I feel sorry for you guys. We are having some problems here but its nothing like in Australia and the UK. I some times am upset when I think about the gun laws they want to put into effect here in the US, but when you remember that a simple AR-15 is all but impossible to get in other country's you feel kind of lucky.
I have a solution to the UK gun problem. Fear mass murder? Make people take a mental heath evaluation. If you are crazy you can't get a firearm. Bi polar, depressive disorders, ADHD and others do not count. Once you pass that apply for your firearms license pass a safety course, show you have the ability to responsibly maintain and keep fire arms. Once you get the license you can own and carry what ever you want. Process takes 6 months.
@kenny01622 thats not the point though is it? Its a relection on our government, if it cannot trust us to be trully be armed, how can we trust them? also semis higher then .22 are baned yet there are .308 rifles made for hunting they have a "legitimate purpose" yet are illegal, yet this which has no point in the uk asside from target shooting(which an ar 15 also has) yet is legal, silly uk gun laws
@TheAlexagius We cant but Id rather trust a trained soldier with an SA80 assault rifle than someone with little training who just picked one up from the gun store, who could be a raging lunatic.
@kenny01622 1) Its easyer to get illegal firarms (like say an uzi which is far better at killing people) than a legal gun 2) you need a licince in the uk and I'm not saying to do away with that, but if your not a criminal and sane why not? you could get then illegally(like the IRA) but asa law abiding perosn you don't 3) If your going to murder someone with a gun a law saying you can't own a specific gun won't stop you, you can get pistols off the street for £50 4) what you are saying regarding
@kenny01622 soldeirs is your rather give a man who has been trained to kill a gun than a man that has revied no training to kill? I agree you need skill but we should do what they do in finland, to aquire a gun you need to prove you can safly handle one. 5) Do you live in the UK? If you do and own a fiearm, or know anyone who owns a firearm, you'll know you can't just walkinto a gun store and pick up a gun and the ones you get legally in the uk are useless in a combat(aka you want to kill as
@kenny01622 many people as possible) an illegal gun fits the job and most guns used in crime (such as handguns) have been banned, gun control does not work, all it does is it stops sane people like me or you if we choose from owning a wide verialy of firams and makes us easyer for an ever arming ciminal under world, I'd trust my life to myself before someone i don't know
@kenny01622 also the legitimate purpose argument is void, why? Take cars(i use them as more people are killed because of them) you can get a sports car than can go 200 miles an hour, that has no purpose other than to break the law or race, now racings fun, like shooting say an AR-15, statisicly guns are safer than cars yet we don't have sports car(the machine guns of cars) banned, do we? Lets take TVs you don't need a 50 inch plasma scream all it does it use more energy and use more resorces
@TheAlexagius Anyone in the UK is entitled to own a weapon but they have to prove they need it and have the space to shoot, i.e adequate land or access to a range, this makes sense and means gun crime is controlled and very low
@kenny01622 exactly so not supporting your point is it? I have not diagreed with these facts your've presebted, also the reason gun crime is so low is 1) we have few big cities(aka london size were in the usa most crime happens) 2) we have far less of a drug problem than the usa and be we are not bordered by politically unstable crime ridden countires(like the usa is with mexico). The lecencing ect make scene ristricitons on what you can own doesn't, also "prove they need it" is not true its
@TheAlexagius Theyre not stupid and tight they r based around necessity i,.e u need one u apply for one which makes sense and no one complains about it thats the point, why fix or change something that everyone is fine with? Legalizing certain weapons would only please a minority to negatively effect a majority, look at raoul moat thats the problem with guns it takes one Psycho to loose their temper and allot of people suffer, they dont serve to make society safer but a more dangerous place.
@kenny01622 well even with all the tight gun laws, Psychos still go and masacare people, arn armed socioty is safer as that Psycho would get shot by a citezen protecting the lives of others the police would be able to deal with a shooter without needed special "armed" police, most countires police are armed so they can deal with armed criminals, Psychos can quite easly purchase guns illegally to kill people, also the Psycho argument works agaist and legal gun ownership including the one you
@TheAlexagius Legal gun owners r checked and have to have a reference given by a doctor statiang theyre safe etc, and yeh police should carry guns but citizens should not and quite easily u make it sound extremely easy, u need to know the right people i mean do u know where to illegally buy a gun in the uk?
@kenny01622 support, they are not based around necisity either, also giving some hunters semi autos rifles would not affect socioty negitivly thats a stupid assumtion to make, what you are sayin is a semi auto in a calibier higher than .22 in the hands of a hunter effects negitivly on socioty? I cannot see how legalising guns for hunters effects negitivly on socioty. I don't think you understand if you want a gun you can get one aks uzis handguns, have all been revovered off the streets of
@kenny01622 london all have been illegal before thier invention, if you want to kill people its easier to get an illegal gun to do so, and illegal guns are readly availible for Psychos rapists and murderers, you call that safe? I think a safe socioty alows those who may other wise be killed by a Psycho to properly defend them selves in thier homes(with say a shotgun) and say a tazer or conealed pistol, in the usa CCWs have reduced crime in areas where they are legal, you call the laws good
@kenny01622 and necessary yet after each one crime goes up, in the usa newer laws allowing citizens to defend themseves are proving to reduce crime, it seems you are grosly ignorant and see that the majority of safe reposoniseble legal gun owners should suffer due to criminals with illegal guns killing people, i'll stress this before I finish CRIMINALS DON'T FOLLOW THE LAW, SO IF THEY WANT A GUN TO KILL THEY'LL GET ONE.
