so she could take this record on the road? Please give the brilliant,independent thinking Karen Carpenter more credit than a blithering idiot! When they came out with their 1st album ,it was rejected by all the record co.s.Only A&M decided to take a chance on them.
Yuck disco!!!!!!! No actually I do like some disco songs and artists. I will keep this on my play list because of the beautiful voice of Ms. Carpenter. Peace. No offense meant by my yuck comment. Just my opinion. Disco is not my cup of tea but good music none-the-less.
This song doesn't have to be categorized as disco just because of the danceable beat behind it,or the lyrics,or even the time it was recorded.Heart of Glass by Blondie was considered the no.1 disco song for a while and they really were never a disco band at all.Disco was just more a frame of mind when showing off your stupid,ridiculous dance moves became more important than the music or performer.People wanted to BE the performer and fantasize everyone was watching them.Bee Gee wanabes,sick era
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This is a good song,but Richard wisely kept The Carpenter's name out of Disco.Sure they would have made some quick money,but it would have forever tarnished The Carpenters muisical legacy as being total sell outs to a very brief musical phenomenen that is considered nothing more than a bad joke today and rightfully so after some years of inflection and having completely failed the test of time which is the one certain judge of great music.
@rematpac Maybe so, but he produced a lot of other sappy pap in their latter years. I'd rather listen to this than "Beechwood" or "Touch Me When We're Dancing" any day of the week.
@rematpac- "bad joke"? "failed the test of time"? You're right...Michael Jackson's OFF THE WALL album (produced at the same time as Karen's album, and both featuring Rod Temperton) is totally considered a "bad joke" now, and has "completely failed the test of time". LOL!
The only "bad joke" here is this epic fail of a comment. Don't bother replying, i'd hate to see you further embarrassed.
@mnmcv1 You must be afraid of my reply like Improvguru is ,that's why he begs his friends to vote my comments negative to try to make it look like everyone's against me.This is a proven fact.He was doing the same exact thing to someone else who was disagreeing with him,only many comments in between and after the guy's comments written by other people that had nothing to do with the topic were constantly accidently getting eraced also proving his friends weren't even reading the comments.
@mnmcv1 You need to get your facts straight before shooting off your mouth,it does nothing for your questionable credibility.First,Jackson's album was named "Invincible",not Off the Wall,and it was an incredible failure losing millions of dollars,debts Jackson was never able to pay off.Disco only lasted 3 years and was never revived ,was sub-standard to the music that came before it and has been the subject of more jokes than any other type of music.Karen's music has stood the test of time.
@rematpac- HUH? get MY facts straight?? Invincible came out in 2001- that album has nothing to do with this!!! OFF THE WALL came out less than a year before Karen's album was scheduled to, and is among the greatest (and best selling) albums of all time. THAT's the album. You've just confirmed you have no idea what you're talking about.
@mnmcv1 Yes ,please get your facts straight you verified idiot.I'll say it one more time and see if you can comprehend:I said Jackson's 'Invincible" album was a complete failure for the 2nd time ,NOT his Off the Wall album which I'm proud to say I've never even heard of since I'm not some dumb teeny-bop or brainless sheep that EVER followed Jackson's carreer or below mediocre music.If I were you I would quit writing senseless,erroneous messages,you're only making yourself look more stupid.
@mnmcv1 Check the comments before you go shooting off your mouth.At no time did I ever say or imply that Karen's album or Off the Wall came out at the same time,I didn't even know the album existed until I read your mixed up,senseless comment yesterday.At no time did I even imply Jackson's music was disco,I never even thought about how to categorize it except as over-rated,sub-standard music.I didn't imply Osmond's music was disco either.The comparison I made is Osmond and Disco are laughed at
@gladieola . What people either don't know or seem to have forgotten is that while this would have been fine in 1979- even Herb Alpert released a disco album in 1979- by 1980 disco was on the way out in the USA.
@gladieola Another lie.It was Karen herself who decided not to release her solo album.If she really wanted to release it,not a person on the planet could have done anything to stop her.Do you really think that if she thought this album would put her back on top of the music business,she would have not released it.You give the brilliant Karen Carpenter,the greatest pop singer who ever lived the implication that she had no more power to make her own decisions as a blithering retarded child.
@rematpac U keep bashing this record, when it was her 1st solo effort. The reason ur bashing it is because of the 1st 4 Carpenters Lp's ??? You have not a clue about what ur saying. Each Lp is its own and should not be measured by another record. This wasent a Carpenters record , it was Karen's solo record.
@valkour22 Oh o.k a good record is just as good as an immortal classic anyday by your logic.Your right it wasn't a Carpenter's record,only half of one.If Karen went into disco ,as this song suggests,her solo career would have lasted less than 2 more years when disco became passe.Karen was 1stly a performer and interpreter,not a song writer.Annie Haslem,possibly the 2nd greatest rock/pop vocalist failed to sell records after she tried to go it alone without her songwriter Mike Dunlop.Same thing.
I had just read part of the book "Little Girl Blue" which is about Karen, and it states that Rod Temperton (of Heatwave) offered Karen two songs; "Rock With You" and "Off The Wall", but she declined those (He would do two more songs for her, however, including "Lovelines"). Those songs, of course, later became hits for Michael Jackson, but Karen Carpenter was offered them first before the future King of Pop! How about that?!
Disco or Dance music was perfect for her. She would have sounded more natural singing it with each successive album and she already sounded great but she had been singing slow ballads for so many years. She was a tomboy. Dance music is lively. It fit her personality. I believe if this album was released she would have had a solo career and this would have been a dance hit. She was healing while she made this album. I think crushing it crushed her. It was her own.
What a fun song! Clever hook. Stumbled across this & after hearing it looked up more of Karen's solo work. I recall her brother stating in an interview "Just don't do disco! ...and it was disco." After hearing this I just don't get his argument. This playful song alone could have carried the album. She got the shaft BIG TIME! Thank you for posting this song of a happier Karen we rarely got to hear.
I think Karen should have done more disco songs, she is really good in the disco style too, as well as the ballads WOW simply MAGIC! THE BEST SINGER TO HAVE EVER LIVED! AND EVER WILL!
I'ts a shame that she was denied to drum because she was a hell of a good drummer as well as a good singer but everybody knew she prefered to be on the drums! Do we have to blame Richard?
SHe was anoxeric and it's really a terrible irony that she sung: my body keeps changing my mind, changing my heart....
OK number one: ur right. It wasn't richard's fault. The public wanted a singing Karen. Many didn't even know about her drumming skills but she wasn't denied her drumming. And two: What's really ironic is that she had to go on a diet as a kid and died of anorexia. Her gave out after a while. She was secretly taking Ipeca- a vomit enhancing medicine bout over the counter. That way she could truthfully tell people she wasn't forcing herself to vomit. She was one hell of a woman and deserves respect
I love this one. You know what? Karen wanted to be like Donna Summer. But who would have hoped so back then, especially in US? Her solo album was OK and it didn't sell that many when it was finally released. A&M wasn't a good supporter for Carpenters and they were not so careful choosing material for her solo project. What a shame!
