I have studied some gnosticism in the past and saw many gnostic concepts portrayed in The Shack. The 'Jesus' in the Shack says he did not come to set an example for us to follow. This belief in itself can be incredibly harmful to a Christian's walk. The elimination of authority which it suggests is also dangerous, God is always the supreme authority to me. It also states that God did not establish the institutions of Church, marraige, and government which my Bible says God gave us.
The Shack to me is a book for the Universalist. It points to an idea that there is a "God", but it certenly leaves it there. The thing iv seen with people who became big fans of the book when it first came out few years ago, is that now many of those people have turn towards even more universal thinking. I feel that in time such books lead people to a touchy feely faith in a "God" that is not founded on the solid foundation of Christ Jesus. When the storm comes often that faith crumbles.
@worksequalsalvation Lets not ignore the context of some of that . Men who took it on there own without Gods permission,Lets also not forget the multimillions of dead due to atheist/Muslim/etc going on today and throughout history.Lets be honest lest we forget.
You know I have been listening to Ravi and others for a long time.He is an apologetics master.What we see today( with people who disagree with Christianity )is the desire to make God fit into a place where you like him. The Shack is an example it has a good message but if it changes the Biblical nature of God then there is a problem and you should be cautious. Go Ravi
i dont like the shack. but im in agreement with ravi zacharias on this one.I know many genuine sincere christians who were tremendously blessed by the book.And that is what is important. I wouldnt recommend it because i noticed some doctrinal issues.but most people dont read the bible so academic or theological.I dont think ravi was beating around the bush, he is not scared to speak against heresy. He just saw the good that came from a book.
Ravi tends to beat around the bush a bit too much for the sake of being everyones friend. Way too much VRG (verbalized religious garbage). I wonder if hypocrite, brood of vipers, or whitewashed tombs ever enters his vocabulary. Those were words Christ used to describe false teachers of his day.
@apologiamixer Since he isn't discussing false teachers, I should hope they don't. And since Jewish (or purely Messianic) idioms don't mean much to an audience like Ravi's, describing their falsehood in colloquial English terms might do just fine, no?
@worksequalsalvation It never fails. the aggressive cut down and snide remarks by those who refuse to accept the Bible. Bart Ehrman is not a good example of proper scripture use. Why does the Bible make atheist etc start calling names . If you don't believe it why does it bother you. I don't believe in Mormons, Muslims,Hindus,Budist etc . I don't go around calling them names. Why is Christianity different could it be because you know it is real.
It is difficult to speak the truth sometimes when we are close to people, but we must speak it in love. Christ talks about coming to bring sword, a division. Idealogical differences that are pandered to, politely accepted without challenge, essentially change no one and no one's life is transformed let alone our own. When the Holy Spirit confronts us, there is no compromise or pandering, but a choice. We come to truth, or we live in compromise and secure our reputation at the expense of it.
@worksequalsalvation I don't like a lot of people's presentation styles. The doesn't make them wrong though. What don't you agree with and why?
The audience reacts the exact same way at a Ehrman lecture, by the way. People love a good ear tickle and back scratch. Speaking of Ehrman, I find it fascinating that he struggles with explaining evil and suffering, being a biblical scholar and all. It doesn't take a PHD to find the answer. It's all there. Wouldn't you agree?
I must say I was disappointed in his answer. I was the one who asked the question, btw, in DC that afternoon. I was the first one to ask him a question that evening. I wanted him to detail for me if he had any disagreement with the theological statements in the Shack. Such as their being no hierarchy in the Trinity, and so on. All he did was tell me that his perception of who he believes God "should be" wasn't demonstrated in proper fashion. Very disappointing.
I have to say that I think Ravi is being a bit 'careful' here because Paul Young is his friend. In my opinion the analogies of the Shack are false because they align in an extremely heterodox way relative to for instance Chronicles of Narnia. Mr. Young is entitled to his own imagination, but that should not conflict with the revelation of scripture if it is to be a Christian book.
@fgsltwhghobstwbihsnp If thats true that Ravi is downplaying the absolute cultic teachings of the Shack bcuz P Young is his friend then I have lost alot of respect for Ravi. Hes more afraid of offending his friend than God? Plus the fact that the Shack is deceiving millions worldwide? Ravi fell 10 notches to me, even tho i used to like him alot.
