Stinger Operations against Soviet Mi-24 HIND helicopter

[esl21]

What does it look like when you're looking through the sight/scope? Is there some sort of HUD system, or does it have simple optics?

[Vanyaaynav]

Probably American soldiers think that civil plane AN-2 is a strategic bomber.... LOL

[TheMacMan35]

WOLVERINES!! lol

[ahurley333]

LAAD Sucks!!!

[r3dst4r9O]

dirty dirty americans how dare you molest Soviet military equipment.

So sad all those Kalshnikovs in the hands of Reactionary American imperialist in Vietnam. And later betrayal from China, arming the Taliban with AK and RPG to murder the brave soviet liberator troops in Afghanistan.

[DECEpicGaming]

man what are thoe hinds beautifull

[TJOstrowski]

How often do you do train like this?

[techprosystemspr]

20,000 of these are missing from Lybia. Where will they end?

[r3dst4r9O]

@techprosystemspr CHINA!

[SPT111]

i heard the iff antene go flopping up and gunner appologizing to tc for not having done so before hand. the tht was a blast to use you gamers have nothing over us..we get real weight on our shoulders..

[SPT111]

i heard the iff antene go flopping up and gunner appologizing to tc for not having done so before hand.

[sactoPUNX]

BACK BLAST AREA CLEAR!!



[marineooo5]

Gster stfu

[bestamerica]

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america is the best made stinger missile and did hit few ussr russia helicopters Mi-24 down few times,,,

Mi-24 is afraid of stinger missile

[TheGregEgg]

Thumbs down for not being a live fire exercise.

[Spitfire995]

waste of a good helicopter

[CazK88]

So was the Soviet MiG remotely operated?

[Imprudentman]

it seems this guy had enough sense not to press the trigger arms. The beautiful nature

[Gster1985]

In MW2, I would've tapped both those airplanes in ten seconds!

These guys are complete numbnuts!!! You just f*cked the whole green team!

[nullzor]

What kind of targets will the stinger take out?

[hehehe929]

@nullzor Aircraft

[biggrigga]

I was waiting for something to be shot down but NOOOOOOOOOOOO

[SeanyPancakes]

Sounds like fucking dial-up.

[Russia2010]

RUSSIAN POWER!

[tipex12]

very nice of the helicopter to fly in nice circles for them instead of an attack run

[mushroom0311]

@tipex12 When you are doing exercises like this, time keeping is very important. We record and report the time that we first spot, engage, then successfully "destroy" the aircraft. That is then reported up to higher command, which compares similar data comming from the target (in case it did the same to us). The one that engaged first is generally the winner.

[Humberto4790]

@mushroom0311 So this was just practice?

[mushroom0311]

@tipex12 In these exercises, time keeping is critical. You write down the time you spotted and engaged the target (accurate to the second), and they are doing the same thing. The one that engages first wins (is decided at a seperate location by referees). And we were not the only units out there. It was circling because it was engaging a PATRIOT battery about 2 miles from our location. The circles were actually simulated attack runs on that location.

[xDuffman3000x]

stupid cameraman stands in the blast of the rocket launcher xD

[mushroom0311]

@xDuffman3000x It was not an actual launcher. It is a training unit. It does however have a seeker head, so you can practice locking on and tracking a target. The tones 9and a light display) tell you if you had properly engaged and sired the unit. But there is no actual working missile inside.

[thewhitechild123]

@xDuffman3000x does the stinger have a back blast?

[xDuffman3000x]

@thewhitechild123 For sure. Nearly every older rocket launcher has a back blast. Most accidents happens with untrained RPG-"Users"...

[fighterjetsensei]

i've heard of a US Army unit that flies captured russian helicopters, were they at this excercise? or was this a unit from a friendly country that has old soviet bloc aircraft?

[mushroom0311]

@fighterjetsensei That is OPFOR. And that was generally the case in the 1980's, mostly with tanks bought from Israel. Since the 1990's, the US has bought a lot of old Soviet equipment, a lot of it from Germany and Russia. The bird in this video is owned by a charter company that normally rents it out for movies. I wish I was able to get a shot of the Bede DB-5 Acrostar jet that we were useing to simulate cruise missiles. It is well known to James Bond fans.

[BobCrane787]

Thats an expensive tesst.

[enricucho33]

In Nicaragua, the Contras shot down at least a couple of MI-24 helos..

of course, severals MI-17, and Mi-8 was shoot down too.. The Contras ...the first anticommunist guerrilla in America..¡

[XboxReleases]

What is that deadful background noise?

[stoopidoooo]

@XboxReleases thats called locking on with a stinger

[XboxReleases]

What is that deadful background noise?

[Idratherbeflying89]

@XboxReleases Thats the sound of the stinger locking on to the Hind.

