@babute rome total war europa barbarorum mod is cool, cant wait till medieval total war europe barbarorum II mod is coming out :p
I have this 3 episodes long on cd what was the name again? with episode ceasar and nero and this one, but it wasnt even historicly correct..to be honest it sucked a little.
The basques(original europeans,origin of R1b n rh neg blood,a freakin holy blood) and the catalans are the original celts/druids/atlanteans.The despicable romans removed us from the page of history and sadly we didnt leave writings behind,hannibal barca was 1 of us(atlantean) he founded barcelona.We founded rome n schooled the cheating romans its no wonder we are resented,hated n envied in spain...envy is a bitch and twisted n jealous bastards are putting people against us.Pass it on
@TheChuchulainn2 I am afraid you are incorrect good Churchulaninn2. The Romans did reestablish a city in North Africa for the purpose of trade and dominance over the Mediterranean Sea. But in retribution and contempt for Carthage, Hannibal, and Hannibal’s ancestors, Rome did destroy Carthage utterly, and sowed it with salt so that nothing would grow in its memory. This is not my opinion but established history. The fact that you don’t like it is yours. Deal with it.
"The day will come when Holy Troy will fall" Scipio Aemilianus when asked the meaning they say he said some day same thing will happen to Great Rome too..
@Shild I think salting the earth was a mongolion tactic under ghenghis khan.
as he was annoyed with one of the middle eastern factions had killed his trade caravans that he want this entire civilisation destroyed so he went to war with them, killed many civilians and salted the land so people could not farm it.
@Samwd1 First off, the Mongols were 2000 years after the Romans, so they really have no relation at all. Secondly, it's a common thing to salt the ground after a battle (like Troy). It's also a relatively simple concept to understand. Saying it is a Mongol tactic is like saying killing people is a tactic of the Romans. BTW the "Middle Eastern faction" was the Kwarezemid empire. And it is spelled civilization.
@leadbasedpain1 I didnt say that the mongols invented the tactic, but thats the only group I known to have done it, or at least did it on a mass scale. And both spelling's of civilization or civilisation are fine as each are accepted.
@leadbasedpain1 Ok, maybe I did make out that the mongolions invented that tactic but thats only because most my knowledge of the roman empire was the fact it was an empire and it would seem silly to destroy the land they were then going to control.
It is amazing how the Romans and Athenians had a Democratic Republic Government in BC, and then it was lost from civilisation for thousands of years until the concept of the Republic came back to Europe only through the French Revolution. In between those ages, every country was ruled by Monarchy. The civilisation seriously back paddled after the fall of Rome.
plato and aristotel use to say "there are 3 major govern tupes. 1)politia,2)aristarxia 3)vasilia and their "evil twins" 1)democrasy 2)oligarchy 3)tyrany. in politia, the magority decide for the whole. in aristarchy, the few decide for the whole and in vasilia the king decide for the whole. in democrazy, the magority decide for the magority,in oligarchy the few decide for themselves and in tyranny the tyrant decide for his own benefit only...as for modern..liberal "democray", its
even worse than the ancient one. cause its not even a democrazy. its anarchy compined with capitalism (whenever suites) or comiunism (whenever suits). and then true nation, is never benefited by this...
nationalism is the way. and in my opinion, aristarchy is the best goverment system
@deathwreeper this was before Gauis Marius' army reform. before that everyone had to supply their own weapons and equipment. the typical legionare you're thinking of was post-reform, when he created universal equipment and armor and allowed non romans to serve.
Unfortunately -- republics tend to become corrupt by losing their way. Monarchies (good and bad) seem to have had a longer period of success given the spiritual training of a king, and that of his supporting aristocracy.
No system is perfect. If asked, I would prefer a theocratic monarchy that concerns itself with the preservation of the Faith, blood and culture. As for globalism: you can keep it; it has no spiritual reference other than vacuous consumerism to nowhere.
Scipio Amelianus's characterization is all wrong in this video. He supposedly wept when they sacked Rome and quoted a line from Homer. The fall of the city reminding him that every great people will fall some day.
@ratmilkcheese I agree. He was actually against the utter destruction of Carthage and did want to spare it. He was a forgiving man at heart. It was the senate, if I recall, that wanted the city destroyed completely. Which is funny, because they barely lifted a finger to help Scipio the whole way, now that he attained the ultimate victory, they choose to defy him yet again.
@wingolf22 So you group entire nations and/or people and cultural groups as heroes or murderers/villains? Good luck finding a nation and or people that have never committed an atrocity in their history. Any nation that prospers and grows in power to such an extent as Rome is going to oppress and dominate their weaker neighbors. Militarily, economically, culturally or all of the above. You should judge humans as individuals not as a group or I guarantee you will NEVER find that hero.
@Lawman52 ok, you are right at this. one cannot just judge a whole nation. i dont doubt that there were nice guys among the romans - but what their army was used for was mostly aggression, injustice and even genocide.
even if they were culturally undoubtly far ahead of other peoples, they were practically what great britain was in later centuries: an imperialistic power suppressing the weak and exploiting them as slaves ... and in general seen from nowadays not a positive example ...
Don't listen to him, they didn't had legions at that period, altough not the legions you probably mean. Those legions came after the reforms of Marius between 157-86 BC. This also were legions, but not the typical legion structure that you are talking about. This legion particulairly contained: Hastati, Princepes, and triarii. Is there no one who played rome total war in here?
didnt rome stand for inhuman suppression and imperialism in this period? wasn't it racistic and genocidal?
i think those who love this empire of the past just for its effectivnes in combat are not really the ones that understood the values of our times - they were great, yes, but not moralically, just great in their military strength
Racistic? Sorry but the romans weren't racist, even they also got some africans who were senators. The racist thought are rised in the middle of the 19th century, because of the socialdarwinimus. The romans know that humans are humans and not like the USA, where they don't acept the genscience reasearch that human races doesn't exist.
