@Filbertiano Martti Ahtisaari is a fucking criminal! The Kosovo resolution is a tragedy to mankind. Its just sad that everybody gets a nobel price nowadays. Do you know how much harm he did in this country? You cannot fucking lie to the people in order so solve a conflict "AS SOON AS POSSIBLE" The Kosovo became a ticking time bomb and it will get off soon, this will end bad downthere! Not because of the Serbian gov...because of Serbian (ex french legion fighters) who worked for Milosevic
I remember when he was the president of the Republic of Finland. He was criticized due to his weight. I was a teenager then, but I was like "WTF?? what does his weight or looks have to do with him being a president??" Also, his son was complained about, that he did civil service and not military (we have conscription in Finland). Nobody has complained that the current president or her daughter didn't do military service!!!!1!!111!!111! Tarja H is nice, but not Miss Universe. *rolling her eyes*
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And by the way, fuck you Ahtisaari you scumbag, you had no idea what you where doing in Kosovo. Its just fucking funny who gets the Nobel prize nowadays! Especially difficult cicumstances in Kosovo????? Fuck you people!
the holy curse of Tzar Lazar will find way to Finland, i am scared for all servant of USA. Never go to war with a country whose national holiday celebrates a defeat suffered in 1389. (KOSOVOS BATTLE AND KOSOVO CURSE) These are people ready to take some punishment. Serbs payed for Kosovo in blood, and no bode can take KOSOVO from SERBS. was, is, will be SERBIAN. Martti Ahtisaari is a servant of USA!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND HE IS NAZI AS WHOLE USA GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!!
and you can not teach me what are serbs, i know that serbs are Slavs, but if Albanians are Ilirians, then Serbs are Kelts. Albanians SQIPTARS ARBANASI!!! i recommended you to spend one day with them, and after that i want to hear your comment
Nais -or on Kelt's its a Fairy town! Then Romans came and named Naisus. Albanian language have nothing same as Ilirian language. COLOR OF THEIR SKIN IS BLACK like Arabians. In my country we call them siptars or arbanasi, not Ilirians. Arbanasi was a tribe who lived on Kavkas. They come with mongols, they attack roman empire, they latter attack with one Byzantine rebel Byzantine in Civil war. They lost war, and they ask Might Tzar Dusan the Grates to stay in are of now know Tirana
hahah, SAINT CONSTANTINE was born in Nis, and if Albanians who look like Arabians are Ilirian, then Serbs are ancient Kelts ,who lived before Ilirian in Balkan, not Slavs. Its very funny that anyone in Europe in 21. century thinks that Albanians are Ilirians. Albanians lives in tribes to 1945. then they start with first state. Another proof that Albanians are not Ilirian. If Albanians are Ilirian, Serbs are Kelts
you fucking idiot, what are Bosnians? who are that people. Albanians made a ethnic cleaning in SERBIA on SERBIAN KOSOVO AND METOHIJA!!!!!!! NATO bombarded hospitals, bombarded innocent children!!!! killed so many innocent people!!!!! FUCK NATO, EU AND USA!!! Ahtisari plan is only plan that is not excepted in UN!!! How many Serbs was murdered after bombing of Serbia? FUCK YOU IDIOT WITHOUT INFORMATIONS!!!
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Martti Ahtisaari, the son of SS division volunteer, real name Adolfsen, helps in creating the nazi ghetto-like region in the heart of europe, well into the 21st century
Quite right, the modern DEPENDENT NATO COLONY of Kosovo is actually worse than during the era of Nazi occupation, when German and Italian troops actually stopped Albanians from burning many of the Serb churches and looting the graveyards.
Today, NATO helps them do all of that as well as expell Serbs and non-Albanians from the area.
Serbia must be forced to recognize Kosovo, Ahtisaari
12.02.2009
EU must be united in its demands that Serbia must first recognize Kosovo as an independent country if it is to be granted membership, suggest Martti Ahtisaari, Wolfgang Ischinger and Albert Rohan.
Only a united position of the European Union, combined with the statement that Serbias membership in the European Union is impossible until this problem is solved in its entirety..."
Jolie is not a "politician traditional" because she does not win the Nobel Prize (AN EUROPEAN MONOPOLY and anti-WOMAN PRIZE)...she is woman who is an example in the World-she spent more than 3 millions dollars to help Africa...There are many fans from Finland here. Greetings to my critics
AND when I say this I do not mean that Jolie hasn't done well and saved lives. But you cannot compare 3 million dollars to the amount of effort Ahtisaari has done over the last THIRTY years. And I'm 90% sure he has gathered multiple times more money to the countries he has saved from chaos and saves multiple times more lives. As said. Not meaning to offend.
Lol. I bet you are Russian :#. The only country that doesn't approve this. Because Martti helped Kosovos independece. Russia didn't want Kosovo to get free. Ahtisaari didn't actually drive the independece. But autonomity for Kosovo in Serbia. becuase of Russia it got independent actually.
You have to wonder what combination of brainwashing and illiteracy prevails in certain parts of Europe such that individuals can be persuaded to accept the argument that Kosovo is "independent", has a society based on the rule of law, has a government instead of a cabal of terrorists and drug lords, resembles in any shape or form a normal country anywhere in Europe and so on and on.
