@mccauley404 It's called a Stabilator. It does move from 9° to 39° and is coupled to the SAS system. As the aircraft slows down, the stabilator drops. As forward airspeed is increased it moves up to a flat position. There was an issue with the stabilator being interfered with by microwave towers in the 80s causing the stabilator to go into full down position while at cruising speed. This condition resulted in many crashes and earned the Blackhawk the nickname "Lawn Dart"
He dumped so much power into the flare he had nothing left to maintain OGE hover. This transitioned into a descent rate that he didn't have the power to recover from. The end result was a replacement of all 4 blades, and sudden stoppage inspections. The aircraft was lowboyed to a maintenance facility and flown 2 weeks later. And civilians don't get within a mile of the Army's Rotorcraft training. NSDQ!!!!!
It's scary to think that some of you claim to be hawk pilots and can't recognize what happened in this video or the fact that this video is used by the Army for crew coordination classes. As a former -60 MTP I can tell you exactly what happened as confirmed by the accident investigation. The HIT check was just barely within limits and they loaded on a full crew and 11 PAX. He exceeded 60 degree pitch limit with that "Cav" flare.
@8LSmith - 236thmedco.00freehost. Here is a website I setup years ago when I was flying MEDEVAC Blackhawks. Note that it is called "Rohrbeck's Page". I am Chief Warrant Officer 3 Rohrbeck. Assclown.
CommonRaven is right, definitely Vortex Ring State. The UH-60 flies with the PCLs set at 100% all the time and Rotor Droop is usually accompanied by uncommanded right yaw due to loss of tail rotor authority when the rotor system RPM decays.
@LYono22 - You really need to do a little research before that kind of comment. ALL military pilots begin their training in small aircraft (not ones quite as ugly as the R22) and learn "finesse" before moving on to REAL (advanced) aircraft. And most REAL pilots know better than to Monday morning quarterback other pilots.
@patmagroin20 Actually you are obviously ill informed and are NOT in any way educated in aviation whatsoever. Number 1, they learn in oh58 (military bell 206), that is NOT the same as an r22. R22s are definitely the most demanding helicopters in the way of basic skills, control and power management. What happened here is RING VORTEX STATE. He developed a sink rate WAY too high as he lost ETL (effective translational lift).... and when you decelerate (quickstop) THE BLADES SPEED UP
@tburns7v - I've been a Blackhawk pilot for 11 years jackass, so I am OBVIOUSLY well informed. Every year during the APART, we cover the vortex ring state and I've actually been in it once, so I know what I am talking about. Jackass. And the R-22 is the second ugliest aircraft ever built, so suck it.
@patmagroin20 HAHAHAHAHAH Areyou serious right now? Ok... so what happens when you decelerate? What happens when you flare a helicopter? You CANT be a pilot of ANY aircraft... you DONT EVEN KNOW THE BASICS... so post some videos of you flying something!!!! From inside the cockpit!!! :) And the R22 is ugly, but if you can fly the 22, you can fly anything.... haha you lying douche!! AHHHH Dont lie about being a pilot to REAL PILOTS... loser!!!!!
From what I can tell he was either doing an autorotation and pulled up WAY to hard to prevent an overspeed and ended up with low RPM, or he did a quickstop and just yanked the collective up. Either way, what a f*cking moron. There goes millions of dollars in taxpayers dollars. The truth of the matter is that civillian trained pilots are way better than military in a lot of way. The military guys don't get the finess from flying the smaller trainer helicopters like R22 and R44.
Wow, reading this kind of makes me laugh. Seems like a bunch a pilots got on here to voice their 2 cents about what happened. I'm a pilot but I'm just guessing the guy tried Hot Dogging and he screwed up ....big time. Luckily the blades didn't fly or splinter off into the crowd of people who are not pilots and have no idea whether that was normal or not.
This was not engine failure. It was comming in too fast and the pilot tried to compensate but his altitude didn't allow him to recover. Also, to the guy that said his rotor "drooped", is completely inaccurate! When flaring one's helicopter like that, rotor speed INCREASES!!!!! duhhhhhhh! Noob!
at 1:28 he's got the whole field to land and he puts it in the trees haha. by the way, if it was ground resonance, and there was 120 degrees between each blade, there would only be three blades there chief so it's 90 for four. I think the helicopter was resonating because it knocked the piss out of that tree with the blade screwing up the track and balance. not a big deal, just giving my two cents.
i have been drawing pictures of black hawk helicopters for 10 minuets now.
with my experience, i shall and will tell you that the best solution would have been to keep it in the air. also ,research and developent shows scientifical data shows that women make my dick hard. lol..... ha ha faggots, get over it, a homo crashed a heli, get over it, its uncle sams tax dollars that pay for that shit any way.
Additionaly, after hitting the ground, Helicopter began to experience what we call ground resonance. The uh 60 is a fully articulated rotor system, also has landing wheels. they are more prone to ground resonance. a shock is transmitted to the rotor blades causing them to become unsynchronized. normally they are 120deg if they are off 1deg, they begin to cause vibrations in the rotor system. thefor, it began to pretty much beat itself up. all of the two situations encountered are pretty evident.
Tell you what, even the environment wasn't the best one... If you look at the tree tops, they're moving and it's not the downwash created by the rotor, but high wind... It probably helped too! ;)
This was NOT stabilator failure as jjrose403 tries to tell us. Look at the stabilator as he lands, it is cycling itself down, just as it should. This guy got himself way too steep, way too fast, and asked the engines to come up to power way too quickly. He was saved by the fact that the Hawk is a tough machine, it stayed together as he banged it down. To have avoided this mishap, he should have been slower earlier, and should have had a shallower angle. He was hotdogging to look cool.