@MidnightStar1000 even if u say that they went to war with other people for profit alone, claiming their culture and descend from aeneas made them superior and treated other people like slaves
allmost every nation in europe had terrible losses and suffered injustice because of them: celts, germans, slavs, greek - even north africans, egyptians and jews
they murdered whole tribes and even if they didnt base it on race- thoughts, they were THE evil of that time - my opinion
I never said they weren't unhuman and murder, but they did it for profit and not for racist thought. That are to different kinds pair of shoes. But in my opinion they were superior heroes who united a great part in the ancient world. If you pay your taxes and live peacefully, they never harm you. That's also a fact of the roman empire.
@MidnightStar1000 for me, a hero is somebody who fights to protect - wether he succeeds or not. somebody who fights for his gain or glory is in my opinion a murderer, wether he fails or - as the romans certainly did - sets new records in mil. history.
the pax romana did just apply to those that were useful to the mighty in rome: as the teutons peacefully asked for land, even willing to become servants of rome, they were all slaughtered for the glory of the senat. a whole people
The teutons weren't that peacefully, they invaded the roman lands and also had brutal fights and raids between themselves. The roman empiere sets a new way for all people they invad. Also the heroes you describe, are rare in the history of mankind.
@MidnightStar1000 im no history prof but i recall being taught they asked for land peacefully first, got attacked by roman forces and in a quest for revenge battled the legions until they were killed - yet what was their alternativ?
they were merely driven by hunger and needed land to survive - land that rome had, even unused, but refused to give them . . .
No, they teutonics weren't peacefully, they never asked for land, they invade and rape the romans. I don't know where you have such information, but teutonic were barbarians and more wild than diplomatic.
They feared the romans, because of their superior army and cilivization. Sorry, but peacefully is something others.
@MidnightStar1000 technically, the romans were barbarians too - barbarian being grecian and meaning non- greek ... dont just judge their culture because they were not from the mediteranian, they were humans too, and they did not wish to die in battle, starve to death or see their women and children as slaves.
i got the article on wikipedia but as it is often the case, the english article is just short and inaccurate ... i'll translate the german passage for you:
@MidnightStar1000 here: Year 113 bc the cimbri and teutons met the romans for the first time in todays steiermark. consul carbo held the alpine roads to prevent an attack on rome.
although the germans promised to pass in peace and look for land to settle, the romans led them into a trap: carbo gave them guids to help - with the order to slow them down giving the opportunity to ambush
resting at noreia, the cimbri were attacked by 2 legions but destroyed them in battle.
They entered this land to conquer the country from the celtic tribe Taurisci and wanted the romans for assitance against this tribe, but were betrayed by them. So you can see they wanted this land to steal it from another tribe. What peacefully tribes in the ancient world.
@MidnightStar1000 even if they were at war with celts the roman behaviour (and the fact that this was an >>at least<< triple genocide in the end for teutons, cimbri, ambrons and maybe others) is inhuman.
sure, rome was culturally far ahead, but i doubt that it brought europe more positive than negative effects - i think all that blood is to high a price for military and architectonic progress . ..
I know what you want to tell me, but you should now, every people on this planet are aggressiv and use violence as a medium for their goals. THe mankind history is full of blood and death, that's the sad side of this world.
@Maverickrad Thank you for again, proving my point; that you are an idiot! The Roman general refused to hunt down Spartacus because he was a SLAVE! LOL @ YOU! Not because he used Bows and arrows! You know NOTHING! The Romans LOVED the Bow and Arrow, they used them extensively in every major conflict and battle like EVERYONE ELSE and produced some of the best archers in that region! It was harder to become an archer in the Roman military then a foot soldier! Again you are an idiot!
@Maverickrad Youre an idiot, to say the Romans never used bows? The Bow and Arrow is one of the greatest weapons of the ancient world the Romans used archers extensively and to great effect. Dont pull random crap out of your ass and think you know about the Romans CLEARLY you by saying they didn't use archers proves how ignorant you are! Lol to say the Jews were some of the toughest enemies in mankind? They won ONE battle against the Romans and they ambushed them! They got destroyed
The destruction of Carthage was a needless and vindictive war partly caused by the ramblings of the obsessed old senator Cato the Elder, who would constantly repeat "Carthage must be destroyed" no matter what the topic of discussion at hand. It was also an early sign of the degeneration of the Senate, which would culminate in the Senate's utter impotence in the face of First Triumvirate, the rise of Caesar and Octavian and the Civil Wars 100 years later.
@Maverickrad romans used bows but used auxilia for their archers because they thought hand to hand was more important and what about the pilum or the ballistas they used you stupid fuck
@Maverickrad Alexander was not Roman. What the fuck is up with the IFies i keep hearing from you Roman fuckers. Shit. If China wasn't divided they would have smashed the MOngols. Same SHIT argument that that didnt happen so ENOUGH WITH THE IF THIS SHIT AND IF THAT SHIT. No more IFs. Right back to my POINT: Alexander used phalanxes Romans didnt so Alexander had a different kind of army. Also Romans fought PARTHIA who were mostly semi-nomad in war while Darius Persia was mostly foot soldiers.
well romans destroyed Carthage (impregnable since 600 years, longer than Roma, Alexandria, Athens and every other ancient Mediterranean city) They defeated the barbarians in all of Western Europe and the Mediterranean, and you say "just"
@ApolloMars1617 Romans were overrated. They were only good against disorganized barbarians. Look at what happened when Rome looked East. They couldn't even handle the Persians who had semi-nomadic in their warfare. LOL! Rome didn't conquer Persia. Its easy to conquer barbaric tribes who painted themselves blue and threw stones. Carthage was a piece of crap. Elephants were not effective. No great civilization used them.
@DragonOfQin The reason the Romans didn't invade all of Persia was internal problems, so they never got to it, and Crassus didn't do enough research on the people that lived there to know how they fought. Well, they would've invaded Persia if Alexander hadn't, they did conquer where Persia was though. Rome conquered Greece, Carthage, all of Gaul, most of Britain, Spain, Egypt, and your argument. Go take a pilum to the face.