Well. You have to wonder why the Russians(idk if you're one) think that Serbia deserves to hold a society that thinks it is independent. Take a look at some history and think what Milosevic tried to do. HE TRIED TOTAL GENOCIDE. He tried to kill EVERY ONE who opposed him. ALL but the Serbians. That gives little right if you ask me.
Yes, it's exactly the kind of primitive propaganda that we can expect to see regurgitated time and time again, confirming that many people in Europe are willing to swallow anti-Serb propaganda whole or rather - WHOLE.
There is a difference between Europe and Russia. Kreml owns 99% of the Russian media and sadly there is a lot of sencorship and "propaganda". The public sees what Kreml wants them to. Taking the Georgia war. "Georgians raped, killed, genocided, destroyed ext, Russians helped save lives, did peace keeping work, only minimal casualties." Europe isn't a unified area. We have a lot of stupid fueds. We trust each other as sources. But do not say what someone tells us to.
And if you are Serbian, and in this case a nationalist one, it is sort of understandable to see you on that side. Nationalists in most of the cases see the things the way they want to, not by the way they are. And as said. Europeans check their sources from many independent places. The news do not go by the "EU Gestapo/Kreml". Russia is still working on it's way to a "western" democracy. It's far from it but coming by. Putin has done alot of good.
Yeah...keep digging. I see that a lot of Finns are rushing to support Ahtisaari exactly because of their nationalist sentiments. Smells like hypocrisy? Worse, actually.
Moreover, that accusation you are using against nationalists goes much worse against the occupiers of the former Yugoslavia which have allowed all manner of crimes and ethnic cleansing to be committed right under their noses - all in the name of "peace" with the acquiescence of their intellectual society/propaganda organs.
Because I'm a Finn I'm proud of a Peace Nobel coming to Finland for the first time ever, but even if the winner was Iraqi, Chinese, Nepali or from any country in the world, my opinion would be the same --> the award was deserved and Kosovo deserves to be free. And the last time I "checked" Kosovo was doing very well in the terms of a just founded nation. Ofcourse there is propably some sort of chaos there atm. As they say: Rome wasn't built in a day.
Kosovo deserves to be "free" for Albanians to do their drug-running and church burning. Yes, I'm fully aware that supporters for Ahtisaari's war mongering also support such activities.
I totally disagree with you.There are several award winners from Europe (Scandinavia). Third World does not exist. This zone has many democratic leaders.
Ja jos ihan totta puhutaan niin Suomi EI kuulu skandinaviaan, mutta ulkomailla Suomi usein luetaan skandinaviaan kuuluviin maihin. Suomi kuuluu Fennoskandiaan ja Pohjoismaihin kylläkin...
Perhaps so, but the Nobel Peace Prize puts focus on those that are NOT as known as e.g. Jolie, Geldof or anyone else struggling for peace. Those that are already known have often more means to do so with respect to publicity. I believe Ahtisaari deserves this prize, as he has actually contributed in many of the reknowned conflicts around the world as a mediator between parties that are often extremely opposed to one another. And many times he has succeeded.
With all due respect, dealing with political matters is often much more strenuous than simply putting focus on the humanitarian aspects of a problem, as I think many celebrities nowadays use their status to do. I'm not saying that is wrong, but Ahtisaari's one of those people dealing with the political aspects of it and actually negotiating between the opposing parties at a higher - and often more difficult - level. I think the Nobel Peace Committee made a very good choice this year.
Yawn, a long-winded spin describing Maarti's delivery of threats on behalf of NATO as something more "advanced", even "noble", than raising funds for drinking water in 3rd world villages is the height of shameless delusion.
I'm not saying that it is more advanced or noble, I'm just saying it's "OFTEN much more strenuous" and "OFTEN more difficult". Notice the adverb use here. Mind you, raising funds for drinking water can be just as challenging as this, but if you read my replys a little more closely, you'd notice I'm talking about politics and a person who hasn't received the recognition through the media as many Hollywood celebrities have.
I don't think it was very strenuous for him at all. In fact, Mr. Ahtisaari seems to enjoy playing out some sort of dictatorial fantasies as a NATO/Soros anti-Serb anti-Russian envoy. He's made this clear time and time again in his various articles for NATO-propaganda organs.
What you're discussing here is nothing short of irrelevant considering the issue I'm discussing.
Ok, then give me some hard evidence from a credible source about his so-called "dictatorial fantasies" and the articles that clearly point out to this issue. Until then I'll consider this as a disrespectful spew of claptrap.
No, chuckie, it is completely relevant to the topic at hand which is the awarding of a peace prize to a warmonger and envoy of the NATO war machine.
Your demand for evidence of his role as such only confirms that you are indeed woefully lacking even the most minimal awareness of the individual's background.
Tell me. In what ways has Ahtisaari caused wars or made any? Give us an example.
And our demands for evidence makes us ignorant?!
It's the SAME FUCKING THING if I told that Vladimir Putin is selling Nuclear weaponry to North Korea and Iran. "YOU ASK FOR EVIDENCE!?!? IT MEANS YOU ARE STUPID" ... Seariously. We can go hand to hand and write letters to representives from the countries in the world, and we'd propably get support for my and Charlies' ideal.
Such a pity for the world that Europe's elites are allowed to advance a perverted understanding of "peace" by promoting a blood thirsty war envoy and Goebbelsesque propagandist such as Ahtissari.
