science does conflict with a belief in god, because belief in god is willingness to believe without evidence which is an assault on the very principles of the scientific method. The same scientific method that is almost certainly the reason that anyone reading this is even alive today. You owe your fucking life to the very thing that you betray every second with your unjustified belief in the supernatural.
@Dragon0007 lmao @ you. biblical thinking played a foundational role in all that went into the formation of the western culture. giving rise to modern science, as c.s. lewis put it "men became scientific because they expected law in nature and they expected that because they believed in a lawgiver. the chief aim of all inverstigations of the external world should be to discover the rational order which has been imposed on it by God."
@Dragon0007 so pervasive was such thinking in western culture that phrases like "all men are created equal and endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights" were taken to be self-evident truths at the founding of the U.S. you should thank Christianity for giving you science and human rights. imagine what the declaration of independence would look like if it were drafted today, when some of our leading intellectuals are telling us we've pulled ourselves up by our own bootstraps.
@lightbrownpoop and yet equality to all humans is not Christian at all (slavery, women cannot teach, other religions are inferior and their practitioners should be burnt alive etc etc the list goes on), and also it was Islam that preserved the scientific knowledge of the Greeks. Not to mention that the God of the Christian bible clearly holds belief without evidence in a higher esteem than logic and scientific experimentation.
Basically, get out or get cockslapped out the door - you choose
@lightbrownpoop but yeah, in a sense you are correct, by which I mean that Christianity showed us what to do by being a near-perfect example of what not to do. The hilarity begins at this point.
ID teaches earth is flat that human appeared out of nowhere by magical powers of god that sun revolves around earth that all species were wiped out by the flood among other crazy things like unicorns and dragons
Harris did explain his reasons in the article for why he is uncomfortable with the nomination. If you do not like them, argue against them. It isn't enough to simply dismiss him as a bigot.
Harris is a guy that advocates murdering people who hold "certain propositions" with which he disagrees, believing such people to be irrational and unreasonable. He is also a man that not only advocates torture but the use of science to make torture more humane for the torturer. Now he comes out and slams Collins but cannot provide a credible reason as to why Collins shouldn't be awarded his position in the NIH other than he believes in God. This is atheist logic? Atheist open mindedness?
@ChristianMission If your gonna make accusations like the ones you just made you should back it up with some evidence. I know how you Christians struggle with the concept of evidence, but ti's really needed here or it's just hearsay and slander.
Many religious people (incorrectly) believe that they are morally superior to non-believers. And many non-believers believe (also incorrectly) that they are intellectually superior to believers. This is an exercise of bigotry on both sides. Brilliant and stupid people come from every demographic you can think of.
It must be hard to wake up every morning and maintain that everything came from nothing,I'll bet that's hard on the spirit.The spirit is willing ,but the flesh is weak.
There may be a 'god' somewhere in the universe-one that doesn't concern itself with human affairs-but as soon as you start making claims about your particular 'god' and start assigning properties and actions-you face the rules of logic and evidence.
And that's where you will get into trouble every time.
Your song is decent-rather static though. Some relief from the tonic would be nice. Also try to end melodic phrase somewhere other than 'do'.
Though I personally don't have arguments for God specific to Christianity. There are other apologetists that do a fine job defending the faith logically. I have always found Dr. William Lane Craig's work to be exemplary. You should check him out.
Very familiar with Craig-I've seen in fact at least a half dozen of his debates. I'm not impressed.
He is a good debater-especially in front of sympathetic audiences-but uses the same points every time, points that can't be debunked easily in a debate format but have been debunked in print many times.
Debunked? His cosmological argument is near water proof to me. I've not seen anyone convincingly debunk it. Now I know a couple informal apologetists on YT: Telemantros and Veritas48. They also present a lot of interesting arguments for God and Christianity. You should check them out as well.
It's not a very good argument to begin with, and certainly makes a pretty dramatic and unsupported leap in Craig's version to get to the 'personal god' thing. Look at common sense atheism-it took Lukeprog many paragraphs to make an airtight logical case. There are others.
'Telemantros' and 'Veritas' ?
When I have time-big project in the works now- but I'll try and get to it.
Oh you butthurt sheep, just shut up if you can't even go into the referred article without attacking or destroying the made arguments. But you can't ofcourse. That's why you attack people who like Sam's arguments.
That's why you accuse the atheists of bigotry and pretend christians aren't.
And good for you that you think God is truth, but that doesn't mean that the bible is infallible. The God of the bible is internally inconsistent. So how can it be true?
a sneering meandering egotist who can't put together a coherent point.
Even Sara Palin, the empty headed quitter, would be far better.
Falwell ? Seriously ?
The guy who took his faith based initiative money-my fucking taxes-and rushed 70,000 bibles to the stranded and homeless people of New Orleans after Katrina hit ?
Saynot, I have to apologize for butting in so late into this debate, but, my darling, it seems it's the Holy Warriors who can't handle us Queers. I have no problem with you reading the Bible, in fact I'm reading it myself right now. Why do you have such a problem with my marrying my boyfriend?
Irony, Brock, is that your bigoted panties are in a bunch over marriage equality. Truth is that gay people are people, and all people deserve equal rights. As you claim, God is truth, and truth cannot conflict with God. Therefore, God must be for gay people being married. Belief in God, therefore, must include the belief that gay people deserve the right to be married. Suck on that for a while.
just as you learn that tanning and smoking are bad for you in health class, you should learn about christian mythology in history along-side the roman pantheon and the olympic traditions. when you learn about zoraostrianism, you should learn about its religious offspring (judaism), and in turn that religion's progeny (christianity and islam).
Craig, I saw ur vid. Is that U? Ur only 22? Now I feel really bad for my comments to you. I should not have attacked you like that. I had just talked to some atheists who said it should be illegal for parents to teach their kids their religion and when I came on here I was in a bit of an angry mood toward atheists. I should not had taken it out on u. I truly do apologize. I hope u accept it.
My age should have no bearing on your apology... if that is the case then you don't mean it and I won't accept it. You should apologize for making a wide-sweeping generalization, you could even apologize for being rude, but don't apologize because you think I'm some mislead sheep lost in the world and too young to know the difference.
Craig, ohhh, I just reread my apology and I get ur angle. No, it doesnt matter how old u are, u deserved it no matter what for everything I said even the generalizations. I have a younger brother a little older than u and I felt like I was abusing someone that I should be protecting (It is hard to communicate that through a computer screen). Plus, I had to qualify my apology a tad since u didnt think The Dame were
going to go undefeated, although u were right, booooo! :);):)
No, it shouldn't be illegal to teach people your religion. It is a stupid thing to do, but owning a gun is stupid and I think people have that right. People have the right to eat fatty foods and become horrendously unhealthy, they have the right to smoke and drink and poison themselves with UV light at their leisure... so they have the right to teach their kids about the sky fairy. However, it has no place in government, or science, or school
watch Francis Collins' interview on Religulous, he sounds like a fucking moron... that is why he shouldn't be the director of anything, because he is stupid. The fact that he believes in god merely supports that.
