I appreciate that they're trying to discourage hate, but ultimately the message is still the same. If you're gay, you're wrong, and marriage shouldn't be allowed to you.
That's not the loving and open-armed God I want to believe in.
i'm glad that he is doing this peacefully and bullying needs to stop i hate bullying. i'm a christian and i love god with all my heart but why can't we be friends with all people its cool that you have your opinion and i have mine but they are not monster we humans are afraid of change and new things its fine but they are people to they can love and be free to do whatever they want in life. we are made from the same dirt the same two people the same god we are all family we should care for them
As much as I disagree with the Church of Latter Day Saints, I have to say that this outlook on life is rather admirable, and their encouragement of equal treatment and respect are wonderful; now if only the members practiced what the leaders say they preach.
Hey, i have a question. Why do the devout faithful have to go about trying to convert others? Is it not enough to simply live a life according to their faith and to convert through example instead? In my opinion, since no one is perfect, before people go and try to tell others how to live they should perfect themselves.
@1Pantikian It's just about sharing their faith and the happiness they find in Christianity. They aren't judging and saying they ARE perfect. (Well, all of us don't. I don't.) I know I'm not perfect, but if I can show someone the happiness I find, then I've done a good deed in my opinion.
@1Pantikian It's just an invitation, although I agree with your argument that people should preach by example. However, don't be offended if we invite you to join with us. If you don't want to join, then just politely say "no thanks" and we will respect you for that.
This post uses censorship. I have a Master's Degree in Christian Theology, I tried to post a response to some interpretations of Scripture and my comments were never shown, even though they were civil and simply stated broader scriptural fact than the twisted interpretations that some of these posts. It really says something about a church if they have the power to censur any opposing view.
While I whole heartedly disagree with the fundamental doctrine of the LDS church, I find this instance of outreach and pursuing peace inspiring. If more people could put their differences aside like this, there would be less fear and violence in the world.
I believe there is a good way to handle things and a bad way you can tell someone in a nice way thats its wrong what they are doing and let them check it out for themselves and see but you dont have to treat them them badly I agree with what he is saying
Very well said! Thank you for finally publicly voicing the fact that Jesus would NEVER endorse cruelty, not even against those who sin. In fact, especially against those who sin or who struggle with temptation to sin. I wish everyone would watch this: Christians so that they can understand how they should behave toward others, and non-Christians so they can hear what the true Christian position and belief is regarding sin and homosexuality.
You see, this is the kind of position I wish other churches would preach. I'm not even a Christian in an exact sense, however this is the kind of thing that the world needs.
While I disagree with a number of the beliefs of the Mormon faith, I totally agree with them on this issue. We are to love thesinner, and hate the sin. NOT the other way around. Love and pray for all others we believe are in sin.
I'm not a Mormon but I am a Christian. This made my day when i saw this video. I'm am proud of any Christian that can come out and make a black and white statement that many are afraid to do in leadership!
I am LDS and I love this statement, and for any who disagree,
"What I the Lord have spoken, I have spoken, and I excuse not myself; and though the heavens and the earth pass away, my word shall not pass away, but shall all be fulfilled, whether by mine own voice or by the voice of my servants, it is the same."
I am an Ex-Mormon and strongly opposed to the viewpoints of the church and Christianity in general in most cases. However, in this video, I see a calm, rational call for civility and a forthright statement of opinion, which I think is needed on both sides. You cannot truly disagree with anything if you do not understand it.
Although not a Mormon(im a christian) I like this. But my stance is a little weird. So many times i see so called christians bashing gays. Ok,fellow christians,we need to LOVE EVERYBODY. HATE the SIn not the SINNER. I have a good friend who is gay and i told him "hey i dont agree with your homosexuality,and i think its wrong but your still my friend. Just know i wont support any gay rights." and he is still my friend. Spread the LOVE ppl. Hate homosexuality,not the homosexuals
Yay Mormons! I've been looking for a church that adequately expresses my personal beliefs. Methodism is perhaps a bit soft. Pleasant. But soft... This is a church that takes a fair and firm stance.
Although I am not a Mormon I am Christian. I do fully agree that any kind of sexual immorality including homosexuality or even sex out side of marriage and adultery are condemnable by eternal death but no one should persecute anyone for their behavior outside of the life of God. Jesus said this Love one another as I have loved you by this all men will know you as my disciples. It calls for discipline in all areas of ones life following Jesus.
Even if god doesnt agree with homosexuality people he also says we are not to judge. No ones hands are clean of sin and why does it really matter what other people do behind closed doors? Some people are homosexual deal with it.
@TheThelovelybeauty This is one of the most misunderstood and misused portions of Scripture! People who quote the phrase from Matthew 7:1, "Judge not, that ye be not judged." Most people will stop right there, and conclude, "Jesus said don't judge." But we've got to read on to see this in context, so that we can determine what he was really saying.
I appreciate him saying that ALL sexual activity outside of marriage is sin. I am sickened with so many single Christians engaging in sex, living together, having multiple partners. The Bible calls us out, to be holy, to be different. If someone watching Christians can't tell the difference between them & the unbelieving world, the devil has won a battle. Homosexuality is a sin; so is any sex outside of marriage of 1 man & 1 woman. God's Word is never grey on such areas. Let us be HOLY.
I am not a follower of the LDS but I do follow my saviour Jesus Christ and reading thru these posts read Romans 1 and was amazed that this topic was spoken and so glad as I have struggled with claims that they are born that way or a man is born in a womans body. I still dont know everything but God;s word is clear about homosexuality. I always said God loves the sinner but hates the sin. This was a good thing the LDS did.
Surpassingly well spoken. I was kind of expecting a sort of crusade against homosexuality. This is actually the stance that most (all) people should take at the very least. That regardless of other people's ideas, feelings, and beliefs, they still deserve to be treated like people.
Any particular sin is not the issue at all. Paul said all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. The question for every single person is that knowing you are a sinner ( and anybody over the age of awareness is ), when you stand in front of a righteous God ( by righteous I mean holy, perfect, unassailable) and make a reconing for your life, are you going to rely on your own actions which are circumspect already, or rely on the only sacrifice worthy of God's forgiveness.
@ReneShepard Yes it does.Its clearly stated in the BIble so plain that a child should be able to understand it, Romans clearly states that its wrong, He.s no respecter of person and therefore since Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed for homosexuality God is not gonna let anyone else by with it,God the same yesterday,today and forever He changeth not. What a society we have become.But when people quit reading the BIble and quit believing in Jesus Christ I guess to them there are no wrongs.JMHO
Jesus LOVE'S everyone regardless of race, color etc, but hates the SIN - Homosexuality is an Abomination unto the Lord - Homosexuality is relatively a modern name that society put on same sex relationships - God knew that people would use different names for this so, in His infinite wisdom He made it clear that its wrong for a man to lay with another man for this purpose - He still love's every single person on the planet, but not their SIN"S !
The name/word homosexuality is not in the Bible because this is a relatively modern name - The Bible is the "Holy Word of God" and he knew modern day people would apply different terminology to the same sex relationships, so He made it very clear - If a man lay with another man for that purpose, its an abomination unto Him - same with a women! If any one has problems with this, then address it to God, these are His commandments!
@peacebarry The whole part of God destroying Soddom and Gomorrah. Sorry I don't have my Bible handy to tell you the exact page, but I hope that answers your question. Have a good day! :)
I am not a Mormon but i do believe in what the Holy Bible says and Gods word is very clear on it. But we should all Love and Respect everyone regardless to what they are as we are all children of God. And only God can judge us as we cannot judge anyone.
@LadyAzraelina i believe in Jesus Christ too, and i don't think mormons are right with everything else they believe, but i do like this stand. i guess we are all christians though.
Gays should be allowed to legally marry for legal recognition, but I don't believe churches should be forced to partake in wedding two men or two women. If they want to, then let them, but they shouldn't have to. This way, everyone has equal legal rights, but we're not suppressing religion. It's seems kind of hard to find someone running for any office with this thinking, though, but luckily I found that Ron Paul has this view and he's running for president, too.
The appropriation of the word gay as a euphemism for pervert is as obscene as perversion itself. Legitimate Christian doctrine has Holy Scripture as its sole source, Holy Scripture being the complete and inerrant Word of God.
I don't know the page number, but Romans 1:26-27 clearly condemns homosexuality (not homosexuals but homosexuality...just thought I'd add that distinction.)
@peacebarry Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
@peacebarry 1 Corinthians 6:9&10. Romans 1:18-32. Genesis 19 aka "Sodom & Gomorrah." (This is where the words "sodomy/sodomite" came from. Because of homosexual immorality, God destroyed these cities due to their sin, perversion, lust & their evil ways.)
The Bible is clear. I have homosexual friends-- I love them! But loving someone doesn't mean you'll agree with everything they do or stand for. It's like family; you love each other but at times you WILL disagree.