If you look at the winds they are at 3 to 4 Oclock position(quartering right wind) He came in too fast and pretty much did a "quick stop maneuver" This put the aircraft into a Settling with Power" Condition! Helo is basically settling into its own wake. we have three condition here wich puts him into settling witjh power. 1. airspeed les than that of effective translational lift 2. Power is being applied at 20% to 100%, and high rate of descent up to 3oo ft per minute or more
@nicklappos you are right. he tried to show his skills but did not work... if it was other than hawk it would divide into two pieces from the middle...
wow.. i dont know about flying a helicopter(although i will soon), but he dropped pretty quickly, and close to those trees. its amazing how the rotors cut through that maple tree like butter.. but the guy in the background that said "thats normal" is a freakin idiot!
The ECU continues to retard fuel flow until it sees 100% RPMR and only then will it release the fuel. The pilot is making a rapid and large collective pull to arrest the rate of descent. As the rotor RPM passes through 100%, then the ECU starts allowing fuel to be added to the engines, the engines are slow to respond, the rotor droops significantly and in this case the end result is Vortex Ring State and a crash! Pilot error is the cause of this crash.
Transient rotor droop+Settling with Power=CRASH!!!
Transient Rotor Droop is a characteristic of the UH60A helicopter. During an aggressive deceleration the collective is lowered (0 to near 0 torque applied to the main rotor), the aerodynamic flow through the rotor increases rotor rpm above 100%, the Engine Control Unit sees rotor RPM above 100% and attempts to control it by retarding fuel flow. (Continued below)
Alright everyone on here is a complete retard. He lost power to his engines right there was a perfect and beautiful AUTOROTATION. since he lost right near the ground he turned the helicopter to the left away from the crowd, thats why he went into the trees and pulled up on his collective thus beginning the autorotation so he didn't just drop to the ground. if you knew anything about flying helicopters you would be giving this pilot props. freakin morons
@bobeides - Well, I've been flying Blackhawks for 10 years now and I'm telling you that it was not an auto. It was pilot error, and I have read the official accident report.
@ritualghost It looks like that to me. Most people think of settling with power as a higher altitude thing but the truth is once you have those three factors (300 fpm descent low airspeed and the rotor using 20-100% of your available power) you are asking for it.
@patmagroin20 you are right... after most of the show accidents people say that it was a mechanical failure, but in this case you can 100% see that this is a pilot error. I have a question..These aircrafts function normal at regular basis why do they have failure at the shows? Right?
@seerkann - I think it is because people act differently when they know a video camera is on them. Normal standards and procedures don't seem cool enough and they want to stand out....
@patmagroin20 : Hi there, could you possible explain how this happened? I thought at first too that the pilot was executing an auto-rotation maneuver, but the video shows otherwiseand at 0:22the heli abruptly descends rapidly, did the pilot decrease in collective pitch?
@bobeides then why did his rotor continue to gain rpm after touchdown, why is theere engine noise PRIOR to emer engine shut down.. try settling with power you non flying air god stick
You adre not TRUE! there was no auto! With this speed and height it will be insanly luck to make an sucessfull auto landing. He has all the power what he needs, only and HUGE error was that he was lowering height too quickly without forward speed and he got to his own wortex.
@bobeides -sorry my friend that's not an auto, he simply missed his approach (Airspeed too fast) and instead of going around, for whatever reason he decided to continue to land. If it was an autorotation due to engine failure, the blades would not have continued to spin as they did after landing. Pride + Lack of aircrew coordination (other pilot should have been screaming for a go-around) = embarrassment, torn up a/c and probably a trip to the flight board.
You idiots, if you pay attention he flares to much and gets caught in his own downwash and gets caught in what is known as vortex ring, he pulls more collective to reduce decent but this makes the situation worse.
You idiots, if you pay attention he flares to much and gets caught in his own downwash and gets caught in what is known as vortex ring, he pulls more collective to reduce decent but this makes the situation worse, Pilot error for sure.
@bobeides - I actually am a helicopter pilot, unlike you. dont come on here calling people retards, when you have no idea what your talking about! what happened was actually called VORTEX RING STATE. google it. thats when you descend into your own downwash. the tips of rotors(under load) make a ring of vorticies, like thoes on large airplanes. when you have too high a decent rate you fall into them and begin to descend uncontrollably, increasing forward airspeed is the only solution to it.
Shit happenes to everybody juts be glad that nothing flew off I have seen what happenes to a person when a piece of a helicopter hits them an having worked on blackhawks if worse shape than that Id say he was lucky as long as no major breaks were made blades are not that hard to replace just a crane a few Tangos and new blads theirs only 2 pins holding them on anyway with a landing like that tho the shock struts would have needed to be replaced or serviced to and probley other things
Shit happenes to everybody juts be glad that nothing flew off I have seen what happenes to a person when a piece of a helicopter hits them an having worked on blackhawks if worse shape than that Id say he was lucky as long as no major breaks were made blades are not that hard to replace just a crane a few Tangos and new blads theirs only 2 pins holding them on anyway with a landing like that tho the shock struts would have needed to be replaced or serviced to
lucky he didn't crash, huge gust of wind before he landed. a "cowboy" people please watch the videos. I'm no expert but when i see things like wind gusts and then someone comments ohh his GF must have been in the crowd. lucky the pilots are alive and no one in the crowd was killed.
hellcatdave 1 - correct, they are pilots not dirvers, you do not drive any aircraft, you fly it, therefore titled a pilot, not a driver, but being careless and reckless is obvioulsy the issue here, United States Army Pilots should know better than this, especially with women and children a few hundred feet away from the landing site, could any of you imagine what would happen if the blade would have been severed?? instead of only cracked??? HUGE amounts of casualties
This is settling with power. No doubt about it. It means that the mainrotor enters the downwash. By pulling in more power you increase the velocity of the downwash, and the helicopter get an increased decend rate. To get out of this one you have to get some speed so that the main rotor exits the downwash either direction.