Where do I begin... No I'm not. No we aren't, no we don't, Hitler was catholic, no we aren't, on the whole planet!?. Mischaracterization, bullshit, and yes it is. You're one who is "raging". We aren't angry, just upset. It doesn't exist, but god forbid the Sky Fairy he dares to send us all there. And Pyongyang is obviously NOT any form of utopia, it is communism, institutionalized atheism, and more importantly dynastic totalitarianism gone wrong.
Craig, Sam Harris quote, "Some people should be killed for thinking some things". Let me ask u this, should it be illegal for people to be able to teach their kids their religion? If u say yes or waffle, Hi Mao zedung
Eternal, should it be illegal for parents to teach their kids their religion. Should me praying and reading the Bible to my kids be against the law? Answer the question and stop waffling.
Eternal,Thank u, at least u r one atheist who believes in freedom of thought. My quote of Sam harris was a paraphrase. The exact quote was something like, "Some propositions are so dangerous it may be ethical to kill people for believing them".Doesnt sound very freethought to me.Go to wiki (which is no enemy to atheists to say the least) and punch in Sam Harris, look under criticisms and the truth will be made known to u (I hope u arent a Harris worshipper, ur bubble will b popped)
Eternal, If u called me a "xian asswipe" I wouldnt say u are a bigot, just par for the course among utube atheists. Do this, get another account and go to an atheist vid post and pretend u are a xian then watch the f-bombs fly. This is what makes me laugh about u atheist, u have no problem cursing, name calling, strawmaning xians and their views but when it is done back to u, u sqeal like little bee-outches. If my "asswipe" comment offended u, u are tasting ur own medicine. Bye
I would make a comparative religion class mandatory-I think that would be reasonable.
the point however is moot, as the only way to stop your child from learning that your religion is only one on many and they all have crazy ideas would be to restrict internet access.
"How exactly does belief in ID in any way conflict with a scientist becoming a first class scientist..."
Because there is no evidence to support it. Behe claimed the flagellum is irreducibly complex, then it was shown that it is the product of exaptation, so he was proven wrong, but he didn´t change his mind in the face of evidence, which is the opposite of what science is about.
I don´t care if you believe in God but ID is pure bullshit.
You sir are a bigot towards atheists. So how are you any better. When I watched your video I certainly didn't hear God's love coming through. Maybe I was hearing the God of the old testament.
Belief in ID does conflict with being a good scientist, however belief in god doesn't. The gist of ID as I understand it is that god steps in during evolution and makes things happen, for example in the case of apparent irreducible complexity e.g. the eye or the flagellum (both of which have been used by ID proponents and have been shown to be possible to evolve naturally, look it up if you don't believe me).
ID is not science as it cannot be tested. No scientist should be supporting it as such.
A scientist whom of which believes in god loses credibility with me. It shows he/she has poor decision making skills and lacks common sense. I have spoken, thank you.
Give one specific instance where this has happened-present any 'proof '-
I'll examine it -If it's irrefutable you will make a convert.
Can you say the same for proofs of evolution ?
Darwin's theory is the strongest scientific theory in science. And in science a theory does not mean 'guess' or 'hypothesis', it means a model of how things work based on facts, laws and evidence.
After all this time and all the creationists have thrown at TNS-it still keeps getting stronger.
1-Science makes no claims about the supernatural-it can however scrutinize claims made about the supernatural. there is no credible evidence for your 'god' or any other.
2-Who said it did ? And what on earth gives you the idea that is what natural Selection postulates ? LOL
3-Again-bullshit. You read it on a religious site or some religious 'authority' told you.
Even if one were to accept the special pleading and begging the question-and agree with the absurd premise that both are 'satanic'-(as if )-
it would still not make them synonymous-except perhaps in the mind of the formative thinker for whom all questions are either/or-black/white.
You likely have no problem believing that a supernatural being who could create 100 billion galaxies-(that we know of )-likes the smell of burning animal flesh and cares how you have sex.
"Francis Collins is an accomplished scientist and a man who is sincere in his beliefs. And that is precisely what makes me so uncomfortable about his nomination. Must we really entrust the future of biomedical research in the United States to a man who sincerely believes that a scientific understanding of human nature is impossible?"
-Sam Harris
Sam Harris does not make the case that Francis Collins is a bad scientist from the article, and does not draw soley upon Collin's faith for his argument
no one is arguing that christians can't conduct science and certainly not that they can't perform medicine.
The scientific method was not formulated by 'god fearing christians'-only those who couldn't voice doubt without fear of being banned banished or burned. Even Newton kept such secrets.
Galileo's case well known-Bacon was a pederast. Greek and Egyptian contributions were major.
It is still christians who are intolerant-and you guy-are a case in point.
Collins is more administrator than scientist and has already blurred the line between science and superstition. Triune waterfall indeed.
sorry-science and religion as now practiced are incompatible-some scientists can compartmentalize their minds, but most who call themselves believers are pantheists or deists.
belief in god is proof of irrational thinking, and rational thinking is a requirement for a scientist. that's it.
christians have been bigots for many centuries,amnd you have a problem when someone else does it? i didn't realize christians trademarked biggotry. my bad.
Your channel name implys that you are infact a biggot! Atheist ANTIDOTE?! We atheists are sick and need to be healed? GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK YOU FUCKING MORON! (WHO IS ALSO A BIGGOT)
'Francis Collins legacy as a scientist, his impeccable credentials' Ah, wait, there's something else too...I can't quite put my finger on it...Oh yeah, his absolute acceptance, and rigorous defense of the theory (and fact) of evolution. Funny you didn't mention that your video, Brock.
I think that, in addition to science being founded by God-fearing men, I think the funnier, more overlooked contradiction is that the scientific method itself has Biblical origins.
Sam Harris has got to be one of the least bigoted "atheists" out there, although I can see how the bluntness of his statement comes off a little harsh.
I'm curious, what part of science is "fabricated?" I'd like to know at what point it breaks down for you.
You sure like talking to yourself... What is the point of asking questions if you answer them all yourself? Oh wait I forgot, the only reason you have anything to say is that you misrepresent your opponent, and the entire situation, and then attack it. *cough* straw man fallacy, look it up...
Shouldn't this guy be ass raping some little kid right now? Probably bought the video camera after selling children to the older people in his congregation.
That's a very pointed accusation cosmicelore, can you give us some basis for your conclusion? Are you presenting an opinion of your religious group or do you stand alone in your hateful description of this man? Maybe you could present your religious/social opinion here and withhold you bigoted statements for the Nazi forum down the street.
Has it escaped your attention that Francis Collins does not believe in the same literal interpretation of God's unerring perfect word as you do?? FC believes in an old earth and a "guided" evolution, not ID. You might as well have two completely different religions in the light of this difference - both of which are ridiculous considering you both believe that life was magically created.