I think Richard Carpenter was trying to keep Karen under his control all this time. The fact that he made her stop drumming completely and just sing, the fact that he got jealous of Karen being popular and him being a nobody, him not letting Karen do any share in writing, producing or at least CHOOSING the songs (which Karen always wanted). He wanted Karen to do what he wants, and he didn't want Karen to become a full-fledged musician and further outshadow him. He was afraid Karen would go solo.
This song and "Still Crazy After All These Years" COULD have been BIG hits for Karen IF her solo album had been released in 1980. I'm glad we have these songs though, but Karen would have loved to know how much we loved them!
I first heard this song on the "From the Top" Box set way back in 1991. I must have played around 10 times a day for weeks and weeks. I thought and still think this is awesome. I can see why some of the wording was'nt what you expected from Karen but I agree this could have worked for her and could have been a huge hit, but it would have been a gamble for A&M. I especially liked the Vocal arrangements that Maybe Karen did alot of the arrangements.
GREAT SONG! OMG I am a die hard Carpenters fan, and I had no idea she did a disco song! WOW, its great as usual! why disco ever went away is beyond me, it the best dance music, DISCO IS READY FOR A COMEBACK IN MY OPINION, PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW WHAT ITS LIKE TO HAVE GOOD MUSIC TO HAVE GOOD TIMES TOO! LOVE YOU KAREN YOU ARE THE BEST FEMALE SINGER EVER! LOVE YOU SWEETIE! :)
it was shelved when it was first released but i think Richard wanted to keep the Carpenter name out there and probably relised what a mistake he made.. There was a single released from it called if i had you. Funny if Richard wanted it shelved why did he rerecord two songs from it in later years... MAKE BELIEVE IT'S YOUR FIRST TIME IS ON VOICE FROM THE HEART ALBUM.. AND IF I HAD YOU IS ON LOVELINES FROM 1989
First time hearing this song and it's love at first listen. I don't think Karen's voice is as poor a fit with disco as the critics made it out to be at the time her solo album was finally released (I remember reading a SAVAGE review of the album in Time magazine in 1996). I agree that this song would have been a hit.
Incidentally this song was written by Leslie Pearl who had her own hit song in 1982 with "If The Love Fits Wear It." Karen would have been good singing that one too.
One of the reasons the album was shelved ( and this is what I read ) was because Karen felt bad about recording this album without her brother and didn't feel right releasing it. There are many stories as to why it wasn't released and this is just one of many I had heard.
...here I go again. Listen to 'It's The Falling In Love' from 'Off The Wall" after this fine track. They could have played them one after the other at dance clubs.
she's my Angel ♥
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mollysangelique 4 weeks ago
thie is great it has a disco feel, what happen to this version of her songs. Beautiful!!!!!!!!!
jamieandrepont 5 months ago
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mnmcv1 6 months ago
@mnmcv1 I just happen to disagree with you and don't like shiester's making money off The Carpenter's good name with lies spread by gullable suckers like you.You just had to get the last word in and you think that by calling me crazy you win the arguement.YOU are the weird one,you'll do anything to try to make yourself look like you didn't lose an arguement.I notice you were hoping I wouldn't see this you coward.If all you're going to do is call people names ,why don't you shut up.
rematpac 6 months ago
@rematpac- how could i hope you "wouldn't see this"!? Look at these comments...70-80% of them are your insane rants...you LIVE HERE!
OF COURSE you were gonna "see this"...i mean, where else would you be?? LOL
mnmcv1 6 months ago
@mnmcv1 I don't even like coming to this channel.The only reason that I have is because you and 2 other chumps keep pulling me back here with you're erroneous arguments-check the record fool. And by the way,which one of my "rants" are insane?Every word is the truth unlike you're gullible b.s.If you just have to get the last word in,and I know you do,be my guest,because nobody's dragging me back to this stupid channel only to appear that your insinuation has some creedence which it doesn't.
rematpac 6 months ago
Some of you people let one shiester named Randy formulate all these intense fantasies who is just trying to make money off Karen's early death by creating a scapegoat to blame it on.This is one of the oldest con artist tricks around and if you can't recognize it for what it really is,then you really should shut-up.You're hurting Karen's memory,her family and making fools and jerks of yourselves!
rematpac 7 months ago
@rematpac also there are plenty of pop songs that didnt have lyrics or a singer.
valkour22 7 months ago
@valkour22 Name 3 within 10 minutes without outside research.An instumental pop hit has always been rarer than an eclipse of the sun.I seriuosly doubt you can name 1 besdies Classical Gas off the top of your head.Big hits are practically non-exsistent in pop.Jazz is insrtumental music mostly,that's probably the biggest and most obvious between the 2.I'm sure you can't remenber the few old instrumental tunes that were before your come so please don't bother to try to bluff me out.
rematpac 7 months ago
@rematpac sleepwalk one of the biggest of all time. 5th of beethoven by walter murphy a huge hit in the 70's,Moby Dick by Led Zeppelin, eruption by Van halen, Sisters by Steve Vai, and thats off top of my head
valkour22 6 months ago
@valkour22 and when u go to pure disco ,dance and techno theres to many to name .
valkour22 6 months ago
@valkour22 Karen Carpenter never made a solo instrumental in her life,so what's the relevance to anything I said at all???!!! You really are getting so desparate ,you're becoming totally confused and are shooting off completely senseless statements!
rematpac 6 months ago
@valkour22 And now within the last few minutes before I can even respond back,you quickly start naming off those rare insrtumentals.Your response times are all recorded for us both to see.Did you suddenly realize how stupid of a comment you 1st made without thinkihg and quickly anticipate my obvious response to save face?I never got those last 2 comments from you before I started mine.Either the computer was slow or you're not a 1 finger typist like me.
rematpac 6 months ago
@valkour22 For every instrumental huge hit ,there are 100,000's with vocals .That would make them pretty rare wouldn't you say?
rematpac 6 months ago
@valkour22 No that is not off the top of your head,it is 17 hours later.Check the time.I'm not trying to pick on you.I don't mind arguinhg with you,but please but more accurate and state a supposition,not just meaningless facts.I can't read your mind.I've never claimed to be an expert on The Carpenters,but I do know a lot more than the avaerage person because their one of my favorites and I pretty much know b.s. about them when I hear it and there's al lot of that going around lately.
rematpac 6 months ago
No that's not off the top of your head,it's 17 hours later,check the time,and I named 1 for you giving you a chance to just name 2 more on your next immediate comment last night.And how am I suppossed to answer to simple stated facts with no supposition stated or the meaning of the facts or an arguement drawn from them?If it means that much to you to win an arguement here,do some research.I've never claimed to be an EXPERT on The Carpenters,we both might learn something new.