If this was skill and excellent piloting during a failure, then what is the excuse for leaving the tail wheel unlocked? I never did fast rope but I don't see how an unlocked tail wheel would help. Adds to recklessness, inexperince, being behind in the cockpit, and overcommiting the aircraft.
that looks more like settling with power, not low rotor rpm. high rate of descent, low airspeed, and more than 20% of power in use. im not an expert, but it looks like settling with power.
@hazeemaru No, it wasnt settling with power or VRS with the amount of forward airspeed. He just came in with too much velocity, and then overpitched it into too much sink rate that the engines couldn't possibly arrest. Also called settling with INSUFFICIENT power.
@stetson6 lol..that was wat is stated in john fay or john d. cotton theory of flight book.. so, wat the different btween settling in power and settling with insufficiet power..? and one thing...r u an airforce army?
@hazeemaru settling with insufficnt pwr is akin to driving a car @ 60 mph at a brick wall, applying the brakes 1 foot from the wall, crashing it, and blaming it on the brakes not working. VRS would be like applying the brakes 250' from the wall and the brake pedal catching the gas pedal "aerodynamically" and speeding up. Question for you grasshopper: what are the conditions required for VRS, and what are the indications, and what is the recovery method...according to your book?
@stetson6 this is about rotorcraft theory of flight, VRS tht occur in rotorcraft or also known as settling in power, which is a dangerous condition of flt. Helicpter will decent with high rate of decent under power (not in autorotation) and in fast rate. The flow down thru the rotor will be oppose by the airflow tending to move up thru the rotor due to fast rate of decent. The effect of recrculation air is to cause tip trbulence,vibration n lost of lift...
@hazeemaru I ask again...what are the conditions required for VRS, and what are the indications, and what is the recovery method...according to your book. Answer me that and I'll explain the detail further otherwise you won't be listening.
@stetson6 and one thing i didnt understand about the exmple tht u give when u talking bout the brake pedal...myb tht is not related to rotorcraft theory of flight... wikipedia oso give a same meaning -> VRS also known as settling in power..
on my way to school, i saw one circle over, and it flew right over my head. i thought it was a twin engine from a distance, the i heard the noise of a helicopter. they make such a unique sound, and that was only my 2nd time seing one fly. that made me happy lol
That M/R touched the trees as the aircraft landed. You can see that. Plus, if that aircraft was having problems with the stab, why would he fly it on a demo show. My only guess is that this occured during the times when EMF used to interfere with the stab sys. There's a possibility that there were no pin filters and cyclic slew up switches. I would give him the benefit of the doubt on why he would just want to put the acft on the ground. Back then that system made widows.
This was at Fort AP Hill and it was intended to be a fast rope demo for the Boy Scouts holding their Jamboree. This particular aircraft had experienced some stabilator failures recently. The pilot included this in his pre-flight brief of the crew. The plan, if there was a failure was to drop the collective and land. There was a failure and the PIC slammed the bird down just like he said he would. After making contact with the ground, the UH-60 bounced forward and struck the trees. Not a cowboy.
@jjrose403 What EP includes dropping the collective for a stabilator failure?? Cyclic mounted stabilator slew up switch adjust....auto control reset push on once after establishing a comfortable airspeed...is the correct action, and is a simple fix. A stabilator failure only could be a problem if your doing over 70 and it programs all the way down. A stabilator failure should never ever cause any 60 pilot to react like this....By the way the cause was settling with power. (UH-60 Pilot US Army)
Now I have to utube a R-22
mergatroidproduction 2 days ago
I flew a Blackhawk in Battlefield 2 Bad Company, I know what IAM talking about...
Yeah! Me!
mergatroidproduction 2 days ago
221SanAndreas is a spy...
mergatroidproduction 2 days ago
@patmagroin20 hey man cn you possibly email me at blackhawkdown438@gmail.com ii just want to ask you a few questions
221SanAndreas 5 days ago
Does the rear horizontal aileron move, or is it fixed? Thanks in advance.
mccauley404 1 week ago
@mccauley404 It's called a Stabilator. It does move from 9° to 39° and is coupled to the SAS system. As the aircraft slows down, the stabilator drops. As forward airspeed is increased it moves up to a flat position. There was an issue with the stabilator being interfered with by microwave towers in the 80s causing the stabilator to go into full down position while at cruising speed. This condition resulted in many crashes and earned the Blackhawk the nickname "Lawn Dart"
jeepasaurusrex 1 week ago
@jeepasaurusrex Thank you very much
mccauley404 1 week ago
He dumped so much power into the flare he had nothing left to maintain OGE hover. This transitioned into a descent rate that he didn't have the power to recover from. The end result was a replacement of all 4 blades, and sudden stoppage inspections. The aircraft was lowboyed to a maintenance facility and flown 2 weeks later. And civilians don't get within a mile of the Army's Rotorcraft training. NSDQ!!!!!