@XxC0ldH3artxX LOL! fucking excuses. Shit if China wasnt invaded by Mongols they would be by the moon now. I hear alot of excuses from roman fanboys. What about you take 2 arrows to your fucking balls. LOL!
@DragonOfQin Oh, so it's China now? What happened to your super amazing Parthia? How bout I block your arrows with my scutum, then ram my gladius up your ass, just like Rome would've done to China.
@XxC0ldH3artxX Blow arrows with scutums? Parthian arrows had Roman arms stuck to their shields. I'll ride a horse and keep shooting your ass. Besides you're not even Italian/Roman descent. You're a fucking gaul/slavic/brit/celtic shit. You painted yourself blue and threw stones LOL!
@DragonOfQin You wouldn't ride shit, your just a bitch over the internet. Another keybored warrior who thinks he knows what he is talking about. "Roman fanboys?" What is this a fucking video game? Not only are you embarrassing yourself but almost all the shit you've said are of your OPINION and not FACT. Not to mention how much of a tool you are - you dont have to be Italian/Roman descent to like them, and to make fun of the British/Celtic tribes? China couldn't do better!
@DragonOfQin Oh, so what happened to China? You are making a total fool of yourself. I suggest you stop making comments, so everyone stops getting on your ass about your stupidity. Threw stones? More like rode a chariot into battle!
@XxC0ldH3artxX China as a civilization lasted 1000 years after Rome collapsed. thats what happened dumbass. Lets keep this Rome vs China not some other shit like you're trying to bring about. And like I said are you even Roman descent? Or some fucking goth barbarian descent? Mother fucker.
@DragonOfQin China was constantly changing. Rome only changed once. China was also constantly in major civil war and divided. This also only happened to Rome once. The Romans. You say I'm not keeping it Rome vs. China? Are you fucking kidding me? I've been arguing for Rome with complete consistency, but you keep switching back and forth between China and Parthia. Do I need to be of Roman descent to defend it? I am of Roman descent, but you're just fucking retarded.
What exactly do you mean with change? cause I don't think Rome only changed once. Exualy, I'm pretty sure. And about the civil war, I study history and in my book about Rome, at the end of the republic they talk about a second civil war (49 BC-45 BC). Have I said enough? I hope so. Almost al comments in here are crap, So if there is anyone who disagrees with another, please say it so I can quote my book. That way we all know what modern day historians think is true
History is merely written by the victors. And the victors control the books. If your foolish enough to believe the corrupt nature of man can keep a stable history for nearly 2000 years in a book than you really are just an arrogant ass blowing steam. Then again, so is everyone who "knows" their ancient history. If its empiric, archaeological findings then won't argue, but there is a LOT of bias speculation in history. But hey at least your modest enough to include "think is true"
I included that last sentence because of al the thinks you just said. But I'm talking about historians, and historians try to find the answer by looking further the the victor his story. The things I said are based on reliable sources, because that is what historians do. And ofcourse there never is a 100% guarantee that this is the truth. But what I said is as close to the truth of what we now know.
@XxC0ldH3artxX Roman descent my ass. I am fucking God then. Rome lasted for 5 centuries. China depending on which dynasty. One of the most popular dynasties compared to Rome was Han Dynasty lasted 4 and a half centuries. I just parthia as an example becuz Romans fought them and sucked balls at Carrhae. Parthia semi-nomad. Han was nomadic army under Proto-Hun mercs.
@DragonOfQin 5 CENTURIES MY ASS! Try 22 centuries. Yes, the Byzantine Empire does count as the Roman empire because it was the Roman Eastern Empire. If Rome actually wanted to invade Parthia, it would've been done easily. The only reason Carrhae existed is because Crassus the Retarded attacked Parthia, and didn't do the research to know how the Parthia fought. He also sat there and let his men get showered by arrows, yet he didn't attempt a testudo to protect them. One defeat won't lose a war...
@XxC0ldH3artxX Whats up with the IFs? the only reason China was conquered by Mongols because Sun Tzu wasn't there. Same shit argument I keep hearing from Roman fanboys. 22 centuries? What the fuck? Rome fell you dipshit. Justinian tried to revive Rome but he didn't. Rome was overan by barbarians such as your ancestors. Now we got idiots claiming to be roman descent.
@DragonOfQin I'm not talking about the city, retard, I'm talking about the the people. Is China a city? Didn't think so. Oh, and sorry, I didn't know being of certain nationalities was impossible. Why don't you do the math yourself, genius? Here I'll even provide you with some real information, not your stupid ass book. The Romans lasted from 753 B.C. to 1453 B.C. when Constantinople was invaded. If you do the math, it's about 2200 years, and that's 22 centuries.
@XxC0ldH3artxX "stupid ass book"? Those BOOKS are college World History texts written by fucking goddamn scholars of world history. These nerds didnt write these mainsteam books for nothing pal. Unless you are qualified you aint got nothing on those nerds that sell their "stupid ass books" to schools and colleges around the US.
@XxC0ldH3artxX Let me make this simple and stupid for you. What is the name of the empire the Julio-Claudian Dynasty? Imperium Romanum How about the Flavian Dynasty? Imperium Romanum Nerva-Antonian Dynasty? Imperium Romanum What is the name of the empire the Han Dynasty was ruling? How about the Tang?Sui?Song?The answer is 中国. What is the name of the country that China Communist Party is ruling?中国 What is the name of the current ruling body of the Imperium Romanum? None it no longer exists.
@XxC0ldH3artxX btw to save you some time, the 2 Chinese characters are Zhong Guo meaning Middle Kingdom. Chinese believed they were at the center of the world. That is why Chinese did not have expansionist policies throughout most of its dynastic rule except when they were ruled by ethnic nomads( Yuan and Qing ). So their isolationist policy justified their Middle Kingdom belief. There was nothing worth conquering to the Chinese.