@LolliNerd Lolli .. although in every instance of your scripture quotes you are in error, I will only addres the Genesis 19 comment. The reason why God destroyed Sodom is found in Ezekiel 16:49,50. Before you say that the term"Abominations" in verse 50 is speaking of homosexuality, I would remind you that Ezekiel used the Hebrew word TOEVAH which is abomination as it applies to Idol Worship .. not ZIMMAH which is abomination referring to sexual sin. I couldn't disagree more strongly with you.
Love the Person, Not the Sin. Every body is created by God Himself. I don't agree with the Gay life, But they are still Human Beings, LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THY SELF..... :)
I appreciate your response to this group. I also wholeheartedly agree. Thank you for standing up for Jesus Christ and what He teaches, and remember, you may be Mormon, and I may be full-Gospel, but we are both Christians. We need each other. Just looking at the Christians' response to Glen Beck will tell you this is true. Thanks again, and don't be afraid to be leaders in the Christian world, okay?
We are Gods children and God will not turn His back on us for Loving someone God did not lable us the people of this world are the ones who have lable us. Do you think God saw color when He created us no He did not futher more it says in the orginal Bible judge yee not for I not judge thee and it says nothing in the Bible about Homosexuality. we will all go to Heaven its Gods decision whether when spend eternity with Him or not not the people of this world Amen:
@angelsrone many here have said that the word homosexuality is not said in the bible as it is a modern term. God used the basic description in Romans 11:26-27 (please read this for yourself). Your right that God does not "label us" but states what is right and wrong in the Holy word of God (bible). As far as all go to heaven Jesus said "I am the way the truth and the life, no one cometh unto the father but by me." so not everyone goes to heaven according to the bible. He is the final Judge.
@pacerboy11 We are commanded to judge sin. We cannot judge a person's heart, but must judge their behavior. Homosexuality is not an identity but a behavior.
Jesus told all the sinners he encountered: "You are forgiven but do not sin anymore"
Of course He loves us all but He hates sin, either homosexuality, pedophilia, adulteres, stealing killing, adiction etc. so is our duty to live without sin which is not easy but that is what we ought to do with His help!!!
@2411rosalia Thank you...and I will add He hates sin because He loves people and does not enjoy seeing us suffer...God is Love and Christ is everything to me. Only His grace can change us and He does it all the time if we remain in Him. His Spirit will bring us out of all things He hates with good reasons even if we don't understand the why's, we just can trust Him. He is trust-able!
wow I dont know why people are so concerned with people being homosexual. It is their life so let them live it the way they choose to. You do not have to right to judge anyone. I may be wrong but it is absolutely none of your business. They will face judgement one day but not by you so give it a rest please.
@taea04 "I may be wrong" I love it! Very true. I'd have a 'field day" analyzing a statement such as this! "I dont know why people are so concerned." Seriously? I think it's fine that people disagree, respectfully. I find it pretty easy to understand the beliefs of others. You simply have to "jump into" their mindset, or understand where they are coming from.
When you put it "why people are so concerned with people BEING homosexual," you're phrasing it in a way which isn't the same worldview of others. So, that's probably WHY you don't understand it, because you don't understand the different worldview. What are the diff worldviews? (Worldview 1) People are born homosexual or straight (Worldview 2) All people are born straight, but some BECOME homosexual (I won't debate here how the mentality develops. But I will just say for anyone to say it can't
@metallicarox80s Yeah, I just learned about the completely unprovoked Hans Mill massacre in seminary this morning. If that event in history doesn't tell you something, I'm not sure what will.
@angelmarauder Indeed...unfortunately, I have run into a couple of them on facebook...I tell ya, there's a bit of a war going on on the Book of Mormon page right now, and it's always the same people fighting it (I myself have been one of the disputers on the lds side for a while).
Homosexuality is a sin. Straight up! But WE have no right to judge anyone who is homosexual, only God has that right. We are commanded to love them as we would love ourselves, no if's, and's or but's about it. You don't have to like the way homosexuals act, but if you have Jesus in your heart, you HAVE to love them as yourself. Have a nice day.
homosexuality is an abomnation unto GOD, he created man for woman and woman for man, not man for man or woman for woman. In his word ( the Bible) it is written that God does not put two things together that can not reproduce. "Preverts" may refer to homosexuals. There are those who attempt to legitimize homosexuality as an acceptable alternative life-style. Even some Christians say people have a right to choose their sexual preference. But the Bible specifically calls homosexual behavior sin.
@37kittywilson It's "Perverts" not Preverts.. The Bible calls a lot of things sin. Any not done in Love is a sin. People who live in glass houses should not throw stones as my mother-God rest her soul-used to say to me when I got on my high horse. So if I were you I'd look in the mirror. I'm sure you're not so perfect either. God bless!
@imrhh Sounds like a cop-out to me. You don't understand what you say. Hypocricy is condemning something that you do, not condemning something someone else does that you don't practice. Read Romans 2:1 - Therefore you have no excuse, everyone of you who passes judgment, for in that which you judge another, you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things." The key word is "for (or the reason why). That's throwing stones and living in a glass house.
@2001BornAgain Ok, I have to defend amcgrath on this. When you read the bible you are either judged or excused for you actions. Saying this, if you are a sodomite(homosexual) and read 1corthians 6:9 you would understand Gods word againts homosexualtiy.
WE are called to LOVE one another and Love the sinner and hate the Sin.. For God so Loved the WORLD that He gave his only begotten son that anyone that believith in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life...Please read Acts 2;36-38 ..
I believe in the Bible and all that is says. Marriage therefore is between a Man and a Woman. However, we as a people must still love one another no matter what our choices may be, judgement will come from GOD. There is so much going on in the world today kindness, love, and respect too one another must prevail. I am an ex felon, who now has a great job, a great GOD and children that are a blessing too me. GOD IS AWESOME !!!!!!! lets kill all hate with love and kindness.
@ willimwillson For what reason would the Mormon church need to apologize for anything? For having the same beliefs as many other churches and sticking to it? I find it amazing that depspite anything the leaders of the Mormon church say about its beliefs or stance on any issue, people find every excuse to find fault with it. Who are you to judge the sincerity of anyone? Only God knows the heart!!!!
Homosexuality is only a sin to those who.wrote the bible. The bible was written by men not god. And these men also believed in many things we don't believe now. Have an open mind as well as an open heart and before you think or act cruelly to others think if Jesus would have done the same.
Okay, the Church's full position is stated in the Bible. God is both just and loving. He wants us to love Him above all things, this is first and foremost. For a man to have relations with another man, and a woman with a woman as a man and woman have relations negates God's word. Notice what I'm not saying though: I'm not condemning anyone! God's word does that with His Laws! Paul said that the law is good and stops everyone's mouths from justifying our actions. God bless everyone!
This is why I have a problem with "Churches" written opinion when we as human beings have managed to evolve, at least to this point, to have shown that being homosexual is normal, has been proven by science and should not be up for speech, legal discussion or anything else anymore.
It is more than about time that individuals that are homosexual are treated like distinct human beings and have the rest of us out of their business! I do not like churches illigal ability to discriminate.
@ebgnina Oh has it now? We "evolved" to have shown what you say to be true? Where does it end? What of those born with natural inclinations to have sex with children, or deriving pleasure from torturing and killing people? Is it not then just as justifiable by your view to say that it these and other unnatural acts are normal? If not, then why? Where is the flaw in my analogy? All you can show is that some unfortunates born with a deviant mind can choose to act or not act accordingly to it.
This is commendable, but it's easy to say this. Do not forget to stay to your word and stand by those who have been marginalized as you have been marginalized, and you'll be okay with me, even if I don't agree with all the Church's positions.
I like the video. It's clear and concise. God loves all of his children, and he wants them back. If he wanted the human family to be gay I believe that he would've created Adam, and Steve.
These comments weaken my heart and sicken me. Honestly, if any of you ended up internally having a different orientation, had a family member who was gay, etc. Maybe you'd learn a little something. I am a Christian, and guess what? I'm gay. How can most of you call yourselves Christian? There is nothing wrong with being gay. Why am I arguing though? None of you listen. It's impossible. Go off and live your life, just get out of the business of others.
@ImaNutNBlue You are not a True Christian and follower of the teachings of Christ if you practice homosexuality without repentance. The whole Bible is the word of God, from Genesis to Revelation. And the Word of God is Truth. So when the Bible says that homosexuality is a sin then it is a sin. I do not hate you but please do not call yourself a Christian when you obviously don't know what it means to be a True Christian.
@TiVo2010: Just because you are gay, does not mean you are not loved, loved by your Father in Heaven. Being a Christian is not all about repentance - sure it is the way to salvation because Christ build that bridge with the cross for us, but it is only a piece of it. It is Faith, Remission of Sins, Baptism by proper authority, RECEIVING the GIFT of the Holy Ghost and enduring to the end. I am proud that you are strong and stand for your belief, that you have a relationship with God.
@TiVo2010 Which bible? There are so many different translations, so many different canons, that you must be specific if you're going to make such a declaration. Ultimately to be Christian is to believe in the mercy of God and the divinity of Jesus of Nazareth. Nothing more.