Whereas Dr. Collins' ideas do implicitly conflict with science, I don't think they're much to worry about. He clearly is somewhat rational to accept evolution and the areas where his disagreements lie are in largely theoretical areas, without sufficient evidence to stomp his views down.
Given his resume, I doubt his personal beliefs will harm his dedication to the scientific method, which has a methodological materialism that he must adhere to, regardless of personal beliefs.
Science never states that something came from nothing, that is a religious statement. Only religion claims that life and every complex plant and creature was spoken, i.e.created by incantation, into existence. And sadly for you, there are literally thousands of religions and thousands of gods that make the same ridiculous claim - your bitty god is not unique.
All fabricated by creationists. There is a difference between a christian scientist and a creationist pretending to be a scientist. Intelligent Design is not science. Someone in a field that actually studies biology should not be clouded by such nonsense. Creationism and ID are not christian either. Bearing false witness is a sin.
Holy shit on a stick! Did you even READ the article Brock? Lol. It most certainly did NOT say that. Nice try though.
"Must we really entrust the future of biomedical research in the United States to a man who sincerely believes that a scientific understanding of human nature is impossible?"
Last sentence of the article. Harris' objection has nothing to do with the man's belief in a god. It's all about the way he feels about neuroscience, which could be a problem for scientific advancement.
mfaulkner12: I can see how one could infer that he was dismissed based on religion, but it seems to me it was moreso based on his lack of understanding of the human brain. Or rather, his desire to not keep a limit on our understanding of it. This would prove problematic for science.
I am not familiar with this guy, but he does seem somewhat dishonest in the things hes said in this video alone. Such as saying science reveals god. I guess that would depend on which god we're talking about, because science has revealed a lot wrong with the bible. If someone wants to believe in a higher power then thats fine. But that power in my opinion should be experienced in reality or it has no basis in reality at all.
The "atheist scientists are ALWAYS superior to theist scientists" claim is officially bankrupt and was so from the beginning. People seem to forget that theists were the inventors of science. And yes I do know it was because everyone was theist back then, but that's irrelevant. What this fact shows is that theists are just as capaples scientifically as atheists.
Good stuff man, Harris and the rest of these clowns are doing it for the money. The sad thing is he doesn't even believe what he's saying and he's leading the masses of sheep that worship him straight to an eternity apart from God.
Sam Harris does seem like an intelligent guy, however his worldview are quite frankly, unscientific. Religion CAN give someone bias and influence their interpretion of evidence. However in science they have a peer-review process to ensure any theory does not contain bias, so personally I don't think an individual's belief can affect the overall process or consensus.
You constantly spew bigotry against atheists yet you are quick to attack Sam Harris for rightfully calling into question the appointment of one who throws out all science for a belief? Get outta here. Talk about hypocrisy.
he just wants people to believe they aren't at odds so it makes it look he has taken a fair and balanced look on the matter when he has really just dismissed the entire thing due to a religious prejudice.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOU PROVE EVOLUTION didn't happen using more than just idiotic dogma.
Following a papal trial in which he was found vehemently suspect of heresy, Galileo was placed under house arrest and his movements restricted by the Pope. From 1634 onward he stayed at his country house at Arcetri, outside of Florence.
I read the article and I think Harris' decision is a sound one. Would we appoint a person who believes man can not leave the earth to the head of NASA? If the man believes that the human mind is part of an unreachable soul and not the brain, do we want him controlling medical science? It's not because he fears god, it's because his beliefs are at odds with science.
I wonder how many people posting comments actually read this article.
Harris clearly states at the end of the article that it is precisely because of Collins' sincere beliefs in God that make him uncomfortable in the nomination for director of the National Institutes of Health. It's obvious that throughout the article Harris is presupposing that science and religion are at odds with eachother, but when Collins finds a 'profound harmony' between the 2, pushing this notion furthers the ignorance.
The most heated defenders of a science, who cannot endure the slightest sneer at it, are commonly those who have not made very much progress in it and are secretly aware of this defect.
I say, Huxley, this is a terribly difficult problem. I cant see how the nerve impulse works, can you?
No, Hodgkin, I cant, and these differential equations are fiendishly hard to solve. Why dont we just give up and say that the nerve impulse propagates by Nervous Energy?
Excellent idea, Huxley, lets write the Letter to Nature now, itll only take one line, then we can turn to something easier.
Hmmm, Let's see. You're a Christian, you are NOT a bigot, you call yourself the Atheist Antidote. You call atheists names and spew vitriol towards them. But that's certainly NOT because you're a ... BIGOT, is it? Flawless logic, there, Brock.
are you illiterate or just dishonest? he DID NOT say that he did not want Collins nominated JUST because he believed in god. he said that Collins SPECIFIC (yes Brock not all people who believe believe the same way) beliefs were possible not the best choice for the future of bio-medical research.
Of course Harris did not say the reason he did not want Collins was because he believed in God. Harris is no dummy. However you and both know that the real reason is because Collins believes in God. Had a different person with the same creds been appointed that DID NOT believe in a god, we would not be having this conversation. Harris has been very out front on his hatred of God, and God in science. It does not take rocket science to figure this out. I am simply using the logic atheists worship
No! you are simply reading what YOU WANT between the lines because some Christians are desperate to play the persecution card and bo-ho about how the mean atheists are attacking them. Harris states that he is concerned that Collins will leave potentially fruitful areas of science unexplored because of his believe about HUMAN NATURE not because of his beliefs about god. anything beyond that is YOUR speculation.
Thats a load of crap. Had the guy not been a Christian, Harris would not have said a word. I have watched many of your videos. Your videos are very anti- Christian, and God. If it where you was semi-famous and made the comment about Collins, one could use simple logic and see from you videos that your gripe with Collins more than likely had to do with the fact that he is Christian. You claim to use logic, but it seems to me over and over that logic is not your friend.
no I am "anti-Christian, and God" the same way you buddy who made this video is anti-atheist, is any Christian that says atheists are wrong on an intellectual level.
I dismantlement the arguments for god and show how certain beliefs are absurd, but apparently you lack the ability make such subtle distinctions. it seem more like you just want to play the victim card and moan about how the mean atheists are attacking you.
I do not believe that I ever said anything about being a victim, nor do I believe that I am. You lack any real insight into how to dismantle Christian thought that you are left with only trying to point the finger at me and claim I am playing a victim. I only believe that atheists are wrong on an intellectual level when they are not intellectual, like you trying to paint that all Christians play the victim card. Sound very much that Tooltime knows his end is coming. Try Again!
you claim to speak for me and to know why i do what i do and now your are upset that I am saying you are playing the victim card? hypocrite much?! maybe you are not playing the victim card, but you sure as hell determined to paint intellectual opposition to your beliefs by people such as Harris and my self as hating Christians and god. I also think that Christians are wrong on an intellectual level and who the hell are you to say my motives (or Harris') are otherwise?