@DragonOfQin yes, now you are saying various creations from various different dynasties that ruled parts of modern day China. Your still being an idiot, it's cute.
@DragonOfQin I hate arguing on the internet, but come on really? There are several different Chinese 'races' (i hesitate to use that term) just as there were several countries that make up China. I suggest you find an actual Chinese person to discuss history with as you don't seem to be listening to anything i'm saying, instead relying on insults to try and make yourself seem right... you are totally dumb as fuck (irony intended).
Your mother doesn't love you child. Take what little comfort you can knowing better men are now picking up the slack for your sorry Greek ass and that of all your historically man-loving kinsmen.
Well aren't you a true keyboard warrior? You venting rage online cos you can't get daddy to stop tickling your little balls when mummy's asleep? Fuck off you prat.
@unfukkkmee sure... and justin beiber makes good music... first off stop typing in all caps you look like a fucking dipshit. and secondly what does scotland have to do with being "siberian scum" ? And nice the "i'm most smartest person" thing is really going good for you. It's like saying "my grammar is gooder than yours"
@babute rome total war europa barbarorum mod is cool, cant wait till medieval total war europe barbarorum II mod is coming out :p
I have this 3 episodes long on cd what was the name again? with episode ceasar and nero and this one, but it wasnt even historicly correct..to be honest it sucked a little.
alexarw1 3 hours ago
but we carthagians (tunisians) made them living afraid for 100 years :DxD
TheMitrusa 9 hours ago
we give the romans steel, they would dominate for another millenia -______- ah the possibilities
ihazaaxe 2 days ago
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The basques(original europeans,origin of R1b n rh neg blood,a freakin holy blood) and the catalans are the original celts/druids/atlanteans.The despicable romans removed us from the page of history and sadly we didnt leave writings behind,hannibal barca was 1 of us(atlantean) he founded barcelona.We founded rome n schooled the cheating romans its no wonder we are resented,hated n envied in spain...envy is a bitch and twisted n jealous bastards are putting people against us.Pass it on
MiamiDolphinsClyde10 1 week ago
Even breast plates have 6 packs!
muffdriver69 1 week ago
BULLSHIT. The Roman faggots never sowed the city with salt... it was re-established as a Roman colony.
Fuck the Romans.
TheChuchulainn2 1 week ago
@TheChuchulainn2 stfu faget.
QuintusLiviusPriscus 1 week ago
@TheChuchulainn2 I am afraid you are incorrect good Churchulaninn2. The Romans did reestablish a city in North Africa for the purpose of trade and dominance over the Mediterranean Sea. But in retribution and contempt for Carthage, Hannibal, and Hannibal’s ancestors, Rome did destroy Carthage utterly, and sowed it with salt so that nothing would grow in its memory. This is not my opinion but established history. The fact that you don’t like it is yours. Deal with it.
bartlebyonline 3 hours ago
rofl 3:00 ...they do realize shields are for blocking right? ..right?
BrendoGames 1 week ago
Did any one every notice that it was a Scipio that defeated Carthage time and time again?
1169Timothy 1 week ago
"The day will come when Holy Troy will fall" Scipio Aemilianus when asked the meaning they say he said some day same thing will happen to Great Rome too..
TolHydra 1 week ago
@TolHydra Rome's descendants did a good job of prolonging the inevitable if you ask me.
QuintusLiviusPriscus 1 week ago
@QuintusLiviusPriscus indeed!
TolHydra 1 week ago
The Romans didn't actually salt the earth after they burned Carthage. They did put a "curse" on it, though.
Shild 2 weeks ago
@Shild I think salting the earth was a mongolion tactic under ghenghis khan.
as he was annoyed with one of the middle eastern factions had killed his trade caravans that he want this entire civilisation destroyed so he went to war with them, killed many civilians and salted the land so people could not farm it.
Samwd1 2 weeks ago
@Samwd1 First off, the Mongols were 2000 years after the Romans, so they really have no relation at all. Secondly, it's a common thing to salt the ground after a battle (like Troy). It's also a relatively simple concept to understand. Saying it is a Mongol tactic is like saying killing people is a tactic of the Romans. BTW the "Middle Eastern faction" was the Kwarezemid empire. And it is spelled civilization.
leadbasedpain1 2 weeks ago
@leadbasedpain1 I didnt say that the mongols invented the tactic, but thats the only group I known to have done it, or at least did it on a mass scale. And both spelling's of civilization or civilisation are fine as each are accepted.
Samwd1 2 weeks ago
@leadbasedpain1 Ok, maybe I did make out that the mongolions invented that tactic but thats only because most my knowledge of the roman empire was the fact it was an empire and it would seem silly to destroy the land they were then going to control.
Samwd1 2 weeks ago
@Samwd1 Actually, they never intended to control Carthage, I think they settled it a hundred years later.
leadbasedpain1 2 weeks ago
@Shild LIES.
leadbasedpain1 2 weeks ago
i remember this marathon, had a 30 min show for each emperor. I've been looking for this everywhere whats it called?
EvilDrPenguin 2 weeks ago
@EvilDrPenguin The Rise and Fall of an empire
Kaampper 2 weeks ago
WTH ... why is everyone wearing a muscle cuirass with yoke?
daryush55 3 weeks ago
vive carthago fuck rome
dhiab789 3 weeks ago
It is amazing how the Romans and Athenians had a Democratic Republic Government in BC, and then it was lost from civilisation for thousands of years until the concept of the Republic came back to Europe only through the French Revolution. In between those ages, every country was ruled by Monarchy. The civilisation seriously back paddled after the fall of Rome.
UnitedKorean 3 weeks ago
@UnitedKorean
the monarchy in some european countrys wasnt a tyrrany. monarchy can be good. tyrrany is the "evil twin" of monarchy.