@janusandjachy No where does the bible say it is sufficient to just "believe" anything. If that were true the bible, any translation, would be more of a leaflet with suggestions in it. A basic tenant s of most religions is that the Creator has the right to tell humans what is right and what is wrong. If you find it distasteful to say homosexuality is incompatible with Christianity then your problem is with the Bible. I seriously doubt ANY holy book presents homosexuality as acceptable.
@TiVo2010 You say that the whole Bible is the word of God, but thanks to the First Council of Nicaea (an act of Man's free will, which heavily modified God's word), we do not have a whole bible to study. Therefore, it is possible that God's stance on Homosexuality is as changed as any other provision modified by the Book of Acts. God does not take away free will. If Man has altered God's word, as evidence in the Dead Sea Scrolls suggests, we cannot make assumptions based on a limited Bible.
My two former business partners were Mormon. They conducted themselves in business with honor, honesty and decency. Did they attempt to convert me? Certainly, they did. One of them gave me for Christmas a book containing the Old & New Testaments, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine & Covenants of the LDS Church and The Pearl of Great Price [by Joseph Smith]. I judge a person's character by the manner in which they treat others. My experience says that Mormons are good people.
Awesome! I'm Catholic. I believe our communities are in complete agreement on this issue and I hope that, despite our serious doctrinal differences, our combined voices on this issue will be able to show homosexuals in our society the love and respect they deserve and simultaneously preserve the traditional morality that is so critical to keeping our society strong.
I am a Catholic and we believe the same thing. We love all, but we are true to the bible and recognize that it is a sin. Not any different then a thief or a murderer, lier etc... Love the sinner hate the sin. WE are ALL sinners (So love each other) but because I disagree with the act doesn't make me a hater.
Many homosexuals and homosexual supporters and defenders demand that Christians acknowledge and accept homosexuality itself, and not just the person who performs homosexual acts.
The truth is, Christians are called to love every single human on the planet, and to pray for them to be delivered from sin.
Christians are also called to lead the lost to Christ, because Christ is the only one who can lead people from sinful habits.
I love Jesus. I have the Holy Spirit. I love Gay people. God loves Gay people. Does not make homosexuality healthy(spiritually/mentally/physically/emotionally) for anyone. I personally do not believe it is. I do not believe that the desires to become sexually active with a person of the same sex were placed in that person by God.I believe something happened that confused them and now they look for love in the wrong place.It is a perversion and would lead to our extinction if we all got involved.
As an openly gay Christian who is in fellowship with the United Chruch of Christ and on a life-journey to Ministry work, I am led by God to acknowledge the Doctrine of The Church Of Jesus CHRIST of Latter Day Saints. On level with my personal relationship with God and Jesus, I am not inclined to believe that the way I was made (being gay) is wrong. I must, however, applaud my Mormon brothers and sisters for their concrence with the teachings of JESUS CHRIST of Love and non-violence. Praise JESUS
@WJDII The Church of Jesus Christ of LDS does not believe that God makes people gay, as you imply. We believe that people make mistakes (wrong choices) The belief that being homosexual (gay) is what you just are and not a choice is a mistake, and here's why. I myself being openly heterosexual, can make a choice to give in to lustful desires with a woman that is not my wife, and blame it on God making me heterosexual. I would be giving in to my lustful desire. Same with homosexuality. A choice.
I am a christian, and a pastor. I do not feel that homosexuality is wrong. I support my gay brothers and sisters right to marry. People who point out that the bible speaks against it fail to point out that divorce and remarriage is wrong, but we as a society accept that. I pray for the day when the homosexual community can truly have EQUAL rights. Blessings and Peace!
Love! thats the best action to be taken, but regardless of how much I will love on my gay brothers, lesbian sisters, and the multivarious sexual orientations of each. I will forever love on them, as I love any one who does anything that is wrong (which very much so includes my own failures) But I challenge you as a brother in the faith, don't presume our culture has the authority to change or rearrange Gods inerrant words. I certainly am not qualified, neither are you.
@revadam77 "divorce and remarriage is wrong, but we as a society accept that"
As a Christian, you are called to oppose society. If you are basing your morals on what society accepts, then you are not a Christian but a secularist who is morally relative to the world.
Read Romans 3:4 and let that be enough said about this topic. No one can justify homosexuality unless they have completely closed their hearts to the Word of God and wish to rewrite scripture to satisfy their own agends
thank you for taking the time to talk about this and i think we can all agree to disagree... n we just need to stop hate comments to the LGTB because we are all sons of god
Homosexuality is sin according to God. All sin is forgiveable IF we believe in the Lord Jesus Christ for our salvation and ask for forgiveness and repent (turn away from that sin). Jesus calls us to 'love one another, as I have loved you'. He does not condemn the repentant, but those who will not believe are condemned already and will die in their sins. His word, His truth - free to all.
Very well spoken. This is not a platform to air out if you are gay you have the right to get married. Seems like that is a political issue. Each religious organization has their doctrines and beliefs. If you don't like the doctrines and beliefs of a church, you don't have to belong. Simple. Don't criticize a church that upholds the Bible's views that homosexuality should be avoided. It does state that, sorry. Not misinterpreted, or translated incorrectly. It is a definite
Although I disagree with the LDS position that homosexuality is wrong, I am extremely pleased that the church has spoken out against violence, bullying, and discrimination of LGBTs.
I empathise with those in homosexual relationships. Even in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, there are members who openly denounce those who practice homosexuality. I feel this spokesperson is putting things into perspective not only for non-members but all of us. Hate the sin, not the sinner. Homosexuals are also children of a Heavenly Father who loves them dearly.
This video just demostrates that the Church does love those who are homosexual just as Jesus Christ would. The teaching of the Holy Bible and the other Scriptures that the Church has are what we believe. Any member that does not follow the Savior is not being a good Christian. No Christian is perfect. Jesus Christ taught us to love all of God's children regardless. So, those that aren't tolerant aren't following the teachings of Christ or our Church. I don't condemn anyone that is different
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." John 8:7
homosexuality is a sin, but so is adultery, lying, cheating, etc.
i honestly don't know what to do about it. i think maybe it should be illegal. but the point is that no we're not taught to justify sin but do we not sin everyday?
Honestly, you don't understand homosexuality. I'm glad that you don't seem to be violent towards LGBT persons, but you simply don't understand homosexuality and those who don't understand something should never be able to criticize it.
Homosexuality is something not chosen, its something a person is born with just as how you are born with feelings towards the opposite gender. God wants Love, He doesn't condemn mutual Love. Especially any Love that He made in the first place.
@DannyFDNY While I agree that homosexuality is not "chosen", homosexuals who enjoy being homosexual do "choose" to stay homosexual. I believe that a person is not born homosexual either, but as one grows and develops, homosexuality surfaces along with hormones. Hormones determine sexual attraction, and it is through their development that they feel attraction one way or another (or both).
That said, I believe homosexuals are just as human as I am, and deserve to be treated and live as such.
@DannyFDNY: Again I have partial agreement here. There is not enough scientific evidence to prove homosexuality is something you are born with. You may have an attraction, but it is a CHOICE to act for yourself. My son's father is gay, and suffers terribly by the hands of "Christians" however my church, the LDS church, loves and accepts him. No matter what we understand the persecutions, we still suffer discrimination at the hands of others.
@Greystoke1980 Then you are not a disciple of Christ. He did not teach tolerance (Please cite it if you think it is in the Bible). Condemning difference is not the issue (that is to confuse the issue with oversimplicity and ignorance), condemning sin is. We are told to Judge Sin among those professing to be Christians and to lovingly tell others what HE desires for their best life. (Ephesians 4).
@eliam05 It never tells us in the bible to condemn sin...we are not to judge others and we are not to bring on Condemnation! Dude Jesus is about love and not judgement. We need to spread the love of Christ, that's the problem with a lot of Christians today we are to busy acting, "holier than thou" than actually having doing what we are meant too! Which is love everyone!!! You may disagree and that's okay, but I just really want everyone who reads this to know that Jesus loves you no matter what!
@Greystoke1980 Yes, I would say that as followers of Christ, we are to condemn evil actions like homosexuality, but never to be cruel to the individuals, as we are all sinners
@Greystoke1980: I am not entirely sure where you got your information from. He very clearly expresses the exact opposite. It is not the person we do not love, it is the sin. That said, he indicated that we DO NOT condone any persecution of ANY person for ANY reason. We of all people understand it, and have NO legal help to correct the murders and wrongs committed against us. Marriage is only between man and woman. (Adam and Eve, it wasn't Adam and Steve) It is a CHOICE to act.
@Greystoke1980 I understand that we must love everyone no matter what.But Jesus Christ does condemn homosexuality."Homosexual offenders shall not inherit the kingdom of heaven"Does that mean be rude and mean to someone just because of the sexual preference of that individual?By no means! Instead, as Christians,we must love them,and show them in a kind and loving manner, that homosexuality is condemnable by eternal death. Jesus still loves them, but He hates the sin. Love the sinner, hate the sin
@Kushan250 Paul the Apostle clearly taught that those who have faith that Jesus Christ has power to overcome all challenges and that those who have faith in Christ, repent and turn away from their errors, and are baptised can inherit the kingdom of Heaven. For good reason Satan is also known as the destroyer; he and his sympathizers revel in destruction. If all humanity practiced homosexuality, no offspring would be born to replace those who die. Mankind would dwindle into extinction.