Who am I do say that you or Harris's motives are otherwise? I believe I just did. What gives me the right? It is knowing the your are 100% wrong in what you say about Christians. Is thst enought for you?
someone can be 10% wrong about god and still not hate Christians and god.
if you think you you have the right to claim what other peoples motives are, then fine, i say you are just complaining because you have no counter arguments so you simply claim to be right and scream persuasion to distract from your lack of genuine rebuttals.
you can repeat your little "your wrong" mantra till your blue in the fact, but that's not substitute for an actual argument.
How can I have a counter argument to something that makes no since. Also, what is the point in countering your videos that have been done by other atheists many times over. Come up with a very unique videos disproving Christianity, and I will be more than happy to counter it. I find it funny that theists are afraid of you,because the truth is youre neither that original nor hard to counter Yes, I have read the books I was talking about. I am actually a theist that knows what he is talking about
way to weasel your way out of having to put up or shut up, the old "oh your unoriginal" card. every pastor, priest and apologist on this planet is unoriginal by your standard, so lets just ignore all of them then. have you seen all of my videos? do you knwo everything I have said? how is it that you are so sure that everything i say is unoriginal?
also, you must either be illiterate, stupid or dishonest to think that Harris, Dawkins, Dennet, and Hitchens all say the exact same thing.
I'm no expert, but just from what I've read in the NY times, Harris is involved in medicine, Dawkins is an evolutionary biologist, and Hitchens seems to be more on a political level. I haven't heard anything by Dennet, but I would venture to say he is in another field himself. I think a lot of atheists don't like religion for different reasons, so I personally don't see how they could be saying the same thing either.
further more, I don't have to "disprove Christianity". it is up to YOU to prove that it is true. I would like to see you disprove every other religion in existence.
when will you guys realize it's not about "proving" God(Christ) right. if you reject Christ because you have no proof then fine. it has always been about faith brah.
if proof is all you care about, don't worry, you'll have it one way or another when you die.
I do not need to disprove every other religion is wrong. I am only need to prove that Christianity is right, then by default all other religions are incorrect. The truth is that no matter what proof I offer, you are going to dismiss it anyway, no matter if it is glaring true.
Isn't it kinda gay to wear eyeliner Squiggy?
ekorre33 1 year ago
science does conflict with a belief in god, because belief in god is willingness to believe without evidence which is an assault on the very principles of the scientific method. The same scientific method that is almost certainly the reason that anyone reading this is even alive today. You owe your fucking life to the very thing that you betray every second with your unjustified belief in the supernatural.
Wake the fuck up.
Dragon0007 1 year ago
@Dragon0007 lmao @ you. biblical thinking played a foundational role in all that went into the formation of the western culture. giving rise to modern science, as c.s. lewis put it "men became scientific because they expected law in nature and they expected that because they believed in a lawgiver. the chief aim of all inverstigations of the external world should be to discover the rational order which has been imposed on it by God."
lightbrownpoop 1 year ago
@Dragon0007 so pervasive was such thinking in western culture that phrases like "all men are created equal and endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights" were taken to be self-evident truths at the founding of the U.S. you should thank Christianity for giving you science and human rights. imagine what the declaration of independence would look like if it were drafted today, when some of our leading intellectuals are telling us we've pulled ourselves up by our own bootstraps.
lightbrownpoop 1 year ago
@lightbrownpoop and yet equality to all humans is not Christian at all (slavery, women cannot teach, other religions are inferior and their practitioners should be burnt alive etc etc the list goes on), and also it was Islam that preserved the scientific knowledge of the Greeks. Not to mention that the God of the Christian bible clearly holds belief without evidence in a higher esteem than logic and scientific experimentation.
Basically, get out or get cockslapped out the door - you choose
Dragon0007 1 year ago
@lightbrownpoop but yeah, in a sense you are correct, by which I mean that Christianity showed us what to do by being a near-perfect example of what not to do. The hilarity begins at this point.
Dragon0007 1 year ago
ID teaches earth is flat that human appeared out of nowhere by magical powers of god that sun revolves around earth that all species were wiped out by the flood among other crazy things like unicorns and dragons
neoarcadezr 1 year ago
Harris did explain his reasons in the article for why he is uncomfortable with the nomination. If you do not like them, argue against them. It isn't enough to simply dismiss him as a bigot.
Xybrik 1 year ago
You cannot be an ardent seeker of materialistic knowledge (science) while holding a belief in a Bronze Age sky fairy.
If you don't understand the problem here, I cannot undo the damage and explain it to you...I suggest professional help.
Gooberlicious54 1 year ago
Wow. Your ignorance is breathtaking.
swampdonkey152000 2 years ago
This is what happens when you drop out of school.
Superstud855 2 years ago
Harris is a guy that advocates murdering people who hold "certain propositions" with which he disagrees, believing such people to be irrational and unreasonable. He is also a man that not only advocates torture but the use of science to make torture more humane for the torturer. Now he comes out and slams Collins but cannot provide a credible reason as to why Collins shouldn't be awarded his position in the NIH other than he believes in God. This is atheist logic? Atheist open mindedness?
ChristianMission 2 years ago
@ChristianMission If your gonna make accusations like the ones you just made you should back it up with some evidence. I know how you Christians struggle with the concept of evidence, but ti's really needed here or it's just hearsay and slander.
clockworkornge 1 year ago
Many religious people (incorrectly) believe that they are morally superior to non-believers. And many non-believers believe (also incorrectly) that they are intellectually superior to believers. This is an exercise of bigotry on both sides. Brilliant and stupid people come from every demographic you can think of.
Keysteeze 2 years ago
There is a difference between a non-religious person and an anti-religious person.
A non-religious person is simply a non-believer "Thanks but no thanks, religion is not for me"
An anti-religious person is actively hostile to religion, "You fool, you and your superstitions are the greatest plight of mankind"
Keysteeze 2 years ago
Tell that to Galileo.
cballsack 2 years ago
What a fool.
thedr7777777 2 years ago
FAIL ...
TheLiquidLight 2 years ago
christians are still intolerant and yes science and christianity dont mix brock you should look up a little documentary called zeitgeist
Trevs13 2 years ago
Tell Brother!
CBALLEN 2 years ago
Tell it like it is,I'll bet those atheists of old,still feel the stinging in their hands as they beat on the door of the Ark.
CBALLEN 2 years ago
Cballz the homophobe
There was no 'noah'
There was no global flood.
Myths.
Why does christianity seem like a revenge fantasy ?
EternalSkeptic77 2 years ago
It must be hard to wake up every morning and maintain that everything came from nothing,I'll bet that's hard on the spirit.The spirit is willing ,but the flesh is weak.
CBALLEN 2 years ago
Cballz the homophobe
That's your bullshit story not mine nor science's.
Big bang theory says energy was compressed and expanded-not created.
I'll bet you use that lame ass 2nd law of thermodynamics argument too-doncha ?
What does the 1st law say ?
Moron.
So no arguments that there was ever a global flood ?
What a surprise.