All that the Nobel Prize Committee has done is to confirm its' own role as part of that cabal, something which it has done so many times previous, so it's really not any surprise.
Fuck you and your carpet bombings! Not any country with weapons of modern warfare use carpet bombing anymore. Ahtisaari said himself "Some think im not a nice man because i tell them facts"
That "domestic conflict" in which NATO reacted can be called as threat of ethnic cleansing. IIRC it was in 1999 or something - I might be wrong about the year.
Hey, yes, I know that the Albanian population is NOT the original population of Kosova. I know that Serbs have been persecuted in that area for a long time. I also know that historically Kosovo has been a part of Serbia for a long, long time. But that doesn't justify the Serbian actions like the Račak incident in 15th January 1999... and I have to add that the Albanians are also NOT innocent. Not at all.
Hmmm, first the name is Kosovo and Metohija and not the Albanised corruption of Serbian words.
You claim to know something about the conflict, but by bringing up Račak you reveal again your true colours.
Albanian terrorists were killing civilians and committing ethnic cleansing in 1998, and Finland among other countries supported their genocide, as well as a completely one-sided interpretation of events.
And that's what the Albanian terrorists got, a mafia state controlled by them, complete with Potemkin-Village window dressing staffed largely by foreigners claiming to be in control of everything.
That's NOT what Ahtisaari meant as "controlled". He meant Kosovo's independence should be controlled by international institutions such like UN or EU. This plan failed, as we all know... and that's why Kosovo is a mafia state today.
And by the way, you should educate yourself about Ahtisaari's other projects too such as his role in Namibia's independence declaration and the negotiations between Indonesia and the Aceh rebel movement.
Tell me, there is some land in Finland. and that land is holy for you. Its a land where Finland was created (example). And some Albanians come there and said, its our land, it always was, and they want independence. What will be your answer? Serbia have a long army tradition, and Serbia will be back on KOSOVO AND METOHIJA very soon. CCCC VOJISLAV SESELJ LEGENDA
I tell you what... there was an area in Finland like that before the World War II. I'm speaking about the Karelian Isthmus and the southern part of present-day Republic of Karelia (part of the Russian Federation). Well, we lost that war and had to cede those areas to Soviet Union - empty. 400 000 Finns had to be evacuated elsewhere.
These Finns never started an armed conflict against Soviet Union. Instead, they understood that life has to go on, no matter what...
so what? Kosovo is holy land, remember that, HOLY, don't have a value, if all Serbs have to die because of Kosovo, all Serbs will die. Without Kosovo there is not Serbia and Serbs. Serbian history was made on Kosovo! Kosovo is much more then 15% of territory.
Well, the roots of modern Finnish culture were in those areas which we had to cede for Soviet Union. And those areas were 12% of Finnish territory. That area was the richest area of all Finland back then. My father's father was one of those who had to be evacuated.
Serbs are people with tradition, and you are scared, and because of that you give territory to Soviet Union. We will never give Kosovo to USA or to NATO, even to WHOLE WORLD. Serbs fight first with Byzantine, then with Ottoman empire 6 centuries, then with Austro-Hungary and Germany in 1 WW, then with Germany in 2 WW, before that in Balkan wars, then Bosnia 1991 against NATO and Croatia and Bosnia, than 1999 with NATO. So KOSOVO IS SERBIA!!!
Scared? Yeah, right... the only reasons we lost were that our army was too small compared to the Soviet one and from 1941 onwards we attacked to areas that have never been part of Finland - and we did that with Nazi Germany (that was a HUGE mistake).
Anyway, we maintained to keep our independence and never fell to Eastern Bloc. There were only three capitals in Europe that were not occupied by a foreign army: London, Moscow - and our capital Helsinki.
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It was very unfair. ANGELINA JOLIE or LAS DAMAS DE BLANCO from Cuba should have earned the Nobel Prize for Peace 2008.Las Damas de Blanco struggling for years against the dictatorship of Fidel Alejandro Castro Ruz/Raul Castro-one of the world's worst dictatorships (such as Myanmar/Burma).
And last year it went to Al Gore for helping with the Green House effect. I can't see what that has to do with peace. And Angelina Jolies thing is different. She does alot of charity work perhaps. But she hasn't done anything that would benefit peace. Like Ahtisaari. And there are dozens of De Blancos around the world. It matters. But it isn't enough. You have to get rid of the dictators.
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Milosevic took the papers and asked, What will happen if I do not sign? In answer, [Finland's former president] Ahtisaari made a gesture on the table, and then moved aside the flower centerpiece. Ahtisaari said, Belgrade will be like this table. We will immediately begin carpet-bombing Belgrade. Repeating the gesture of sweeping the table, [2008 Nobel peace lureate winner] Ahtisaari threatened, "This is what we will do to Belgrade....There will be half a million dead within a week."
And the criminal asked "what can you do? What if I don't stop killing and torturing? What can you do?" The judge said "then, if you don't stop, you will be punished"
It is extremely important to make clear to all bloodthirsty dictators that they are not above the law. They are not dealing with some "peace loving flower Lennons" but with a legitimate international justice system that has, just like any other police, the right to use force to protect the people.