AENAOS1980 3 weeks ago
plato and aristotel use to say "there are 3 major govern tupes. 1)politia,2)aristarxia 3)vasilia and their "evil twins" 1)democrasy 2)oligarchy 3)tyrany. in politia, the magority decide for the whole. in aristarchy, the few decide for the whole and in vasilia the king decide for the whole. in democrazy, the magority decide for the magority,in oligarchy the few decide for themselves and in tyranny the tyrant decide for his own benefit only...as for modern..liberal "democray", its
AENAOS1980 3 weeks ago
even worse than the ancient one. cause its not even a democrazy. its anarchy compined with capitalism (whenever suites) or comiunism (whenever suits). and then true nation, is never benefited by this...
nationalism is the way. and in my opinion, aristarchy is the best goverment system
AENAOS1980 3 weeks ago
5:00 aw shiiit
StadoKotov 4 weeks ago 11
thats greek armor.... not roman...
deathwreeper 4 weeks ago
@deathwreeper this was before Gauis Marius' army reform. before that everyone had to supply their own weapons and equipment. the typical legionare you're thinking of was post-reform, when he created universal equipment and armor and allowed non romans to serve.
tinydatank 3 weeks ago
@tinydatank true, but thats ALL greek armor and burlap sacks.
deathwreeper 3 weeks ago
@deathwreeper well greek hoplites also had to supply their own armor, so maybe they bought it from the same guy haha
tinydatank 3 weeks ago
Unfortunately -- republics tend to become corrupt by losing their way. Monarchies (good and bad) seem to have had a longer period of success given the spiritual training of a king, and that of his supporting aristocracy.
No system is perfect. If asked, I would prefer a theocratic monarchy that concerns itself with the preservation of the Faith, blood and culture. As for globalism: you can keep it; it has no spiritual reference other than vacuous consumerism to nowhere.
edgardusXII 4 weeks ago
3:58 WTF!
TheDedliest 1 month ago
The roman general should star in Die Hard 0.1
a2316369 1 month ago
ancient warfare was fucking savage... up close personal stabbing and slashing people to death
bullshitohen1 1 month ago
are you sure u want to besiege carthage? cause its going to take u about 14 turns to starve them out
MsGampo 1 month ago
every single day, I start to hate romans more and more -_-
TehLamzaks 1 month ago
Rome Total War
jai5951 1 month ago
rome total war ftw
babute21 1 month ago 52
@babute21 i have rome total war but wat does ftw stand for? by the way im a korean so i dont know much
hipie63 1 week ago
@hipie63 FTW stands for For The Win
babute21 1 week ago
@babute21 thank you
hipie63 1 week ago
I liked the part where they were in Carthage :3
damnimbored25 1 month ago
Tunisia/Carthage <3 Same thing ...
Daiepse 1 month ago
@Daiepse The people of Carthage and Phoenicians are no more, Muslim Berbers live there now...
matmanxify 1 month ago
@matmanxify
there are still phoenicians in lebanon
MrFalangist 1 month ago
@matmanxify
and in tunisia the majority are arabs not berbers
MrFalangist 1 month ago
Scipio Amelianus's characterization is all wrong in this video. He supposedly wept when they sacked Rome and quoted a line from Homer. The fall of the city reminding him that every great people will fall some day.
ratmilkcheese 1 month ago
@ratmilkcheese I agree. He was actually against the utter destruction of Carthage and did want to spare it. He was a forgiving man at heart. It was the senate, if I recall, that wanted the city destroyed completely. Which is funny, because they barely lifted a finger to help Scipio the whole way, now that he attained the ultimate victory, they choose to defy him yet again.
Rumblingsauce 1 month ago
...For Rome - video stoped - 7 seconds later - ...and for the Republic.
Respect978 1 month ago
Special thanks to Rome:Total War for the catapult footage.
DowntownBattleHill 1 month ago
@wingolf22 So you group entire nations and/or people and cultural groups as heroes or murderers/villains? Good luck finding a nation and or people that have never committed an atrocity in their history. Any nation that prospers and grows in power to such an extent as Rome is going to oppress and dominate their weaker neighbors. Militarily, economically, culturally or all of the above. You should judge humans as individuals not as a group or I guarantee you will NEVER find that hero.
Lawman52 1 month ago
@Lawman52 ok, you are right at this. one cannot just judge a whole nation. i dont doubt that there were nice guys among the romans - but what their army was used for was mostly aggression, injustice and even genocide.
even if they were culturally undoubtly far ahead of other peoples, they were practically what great britain was in later centuries: an imperialistic power suppressing the weak and exploiting them as slaves ... and in general seen from nowadays not a positive example ...
wingolf22 1 month ago
my ancestor fought this very war.. his armor & weapon are still with us.
fyte4luv808 1 month ago
they didnt have the typical legion structure to their army at that point?
sfcender2012 1 month ago
@sfcender2012 This combat in this video is a completely inaccurate depiction of roman warfare. Yes, they had legions during this period.
xLightFilmsx 1 month ago
@xLightFilmsx Good, I thought so.
sfcender2012 1 month ago
@sfcender2012
Don't listen to him, they didn't had legions at that period, altough not the legions you probably mean. Those legions came after the reforms of Marius between 157-86 BC. This also were legions, but not the typical legion structure that you are talking about. This legion particulairly contained: Hastati, Princepes, and triarii. Is there no one who played rome total war in here?
stevoredeyes 1 month ago
didnt rome stand for inhuman suppression and imperialism in this period? wasn't it racistic and genocidal?
i think those who love this empire of the past just for its effectivnes in combat are not really the ones that understood the values of our times - they were great, yes, but not moralically, just great in their military strength
wingolf22 1 month ago
@wingolf22
Racistic? Sorry but the romans weren't racist, even they also got some africans who were senators. The racist thought are rised in the middle of the 19th century, because of the socialdarwinimus. The romans know that humans are humans and not like the USA, where they don't acept the genscience reasearch that human races doesn't exist.