@TheAlexagius At the end of the day like I said the majority shouldn't be made to suffer in order to benefit the minority, gun laws concentrate on the safety of the people within this country, .223 calibre semi auto rifles werent banned for no reason it was due to a string of murders, and ignorant no I understand criminals will arm themselves but there arent armed criminals all over the country its in particular, normally small areas, with very high crime due to poverty etc
@kenny01622 And to solve that problem u arm the police in those areas to protect the public, plus for the majority of us we are safe in the knowledge that we will probably never be attacked by an armed criminal
@kenny01622 I don't think you understand what I am saying, the murderer did what? Broke the law so was a criminal, criminals can and do aquire banned guns, like the IRA did, it doesn't slow or prevent gun crime, it just stops you and me from defending ourselves.
@TheAlexagius Oh yeh but the gun laws are there to protect people, the Hungerford massacre proved this as the guy had semi automatic .223 rifles and shotguns, thats why they changed the laws, not for no reason but because these specific types had been used to kill a large number of people, and can you imagine if everyone had firearms how much these types of incidents would increase, and stop us from defending ourselves get real u and me and the majority of people are not as risk
@kenny01622 i don't think you are reading my replies? If not it seems this is going no where. Crazy murderer types can aquire these semi autos and machine guns off the blakc market, terrorists like the IRA are proff that even with mrtial law you cannot prevent it, if everyone who was sane had registered legal firarms, gun crime would not increase, why? Well 1) The people who own the guns would be law abiding, aka not criminals, as as I have repeated criminals aquire guns illegally, and so would
@kenny01622 use them within the law 2) If a criminal thinks you may be armed, they are less likly to attack you on acount you may fight back and win, but if they know you are unarmed you are an easy target, sure gun crime is higher in the usa(its far bigger than the uk and lets not forget the drug gang problem) but at least you can protect your self from an armed crazy attacker like in the Hungerford massacre, gun laws in this country are changed not through logical though but through mindless
@kenny01622 fear of another masacer, not taking into consider ation who buys guns legally, and how ciminals, the ones killing, can get get guns, in any country you can get pretty much what you want, drugs and guns are used by criminals who break the law to get them and use them ulawfully, gun owners don't they obey the law, why should I be penalised for the crimes of others? that is non senceical.
@kenny01622 a vailed reason, the only thing you NEED a gun for is to defend yourself from say an armed robber in your house(which isn't a valied reason) were as a genuine reason inclued target shooting, no one NEEDS to target shoot at a rifle club but people choose to the same with hunting you don' NEED to hunt but you chose to. The valied reason sytem in my opions is a) badly done (aka doesn't inclued what is should) and b) is unessesary, why can't some one own a gun for no "valid reason"?
@TheAlexagius Plus if certain types of knifes and other melee weapons r banned then it definitely makes sense to ban firearms which are ten times more lethal otherwise it makes the whole system look pretty foolish if u cant buy a butterfly knife but can buy an AR15 assault rifle with a license that is relatively easy to obtain/
@kenny01622 1) i'm not saying don't licence i'm pro licencing, i belive though if you are menally sane and no Psycho then why shouldn't you have an AR-15(its not an assult rifle as it is not capably of fully automatic fire), also statisticly knives kill more people in the uk so are more deadly based on statistics, honestly do i know where to buy a legal guns(why do you want one? that is a dodgy quesion to ask) personally no, but as with drugs they are easy to come by
@kenny01622 i'm no criminal so strangly i don't get involved with criminals, but if 200 guns are confiscated off the streets of london every month they are readily availible, i'm sure if i tried a i could get an illegal gun but i'm not a criminal so i won't try and i don't advise you to either, i'm not saying ban knives you seem not to be able to interprate me properly, i have to problem with knives, all should be legal, as with guns but licenced, the IRA used AR-15 against the british, they
@kenny01622 obtained them legally in a martial law state its far easyer in a state with no one but criminals armed, i'm not advocating eveyone brissling in bullets like somalia, what i'm saying is 1) self defence is the best and should be considered a "legitimate reason" 2) if you are proven to be sane then you should have access to any firearm 3) police should be armed with guns( pistols) 4) people should have a usa style defence right, castle doctrine if an amred criminal comes on your
@kenny01622 property, you have a right to kill the armed criminal to prevent bodily harm to yourself and others 5) an AR-15 is not an assult rifle, when taling about guns difine them correctly, thats like saying semi automatic machine gun contradictoty nonsence
@kenny01622 if they're law abiding whats wrong? I know the uk firarms laws and they are too tight and stupid, and acts (such as the 1997 handgun ban) havn't reduced crime (in fact it has increased in the uk) in the uk in 2007 "507 serious injuries" a year involving firearms(a direct quote from thr bbc can't put link as youtube says error on comment) and this is discoung air "guns" they are no firarms(ven though over a cirtain stength they are defined as such but thats beacuse they cannot read a
@kenny01622 dictionary) here is link to uk gun crime(could only get up till 2001 but it shows the increase from 1997) news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/uk/03/gun_crime_01_02/html/crime_97_02.stm
@kenny01622 so ourr crime may be low but eccesive gun control is increasing it, like I said before this gun has no NEED or real use but say an m14, semi auto .308, has a hunting purpose(while this doesn't) yet is banned
@kenny01622 but its far nicer and more fun to whatch TV in HD, lets take crossbows, they in the uk have no other purpose than to target shoot(hunting with them is illegal) yet they are allowd, you can have repeater crossbows with fast firerates conpleatly unliceenced, yet an ar-15(which you could hun with) is banned as the poloticains say its a milirary rifles made to kill, also its not an Assult rifle like the SA80 its a semi auto center fire rifles thar looks like an m16, nothing more
@NineZeroSix906 You can only get lever release on 9mm at the moment due to the action being blowback, you probably saw a cocking handle attached to the bolt of a Bradley, see my Bradley video to watch one in action.