rematpac 6 months ago
This was obviously the best song on the album and people need to stop judging the whole album by this one song.Still in Love with You and If I Had You were distant 2nd and 3rd best.Most of the rest of the songs were far below par of almost the entire volume of music that came out on their 1st 4 albums,some of the most ingenously accessible brilliant songs ever recorded.People that don't know this basic knowledge need to quit helping the crooked Randy from changing history and making money.
rematpac 7 months ago
The execs were hoping that Karen would possibly bring back those golden years and the huge cash cow it represented to them.They were being foolish expecting such a miracle with their greed.When this album didn't naturally measure up to their past unique greatness,naturally they were disappointed.It may have been o.k for it's time,but it came out when pop music had died.How would anyone rate this album against their 1st 4 on a scale of 1 to 10?Your judging the whole album by it's best o.k 3 songs
rematpac 7 months ago
You people with the top comments are full of yourselves.Go back and listen to The Carpenters 1st 4 albums.The beauty of the songs from those 1st 4 remarkable albums will most likely never be duplicated in pop music for the rest of time.Those 1st 4 miracles of music made The Carpenters the biggest selling artists of the 70's,the greatest decade(the 1st half) of all time for pop music.When Richard dropped the ball with his addiction,their music and popularity plummeted.
rematpac 7 months ago
WOW. actually a bit frightening. The worst part is, this all just further proved that you ARE unbalanced. Okay, umm, yeah, you really scared me with your knowledge, I'll delete the profile i've had for years because of you. You really just said all that. Read it back. I'm honestly done, not because you "proved" anything about Karen Carpenter (you proved ZERO), but because you're actually kinda creeping me out. Uh, congratulations? I guess this will be an important milestone in your life...lol
mnmcv1 7 months ago
@mnmcv1 You're just trying to save face.If anyone really cares about what your implying,they simply have to read any of my comments and they know your lying.Hey,I made a rhyme! There I just helped you out.A person could just read this silly post and think there's a possibility your accusations are true if anyone really cares.And I guess your making a little sense.The fact that I proved you proved ZERO,doesn't mean I proved anything about Karen at all,just your comments.
rematpac 7 months ago
I write a lot about The Carpenters because they changed my life.Their 1st hit Close to You turned me on to pop music when I was a very young child.I don't mind having intelligent conversations about them ,but I naturally get a little heated when phoney people put out false information about them and pretend to know things that they don't .It's an insult to their legacy,music,and a lot of people's intelligence.Notice how they make outrageous claims and insult you when asked to back them up.
rematpac 7 months ago
But the joke's on me for wasting so much time on people who won't listen to reason,only the broken record playing over and over again in their head.The point is,this was a good song off a good album that probably should have been released.The fact that it wasn't didn't change pop music history and wasn't some evil conspiracy by the people closest to Karen,cared about her,and helped make her a star and were supposedly jealous of this record.They had a different opinion at the time,that's all.
rematpac 7 months ago
@rematpac- no, I was the one who wasted too much time on you. I had no idea you were THIS unbalanced...lol
mnmcv1 7 months ago
@mnmcv1 You think by calling me unbalanced that makes it an established fact because YOU put it in print.I try to write things based on facts ,you create fantasies and act like their facts.For example,this book I'm supposedly obsessed on I've never read or even seen.You are the one obsessed by the claims I've heard espoused by this opinionated book apparently written in much the same style as your comments.Your 1st comment was probably obvous and whether it came before the book,prove it!
rematpac 7 months ago
@mnmcv1 I state my facts thoroughly so they can be understood by whoever's reading them..You aviod stating facts altogether and just make claims never with any explanation or evidence to back them up,but just expect people to believe whatever you write just because you wrote it.Right now I would say that puts your credibility and everything you say at zero.,You don't state your 1st claim nor do you give us the date of when the book came out that you falsely claim that I've read.You simply lie.
rematpac 7 months ago
@mnmcv1 Another lie! You don't regret writing to me because you think I'm unbalanced,you regret it because I'm a big fan of The Carpenters and I verbally tore you to shreds for everyone to see and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it except disappear or change your name if it bothers you.You realize now,your tactic of spewing out more lies or insulting me only digs yourself into a deeper hole and backfires on you and exposes you.I suggest you disappear for a while,wht else can you do?
rematpac 7 months ago
@mnmcv1 Never challenge someone who you only pretend to know something about.What you call unbalanced,I call burying someone who pushes propaganda.Now I've exposed you on so many lies tonight,I'm too tired to try to count them all.And one more I almost forgot.If the familly's whole intention was to make Richard a star,why did they finally convince Karen to stop playing drums and take center stage full time with the camera always on her and bury Richard back with the rest of the band ?
rematpac 7 months ago
I can only hope that I suceeded in shutting these 2 obsessed people up by pointing out their obvious falacies and revealing them for the fools they've been.But don't count on it ,they may continue to get my comments blocked and keep repeating their worn out jargon and making false accusations about my comments thinking nobody reads them just because they got them hidden.They don't even realize when a person's comment is blocked it only motivates more people to read them out of curiosity!
rematpac 7 months ago
@rematpac- you posted a bunch of rambling, contradictory nonsense & then pat yourself on the back with "I can only hope I've suceeded (your misspelling, not mine) in shutting up these 2 obsessed people up by BLAH BLAH BLAH.." Anyone reading your incoherent babbling will know the only fool you've exposed is yourself. And WHO is "getting your comments blocked"? Paranoid much? This is a joke.
PS- my initial comment on this thread was posted BEFORE that book you're stuck on even came out. Fool.
mnmcv1 7 months ago
@mnmcv1 You call what I write babbling only because it contradicts your lies and half truths.Just because I didn't check my spelling is the worst thing you can say about me.Pathetic.As far as getting comments blocked,I simply don't understand how the system works,but I do know people abuse it .For example,comments made by another unscrupulous person get blocked everywhere,but the short little comments written by other people having nothing to do with it stuck between them get blocked also???
rematpac 7 months ago
@mnmcv1 You lied again.That's all you can do since you really know nothing about The Carpenters and just selectively believe what sounds good to you that some other know-nothing says.I checked up on when the book came out -OVER A YEAR AGO,and there was lots of talk about it's coming content everywhere months before it was released!
rematpac 7 months ago
To be more specific,Improvguru and mnmcv1 are hopeless mental cases.If you don't believe me,just go to their websites and start reading if your into wasting time.Unfortunately youtube cannot screen internet nusances unless they violate specific stated rules of misconduct.If they comment to you ,my best advice is to ignore them,for your own sake,and maybe they will finally go away.Unfortunately people have got mixed up into their endless tirades before realizing they were just wasting their time
rematpac 7 months ago
Isn't it strange how most the intelligent comments on this site get too many negative votes and blocked while most of the idiotic comments written by 2 mentally obsessed people ,who read a recent ,controversial ,well known book about The Carpenters stay up except when they make a comment accidently embaracing themselves they'd rather not have people see.If you read ALL the comments you'll easily conclude that this site is mostly run by 2 serious mental cases that should change their names!