I have studied some gnosticism in the past and saw many gnostic concepts portrayed in The Shack. The 'Jesus' in the Shack says he did not come to set an example for us to follow. This belief in itself can be incredibly harmful to a Christian's walk. The elimination of authority which it suggests is also dangerous, God is always the supreme authority to me. It also states that God did not establish the institutions of Church, marraige, and government which my Bible says God gave us.
djquiz6425 1 week ago 3
The Shack to me is a book for the Universalist. It points to an idea that there is a "God", but it certenly leaves it there. The thing iv seen with people who became big fans of the book when it first came out few years ago, is that now many of those people have turn towards even more universal thinking. I feel that in time such books lead people to a touchy feely faith in a "God" that is not founded on the solid foundation of Christ Jesus. When the storm comes often that faith crumbles.
shaqdaddy11 1 week ago 2
@worksequalsalvation Lets not ignore the context of some of that . Men who took it on there own without Gods permission,Lets also not forget the multimillions of dead due to atheist/Muslim/etc going on today and throughout history.Lets be honest lest we forget.
goruby2 3 weeks ago
You know I have been listening to Ravi and others for a long time.He is an apologetics master.What we see today( with people who disagree with Christianity )is the desire to make God fit into a place where you like him. The Shack is an example it has a good message but if it changes the Biblical nature of God then there is a problem and you should be cautious. Go Ravi
goruby2 3 weeks ago
i dont like the shack. but im in agreement with ravi zacharias on this one.I know many genuine sincere christians who were tremendously blessed by the book.And that is what is important. I wouldnt recommend it because i noticed some doctrinal issues.but most people dont read the bible so academic or theological.I dont think ravi was beating around the bush, he is not scared to speak against heresy. He just saw the good that came from a book.
FollowTheCloud 3 weeks ago
Ravi tends to beat around the bush a bit too much for the sake of being everyones friend. Way too much VRG (verbalized religious garbage). I wonder if hypocrite, brood of vipers, or whitewashed tombs ever enters his vocabulary. Those were words Christ used to describe false teachers of his day.
apologiamixer 4 weeks ago
@apologiamixer Since he isn't discussing false teachers, I should hope they don't. And since Jewish (or purely Messianic) idioms don't mean much to an audience like Ravi's, describing their falsehood in colloquial English terms might do just fine, no?
natemup 1 week ago
@worksequalsalvation please show where christianity demands this?
inhalejesus 4 weeks ago
@worksequalsalvation It never fails. the aggressive cut down and snide remarks by those who refuse to accept the Bible. Bart Ehrman is not a good example of proper scripture use. Why does the Bible make atheist etc start calling names . If you don't believe it why does it bother you. I don't believe in Mormons, Muslims,Hindus,Budist etc . I don't go around calling them names. Why is Christianity different could it be because you know it is real.
goruby2 4 weeks ago
It is difficult to speak the truth sometimes when we are close to people, but we must speak it in love. Christ talks about coming to bring sword, a division. Idealogical differences that are pandered to, politely accepted without challenge, essentially change no one and no one's life is transformed let alone our own. When the Holy Spirit confronts us, there is no compromise or pandering, but a choice. We come to truth, or we live in compromise and secure our reputation at the expense of it.
esq8 1 month ago
@worksequalsalvation I don't like a lot of people's presentation styles. The doesn't make them wrong though. What don't you agree with and why?
The audience reacts the exact same way at a Ehrman lecture, by the way. People love a good ear tickle and back scratch. Speaking of Ehrman, I find it fascinating that he struggles with explaining evil and suffering, being a biblical scholar and all. It doesn't take a PHD to find the answer. It's all there. Wouldn't you agree?
ProDeo04 1 month ago in playlist Ravi Zacharias
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ProDeo04 1 month ago
@worksequalsalvation It's not for himself, if you should know.
ServantOfJesus 1 month ago
I must say I was disappointed in his answer. I was the one who asked the question, btw, in DC that afternoon. I was the first one to ask him a question that evening. I wanted him to detail for me if he had any disagreement with the theological statements in the Shack. Such as their being no hierarchy in the Trinity, and so on. All he did was tell me that his perception of who he believes God "should be" wasn't demonstrated in proper fashion. Very disappointing.
watchthefaithrain 1 month ago
I have to say that I think Ravi is being a bit 'careful' here because Paul Young is his friend. In my opinion the analogies of the Shack are false because they align in an extremely heterodox way relative to for instance Chronicles of Narnia. Mr. Young is entitled to his own imagination, but that should not conflict with the revelation of scripture if it is to be a Christian book.
fgsltwhghobstwbihsnp 3 months ago 2
@fgsltwhghobstwbihsnp If thats true that Ravi is downplaying the absolute cultic teachings of the Shack bcuz P Young is his friend then I have lost alot of respect for Ravi. Hes more afraid of offending his friend than God? Plus the fact that the Shack is deceiving millions worldwide? Ravi fell 10 notches to me, even tho i used to like him alot.
bornfromabove 2 days ago