It is nice to see the genius of gun manufacturers working in compliance with silly laws to make useful inventions - in this case it looks like a lot of fun.
@TheAlexagius If you have storage and no convictions its not too hard - Join a shooting club then apply to the police for a FAC, order rifle (currently 3 month waiting list).
@NRAman123 Semi-automatic firearms (except shotguns and .22 rimfires) are banned in the UK. The lever release stops it being semi-automatic but allows for a similar rate of fire (compared to, say, a bolt action).
Ordered mine in April this year, got it three weeks ago. Only used it indoors so far but I am pleased with it. Off to Bisley next week. Has a SGC .223 before this and wish I hadn't sold it.
@WatchRyder I'v had an idea... would MP5's be legal in the UK (In semi automatic versions) since they're 9mm I think... though weather they are large eneugh... has to be over a certain size doesn't it?
@EvilLamas@EvilLamas Basic rule of thumb is... Rifles* Centerfire (.223, .308, 9mm)= Manuel Loading I.e. bolt action, straight pull or lever action as seen here. Rimfire (.17hmr, .22lr)= Semi-Auto No full auto unless a section 5 certificate is possessed. Handguns* Black powder pistols = Legal Long barrelled revolvers = Legal Semi-Autos = Legal only in Northern Ireland or in GB as section 5. Shotguns* Shotgun cert= 2 capacity max mag FAC cert= 3+ capacity mag I'm lucky in NI! :)
@EvilLamas Basic rule of thumb is... Rifles* Centerfire (.223, .308, 9mm)= Manuel Loading I.e. bolt action, straight pull or lever action as seen here. Rimfire (.17hmr, .22lr)= Semi-Auto No full auto unless a section 5 certificate is possessed. Handguns* Black powder pistols = Legal Long barrelled revolvers = Legal Semi-Autos = Legal only in Northern Ireland or in GB as section 5. Shotguns* Shotgun cert= 2 capacity max mag FAC cert= 3+ capacity mag I'm lucky in NI! :)
@ArmedBrit section 5 is 'firearms subject to general prohibition......to have one though you need authority from the defence council so its not really a FAC! its a lot more then 3 people that have them it not easy to get though !
yes it is, you just need authorisation from a higher power from the police, thats like saying a tracked vehicle licence is not a driving licence because its not for cars.
i know there are more than 3 i was exaggerating for comedic effect.
@dansubaru How much would of one these cost? I might order one if I know how much to save up. Also can you replace the uppers handguard, say to a quadrail?
Not banned. I know 3 people who have now had them given back to them by there local police force. Bob from SGC was at the Bisley flogging them this weekend so looks like all is well
Not banned. I know 3 people who have now had them given back to them by there local police force. Bob from SGC was at the Bisley flogging them this weekend so looks like all is well
Not banned. I know 3 people who have now had them given back to them by there local police force. Bob from SGC was at the Bisley flogging them this weekend so looks like all is well
the 1988 amendment to the 1968Act, amongst other things, put into Section 5 'self-loading' and 'pump-action' rifles chambered for anything other than .22 rimfire. It is quite specific and these are the only action types specified. AFAIK it was an arbitrary choice and not based on any science.
If you go down the route of 'rounds per minute' bans you get some real problems -- just think about a mad minute with a SMLE -- the record I believe stands at 37 hits on a man-target @ 200 yards.
Well it's about time UK gun owners were given a break from all that. Disarming a responsible citizenry of it's rifles isn't what the UK is about. So this is good news :)
Just received this email communication from SGC regarding the 9mm unicorn
TO ALL 9MM OWNERS,
WE HAVE BEEN INFORMED THAT THE FORENSIC SCIENCE LAB EXAMINED THE PRODUCTION RIFLE AND FOUND IT TO BE SECTION 1, NOT SECTION 5, DEVON AND CORNWALL POLICE ARE WAITING FOR PERMISSION TO DO ANYTHING FROM THE HOME OFFICE, WE WILL KEEP YOU INFORMED OF ANY FURTHER DEVELOPEMENTS AS WE GET TO KNOW THEM,
It's in the hands of SGC, they are liasing with the police right now, currently all the Unicorns have been siezed, we may get them back, or get modified rifles or maybe a refund, who knows.
@famasdan Why? British citizens dont care for guns enough to bother which kinda shows we have a much more healthy society, I mean why do we need .223 assualt rifles for hunting when with a licence u can get a .223 rifle which is much more suited for hunting or a shotgun with the right licenses? We dont see home defence as a suitable reason to need a firearm and most people in the UK wouldtnt blow an intruders head of because that, as it should be, is illegal as shooting unarmed people is wrong.
@kenny01622 It's obvious you dont understand why a person needs a gun, it isn't about hunting or even so much home defense. although if they threaten your life your within your rights to defend your self. See when the military and govt can own guns and the people are restricted to such a degree that if a misuse of power were ever to happen you could not defend your self or your family, thats the true reason for people to own guns, defense from a out of control govt., defense of life liber
@famasdan Thats such American b.s to protect your liberty, a misuse of power thats already happened Iraq is a prime example but the reality is even if they misuse their power they will be smart enough to ensure the people never find out, plus your gun crime rates are very high, whereas in the UK we have guns but only with a license and they r very low so u do the maths smart ass.