EternalSkeptic77 2 years ago
Go get 1,000 gals of water and 10,000 lbs of dirt and compress it down to the size of an atom,write back and tell me how it turned out.
CBALLEN 2 years ago
Cballz the homophobe
You understand nothing of science.
Your 'god' doesn't exist and
never existed,
deal.
EternalSkeptic77 2 years ago
Can you prove God doesn't exist? I think not.
lockdown260 2 years ago
lock
I can prove your 'god' doesn't exist.
There may be a 'god' somewhere in the universe-one that doesn't concern itself with human affairs-but as soon as you start making claims about your particular 'god' and start assigning properties and actions-you face the rules of logic and evidence.
And that's where you will get into trouble every time.
Your song is decent-rather static though. Some relief from the tonic would be nice. Also try to end melodic phrase somewhere other than 'do'.
EternalSkeptic77 2 years ago
Thanx for the criticism.
Though I personally don't have arguments for God specific to Christianity. There are other apologetists that do a fine job defending the faith logically. I have always found Dr. William Lane Craig's work to be exemplary. You should check him out.
lockdown260 2 years ago
lock
No problem-we atheists tend to be altruistic.
Very familiar with Craig-I've seen in fact at least a half dozen of his debates. I'm not impressed.
He is a good debater-especially in front of sympathetic audiences-but uses the same points every time, points that can't be debunked easily in a debate format but have been debunked in print many times.
Anybody else ?
EternalSkeptic77 2 years ago
Debunked? His cosmological argument is near water proof to me. I've not seen anyone convincingly debunk it. Now I know a couple informal apologetists on YT: Telemantros and Veritas48. They also present a lot of interesting arguments for God and Christianity. You should check them out as well.
lockdown260 2 years ago
lock
Yes-debunked.
It's not a very good argument to begin with, and certainly makes a pretty dramatic and unsupported leap in Craig's version to get to the 'personal god' thing. Look at common sense atheism-it took Lukeprog many paragraphs to make an airtight logical case. There are others.
'Telemantros' and 'Veritas' ?
When I have time-big project in the works now- but I'll try and get to it.
EternalSkeptic77 2 years ago
@CBALLEN Actually why dont you look at nature? do you know what a black hole is dont you?
Very comprised matter.
nyarlotep 2 years ago
Oh you butthurt sheep, just shut up if you can't even go into the referred article without attacking or destroying the made arguments. But you can't ofcourse. That's why you attack people who like Sam's arguments.
That's why you accuse the atheists of bigotry and pretend christians aren't.
And good for you that you think God is truth, but that doesn't mean that the bible is infallible. The God of the bible is internally inconsistent. So how can it be true?
Hhaha, you lose. Good day sir.
ContinuumXT 2 years ago
say no to intelligence
You dumb shit-
you just called for your own death.
Homophobe :
a person who fears or hates homosexuals and homosexuality.
= you.
Idiot also = you.
EternalSkeptic77 2 years ago
say no to intelligence
Sorry ol' phart-
when you're a 67 year old who lies about being a 'prize winning biology professor' you don't even get to use the word 'rocks'.
You're just a feeble minded nasty old troll.
EternalSkeptic77 2 years ago
say no to intelligence
More evidence of your stupidity.
You can stop now-we have more than enough.
Yup-just what we need.....
a sneering meandering egotist who can't put together a coherent point.
Even Sara Palin, the empty headed quitter, would be far better.
Falwell ? Seriously ?
The guy who took his faith based initiative money-my fucking taxes-and rushed 70,000 bibles to the stranded and homeless people of New Orleans after Katrina hit ?
Ouch-the stupid......
it burns.
EternalSkeptic77 2 years ago
say no to intelligence
My law says you should kill yourself to prevent the spread of stupidity.
Do
it
now.
EternalSkeptic77 2 years ago
say no to intelligence
Wow-
you really are one dumb fuck.
There never was a 'noah's ark'-
stupid fable-impossible from the stand points of biology, physics, bio-geography, genetics and animal waste management.
And if 'idiots' like me got locked out we would have uhm...
drowned and left no descendants.
You aren't 'good'-you're too damn stupid to even know right from wrong.
EternalSkeptic77 2 years ago
say no to intelligence
Phd in biology ?
Hahahahaha-
my ass.
EternalSkeptic77 2 years ago
say no to intelligence
Guess what, if we ever meet you will regret it.
Guess what, hell does not exist-just like your 'god' and your 'law'.
Mentioning Hume is a
non sequitur.
Idiot.
EternalSkeptic77 2 years ago
say no to intelligence
You need to look up the definition of 'homophobe'
dumb shit-
more proof you are as dull as a box of hammers.
EternalSkeptic77 2 years ago
say no to intelligence
You're in no position to judge anyone-
if you were you would do best to start with yourself.
BTW
Using electronic media for a death threat is a federal crime you dumb mother fucker.
EternalSkeptic77 2 years ago
say no to intelligence
You again ?
Why do you feel you have to broadcast your raging homophobia to the world ?
Who are you to judge anyone ?
and to judge anyone for sexual orientation which they did not choose ?
Go hide in a closet until you die so you don't infect the next generation with your hatred.
EternalSkeptic77 2 years ago
Saynot, I have to apologize for butting in so late into this debate, but, my darling, it seems it's the Holy Warriors who can't handle us Queers. I have no problem with you reading the Bible, in fact I'm reading it myself right now. Why do you have such a problem with my marrying my boyfriend?
TimCubUAkbar 2 years ago
Irony, Brock, is that your bigoted panties are in a bunch over marriage equality. Truth is that gay people are people, and all people deserve equal rights. As you claim, God is truth, and truth cannot conflict with God. Therefore, God must be for gay people being married. Belief in God, therefore, must include the belief that gay people deserve the right to be married. Suck on that for a while.
TimCubUAkbar 2 years ago
just as you learn that tanning and smoking are bad for you in health class, you should learn about christian mythology in history along-side the roman pantheon and the olympic traditions. when you learn about zoraostrianism, you should learn about its religious offspring (judaism), and in turn that religion's progeny (christianity and islam).
Craigipedia 2 years ago
Craig, I saw ur vid. Is that U? Ur only 22? Now I feel really bad for my comments to you. I should not have attacked you like that. I had just talked to some atheists who said it should be illegal for parents to teach their kids their religion and when I came on here I was in a bit of an angry mood toward atheists. I should not had taken it out on u. I truly do apologize. I hope u accept it.
agnostaxian 2 years ago
My age should have no bearing on your apology... if that is the case then you don't mean it and I won't accept it. You should apologize for making a wide-sweeping generalization, you could even apologize for being rude, but don't apologize because you think I'm some mislead sheep lost in the world and too young to know the difference.
Best
Craigipedia 2 years ago
Craig, I did mean my apology. Sorry u dont think so.
agnostaxian 2 years ago
Don't worry about it agnost... it's not a big deal. I just don't understand your apology. But I wish you the best.