I honestly believe the Lord has given a unique assignment to each of us- to help balance the population, especially when so many can be orphaned or unwanted! Therefore, in His great design and as it is His will, he most loved creation, Mankind, will NOT dwindle into extinction!
@AMcGrath82 quite a few places actually.....OMGosh where do you want me to start? 1 Corinthians 6:9, Leviticus 18:22, 20:13, it's also spoken against in Deuteronomy....................let me know after you have read these passages.
Since the very beginning Jehovah (Jesus Christ) condemned all things that lead to our eventual destruction. We were given commandments to help us circumvent physical and spiritual destruction while receiving the blessings that this life has to offer as we walk on the "strait and narrow path" that leads to life eternal (eternal joy and happiness). I am grateful to understand these principles of success that he gave us through His authorized servants as found in the scriptures.
@tfwaters - By "His authorized servants" you mean only those 'Mormons'/LDS members ordained to specific offices, right? In LDS scripture, Doctrine & Covenants/D&C 132 it equates eternal lives with literal godhood, not only a celestial salvation, but the highest level of celestial salvation. Are U saying "eternal joy and happiness" is godhood, or that all in celestial kingdom ('heaven' is best non-LDS counterpart), no matter what level?
@AMcGrath82 When in question, the senior Apostle Paul expounded upon the difference between lust and love. While addressing Timothy and the Galatian Saints by epistle, Paul listed the "works of the flesh" (lust) and the "fruits of the spirit" (love) and gave the eternal results of both----
@tfwaters So if a person feels love for the opposite sex, it's not because God made them that way? I'm sorry, but I've read plenty of Bible passages that I feel were the work of man -- not God -- hence the endorsement of slavery and the events where God slew men for trivial reasons. I do not believe God endorsed or even did these things -- man, via his free will, wrote them into the Bible -- so why is it we can now admit slavery is wrong, when the bible says otherwise?
@AMcGrath82 You are right. Thank you for making a level headed, thought out comment amidst the sea of trolls. The scripture must be read with proper context, and with the understanding that it has been written and translated by imperfect humans, thusly flaws and inconsistencies are bound to appear. It is up to the reader to seek the truth amidst the writings, and to discern the opinions of the writers from the word of god.
@AMcGrath82 That's why we believe in the infallibiliy of the "original" autographs. I sincerely hope you don't believe yourself. No one could make up the Bible if they tried. Call it a guess, but I bet you have never read through the entire Bible to judge for yourself, have you? You just believe everyone else, and think it's your excuse before God. I pray God will grant you eyes to see the truth.
@Kushan250 yeah but he also says to obey his commandments and most Christians can't even keep the Sabbath day holy and don't worry about using his name in vain (how often do you hear "oh my God" now a days? I consider it a pretty vain use). In fact, most all Christian churches are totally ignoring this, except for the LDS Church they seem to be the only people
@Kushan250 Kushan .. I am interested in knowing where Jesus Christ said that .. "Homosexual offenders shall not inherit the kingdom of heaven." Be very careful with your answer because I DO know what I am talking about and I DO know the answer to the question I am asking you. Are you game to be honest and tell me?
Your forgetting that God progresses faster than any other being in this universe, and over a time has developed an understanding for things once misunderstood.
@magewarrior57 I believe that God progresses but he does not change. Sin is sin, always has been, always will be. A god that can "figure something out" is not God. But i dont know if that was your point. I think this video showed the Mormon churches stance very well.
@Kushan250 hey man i've been helping you out by responding to a lot of peoples question on the reference its 1 corinthians 6:9-10 next time remember to include that so people won't question your sources. :) God bless ya dude
@Greystoke1980 very well put!!! I too am a Christian and so many non-Christians think that because we OPPOSE homosexuality, that we generally HATE HOMOSEXUALS~~~~~THIS IS SO NOT TRUE for most Christians, unfortunately, I can't say ALL CHRISTIANS would agree (and that's where I can quote you on 'Any member that does not follow the Savior is not being a good Christian'.....................JESUS LOVES THE SINNER, BUT HATES THE SIN AND SO DO I!!!
Well said by the church spokesman.
hawkeyery 3 months ago
They have a right to believe what they want and set standards for their church.
777overjoy777 4 months ago
I appreciate that they're trying to discourage hate, but ultimately the message is still the same. If you're gay, you're wrong, and marriage shouldn't be allowed to you.
That's not the loving and open-armed God I want to believe in.
Cluzygirl13 4 months ago
its becuz of these reasons that i am proud to stand up and call myself a mormon and strongly defend it against closed minded people
doomvamp 4 months ago
Well I will still be a firm supporter of gay marriage, but fair enough! I can respect this argument!
VulgarTeacake 4 months ago
i'm glad that he is doing this peacefully and bullying needs to stop i hate bullying. i'm a christian and i love god with all my heart but why can't we be friends with all people its cool that you have your opinion and i have mine but they are not monster we humans are afraid of change and new things its fine but they are people to they can love and be free to do whatever they want in life. we are made from the same dirt the same two people the same god we are all family we should care for them
vampireslovely 4 months ago
As much as I disagree with the Church of Latter Day Saints, I have to say that this outlook on life is rather admirable, and their encouragement of equal treatment and respect are wonderful; now if only the members practiced what the leaders say they preach.
iminthedark1221 4 months ago
Hey, i have a question. Why do the devout faithful have to go about trying to convert others? Is it not enough to simply live a life according to their faith and to convert through example instead? In my opinion, since no one is perfect, before people go and try to tell others how to live they should perfect themselves.
1Pantikian 4 months ago 3
@1Pantikian It's just about sharing their faith and the happiness they find in Christianity. They aren't judging and saying they ARE perfect. (Well, all of us don't. I don't.) I know I'm not perfect, but if I can show someone the happiness I find, then I've done a good deed in my opinion.
GrizzlyKrunkScreamer 4 months ago
@1Pantikian It's just an invitation, although I agree with your argument that people should preach by example. However, don't be offended if we invite you to join with us. If you don't want to join, then just politely say "no thanks" and we will respect you for that.
hawkeyery 3 months ago
AMEN THIS HAS MADE ME SO MUCH HAPPIER FOR BEING WHO I AM THANK U GOD,PLEAS ELET THIS VIDEO SPREAD
jaylawson4233 6 months ago 4
This post uses censorship. I have a Master's Degree in Christian Theology, I tried to post a response to some interpretations of Scripture and my comments were never shown, even though they were civil and simply stated broader scriptural fact than the twisted interpretations that some of these posts. It really says something about a church if they have the power to censur any opposing view.
Brawn63 6 months ago
@Brawn63 It's the Church's page. They can chose what they want to have on their site.
robertjoaquinfoster 4 months ago
While I whole heartedly disagree with the fundamental doctrine of the LDS church, I find this instance of outreach and pursuing peace inspiring. If more people could put their differences aside like this, there would be less fear and violence in the world.
sriavatar 6 months ago 2
I believe there is a good way to handle things and a bad way you can tell someone in a nice way thats its wrong what they are doing and let them check it out for themselves and see but you dont have to treat them them badly I agree with what he is saying
MurKat20 6 months ago
Very well said! Thank you for finally publicly voicing the fact that Jesus would NEVER endorse cruelty, not even against those who sin. In fact, especially against those who sin or who struggle with temptation to sin. I wish everyone would watch this: Christians so that they can understand how they should behave toward others, and non-Christians so they can hear what the true Christian position and belief is regarding sin and homosexuality.
veggychristian 7 months ago
You interpret God's word to reflect YOUR belief that homosexuality is a sin.
steve112063 7 months ago
You see, this is the kind of position I wish other churches would preach. I'm not even a Christian in an exact sense, however this is the kind of thing that the world needs.
Bravo Church of Latter-day Saints, Bravo.
LifeOfTheAfterParty 7 months ago
While I disagree with a number of the beliefs of the Mormon faith, I totally agree with them on this issue. We are to love thesinner, and hate the sin. NOT the other way around. Love and pray for all others we believe are in sin.
4279974 7 months ago
that was well played by the church.
geedub101 7 months ago
You can love someone and still condemn their sin. That's all Jesus ever did.
knbagley 7 months ago
I'm atheist :)
helloamihere 7 months ago
I'm not a Mormon but I am a Christian. This made my day when i saw this video. I'm am proud of any Christian that can come out and make a black and white statement that many are afraid to do in leadership!
hawkskeeper1814 7 months ago
some of the people who commented clearly didn't listen to what he said.
shaft2786 7 months ago
I am LDS and I love this statement, and for any who disagree,
"What I the Lord have spoken, I have spoken, and I excuse not myself; and though the heavens and the earth pass away, my word shall not pass away, but shall all be fulfilled, whether by mine own voice or by the voice of my servants, it is the same."