("We will begin carpet-bombing Belgrade") thats BS! Ahtisaari was NOT a spokesman for NATO, he definately did not use the term "WE" when he told SM the realities, he just knew (like everyone else) what would happen if Milosevic should refuse to surrender..
idiot Mr. Martti Ahtisaari is the scum of the earth Bilderberg Member,they are TRAITORS To humans everywhere and cowards ,he deserves nothing you lick lick !!!he is a idiot go google The Bilderberg Group,people need to wake up
Fortunately the Nobel Committee knows Ahtisaari:s true meanings/contributions to world peace better than you. Your own governvent was part of the western pack who pushed Ahtisaari to make hasty desicions how to deal with Kosovo. Go whine somewhere else...
Onneks olkoon Martti Ahtisaari vihdoin sait sen minkä olet ansainnut! :) Kateelliset ryssät vinkuu rajan takaa ,et meille se ..voi että, mitä ne edes osaa tehä.. "ladoja "
he,s done a good job though... well done.. especially over in balkan after all em inocent plp got killed by serbs over in croat bosnia slovenia and kosovo... we need a peaceful nations happy indep kosovo greetings from united kingdom.....
Martti ahtisaari is just another sick globalist.
Oozy9Millimeetah 9 months ago
Nobel Mafia Spirit,Nobel Idiots!
zejebant 9 months ago
@Filbertiano Martti Ahtisaari is a fucking criminal! The Kosovo resolution is a tragedy to mankind. Its just sad that everybody gets a nobel price nowadays. Do you know how much harm he did in this country? You cannot fucking lie to the people in order so solve a conflict "AS SOON AS POSSIBLE" The Kosovo became a ticking time bomb and it will get off soon, this will end bad downthere! Not because of the Serbian gov...because of Serbian (ex french legion fighters) who worked for Milosevic
KimIsIll 1 year ago
Serbi-homppelit näyttää olevan aika kiukkusia jopa täällä youtubessa....
IGP84 1 year ago 9
@IGP84 Ihan syystäkin? Ahtisaari hyväksyi kansanmurhan.
LocoGroove 1 year ago
HYVÄ, MARA!
Firefox9895 1 year ago
What a difference 7 months makes doesn't it "Mikey84"?
Obama got a "Peace Prize", and after all, why not after Saamari Ahtisaari got his?
But wait! That's not all. Oh dear, not at all.
A "model Albanian" promoted by Finnish TV as a poster boy for the righteousness of Ahtisaari and NATO's Drang nach Osten kills 5 people in Espoo.
A macabre tale keeps getting better and better....as though Saamari wrote it himself....wait, he did.
watch?v=DpdsAXVaiWI
watch?v=J93IKO4Mwp8
seseljsrs 2 years ago
I remember when he was the president of the Republic of Finland. He was criticized due to his weight. I was a teenager then, but I was like "WTF?? what does his weight or looks have to do with him being a president??" Also, his son was complained about, that he did civil service and not military (we have conscription in Finland). Nobody has complained that the current president or her daughter didn't do military service!!!!1!!111!!111! Tarja H is nice, but not Miss Universe. *rolling her eyes*
LadySpitz 2 years ago 3
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And by the way, fuck you Ahtisaari you scumbag, you had no idea what you where doing in Kosovo. Its just fucking funny who gets the Nobel prize nowadays! Especially difficult cicumstances in Kosovo????? Fuck you people!
Vlasti79 2 years ago
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Ahtisaari is very fat and not so populari here in Finland
poo72 2 years ago
the holy curse of Tzar Lazar will find way to Finland, i am scared for all servant of USA. Never go to war with a country whose national holiday celebrates a defeat suffered in 1389. (KOSOVOS BATTLE AND KOSOVO CURSE) These are people ready to take some punishment. Serbs payed for Kosovo in blood, and no bode can take KOSOVO from SERBS. was, is, will be SERBIAN. Martti Ahtisaari is a servant of USA!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND HE IS NAZI AS WHOLE USA GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!!
WhosTheBiatchNowCCCC 2 years ago
and you can not teach me what are serbs, i know that serbs are Slavs, but if Albanians are Ilirians, then Serbs are Kelts. Albanians SQIPTARS ARBANASI!!! i recommended you to spend one day with them, and after that i want to hear your comment
WhosTheBiatchNowCCCC 2 years ago
and yea Constantine is not only Serbs saint. Its saint of all Christians, Milan edict 313!
WhosTheBiatchNowCCCC 2 years ago
Nais -or on Kelt's its a Fairy town! Then Romans came and named Naisus. Albanian language have nothing same as Ilirian language. COLOR OF THEIR SKIN IS BLACK like Arabians. In my country we call them siptars or arbanasi, not Ilirians. Arbanasi was a tribe who lived on Kavkas. They come with mongols, they attack roman empire, they latter attack with one Byzantine rebel Byzantine in Civil war. They lost war, and they ask Might Tzar Dusan the Grates to stay in are of now know Tirana
WhosTheBiatchNowCCCC 2 years ago
hahah, SAINT CONSTANTINE was born in Nis, and if Albanians who look like Arabians are Ilirian, then Serbs are ancient Kelts ,who lived before Ilirian in Balkan, not Slavs. Its very funny that anyone in Europe in 21. century thinks that Albanians are Ilirians. Albanians lives in tribes to 1945. then they start with first state. Another proof that Albanians are not Ilirian. If Albanians are Ilirian, Serbs are Kelts
WhosTheBiatchNowCCCC 2 years ago
you fucking idiot, what are Bosnians? who are that people. Albanians made a ethnic cleaning in SERBIA on SERBIAN KOSOVO AND METOHIJA!!!!!!! NATO bombarded hospitals, bombarded innocent children!!!! killed so many innocent people!!!!! FUCK NATO, EU AND USA!!! Ahtisari plan is only plan that is not excepted in UN!!! How many Serbs was murdered after bombing of Serbia? FUCK YOU IDIOT WITHOUT INFORMATIONS!!!
