Glorious music! And performance! Growing up I enjoyed a family's LP with Deller and Lute playing/singing a lot of English folk songs. Fantastic! Still think, whistle these as I walk.
I was listening last week to a BBC Radio 4 programme on countertenors. It was fascinating. It mentioned Alfred Deller and the way his voice was different from the "normal" cathedral male alto voice of the time in being clearer with less vibrato. It's much better to have countertenors rather than female altos singing baroque operatic roles like Gluck's Orfeo because that was who they were originally written for.
It seems to me that Deller has the same melancholic voice as Esswood. Or Am I way off here? Deller and Esswood just transports me 300 years back in time.
Thanks so much for posting this. Deller did so much to promote counter tenor (and English) music in the 20th century. Thanks to him we can hear so many wonderful counter tenors today. Truly a gift.
Deller was a ground breaker in this country. I played early wind instruments growing up, and he was a part of the NYC early music scene. Thank you for such a clean recording.
@hgrishaver Jaroussky has nothing on Deller, simply because hes English and pronounces the words better and his voice is just better than Jaroussky's falsetto. thats probably why you find it hard to compare the two, ones a counter tenor the other is a fake.
@shariotoflove i attended a concert in early december of the two countertenors which I have admired the most since I discovered the countertenor voice: Philippe Jaroussky and Andreas Scholl (my absolute number 1 favourite of all time) at the Beaux-Arts in Brussels. Now, in Scholl's defence, he was sick, so his voice was only a shadow of the dynamic and beauty that it can usually give, but Jaroussky... My god, Jaroussky was absolutely stunning! His technique was perfect!
@Guichotpresident well if youre into fallsettos singing countertenor pieces, that renders two things a) you probably dont know much about the true countertenor voice and b) its your 'thing', and youre entitled to that. i would actually put Scholl on a much higher position in terms of ability and being the pure countertenor. if people like you need someone like Jaroussy to change countertenor, or popularise it in your own words, in order to like it then you cant really be a true baroque lover.
@shariotoflove he slid through every sentence with an ease I thought didn't exist! Vocally, Andreas Scholl was nowhere near him. Though, of course, Scholl's theatrical performances and the emotion that he can infuse his voic with surpass Jaroussky, but I wonder if in that too, Jaroussky will surpass Scholl in time? I think Jaroussky is brilliant, his popularization of baroqie is the best thing that could ever happen and not liking him is musical snobbery.
@Guichotpresident not liking him is an opinion which snobs like you need to get your head around. 'popularisation' sometimes changes what baroque music is in its purest form and actually, in the long term, makes us forget how Baroque music ought to be performed. i would hate it if someone was out there to change something which is, in nature, unique and ought to be preserved. the fact that Jaroussky doesnt go near a harpsichord shows that he has little love for baroque itself.
@Guichotpresident the reason why Jaroussy 'slid through,' or in real terms, rushed through, was probably due to little knowledge and command of English language, and far less so of 17th Century English diction, which is required to make this piece work. Purcell was English, I am English, the Music is English, the piece is written in English, therefore only Alfred Deller could do justice to the piece, thats not to say imitators like Jaroussky cant have a go, but they will remain in the shadows.
@shariotoflove wow, thank you for those demeaning, insulting and very educating comments, that were, if I'm not much mistaken, totally uncalled for. Let's go through this together, shall we? First of all, could you enlighten me as to the difference between falsettists and countertenors?
@Guichotpresident first of all, i dont see how youre insulted when you called me the snob! besides, this is the problem im having with people calling falsettists the same as countertenors. i would agree that a countertenor would need to use falsetto for the higher end of the range, however countertenors like Deller and somewhat Scholl use a their diaphragm for the everything else. Jarrousky abuses the falsetto almost throught the ranges, which is part and parcel of modern 'pop' baroque.
@shariotoflove You talk about educating people, but your comments evidence a lack of understanding of countertenor technique. There is a great deal of misinformation on the topic, so it's understandable. The diaphragm is one of the muscles of inhalation; it has nothing to do with tone production.
@allanjmcpherson Its not a matter of misinformation at all, but for your information i probably know more about early music than you will ever dream of. Besides who is talking about the diaphragm, im not disagreeing with you. I'm talking about Deller having the better tone as he uses his modal voice, and people like Jaroussky relying on falsetto making them male sopranos at best...its a matter of opinion. Please read the conversation before joining in maybe.
@shariotoflove First of all, I was talking about countertenor technique, which is different from early music, so let's get that clear from the outset. Second of all, don't assume to know what I do or do not know about early music. Restrict your comments to the contents of mine, as I have yours. Finally, if you want to convince people, rambling, run-on sentences are not the way to do it.
@allanjmcpherson im not here to convince you, you can live in ignorance all you like...its no skin off my nose. second of all, i do believe countertenor is what is used in early music with regards to male voice, which was popular at the time and relevant to this piece of music. the later additions of contralto and mezzo-soprano were the female equivalents which came in galant/classical music. you really dont know what youre talking about im afraid.
@shariotoflove Maybe I missed something, but I'm not sure why you're talking about sopranos and mezzos. As far as I can tell this has nothing to do with anything in this discussion so far.
@allanjmcpherson you said; "First of all, I was talking about countertenor technique, which is different from early music, so let's get that clear from the outset." I mere pointed out to you that in fact countertenor is the correct term for early music, contrary to your belief. i then pointed out more modern variants of the countertenor which i though you may have confused yourself with.
@shariotoflove Again, we are not discussing early music, but vocal technique, and if you look at vocal pedagogy throughout the ages, the term falsetto is used in widely divergent and often contradictory ways. If you are going to use it, it is wise to define exactly what you mean by it. I maintain, based upon experience and study, that Jaroussky and Deller are extremely different singers using their vocal folds in basically the same way, even though their techniques vary greatly.
@allanjmcpherson we? whos we? i dont know about you but im discussing early music and countertenor technique, and the nationality of the singer. i dont care much for falsetto, and its divergent ways as you suggest, as ive stated that Jaroussky uses it too much. therefore, as ive said the whole fucking time, their techniques differ. i dont believe a falsetto would use their diaphragm as much as a proper countertenor like Deller. also the use of the abdomen is different between the two singers.
@shariotoflove We meaning you and me. The issue of how vocal tone is physically produced is one of technique. The choice of which to use is historically based, but this has no effect on whether the physical technique is fundamentally the same. You have yet to clearly define what you mean by falsetto as distinct from what Deller did. If you can explain what you mean and show that it is in fact fundamentally different, you will have proven your point. As it is, you have not.