Rotordoc550 1 month ago
It's scary to think that some of you claim to be hawk pilots and can't recognize what happened in this video or the fact that this video is used by the Army for crew coordination classes. As a former -60 MTP I can tell you exactly what happened as confirmed by the accident investigation. The HIT check was just barely within limits and they loaded on a full crew and 11 PAX. He exceeded 60 degree pitch limit with that "Cav" flare.
Rotordoc550 1 month ago
Pendejo !!
8LSmith 1 month ago
@8LSmith - 236thmedco.00freehost. Here is a website I setup years ago when I was flying MEDEVAC Blackhawks. Note that it is called "Rohrbeck's Page". I am Chief Warrant Officer 3 Rohrbeck. Assclown.
patmagroin20 1 month ago
Anyone else hear the guy at 0:53 say "that's normal"? I beg to differ.
WiredrawnMurder45 1 month ago
CommonRaven is right, definitely Vortex Ring State. The UH-60 flies with the PCLs set at 100% all the time and Rotor Droop is usually accompanied by uncommanded right yaw due to loss of tail rotor authority when the rotor system RPM decays.
mechpilot0083 1 month ago
Pilots a dumbass probly didn't listen to his crew chiefs.
solidfox000 1 month ago
It's still is an awful sight to see...
Dongskie2 1 month ago
@CommonRaven thanks mate, ill try and do this to my RC heli :)
Dongskie2 1 month ago
Now THATS how you cut down a tree!
Apophis392 1 month ago
Very expensive way to cut down a tree that's in your way.
eimb1999 1 month ago in playlist helicopter crashes
Far better view now that those trees have been clipped....
davetherave7 2 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
now ask if hes still a pilot
Deathbaron1 2 months ago
Some Duct tape and a track and balance and he'll be good to go.
motokid032 2 months ago
It's like an oversized chainsaw!!!!!!
BESTPAINTBALLA 2 months ago
the viewers should have been running for cover
salmojack 3 months ago
Great autorrotation!!!
Dito59 3 months ago
you break it you buy it
808gamerhawaii 3 months ago
I hope the pilot was breath tested for drink driving. It looks like he may have had a few too many to drink at the bar.
wattlebough 4 months ago
poor tree
tropicthunder86 4 months ago
FIRED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
willie1490 5 months ago
How did they get it back to the base? did they put it on a truck or just fix it where it was?
I fly the black hawk alot on bad co 2 lol its my favorite helo.
skilo1983 5 months ago
fuckin retards there was a 90 percent chance the rotor could fly off in kill someone god foreign dumbasses
Blaze4052 5 months ago
Well, at least no one was killed.
But the pilot should have known better, dammit Aviator.
scarface71795 5 months ago
Vortex ringstate due to low speed fast descent.
bakkerrich1979 6 months ago
It SLICES, it DICES, it TRIMS TREES TOO! And ALL for just $49.5 Million! So, PICK UP THE PHONES and ORDER NOW!
Patriot042 6 months ago
Nice cutter !
SoberCris 6 months ago
Conversely, take an R22 pilot and train him in a blackhawk... now you have a real pilot!
LYono22 6 months ago
@LYono22 - You really need to do a little research before that kind of comment. ALL military pilots begin their training in small aircraft (not ones quite as ugly as the R22) and learn "finesse" before moving on to REAL (advanced) aircraft. And most REAL pilots know better than to Monday morning quarterback other pilots.
patmagroin20 6 months ago 6
@patmagroin20 dude u just made a complete fool out of yourself. he wasnt actualy seriouse. rofl
Sk1lsniper14 5 months ago
@patmagroin20 Actually you are obviously ill informed and are NOT in any way educated in aviation whatsoever. Number 1, they learn in oh58 (military bell 206), that is NOT the same as an r22. R22s are definitely the most demanding helicopters in the way of basic skills, control and power management. What happened here is RING VORTEX STATE. He developed a sink rate WAY too high as he lost ETL (effective translational lift).... and when you decelerate (quickstop) THE BLADES SPEED UP
tburns7v 1 month ago in playlist Helicopter Crashes
@tburns7v - I've been a Blackhawk pilot for 11 years jackass, so I am OBVIOUSLY well informed. Every year during the APART, we cover the vortex ring state and I've actually been in it once, so I know what I am talking about. Jackass. And the R-22 is the second ugliest aircraft ever built, so suck it.
patmagroin20 1 month ago 2
@patmagroin20 HAHAHAHAHAH Areyou serious right now? Ok... so what happens when you decelerate? What happens when you flare a helicopter? You CANT be a pilot of ANY aircraft... you DONT EVEN KNOW THE BASICS... so post some videos of you flying something!!!! From inside the cockpit!!! :) And the R22 is ugly, but if you can fly the 22, you can fly anything.... haha you lying douche!! AHHHH Dont lie about being a pilot to REAL PILOTS... loser!!!!!
tburns7v 1 month ago
@LYono22 I agree....R22 is the hardest machine in the world to fly.
bakkerrich1979 6 months ago
From what I can tell he was either doing an autorotation and pulled up WAY to hard to prevent an overspeed and ended up with low RPM, or he did a quickstop and just yanked the collective up. Either way, what a f*cking moron. There goes millions of dollars in taxpayers dollars. The truth of the matter is that civillian trained pilots are way better than military in a lot of way. The military guys don't get the finess from flying the smaller trainer helicopters like R22 and R44.