MidnightStar1000 1 month ago
@MidnightStar1000 even if u say that they went to war with other people for profit alone, claiming their culture and descend from aeneas made them superior and treated other people like slaves
allmost every nation in europe had terrible losses and suffered injustice because of them: celts, germans, slavs, greek - even north africans, egyptians and jews
they murdered whole tribes and even if they didnt base it on race- thoughts, they were THE evil of that time - my opinion
wingolf22 1 month ago
@wingolf22
I never said they weren't unhuman and murder, but they did it for profit and not for racist thought. That are to different kinds pair of shoes. But in my opinion they were superior heroes who united a great part in the ancient world. If you pay your taxes and live peacefully, they never harm you. That's also a fact of the roman empire.
MidnightStar1000 1 month ago
@MidnightStar1000 for me, a hero is somebody who fights to protect - wether he succeeds or not. somebody who fights for his gain or glory is in my opinion a murderer, wether he fails or - as the romans certainly did - sets new records in mil. history.
the pax romana did just apply to those that were useful to the mighty in rome: as the teutons peacefully asked for land, even willing to become servants of rome, they were all slaughtered for the glory of the senat. a whole people
wingolf22 1 month ago
@wingolf22
The teutons weren't that peacefully, they invaded the roman lands and also had brutal fights and raids between themselves. The roman empiere sets a new way for all people they invad. Also the heroes you describe, are rare in the history of mankind.
MidnightStar1000 1 month ago
@MidnightStar1000 im no history prof but i recall being taught they asked for land peacefully first, got attacked by roman forces and in a quest for revenge battled the legions until they were killed - yet what was their alternativ?
they were merely driven by hunger and needed land to survive - land that rome had, even unused, but refused to give them . . .
wingolf22 1 month ago
@wingolf22
No, they teutonics weren't peacefully, they never asked for land, they invade and rape the romans. I don't know where you have such information, but teutonic were barbarians and more wild than diplomatic.
They feared the romans, because of their superior army and cilivization. Sorry, but peacefully is something others.
MidnightStar1000 1 month ago
@MidnightStar1000 technically, the romans were barbarians too - barbarian being grecian and meaning non- greek ... dont just judge their culture because they were not from the mediteranian, they were humans too, and they did not wish to die in battle, starve to death or see their women and children as slaves.
i got the article on wikipedia but as it is often the case, the english article is just short and inaccurate ... i'll translate the german passage for you:
wingolf22 1 month ago
@MidnightStar1000 here: Year 113 bc the cimbri and teutons met the romans for the first time in todays steiermark. consul carbo held the alpine roads to prevent an attack on rome.
although the germans promised to pass in peace and look for land to settle, the romans led them into a trap: carbo gave them guids to help - with the order to slow them down giving the opportunity to ambush
resting at noreia, the cimbri were attacked by 2 legions but destroyed them in battle.
wingolf22 1 month ago
@wingolf22
They entered this land to conquer the country from the celtic tribe Taurisci and wanted the romans for assitance against this tribe, but were betrayed by them. So you can see they wanted this land to steal it from another tribe. What peacefully tribes in the ancient world.
MidnightStar1000 1 month ago
@MidnightStar1000 even if they were at war with celts the roman behaviour (and the fact that this was an >>at least<< triple genocide in the end for teutons, cimbri, ambrons and maybe others) is inhuman.
sure, rome was culturally far ahead, but i doubt that it brought europe more positive than negative effects - i think all that blood is to high a price for military and architectonic progress . ..
wingolf22 1 month ago
@wingolf22
I know what you want to tell me, but you should now, every people on this planet are aggressiv and use violence as a medium for their goals. THe mankind history is full of blood and death, that's the sad side of this world.
MidnightStar1000 1 month ago
@wingolf22 they actually said yes and then when the tribesmen envoys were marching peacefuly the roman commander sent men to assasinate them
sebastianburnhamlope 1 month ago
@Maverickrad Thank you for again, proving my point; that you are an idiot! The Roman general refused to hunt down Spartacus because he was a SLAVE! LOL @ YOU! Not because he used Bows and arrows! You know NOTHING! The Romans LOVED the Bow and Arrow, they used them extensively in every major conflict and battle like EVERYONE ELSE and produced some of the best archers in that region! It was harder to become an archer in the Roman military then a foot soldier! Again you are an idiot!
RazorCell7 1 month ago
@Maverickrad Youre an idiot, to say the Romans never used bows? The Bow and Arrow is one of the greatest weapons of the ancient world the Romans used archers extensively and to great effect. Dont pull random crap out of your ass and think you know about the Romans CLEARLY you by saying they didn't use archers proves how ignorant you are! Lol to say the Jews were some of the toughest enemies in mankind? They won ONE battle against the Romans and they ambushed them! They got destroyed
RazorCell7 1 month ago
The destruction of Carthage was a needless and vindictive war partly caused by the ramblings of the obsessed old senator Cato the Elder, who would constantly repeat "Carthage must be destroyed" no matter what the topic of discussion at hand. It was also an early sign of the degeneration of the Senate, which would culminate in the Senate's utter impotence in the face of First Triumvirate, the rise of Caesar and Octavian and the Civil Wars 100 years later.
squamish4244 1 month ago
@Maverickrad romans used bows but used auxilia for their archers because they thought hand to hand was more important and what about the pilum or the ballistas they used you stupid fuck
JakethesnakeB 1 month ago
@Maverickrad Alexander was not Roman. What the fuck is up with the IFies i keep hearing from you Roman fuckers. Shit. If China wasn't divided they would have smashed the MOngols. Same SHIT argument that that didnt happen so ENOUGH WITH THE IF THIS SHIT AND IF THAT SHIT. No more IFs. Right back to my POINT: Alexander used phalanxes Romans didnt so Alexander had a different kind of army. Also Romans fought PARTHIA who were mostly semi-nomad in war while Darius Persia was mostly foot soldiers.