First you talked about the diaphragm and then the abdomen. They are different. The diaphragm is a muscle at the base of the ribcage that contracts to increase the ribcage volume and cause air to enter the lungs. It is passive on exhalation, which is its relaxation phase. As such it can not in any way affect tone. The abdomen includes the abdominal muscles, which it seems may be what you have meant when you referred to the diaphragm. If so, you may have a valid point.
@shariotoflove Oh, and incidentally, if you want to engage in intelligent debate, as you claim, please have the decency to take the effort to write with correct grammar, spelling, and punctuation. This has nothing to do with your arguments; it's merely academic courtesy.
@allanjmcpherson spelling and grammar are not signs of intelligence, anybody can be trained to spell, rather its the content and logic used. besides, bringing up grammar and punctuation in an informal debate, especially a YouTube one, are signs of weakness in the argument. in other words, youre not worth the time of day for my good grammar and punctuation. may i also add, its laughable at best for a yank to correct an englishman on his english.
@shariotoflove Be that as it may, it is through language that content and logic are conveyed. In addition, it is merely a sign of respect for others engaged in the debate. I never said it was a sign of intelligence to use correct spelling, grammar, punctuation, and capitalization. In fact, I quite clearly said that it is a courtesy. Furthermore, I am not a Yank, but a Canadian, and to say that I can't correct your English because of where you were born is frankly absurd.
@allanjmcpherson respect is earned, never taken for granted and i have no desire to convince you of my way of thinking - i couldnt give a monkey's toss! you said "if you want to engage in INTELLIGENT debate" one must use correct grammar, so why are you saying you never said it was a sign of intelligence? you then stated it was also a courtesy. youre still not English, and therefore most often than not speak a different and more alien version of English; one of which most British wont recognise.
@shariotoflove I believe you will find that in academic discourse, as in society in general, a certain level of respect is assumed from the beginning. Respect may then be earned or lost, but the default starting point is not the disdain you have shown for others in this forum.
I asked that you write well, because showing that simple courtesy facilitates a coherent debate and shows your willingness to engage on an intellectual level. Poor spelling, grammar, punctuation and capitalization come across as ranting, whether you intend them to or not. That I am not English is irrelevant. Standard English usage is standard, no matter who is using it. You're still the one making (seemingly) raving posts with poor English usage, not I.
@allanjmcpherson i dont need to speak in great English, ive realised that you take care on this especially since you dont have much else to stand on, i think that's mightily fortunate for you. an English person will have better knowledge of their language than an American would, just look at the bad habits and complete debauchery that the yanks undertake on my language. as ive said, correcting one's grammar is a sign of a wavering argument. clutching at straws must chafe the hands, no?
Incidentally, as far as I can tell you haven't presented any explanations or evidence for your claims, merely assertions and insults. I'm not sure what your academic experience is, but I have never met any serious academics who debated in this manner.
@allanjmcpherson nor have i from you, just pure conjecture. ive stated my opinions and justified them as much as i need to. if you think diaphragm has no impact on the sound of voice, then ill just let you wander in the wilderness. enjoy the music.
@shariotoflove I might add as well, that my original comments still stand. I did read the conversation before joining in, and your latest comment does not disabuse me of my conviction that you are misinformed about countertenor technique. As a countertenor myself, and having done considerable reading and experimentation regarding singing technique, I can tell you based on what I've learned, including what Deller himself said of his voice, that Jaroussky and Deller sing in basically the same way.
@allanjmcpherson i dont believe, from what im hearing that they both rely on exactly the same technique. its obvious that Jaroussky relies more on falsetto than Deller...its what i hear. thats not to say that Jaroussky never uses his original modal voice, you just dont get to here it especially when performing this piece which is the topic for debate. youve failed to convince me on where im wrong and if anything for a countertenor you do seem to be slightly confused.
@shariotoflove Well, what do you mean by falsetto? It's a term that means many things to many people, so define what you mean. Incidentally, I'm relying on personal experience as a countertenor, coupled with considerable research into the issue, rather than simply "what I hear". The basic vibratory function of the folds is the same. It is in resonance and related concepts that the tonal difference resides, as I stated previously.
@allanjmcpherson the reason why it means many things to many people is retards like you and modern-day baroque listeners are overcomplicating baroque terms and the music itself. there is only one meaning, that's it. youve come on here claiming to have studied and are a countertenor, which cant be verified, but all i keep hearing is regurgitated sentences from textbooks. why are you talking about the vibratory function and resonance? although, Jarrousky abuses the former i dont see the relevance.
@shariotoflove You weaken your position by throwing the word "retards" around like that. My point was that the diaphragm has nothing to do with the difference in tone between Deller and Jaroussky. Resonance and tonal concept do, but the diaphragm does not. If I do sound like I am "regurgitating sentences from textbooks" it is because part of my study has included reading the works of great voice pedagogues and scientists. I am simply drawing upon existing knowledge about singing.
@allanjmcpherson not really, retard is perfectly good English and apt. of course if you put more pressure through your diaphragm it helps for a sonorous tone, you just dont want to accept that, i dont care about resonance and tonal concept. copy and pasting terms may make you look smart, however it does show cracks in other parts of you knowledge - especially regarding the diaphragm. lets say that diaphragm doesnt affect tone, but Deller still uses it to great effect as opposed to Jaroussky.
@shariotoflove It is perfectly good English, but it is not apt. Retardation is a statistically significant delay in mental age relative to one's peer group. To simply throw the word at people with whom you disagree is poor form in both its lack of civility towards your opponents and its insinuation of worthlessness of those who are mentally retarded.
@allanjmcpherson i've already said what i've wanted to say regarding the crux of the debate. im now just insulting you, why, because its fun! those who are mentally retarded cant help it, but why are you trying to model yourself on them?
So far, you've insulted and belittled every person who has tried to engage in debate with you. For that reason, I ask that you not reply unless you intend to maintain civility. As for my part, if at any point I have offended you, I apologize, as this was never my intent.
@allanjmcpherson you havent offended me at all, it seems youre more offended than anyone. just man up and debate. im not going to kiss your arse and, as i said before, assertiveness is a part of civility.
@shariotoflove Debate and insults are not the same. Assertiveness is fine. You have displayed hostility, which is not. I don't expect you to "kiss my arse" but I do expect basic decorum.
@allanjmcpherson its not fine, but who's going to stop me? who's going to disqualify me? you seem to think that this is some sort of Oxford University debate...well, it isnt! youre now excused to go fuck yourself and your flagrant attempt at early music theory.
@shariotoflove You must be extremely stupid if you really think that, I'm sorry. "Earn respect"! What are you, in a Western? But, yes, you are a child of Youtube: excited, disrespectful, and what my generation would call a troll or a hater.