LYono22 6 months ago
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@LYono22 Actually, the truth of the matter is that you have no idea what you're talking about, as already pointed out.
checksixfurball 6 months ago
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checksixfurball 6 months ago
someone at 0:52 said "thats normal"
C4Philip206 6 months ago
That what I thought....
77pcorbett 6 months ago
Power droop at its finest..Pulled too much pitch too fast for those T700's which couldn't back it up .
motokid032 6 months ago in playlist Aviation related videos
Wow, reading this kind of makes me laugh. Seems like a bunch a pilots got on here to voice their 2 cents about what happened. I'm a pilot but I'm just guessing the guy tried Hot Dogging and he screwed up ....big time. Luckily the blades didn't fly or splinter off into the crowd of people who are not pilots and have no idea whether that was normal or not.
armyflyer66 7 months ago
absolutely not an auto. more of a quickstop... a way too quickstop.
helopilot08 7 months ago
this was not an auto at all. but relevant to an auto -- when you decel the rotor rpm wants to INCREASE not droop/decrease as the original poster said
mjm9536 7 months ago
This was not engine failure. It was comming in too fast and the pilot tried to compensate but his altitude didn't allow him to recover. Also, to the guy that said his rotor "drooped", is completely inaccurate! When flaring one's helicopter like that, rotor speed INCREASES!!!!! duhhhhhhh! Noob!
ColtDeltaElite10mm 7 months ago
that sucks but lol he chopped of the tree
JayJay1990fromwiehl 8 months ago
I guess thats one way to cut down a tree
PrevalentDisease 9 months ago
the new chainsaw
AnZJm 9 months ago
lol "thats normal"
konfusion2113 9 months ago
Tough bird.
1967800 9 months ago
Pruning bushes the military way!
wasp27 9 months ago
And so, this is a newly developed demonstration where we cut trees with helicopters.
undertake782 9 months ago
Well thats one way to fell trees
rainbowdragon131065 9 months ago
"thats normal" @ 0:52 LMAO.... Im pretty sure there was nothing normal about that! DRAGONS!
atrain910 9 months ago
He was off by about 10 feet. Would have been perfect...
The0Burger0King 9 months ago
Applause for the crash! Well Done!
32780tit 9 months ago
wow. i wounder if the blades have bad damage.
cuzzythewolf2 9 months ago
was the announcer seriously saying "That was normal"? lol wow
sentineloffreedom 10 months ago
at 1:28 he's got the whole field to land and he puts it in the trees haha. by the way, if it was ground resonance, and there was 120 degrees between each blade, there would only be three blades there chief so it's 90 for four. I think the helicopter was resonating because it knocked the piss out of that tree with the blade screwing up the track and balance. not a big deal, just giving my two cents.
chelsielover 10 months ago
great landing boys
XxXMACKINLAYXxX 10 months ago
i have been drawing pictures of black hawk helicopters for 10 minuets now.
with my experience, i shall and will tell you that the best solution would have been to keep it in the air. also ,research and developent shows scientifical data shows that women make my dick hard. lol..... ha ha faggots, get over it, a homo crashed a heli, get over it, its uncle sams tax dollars that pay for that shit any way.
MrSBChevy 10 months ago
Additionaly, after hitting the ground, Helicopter began to experience what we call ground resonance. The uh 60 is a fully articulated rotor system, also has landing wheels. they are more prone to ground resonance. a shock is transmitted to the rotor blades causing them to become unsynchronized. normally they are 120deg if they are off 1deg, they begin to cause vibrations in the rotor system. thefor, it began to pretty much beat itself up. all of the two situations encountered are pretty evident.
guardianipm 10 months ago
Tell you what, even the environment wasn't the best one... If you look at the tree tops, they're moving and it's not the downwash created by the rotor, but high wind... It probably helped too! ;)
GlobeMasterLover 10 months ago
A chainsaw would of been cheaper
thinfourth 11 months ago 2
This was NOT stabilator failure as jjrose403 tries to tell us. Look at the stabilator as he lands, it is cycling itself down, just as it should. This guy got himself way too steep, way too fast, and asked the engines to come up to power way too quickly. He was saved by the fact that the Hawk is a tough machine, it stayed together as he banged it down. To have avoided this mishap, he should have been slower earlier, and should have had a shallower angle. He was hotdogging to look cool.
nicklappos 11 months ago 19
@nicklappos - Exactly.
patmagroin20 11 months ago
If you look at the winds they are at 3 to 4 Oclock position(quartering right wind) He came in too fast and pretty much did a "quick stop maneuver" This put the aircraft into a Settling with Power" Condition! Helo is basically settling into its own wake. we have three condition here wich puts him into settling witjh power. 1. airspeed les than that of effective translational lift 2. Power is being applied at 20% to 100%, and high rate of descent up to 3oo ft per minute or more
guardianipm 10 months ago
@nicklappos you are right. he tried to show his skills but did not work... if it was other than hawk it would divide into two pieces from the middle...
seerkann 7 months ago
wow.. i dont know about flying a helicopter(although i will soon), but he dropped pretty quickly, and close to those trees. its amazing how the rotors cut through that maple tree like butter.. but the guy in the background that said "thats normal" is a freakin idiot!
EupFilmStudent2012 11 months ago
did you hear the dude at 0:53 say "thats normal" or is it just me
metalairplanes 11 months ago
Not that we can do any better people....calm down....
ursosmexy 11 months ago
wood chops dream
WUZIGULUHU 11 months ago
He looks like he overshot the zone big time and got to the point where it looks like he was settling with power and NOT an autorotation...