DragonOfQin 1 month ago
carthago delenda est
mckappe 1 month ago 3
but were not finished lets burn this place!
mungoman1000 1 month ago
Unfukkkme = awsome troll ... Truly inspirational
hazman232 1 month ago
I first see right roman equipment in played documentary movie... Is there any similar movie in this period ?
oxis77gas 1 month ago
"Carthage was utterly raised to the ground." Yep, the writing budget was big on this one.
spacefannumber1 1 month ago
@spacefannumber1 Raze: completely destroy (building, town, or other site)
an expanded vocabulary does a troll good.
TraptbyBenjamin 1 month ago
@Victorian1858Gothic Germans weren't Huns. Huns were nomads. Germans were just barbaric tribes that were not conquered by the Romans.
DragonOfQin 1 month ago
@DragonOfQin just?
well romans destroyed Carthage (impregnable since 600 years, longer than Roma, Alexandria, Athens and every other ancient Mediterranean city) They defeated the barbarians in all of Western Europe and the Mediterranean, and you say "just"
ApolloMars1617 1 month ago
@ApolloMars1617 Romans were overrated. They were only good against disorganized barbarians. Look at what happened when Rome looked East. They couldn't even handle the Persians who had semi-nomadic in their warfare. LOL! Rome didn't conquer Persia. Its easy to conquer barbaric tribes who painted themselves blue and threw stones. Carthage was a piece of crap. Elephants were not effective. No great civilization used them.
DragonOfQin 1 month ago
@DragonOfQin The reason the Romans didn't invade all of Persia was internal problems, so they never got to it, and Crassus didn't do enough research on the people that lived there to know how they fought. Well, they would've invaded Persia if Alexander hadn't, they did conquer where Persia was though. Rome conquered Greece, Carthage, all of Gaul, most of Britain, Spain, Egypt, and your argument. Go take a pilum to the face.
XxC0ldH3artxX 1 month ago
@XxC0ldH3artxX LOL! fucking excuses. Shit if China wasnt invaded by Mongols they would be by the moon now. I hear alot of excuses from roman fanboys. What about you take 2 arrows to your fucking balls. LOL!
DragonOfQin 1 month ago
@DragonOfQin Oh, so it's China now? What happened to your super amazing Parthia? How bout I block your arrows with my scutum, then ram my gladius up your ass, just like Rome would've done to China.
XxC0ldH3artxX 1 month ago
@XxC0ldH3artxX Blow arrows with scutums? Parthian arrows had Roman arms stuck to their shields. I'll ride a horse and keep shooting your ass. Besides you're not even Italian/Roman descent. You're a fucking gaul/slavic/brit/celtic shit. You painted yourself blue and threw stones LOL!
DragonOfQin 1 month ago
@DragonOfQin You wouldn't ride shit, your just a bitch over the internet. Another keybored warrior who thinks he knows what he is talking about. "Roman fanboys?" What is this a fucking video game? Not only are you embarrassing yourself but almost all the shit you've said are of your OPINION and not FACT. Not to mention how much of a tool you are - you dont have to be Italian/Roman descent to like them, and to make fun of the British/Celtic tribes? China couldn't do better!
RazorCell7 1 month ago
@DragonOfQin Oh, so what happened to China? You are making a total fool of yourself. I suggest you stop making comments, so everyone stops getting on your ass about your stupidity. Threw stones? More like rode a chariot into battle!
XxC0ldH3artxX 1 month ago
@XxC0ldH3artxX China as a civilization lasted 1000 years after Rome collapsed. thats what happened dumbass. Lets keep this Rome vs China not some other shit like you're trying to bring about. And like I said are you even Roman descent? Or some fucking goth barbarian descent? Mother fucker.
DragonOfQin 1 month ago
@DragonOfQin China was constantly changing. Rome only changed once. China was also constantly in major civil war and divided. This also only happened to Rome once. The Romans. You say I'm not keeping it Rome vs. China? Are you fucking kidding me? I've been arguing for Rome with complete consistency, but you keep switching back and forth between China and Parthia. Do I need to be of Roman descent to defend it? I am of Roman descent, but you're just fucking retarded.
XxC0ldH3artxX 1 month ago
@XxC0ldH3artxX
What exactly do you mean with change? cause I don't think Rome only changed once. Exualy, I'm pretty sure. And about the civil war, I study history and in my book about Rome, at the end of the republic they talk about a second civil war (49 BC-45 BC). Have I said enough? I hope so. Almost al comments in here are crap, So if there is anyone who disagrees with another, please say it so I can quote my book. That way we all know what modern day historians think is true
stevoredeyes 1 month ago
@stevoredeyes
History is merely written by the victors. And the victors control the books. If your foolish enough to believe the corrupt nature of man can keep a stable history for nearly 2000 years in a book than you really are just an arrogant ass blowing steam. Then again, so is everyone who "knows" their ancient history. If its empiric, archaeological findings then won't argue, but there is a LOT of bias speculation in history. But hey at least your modest enough to include "think is true"
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I included that last sentence because of al the thinks you just said. But I'm talking about historians, and historians try to find the answer by looking further the the victor his story. The things I said are based on reliable sources, because that is what historians do. And ofcourse there never is a 100% guarantee that this is the truth. But what I said is as close to the truth of what we now know.
stevoredeyes 1 month ago
@XxC0ldH3artxX Roman descent my ass. I am fucking God then. Rome lasted for 5 centuries. China depending on which dynasty. One of the most popular dynasties compared to Rome was Han Dynasty lasted 4 and a half centuries. I just parthia as an example becuz Romans fought them and sucked balls at Carrhae. Parthia semi-nomad. Han was nomadic army under Proto-Hun mercs.
DragonOfQin 1 month ago
@DragonOfQin 5 CENTURIES MY ASS! Try 22 centuries. Yes, the Byzantine Empire does count as the Roman empire because it was the Roman Eastern Empire. If Rome actually wanted to invade Parthia, it would've been done easily. The only reason Carrhae existed is because Crassus the Retarded attacked Parthia, and didn't do the research to know how the Parthia fought. He also sat there and let his men get showered by arrows, yet he didn't attempt a testudo to protect them. One defeat won't lose a war...