@shariotoflove I do agree that Deller is a superior singer (at least when it comes to the music of Purcell). My original point was that your arguments should be based in fact, especially if you are going to speak of educating people. My intent was not to demean you. I simply wanted to help correct some common misconceptions about singing and the countertenor voice, such as the role of the diaphragm. There really isn't room to get into the complexities of "falsetto" in this venue, unfortunately.
@allanjmcpherson i also said Deller is better in English baroque. my points were initially based on my opinion, but i feel ive used facts enough to counteract your assertions. i sincerely think the source of misconceptions are not from purists like me, but rather from modern-day baroque listener like yourself who 'innovate' something that is not in the need of it. complexities in falsetto is irrelevant to Deller's superiority in the countertenor voice. falsetto just exists in jarrousky's more.
@shariotoflove I may not have made it clear that I agree that Jaroussky does not have a tone typical of Baroque singing. My objections were to substantiating this with ill-defined and physiologically inexact descriptions using physiological terms.
@allanjmcpherson its not ill-defined or inexact, and its the first ive heard that diaphragm has no impact on tone. so im not going to worry myself, im just have some good sport.
@shariotoflove The differences in their voices are the result of differences in tonal concept, resonance, physiognomy, etc. The basic phonatory mode, however, is the same. I honestly don't particularly care for either of their voices. I much prefer Daniel Taylor, Andreas Scholl, or Christophe Dumaux. I'm merely pointing out that they are all basically doing the same thing. If you find it so disdainful that someone else might know something you don't, please don't bother to reply.
@allanjmcpherson ok now this is very hypocritical of you. you get annoyed when someone speaks down to you but you then do the same thing right back. pray tell, am i speaking to an adult?! nevertheless i do believe youre just throwing soundbites at me from a textbook which you probably dont know much about. the physiognomy has very little to do with the pitch and the English diction which Deller uses, and the tonal concept of both players is consistent throughout most of their performances.
@allanjmcpherson I also am willing to admit my mistakes. It would appear that I replied to the wrong post initially. My original comments were intended for Guichotpresident. My latest comments stand.
@allanjmcpherson i had to skim the comments to find where i spoke of diaphragms as you couldnt do it yourself. regardless, i would still stand by my comment that singers using the diaphragm, like Deller, as opposed to relying more on the throat, Jaroussky, are original hence better countertenors.
@shariotoflove "however countertenors like Deller and somewhat Scholl use a their diaphragm for the everything else. Jarrousky abuses the falsetto almost throught the ranges, which is part and parcel of modern 'pop' baroque." As I already commented, the diaphragm's only function is to contract in order to cause inhalation. It can not affect tone. This isn't just my belief. You will find it stated clearly in any number of scientifically written books on vocal technique.
@allanjmcpherson you do realise that the two sentences youve quoted are exclusive to one another. my point about Deller using his diaphragm more than Jarrousky still stands, as does the fact that Deller's tone is his natural tone of voice. why have you confused the two statements? in other words, i said Jarrousky uses less diaphragm as well as using a falsetto...thus making my statement still valid. you need to calm down before typing.
@shariotoflove Be that as it may, the diaphragm remains an involuntary muscle. I don't dispute that there is a very real difference between the singing of Deller and Jarrousky. I am merely pointing out that that difference is not attributable to the diaphragm per se, as they both are using the diaphragm by necessity. In order to inhale, one must use the diaphragm. Upon exhalation, the diaphragm is passive.
@shariotoflove Actually, it would appear I was right in the first place. This is where you talked about the diaphragm. Ignore my previous comment. My initial comments all stand. If you wish to have a serious, respectful conversation, please reply. If not, please don't.
@allanjmcpherson no sorry you havent pointed out where i spoke about the diaphragm. also there are a host of other reasons why Deller is the master of this repertory and that is his immaculate English diction. i honestly dont know how more serious one can be with a stranger over the internet, but i have pretty much pointed out why i think Deller is superior to Jarrousky, which was the initial topic of this debate before you joined, in this repertoire.
@shariotoflove I don't need anyone to popularize anything but baroque is so heart-wrenchingly beautiful that it deserves to be introduced to the highest amount of people, in my opinion, but maybe you don't because you think it should only be introduced to a select few, in which case you are a disgusting snob. I don't like Alfred Deller's voice because it's not beautiful, because it doesn't have the firmness, the strength or the flexibility that modern countertenors do, not because I'm a snob.
@Guichotpresident see, you presume things i said, wrongly, and attribute them as ad hominems. i never said that barqoue should be only for a select few, but rather it should not be changed beyond recognition just attarct more people. i say keep it traditional, and whoever likes it or doesnt like it can make their choice. Deller's voice has tremendous strength and firmness, and he certainly isnt a 'modern' countertenor, simply because the pieces are not modern pieces. is that too hard to grasp?
@shariotoflove furthermore, I just think that the way that you have to be so aggressive just goes to show that there's no point in arguing with you because it won't be civilized or respectful. I'd just like to say that I hate all that you represent in youtube, the snobs, the trolls and all the people who hide behind anonymity and rely on it so that they can just be disrespectful to anyone they like.
@Guichotpresident im sorry if me educating you has caused you offence, but i only represent myself and will voice my opinion where ever i feel, as you and many others do here on YouTube. im not here to be your friend but, if need be, i will discuss my opinions and debate. i guess not taking crap and being assertive is somehow uncivilised where you come from, but from my experience it is necessary in any forum of debate. to civil, you could start by not calling people names like snob.
@shariotoflove modern or traditional,we must appreciate it,for all i know music s a gift ,im not an artist but i like the piece.it s distinct but still it s linked to the modern peices.i consider it rare.
@72Redbike i cant see the link to modern pieces myself, other than the modern pieces being linked to it. but i do agree that its very rare which is why im so defensive over it and love it so much :p
@shariotoflove I'm sorry if i've offended you, no doubt you are much wiser than me as I am only 16 and no doubt you know much more about baroque and countertenors than I do, I just think that you should learn (and it's never too late to learn) to be civilized in your arguments and be respectful. Good day.
I love Alfred Deller's singing; he is surely one of the greatest countertenors ever, a legendary artist. Andreas Scholl and Philippe Jarousky are also very good and the latter's performance is on youtube. However, the most moving performance of this song I ever heard, or ever hope to hear, is sung by the late contralto, Maureen Forrester. Thanks for sharing this!