WhosTheBiatchNowCCCC 2 years ago
Martti Ahtisaari is a hero
he has help kosovo to be independance
Fuck serb`S
kosovo 4-ever
opfernhofkind 2 years ago
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Martti Ahtisaari, the son of SS division volunteer, real name Adolfsen, helps in creating the nazi ghetto-like region in the heart of europe, well into the 21st century
EVILEULEX 2 years ago
Quite right, the modern DEPENDENT NATO COLONY of Kosovo is actually worse than during the era of Nazi occupation, when German and Italian troops actually stopped Albanians from burning many of the Serb churches and looting the graveyards.
Today, NATO helps them do all of that as well as expell Serbs and non-Albanians from the area.
seseljsrs 2 years ago
Serbia must be forced to recognize Kosovo, Ahtisaari
12.02.2009
EU must be united in its demands that Serbia must first recognize Kosovo as an independent country if it is to be granted membership, suggest Martti Ahtisaari, Wolfgang Ischinger and Albert Rohan.
Only a united position of the European Union, combined with the statement that Serbias membership in the European Union is impossible until this problem is solved in its entirety..."
seseljsrs 3 years ago
Jolie is not a "politician traditional" because she does not win the Nobel Prize (AN EUROPEAN MONOPOLY and anti-WOMAN PRIZE)...she is woman who is an example in the World-she spent more than 3 millions dollars to help Africa...There are many fans from Finland here. Greetings to my critics
alejaperu 3 years ago
Btw. Al Gore won last year. He's not European.
AND when I say this I do not mean that Jolie hasn't done well and saved lives. But you cannot compare 3 million dollars to the amount of effort Ahtisaari has done over the last THIRTY years. And I'm 90% sure he has gathered multiple times more money to the countries he has saved from chaos and saves multiple times more lives. As said. Not meaning to offend.
setakakki 3 years ago
en pysty ees kattoo tota. maran englanti on vaan niiiiiiiiiiin liian kaunista :D
ninjakanen 3 years ago
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Martti Ahtisaari is fat finnish pig , not peacemaker , this hog is warmaker .
Szerbiack 3 years ago
You´re a fuckin`idiot.
MazeMurdersOfHeaven 3 years ago 5
You are asshole!!Die bitch..what are you some peacemaker?I think you are somekind motherfucker..so go to fuck your mommy!!
KofeiiniED 3 years ago
Lol. I bet you are Russian :#. The only country that doesn't approve this. Because Martti helped Kosovos independece. Russia didn't want Kosovo to get free. Ahtisaari didn't actually drive the independece. But autonomity for Kosovo in Serbia. becuase of Russia it got independent actually.
setakakki 3 years ago
You have to wonder what combination of brainwashing and illiteracy prevails in certain parts of Europe such that individuals can be persuaded to accept the argument that Kosovo is "independent", has a society based on the rule of law, has a government instead of a cabal of terrorists and drug lords, resembles in any shape or form a normal country anywhere in Europe and so on and on.
seseljsrs 3 years ago
Well. You have to wonder why the Russians(idk if you're one) think that Serbia deserves to hold a society that thinks it is independent. Take a look at some history and think what Milosevic tried to do. HE TRIED TOTAL GENOCIDE. He tried to kill EVERY ONE who opposed him. ALL but the Serbians. That gives little right if you ask me.
setakakki 3 years ago
"HE TRIED TOTAL GENOCIDE"
"Take a look at some history"
"He tried to kill EVERY ONE"
Yes, it's exactly the kind of primitive propaganda that we can expect to see regurgitated time and time again, confirming that many people in Europe are willing to swallow anti-Serb propaganda whole or rather - WHOLE.
seseljsrs 3 years ago
There is a difference between Europe and Russia. Kreml owns 99% of the Russian media and sadly there is a lot of sencorship and "propaganda". The public sees what Kreml wants them to. Taking the Georgia war. "Georgians raped, killed, genocided, destroyed ext, Russians helped save lives, did peace keeping work, only minimal casualties." Europe isn't a unified area. We have a lot of stupid fueds. We trust each other as sources. But do not say what someone tells us to.
setakakki 3 years ago
And if you are Serbian, and in this case a nationalist one, it is sort of understandable to see you on that side. Nationalists in most of the cases see the things the way they want to, not by the way they are. And as said. Europeans check their sources from many independent places. The news do not go by the "EU Gestapo/Kreml". Russia is still working on it's way to a "western" democracy. It's far from it but coming by. Putin has done alot of good.
setakakki 3 years ago
Yeah...keep digging. I see that a lot of Finns are rushing to support Ahtisaari exactly because of their nationalist sentiments. Smells like hypocrisy? Worse, actually.
