Super Turbo Saturdays #2: Old Ken Option Selects with Damdai

[RodmanIsASadPanda]

He's probably doing a 1 frame cancel, so you can't see it because we all know that the games run at 60 fps but the recordings are 30 fps

[SuperCubanHeat]

thx for this. very helpful.

[DaRkXyStEr]

What do you use to rewind/draw in the matches? O.o

[dedwArzZ]

i could watch this for hours ! the nice beat in the background and really neat explanations done in a casual way . this is awesome !

[McFisticuffs]

that backbeat is so dope, I put this video on just to listen to it

[cptBraver]

@McFisticuffs

the music is by automattock. look him up on soundcloud

[bdhenderson]

As a Bison player I just want to say watching this T. Hawk video is demoralizing :(

[Chaldean4life91]

@bdhenderson

let me guess because Hawk has an inescapable cyclone vortex, and Bison has NO reversals other then his Super right?

[94SupraTT]

Godd stuff!

[juangarcia2007]

Seb's giggle is funny Happy Birthday World Warrior the game i grew up on :)

[vinceric8]

So I was trying this out on Hyper Fighting with Ken, and I was doing kara-dragon punch with Standing HK instead of Crouching HK. Would this work as well? I was testing against the computer, so the computer always wins in a throw vs throw.

[ultracombo2]

The kara cancel of short/jab into fb is not necessary with o.ken, his fbs all have the same startup/recovery. Great video though. I really wish I could incorporate that option select with O.ryu (his dp actually beats o.ken's because it rises for a longer period of time) but it's really hard to do.

[pyroclast11]

lol Damdaigo shoryu

[saiyandrummer]

In the last example, why can't Dictator do a reversal throw to beat T. Hawk's meaty short?

[loliZelda]

@saiyandrummer I think because it's Mexican typhoon unlike with Ken who's doing a normal throw. Command throws beat normals

[Vegasclaw]

those that dislike this are so mentally slow, because this is so well explained

[eric33mavericks]

@Vegasclaw Or they're just casual gamers and didn't enjoy it because it went over their head. I agree these are really well done guides.

[JimBucket]

Nice.

[thehottyguy23]

whats the name of the background beat??

[montyoum]

lol, I think snail input should be considered fighting game standard from now on.

it's interesting to get a retrospective insight. I would say that about there not being this sort of technical execution existing anymore. I'll bet most of the systems in older games aren't designed out intentionally. As game systems have gotten more developed with advanced scripting/state systems, state entering is more deliberate. Mostly to give designers more control over balance.

[vinceric8]

Can new Ken do a similar mixup with his (weaker) LP dragon punch mixed in with Knee Grab instead?

[DonkeyFist]

@vinceric8 no, that option select mixup only works with N.Ryu, O.Ryu, and O.Ken, if you try it with N.Ken you'll end up getting the crazy kicks every time. With N.Ken you have guess every time.

[Meatballer]

i can see frames everywhere

it would be funny if one day where people will relate this to real life hahaha

to be if you can read the opponent properly there really is no need to care about those frame data shit

i mean you can use it as a reference but to get better in sf its pointless just by following this without using your brain....

i hope i dont piss off those frame sf people if i do

plz dont cry.

[buddhasknowbest]

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[clrndalvare]

Would an O.Ken's DP beat an O.Ken's DP ? And what if I do the snail motion with O.Hawk on wakeup ? (at the same time you do it) Gotta love this game :D

[paulhindt]

Ballsack hitbox FTW.

[StyleSessions]

cool vids. Damdai is the man, altho there are several times in this vid where the other guy acts like a 9 year old. Wook at his head is so tiny, Damdai laughs awkwardly - er yea.  2 mins later, no wook its sooo tiny, Damdai laughs and thinks ok we have established he has a small head.

At the end of the vid, lol you pwacticed this for 3 months, lol a compuder game for 3 months lulz. Damdai laughs awkwardly again, and thinks yea this stuff dont come overnight and its why Im the champ.

good vids

[bmcdickermeat5]

are you playing t. hawk in ST at evo this year? i really hope so .. i'd go just to watch that.

[thefakepolice]

This series has two episodes so far and both of them are awesome. Looking forward to more.

[TelvanniGuard]

I keep thinking: I'm glad I play Vega.

[darklegacy67]

so was there a revision to ST in which there's a new ken/new hawk or are they referring to the new versions as the HDR ones?

[othartheom]

@darklegacy67 trolling or actually that dumb?

[Inbred23]

Mr damdai sir, with the T.Hawk OS, if the bison just held the stick in neutral would the hitstun be too long for the grab to grab him or would the s.lk (or c.lk) cancel into a dp?