B1900pilot 1 year ago
why do people think a flare reduces rotor speed. What areodynamic class did you take? vortex ring. vortex ring. It's so important I said it twice.
206range 1 year ago
This crash was in Charlotte NC wasn't it?
mindfre 1 year ago
Came in too fast, flared to much to slow him down and lost rotor speed... hopefully the damage is just to the rotor and wheels
williambrodie 1 year ago
Hum.. is it me or the guy at 0:53 say "its normal" ? O_o
pirusse1039 1 year ago
im no pilot..only in FSX .i can tell...it FAIL!
twistedsungay 1 year ago
Errrm.. Down wind High Alpha... me got no lift on those Big things that go round and Round...Did'nt give me Love...Bitch...PILOT FUCKED UP.. (sorry)
tankertel 1 year ago
The ECU continues to retard fuel flow until it sees 100% RPMR and only then will it release the fuel. The pilot is making a rapid and large collective pull to arrest the rate of descent. As the rotor RPM passes through 100%, then the ECU starts allowing fuel to be added to the engines, the engines are slow to respond, the rotor droops significantly and in this case the end result is Vortex Ring State and a crash! Pilot error is the cause of this crash.
UH60Hwkdrvr 1 year ago
Transient rotor droop+Settling with Power=CRASH!!!
Transient Rotor Droop is a characteristic of the UH60A helicopter. During an aggressive deceleration the collective is lowered (0 to near 0 torque applied to the main rotor), the aerodynamic flow through the rotor increases rotor rpm above 100%, the Engine Control Unit sees rotor RPM above 100% and attempts to control it by retarding fuel flow. (Continued below)
UH60Hwkdrvr 1 year ago
it doesnt look to me like engine failure but stunt !
chinitos74 1 year ago
We got a Blackhawk down,we got a Blackhawk down (Somalia 1993)
The3H2SO4 1 year ago
wow , it destroyed those trees
cuzzythewolf2 1 year ago
Settling with Power
USPSA77 1 year ago
Say what ya want.The pilot put it on the ground,didn't kill anyone and that chopper will fly another day.Good job.
MegaDave001 1 year ago
Wait, I wanted to see the fastrope demonstration!
nocalsteve 1 year ago
People standing there watching the tree get chopped have no idea as their own life is in danger of the possible thrown out blades!
grasuh 1 year ago
good reaper :D
pikaprd 1 year ago
is that a new stunt to try to trim the tree
vivitar45 1 year ago
Alright everyone on here is a complete retard. He lost power to his engines right there was a perfect and beautiful AUTOROTATION. since he lost right near the ground he turned the helicopter to the left away from the crowd, thats why he went into the trees and pulled up on his collective thus beginning the autorotation so he didn't just drop to the ground. if you knew anything about flying helicopters you would be giving this pilot props. freakin morons
bobeides 1 year ago
@bobeides - Well, I've been flying Blackhawks for 10 years now and I'm telling you that it was not an auto. It was pilot error, and I have read the official accident report.
patmagroin20 1 year ago 35
@patmagroin20 Looked like settling with power, am I right?
ritualghost 10 months ago 3
@ritualghost - Check out the post by nicklappos, his description is dead on
patmagroin20 10 months ago
@ritualghost It looks like that to me. Most people think of settling with power as a higher altitude thing but the truth is once you have those three factors (300 fpm descent low airspeed and the rotor using 20-100% of your available power) you are asking for it.
soldierholla 7 months ago
@patmagroin20 you are right... after most of the show accidents people say that it was a mechanical failure, but in this case you can 100% see that this is a pilot error. I have a question..These aircrafts function normal at regular basis why do they have failure at the shows? Right?
seerkann 7 months ago
@seerkann - I think it is because people act differently when they know a video camera is on them. Normal standards and procedures don't seem cool enough and they want to stand out....
patmagroin20 7 months ago
@patmagroin20 : Hi there, could you possible explain how this happened? I thought at first too that the pilot was executing an auto-rotation maneuver, but the video shows otherwiseand at 0:22the heli abruptly descends rapidly, did the pilot decrease in collective pitch?
Thanks
Dongskie2 3 months ago
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sjo15880 1 year ago
@bobeides then why did his rotor continue to gain rpm after touchdown, why is theere engine noise PRIOR to emer engine shut down.. try settling with power you non flying air god stick
indyboom 1 year ago
@bobeides ...and because we don't know anything about flying helicopters, that makes us retards. I wouldn't want YOU to be my pilot.
DancingSpiderman 1 year ago
@bobeides
You adre not TRUE! there was no auto! With this speed and height it will be insanly luck to make an sucessfull auto landing. He has all the power what he needs, only and HUGE error was that he was lowering height too quickly without forward speed and he got to his own wortex.
sundancer84 1 year ago
@bobeides
sundancer84 1 year ago
@bobeides There was no auto. He just simply got to his own wortex.
100% pilot error.
sundancer84 1 year ago
@bobeides Up collective begins an auto eh?
UhohKyle 1 year ago
@bobeides -sorry my friend that's not an auto, he simply missed his approach (Airspeed too fast) and instead of going around, for whatever reason he decided to continue to land. If it was an autorotation due to engine failure, the blades would not have continued to spin as they did after landing. Pride + Lack of aircrew coordination (other pilot should have been screaming for a go-around) = embarrassment, torn up a/c and probably a trip to the flight board.
PegasusRomeo1 1 year ago
@PegasusRomeo1 Looks like settling with power to me. Too low and too steep to even attempt to go around.