Moreover, that accusation you are using against nationalists goes much worse against the occupiers of the former Yugoslavia which have allowed all manner of crimes and ethnic cleansing to be committed right under their noses - all in the name of "peace" with the acquiescence of their intellectual society/propaganda organs.
seseljsrs 3 years ago
Because I'm a Finn I'm proud of a Peace Nobel coming to Finland for the first time ever, but even if the winner was Iraqi, Chinese, Nepali or from any country in the world, my opinion would be the same --> the award was deserved and Kosovo deserves to be free. And the last time I "checked" Kosovo was doing very well in the terms of a just founded nation. Ofcourse there is propably some sort of chaos there atm. As they say: Rome wasn't built in a day.
setakakki 3 years ago 2
Kosovo deserves to be "free" for Albanians to do their drug-running and church burning. Yes, I'm fully aware that supporters for Ahtisaari's war mongering also support such activities.
seseljsrs 3 years ago
pilkun nussintaa skendot ja skandit sama maa...
elvisaron1 3 years ago
The Nordic region-Sweden, Norway, Finland...
alejaperu 3 years ago
I totally disagree with you.There are several award winners from Europe (Scandinavia). Third World does not exist. This zone has many democratic leaders.
alejaperu 3 years ago
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Finland is not in Scandinavia.
TuoppiBoy 3 years ago
No kylläpäs on.
Killjoy45 3 years ago
Ja jos ihan totta puhutaan niin Suomi EI kuulu skandinaviaan, mutta ulkomailla Suomi usein luetaan skandinaviaan kuuluviin maihin. Suomi kuuluu Fennoskandiaan ja Pohjoismaihin kylläkin...
N1cto 3 years ago
yeah rules!
susion07 3 years ago
While Angelina Jolie works very hard for Africa.For this reason, unlike several Nobel Prizes, she is an idol around the World.
alejaperu 3 years ago
Perhaps so, but the Nobel Peace Prize puts focus on those that are NOT as known as e.g. Jolie, Geldof or anyone else struggling for peace. Those that are already known have often more means to do so with respect to publicity. I believe Ahtisaari deserves this prize, as he has actually contributed in many of the reknowned conflicts around the world as a mediator between parties that are often extremely opposed to one another. And many times he has succeeded.
charlies86angel 3 years ago 3
With all due respect, dealing with political matters is often much more strenuous than simply putting focus on the humanitarian aspects of a problem, as I think many celebrities nowadays use their status to do. I'm not saying that is wrong, but Ahtisaari's one of those people dealing with the political aspects of it and actually negotiating between the opposing parties at a higher - and often more difficult - level. I think the Nobel Peace Committee made a very good choice this year.
charlies86angel 3 years ago 4
Yawn, a long-winded spin describing Maarti's delivery of threats on behalf of NATO as something more "advanced", even "noble", than raising funds for drinking water in 3rd world villages is the height of shameless delusion.
seseljsrs 3 years ago
I'm not saying that it is more advanced or noble, I'm just saying it's "OFTEN much more strenuous" and "OFTEN more difficult". Notice the adverb use here. Mind you, raising funds for drinking water can be just as challenging as this, but if you read my replys a little more closely, you'd notice I'm talking about politics and a person who hasn't received the recognition through the media as many Hollywood celebrities have.
charlies86angel 3 years ago
I don't think it was very strenuous for him at all. In fact, Mr. Ahtisaari seems to enjoy playing out some sort of dictatorial fantasies as a NATO/Soros anti-Serb anti-Russian envoy. He's made this clear time and time again in his various articles for NATO-propaganda organs.
On top of it all, he collects a salary for it.
seseljsrs 3 years ago
What you're discussing here is nothing short of irrelevant considering the issue I'm discussing.
Ok, then give me some hard evidence from a credible source about his so-called "dictatorial fantasies" and the articles that clearly point out to this issue. Until then I'll consider this as a disrespectful spew of claptrap.
charlies86angel 3 years ago
No, chuckie, it is completely relevant to the topic at hand which is the awarding of a peace prize to a warmonger and envoy of the NATO war machine.
Your demand for evidence of his role as such only confirms that you are indeed woefully lacking even the most minimal awareness of the individual's background.
seseljsrs 3 years ago
Tell me. In what ways has Ahtisaari caused wars or made any? Give us an example.
And our demands for evidence makes us ignorant?!
It's the SAME FUCKING THING if I told that Vladimir Putin is selling Nuclear weaponry to North Korea and Iran. "YOU ASK FOR EVIDENCE!?!? IT MEANS YOU ARE STUPID" ... Seariously. We can go hand to hand and write letters to representives from the countries in the world, and we'd propably get support for my and Charlies' ideal.
setakakki 3 years ago 2
Such a pity for the world that Europe's elites are allowed to advance a perverted understanding of "peace" by promoting a blood thirsty war envoy and Goebbelsesque propagandist such as Ahtissari.
All that the Nobel Prize Committee has done is to confirm its' own role as part of that cabal, something which it has done so many times previous, so it's really not any surprise.
seseljsrs 3 years ago
Maybe they should have anvanced a man of peace like Slobodan Milosevic or Ratko Mladić? Would you have been happy then?
Mikey84 2 years ago
Good morning Serbia? Many Finns are proud of him. I understand that some countries are not.
But what are these countries by the policy? Propaganda seem to be dear to you too.
road6849 3 years ago
Finns are indeed proud of him, and that's exactly my point. They are proud of a man who threatened Belgrade with carpet bombing.