Craigipedia 2 years ago
Craig, ohhh, I just reread my apology and I get ur angle. No, it doesnt matter how old u are, u deserved it no matter what for everything I said even the generalizations. I have a younger brother a little older than u and I felt like I was abusing someone that I should be protecting (It is hard to communicate that through a computer screen). Plus, I had to qualify my apology a tad since u didnt think The Dame were
going to go undefeated, although u were right, booooo! :);):)
agnostaxian 2 years ago
agnostaxian,
No, it shouldn't be illegal to teach people your religion. It is a stupid thing to do, but owning a gun is stupid and I think people have that right. People have the right to eat fatty foods and become horrendously unhealthy, they have the right to smoke and drink and poison themselves with UV light at their leisure... so they have the right to teach their kids about the sky fairy. However, it has no place in government, or science, or school
Craigipedia 2 years ago
watch Francis Collins' interview on Religulous, he sounds like a fucking moron... that is why he shouldn't be the director of anything, because he is stupid. The fact that he believes in god merely supports that.
Craigipedia 2 years ago
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hexusziggurat 2 years ago
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agnostaxian 2 years ago
Where do I begin... No I'm not. No we aren't, no we don't, Hitler was catholic, no we aren't, on the whole planet!?. Mischaracterization, bullshit, and yes it is. You're one who is "raging". We aren't angry, just upset. It doesn't exist, but god forbid the Sky Fairy he dares to send us all there. And Pyongyang is obviously NOT any form of utopia, it is communism, institutionalized atheism, and more importantly dynastic totalitarianism gone wrong.
Craigipedia 2 years ago
Craig, Sam Harris quote, "Some people should be killed for thinking some things". Let me ask u this, should it be illegal for people to be able to teach their kids their religion? If u say yes or waffle, Hi Mao zedung
agnostaxian 2 years ago
agnostixian
Excuse me-
Where does Sam Harris say that ?
Citation please.
If you're going to quote-cite accurately and give context.
EternalSkeptic6 2 years ago
Eternal, should it be illegal for parents to teach their kids their religion. Should me praying and reading the Bible to my kids be against the law? Answer the question and stop waffling.
agnostaxian 2 years ago
agnoX
Enough-
you don't get to control the debate.
you posted a false quotation-
if you want to be taken seriously-
apologize.
1-Already answered-please pay attention if you wish to converse.
2-No-why would you ask such a stupid question ?
EternalSkeptic6 2 years ago
Eternal,Thank u, at least u r one atheist who believes in freedom of thought. My quote of Sam harris was a paraphrase. The exact quote was something like, "Some propositions are so dangerous it may be ethical to kill people for believing them".Doesnt sound very freethought to me.Go to wiki (which is no enemy to atheists to say the least) and punch in Sam Harris, look under criticisms and the truth will be made known to u (I hope u arent a Harris worshipper, ur bubble will b popped)
agnostaxian 2 years ago
agnoX
Most atheists believe n freedom of thought-in fact-'free thinker' is often considered to be a synonym for 'atheist'.
Don't put a paraphrase in quotes.
I know the actual quote and the context.
I read Sam Harris-entire.
You try to find truth by reading opinions ?
Wow.
Why would anyone 'worship' anyone or anything ?
EternalSkeptic6 2 years ago
agnoX
If you believe-hypothetically- that by cannibalizing my heart you will achieve immortality and believe you must act on the first belief-
what are my options ?
EternalSkeptic6 2 years ago
agnoX
Question for you-
Would you consider some one who used the term
'christian asswipes'
to be a bigot ?
EternalSkeptic6 2 years ago
Eternal, If u called me a "xian asswipe" I wouldnt say u are a bigot, just par for the course among utube atheists. Do this, get another account and go to an atheist vid post and pretend u are a xian then watch the f-bombs fly. This is what makes me laugh about u atheist, u have no problem cursing, name calling, strawmaning xians and their views but when it is done back to u, u sqeal like little bee-outches. If my "asswipe" comment offended u, u are tasting ur own medicine. Bye
agnostaxian 2 years ago
agnoX
Sorry-that is a 'tu quoque' fallacy.
Nobody is 'squealing like little bee-outches' when they point out your hypocrisy-
and hypocrisy it unquestionably is.
EternalSkeptic6 2 years ago
agnostaxian
Wow-
how could anyone be so wrong about so much.
You are amazing.
EternalSkeptic6 2 years ago
Eternal, would u make it illegal for xians to teach their kids their religion?
agnostaxian 2 years ago
agnostixian
An attack instead of a defense ?
I'll play your game-for now.
I would make a comparative religion class mandatory-I think that would be reasonable.
the point however is moot, as the only way to stop your child from learning that your religion is only one on many and they all have crazy ideas would be to restrict internet access.
EternalSkeptic6 2 years ago
sayno
You are threatening me and gay baiting
you 66 year old phart ?
Hahahahaha.........
Yup-lock and load 'jeebus'-
that's the ticket.
EternalSkeptic6 2 years ago
"How exactly does belief in ID in any way conflict with a scientist becoming a first class scientist..."
Because there is no evidence to support it. Behe claimed the flagellum is irreducibly complex, then it was shown that it is the product of exaptation, so he was proven wrong, but he didn´t change his mind in the face of evidence, which is the opposite of what science is about.
I don´t care if you believe in God but ID is pure bullshit.
JohnnyKubark 2 years ago
sayno-
That would explain the overacting, sneering attitude and the lack of coherent thoughts.LOL
Yes sir-when I want to learn about philosophy and religion..
I always turn to the theatrical community-
always.
Hahahaha.
EternalSkeptic6 2 years ago
sayno-
Brock is a sneering buffoon.
He blows.
EternalSkeptic6 2 years ago
sayno-
You better crack a dictionary there slim.
Religion is one of the primary causes of bigotry.
EternalSkeptic6 2 years ago
agreed
dirtysocks007 2 years ago
sayno
A .....'wuff' ?
What are you ? five years old ?
There are no such things as 'witches', fool.
And bigotry comes in a variety of flavors-christian not the least of them.
EternalSkeptic6 2 years ago
sayno-
You just keep popping up with these idiocies-
doncha.......
This video is
hypocrisy.
And only the 'stoned' would not recognize it.
EternalSkeptic6 2 years ago
You sir are a bigot towards atheists. So how are you any better. When I watched your video I certainly didn't hear God's love coming through. Maybe I was hearing the God of the old testament.
195er 2 years ago
cherifa liar
You need it far more than I.
EternalSkeptic6 2 years ago
cherifa
such anger-
such bare assertions-
such a lack of supporting evidence for you bare assertions.
shame on ya.
EternalSkeptic6 2 years ago
Belief in ID does conflict with being a good scientist, however belief in god doesn't. The gist of ID as I understand it is that god steps in during evolution and makes things happen, for example in the case of apparent irreducible complexity e.g. the eye or the flagellum (both of which have been used by ID proponents and have been shown to be possible to evolve naturally, look it up if you don't believe me).
ID is not science as it cannot be tested. No scientist should be supporting it as such.