Doctrine and Covenants 1:38
ShrpAlx 7 months ago
So to sum everything up: Love the sinner, hate the sin?
mrrossjonathan 7 months ago
I am an Ex-Mormon and strongly opposed to the viewpoints of the church and Christianity in general in most cases. However, in this video, I see a calm, rational call for civility and a forthright statement of opinion, which I think is needed on both sides. You cannot truly disagree with anything if you do not understand it.
Pretendeavor1337 7 months ago
Although not a Mormon(im a christian) I like this. But my stance is a little weird. So many times i see so called christians bashing gays. Ok,fellow christians,we need to LOVE EVERYBODY. HATE the SIn not the SINNER. I have a good friend who is gay and i told him "hey i dont agree with your homosexuality,and i think its wrong but your still my friend. Just know i wont support any gay rights." and he is still my friend. Spread the LOVE ppl. Hate homosexuality,not the homosexuals
StingKing456 7 months ago
Yay Mormons! I've been looking for a church that adequately expresses my personal beliefs. Methodism is perhaps a bit soft. Pleasant. But soft... This is a church that takes a fair and firm stance.
Conservative4 7 months ago 9
@Conservative4 you should meet with the missionaries then.
dogbadgereye 7 months ago
@Conservative4 I'm thinking the same thing! :)
ProudAuntieX4 6 months ago
Although I am not a Mormon I am Christian. I do fully agree that any kind of sexual immorality including homosexuality or even sex out side of marriage and adultery are condemnable by eternal death but no one should persecute anyone for their behavior outside of the life of God. Jesus said this Love one another as I have loved you by this all men will know you as my disciples. It calls for discipline in all areas of ones life following Jesus.
Houdini40 7 months ago 7
Even if god doesnt agree with homosexuality people he also says we are not to judge. No ones hands are clean of sin and why does it really matter what other people do behind closed doors? Some people are homosexual deal with it.
TheThelovelybeauty 7 months ago 2
@TheThelovelybeauty This is one of the most misunderstood and misused portions of Scripture! People who quote the phrase from Matthew 7:1, "Judge not, that ye be not judged." Most people will stop right there, and conclude, "Jesus said don't judge." But we've got to read on to see this in context, so that we can determine what he was really saying.
EWE4YAH 6 months ago
how about everybody love everybody? sounds pretty good to me.
Damomandoa 8 months ago 21
@Damomandoa ....and everybody tolerate each other's differences! Sounds good to me too! (:
keepruvthknight 6 months ago
Thank you, Michael, for your response. I am in complete agreement.
OldTymeTunes 8 months ago
this was a good move for the church, they were being very mature
MaxieMead18 8 months ago 7
This was very mature of the Mormon church. They've got an amount of my respect.
nekrial 8 months ago 8
I appreciate him saying that ALL sexual activity outside of marriage is sin. I am sickened with so many single Christians engaging in sex, living together, having multiple partners. The Bible calls us out, to be holy, to be different. If someone watching Christians can't tell the difference between them & the unbelieving world, the devil has won a battle. Homosexuality is a sin; so is any sex outside of marriage of 1 man & 1 woman. God's Word is never grey on such areas. Let us be HOLY.
LadyRoseWinters 8 months ago 62
I am not a follower of the LDS but I do follow my saviour Jesus Christ and reading thru these posts read Romans 1 and was amazed that this topic was spoken and so glad as I have struggled with claims that they are born that way or a man is born in a womans body. I still dont know everything but God;s word is clear about homosexuality. I always said God loves the sinner but hates the sin. This was a good thing the LDS did.
lovecross1 8 months ago
Surpassingly well spoken. I was kind of expecting a sort of crusade against homosexuality. This is actually the stance that most (all) people should take at the very least. That regardless of other people's ideas, feelings, and beliefs, they still deserve to be treated like people.
TheBovineLord 8 months ago 3
Any particular sin is not the issue at all. Paul said all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. The question for every single person is that knowing you are a sinner ( and anybody over the age of awareness is ), when you stand in front of a righteous God ( by righteous I mean holy, perfect, unassailable) and make a reconing for your life, are you going to rely on your own actions which are circumspect already, or rely on the only sacrifice worthy of God's forgiveness.
ReneShepard 9 months ago
@ReneShepard Yes it does.Its clearly stated in the BIble so plain that a child should be able to understand it, Romans clearly states that its wrong, He.s no respecter of person and therefore since Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed for homosexuality God is not gonna let anyone else by with it,God the same yesterday,today and forever He changeth not. What a society we have become.But when people quit reading the BIble and quit believing in Jesus Christ I guess to them there are no wrongs.JMHO
kygal1000 8 months ago
Jesus LOVE'S everyone regardless of race, color etc, but hates the SIN - Homosexuality is an Abomination unto the Lord - Homosexuality is relatively a modern name that society put on same sex relationships - God knew that people would use different names for this so, in His infinite wisdom He made it clear that its wrong for a man to lay with another man for this purpose - He still love's every single person on the planet, but not their SIN"S !
shandycho 9 months ago
The name/word homosexuality is not in the Bible because this is a relatively modern name - The Bible is the "Holy Word of God" and he knew modern day people would apply different terminology to the same sex relationships, so He made it very clear - If a man lay with another man for that purpose, its an abomination unto Him - same with a women! If any one has problems with this, then address it to God, these are His commandments!
shandycho 9 months ago
@shandycho . Personally I find that we are all sinners that we should live judgement to God.
corolianos 8 months ago
@peacebarry The whole part of God destroying Soddom and Gomorrah. Sorry I don't have my Bible handy to tell you the exact page, but I hope that answers your question. Have a good day! :)
MakinStuffUp 9 months ago
I am not a Mormon but i do believe in what the Holy Bible says and Gods word is very clear on it. But we should all Love and Respect everyone regardless to what they are as we are all children of God. And only God can judge us as we cannot judge anyone.
LadyAzraelina 9 months ago
@LadyAzraelina i believe in Jesus Christ too, and i don't think mormons are right with everything else they believe, but i do like this stand. i guess we are all christians though.
snowboardslider 9 months ago
Gays should be allowed to legally marry for legal recognition, but I don't believe churches should be forced to partake in wedding two men or two women. If they want to, then let them, but they shouldn't have to. This way, everyone has equal legal rights, but we're not suppressing religion. It's seems kind of hard to find someone running for any office with this thinking, though, but luckily I found that Ron Paul has this view and he's running for president, too.
BostonUrbEx 9 months ago 2
The appropriation of the word gay as a euphemism for pervert is as obscene as perversion itself. Legitimate Christian doctrine has Holy Scripture as its sole source, Holy Scripture being the complete and inerrant Word of God.
viriatoist 9 months ago
this was good progress for the Mormon society. as a homosexual, i can't ask for anything more. kudos(:
calvincharming 9 months ago
where does it say in the bible that God condems gays? give me the page number i can't find it
peacebarry 9 months ago
@peacebarry
I don't know the page number, but Romans 1:26-27 clearly condemns homosexuality (not homosexuals but homosexuality...just thought I'd add that distinction.)
Brivixxycej8 9 months ago
@peacebarry 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, read it
panic315 9 months ago
@peacebarry 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, read it
Second, there is fornication, the illicit sex acts of unmarried persons which is likewise forbidden (I Corinthians 5:1; 6:13, 18; Ephesians 5:3)
Leviticus 18:22, 20:13
just to name a few..........................
panic315 9 months ago
@peacebarry Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
TheFaithfulsongbird 9 months ago
@peacebarry 1 Corinthians 6:9&10. Romans 1:18-32. Genesis 19 aka "Sodom & Gomorrah." (This is where the words "sodomy/sodomite" came from. Because of homosexual immorality, God destroyed these cities due to their sin, perversion, lust & their evil ways.)
The Bible is clear. I have homosexual friends-- I love them! But loving someone doesn't mean you'll agree with everything they do or stand for. It's like family; you love each other but at times you WILL disagree.
-Disagreeing is not hating.
LolliNerd 9 months ago 73
@LolliNerd Lolli .. although in every instance of your scripture quotes you are in error, I will only addres the Genesis 19 comment. The reason why God destroyed Sodom is found in Ezekiel 16:49,50. Before you say that the term"Abominations" in verse 50 is speaking of homosexuality, I would remind you that Ezekiel used the Hebrew word TOEVAH which is abomination as it applies to Idol Worship .. not ZIMMAH which is abomination referring to sexual sin. I couldn't disagree more strongly with you.
LifterwiII 8 months ago 2
@LolliNerd Wrong
Fastmusicorbust 7 months ago
wow i didnt know they could be so progressive
goner19 9 months ago
Love the Person, Not the Sin. Every body is created by God Himself. I don't agree with the Gay life, But they are still Human Beings, LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THY SELF..... :)
sturnermt 9 months ago
I appreciate your response to this group. I also wholeheartedly agree. Thank you for standing up for Jesus Christ and what He teaches, and remember, you may be Mormon, and I may be full-Gospel, but we are both Christians. We need each other. Just looking at the Christians' response to Glen Beck will tell you this is true. Thanks again, and don't be afraid to be leaders in the Christian world, okay?