Norgesmann 1 year ago
@bobeides How long and what have you been flying? You must have at least a few thousand hours helicopter under your belt, right?
aligerous 1 year ago
You idiots, if you pay attention he flares to much and gets caught in his own downwash and gets caught in what is known as vortex ring, he pulls more collective to reduce decent but this makes the situation worse.
hunterpilot2010 1 year ago
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You idiots, if you pay attention he flares to much and gets caught in his own downwash and gets caught in what is known as vortex ring, he pulls more collective to reduce decent but this makes the situation worse, Pilot error for sure.
hunterpilot2010 1 year ago
@bobeides vortex ring state bro... look it up
sbakes86 1 year ago
@bobeides what props is? sorry im from Puerto Rico..
Captus15 10 months ago
@bobeides - I actually am a helicopter pilot, unlike you. dont come on here calling people retards, when you have no idea what your talking about! what happened was actually called VORTEX RING STATE. google it. thats when you descend into your own downwash. the tips of rotors(under load) make a ring of vorticies, like thoes on large airplanes. when you have too high a decent rate you fall into them and begin to descend uncontrollably, increasing forward airspeed is the only solution to it.
sugarsdaddy1 8 months ago
0:53 Announcer says, "Thats normal" and the rotor blade rips off. LOLSSSSS!!
CodyRimes 1 year ago
It looks like the speed at flaring was too high ant the collective too low. That becomes expencive. Poor Blackhawk.
Johnny31297 1 year ago
Vortex Ring State?
Badwhiskey6 1 year ago
Settling with power: 1
Shit-stained seats: 0
FlingwingGolfer 1 year ago
I swear I heard someone say "that's normal" :p
Trykon95 1 year ago
mom look! someone just mowed the lawn!
Kpilot786457 1 year ago
Heres how not to do quick stops!
helobelow 1 year ago
worst pilot ever
escobar12levi 1 year ago
Shit happenes to everybody juts be glad that nothing flew off I have seen what happenes to a person when a piece of a helicopter hits them an having worked on blackhawks if worse shape than that Id say he was lucky as long as no major breaks were made blades are not that hard to replace just a crane a few Tangos and new blads theirs only 2 pins holding them on anyway with a landing like that tho the shock struts would have needed to be replaced or serviced to and probley other things
Sargentrouble 1 year ago
Shit happenes to everybody juts be glad that nothing flew off I have seen what happenes to a person when a piece of a helicopter hits them an having worked on blackhawks if worse shape than that Id say he was lucky as long as no major breaks were made blades are not that hard to replace just a crane a few Tangos and new blads theirs only 2 pins holding them on anyway with a landing like that tho the shock struts would have needed to be replaced or serviced to
Sargentrouble 1 year ago
a very bad high flare resulting in a shamefull landing... pilot mistake.
kaltersi 1 year ago
R.I.P. Bob,sally,bill,and candice you Served us good by refreshing are air :( aka the trees
PRlMEHUNTER 1 year ago
lucky he didn't crash, huge gust of wind before he landed. a "cowboy" people please watch the videos. I'm no expert but when i see things like wind gusts and then someone comments ohh his GF must have been in the crowd. lucky the pilots are alive and no one in the crowd was killed.
IamMaiC 1 year ago
Sorry for my idiots comment but its looks like a toy xD
94rainbowx33 1 year ago
thank god the blackhawk can survive anything. well except chuck norris and jesus of course.
mindlessprimitive 1 year ago
hellcatdave 1 - correct, they are pilots not dirvers, you do not drive any aircraft, you fly it, therefore titled a pilot, not a driver, but being careless and reckless is obvioulsy the issue here, United States Army Pilots should know better than this, especially with women and children a few hundred feet away from the landing site, could any of you imagine what would happen if the blade would have been severed?? instead of only cracked??? HUGE amounts of casualties
Dauphinpilot 1 year ago
lol basic quality???? more like poor :D but i gave thumbs up :/
TheConnorProductions 1 year ago
All this debate about what this type of landing is called is missing the point of the video.
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The pilot overshot his intended landing spot.
bookworm1960 1 year ago
screw those trees
navy6470 1 year ago
LETS GET THIS GUY OUT OF THE ARMY PUT HIM TO CUT TREES AMAGEN HIM LANDING HIS PLAIN IN IRAQ IT WOULD SCARE THE SHIT OF THE IRAQ
nicknerfcod42 1 year ago
This is settling with power. No doubt about it. It means that the mainrotor enters the downwash. By pulling in more power you increase the velocity of the downwash, and the helicopter get an increased decend rate. To get out of this one you have to get some speed so that the main rotor exits the downwash either direction.
steinbitt84 1 year ago
If this was skill and excellent piloting during a failure, then what is the excuse for leaving the tail wheel unlocked? I never did fast rope but I don't see how an unlocked tail wheel would help. Adds to recklessness, inexperince, being behind in the cockpit, and overcommiting the aircraft.