Deller has one of the most remarkable countertenor voices I have ever heard. Take this unique voice and combine it with his sensitive musicianship, and we have this truly incredible performance! Thanks for sharing, meltzerboy, and thank you, essenciademusica, for posting. :)
@HM0880 Thanks for sharing too:-). Though Alfred Deller together with Russel Oberline are not my favourite CTs with a rather unpleasant timbres and vibrato for me but I agree that they are great. I just think that now CT technique is more advanced which makes CT singing more beautiful, and the technique in which the Dellers (his son as well) sang and even one of my favourites Bowman is already kinda archaic. I prefer Asawa's and Scholl's version but this one is good too! He is not a FAKE as PJ!
@meltzerboy I think Deller cultivated a special sound, which reveals such are warm and gentle sound, which is really unrivaled. I could listen to him for hours!
@meltzerboy Well, I agree about Deller's version though he isn't "my" voice. I prefer Scholl's and Asawa's beautiful and emotional versions! But I'll never agree with you about that promoted nonentity Philippe Jaroussky! Sorry. You shouldn't put him in the same category as true CTs like those mentioned here. He is just a FALSETTIST! He has no classical training and no DEPTH of singing! He only makes MUSICAL PARODIES on baroque in POP STYLE! But he and his promoters present it as TRUE STUFF!
@meltzerboy PJ is just a POP SINGER, an imitator of baroque stuff not bringing anything personal, individual into his singing. He shares no soul, no emotions, just makes touching faces pretending that he has somewhat emotions. But please you with your fine taste in music concerning great tenors listen more closely to his sweet and empty voice just producing isolated sounds, "smooth" surface", monotonously on ONE NOTE! It's NOT baroque! He belongs together with Vitas, Brightman, Bocelli. It's POP
@serenaluce I have no vested interested in defending Jaroussky's singing. To tell the truth, I haven't heard enough of these countertenors to express much of an opinion. The few selections I have heard performed by Jaroussky and Scholl I liked insofar as I can appreciate this kind of voice, for the sound of the countertenor is not exactly my cup of tea. As I stated before, I much prefer Maureen Forrester's rendition of the piece and wish someone would post that version. TY for the Spanos song!
@meltzerboy Actually CT singing is very beautiful and great if it's sung right, if it's REAL STUFF and not just MUSICAL PARODIES to please people with sugary sounds sung in a falsetto technique. What PJ does it's just PROFANATION of baroque, opera, not to use a stronger word also beginning with "pro...":-) This hype about him is ARTIFICIALLY created to make money just like McDonald's claims that its food is REAL and HEALTHY. And many people believe it. And PROMOTION makes PJ "great" and "TRUE"!
@meltzerboy It's OK that now CT voice is not your cup of tea:-). But if you are open-minded and have no prejudice against this type of voice you can't like it more later, but perhaps you just haven't found "your" CTs yet. Actually, Scholl can be stunning in some pieces of Sacred music and songs like this one, but he is not one of my favourites when it comes to opera. You mean Spanos's singing Satie on my channel? There are so many songs he sings beautifully!:-) I considere him the FINEST CT ever
@telucis1 because the voice of countertenor or the name i like more "male soprano" is made by singing in falceto..and i believe u know what is falceto..i dont say its bad..in fact to sing in falceto with such emotion and beuty like Deller or with such power and technicue like Jerousky requires many years of practice..
in my opinion true male sopranos were the castrati..and we all know that story..
@wiwq Deller hardly sings in falsetto, unlike Jaroussky does, most of it is modal voice. Jaroussky also has very little 'power' or technique to be a true countertenor. are you listening to the same music?
My 82 year old father is a harpsichordist who toured with Alfred in 'the early years' and it's so touching to see my father hear this divine music again... it's wonderful to have this on youtube - thanks so much
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Harakoa 1 week ago
This is silk for ears...
HoD3 1 week ago
Glorious music! And performance! Growing up I enjoyed a family's LP with Deller and Lute playing/singing a lot of English folk songs. Fantastic! Still think, whistle these as I walk.
cgculprit 4 weeks ago
Voice as an instrument.
Limastudent 1 month ago in playlist Counter Tenors
I was listening last week to a BBC Radio 4 programme on countertenors. It was fascinating. It mentioned Alfred Deller and the way his voice was different from the "normal" cathedral male alto voice of the time in being clearer with less vibrato. It's much better to have countertenors rather than female altos singing baroque operatic roles like Gluck's Orfeo because that was who they were originally written for.
Sunflowers159 2 months ago
It seems to me that Deller has the same melancholic voice as Esswood. Or Am I way off here? Deller and Esswood just transports me 300 years back in time.
achantus1 3 months ago
Thanks so much for posting this. Deller did so much to promote counter tenor (and English) music in the 20th century. Thanks to him we can hear so many wonderful counter tenors today. Truly a gift.
pujieming 5 months ago
When I die, I would love hear before this beautiful song surrounding me
etresanchez 6 months ago
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etresanchez 6 months ago
still the best..
Schwanengesang415 7 months ago
Deller was a ground breaker in this country. I played early wind instruments growing up, and he was a part of the NYC early music scene. Thank you for such a clean recording.
dfillingham 7 months ago
Superb
elisepoetry1603 7 months ago
fight fight fight!
mrman5800 8 months ago
Deller is unparalleled in this repertory.
paradiddleday 1 year ago 2
I like flame wars :D
TrashyPatty 1 year ago
the harpsichordist is in his zone!
shariotoflove 1 year ago
I heard Deller in his prime,... wonderful - but Jaroussky is simply incomparable. I never thought Deller could be surpassed.
hgrishaver 1 year ago
@hgrishaver Jaroussky has nothing on Deller, simply because hes English and pronounces the words better and his voice is just better than Jaroussky's falsetto. thats probably why you find it hard to compare the two, ones a counter tenor the other is a fake.
shariotoflove 1 year ago
@shariotoflove i attended a concert in early december of the two countertenors which I have admired the most since I discovered the countertenor voice: Philippe Jaroussky and Andreas Scholl (my absolute number 1 favourite of all time) at the Beaux-Arts in Brussels. Now, in Scholl's defence, he was sick, so his voice was only a shadow of the dynamic and beauty that it can usually give, but Jaroussky... My god, Jaroussky was absolutely stunning! His technique was perfect!
Guichotpresident 1 year ago
@Guichotpresident well if youre into fallsettos singing countertenor pieces, that renders two things a) you probably dont know much about the true countertenor voice and b) its your 'thing', and youre entitled to that. i would actually put Scholl on a much higher position in terms of ability and being the pure countertenor. if people like you need someone like Jaroussy to change countertenor, or popularise it in your own words, in order to like it then you cant really be a true baroque lover.
shariotoflove 1 year ago
@shariotoflove he slid through every sentence with an ease I thought didn't exist! Vocally, Andreas Scholl was nowhere near him. Though, of course, Scholl's theatrical performances and the emotion that he can infuse his voic with surpass Jaroussky, but I wonder if in that too, Jaroussky will surpass Scholl in time? I think Jaroussky is brilliant, his popularization of baroqie is the best thing that could ever happen and not liking him is musical snobbery.