rematpac 7 months ago
(cont. again)...project killed. & can anyone show me ANYTHING that ANYONE has ever said that was positive about their mother, besides Richard? I don't want to demonize him- the man has done plenty of good in public work and i truly believe he loved Karen (still does), but the facts remain. Even if he had been supportive, perhaps things would've turned out the same. Sadly, we'll never know. What a shame. I hope Karen knows her labor of love did see the light of day. And yes, it IS a good album.
mnmcv1 7 months ago
@mnmcv1 We all know a book was already written on this by someone else,all you're doing is stealing someone else's comments.It was written by a guy who never personally knew The Carpenters and he tried to make it as controversial as possible to sell as many books and make as much money as he could.It's been done millions of times.Autors know there's always suckers like you who will eat up every word of it and invent a purpose in life for yourself by enlightening others which helps sales.SHUT-UP!
rematpac 7 months ago
(cont.)...there was a dysfunctional dynamic in Karen's relationship with her family. Someone here posted Richard didnt support this album but was "just a musician" and couldnt stop its release. Really? He was at the L.A. meeting with Herb Alpert and Jerry Moss and chimed in his disapproval. In front of Olivia he told Karen she had "stolen" the Carpenters sound. According to everyone he was ready to get back to work following his addiction treatment and intent on seeing this...(cont. again)
mnmcv1 7 months ago
wow, just read through some of the comments here since i last posted, particularly from that misguided rematpac person. Someone else posted something that Richard knew people would speak "untruths"...so basically, EVERYONE who knew Karen besides Richard is lying? Frenda Franklin, Evelyn Wallace, Phil & Itchie Ramone, Olivia Newton John, EVERYBODY? They're all part of some master cover-up? It's ridiculous. There's almost UNIVERSAL agreement among Karen's friends and intimates that...(cont.)
mnmcv1 7 months ago
@mnmcv1 Wrong again idiot.All these people were only friends and acquiantances of Karen's.The only thing thing they knew about Karen was only what Karen allowed them to know about herself.Richard and also her mother knew Karen better than anyone else ever will.They were very close and there were probably very few secrets kept between them.They couldn't help but know all the very personal things that Karen didn't want anybody to know about herself.There are too many things that absolutely make...
rematpac 7 months ago
@mnmcv1 ..no sense about Karen's life.Her family most likely knows those secrets,not her friends,and as Richard said,"He's done talking" He would gladly keep some things about Karen's personal life that Karen would not want anyone to ever know,even if it enabled some fortune seeker to invent a conspiracy theory that doesn't begin to answer the real causes of many of Karen's thus far unexplainable problems by weaving a story out of nothing more than distant 2nd hand sources and make Rich look bad
rematpac 7 months ago
@rematpac- ummm okay, crazy...don't hurt me, yourself or anyone else. Just take it easy. Help is available. You okay there, buddy? Umm, okay, Richard is the cat's meow. Whatever you say, that's right. Your reign of terror in here and stupid bombast has made you a big person, everybody's scared of you now, okay? Just stay cool...they'll be arriving anytime now with the jacket... ;)
mnmcv1 7 months ago
great vocal great beat, love it
philipsmog 8 months ago
wots the big deal?
a great little song that needed no hype 2 score big as hit (camp factor 10)
Karen 'solo' = in time with solo sucess she mighta realised that her bro n the 1 wi the trumpet werent needed
oh!
and the 'mother carpenter' in the tv movie is hillariously baaaad
- then u think? - maybe there 'mom' was that mad
or the 'LONDON' LIVEcd
its all concertos with a quick run thru of there 'hits' = terrible
ONJ went from 'singing milkshake' 2 'hottie'
id luv a 12'' 'Record' of this song
MURPHNSPUD 10 months ago
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There is nothing wrong with this album at all. This song especially sounds very Jackson-like.
MelissaB1976 10 months ago
There is nothing wrong with this album at all. This song especially sounds very Jackson-like.
MelissaB1976 10 months ago
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rematpat how funny as almost everthing you wrote is a complete lie. The LGB author has been talking to certain people, and he knows everything that was done to poor Karen but of course couldn't put it in that book because of Richard. So now poor Richard is willing to be blamed as a scapegoat to keep Karen's secrets safe with him until he dies? Its that screwed up nasty asshole that wants his secrets safe not Karen's but we all know that. And too many people already know so that can't happen.
cali8745 10 months ago
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You know after reading thousands of comments on you tube, I'm really amazed at how little people really know about the Carpenters, but when you read alot of crap people write they try to convince you, that this is the way it was. The truth is unless you knew Karen, Richard, the band, or anyone in the posse you don't know. Richard knew that people would try to paint him as the bad guy. But let everyone in on a secret don't believe everything you hear, or read. He does so much good for the world!
vmuto1 11 months ago
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@vmuto1 What good has he done, exactly? Help Anorexia sufferers? Lobby the government for more ED funding and education? Unless Karen was your babysitter, you're too young to have known the two of them.
improvguru 11 months ago
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@improvguru What have you done,besides continually twist reality with your hatred of men.I noticed you don't have any favorite video's on your channel.Are you some kind of troll or something?Your only purpose on youtube seems to be to promote the evil brother myth.You need to talk to a psychiatrist first and come to terms with your own problem before talking about other people's supposed problems that YOU were too young to know anything about. I also noticed your age.
rematpac 10 months ago
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@rematpac I'm a guy, by the way. So I don't see how I can hate men.
improvguru 10 months ago
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@improvguru I'm truly sorry about that.I was aware that I might be making a terrible mistake pegging you for a man -hating women,when I wasn't even sure what sex you were.Here's your opportunity to bask in a little victory as I perceive this as kind of a war being fought in your mind.I am truly embarraced,I made the worst mistake possible,so please feel free to gloat if it makes you feel better.
rematpac 10 months ago
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@improvguru Why don't you spend all this wasted energy on helping someone that you can help rather than someone who has passed on,someone who is still living-YOU,get help! Do you really think Karen appreciates you spending all your free time trying to convince the world how evil her own brother supposedly is?Do you really think she approves of your actions?Or have you convinced yourself you'll write a best seller and get rich like that other person tried?You think he was not motivated by money?
rematpac 10 months ago
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@rematpac I am writing a book, yes.
improvguru 10 months ago
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@improvguru How will you be able to offer anyone any new info on the Carpenters?I'm not saying it's a bad idea.The full,true story,especially about Karen,the most important Carpenter,hasn't even been scratched on by anyone yet.No one really knows who she really was in even the vaguest sense.It is still being hidden and if it ever comes out it won't be until many more years after her death and by that time,most all the people who really knew her will be dead.LGB said nothing about Karen herself.
rematpac 10 months ago
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@rematpac Not that kind of a book.