Spartenos 2 years ago
"shows evidence of design by a creator"
There is no evidence to suport a creator.
"darwin's theory is unproven"
Wrong, it wuldent be calld a theory if there wasent evidence to suport it.
"are outright lies and fabrications"
Like the Bible?
Mossasan 2 years ago
A scientist whom of which believes in god loses credibility with me. It shows he/she has poor decision making skills and lacks common sense. I have spoken, thank you.
b3rtne 2 years ago
cherifa
Wrong on the first-that is 'abiogenesis'-
right on the second-common descent is a well established fact however.
You still misuse the word 'theory'.
It does not in any sense mean ''unproven guess'.
Wrong on the second here-it only shrinks the space where your 'god' of the gaps used to live.
There have been frauds perpetrated-and they were all exposed by science itself.
Evolution depends on none of them.
EternalSkeptic6 2 years ago
cherifa 000
Give one specific instance where this has happened-present any 'proof '-
I'll examine it -If it's irrefutable you will make a convert.
Can you say the same for proofs of evolution ?
Darwin's theory is the strongest scientific theory in science. And in science a theory does not mean 'guess' or 'hypothesis', it means a model of how things work based on facts, laws and evidence.
After all this time and all the creationists have thrown at TNS-it still keeps getting stronger.
EternalSkeptic6 2 years ago
cherifa liar
1-Science makes no claims about the supernatural-it can however scrutinize claims made about the supernatural. there is no credible evidence for your 'god' or any other.
2-Who said it did ? And what on earth gives you the idea that is what natural Selection postulates ? LOL
3-Again-bullshit. You read it on a religious site or some religious 'authority' told you.
4-Insults help your case not at all.
and another lie to complete your list of canards-
brilliant.
EternalSkeptic6 2 years ago
cherifa
I call bullshit.
You didn't decide for yourself that atheism and humanism were the same thing-
someone told you and you didn't even question the statement.
Little sheep.
Atheism isn't a 'cult'-it's just the result of science and logic judiciously and honestly applied.
EternalSkeptic6 2 years ago
cherifa
Not as badly as your received opinions.
EternalSkeptic6 2 years ago
cherifa
Pathetic admission that you've lost the argument.
Unrestrained anger-the sure sign.
EternalSkeptic6 2 years ago
cherifa
Dissolving into insults-
that really helps your case.
Have you tried internet dating services ?
EternalSkeptic6 2 years ago
cherifa
Oooo-such anger.
Sorry about the face and the no husband thing.
Try to take it in stride.
And I told you if you believe in the sky fairy you are.
So ?
I'm a vegetarian-but uhm-
nice red herring.
EternalSkeptic6 2 years ago
cherifa 000 liar
Even if one were to accept the special pleading and begging the question-and agree with the absurd premise that both are 'satanic'-(as if )-
it would still not make them synonymous-except perhaps in the mind of the formative thinker for whom all questions are either/or-black/white.
You likely have no problem believing that a supernatural being who could create 100 billion galaxies-(that we know of )-likes the smell of burning animal flesh and cares how you have sex.
EternalSkeptic6 2 years ago
cherifa liar
BTW-
whoever told you that 'humanism' is a 'satanic belief system' is not your friend-
and they do not have your best interests at heart.
EternalSkeptic6 2 years ago
cherifa liar
And uhm-
Was I the one who equated atheism-which is nothing more than the absence of belief in an deity-with
humanism ?
Pretty dumb girl.
And all because some one you thought was your friend actually wasn't.
Pathetic.
EternalSkeptic6 2 years ago
cherifa liar
Rhetorical question ?
Short answer-
uhm-
no.
EternalSkeptic6 2 years ago
cherifa liar
Why would it matter which religion you profess child ?
Have you made the statement of belief more than once ?
Ritual.
atheism and humanism are not the same thing-please look op the definitions before you make rash statements.
But then-this is just more regurgitation of your 'authorities'-
isn't it.
EternalSkeptic6 2 years ago
cherifa
Your 'god' is nothing more than an imaginary friend for grownups.
If you believe in 'god' you are religious-no amount of weasel words will change that.
Rituals are not essential for defining religion.
A statement of belief is a 'ritual' in any case.
Not bald, child.
Don't pretend to be stupid.
EternalSkeptic6 2 years ago
cherifa
1-Complete nonsense. if you believe in the sky fairy you are religious-end of discussion.
2-Wrong-ritual is not an essential component.
3-How would you know the extent to which science has been 'bloated with lies' ?
Have you investigated every scientific discipline ? Or are you regurgitating something someone you consider to be an authority told you ?
Religion as commonly practiced is incompatible with science.
4-Atheism is a religion like 'bald' is a hair color.
Get over it.
EternalSkeptic6 2 years ago
cherifa
And speaking of being 'full of shit' dear,
what is more full of shit than believing the 5,000 year old superstitions of goat herders to be literal truth ?
EternalSkeptic6 2 years ago
cherifa
So much hostility-
you must be a very unhappy person.
EternalSkeptic6 2 years ago
"Francis Collins is an accomplished scientist and a man who is sincere in his beliefs. And that is precisely what makes me so uncomfortable about his nomination. Must we really entrust the future of biomedical research in the United States to a man who sincerely believes that a scientific understanding of human nature is impossible?"
-Sam Harris
Sam Harris does not make the case that Francis Collins is a bad scientist from the article, and does not draw soley upon Collin's faith for his argument
themarioclone 2 years ago
cherifa
Wrong.
Militant atheists are people who recognize that the inmates have taken over the asylum.
EternalSkeptic6 2 years ago
more TTA
You erect a straw man and pummel it-
no one is arguing that christians can't conduct science and certainly not that they can't perform medicine.
The scientific method was not formulated by 'god fearing christians'-only those who couldn't voice doubt without fear of being banned banished or burned. Even Newton kept such secrets.
Galileo's case well known-Bacon was a pederast. Greek and Egyptian contributions were major.
You are one nasty piece of work.
EternalSkeptic6 2 years ago
TAA
My irony meter just melted down.
'the New York slime's article..."
It is still christians who are intolerant-and you guy-are a case in point.