Guichotpresident 1 year ago
@Guichotpresident not liking him is an opinion which snobs like you need to get your head around. 'popularisation' sometimes changes what baroque music is in its purest form and actually, in the long term, makes us forget how Baroque music ought to be performed. i would hate it if someone was out there to change something which is, in nature, unique and ought to be preserved. the fact that Jaroussky doesnt go near a harpsichord shows that he has little love for baroque itself.
shariotoflove 1 year ago
@Guichotpresident the reason why Jaroussy 'slid through,' or in real terms, rushed through, was probably due to little knowledge and command of English language, and far less so of 17th Century English diction, which is required to make this piece work. Purcell was English, I am English, the Music is English, the piece is written in English, therefore only Alfred Deller could do justice to the piece, thats not to say imitators like Jaroussky cant have a go, but they will remain in the shadows.
shariotoflove 1 year ago
@shariotoflove wow, thank you for those demeaning, insulting and very educating comments, that were, if I'm not much mistaken, totally uncalled for. Let's go through this together, shall we? First of all, could you enlighten me as to the difference between falsettists and countertenors?
Guichotpresident 1 year ago
@Guichotpresident first of all, i dont see how youre insulted when you called me the snob! besides, this is the problem im having with people calling falsettists the same as countertenors. i would agree that a countertenor would need to use falsetto for the higher end of the range, however countertenors like Deller and somewhat Scholl use a their diaphragm for the everything else. Jarrousky abuses the falsetto almost throught the ranges, which is part and parcel of modern 'pop' baroque.
shariotoflove 1 year ago
@shariotoflove
you guys are the most colorful faggits ever :D
jelloman17 9 months ago
@jelloman17 im glad you enjoyed it :)
shariotoflove 7 months ago
@shariotoflove You talk about educating people, but your comments evidence a lack of understanding of countertenor technique. There is a great deal of misinformation on the topic, so it's understandable. The diaphragm is one of the muscles of inhalation; it has nothing to do with tone production.
allanjmcpherson 8 months ago
@allanjmcpherson Its not a matter of misinformation at all, but for your information i probably know more about early music than you will ever dream of. Besides who is talking about the diaphragm, im not disagreeing with you. I'm talking about Deller having the better tone as he uses his modal voice, and people like Jaroussky relying on falsetto making them male sopranos at best...its a matter of opinion. Please read the conversation before joining in maybe.
shariotoflove 7 months ago
@shariotoflove First of all, I was talking about countertenor technique, which is different from early music, so let's get that clear from the outset. Second of all, don't assume to know what I do or do not know about early music. Restrict your comments to the contents of mine, as I have yours. Finally, if you want to convince people, rambling, run-on sentences are not the way to do it.
allanjmcpherson 7 months ago
@allanjmcpherson im not here to convince you, you can live in ignorance all you like...its no skin off my nose. second of all, i do believe countertenor is what is used in early music with regards to male voice, which was popular at the time and relevant to this piece of music. the later additions of contralto and mezzo-soprano were the female equivalents which came in galant/classical music. you really dont know what youre talking about im afraid.
shariotoflove 6 months ago
@shariotoflove Maybe I missed something, but I'm not sure why you're talking about sopranos and mezzos. As far as I can tell this has nothing to do with anything in this discussion so far.
allanjmcpherson 6 months ago
@allanjmcpherson you said; "First of all, I was talking about countertenor technique, which is different from early music, so let's get that clear from the outset." I mere pointed out to you that in fact countertenor is the correct term for early music, contrary to your belief. i then pointed out more modern variants of the countertenor which i though you may have confused yourself with.
shariotoflove 6 months ago
@shariotoflove Again, we are not discussing early music, but vocal technique, and if you look at vocal pedagogy throughout the ages, the term falsetto is used in widely divergent and often contradictory ways. If you are going to use it, it is wise to define exactly what you mean by it. I maintain, based upon experience and study, that Jaroussky and Deller are extremely different singers using their vocal folds in basically the same way, even though their techniques vary greatly.
allanjmcpherson 6 months ago
@allanjmcpherson we? whos we? i dont know about you but im discussing early music and countertenor technique, and the nationality of the singer. i dont care much for falsetto, and its divergent ways as you suggest, as ive stated that Jaroussky uses it too much. therefore, as ive said the whole fucking time, their techniques differ. i dont believe a falsetto would use their diaphragm as much as a proper countertenor like Deller. also the use of the abdomen is different between the two singers.
shariotoflove 6 months ago
@shariotoflove We meaning you and me. The issue of how vocal tone is physically produced is one of technique. The choice of which to use is historically based, but this has no effect on whether the physical technique is fundamentally the same. You have yet to clearly define what you mean by falsetto as distinct from what Deller did. If you can explain what you mean and show that it is in fact fundamentally different, you will have proven your point. As it is, you have not.
allanjmcpherson 6 months ago
First you talked about the diaphragm and then the abdomen. They are different. The diaphragm is a muscle at the base of the ribcage that contracts to increase the ribcage volume and cause air to enter the lungs. It is passive on exhalation, which is its relaxation phase. As such it can not in any way affect tone. The abdomen includes the abdominal muscles, which it seems may be what you have meant when you referred to the diaphragm. If so, you may have a valid point.
allanjmcpherson 6 months ago
@shariotoflove Oh, and incidentally, if you want to engage in intelligent debate, as you claim, please have the decency to take the effort to write with correct grammar, spelling, and punctuation. This has nothing to do with your arguments; it's merely academic courtesy.
allanjmcpherson 6 months ago
@allanjmcpherson spelling and grammar are not signs of intelligence, anybody can be trained to spell, rather its the content and logic used. besides, bringing up grammar and punctuation in an informal debate, especially a YouTube one, are signs of weakness in the argument. in other words, youre not worth the time of day for my good grammar and punctuation. may i also add, its laughable at best for a yank to correct an englishman on his english.
shariotoflove 6 months ago
@shariotoflove Be that as it may, it is through language that content and logic are conveyed. In addition, it is merely a sign of respect for others engaged in the debate. I never said it was a sign of intelligence to use correct spelling, grammar, punctuation, and capitalization. In fact, I quite clearly said that it is a courtesy. Furthermore, I am not a Yank, but a Canadian, and to say that I can't correct your English because of where you were born is frankly absurd.
allanjmcpherson 6 months ago
@allanjmcpherson respect is earned, never taken for granted and i have no desire to convince you of my way of thinking - i couldnt give a monkey's toss! you said "if you want to engage in INTELLIGENT debate" one must use correct grammar, so why are you saying you never said it was a sign of intelligence? you then stated it was also a courtesy. youre still not English, and therefore most often than not speak a different and more alien version of English; one of which most British wont recognise.
shariotoflove 6 months ago
@shariotoflove I believe you will find that in academic discourse, as in society in general, a certain level of respect is assumed from the beginning. Respect may then be earned or lost, but the default starting point is not the disdain you have shown for others in this forum.
allanjmcpherson 6 months ago
I asked that you write well, because showing that simple courtesy facilitates a coherent debate and shows your willingness to engage on an intellectual level. Poor spelling, grammar, punctuation and capitalization come across as ranting, whether you intend them to or not. That I am not English is irrelevant. Standard English usage is standard, no matter who is using it. You're still the one making (seemingly) raving posts with poor English usage, not I.
allanjmcpherson 6 months ago
@allanjmcpherson Excellent discourse. I've enjoyed reading your response and totally agreee.