@kenny01622 to protect your liberty from a tyrannical govt. dumb ass your on some bullshit pull your head out of you're ass. i am not talking about what my govt is doing in Iraq or if i agree with it or not. i'm talking about remaining free from tyrants and oppressive govt.
@famasdan I think our gun laws r great it controls weapons and means the only way to get firearms is illegally for criminals and therefore this prevents gun crime from getting out of control, and it works, compare US and British gun crime, the difference is u dont buy a sports care to make it easier to kill people and thats what assault rifles are designed for to make it easier to kill someone, and most people plus next time try and spell when trying to write a convincing argument.
@kenny01622 I think i did a fairly good job. dont talk to me about spelling retard, go on about your bullshit about gun control maybe that works for small minded slaves that believe liberal media.
I'm sorry you guys in the UK even had to think up such a thing. I'm sure glad things worked out for US in in the 1780s....
ITSA556 2 weeks ago
wouldn't it go semi if you held the release down? or have the FCG/bolt carrier been modified to prevent this?
p00pl0rd 7 months ago
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PCMoDz69 8 months ago
how much does it cost?
JUNAID187 8 months ago
@JUNAID187 £1322.57
dansubaru 8 months ago
@dansubaru
does that include the electronic sight ?
JUNAID187 8 months ago
I feel sorry for you guys. We are having some problems here but its nothing like in Australia and the UK. I some times am upset when I think about the gun laws they want to put into effect here in the US, but when you remember that a simple AR-15 is all but impossible to get in other country's you feel kind of lucky.
ERF420 9 months ago 3
Wow, that's pretty smart! Pretty stupid you have to deal with those shit laws over in the U.K.
safewaysecurity 9 months ago 7
And I thought California gun laws sucked...
mkkeele 9 months ago 13
@mkkeele its hard to be a gun lover in the uk, well at least we have no mag limits in our long guns
TheAlexagius 9 months ago 3
@mkkeele leat theres no mag limit
TheAlexagius 1 month ago
I have a solution to the UK gun problem. Fear mass murder? Make people take a mental heath evaluation. If you are crazy you can't get a firearm. Bi polar, depressive disorders, ADHD and others do not count. Once you pass that apply for your firearms license pass a safety course, show you have the ability to responsibly maintain and keep fire arms. Once you get the license you can own and carry what ever you want. Process takes 6 months.
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famasdan 9 months ago
so you have to push a button after each shot? howmuch do they cost and where do i get one??? :D
cianw10 10 months ago
@cianw10 Thats right, southern-gun.co.uk sell them for £1322.57
dansubaru 10 months ago
@dansubaru way too overpriced in the usa you could get mid/high range ar 15
TheAlexagius 9 months ago
@TheAlexagius Yep but why would u need one? Im applying for a gun licence to get a .223 and would prefer it over an assault rifle any day for hunting
kenny01622 9 months ago
@kenny01622 thats not the point though is it? Its a relection on our government, if it cannot trust us to be trully be armed, how can we trust them? also semis higher then .22 are baned yet there are .308 rifles made for hunting they have a "legitimate purpose" yet are illegal, yet this which has no point in the uk asside from target shooting(which an ar 15 also has) yet is legal, silly uk gun laws
TheAlexagius 9 months ago
@TheAlexagius We cant but Id rather trust a trained soldier with an SA80 assault rifle than someone with little training who just picked one up from the gun store, who could be a raging lunatic.
kenny01622 9 months ago
@kenny01622 1) Its easyer to get illegal firarms (like say an uzi which is far better at killing people) than a legal gun 2) you need a licince in the uk and I'm not saying to do away with that, but if your not a criminal and sane why not? you could get then illegally(like the IRA) but asa law abiding perosn you don't 3) If your going to murder someone with a gun a law saying you can't own a specific gun won't stop you, you can get pistols off the street for £50 4) what you are saying regarding
TheAlexagius 9 months ago
@kenny01622 soldeirs is your rather give a man who has been trained to kill a gun than a man that has revied no training to kill? I agree you need skill but we should do what they do in finland, to aquire a gun you need to prove you can safly handle one. 5) Do you live in the UK? If you do and own a fiearm, or know anyone who owns a firearm, you'll know you can't just walkinto a gun store and pick up a gun and the ones you get legally in the uk are useless in a combat(aka you want to kill as
TheAlexagius 9 months ago
@kenny01622 many people as possible) an illegal gun fits the job and most guns used in crime (such as handguns) have been banned, gun control does not work, all it does is it stops sane people like me or you if we choose from owning a wide verialy of firams and makes us easyer for an ever arming ciminal under world, I'd trust my life to myself before someone i don't know
TheAlexagius 9 months ago
@kenny01622 also the legitimate purpose argument is void, why? Take cars(i use them as more people are killed because of them) you can get a sports car than can go 200 miles an hour, that has no purpose other than to break the law or race, now racings fun, like shooting say an AR-15, statisicly guns are safer than cars yet we don't have sports car(the machine guns of cars) banned, do we? Lets take TVs you don't need a 50 inch plasma scream all it does it use more energy and use more resorces
TheAlexagius 9 months ago
@TheAlexagius Anyone in the UK is entitled to own a weapon but they have to prove they need it and have the space to shoot, i.e adequate land or access to a range, this makes sense and means gun crime is controlled and very low
kenny01622 9 months ago
@kenny01622 exactly so not supporting your point is it? I have not diagreed with these facts your've presebted, also the reason gun crime is so low is 1) we have few big cities(aka london size were in the usa most crime happens) 2) we have far less of a drug problem than the usa and be we are not bordered by politically unstable crime ridden countires(like the usa is with mexico). The lecencing ect make scene ristricitons on what you can own doesn't, also "prove they need it" is not true its
TheAlexagius 9 months ago
@TheAlexagius Theyre not stupid and tight they r based around necessity i,.e u need one u apply for one which makes sense and no one complains about it thats the point, why fix or change something that everyone is fine with? Legalizing certain weapons would only please a minority to negatively effect a majority, look at raoul moat thats the problem with guns it takes one Psycho to loose their temper and allot of people suffer, they dont serve to make society safer but a more dangerous place.