[gauharjk]

Didn't fire a single shot?

[toastertomattoe]

the helicopter is computerized?

[mushroom0311]

@toastertomattoe All modern helicopters are computerized. And just like modern fighter planes, they have digital HUD and automatic flight controls. In fact, there is an upgrade that is called the SuperHIND, with a fully modern digital avionics upgrade. However, the model you see in the video is an older Mi-24-D, a 1970's variation that was constructed for use purely as a gunship.

[LukRacer]

@toastertomattoe u mean that it´s unmanned?

If you mean that then it is.

[toastertomattoe]

@LukRacer yeah. i woudln't believe that they actaully had someone fly it but i had to make sure

[mushroom0311]

@micahlblxy Your comment has been removed because it is spam.

[ukrainesuperpower87]

Stinger and other MANPADs had very low effectiveness against Hinds during Afghanistan war. Hinds were equiped with flares and IR-jammer to suppress missiles in most cases.

[AK410]

what is the best SAM then?

[mushroom0311]

That all depends. There are many different kinds, depending on the threat.

For the US, the main land based systems are the Stinger, and PATRIOT. Stinger is man portable, and designed to take out low level threats. PATRIOT is designed to take out aircraft, but is also useable against incomming missiles.

There is also a new system comming out now, called THAAD. That is designed for higher level threats, and missiles. So it really depends what the threat is as to which is "best".

[AK410]

thanks a lot bro. well for example in the Nagorno-Karabagh war in '94 when the Armenians were coming up against much more heavily armed and better equipped Azeris, they were able to down many fighter jets (most were Migs I think) and so if they used it on fighter jets whats stopping from using SAMs that can hit jets on targets like Apaches. This is a link that recorded one of the hits using the SAM (watch?v=xTQg3jOKnYg)

Curiously the pilot ejects and when captured turns out 2 be a russian merc

[joscof]

Because, Soviet built aircraft produce an incredible heat signature. The AH-64D has to coolers equipped to the back of the turbojets which significantly reduce a missiles hit chances. Also, if you watched how the USAF took care of targets in the Gulf War and when invading Iraq in 2003, you would know all the enemies missile defense systems and radar stations are takin out ahead of time by cruise missiles, high altitude and stealth aircraft, and AH-64s which fire outside the enemies range.

[mushroom0311]

You may say they were ineffective, history tells something quite different. And while things like flares made Stinger less effective, it also forced the Soviets to change their tactics and be less agressive with their aircraft.

But hundreds of aircraft were shot down during the war, the numbers lessening later on as the HIND was used less and less in a close air support role.

[AK410]

I remember reading somewhere that the US should stop making fighter helicopters as they are not very effective compared to their vulnerability to attack and that it would be better if they invest in the A-10 warthogs. What do you think

[mushroom0311]

Different aircraft, different mission. The A-10 is primarily anti-tank. It has some close air support, but a limited role. The Attack helicopter is primarily a close air support vehicle, that can come in slow and provide much more accurate fire. It also can hover in place to provide high volume in one location, something a plane can't do. It can also operate from any open space with fuel and ammo, something the Hog can't do. For their mission they are highly effective.

[ppitm]

They only used the flares and jammers after dozens were shot done by the sudden appearance of MANPADs in the field.

[mushroom0311]

True. The Soviets did call it "The Flyin Tank", and thought it invulnerable to most ground fire. And the old STINGER originally provided did not do much damage. Bur with the STINGER, this was quickly proven wrong. A total of 333 HINDs were shot down. While this time a lot have been lost to mechanical failure, total combat losses are 7 CH-47 transport helicopters, 1 MI-24, 1 MI-26, 2 UH-60, 1 OH-58, and 1 Cougar. All to small arms or RPG. No anti-air rockets have hit any coalition birds.

[zipacna1980]

@mushroom0311 What a BS. Soviets never had more than 150 Hinds in Stan and only lost 78 of them. Most combat losses are to artillery and rifle fire with only 18 lost to manpads. It took Soviets less than a year to develop, produce and install a 'Lipa' IR-jammer and an exhaust coolers reducing a Stinger hit ratio to one hit per 200 shots.

[mushroom0311]

@zipacna1980 Interesting, got any references on those numbers?

And you seem to believe thet the Stinger was an IR homing missile, that is wrong. That is the older REDEYE that was provided at the beginning of the war. The STINGER is both IR and RADAR guided.

[zipacna1980]

@mushroom0311 It is from Soviet DoD and JSC Mil- a Hind maker joint study on an effectiveness of aircraft countermeasures. Sorry, but there is no any more truesome source on the subject.They counted 563 launches and 89 hits with 18 aircraft totaled. And Stinger was NOT a radar guided. Later B model had an UV mode to counter decoys but still wasn't radar guided. You have to know it as a former marine.