BavarianDustoff 1 year ago
that looks more like settling with power, not low rotor rpm. high rate of descent, low airspeed, and more than 20% of power in use. im not an expert, but it looks like settling with power.
cellblock131 1 year ago
crraazzzyyyyyy
skipflippy 1 year ago
well he followed training dident move until the rotors stopped moving
witch it good for all the bad he caused lol
youngestpilotinGa 1 year ago
lol it cut down a tree
litlemacwwefan 1 year ago
hell of a WHOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAA BOOOYYYYYYY!!! had to be CW2 Watchthis... had to be...
sallyrider4 1 year ago
LoL..
that helicpter has entered a vortex ring state which mean settle in power..
it exprience a high decent rate at a slower fwd speed..
it is a very dngerous state...oso tat heli can crash on spot if poor in ctrl..
luckily they all safe..plus all audience cuz the blade doesnt fly n cut them into half..
hazeemaru 1 year ago
@hazeemaru No, it wasnt settling with power or VRS with the amount of forward airspeed. He just came in with too much velocity, and then overpitched it into too much sink rate that the engines couldn't possibly arrest. Also called settling with INSUFFICIENT power.
stetson6 1 year ago
@stetson6 lol..that was wat is stated in john fay or john d. cotton theory of flight book.. so, wat the different btween settling in power and settling with insufficiet power..? and one thing...r u an airforce army?
hazeemaru 1 year ago
@hazeemaru yes im an airforce army lol
stetson6 1 year ago
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@hazeemaru yes im an airforce army robbie lol
stetson6 1 year ago
@hazeemaru settling with insufficnt pwr is akin to driving a car @ 60 mph at a brick wall, applying the brakes 1 foot from the wall, crashing it, and blaming it on the brakes not working. VRS would be like applying the brakes 250' from the wall and the brake pedal catching the gas pedal "aerodynamically" and speeding up. Question for you grasshopper: what are the conditions required for VRS, and what are the indications, and what is the recovery method...according to your book?
stetson6 1 year ago
@stetson6 this is about rotorcraft theory of flight, VRS tht occur in rotorcraft or also known as settling in power, which is a dangerous condition of flt. Helicpter will decent with high rate of decent under power (not in autorotation) and in fast rate. The flow down thru the rotor will be oppose by the airflow tending to move up thru the rotor due to fast rate of decent. The effect of recrculation air is to cause tip trbulence,vibration n lost of lift...
hazeemaru 1 year ago
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@hazeemaru I ask again...what are the conditions required for VRS, and what are the indications, and what is the recovery method...according to your book. Answer me that and I'll explain the detail further otherwise you won't be listening.
stetson6 1 year ago
@stetson6 and one thing i didnt understand about the exmple tht u give when u talking bout the brake pedal...myb tht is not related to rotorcraft theory of flight... wikipedia oso give a same meaning -> VRS also known as settling in power..
hazeemaru 1 year ago
Look out ow no its normal no its not XD
7249xxl 1 year ago
Did I hear the announcer say "thats normal"?
dopeintegra 1 year ago
to fast, to much collectiv, leads all in vortex... a waste of tax money. A pilot flew for an airshow should known better. Smile
zahal2001 1 year ago
Great pilot xD
gasesel 1 year ago
i bet the helicopter pilot was once a lumberjack. lol
TheWUZZAMAN 1 year ago 2
0:55 "that's normal" lmao is it really??!!
SgtSMOKE78 1 year ago
@SgtSMOKE78 lol i noticed that to
jayman81424 1 year ago
He came in wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to fast. Did you see that ridiculous flare. He was either trying to be a badass or didn't see the LZ.
CoryComedy 1 year ago
wow. horrible pilots
bucknaked466f 1 year ago
Now thats what I call a chainsaw XD
shadowhunter388 1 year ago
on my way to school, i saw one circle over, and it flew right over my head. i thought it was a twin engine from a distance, the i heard the noise of a helicopter. they make such a unique sound, and that was only my 2nd time seing one fly. that made me happy lol
105Raptor 1 year ago
The wonders of the auto-giro effect
Weight222SAS 1 year ago
That M/R touched the trees as the aircraft landed. You can see that. Plus, if that aircraft was having problems with the stab, why would he fly it on a demo show. My only guess is that this occured during the times when EMF used to interfere with the stab sys. There's a possibility that there were no pin filters and cyclic slew up switches. I would give him the benefit of the doubt on why he would just want to put the acft on the ground. Back then that system made widows.
colorvaccum 1 year ago
Nice autorotation...
I wonder why those spectators kept watching after he cut down the tree..
Debries from the rotor could take a bullet speed flight towards the crowds watching the show...
This is called almost a tragedy...
KraljLazar 1 year ago
This was at Fort AP Hill and it was intended to be a fast rope demo for the Boy Scouts holding their Jamboree. This particular aircraft had experienced some stabilator failures recently. The pilot included this in his pre-flight brief of the crew. The plan, if there was a failure was to drop the collective and land. There was a failure and the PIC slammed the bird down just like he said he would. After making contact with the ground, the UH-60 bounced forward and struck the trees. Not a cowboy.
jjrose403 1 year ago 9
@jjrose403 What EP includes dropping the collective for a stabilator failure?? Cyclic mounted stabilator slew up switch adjust....auto control reset push on once after establishing a comfortable airspeed...is the correct action, and is a simple fix. A stabilator failure only could be a problem if your doing over 70 and it programs all the way down. A stabilator failure should never ever cause any 60 pilot to react like this....By the way the cause was settling with power. (UH-60 Pilot US Army)
serhgut 1 year ago
it's damaging the environment!
scagliettileopard 1 year ago
thats not whats supposed to happen kids! haha
JflyG 1 year ago
Blackhawk landscaping and pruning... Know job too small!!
mrfun07 1 year ago
i guess thats why we call them "choppers"
qetuo1000 1 year ago
@qetuo1000 hahahaha best comment on here in a while!
yascumbag 1 year ago
I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay!
nubbie1944 1 year ago
6 million bucks down the drain for a stinking dog and pony show!
ozonsales 1 year ago