improvguru 10 months ago
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@improvguru ..keep Karen's both both life and seemingly senseless death still mysteriously hard to understand,because we,the public,don't have all the facts and secrets that her family are keeping.The easy way is to always make someone a scapegoat,finding the facts closer to the real truth are much harder.How are you going to pry open the lips of the one person who may have many of the real answers when everything you've said is trying to portray him as the scapegoat,and yes he seems quite ...
rematpac 10 months ago
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@improvguru ..willing to be blamed as a scapegoat as long as he can take those secrets to the grave with him.So since he's not talking and you have made yourself the last person he would talk to,where are you supposedly going to get your vital new info from?Because to date no one has told us the real ,true ,entire story of Karen,not who she was,what kind of person she was,what really drove her in life to do the great things that she did yet make some of the worst obvious unexplainable mistakes.
rematpac 10 months ago
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@improvguru Look ,all you should expect is to be bashed by people for all the bashing you do against other people.The best thing I can say about you now,assuming you're not a nut case which certainly hasn't been dis-credited in the least,is you might be thinking you're going to be an opportunest by twisting facts so far about how evil Richard supposedly was(but wasn't)that you'll be able to concoct a story so shocking(but false)that you think you'll be able to write a runaway best seller.
rematpac 10 months ago
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@rematpac Never called him evil. Called him an "asshole'" at times.
improvguru 10 months ago
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@improvguru So now you're finally admitting or realizing that in fact that supossed "a*#h@%e" would be your best source to write a book about Karen that no one has been able to before.But as with the latest author,he's not talking.With the knowledge of the fringe sources already having been tapped for what little they knew,without a close friend,relative,or long time band member to confide in,I hope you have some secret source of info that you haven't told anyone about,as you're going to need it
rematpac 10 months ago
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@improvguru Things about Karen's life just don't add up at all.Things that really might not be anyone's business.But for people who have never knew Karen personally,yet she was such an important part of their lives,we want to know the truth,no matter what it is.About a superstar who had the whole world at her feet yet could never find true love,even though her fame rests mainly on singing love songs?Richard says he's nothing more to say because he's not going to tell us anymore...
rematpac 10 months ago
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@improvguru ..Agness,the overbearing heartless mother who helped drive her kids to early success,claims she didn't kill her daughter.Did you ever stop to think ,despite what a total failure of a loving mother she was,yet a ruthless driving "business manager" type role she took instead,that she actually might be telling the truth.Sure she was certainly partially to blame for her death,but not entirely.Did it ever occur to you that her and Richard just aren't going to tell us the real reasons that
rematpac 10 months ago
@improvguru You have no new sources or reliable information to add to the book that was already written.No more than you have no way of knowing what was said is true or propaganda anymore than anyone else.You're just one of many people who read the book,you decided for yourself it was all true,believing a guy who wrote it for the sole intention of making money,didn't even consult the family,used supposed quotes from friends that he could have easily used out of context to invent a fictious story
rematpac 7 months ago
@rematpac There's no family to consult. Richard wouldn't participate. But Evelyn Wallace (who viewed Karen as her daughter) did.
Certainly Randy would like to make money from the book, but he also wants the public to learn Karen's story.
improvguru 7 months ago
@improvguru What woman wouldn't want to view Karen as their daughter?But did Karen view her as her mother,no,she viewed her real mother as her mother very much so.Richard didn't participate because he's already said everything about the subject without getting into Karen's deep personal life ,something which we all have and don't want every detail made public.Richard knew Karen better than anyone and he is most likely going to take anything Karen doesn't want made public to his grave.
rematpac 7 months ago
@improvguru What gives you anymore insight than any other random person who read the book.You're not an author and you don't know their tricks.I helped write a local history book years ago myself and I was shocked at all the made-up information that our supervisor had us put in it if we weren't sure of our facts.She was a professional author all her life and when I complained about putting things that weren't proven facts into our book,she replied "it's part of the business,all authors do it"
rematpac 7 months ago
@rematpac I am so a writer. And yes, I know of the tricks. But Randy got a lot of his quotes from other sources (such as the first Carpenters book written by Ray Coleman.)
improvguru 7 months ago
@improvguru Exactly almost,but that isn't even a 2nd hand source,but a 3rd hand source which is much ,much worse and is not considered to be reliable enough to be used in any American court of law even.Here he got his information from what someone wrote about what someone else said.Major fail.
rematpac 7 months ago
This is the best of the 3 edits. Shows her dancing, what a great lady!!!
seanhunter1974 11 months ago
Such a shame her solo album wasn't released. Talk about an album with massive hit single potential: Lovelines, If I Had You, My Body Keeps Changing My Mind, If We Try, Make Believe It's Your First Time, Makin' Love in the Afternoon.
74alexander11 1 year ago 2
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I´m one of the biggest carpenters fans, but this kind of music isn´t good for Karen.
MegaSmud 1 year ago
It is such a great dance tune and Karen's vocal and her own harmonies is out of this world! It is a fun tune that can still have people on the dance floor if remixed today by some good remixers. Example - Freemason took Heather Headley's tune IN MY MIND which was a ballad and rocked it to a dance mix. Look it up here on Youtube.
christophernejman 1 year ago
HAS THIS MORE PERCUSSION, AND MORE DRUMS LOVE IT. WHAT VERSION IS THIS?
britsluver 1 year ago
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wow just think if she could have made a duet with Olivia Newton John.... Karen had the voice of an angel... I heard there were other songs she did that according to Richard were..."dark" but from what people heard it was pure genius... would love to hear those now!
dilligaf25015 1 year ago
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Richard told her before she went to record the solo album, "DON'T DO DISCO." Well, she did, and did it very well. This should have done for Karen what "A Little More Love" and "Physical" did for Karen's close friend Olivia Newton-John. And as for disco "not standing the test of time," sure, that's why many disco songs like "I Will Survive," "Le Freak," and "Dancing Queen" are staples of adult contemporary and oldies radio station playlists today.
Superbook4Eva 1 year ago
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@Superbook4Eva Disco lasted a short 3 years and died the quickest ,most permanent death of any other music form.It is universally considered an embarassment never to have been revived and never will be.That doesn't mean all the songs were bad.There were definitely a few good songs like this one.And by the way,"Physical" is not a disco song.It was a big hit after disco was declared a scurge.Hard rock made a comeback and Olivia wanted to be part of it with her new hit dominanted by lead guitar.
rematpac 1 year ago
@rematpac Olivia's song "Make a Move on Me" had a very disco oriented beat as did the song "Landslide" from the Physical album. The name "Disco" might have died but the music never did, it just went back underground where it started and resurfaced on the pop scene as "Dance music" later in the 80's.