We need you!
MaryRosebud 9 months ago 2
Well said.
jlglex99 9 months ago
@pacerboy11 Being different is not a sin. Is being born without an arm or leg a sin? geez
sommavis 9 months ago
We are Gods children and God will not turn His back on us for Loving someone God did not lable us the people of this world are the ones who have lable us. Do you think God saw color when He created us no He did not futher more it says in the orginal Bible judge yee not for I not judge thee and it says nothing in the Bible about Homosexuality. we will all go to Heaven its Gods decision whether when spend eternity with Him or not not the people of this world Amen:
angelsrone 9 months ago
@angelsrone many here have said that the word homosexuality is not said in the bible as it is a modern term. God used the basic description in Romans 11:26-27 (please read this for yourself). Your right that God does not "label us" but states what is right and wrong in the Holy word of God (bible). As far as all go to heaven Jesus said "I am the way the truth and the life, no one cometh unto the father but by me." so not everyone goes to heaven according to the bible. He is the final Judge.
lovecross1 8 months ago
@pacerboy11 We are commanded to judge sin. We cannot judge a person's heart, but must judge their behavior. Homosexuality is not an identity but a behavior.
jspugh 10 months ago
Jesus told all the sinners he encountered: "You are forgiven but do not sin anymore"
Of course He loves us all but He hates sin, either homosexuality, pedophilia, adulteres, stealing killing, adiction etc. so is our duty to live without sin which is not easy but that is what we ought to do with His help!!!
2411rosalia 10 months ago 4
@2411rosalia Thank you...and I will add He hates sin because He loves people and does not enjoy seeing us suffer...God is Love and Christ is everything to me. Only His grace can change us and He does it all the time if we remain in Him. His Spirit will bring us out of all things He hates with good reasons even if we don't understand the why's, we just can trust Him. He is trust-able!
imrhh 9 months ago
wow I dont know why people are so concerned with people being homosexual. It is their life so let them live it the way they choose to. You do not have to right to judge anyone. I may be wrong but it is absolutely none of your business. They will face judgement one day but not by you so give it a rest please.
taea04 10 months ago 3
@taea04 "I may be wrong" I love it! Very true. I'd have a 'field day" analyzing a statement such as this! "I dont know why people are so concerned." Seriously? I think it's fine that people disagree, respectfully. I find it pretty easy to understand the beliefs of others. You simply have to "jump into" their mindset, or understand where they are coming from.
David4Jesus 10 months ago
When you put it "why people are so concerned with people BEING homosexual," you're phrasing it in a way which isn't the same worldview of others. So, that's probably WHY you don't understand it, because you don't understand the different worldview. What are the diff worldviews? (Worldview 1) People are born homosexual or straight (Worldview 2) All people are born straight, but some BECOME homosexual (I won't debate here how the mentality develops. But I will just say for anyone to say it can't
David4Jesus 10 months ago
@metallicarox80s Yeah, I just learned about the completely unprovoked Hans Mill massacre in seminary this morning. If that event in history doesn't tell you something, I'm not sure what will.
ToaOnichu 10 months ago 3
@angelmarauder Indeed...unfortunately, I have run into a couple of them on facebook...I tell ya, there's a bit of a war going on on the Book of Mormon page right now, and it's always the same people fighting it (I myself have been one of the disputers on the lds side for a while).
ToaOnichu 10 months ago
Homosexuality is a sin. Straight up! But WE have no right to judge anyone who is homosexual, only God has that right. We are commanded to love them as we would love ourselves, no if's, and's or but's about it. You don't have to like the way homosexuals act, but if you have Jesus in your heart, you HAVE to love them as yourself. Have a nice day.
atch2824 11 months ago 2
homosexuality is an abomnation unto GOD, he created man for woman and woman for man, not man for man or woman for woman. In his word ( the Bible) it is written that God does not put two things together that can not reproduce. "Preverts" may refer to homosexuals. There are those who attempt to legitimize homosexuality as an acceptable alternative life-style. Even some Christians say people have a right to choose their sexual preference. But the Bible specifically calls homosexual behavior sin.
37kittywilson 11 months ago
@37kittywilson Is that so? No one knew...
MouthsLikSdwndrMisls 10 months ago
@37kittywilson It's "Perverts" not Preverts.. The Bible calls a lot of things sin. Any not done in Love is a sin. People who live in glass houses should not throw stones as my mother-God rest her soul-used to say to me when I got on my high horse. So if I were you I'd look in the mirror. I'm sure you're not so perfect either. God bless!
imrhh 9 months ago
@imrhh Sounds like a cop-out to me. You don't understand what you say. Hypocricy is condemning something that you do, not condemning something someone else does that you don't practice. Read Romans 2:1 - Therefore you have no excuse, everyone of you who passes judgment, for in that which you judge another, you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things." The key word is "for (or the reason why). That's throwing stones and living in a glass house.
2001BornAgain 9 months ago 2
@2001BornAgain Ok, I have to defend amcgrath on this. When you read the bible you are either judged or excused for you actions. Saying this, if you are a sodomite(homosexual) and read 1corthians 6:9 you would understand Gods word againts homosexualtiy.
AKnightforGod 9 months ago
This is the path to progress. Why can't more Christians think like this?
Sefriu 11 months ago
WE are called to LOVE one another and Love the sinner and hate the Sin.. For God so Loved the WORLD that He gave his only begotten son that anyone that believith in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life...Please read Acts 2;36-38 ..
phebet789 11 months ago
I agree with all statements made, i am strickly Christan but this is a beauiful teaching and folows after Jesus Christ.
TheFirestorm304 11 months ago
@TheFirestorm304 You are way off base. How does it follow after Jesus? Whatever that means.
2001BornAgain 9 months ago
Thank you to the person who approved my comments. I am happy to see this issue discussed rationally; it is a good thing to see.
AMcGrath82 11 months ago
I believe in the Bible and all that is says. Marriage therefore is between a Man and a Woman. However, we as a people must still love one another no matter what our choices may be, judgement will come from GOD. There is so much going on in the world today kindness, love, and respect too one another must prevail. I am an ex felon, who now has a great job, a great GOD and children that are a blessing too me. GOD IS AWESOME !!!!!!! lets kill all hate with love and kindness.
KulaniakeaKaleiki 11 months ago 2
@ willimwillson For what reason would the Mormon church need to apologize for anything? For having the same beliefs as many other churches and sticking to it? I find it amazing that depspite anything the leaders of the Mormon church say about its beliefs or stance on any issue, people find every excuse to find fault with it. Who are you to judge the sincerity of anyone? Only God knows the heart!!!!
JohnMGilbert 11 months ago 2
@JohnMGilbert agreed. Leave the church alone. Those who continually seek to find fault in others are only trying to justify their own.
mysticwindfairy 11 months ago
A good response, well thought out.
BogartSlap 11 months ago 2
Homosexuality is only a sin to those who.wrote the bible. The bible was written by men not god. And these men also believed in many things we don't believe now. Have an open mind as well as an open heart and before you think or act cruelly to others think if Jesus would have done the same.
zenrunner5000 11 months ago
Okay, the Church's full position is stated in the Bible. God is both just and loving. He wants us to love Him above all things, this is first and foremost. For a man to have relations with another man, and a woman with a woman as a man and woman have relations negates God's word. Notice what I'm not saying though: I'm not condemning anyone! God's word does that with His Laws! Paul said that the law is good and stops everyone's mouths from justifying our actions. God bless everyone!
benhli37 11 months ago 14
@benhli37 AMEN
crazypersonlol34 9 months ago
This is why I have a problem with "Churches" written opinion when we as human beings have managed to evolve, at least to this point, to have shown that being homosexual is normal, has been proven by science and should not be up for speech, legal discussion or anything else anymore.
It is more than about time that individuals that are homosexual are treated like distinct human beings and have the rest of us out of their business! I do not like churches illigal ability to discriminate.
ebgnina 11 months ago
@ebgnina "should not be up for speech, legal discussion or anything else"
Thus the death of freedom of speech, replaced by political correctness.
Homosexuality hasn't been "proven by science" to be "normal" any more than has the existence of the man in the moon.
BogartSlap 11 months ago 4
@ebgnina Oh has it now? We "evolved" to have shown what you say to be true? Where does it end? What of those born with natural inclinations to have sex with children, or deriving pleasure from torturing and killing people? Is it not then just as justifiable by your view to say that it these and other unnatural acts are normal? If not, then why? Where is the flaw in my analogy? All you can show is that some unfortunates born with a deviant mind can choose to act or not act accordingly to it.