Propaganda is so much dear to the NATO states and their satellites like Finland which base their entire Balkan policy on Goebbelsesque lies.
seseljsrs 3 years ago
Fuck you and your carpet bombings! Not any country with weapons of modern warfare use carpet bombing anymore. Ahtisaari said himself "Some think im not a nice man because i tell them facts"
"Balkan policy on Goebbelsesque lies." LMFAO!
Niitroshark 3 years ago
Yes, and guess WHY he threatened Belgrade?´
Remember the 1990s in Balkan...
Mikey84 2 years ago
So you admit Marti Nazi threatened war on a foreign state owing to domestic conflicts within that state?
seseljsrs 2 years ago
That "domestic conflict" in which NATO reacted can be called as threat of ethnic cleansing. IIRC it was in 1999 or something - I might be wrong about the year.
Mikey84 2 years ago
Sure, hide behind some tired, beaten and beaten again propaganda like a coward.
Ethnic cleansing? You mean like the kind going on in Kosovo for 300 years?
But, I do find Finnish statements of support for a bigot and Nazi wannabe good as evidence, so I thank you for throwing your vote in.
seseljsrs 2 years ago
Hey, yes, I know that the Albanian population is NOT the original population of Kosova. I know that Serbs have been persecuted in that area for a long time. I also know that historically Kosovo has been a part of Serbia for a long, long time. But that doesn't justify the Serbian actions like the Račak incident in 15th January 1999... and I have to add that the Albanians are also NOT innocent. Not at all.
Mikey84 2 years ago
Hmmm, first the name is Kosovo and Metohija and not the Albanised corruption of Serbian words.
You claim to know something about the conflict, but by bringing up Račak you reveal again your true colours.
Albanian terrorists were killing civilians and committing ethnic cleansing in 1998, and Finland among other countries supported their genocide, as well as a completely one-sided interpretation of events.
seseljsrs 2 years ago
Kosova or Kosovo, whatever, we are speaking about the same piece of land anyway...
"Albanian terrorists were killing civilians and committing ethnic cleansing in 1998"
That's my point when I said that Albanians too are not innocent at all.
And by the way, Ahtisaari suggested a CONTROLLED independence for Kosovo...
Mikey84 2 years ago
And that's what the Albanian terrorists got, a mafia state controlled by them, complete with Potemkin-Village window dressing staffed largely by foreigners claiming to be in control of everything.
seseljsrs 2 years ago
That's NOT what Ahtisaari meant as "controlled". He meant Kosovo's independence should be controlled by international institutions such like UN or EU. This plan failed, as we all know... and that's why Kosovo is a mafia state today.
And by the way, you should educate yourself about Ahtisaari's other projects too such as his role in Namibia's independence declaration and the negotiations between Indonesia and the Aceh rebel movement.
Mikey84 2 years ago
Sure, come up with some more apologies for a Serbophobe who acted on behalf of terrorists.
I don't need advice on educating myself about a warmonger and bigot, and especially not from an online apologist such as yourself.
seseljsrs 2 years ago
Tell me, there is some land in Finland. and that land is holy for you. Its a land where Finland was created (example). And some Albanians come there and said, its our land, it always was, and they want independence. What will be your answer? Serbia have a long army tradition, and Serbia will be back on KOSOVO AND METOHIJA very soon. CCCC VOJISLAV SESELJ LEGENDA
WhosTheBiatchNowCCCC 2 years ago
I tell you what... there was an area in Finland like that before the World War II. I'm speaking about the Karelian Isthmus and the southern part of present-day Republic of Karelia (part of the Russian Federation). Well, we lost that war and had to cede those areas to Soviet Union - empty. 400 000 Finns had to be evacuated elsewhere.
These Finns never started an armed conflict against Soviet Union. Instead, they understood that life has to go on, no matter what...
Mikey84 2 years ago
so what? Kosovo is holy land, remember that, HOLY, don't have a value, if all Serbs have to die because of Kosovo, all Serbs will die. Without Kosovo there is not Serbia and Serbs. Serbian history was made on Kosovo! Kosovo is much more then 15% of territory.
WhosTheBiatchNowCCCC 2 years ago
Well, the roots of modern Finnish culture were in those areas which we had to cede for Soviet Union. And those areas were 12% of Finnish territory. That area was the richest area of all Finland back then. My father's father was one of those who had to be evacuated.
So why not just move on?
Mikey84 2 years ago
Serbs are people with tradition, and you are scared, and because of that you give territory to Soviet Union. We will never give Kosovo to USA or to NATO, even to WHOLE WORLD. Serbs fight first with Byzantine, then with Ottoman empire 6 centuries, then with Austro-Hungary and Germany in 1 WW, then with Germany in 2 WW, before that in Balkan wars, then Bosnia 1991 against NATO and Croatia and Bosnia, than 1999 with NATO. So KOSOVO IS SERBIA!!!
WhosTheBiatchNowCCCC 2 years ago
Scared? Yeah, right... the only reasons we lost were that our army was too small compared to the Soviet one and from 1941 onwards we attacked to areas that have never been part of Finland - and we did that with Nazi Germany (that was a HUGE mistake).
Anyway, we maintained to keep our independence and never fell to Eastern Bloc. There were only three capitals in Europe that were not occupied by a foreign army: London, Moscow - and our capital Helsinki.