CapricornDavo 1 year ago
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@CapricornDavo Some people thought Blondie a disco band, which they never were.Lots of songs have dance beats but that doesn't put them all under the disco label.No one wants to be known as a disco band anymore because it now carries negative connotations like the name Donny Osmond does.Whenever someone even mentions his name,people think that there is an intended joke,yet Michael Jackson's name's taken seriously.Olivia probably did some songs aimed at disco audiences,but not the song Physical.
rematpac 1 year ago
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@CapricornDavo Some people thought Blondie a disco band, which they never were.Lots of songs have dance beats but that doesn't put them all under the disco label.No one wants to be known as a disco band anymore because it now carries negative connotations like the name Donny Osmond does.Whenever someone even mentions his name,people think that there is an intended joke,yet Michael Jackson's name's taken seriously.Olivia probably did some songs aimed at disco audiences,but not the song Physical.
rematpac 1 year ago
I honestly don't think this song is all that "out there" - it's not like she was doing "Love To Love You Baby." I don't even think adult-contemporary stations would have had a problem with it if it had been released as a single, as it still has a gentle enough vibe - unless perhaps they had problems with the lyrical content.
The songwriter of this track is Leslie Pearl who later had a hit song of her own with the soft-rock classic, "If The Love Fits Wear It."
Superbook4Eva 1 year ago
They were just scared that she would really come to grips that she was a Star with or without Richard. Thats my opion, that they were scared she would have to go out on tour to support this album and there ties on her would be losen and she would see she had alot of options as an solo artist she did not have grouped
valkour22 1 year ago 3
@valkour22 I agree. They had already made up their minds that they wouldn't like the album. Karen was the true star of the show, the real talent. She did not need Richard. Sadly, she much was too sick to properly promote or tour this album. She really should have been in treatment.
improvguru 1 year ago
@valkour22 If that's true Sparky,how come Karen wasn't able to keep the quality of their music on par when Richard became almost useless to the group when his addiction to qualudes originally caused the quality of their music to falter so much?It's easy to make a somewhat convincing supposition when you leave out the historical facts that disprove your theory.
rematpac 7 months ago
@rematpac what facts? Karen sang the songs Rich wrote,she didnt write them. When she ask to do her solo lp she wanted to take a different direction then where they were going with what was going on with Richard. They did not want that due to the fact She was what sold the Carpenters songs. Since Karen has been gone what par you think Richards music has been without her?? Richard has had nearly 30 yrs and what has he produced without her??? Karen was the star !!!
valkour22 7 months ago
@valkour22 The fact that without Richard's mental participation,there went all the magic songs and the brilliant unique background vocals,etc.,not to mention record sales.The same people that you claim were scared of her were the ones who put up a humongous effort to get her off her beloved drums and put her out front to be seen visibly as THE STAR.Since pop music cannot exist without a lead singer which Richard is not,of course the music couldn't go on without her.
rematpac 7 months ago
@rematpac who said Karen was a songwriter? Answer the ? what has Richard did since Karen's death? Karen wanted to release the album , Richard , Herb and Jerry didnt and showed negative support. Karen sided with them but before her death called Phil up and said the LP was good, showing she wanted to release it. Now i guess Phil is lying too. Point being they did not want her to go out on her own.
valkour22 7 months ago
@valkour22 You just said yourself today,without Karen there was no star.Now you've backed tracked your very own words twice with the last couple of minutes.It is exceedly obvious your only interest is not to be proven wrong,your grasping for straws.Karen herself had NO INTENSION of going out on her own with her album or she would have.Now I'm repeating myself ,she would not leave the people that made her a millionaire.She did want them all to like it,but they were looking for something more.
rematpac 7 months ago
@rematpac ur clueless and for ur info Phil Ramone was one of the top producers in that era ? You also said there is no pop music without a singer now ur the 1 backtracking ur asking for 3 when u said there was none??
valkour22 7 months ago
@valkour22 This really is a serious comment from you isn't it?It should be a joke,but now I realize you're slightly lulu,but don't take that as an insult,you just can't stand being wrong.Alot of people might say that about me by all my comments too,but if they read them,I'm not defending myself,I'm defending disinfo about one of my favs,The Carpenters.This is funny.You really couldn't name 3 because they are so rare.Obviously that was a figure of speach,I even named the obvious Classsical Gas.
rematpac 6 months ago
@valkour22 The no instumentals I made was obviously a figure of speech dumdum.How could you not realize that when I even named 1 for you ?Was Ramone working for A&M at the time or a competing company?You better go look that one up too and come back and try and stomp me.
rematpac 6 months ago
@valkour22 Are you drunk,sleepless night or just fucking with me?Iasked to u to name 3 insrtumental pop songs in 10 seconds.You couldn't even do it just like I implied.10 hours later you come back with a short list.O.K. I guess I was born yesterday.You say Ramone was a top producer.So what? What is the context of your statement?Are you trying to say the other 3 execs told Ramone he couldn't release it?There's no truth in that and I don't even know what you are implying.It was Karen's decision.
rematpac 6 months ago
@valkour22 Why would they not want her to not go out on her own if they thought she could keep making them all millions as she had done in the past.If you think it was just not to hurt Richard's feelings after ruining everything by letting himself getting addicted to qualudes like some people think ,then you really are deluding yourself about human nature.Of course she wanted to release it,why else would she have recorded it?The execs make the decisions not the artist,but she could have left.
rematpac 7 months ago
@valkour22 They were simply expecting too much from her.They had the pop artists who sold more records than all the rest combined for several years a few years earlier and they were hoping she could put out that quality of music by herself.Sure the album was good compared to all the other gabage out at the time and they should have released it.But they were still holding out and hoping to return to the multi-platinum past they had such a short few years ago.They weren't being realistic.
rematpac 6 months ago
Sure looking at it in hindsight,it was good enough certainly to be released,but no one could have guessed at the time that pop music would never re turn to greatness,but keep steadily eroding into worse and worse trash after 1974.Music is supposed to improve with time.From 1964 to 1974 it made the most tremendous steady leap in quality that it ever would again.Why back then who would have believed the worthless trash that it evolved into since then would really happen?
rematpac 6 months ago
@valkour22 She wasn't grouped,it was more of a duo.Do you really think Karen would dump the top record execs of the time A&M records and be better off trying to find some lesser outfit,a new songwriter,and new band members just so she could take this record on the road? Please give the brilliant,independent thinking Karen Carpenter more credit than a blithering idiot! When they came out with their 1st album ,it was rejected by all the record co.s.Only A&M decided to take a chance on them.
rematpac 7 months ago
Yuck disco!!!!!!! No actually I do like some disco songs and artists. I will keep this on my play list because of the beautiful voice of Ms. Carpenter. Peace. No offense meant by my yuck comment. Just my opinion. Disco is not my cup of tea but good music none-the-less.