Chesterbarnes1 6 months ago
@Chesterbarnes1 Agreed.
TheMeThomas 6 months ago
@TheMeThomas same goes for you.
shariotoflove 4 months ago
@Chesterbarnes1 you have very little taste.
shariotoflove 4 months ago
@allanjmcpherson i dont need to speak in great English, ive realised that you take care on this especially since you dont have much else to stand on, i think that's mightily fortunate for you. an English person will have better knowledge of their language than an American would, just look at the bad habits and complete debauchery that the yanks undertake on my language. as ive said, correcting one's grammar is a sign of a wavering argument. clutching at straws must chafe the hands, no?
shariotoflove 4 months ago
Incidentally, as far as I can tell you haven't presented any explanations or evidence for your claims, merely assertions and insults. I'm not sure what your academic experience is, but I have never met any serious academics who debated in this manner.
allanjmcpherson 6 months ago
@allanjmcpherson nor have i from you, just pure conjecture. ive stated my opinions and justified them as much as i need to. if you think diaphragm has no impact on the sound of voice, then ill just let you wander in the wilderness. enjoy the music.
shariotoflove 4 months ago
@shariotoflove I might add as well, that my original comments still stand. I did read the conversation before joining in, and your latest comment does not disabuse me of my conviction that you are misinformed about countertenor technique. As a countertenor myself, and having done considerable reading and experimentation regarding singing technique, I can tell you based on what I've learned, including what Deller himself said of his voice, that Jaroussky and Deller sing in basically the same way.
allanjmcpherson 7 months ago
@allanjmcpherson i dont believe, from what im hearing that they both rely on exactly the same technique. its obvious that Jaroussky relies more on falsetto than Deller...its what i hear. thats not to say that Jaroussky never uses his original modal voice, you just dont get to here it especially when performing this piece which is the topic for debate. youve failed to convince me on where im wrong and if anything for a countertenor you do seem to be slightly confused.
shariotoflove 6 months ago
@shariotoflove Well, what do you mean by falsetto? It's a term that means many things to many people, so define what you mean. Incidentally, I'm relying on personal experience as a countertenor, coupled with considerable research into the issue, rather than simply "what I hear". The basic vibratory function of the folds is the same. It is in resonance and related concepts that the tonal difference resides, as I stated previously.
allanjmcpherson 6 months ago
@allanjmcpherson the reason why it means many things to many people is retards like you and modern-day baroque listeners are overcomplicating baroque terms and the music itself. there is only one meaning, that's it. youve come on here claiming to have studied and are a countertenor, which cant be verified, but all i keep hearing is regurgitated sentences from textbooks. why are you talking about the vibratory function and resonance? although, Jarrousky abuses the former i dont see the relevance.
shariotoflove 6 months ago
@shariotoflove You weaken your position by throwing the word "retards" around like that. My point was that the diaphragm has nothing to do with the difference in tone between Deller and Jaroussky. Resonance and tonal concept do, but the diaphragm does not. If I do sound like I am "regurgitating sentences from textbooks" it is because part of my study has included reading the works of great voice pedagogues and scientists. I am simply drawing upon existing knowledge about singing.
allanjmcpherson 6 months ago
@allanjmcpherson not really, retard is perfectly good English and apt. of course if you put more pressure through your diaphragm it helps for a sonorous tone, you just dont want to accept that, i dont care about resonance and tonal concept. copy and pasting terms may make you look smart, however it does show cracks in other parts of you knowledge - especially regarding the diaphragm. lets say that diaphragm doesnt affect tone, but Deller still uses it to great effect as opposed to Jaroussky.
shariotoflove 6 months ago
@shariotoflove It is perfectly good English, but it is not apt. Retardation is a statistically significant delay in mental age relative to one's peer group. To simply throw the word at people with whom you disagree is poor form in both its lack of civility towards your opponents and its insinuation of worthlessness of those who are mentally retarded.
allanjmcpherson 6 months ago
@allanjmcpherson i've already said what i've wanted to say regarding the crux of the debate. im now just insulting you, why, because its fun! those who are mentally retarded cant help it, but why are you trying to model yourself on them?
shariotoflove 4 months ago
So far, you've insulted and belittled every person who has tried to engage in debate with you. For that reason, I ask that you not reply unless you intend to maintain civility. As for my part, if at any point I have offended you, I apologize, as this was never my intent.
allanjmcpherson 6 months ago
@allanjmcpherson you havent offended me at all, it seems youre more offended than anyone. just man up and debate. im not going to kiss your arse and, as i said before, assertiveness is a part of civility.
shariotoflove 6 months ago
@shariotoflove Debate and insults are not the same. Assertiveness is fine. You have displayed hostility, which is not. I don't expect you to "kiss my arse" but I do expect basic decorum.
allanjmcpherson 6 months ago
@allanjmcpherson its not fine, but who's going to stop me? who's going to disqualify me? you seem to think that this is some sort of Oxford University debate...well, it isnt! youre now excused to go fuck yourself and your flagrant attempt at early music theory.
shariotoflove 4 months ago
@shariotoflove now that's pathetic...
Guichotpresident 1 month ago
@Guichotpresident not really seeing as this is Youtube. you have to earn respect.
shariotoflove 1 month ago
@shariotoflove You must be extremely stupid if you really think that, I'm sorry. "Earn respect"! What are you, in a Western? But, yes, you are a child of Youtube: excited, disrespectful, and what my generation would call a troll or a hater.