kenny01622 9 months ago
@kenny01622 well even with all the tight gun laws, Psychos still go and masacare people, arn armed socioty is safer as that Psycho would get shot by a citezen protecting the lives of others the police would be able to deal with a shooter without needed special "armed" police, most countires police are armed so they can deal with armed criminals, Psychos can quite easly purchase guns illegally to kill people, also the Psycho argument works agaist and legal gun ownership including the one you
TheAlexagius 9 months ago
@TheAlexagius Legal gun owners r checked and have to have a reference given by a doctor statiang theyre safe etc, and yeh police should carry guns but citizens should not and quite easily u make it sound extremely easy, u need to know the right people i mean do u know where to illegally buy a gun in the uk?
kenny01622 9 months ago
@kenny01622 support, they are not based around necisity either, also giving some hunters semi autos rifles would not affect socioty negitivly thats a stupid assumtion to make, what you are sayin is a semi auto in a calibier higher than .22 in the hands of a hunter effects negitivly on socioty? I cannot see how legalising guns for hunters effects negitivly on socioty. I don't think you understand if you want a gun you can get one aks uzis handguns, have all been revovered off the streets of
TheAlexagius 9 months ago
@kenny01622 london all have been illegal before thier invention, if you want to kill people its easier to get an illegal gun to do so, and illegal guns are readly availible for Psychos rapists and murderers, you call that safe? I think a safe socioty alows those who may other wise be killed by a Psycho to properly defend them selves in thier homes(with say a shotgun) and say a tazer or conealed pistol, in the usa CCWs have reduced crime in areas where they are legal, you call the laws good
TheAlexagius 9 months ago
@kenny01622 and necessary yet after each one crime goes up, in the usa newer laws allowing citizens to defend themseves are proving to reduce crime, it seems you are grosly ignorant and see that the majority of safe reposoniseble legal gun owners should suffer due to criminals with illegal guns killing people, i'll stress this before I finish CRIMINALS DON'T FOLLOW THE LAW, SO IF THEY WANT A GUN TO KILL THEY'LL GET ONE.
TheAlexagius 9 months ago
@TheAlexagius At the end of the day like I said the majority shouldn't be made to suffer in order to benefit the minority, gun laws concentrate on the safety of the people within this country, .223 calibre semi auto rifles werent banned for no reason it was due to a string of murders, and ignorant no I understand criminals will arm themselves but there arent armed criminals all over the country its in particular, normally small areas, with very high crime due to poverty etc
kenny01622 9 months ago
@kenny01622 And to solve that problem u arm the police in those areas to protect the public, plus for the majority of us we are safe in the knowledge that we will probably never be attacked by an armed criminal
kenny01622 9 months ago
@kenny01622 I don't think you understand what I am saying, the murderer did what? Broke the law so was a criminal, criminals can and do aquire banned guns, like the IRA did, it doesn't slow or prevent gun crime, it just stops you and me from defending ourselves.
TheAlexagius 9 months ago
@TheAlexagius Oh yeh but the gun laws are there to protect people, the Hungerford massacre proved this as the guy had semi automatic .223 rifles and shotguns, thats why they changed the laws, not for no reason but because these specific types had been used to kill a large number of people, and can you imagine if everyone had firearms how much these types of incidents would increase, and stop us from defending ourselves get real u and me and the majority of people are not as risk
kenny01622 9 months ago
@kenny01622 i don't think you are reading my replies? If not it seems this is going no where. Crazy murderer types can aquire these semi autos and machine guns off the blakc market, terrorists like the IRA are proff that even with mrtial law you cannot prevent it, if everyone who was sane had registered legal firarms, gun crime would not increase, why? Well 1) The people who own the guns would be law abiding, aka not criminals, as as I have repeated criminals aquire guns illegally, and so would
TheAlexagius 9 months ago
@kenny01622 use them within the law 2) If a criminal thinks you may be armed, they are less likly to attack you on acount you may fight back and win, but if they know you are unarmed you are an easy target, sure gun crime is higher in the usa(its far bigger than the uk and lets not forget the drug gang problem) but at least you can protect your self from an armed crazy attacker like in the Hungerford massacre, gun laws in this country are changed not through logical though but through mindless
TheAlexagius 9 months ago
@kenny01622 fear of another masacer, not taking into consider ation who buys guns legally, and how ciminals, the ones killing, can get get guns, in any country you can get pretty much what you want, drugs and guns are used by criminals who break the law to get them and use them ulawfully, gun owners don't they obey the law, why should I be penalised for the crimes of others? that is non senceical.
TheAlexagius 9 months ago
@kenny01622 a vailed reason, the only thing you NEED a gun for is to defend yourself from say an armed robber in your house(which isn't a valied reason) were as a genuine reason inclued target shooting, no one NEEDS to target shoot at a rifle club but people choose to the same with hunting you don' NEED to hunt but you chose to. The valied reason sytem in my opions is a) badly done (aka doesn't inclued what is should) and b) is unessesary, why can't some one own a gun for no "valid reason"?