DancesWithJoy 1 year ago
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This song doesn't have to be categorized as disco just because of the danceable beat behind it,or the lyrics,or even the time it was recorded.Heart of Glass by Blondie was considered the no.1 disco song for a while and they really were never a disco band at all.Disco was just more a frame of mind when showing off your stupid,ridiculous dance moves became more important than the music or performer.People wanted to BE the performer and fantasize everyone was watching them.Bee Gee wanabes,sick era
rematpac 1 year ago
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This is a good song,but Richard wisely kept The Carpenter's name out of Disco.Sure they would have made some quick money,but it would have forever tarnished The Carpenters muisical legacy as being total sell outs to a very brief musical phenomenen that is considered nothing more than a bad joke today and rightfully so after some years of inflection and having completely failed the test of time which is the one certain judge of great music.
rematpac 1 year ago
@rematpac Maybe so, but he produced a lot of other sappy pap in their latter years. I'd rather listen to this than "Beechwood" or "Touch Me When We're Dancing" any day of the week.
improvguru 1 year ago
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@improvguru As far as I knew,those 2 songs were part of Karen's solo work while Richard was in rehab,and he put them out after she had died.
rematpac 1 year ago
@rematpac No, they were on "Made In America," Carpenters songs with Karen
improvguru 1 year ago
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@improvguru Ichecked their discography and you're right,plus only 4 songs on Lovelines were from her solo album.
rematpac 1 year ago
@rematpac- "bad joke"? "failed the test of time"? You're right...Michael Jackson's OFF THE WALL album (produced at the same time as Karen's album, and both featuring Rod Temperton) is totally considered a "bad joke" now, and has "completely failed the test of time". LOL!
The only "bad joke" here is this epic fail of a comment. Don't bother replying, i'd hate to see you further embarrassed.
mnmcv1 7 months ago
@mnmcv1 You must be afraid of my reply like Improvguru is ,that's why he begs his friends to vote my comments negative to try to make it look like everyone's against me.This is a proven fact.He was doing the same exact thing to someone else who was disagreeing with him,only many comments in between and after the guy's comments written by other people that had nothing to do with the topic were constantly accidently getting eraced also proving his friends weren't even reading the comments.
rematpac 7 months ago
@mnmcv1 You need to get your facts straight before shooting off your mouth,it does nothing for your questionable credibility.First,Jackson's album was named "Invincible",not Off the Wall,and it was an incredible failure losing millions of dollars,debts Jackson was never able to pay off.Disco only lasted 3 years and was never revived ,was sub-standard to the music that came before it and has been the subject of more jokes than any other type of music.Karen's music has stood the test of time.
rematpac 7 months ago
@rematpac- HUH? get MY facts straight?? Invincible came out in 2001- that album has nothing to do with this!!! OFF THE WALL came out less than a year before Karen's album was scheduled to, and is among the greatest (and best selling) albums of all time. THAT's the album. You've just confirmed you have no idea what you're talking about.
mnmcv1 7 months ago
@mnmcv1 Yes ,please get your facts straight you verified idiot.I'll say it one more time and see if you can comprehend:I said Jackson's 'Invincible" album was a complete failure for the 2nd time ,NOT his Off the Wall album which I'm proud to say I've never even heard of since I'm not some dumb teeny-bop or brainless sheep that EVER followed Jackson's carreer or below mediocre music.If I were you I would quit writing senseless,erroneous messages,you're only making yourself look more stupid.
rematpac 7 months ago
@mnmcv1 Check the comments before you go shooting off your mouth.At no time did I ever say or imply that Karen's album or Off the Wall came out at the same time,I didn't even know the album existed until I read your mixed up,senseless comment yesterday.At no time did I even imply Jackson's music was disco,I never even thought about how to categorize it except as over-rated,sub-standard music.I didn't imply Osmond's music was disco either.The comparison I made is Osmond and Disco are laughed at
rematpac 7 months ago
No question to me that Dear Richard and Herb Alpert betrayed her. They rejected her as an artist and as a person when they trashed her album.
improvguru 1 year ago
karen does disco!
uncoverbrother 1 year ago 2
Great song
wilcompute 1 year ago
the only thing that was wrong with this album was SHE didn't get approval OR ask the BIG boys permission .Really makes me steamed
gladieola 1 year ago 4
@gladieola . What people either don't know or seem to have forgotten is that while this would have been fine in 1979- even Herb Alpert released a disco album in 1979- by 1980 disco was on the way out in the USA.
Vericacious 1 year ago
@gladieola Another lie.It was Karen herself who decided not to release her solo album.If she really wanted to release it,not a person on the planet could have done anything to stop her.Do you really think that if she thought this album would put her back on top of the music business,she would have not released it.You give the brilliant Karen Carpenter,the greatest pop singer who ever lived the implication that she had no more power to make her own decisions as a blithering retarded child.
rematpac 7 months ago
@rematpac U keep bashing this record, when it was her 1st solo effort. The reason ur bashing it is because of the 1st 4 Carpenters Lp's ??? You have not a clue about what ur saying. Each Lp is its own and should not be measured by another record. This wasent a Carpenters record , it was Karen's solo record.
valkour22 7 months ago
@valkour22 Oh o.k a good record is just as good as an immortal classic anyday by your logic.Your right it wasn't a Carpenter's record,only half of one.If Karen went into disco ,as this song suggests,her solo career would have lasted less than 2 more years when disco became passe.Karen was 1stly a performer and interpreter,not a song writer.Annie Haslem,possibly the 2nd greatest rock/pop vocalist failed to sell records after she tried to go it alone without her songwriter Mike Dunlop.Same thing.
rematpac 7 months ago
I LOVE THIS SONG! :) Karen you are the best!
seanhunter1974 1 year ago
thanks!!!!! lovehoward banister!! great quality of KAREN LOVE YOU KAREN :)
seanhunter1974 1 year ago
looks like Mindy from mork n mindy!!!
seanhunter1974 1 year ago
Karen...your voice is sometimes the only thing that keeps me sane. love all ur songs u ever did. this was in the spirit of Donna summer/diana ross.
seanhunter1974 1 year ago
She is and was and will always be a great. for sure MIRED in the 70s but beautiful. :)!
seanhunter1974 1 year ago
OOOOOOOHHHHHHH WOOOOOW JUST LOVE THIS SONG SOOOOOOO COOOOOOOL THANX EVER SOOOOOO MUCH : )
kcrcbest 1 year ago
yes I think Richard was a little narrowminded on her solo album. Too bad. I agree this one would have been a hit its got a couple of great hooks.
KSitz77 1 year ago
I had just read part of the book "Little Girl Blue" which is about Karen, and it states that Rod Temperton (of Heatwave) offered Karen two songs; "Rock With You" and "Off The Wall", but she declined those (He would do two more songs for her, however, including "Lovelines"). Those songs, of course, later became hits for Michael Jackson, but Karen Carpenter was offered them first before the future King of Pop! How about that?!
HowieP 1 year ago 2
Disco or Dance music was perfect for her. She would have sounded more natural singing it with each successive album and she already sounded great but she had been singing slow ballads for so many years. She was a tomboy. Dance music is lively. It fit her personality. I believe if this album was released she would have had a solo career and this would have been a dance hit. She was healing while she made this album. I think crushing it crushed her. It was her own.