Guichotpresident 1 month ago
@shariotoflove I do agree that Deller is a superior singer (at least when it comes to the music of Purcell). My original point was that your arguments should be based in fact, especially if you are going to speak of educating people. My intent was not to demean you. I simply wanted to help correct some common misconceptions about singing and the countertenor voice, such as the role of the diaphragm. There really isn't room to get into the complexities of "falsetto" in this venue, unfortunately.
allanjmcpherson 6 months ago
@allanjmcpherson i also said Deller is better in English baroque. my points were initially based on my opinion, but i feel ive used facts enough to counteract your assertions. i sincerely think the source of misconceptions are not from purists like me, but rather from modern-day baroque listener like yourself who 'innovate' something that is not in the need of it. complexities in falsetto is irrelevant to Deller's superiority in the countertenor voice. falsetto just exists in jarrousky's more.
shariotoflove 6 months ago
@shariotoflove I may not have made it clear that I agree that Jaroussky does not have a tone typical of Baroque singing. My objections were to substantiating this with ill-defined and physiologically inexact descriptions using physiological terms.
allanjmcpherson 6 months ago
@allanjmcpherson its not ill-defined or inexact, and its the first ive heard that diaphragm has no impact on tone. so im not going to worry myself, im just have some good sport.
shariotoflove 6 months ago
@shariotoflove The differences in their voices are the result of differences in tonal concept, resonance, physiognomy, etc. The basic phonatory mode, however, is the same. I honestly don't particularly care for either of their voices. I much prefer Daniel Taylor, Andreas Scholl, or Christophe Dumaux. I'm merely pointing out that they are all basically doing the same thing. If you find it so disdainful that someone else might know something you don't, please don't bother to reply.
allanjmcpherson 7 months ago
@allanjmcpherson ok now this is very hypocritical of you. you get annoyed when someone speaks down to you but you then do the same thing right back. pray tell, am i speaking to an adult?! nevertheless i do believe youre just throwing soundbites at me from a textbook which you probably dont know much about. the physiognomy has very little to do with the pitch and the English diction which Deller uses, and the tonal concept of both players is consistent throughout most of their performances.
shariotoflove 6 months ago
@shariotoflove I'm not sure how being willing to admit mistakes is talking down to you. Perhaps my choice of words didn't convey the tone I intended.
allanjmcpherson 6 months ago
@allanjmcpherson I also am willing to admit my mistakes. It would appear that I replied to the wrong post initially. My original comments were intended for Guichotpresident. My latest comments stand.
allanjmcpherson 7 months ago
@allanjmcpherson for all its worth, they stand for very little in my eyes.
shariotoflove 6 months ago
@allanjmcpherson i had to skim the comments to find where i spoke of diaphragms as you couldnt do it yourself. regardless, i would still stand by my comment that singers using the diaphragm, like Deller, as opposed to relying more on the throat, Jaroussky, are original hence better countertenors.
shariotoflove 6 months ago
@shariotoflove "however countertenors like Deller and somewhat Scholl use a their diaphragm for the everything else. Jarrousky abuses the falsetto almost throught the ranges, which is part and parcel of modern 'pop' baroque." As I already commented, the diaphragm's only function is to contract in order to cause inhalation. It can not affect tone. This isn't just my belief. You will find it stated clearly in any number of scientifically written books on vocal technique.
allanjmcpherson 6 months ago
@allanjmcpherson you do realise that the two sentences youve quoted are exclusive to one another. my point about Deller using his diaphragm more than Jarrousky still stands, as does the fact that Deller's tone is his natural tone of voice. why have you confused the two statements? in other words, i said Jarrousky uses less diaphragm as well as using a falsetto...thus making my statement still valid. you need to calm down before typing.
shariotoflove 6 months ago
@shariotoflove Be that as it may, the diaphragm remains an involuntary muscle. I don't dispute that there is a very real difference between the singing of Deller and Jarrousky. I am merely pointing out that that difference is not attributable to the diaphragm per se, as they both are using the diaphragm by necessity. In order to inhale, one must use the diaphragm. Upon exhalation, the diaphragm is passive.
allanjmcpherson 6 months ago
@shariotoflove Actually, it would appear I was right in the first place. This is where you talked about the diaphragm. Ignore my previous comment. My initial comments all stand. If you wish to have a serious, respectful conversation, please reply. If not, please don't.
allanjmcpherson 7 months ago
@allanjmcpherson no sorry you havent pointed out where i spoke about the diaphragm. also there are a host of other reasons why Deller is the master of this repertory and that is his immaculate English diction. i honestly dont know how more serious one can be with a stranger over the internet, but i have pretty much pointed out why i think Deller is superior to Jarrousky, which was the initial topic of this debate before you joined, in this repertoire.
shariotoflove 6 months ago
@shariotoflove I don't need anyone to popularize anything but baroque is so heart-wrenchingly beautiful that it deserves to be introduced to the highest amount of people, in my opinion, but maybe you don't because you think it should only be introduced to a select few, in which case you are a disgusting snob. I don't like Alfred Deller's voice because it's not beautiful, because it doesn't have the firmness, the strength or the flexibility that modern countertenors do, not because I'm a snob.
Guichotpresident 1 year ago
@Guichotpresident see, you presume things i said, wrongly, and attribute them as ad hominems. i never said that barqoue should be only for a select few, but rather it should not be changed beyond recognition just attarct more people. i say keep it traditional, and whoever likes it or doesnt like it can make their choice. Deller's voice has tremendous strength and firmness, and he certainly isnt a 'modern' countertenor, simply because the pieces are not modern pieces. is that too hard to grasp?
shariotoflove 1 year ago
@shariotoflove furthermore, I just think that the way that you have to be so aggressive just goes to show that there's no point in arguing with you because it won't be civilized or respectful. I'd just like to say that I hate all that you represent in youtube, the snobs, the trolls and all the people who hide behind anonymity and rely on it so that they can just be disrespectful to anyone they like.
Guichotpresident 1 year ago
@Guichotpresident im sorry if me educating you has caused you offence, but i only represent myself and will voice my opinion where ever i feel, as you and many others do here on YouTube. im not here to be your friend but, if need be, i will discuss my opinions and debate. i guess not taking crap and being assertive is somehow uncivilised where you come from, but from my experience it is necessary in any forum of debate. to civil, you could start by not calling people names like snob.
shariotoflove 1 year ago
@shariotoflove modern or traditional,we must appreciate it,for all i know music s a gift ,im not an artist but i like the piece.it s distinct but still it s linked to the modern peices.i consider it rare.
72Redbike 11 months ago
@72Redbike i cant see the link to modern pieces myself, other than the modern pieces being linked to it. but i do agree that its very rare which is why im so defensive over it and love it so much :p
shariotoflove 9 months ago
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72Redbike 11 months ago
@shariotoflove I'm sorry if i've offended you, no doubt you are much wiser than me as I am only 16 and no doubt you know much more about baroque and countertenors than I do, I just think that you should learn (and it's never too late to learn) to be civilized in your arguments and be respectful. Good day.