TheAlexagius 9 months ago
@TheAlexagius Plus if certain types of knifes and other melee weapons r banned then it definitely makes sense to ban firearms which are ten times more lethal otherwise it makes the whole system look pretty foolish if u cant buy a butterfly knife but can buy an AR15 assault rifle with a license that is relatively easy to obtain/
kenny01622 9 months ago
@kenny01622 1) i'm not saying don't licence i'm pro licencing, i belive though if you are menally sane and no Psycho then why shouldn't you have an AR-15(its not an assult rifle as it is not capably of fully automatic fire), also statisticly knives kill more people in the uk so are more deadly based on statistics, honestly do i know where to buy a legal guns(why do you want one? that is a dodgy quesion to ask) personally no, but as with drugs they are easy to come by
TheAlexagius 9 months ago
@kenny01622 i'm no criminal so strangly i don't get involved with criminals, but if 200 guns are confiscated off the streets of london every month they are readily availible, i'm sure if i tried a i could get an illegal gun but i'm not a criminal so i won't try and i don't advise you to either, i'm not saying ban knives you seem not to be able to interprate me properly, i have to problem with knives, all should be legal, as with guns but licenced, the IRA used AR-15 against the british, they
TheAlexagius 9 months ago
@kenny01622 obtained them legally in a martial law state its far easyer in a state with no one but criminals armed, i'm not advocating eveyone brissling in bullets like somalia, what i'm saying is 1) self defence is the best and should be considered a "legitimate reason" 2) if you are proven to be sane then you should have access to any firearm 3) police should be armed with guns( pistols) 4) people should have a usa style defence right, castle doctrine if an amred criminal comes on your
TheAlexagius 9 months ago
@kenny01622 property, you have a right to kill the armed criminal to prevent bodily harm to yourself and others 5) an AR-15 is not an assult rifle, when taling about guns difine them correctly, thats like saying semi automatic machine gun contradictoty nonsence
TheAlexagius 9 months ago
@kenny01622 if they're law abiding whats wrong? I know the uk firarms laws and they are too tight and stupid, and acts (such as the 1997 handgun ban) havn't reduced crime (in fact it has increased in the uk) in the uk in 2007 "507 serious injuries" a year involving firearms(a direct quote from thr bbc can't put link as youtube says error on comment) and this is discoung air "guns" they are no firarms(ven though over a cirtain stength they are defined as such but thats beacuse they cannot read a
TheAlexagius 9 months ago
@kenny01622 dictionary) here is link to uk gun crime(could only get up till 2001 but it shows the increase from 1997) news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/uk/03/gun_crime_01_02/html/crime_97_02.stm
TheAlexagius 9 months ago
@kenny01622 so ourr crime may be low but eccesive gun control is increasing it, like I said before this gun has no NEED or real use but say an m14, semi auto .308, has a hunting purpose(while this doesn't) yet is banned
TheAlexagius 9 months ago
@kenny01622 but its far nicer and more fun to whatch TV in HD, lets take crossbows, they in the uk have no other purpose than to target shoot(hunting with them is illegal) yet they are allowd, you can have repeater crossbows with fast firerates conpleatly unliceenced, yet an ar-15(which you could hun with) is banned as the poloticains say its a milirary rifles made to kill, also its not an Assult rifle like the SA80 its a semi auto center fire rifles thar looks like an m16, nothing more
TheAlexagius 9 months ago
@dansubaru Thats allot for a rifle which really has little range
kenny01622 9 months ago
how is this legal?
cianw10 10 months ago
@cianw10 It's NOT a semi auto, it locks open after every shot.
dansubaru 10 months ago
Can't you get the lever release on the Bradley Arms & SGC AR15's? I swear I saw one before but no one seems to know if you can?!
NineZeroSix906 10 months ago
@NineZeroSix906 You can only get lever release on 9mm at the moment due to the action being blowback, you probably saw a cocking handle attached to the bolt of a Bradley, see my Bradley video to watch one in action.
dansubaru 10 months ago
It is nice to see the genius of gun manufacturers working in compliance with silly laws to make useful inventions - in this case it looks like a lot of fun.
M4Mnetwork 10 months ago
how hard is this to get in the uk
TheAlexagius 10 months ago
@TheAlexagius If you have storage and no convictions its not too hard - Join a shooting club then apply to the police for a FAC, order rifle (currently 3 month waiting list).
dansubaru 10 months ago
We need a 223 version please : )
aadrianlee 11 months ago
can you get these in .223 ?
thenoobcannon 1 year ago
@thenoobcannon No sorry not at the moment as the 9mm is straight blowback wheras the .223 would need to be gas operated with a locking bolt.
dansubaru 1 year ago
@dansubaru thanks. maby i should move to the US?
thenoobcannon 1 year ago
Is it possible to configure this for left-handed shooting?
An0nEeMouse 1 year ago
@An0nEeMouse I think you can order it with the lever release on the right, saying that though I would not fancy hot brass whizzing past my face !!
dansubaru 1 year ago
@An0nEeMouse why does it have to be lever released?
NRAman123 10 months ago
@NRAman123 Semi-automatic firearms (except shotguns and .22 rimfires) are banned in the UK. The lever release stops it being semi-automatic but allows for a similar rate of fire (compared to, say, a bolt action).
An0nEeMouse 10 months ago
@An0nEeMouse that sucks man, I live in texas, you can do whatever the fuck you want, it rocks.
NRAman123 10 months ago
are they still going to be offering lever release rifles once the problems are resolved or is this the end of it?
sinbindinchin 1 year ago
@sinbindinchin YES they are, I will have a video of the MK2 rifle up in a few days !
dansubaru 1 year ago
They should just give it you back with the thumb lever removed :D
ColonelAllan 1 year ago
is this legal in .223?
thenoobcannon 1 year ago
@thenoobcannon
i bloody hope so...