XxC0ldH3artxX 1 month ago
@XxC0ldH3artxX Whats up with the IFs? the only reason China was conquered by Mongols because Sun Tzu wasn't there. Same shit argument I keep hearing from Roman fanboys. 22 centuries? What the fuck? Rome fell you dipshit. Justinian tried to revive Rome but he didn't. Rome was overan by barbarians such as your ancestors. Now we got idiots claiming to be roman descent.
DragonOfQin 1 month ago
@DragonOfQin I'm not talking about the city, retard, I'm talking about the the people. Is China a city? Didn't think so. Oh, and sorry, I didn't know being of certain nationalities was impossible. Why don't you do the math yourself, genius? Here I'll even provide you with some real information, not your stupid ass book. The Romans lasted from 753 B.C. to 1453 B.C. when Constantinople was invaded. If you do the math, it's about 2200 years, and that's 22 centuries.
XxC0ldH3artxX 1 month ago
@XxC0ldH3artxX "stupid ass book"? Those BOOKS are college World History texts written by fucking goddamn scholars of world history. These nerds didnt write these mainsteam books for nothing pal. Unless you are qualified you aint got nothing on those nerds that sell their "stupid ass books" to schools and colleges around the US.
DragonOfQin 1 month ago
@XxC0ldH3artxX Let me make this simple and stupid for you. What is the name of the empire the Julio-Claudian Dynasty? Imperium Romanum How about the Flavian Dynasty? Imperium Romanum Nerva-Antonian Dynasty? Imperium Romanum What is the name of the empire the Han Dynasty was ruling? How about the Tang?Sui?Song?The answer is 中国. What is the name of the country that China Communist Party is ruling?中国 What is the name of the current ruling body of the Imperium Romanum? None it no longer exists.
DragonOfQin 1 month ago
@XxC0ldH3artxX btw to save you some time, the 2 Chinese characters are Zhong Guo meaning Middle Kingdom. Chinese believed they were at the center of the world. That is why Chinese did not have expansionist policies throughout most of its dynastic rule except when they were ruled by ethnic nomads( Yuan and Qing ). So their isolationist policy justified their Middle Kingdom belief. There was nothing worth conquering to the Chinese.
DragonOfQin 1 month ago
@DragonOfQin China as a civilisation? mate your a fucking idiot, China as a civilisation didn't exist until 1912. Go read a fucking book.
Robsfund 1 week ago
@Robsfund what the fuck? LMFAO! You're absolutely retarded.
DragonOfQin 1 week ago
@DragonOfQin that's your argument? awesome, thanks for showing everyone that you don't know a thing and saving me a job ;)
Robsfund 1 week ago
@Robsfund want arguments? Great Wall, Forbidden City, TerraCotta Army, etc. THose things dont ring a bell dumbass geek?
DragonOfQin 1 week ago
@DragonOfQin yes, now you are saying various creations from various different dynasties that ruled parts of modern day China. Your still being an idiot, it's cute.
Robsfund 1 week ago
@Robsfund different dynasties same people dumbass.
DragonOfQin 1 week ago
@DragonOfQin I hate arguing on the internet, but come on really? There are several different Chinese 'races' (i hesitate to use that term) just as there were several countries that make up China. I suggest you find an actual Chinese person to discuss history with as you don't seem to be listening to anything i'm saying, instead relying on insults to try and make yourself seem right... you are totally dumb as fuck (irony intended).
Robsfund 1 week ago
@Robsfund don be a smart ass geek shit. where did 91.5% of the hans in china come from? your ass? dummy.
DragonOfQin 1 week ago
super powers?! good lord, I wish they would stop reading modern events back onto the past!
Santino04 1 month ago
so basically, how can you evade the buring oil and the flying arrows like that badass commander?
theraynor1995 2 months ago
wouldn't it just be easier to make the armor with out the six packs and pecks just sayin.
chubbycam019 2 months ago
@chubbycam019 back then style and fashion was important on the battlefield, just to show "haha i can afford a six pack muscle cuirass".
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TheCommenEagle 2 months ago
@unfukkkmee
Your mother doesn't love you child. Take what little comfort you can knowing better men are now picking up the slack for your sorry Greek ass and that of all your historically man-loving kinsmen.
In other news, you are still a chode.
RectalExplosives88 2 months ago
@unfukkkmee
Umadbro?
RectalExplosives88 2 months ago
@DrinkToIreland
Forget this wasteman. He is a remedial and a clown.
RectalExplosives88 2 months ago
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unfukkkmee 2 months ago
@unkukkkmee
Guess someone got felt up again last night?
RectalExplosives88 2 months ago
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KaisersPrime 2 months ago
@unfukkkmee
Well aren't you a true keyboard warrior? You venting rage online cos you can't get daddy to stop tickling your little balls when mummy's asleep? Fuck off you prat.
RectalExplosives88 2 months ago
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unfukkkmee 2 months ago
@unfukkkmee you are probably retarded... did you miss your shortbus today all caps rage keyboard warrior?
DrinkToIreland 2 months ago
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unfukkkmee 2 months ago
@unfukkkmee sure... and justin beiber makes good music... first off stop typing in all caps you look like a fucking dipshit. and secondly what does scotland have to do with being "siberian scum" ? And nice the "i'm most smartest person" thing is really going good for you. It's like saying "my grammar is gooder than yours"
DrinkToIreland 2 months ago
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unfukkkmee 2 months ago
@unfukkkmee red face? how is that exactly. And if all you can throw is insults. Congrats for your stupidity
DrinkToIreland 2 months ago
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unfukkkmee 2 months ago
@unfukkkmee I am a pussy? jesus christ fix your caps lock
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DrinkToIreland 2 months ago
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DrinkToIreland 2 months ago
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