1965Cornelius 11 months ago
This is commendable, but it's easy to say this. Do not forget to stay to your word and stand by those who have been marginalized as you have been marginalized, and you'll be okay with me, even if I don't agree with all the Church's positions.
janusandjachy 11 months ago 2
I like the video. It's clear and concise. God loves all of his children, and he wants them back. If he wanted the human family to be gay I believe that he would've created Adam, and Steve.
supersonicsixteen 11 months ago
Well said!!!
adeck212 11 months ago
These comments weaken my heart and sicken me. Honestly, if any of you ended up internally having a different orientation, had a family member who was gay, etc. Maybe you'd learn a little something. I am a Christian, and guess what? I'm gay. How can most of you call yourselves Christian? There is nothing wrong with being gay. Why am I arguing though? None of you listen. It's impossible. Go off and live your life, just get out of the business of others.
ImaNutNBlue 11 months ago 3
@ImaNutNBlue You are not a True Christian and follower of the teachings of Christ if you practice homosexuality without repentance. The whole Bible is the word of God, from Genesis to Revelation. And the Word of God is Truth. So when the Bible says that homosexuality is a sin then it is a sin. I do not hate you but please do not call yourself a Christian when you obviously don't know what it means to be a True Christian.
TiVo2010 11 months ago
@TiVo2010: Just because you are gay, does not mean you are not loved, loved by your Father in Heaven. Being a Christian is not all about repentance - sure it is the way to salvation because Christ build that bridge with the cross for us, but it is only a piece of it. It is Faith, Remission of Sins, Baptism by proper authority, RECEIVING the GIFT of the Holy Ghost and enduring to the end. I am proud that you are strong and stand for your belief, that you have a relationship with God.
motherandwife1000 11 months ago
@TiVo2010 Which bible? There are so many different translations, so many different canons, that you must be specific if you're going to make such a declaration. Ultimately to be Christian is to believe in the mercy of God and the divinity of Jesus of Nazareth. Nothing more.
janusandjachy 11 months ago 2
@janusandjachy No where does the bible say it is sufficient to just "believe" anything. If that were true the bible, any translation, would be more of a leaflet with suggestions in it. A basic tenant s of most religions is that the Creator has the right to tell humans what is right and what is wrong. If you find it distasteful to say homosexuality is incompatible with Christianity then your problem is with the Bible. I seriously doubt ANY holy book presents homosexuality as acceptable.
boogiemaam 11 months ago 2
@TiVo2010 You say that the whole Bible is the word of God, but thanks to the First Council of Nicaea (an act of Man's free will, which heavily modified God's word), we do not have a whole bible to study. Therefore, it is possible that God's stance on Homosexuality is as changed as any other provision modified by the Book of Acts. God does not take away free will. If Man has altered God's word, as evidence in the Dead Sea Scrolls suggests, we cannot make assumptions based on a limited Bible.
AMcGrath82 11 months ago
@ImaNutNBlue God bless you =)
mseijas2293 7 months ago
My two former business partners were Mormon. They conducted themselves in business with honor, honesty and decency. Did they attempt to convert me? Certainly, they did. One of them gave me for Christmas a book containing the Old & New Testaments, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine & Covenants of the LDS Church and The Pearl of Great Price [by Joseph Smith]. I judge a person's character by the manner in which they treat others. My experience says that Mormons are good people.
BillKilgore1 1 year ago 3
Awesome! I'm Catholic. I believe our communities are in complete agreement on this issue and I hope that, despite our serious doctrinal differences, our combined voices on this issue will be able to show homosexuals in our society the love and respect they deserve and simultaneously preserve the traditional morality that is so critical to keeping our society strong.
NMikeM 1 year ago
I am a Catholic and we believe the same thing. We love all, but we are true to the bible and recognize that it is a sin. Not any different then a thief or a murderer, lier etc... Love the sinner hate the sin. WE are ALL sinners (So love each other) but because I disagree with the act doesn't make me a hater.
dmp9112000 1 year ago
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Toleration is one thing.
Supporting sinful acts is another.
Many homosexuals and homosexual supporters and defenders demand that Christians acknowledge and accept homosexuality itself, and not just the person who performs homosexual acts.
The truth is, Christians are called to love every single human on the planet, and to pray for them to be delivered from sin.
Christians are also called to lead the lost to Christ, because Christ is the only one who can lead people from sinful habits.
SaintlyMic 1 year ago
I love Jesus. I have the Holy Spirit. I love Gay people. God loves Gay people. Does not make homosexuality healthy(spiritually/mentally/physically/emotionally) for anyone. I personally do not believe it is. I do not believe that the desires to become sexually active with a person of the same sex were placed in that person by God.I believe something happened that confused them and now they look for love in the wrong place.It is a perversion and would lead to our extinction if we all got involved.
danielSfishkind 1 year ago
As an openly gay Christian who is in fellowship with the United Chruch of Christ and on a life-journey to Ministry work, I am led by God to acknowledge the Doctrine of The Church Of Jesus CHRIST of Latter Day Saints. On level with my personal relationship with God and Jesus, I am not inclined to believe that the way I was made (being gay) is wrong. I must, however, applaud my Mormon brothers and sisters for their concrence with the teachings of JESUS CHRIST of Love and non-violence. Praise JESUS
WJDII 1 year ago
@WJDII The Church of Jesus Christ of LDS does not believe that God makes people gay, as you imply. We believe that people make mistakes (wrong choices) The belief that being homosexual (gay) is what you just are and not a choice is a mistake, and here's why. I myself being openly heterosexual, can make a choice to give in to lustful desires with a woman that is not my wife, and blame it on God making me heterosexual. I would be giving in to my lustful desire. Same with homosexuality. A choice.
TennesseeSaint 1 year ago
Very well said
FantasyHearts 1 year ago
I am a christian, and a pastor. I do not feel that homosexuality is wrong. I support my gay brothers and sisters right to marry. People who point out that the bible speaks against it fail to point out that divorce and remarriage is wrong, but we as a society accept that. I pray for the day when the homosexual community can truly have EQUAL rights. Blessings and Peace!
revadam77 1 year ago
@revadam77
Love! thats the best action to be taken, but regardless of how much I will love on my gay brothers, lesbian sisters, and the multivarious sexual orientations of each. I will forever love on them, as I love any one who does anything that is wrong (which very much so includes my own failures) But I challenge you as a brother in the faith, don't presume our culture has the authority to change or rearrange Gods inerrant words. I certainly am not qualified, neither are you.
DmitriBrianavich 1 year ago
@revadam77 "divorce and remarriage is wrong, but we as a society accept that"
As a Christian, you are called to oppose society. If you are basing your morals on what society accepts, then you are not a Christian but a secularist who is morally relative to the world.
DeathToTheseWalls 1 year ago
Read Romans 3:4 and let that be enough said about this topic. No one can justify homosexuality unless they have completely closed their hearts to the Word of God and wish to rewrite scripture to satisfy their own agends
godisalwaysright1 1 year ago 4
thank you for taking the time to talk about this and i think we can all agree to disagree... n we just need to stop hate comments to the LGTB because we are all sons of god
03oli 1 year ago
Homosexuality is sin according to God. All sin is forgiveable IF we believe in the Lord Jesus Christ for our salvation and ask for forgiveness and repent (turn away from that sin). Jesus calls us to 'love one another, as I have loved you'. He does not condemn the repentant, but those who will not believe are condemned already and will die in their sins. His word, His truth - free to all.
loyallady51 1 year ago 5
Very well spoken. This is not a platform to air out if you are gay you have the right to get married. Seems like that is a political issue. Each religious organization has their doctrines and beliefs. If you don't like the doctrines and beliefs of a church, you don't have to belong. Simple. Don't criticize a church that upholds the Bible's views that homosexuality should be avoided. It does state that, sorry. Not misinterpreted, or translated incorrectly. It is a definite
basicmystery 1 year ago 7
Although I disagree with the LDS position that homosexuality is wrong, I am extremely pleased that the church has spoken out against violence, bullying, and discrimination of LGBTs.
DharmaLogos 1 year ago
I empathise with those in homosexual relationships. Even in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, there are members who openly denounce those who practice homosexuality. I feel this spokesperson is putting things into perspective not only for non-members but all of us. Hate the sin, not the sinner. Homosexuals are also children of a Heavenly Father who loves them dearly.
riwhiap 1 year ago 4
I like this. Disagreement with understanding and love. This is an example of a Christian Doing It Right.
HotchieChan2 1 year ago 6
This video just demostrates that the Church does love those who are homosexual just as Jesus Christ would. The teaching of the Holy Bible and the other Scriptures that the Church has are what we believe. Any member that does not follow the Savior is not being a good Christian. No Christian is perfect. Jesus Christ taught us to love all of God's children regardless. So, those that aren't tolerant aren't following the teachings of Christ or our Church. I don't condemn anyone that is different
Greystoke1980 1 year ago 38
@Greystoke1980 ~~~~~~we are Not taught to tolerate, support, or justify sin.
daaronmatthew 1 year ago
@daaronmatthew
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." John 8:7
homosexuality is a sin, but so is adultery, lying, cheating, etc.
i honestly don't know what to do about it. i think maybe it should be illegal. but the point is that no we're not taught to justify sin but do we not sin everyday?
ROCheerleader 1 year ago
@ROCheerleader
Honestly, you don't understand homosexuality. I'm glad that you don't seem to be violent towards LGBT persons, but you simply don't understand homosexuality and those who don't understand something should never be able to criticize it.