Mikey84 2 years ago
They are fighting against apathy of the world.For many people, Cuba is an Olympic paradise and the dictator Raul Castro Ruz is a democratic leader.
alejaperu 3 years ago
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It was very unfair. ANGELINA JOLIE or LAS DAMAS DE BLANCO from Cuba should have earned the Nobel Prize for Peace 2008.Las Damas de Blanco struggling for years against the dictatorship of Fidel Alejandro Castro Ruz/Raul Castro-one of the world's worst dictatorships (such as Myanmar/Burma).
alejaperu 3 years ago
And last year it went to Al Gore for helping with the Green House effect. I can't see what that has to do with peace. And Angelina Jolies thing is different. She does alot of charity work perhaps. But she hasn't done anything that would benefit peace. Like Ahtisaari. And there are dozens of De Blancos around the world. It matters. But it isn't enough. You have to get rid of the dictators.
setakakki 3 years ago
What about Tim Tebow?
BrodyManFSU 3 years ago
If I could choose the Nobel Peace Prize winner I would have voted for PAT CONDELL.
StefanFTYT 3 years ago
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Milosevic took the papers and asked, What will happen if I do not sign? In answer, [Finland's former president] Ahtisaari made a gesture on the table, and then moved aside the flower centerpiece. Ahtisaari said, Belgrade will be like this table. We will immediately begin carpet-bombing Belgrade. Repeating the gesture of sweeping the table, [2008 Nobel peace lureate winner] Ahtisaari threatened, "This is what we will do to Belgrade....There will be half a million dead within a week."
seseljsrs 3 years ago
And the criminal asked "what can you do? What if I don't stop killing and torturing? What can you do?" The judge said "then, if you don't stop, you will be punished"
It is extremely important to make clear to all bloodthirsty dictators that they are not above the law. They are not dealing with some "peace loving flower Lennons" but with a legitimate international justice system that has, just like any other police, the right to use force to protect the people.
atribecalled123 3 years ago 5
Good grief, a Kafka-bot got hold of a computer.
seseljsrs 3 years ago
("We will begin carpet-bombing Belgrade") thats BS! Ahtisaari was NOT a spokesman for NATO, he definately did not use the term "WE" when he told SM the realities, he just knew (like everyone else) what would happen if Milosevic should refuse to surrender..
Niitroshark 3 years ago
It's on tape.....
seseljsrs 3 years ago
Maybe. But Ahtisaari wasn't speaking for Nato.
setakakki 3 years ago
Try harder, Ahtisaari always speaks for the cabal.
seseljsrs 3 years ago
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It can be as well awarded to any other criminal on the street. After all, Nobel did invent dynamite. Evil always goes together.
oknevals 3 years ago
And the nuclear bomb was based on Einstein's theories.
Mikey84 3 years ago 2
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Congratulations for President Martti Ahtisaari.
sammso 3 years ago 8
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HYVÄ SUOMI. HYVÄ MARA. < yes i'm finnish.
childprey321 3 years ago 8
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TheFoxNewsChannel 3 years ago 6
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Clinton, Ahtisaari ETC. = BILDERBERG = ILLUMINATI....NOT!!
Your paranoia is scary....
Niitroshark 3 years ago 6
Another one of these retards who take David Icke a little too seriously...
GnrlDisarray0 3 years ago
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idiot Mr. Martti Ahtisaari is the scum of the earth Bilderberg Member,they are TRAITORS To humans everywhere and cowards ,he deserves nothing you lick lick !!!he is a idiot go google The Bilderberg Group,people need to wake up
TheFoxNewsChannel 3 years ago 13
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why dont u kiss my ass.
WHATTii 3 years ago 3
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Fortunately the Nobel Committee knows Ahtisaari:s true meanings/contributions to world peace better than you. Your own governvent was part of the western pack who pushed Ahtisaari to make hasty desicions how to deal with Kosovo. Go whine somewhere else...
Niitroshark 3 years ago 5
I hope, that you preciated his work better, when Ahtisaari is not enymore whit us! Like here in Finlad the men is a legend, only when he is a dead.
gallenkallela 3 years ago 4
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Onneks olkoon Martti Ahtisaari vihdoin sait sen minkä olet ansainnut! :) Kateelliset ryssät vinkuu rajan takaa ,et meille se ..voi että, mitä ne edes osaa tehä.. "ladoja "
janipa86 3 years ago 8
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Go Mara! :D I love this guy, take a look at how he walks sometime, it's like a penguin trotting about. Good man
aciser1 3 years ago 3
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finally!
lefa345 3 years ago 6
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noopeli tuli =D
lenkkarijalkaukko123 3 years ago 5
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Congratulations!
Hieno saavutus Mara!
nasseri 3 years ago 5
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Vihdoinkin se tuli oikealle miehelle. Onnea Mara!
arskatheman 3 years ago 6
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he,s done a good job though... well done.. especially over in balkan after all em inocent plp got killed by serbs over in croat bosnia slovenia and kosovo... we need a peaceful nations happy indep kosovo greetings from united kingdom.....
SouthLondon99 3 years ago 6
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Moments like these I'm proud to be a Finn.
We sure respect this man.
Way to go Martti!
Suokukkonorsu 3 years ago 14
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Kippis Martti!
jerky334 3 years ago 11