Guichotpresident 1 year ago 6
@Guichotpresident look, you dig what you dig! but assertiveness is civil, im afraid.
shariotoflove 1 year ago
music for a while
fallflies 1 year ago
SUBLIME.This was the first song played on Radio 3.Still the best.
Arcadiangrove 1 year ago
@Arcadiangrove wow, i never knew that! i heard it for the first time on "pick of the week" on radio 4 about 30 years ago :)
ivanovitch57 1 year ago
id say this is the best rendition of the song on YouTube!
shariotoflove 1 year ago
I love Alfred Deller's singing; he is surely one of the greatest countertenors ever, a legendary artist. Andreas Scholl and Philippe Jarousky are also very good and the latter's performance is on youtube. However, the most moving performance of this song I ever heard, or ever hope to hear, is sung by the late contralto, Maureen Forrester. Thanks for sharing this!
meltzerboy 1 year ago
@meltzerboy That should read "Jaroussky." Sorry for the typo.
meltzerboy 1 year ago
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Deller has one of the most remarkable countertenor voices I have ever heard. Take this unique voice and combine it with his sensitive musicianship, and we have this truly incredible performance! Thanks for sharing, meltzerboy, and thank you, essenciademusica, for posting. :)
HM0880 1 year ago
@HM0880 Thanks for sharing too:-). Though Alfred Deller together with Russel Oberline are not my favourite CTs with a rather unpleasant timbres and vibrato for me but I agree that they are great. I just think that now CT technique is more advanced which makes CT singing more beautiful, and the technique in which the Dellers (his son as well) sang and even one of my favourites Bowman is already kinda archaic. I prefer Asawa's and Scholl's version but this one is good too! He is not a FAKE as PJ!
serenaluce 1 year ago
@meltzerboy I think Deller cultivated a special sound, which reveals such are warm and gentle sound, which is really unrivaled. I could listen to him for hours!
Geirrendour 1 year ago
@meltzerboy Well, I agree about Deller's version though he isn't "my" voice. I prefer Scholl's and Asawa's beautiful and emotional versions! But I'll never agree with you about that promoted nonentity Philippe Jaroussky! Sorry. You shouldn't put him in the same category as true CTs like those mentioned here. He is just a FALSETTIST! He has no classical training and no DEPTH of singing! He only makes MUSICAL PARODIES on baroque in POP STYLE! But he and his promoters present it as TRUE STUFF!
serenaluce 1 year ago
@meltzerboy PJ is just a POP SINGER, an imitator of baroque stuff not bringing anything personal, individual into his singing. He shares no soul, no emotions, just makes touching faces pretending that he has somewhat emotions. But please you with your fine taste in music concerning great tenors listen more closely to his sweet and empty voice just producing isolated sounds, "smooth" surface", monotonously on ONE NOTE! It's NOT baroque! He belongs together with Vitas, Brightman, Bocelli. It's POP
serenaluce 1 year ago
@serenaluce I have no vested interested in defending Jaroussky's singing. To tell the truth, I haven't heard enough of these countertenors to express much of an opinion. The few selections I have heard performed by Jaroussky and Scholl I liked insofar as I can appreciate this kind of voice, for the sound of the countertenor is not exactly my cup of tea. As I stated before, I much prefer Maureen Forrester's rendition of the piece and wish someone would post that version. TY for the Spanos song!
meltzerboy 1 year ago
@meltzerboy Actually CT singing is very beautiful and great if it's sung right, if it's REAL STUFF and not just MUSICAL PARODIES to please people with sugary sounds sung in a falsetto technique. What PJ does it's just PROFANATION of baroque, opera, not to use a stronger word also beginning with "pro...":-) This hype about him is ARTIFICIALLY created to make money just like McDonald's claims that its food is REAL and HEALTHY. And many people believe it. And PROMOTION makes PJ "great" and "TRUE"!
serenaluce 1 year ago
@meltzerboy It's OK that now CT voice is not your cup of tea:-). But if you are open-minded and have no prejudice against this type of voice you can't like it more later, but perhaps you just haven't found "your" CTs yet. Actually, Scholl can be stunning in some pieces of Sacred music and songs like this one, but he is not one of my favourites when it comes to opera. You mean Spanos's singing Satie on my channel? There are so many songs he sings beautifully!:-) I considere him the FINEST CT ever
serenaluce 1 year ago
I'm doing this for my Grade 7 Singing......It's beautiful but scares the hell outta me! : /
DifferentGirl3 1 year ago
for a while et pour l'eternité !
tifiu62 1 year ago
100000 views for this marvelous performance, glad there are still people with left!
VinceV 1 year ago
he was my dad .. jk
warlockboyburns 1 year ago
divine
ilpremio2008 1 year ago
Truly one of the most beatiful, natural counter tenor voices ever and a really sensitive musician. Just perfect!
CAROLIVERDI 1 year ago 14
@CAROLIVERDI there is no natural countertenors...
wiwq 6 months ago
What do you mean there are no "natural" countertenors? They're all "natural".
telucis1 5 months ago in playlist Henry Purcell
@telucis1 because the voice of countertenor or the name i like more "male soprano" is made by singing in falceto..and i believe u know what is falceto..i dont say its bad..in fact to sing in falceto with such emotion and beuty like Deller or with such power and technicue like Jerousky requires many years of practice..
in my opinion true male sopranos were the castrati..and we all know that story..
wiwq 5 months ago
@wiwq Deller hardly sings in falsetto, unlike Jaroussky does, most of it is modal voice. Jaroussky also has very little 'power' or technique to be a true countertenor. are you listening to the same music?
shariotoflove 4 months ago
@wiwq Do you mean castrati? Alfred Deller had children. I suggest that you engage brain before putting mouth in gear!
ivanovitch57 4 months ago
Oh yes...
locomotifx 1 year ago
My 82 year old father is a harpsichordist who toured with Alfred in 'the early years' and it's so touching to see my father hear this divine music again... it's wonderful to have this on youtube - thanks so much
Wingmother 1 year ago 28
@Wingmother - How beautiful to read this. Thank you for comparting your impressions and feelings.
altemusik 1 year ago
The best.
anubisvic 1 year ago
It's a good thing that this guy doesn't have to be castrated to sing like this.
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Bougeuroooooo
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There is no one like him...
(and this song's beauty is unbelievable!)
NikPPD 1 year ago
Terrific example of the unique purity of the countertenor timbre. <3
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Oct2Poof,
yeah, beaugarou to you too
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Oct2Poof 1 year ago
the painting is beautiful too.may i know who is the painter?
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