Homosexuality is something not chosen, its something a person is born with just as how you are born with feelings towards the opposite gender. God wants Love, He doesn't condemn mutual Love. Especially any Love that He made in the first place.
DannyFDNY 11 months ago 3
@DannyFDNY While I agree that homosexuality is not "chosen", homosexuals who enjoy being homosexual do "choose" to stay homosexual. I believe that a person is not born homosexual either, but as one grows and develops, homosexuality surfaces along with hormones. Hormones determine sexual attraction, and it is through their development that they feel attraction one way or another (or both).
That said, I believe homosexuals are just as human as I am, and deserve to be treated and live as such.
schizowallflower 11 months ago
@DannyFDNY: Again I have partial agreement here. There is not enough scientific evidence to prove homosexuality is something you are born with. You may have an attraction, but it is a CHOICE to act for yourself. My son's father is gay, and suffers terribly by the hands of "Christians" however my church, the LDS church, loves and accepts him. No matter what we understand the persecutions, we still suffer discrimination at the hands of others.
motherandwife1000 11 months ago
@Greystoke1980 Then you are not a disciple of Christ. He did not teach tolerance (Please cite it if you think it is in the Bible). Condemning difference is not the issue (that is to confuse the issue with oversimplicity and ignorance), condemning sin is. We are told to Judge Sin among those professing to be Christians and to lovingly tell others what HE desires for their best life. (Ephesians 4).
eliam05 1 year ago
@eliam05 It never tells us in the bible to condemn sin...we are not to judge others and we are not to bring on Condemnation! Dude Jesus is about love and not judgement. We need to spread the love of Christ, that's the problem with a lot of Christians today we are to busy acting, "holier than thou" than actually having doing what we are meant too! Which is love everyone!!! You may disagree and that's okay, but I just really want everyone who reads this to know that Jesus loves you no matter what!
iluvRENT07 11 months ago
@Greystoke1980 Yes, I would say that as followers of Christ, we are to condemn evil actions like homosexuality, but never to be cruel to the individuals, as we are all sinners
ilyuktgmailcom 11 months ago
@Greystoke1980: I am not entirely sure where you got your information from. He very clearly expresses the exact opposite. It is not the person we do not love, it is the sin. That said, he indicated that we DO NOT condone any persecution of ANY person for ANY reason. We of all people understand it, and have NO legal help to correct the murders and wrongs committed against us. Marriage is only between man and woman. (Adam and Eve, it wasn't Adam and Steve) It is a CHOICE to act.
motherandwife1000 11 months ago 2
@Greystoke1980 I understand that we must love everyone no matter what.But Jesus Christ does condemn homosexuality."Homosexual offenders shall not inherit the kingdom of heaven"Does that mean be rude and mean to someone just because of the sexual preference of that individual?By no means! Instead, as Christians,we must love them,and show them in a kind and loving manner, that homosexuality is condemnable by eternal death. Jesus still loves them, but He hates the sin. Love the sinner, hate the sin
Kushan250 11 months ago 45
@Kushan250 Paul the Apostle clearly taught that those who have faith that Jesus Christ has power to overcome all challenges and that those who have faith in Christ, repent and turn away from their errors, and are baptised can inherit the kingdom of Heaven. For good reason Satan is also known as the destroyer; he and his sympathizers revel in destruction. If all humanity practiced homosexuality, no offspring would be born to replace those who die. Mankind would dwindle into extinction.
2bulator 11 months ago 2
@2bulator (con't)
I honestly believe the Lord has given a unique assignment to each of us- to help balance the population, especially when so many can be orphaned or unwanted! Therefore, in His great design and as it is His will, he most loved creation, Mankind, will NOT dwindle into extinction!
sumgr8rwrd 11 months ago
@Kushan250 Where does Jesus Christ condemn homosexuality? What passage?
AMcGrath82 11 months ago 2
@AMcGrath82 In Romans 1:24-28, Paul addresses this issue. Hope that helps. Enjoy your day :)
OPiguy35 11 months ago
@AMcGrath82 quite a few places actually.....OMGosh where do you want me to start? 1 Corinthians 6:9, Leviticus 18:22, 20:13, it's also spoken against in Deuteronomy....................let me know after you have read these passages.
kjb2835 11 months ago
@AMcGrath82 nowhere. That's where. And I know Jesus.
heavenshaffer 11 months ago
Since the very beginning Jehovah (Jesus Christ) condemned all things that lead to our eventual destruction. We were given commandments to help us circumvent physical and spiritual destruction while receiving the blessings that this life has to offer as we walk on the "strait and narrow path" that leads to life eternal (eternal joy and happiness). I am grateful to understand these principles of success that he gave us through His authorized servants as found in the scriptures.
tfwaters 11 months ago
@tfwaters - By "His authorized servants" you mean only those 'Mormons'/LDS members ordained to specific offices, right? In LDS scripture, Doctrine & Covenants/D&C 132 it equates eternal lives with literal godhood, not only a celestial salvation, but the highest level of celestial salvation. Are U saying "eternal joy and happiness" is godhood, or that all in celestial kingdom ('heaven' is best non-LDS counterpart), no matter what level?
harry4health 9 months ago
@AMcGrath82 When in question, the senior Apostle Paul expounded upon the difference between lust and love. While addressing Timothy and the Galatian Saints by epistle, Paul listed the "works of the flesh" (lust) and the "fruits of the spirit" (love) and gave the eternal results of both----
tfwaters 11 months ago
@tfwaters So if a person feels love for the opposite sex, it's not because God made them that way? I'm sorry, but I've read plenty of Bible passages that I feel were the work of man -- not God -- hence the endorsement of slavery and the events where God slew men for trivial reasons. I do not believe God endorsed or even did these things -- man, via his free will, wrote them into the Bible -- so why is it we can now admit slavery is wrong, when the bible says otherwise?
AMcGrath82 10 months ago 2
@AMcGrath82 You are right. Thank you for making a level headed, thought out comment amidst the sea of trolls. The scripture must be read with proper context, and with the understanding that it has been written and translated by imperfect humans, thusly flaws and inconsistencies are bound to appear. It is up to the reader to seek the truth amidst the writings, and to discern the opinions of the writers from the word of god.
watchmen097785 10 months ago
@AMcGrath82 That's why we believe in the infallibiliy of the "original" autographs. I sincerely hope you don't believe yourself. No one could make up the Bible if they tried. Call it a guess, but I bet you have never read through the entire Bible to judge for yourself, have you? You just believe everyone else, and think it's your excuse before God. I pray God will grant you eyes to see the truth.
2001BornAgain 9 months ago
LUST: Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envying, murders, drunkenness, reveling, without understanding, covenant-breakers, without natural-affection, implacable, unmerciful, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good.
tfwaters 11 months ago
@AMcGrath82 1 corinthians 6:9-10
actingboy15 7 months ago
@Kushan250
well said!
sumgr8rwrd 11 months ago
@Kushan250 yeah but he also says to obey his commandments and most Christians can't even keep the Sabbath day holy and don't worry about using his name in vain (how often do you hear "oh my God" now a days? I consider it a pretty vain use). In fact, most all Christian churches are totally ignoring this, except for the LDS Church they seem to be the only people
djbummy16 9 months ago
@Kushan250 Excuse me but I was wondering where you were quoting that from exactly?...
Yamano 9 months ago
@Kushan250 Kushan .. I am interested in knowing where Jesus Christ said that .. "Homosexual offenders shall not inherit the kingdom of heaven." Be very careful with your answer because I DO know what I am talking about and I DO know the answer to the question I am asking you. Are you game to be honest and tell me?
LifterwiII 8 months ago
@LifterwiII 1 Corinthians 6: 9-10
actingboy15 7 months ago
Your forgetting that God progresses faster than any other being in this universe, and over a time has developed an understanding for things once misunderstood.
magewarrior57 8 months ago
@magewarrior57 I believe that God progresses but he does not change. Sin is sin, always has been, always will be. A god that can "figure something out" is not God. But i dont know if that was your point. I think this video showed the Mormon churches stance very well.
highvalleycowboy1 7 months ago 3
@Kushan250 help me out with chapter and verse please...i know of no reference by Jesus
blofquist 8 months ago
@Kushan250 hey man i've been helping you out by responding to a lot of peoples question on the reference its 1 corinthians 6:9-10 next time remember to include that so people won't question your sources. :) God bless ya dude
actingboy15 7 months ago
@Greystoke1980 very well put!!! I too am a Christian and so many non-Christians think that because we OPPOSE homosexuality, that we generally HATE HOMOSEXUALS~~~~~THIS IS SO NOT TRUE for most Christians, unfortunately, I can't say ALL CHRISTIANS would agree (and that's where I can quote you on 'Any member that does not follow the Savior is not being a good Christian'.....................JESUS LOVES THE SINNER, BUT HATES THE SIN AND SO DO I!!!
kjb2835 11 months ago
@kjb2835 Amen.
2001BornAgain 9 months ago