ArmedBrit 1 year ago
Interesting, nothing but a manual assisted secondary sear release system.
Anchanthai 1 year ago
so is that lever just a bolt release and something to re-cock the hammer and re-set the sear?
danebrewer10 1 year ago
@danebrewer10 Just a bolt release, the hammer is already set by the bolt blowing open.
dansubaru 1 year ago
@dansubaru that's neat....
danebrewer10 1 year ago
@dansubaru In that case would you be able to hold down the lever release and effectively have the gun complete a full cycle on its own?
mrjimbles84 1 year ago
@mrjimbles84 The new design prevents the bolt cycling twice when the lever is being held down
dansubaru 1 year ago
Just move to Texas and buy some machine guns. Fuck that shit.
labartic 1 year ago 14
@labartic its bullshit ant it
hardman476 1 year ago
@labartic or florida or arizona or any free american state
TheAlexagius 11 months ago
Ordered mine in April this year, got it three weeks ago. Only used it indoors so far but I am pleased with it. Off to Bisley next week. Has a SGC .223 before this and wish I hadn't sold it.
bobbobsnake 1 year ago
Not a loud bang anywhere. Nothing but "Pikew!"
Partyboy128 1 year ago
Get a sling fitted to it man :)
WatchRyder 1 year ago
9mm armalights looks bloody awfull! should put the 9mm inside a normal magazine... would look thousand timeas better.
and yes- I'm vain.
EvilLamas 1 year ago
@EvilLamas
I know what you mean, for now though it rocks how it is :)
WatchRyder 1 year ago
@WatchRyder I'v had an idea... would MP5's be legal in the UK (In semi automatic versions) since they're 9mm I think... though weather they are large eneugh... has to be over a certain size doesn't it?
EvilLamas 1 year ago
@EvilLamas
Nope, they wouldn't.
Anything over .22 is section 5 (illegal) in semi-auto.
The civilianised MP5 we have over here is a GSG5 in .22 for UK Gun Owners.
WatchRyder 1 year ago
@WatchRyder ok- thanks
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O1Chris02 1 year ago
@WatchRyder
section 5 isnt illegal it just means you need a section 5 certificate to own what is classed as section 5.
but then again there are only like 3 people in the uk with section 5 tickets lol.
ArmedBrit 1 year ago
@ArmedBrit section 5 is 'firearms subject to general prohibition......to have one though you need authority from the defence council so its not really a FAC! its a lot more then 3 people that have them it not easy to get though !
hardman476 1 year ago
@hardman476
yes it is, you just need authorisation from a higher power from the police, thats like saying a tracked vehicle licence is not a driving licence because its not for cars.
i know there are more than 3 i was exaggerating for comedic effect.
ArmedBrit 1 year ago
@misterquintus sure did and now back in full production, there is probably quite a waiting list
dansubaru 1 year ago
@dansubaru How much would of one these cost? I might order one if I know how much to save up. Also can you replace the uppers handguard, say to a quadrail?
Thanks
Ashhow 1 year ago
@Ashhow They are roughly £1200 and yes you can switch handguards no problem, pretty much all standard AR parts will fit apart from trigger.
dansubaru 1 year ago
@dansubaru Thanks, going to start saving up, not a bad price considering all the hoopes they had to jumo through to make these.
Ashhow 1 year ago
@misterquintus sure did and now back in full production, there is probably quite a waiting list.
dansubaru 1 year ago
@misterquintus sure did and now back in full production, there is probably quite a waiting list !
dansubaru 1 year ago
Its a shame that they are only made in 9mm,and from what i am told they will never be made in any other calibre.
fastfire97 1 year ago
have u got urs back yet mate
ashley118118 1 year ago
@ashley118118 not yet, it's going back to SGC for further investigation.
dansubaru 1 year ago
@dansubaru
I might look into getting one of those...
WatchRyder 1 year ago
@ashley118118 hope to have it back in a few weeks, the lower receiver has been changed as the old one was finally deemed section 5 (i.e. semi auto)
dansubaru 1 year ago
Not banned. I know 3 people who have now had them given back to them by there local police force. Bob from SGC was at the Bisley flogging them this weekend so looks like all is well
chrismetallica1 1 year ago
Not banned. I know 3 people who have now had them given back to them by there local police force. Bob from SGC was at the Bisley flogging them this weekend so looks like all is well
chrismetallica1 1 year ago
Not banned. I know 3 people who have now had them given back to them by there local police force. Bob from SGC was at the Bisley flogging them this weekend so looks like all is well
chrismetallica1 1 year ago
Been lookin for an actual video of one of these for ages! Any word on whats happening with them yet?
cabbage0dusk 1 year ago
Dan you STILL waiting?
If you are approach the legal team at the NRA Bisley or leave me a msg on my youtube page.
twobellz 1 year ago
Every single rifle individually examined?
That is troubling would suggest a degree of discrimination is at work here.
twobellz 1 year ago
@twobellz
So what's new?
lordsummerisle87 1 year ago
I read on AR-15 forum that someone got his back last night.
ArmondoOrtiz76Lincol 1 year ago
Yes, mine is still with the feds though, every single one produced is being subjected to police testing.
dansubaru 1 year ago
@dansubaru Why are they doing every single one, surely they are all designed in the same way?