[akaFobb]

When is Jibbo putting out a mixtape with this stuff?

[JiBbo]

@akaFobb Won't be for a while. I'm busy with tech school and other things but I do work on my music as much as possible. I have a lot of work to do until I'm really satisfied enough to put something final down but I promise the finished product will be worth the wait.

[akaFobb]

@JiBbo Can't wait. Your music is real chill, I love it.

[Meiz79]

There's a reason this man went to Japan.

[Tmathh]

this song keeps me comin back

[MarciusSim]

ST is so good.

[ryouki813]

Damn, somebody know where I can get the backbeat?

[dxmakina]

what are you guys using for slow mo and frame by frame replays? im looking for a media player that can do that so i can watch some things slowly...

[AllusiontoSafety]

I honestly can't believe how narrow-minded current players are about ST. Calling OSes broken, saying this game is too old.... stay fuckin' free

[AlTheHoly]

We need some fei long info!

[ModestDeity]

Wow I feel ignorant about ST after watching these option select vids.

[bgirlNOZOMI]

Street Fighter: JOHN FUCKING MADDEN EDITION

[Typhoon860]

What does meaty mean in terms of fighting?

[manoftheleaf]

@Typhoon860 Basically Ken's throwing out his cr. short (lk) before DJ/Guile can actually be hit because he is on the ground. So DJ/Guile lands on the active frames of move and not the start up frames.

[frizzy350]

@Typhoon860 it the means attack is timed so that the active hitboxes of the attack are already encompassing the opponent's hurtboxes when they appear. in most cases, a "meaty" move is performed after u knocked your opponent down, you then press the attack before they "wake up" and since the move is already out there, they are forced to block or reversal you.

[jmcrofts]

Could Bison reversal throw out of that meaty cr.lk option select?

[laxwithme]

snail ftw.

[TheDimsh]

I think it would be better if you guys stop the background music because its annoying me personally .. i hope im not alone .. i like this show

[Machiney]

@TheDimsh its ok, i dont feel annoyed :)

[genjuroSE]

I am not sure if Dic is screwed after the knockdown. Dic can get 2 reverals for every knockdown and build Super faster that way.. (Devil's reverse with UB the meaty and scissor or pshyco the option-select)

Of course this is hard, but Taira does this (it's his trick :P)

[shotodesi]

thanks seb for taking my advice... and showing the match first :P

[fliperotchy]

the most difficult thing in any fighting game? funny.

doubt it.

[digdoug006]

@fliperotchy no shit, it's called a joke.

[fliperotchy]

@digdoug006 "funny".

i know it was a joke. keep your pants on.

[genjuroSE]

*(if in throw range)

[genjuroSE]

Can DeeJay really wake-up throw if the meaty c.lk is executed correctly? I always thought real meaties beat wake-up throw (if the throw range).

[Mariodoot]

Pretty neat vid. You can't find this stuff anywhere else. I'd like to see some regular fundamentals stuff from Damdai in the later vids.

[Soupbased]

Best wake up option on Saturdays, thanks guys!

[Devhawk124]

29:05 I lol'd

[blagers]

such a dirty Thawk

[Dogysamich]

Wow, I was gunna watch 3, maybe 5 minutes of that, wound up watching all of it. Good stuff.

[Duo11]

I can't really agree with Damdai on this. Impossible to escape option selects are broken, no matter how hard they are to do.

[Dogysamich]

Holla at the Snail Input.

[smashbrawl170]

Why don't you help the community and spend your time on a game that matters you freaking dinosaurs!

[djkramnik]

@smashbrawl170 you can't spell smashbrawl without spelling 'ashbra', you ash-bra you.

[kuunami]

do these option selects work the same in HD remix or have they changed a lot?

[a3den]

That backbeat is so sick

[juangarcia2007]

@a3den Yes it is its relaxing and funky too

[Dogysamich]

wait wait wait.... Seb's got a Madden Marker?!? :o

[Obiwankenobi702]

was this on the MAME Emulator?

[datriadx18]

man seb... never leave us again.

[TheSoulReaver]

ST is the best fighting game ever made, love the new series.

[drkahara]

More than a nice video, dude. Good work.

[lukesama]

Am I alone in not liking option selects? I know they are useful, so why wouldn't you use them?

It just takes out the need to read the opponent in many situations.

[kuunami]

@lukesama

I agree.

[kuunami]

I'm hoping that you guys might do video like this with with Fei long if option selects exist for him. 

[WilltheMagicAsian]

Nice

[Obiwankenobi702]

@Opaiscool cool story bro

[Opaiscool]

@Obiwankenobi702 You can't spell Obi-Wan Kenobi without Wank.