BansheeSiren 1 year ago
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BansheeSiren 1 year ago
One of my Favorites :) truly amazing :)
mnlght0snt 1 year ago
a karen disco album should have been released!!!!!!!whoa.....awesome one karen!!!!!!!
Angeejackson 1 year ago
What a fun song! Clever hook. Stumbled across this & after hearing it looked up more of Karen's solo work. I recall her brother stating in an interview "Just don't do disco! ...and it was disco." After hearing this I just don't get his argument. This playful song alone could have carried the album. She got the shaft BIG TIME! Thank you for posting this song of a happier Karen we rarely got to hear.
ilikeoldtv 1 year ago 3
in the 2:25 the note is ¿? somebody konws ¿? i'm a big fan of karen she was amazing the best singer
jekita0903 1 year ago
nobody knows her
UltimateKarenTribute 1 year ago
GOLDEN!!!!
76Robertson 1 year ago
I think Karen should have done more disco songs, she is really good in the disco style too, as well as the ballads WOW simply MAGIC! THE BEST SINGER TO HAVE EVER LIVED! AND EVER WILL!
maleficentdiva 2 years ago
I LOVE this song and KC. Thanks for uploading it.
GingerMagick 2 years ago
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GingerMagick 2 years ago
I'ts a shame that she was denied to drum because she was a hell of a good drummer as well as a good singer but everybody knew she prefered to be on the drums! Do we have to blame Richard?
SHe was anoxeric and it's really a terrible irony that she sung: my body keeps changing my mind, changing my heart....
domdom111111 2 years ago
OK number one: ur right. It wasn't richard's fault. The public wanted a singing Karen. Many didn't even know about her drumming skills but she wasn't denied her drumming. And two: What's really ironic is that she had to go on a diet as a kid and died of anorexia. Her gave out after a while. She was secretly taking Ipeca- a vomit enhancing medicine bout over the counter. That way she could truthfully tell people she wasn't forcing herself to vomit. She was one hell of a woman and deserves respect
tomboygirl48 1 year ago
@tomboygirl48
I didn't know about the Ipeca stuff, tks for the info.
And yeah she deserves respect because like you say she was one hell (or Heaven) of a woman.
RIP Karen and were ever you are, the souls have a great time with you.
domdom111111 1 year ago
I love this one. You know what? Karen wanted to be like Donna Summer. But who would have hoped so back then, especially in US? Her solo album was OK and it didn't sell that many when it was finally released. A&M wasn't a good supporter for Carpenters and they were not so careful choosing material for her solo project. What a shame!
takumainc 2 years ago
I think Richard Carpenter was trying to keep Karen under his control all this time. The fact that he made her stop drumming completely and just sing, the fact that he got jealous of Karen being popular and him being a nobody, him not letting Karen do any share in writing, producing or at least CHOOSING the songs (which Karen always wanted). He wanted Karen to do what he wants, and he didn't want Karen to become a full-fledged musician and further outshadow him. He was afraid Karen would go solo.
benjsinister 2 years ago
This song and "Still Crazy After All These Years" COULD have been BIG hits for Karen IF her solo album had been released in 1980. I'm glad we have these songs though, but Karen would have loved to know how much we loved them!
ctbear26 2 years ago
I first heard this song on the "From the Top" Box set way back in 1991. I must have played around 10 times a day for weeks and weeks. I thought and still think this is awesome. I can see why some of the wording was'nt what you expected from Karen but I agree this could have worked for her and could have been a huge hit, but it would have been a gamble for A&M. I especially liked the Vocal arrangements that Maybe Karen did alot of the arrangements.
davmar 2 years ago
Fantastic Song! Karen can sing ANYTHING!
Mike Curb (record producer) once said that Karen Carpenter could sing the phone book and it would sound good.
Karen Carpenter was the greatest singer that ever lived.
Sang everything from Ave Maria in the original Latin to country.
Love that girl. What a loss when she died at 32.
drogersnm 2 years ago
GREAT SONG! OMG I am a die hard Carpenters fan, and I had no idea she did a disco song! WOW, its great as usual! why disco ever went away is beyond me, it the best dance music, DISCO IS READY FOR A COMEBACK IN MY OPINION, PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW WHAT ITS LIKE TO HAVE GOOD MUSIC TO HAVE GOOD TIMES TOO! LOVE YOU KAREN YOU ARE THE BEST FEMALE SINGER EVER! LOVE YOU SWEETIE! :)
maleficentdiva 2 years ago 2
this is song is nice
vonKyle777 2 years ago 3
Great Voice....
dbzst 2 years ago 2
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The song is so secondary and totally lacking in originality...
Nixe1007 2 years ago
She sounds like she's having so much fun here. They should have at least released this song as a single.
skystarless 2 years ago 16
I thought this album was shelved. Why was it released? Probably to generate money. What else is new.
reneecalling 2 years ago
it was shelved when it was first released but i think Richard wanted to keep the Carpenter name out there and probably relised what a mistake he made.. There was a single released from it called if i had you. Funny if Richard wanted it shelved why did he rerecord two songs from it in later years... MAKE BELIEVE IT'S YOUR FIRST TIME IS ON VOICE FROM THE HEART ALBUM.. AND IF I HAD YOU IS ON LOVELINES FROM 1989
ron9882 2 years ago 3
Karen Spirit!!!
nakluts 2 years ago
First time hearing this song and it's love at first listen. I don't think Karen's voice is as poor a fit with disco as the critics made it out to be at the time her solo album was finally released (I remember reading a SAVAGE review of the album in Time magazine in 1996). I agree that this song would have been a hit.
Incidentally this song was written by Leslie Pearl who had her own hit song in 1982 with "If The Love Fits Wear It." Karen would have been good singing that one too.
Superbook4Eva 2 years ago 2
The song is awesome! I love it! Boy, what a gal.
karencarpenterfan100 2 years ago 3
oh yes... it would have been a huge hit in the clubs and from Karen it would have been phenomenal. I love her solo cd.
ron9882 2 years ago 2
it is DISCO, I never went to the disco, but if this would have been played back then, I would have !!
just LOVE it.
A&M did not want to produce any Disco with Carpenters and this is one of the main reasons why they shelved it.
But I think it should have been released in 1984.
And NOW; DISCO is back in 2009!
I never was into this kind of music but this song is GREAT!
would be wonderful if it became a hit after all?
We miss you Karen!XXXXXX
Jenot59 2 years ago 2
One of the reasons the album was shelved ( and this is what I read ) was because Karen felt bad about recording this album without her brother and didn't feel right releasing it. There are many stories as to why it wasn't released and this is just one of many I had heard.
oakdude1 2 years ago
...here I go again. Listen to 'It's The Falling In Love' from 'Off The Wall" after this fine track. They could have played them one after the other at dance clubs.
earcandy2008 2 years ago