Do you think these are going to end up getting banned? They look incredibly fun to shoot, and it's still nowhere near a semi automatic. Bloody laws.
onnet7 1 year ago
@dansubaru
I thought lever action guns were a section 5 firearm?, im sure they come along the same lines as pump action.
Any word? so far mate?
wolfyys 1 year ago
@wolfyys Mine still being tested, standard lever rifles are sect1 i.e. Winchester/Marlin underlevers.
dansubaru 1 year ago
@wolfyys
Lever-actions are probably the most popular design on the 'gallery rifle' circuit in the UK.
In what way are they 'along the same lines' as a pump-action?
lordsummerisle87 1 year ago
@lordsummerisle87
"In what way are they 'along the same lines' as a pump-action?"
In the same sence you get quick reloading, second only to a self-reloading system.
I thought that lever action weapons would have been banned for the same reason pump-action weapons are illegal
wolfyys 1 year ago
@wolfyys
the 1988 amendment to the 1968Act, amongst other things, put into Section 5 'self-loading' and 'pump-action' rifles chambered for anything other than .22 rimfire. It is quite specific and these are the only action types specified. AFAIK it was an arbitrary choice and not based on any science.
If you go down the route of 'rounds per minute' bans you get some real problems -- just think about a mad minute with a SMLE -- the record I believe stands at 37 hits on a man-target @ 200 yards.
lordsummerisle87 1 year ago
@lordsummerisle87
Well it's about time UK gun owners were given a break from all that. Disarming a responsible citizenry of it's rifles isn't what the UK is about. So this is good news :)
WatchRyder 1 year ago
@dansubaru there prbly havin good fun with it
NorthernShooter 1 year ago
Dan
Whats the latest with Bob at SGC?
twobellz 1 year ago
@twobellz
Just scrolled down and read Bob's email, grats brother and let me know if and when you get to Bisley so I can check it out.
twobellz 1 year ago
Very nice!! I've been waiting for a video for ages! Thanks for sharing!
ShootingChannelUK 1 year ago
Just received this email communication from SGC regarding the 9mm unicorn
TO ALL 9MM OWNERS,
WE HAVE BEEN INFORMED THAT THE FORENSIC SCIENCE LAB EXAMINED THE PRODUCTION RIFLE AND FOUND IT TO BE SECTION 1, NOT SECTION 5, DEVON AND CORNWALL POLICE ARE WAITING FOR PERMISSION TO DO ANYTHING FROM THE HOME OFFICE, WE WILL KEEP YOU INFORMED OF ANY FURTHER DEVELOPEMENTS AS WE GET TO KNOW THEM,
BEST REGARDS
BOB CLARK
NorthernShooter 1 year ago
So where does it stand now ? what's going to happen ?
ArmondoOrtiz76Lincol 1 year ago
Did u get it back ?
NorthernShooter 1 year ago
Seized?
Damn, they are really overreacting, seems to me that they want to cover their asses after a screw up.
Hope you get a refund :-(
twobellz 2 years ago
Is it banned yet ?
CRC1770 2 years ago
All were siezed last week, not sure yet if we will get them back ?
dansubaru 2 years ago
Will HO reimburse owners as they had previously approved the design?
twobellz 2 years ago
It's in the hands of SGC, they are liasing with the police right now, currently all the Unicorns have been siezed, we may get them back, or get modified rifles or maybe a refund, who knows.
dansubaru 2 years ago
Didn't Bob just get those in end of last year how come they are illegal, HO had passed it I thought?
twobellz 2 years ago
guys and girls in the uk need to get a political movement to get gun rights back
famasdan 2 years ago 8
@famasdan Why? British citizens dont care for guns enough to bother which kinda shows we have a much more healthy society, I mean why do we need .223 assualt rifles for hunting when with a licence u can get a .223 rifle which is much more suited for hunting or a shotgun with the right licenses? We dont see home defence as a suitable reason to need a firearm and most people in the UK wouldtnt blow an intruders head of because that, as it should be, is illegal as shooting unarmed people is wrong.
kenny01622 9 months ago
@kenny01622 It's obvious you dont understand why a person needs a gun, it isn't about hunting or even so much home defense. although if they threaten your life your within your rights to defend your self. See when the military and govt can own guns and the people are restricted to such a degree that if a misuse of power were ever to happen you could not defend your self or your family, thats the true reason for people to own guns, defense from a out of control govt., defense of life liber
famasdan 9 months ago
@famasdan Thats such American b.s to protect your liberty, a misuse of power thats already happened Iraq is a prime example but the reality is even if they misuse their power they will be smart enough to ensure the people never find out, plus your gun crime rates are very high, whereas in the UK we have guns but only with a license and they r very low so u do the maths smart ass.
kenny01622 9 months ago
@kenny01622 to protect your liberty from a tyrannical govt. dumb ass your on some bullshit pull your head out of you're ass. i am not talking about what my govt is doing in Iraq or if i agree with it or not. i'm talking about remaining free from tyrants and oppressive govt.
famasdan 9 months ago
@famasdan I think our gun laws r great it controls weapons and means the only way to get firearms is illegally for criminals and therefore this prevents gun crime from getting out of control, and it works, compare US and British gun crime, the difference is u dont buy a sports care to make it easier to kill people and thats what assault rifles are designed for to make it easier to kill someone, and most people plus next time try and spell when trying to write a convincing argument.
kenny01622 9 months ago
@kenny01622 I think i did a fairly good job. dont talk to me about spelling retard, go on about your bullshit about gun control maybe that works for small minded slaves that believe liberal media.
famasdan 9 months ago
Youtube "Jimmy Spurs Speed Rifle" to see real fast firing from a classic lever action rifle.
bluezeromix 2 years ago