Collins is more administrator than scientist and has already blurred the line between science and superstition. Triune waterfall indeed.
sorry-science and religion as now practiced are incompatible-some scientists can compartmentalize their minds, but most who call themselves believers are pantheists or deists.
more
EternalSkeptic6 2 years ago
I would go to that doctor.
kidflashII 2 years ago
belief in god is proof of irrational thinking, and rational thinking is a requirement for a scientist. that's it.
christians have been bigots for many centuries,amnd you have a problem when someone else does it? i didn't realize christians trademarked biggotry. my bad.
brownbigb 2 years ago
Francis Collins is also an evolutionist
87DannyBrown 2 years ago
"evolutionist" is a meaningless term
francis collins is a respected scientist, which means he accepts the theory of evolution
frankiep1222 2 years ago
i love it when brock says "dogmatic atheist evolutionists" ahahahh what a ruhtard
toolegit2quittttt 2 years ago
Your channel name implys that you are infact a biggot! Atheist ANTIDOTE?! We atheists are sick and need to be healed? GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK YOU FUCKING MORON! (WHO IS ALSO A BIGGOT)
ManBearPig84 2 years ago
'Francis Collins legacy as a scientist, his impeccable credentials' Ah, wait, there's something else too...I can't quite put my finger on it...Oh yeah, his absolute acceptance, and rigorous defense of the theory (and fact) of evolution. Funny you didn't mention that your video, Brock.
noodles321321 2 years ago
I hate being called a bigot, it's simple, give me a system that works better than evolution and I'll believe it,
CountGrishnakk 2 years ago
I think that, in addition to science being founded by God-fearing men, I think the funnier, more overlooked contradiction is that the scientific method itself has Biblical origins.
TheIllegit 2 years ago
Sam Harris has got to be one of the least bigoted "atheists" out there, although I can see how the bluntness of his statement comes off a little harsh.
I'm curious, what part of science is "fabricated?" I'd like to know at what point it breaks down for you.
TheCuriousSkeptic 2 years ago
He didn't say science is fabricated; he said the supposed incompatibility of science and God is fabricated.
TheIllegit 2 years ago
You sure like talking to yourself... What is the point of asking questions if you answer them all yourself? Oh wait I forgot, the only reason you have anything to say is that you misrepresent your opponent, and the entire situation, and then attack it. *cough* straw man fallacy, look it up...
Puckford 2 years ago
howtheworldworks + venomfangx = TheAtheistAntidote
bilboinc 2 years ago
That is perfect math. Agreed.
otherether 2 years ago
Shouldn't this guy be ass raping some little kid right now? Probably bought the video camera after selling children to the older people in his congregation.
babner 2 years ago
of course the same can be said of another "it" Christopher Hitchens, a dirty Marxist Jew Rat
cosmicelore 2 years ago
Sam Harris is a Marxist Jew Rat, he's sub-human, no need to bother with "it"
cosmicelore 2 years ago
That's a very pointed accusation cosmicelore, can you give us some basis for your conclusion? Are you presenting an opinion of your religious group or do you stand alone in your hateful description of this man? Maybe you could present your religious/social opinion here and withhold you bigoted statements for the Nazi forum down the street.
daveisnothome 2 years ago
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WhoFlungPo 2 years ago
Has it escaped your attention that Francis Collins does not believe in the same literal interpretation of God's unerring perfect word as you do?? FC believes in an old earth and a "guided" evolution, not ID. You might as well have two completely different religions in the light of this difference - both of which are ridiculous considering you both believe that life was magically created.
daveisnothome 2 years ago
Bless their everloving hearts.... read the comments of the atheists. Evidently The AtheistAntidote is striking a chord as in
..."They have to know you care, before they care what you know".
Most Christians know this day and age...man is so screwed up, we messed up the Good Lords message for alot of years. Thing of it as growing pangs.
We also know, that as the "time" draws ever closer, the knowledge will be evident.
Some may understand why Christians are becoming so much more outspoken.
tonysshadow 2 years ago
Whereas Dr. Collins' ideas do implicitly conflict with science, I don't think they're much to worry about. He clearly is somewhat rational to accept evolution and the areas where his disagreements lie are in largely theoretical areas, without sufficient evidence to stomp his views down.
Given his resume, I doubt his personal beliefs will harm his dedication to the scientific method, which has a methodological materialism that he must adhere to, regardless of personal beliefs.
paulmarko 2 years ago
Science never states that something came from nothing, that is a religious statement. Only religion claims that life and every complex plant and creature was spoken, i.e.created by incantation, into existence. And sadly for you, there are literally thousands of religions and thousands of gods that make the same ridiculous claim - your bitty god is not unique.
daveisnothome 2 years ago
All fabricated by creationists. There is a difference between a christian scientist and a creationist pretending to be a scientist. Intelligent Design is not science. Someone in a field that actually studies biology should not be clouded by such nonsense. Creationism and ID are not christian either. Bearing false witness is a sin.
PinkProgram 2 years ago
Holy shit on a stick! Did you even READ the article Brock? Lol. It most certainly did NOT say that. Nice try though.
"Must we really entrust the future of biomedical research in the United States to a man who sincerely believes that a scientific understanding of human nature is impossible?"
Last sentence of the article. Harris' objection has nothing to do with the man's belief in a god. It's all about the way he feels about neuroscience, which could be a problem for scientific advancement.
mfaulkner12 2 years ago
mfaulkner12: I can see how one could infer that he was dismissed based on religion, but it seems to me it was moreso based on his lack of understanding of the human brain. Or rather, his desire to not keep a limit on our understanding of it. This would prove problematic for science.
JackalClan 2 years ago
Sorry I meant "to keep a limit on our understanding".
JackalClan 2 years ago
Exactly! That's exactly what I'm saying. But I mean this is Brock we're talking about... We might be giving his intellect a bit too much credit.
mfaulkner12 2 years ago
I am not familiar with this guy, but he does seem somewhat dishonest in the things hes said in this video alone. Such as saying science reveals god. I guess that would depend on which god we're talking about, because science has revealed a lot wrong with the bible. If someone wants to believe in a higher power then thats fine. But that power in my opinion should be experienced in reality or it has no basis in reality at all.
JackalClan 2 years ago
The "atheist scientists are ALWAYS superior to theist scientists" claim is officially bankrupt and was so from the beginning. People seem to forget that theists were the inventors of science. And yes I do know it was because everyone was theist back then, but that's irrelevant. What this fact shows is that theists are just as capaples scientifically as atheists.
Sophiethefembot 2 years ago
Good stuff man, Harris and the rest of these clowns are doing it for the money. The sad thing is he doesn't even believe what he's saying and he's leading the masses of sheep that worship him straight to an eternity apart from God.
1776iscoming 2 years ago
If it's an eternity away from your god, that's a good thing :]
hydroids 2 years ago
Sam Harris does seem like an intelligent guy, however his worldview are quite frankly, unscientific. Religion CAN give someone bias and influence their interpretion of evidence. However in science they have a peer-review process to ensure any theory does not contain bias, so personally I don't think an individual's belief can affect the overall process or consensus.
JackalClan 2 years ago
You constantly spew bigotry against atheists yet you are quick to attack Sam Harris for rightfully calling into question the appointment of one who throws out all science for a belief? Get outta here. Talk about hypocrisy.
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
he just wants people to believe they aren't at odds so it makes it look he has taken a fair and balanced look on the matter when he has really just dismissed the entire thing due to a religious prejudice.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOU PROVE EVOLUTION didn't happen using more than just idiotic dogma.
thnx.
adrenacrumb 2 years ago
"...are not and have never been at war":
One small example:
Following a papal trial in which he was found vehemently suspect of heresy, Galileo was placed under house arrest and his movements restricted by the Pope. From 1634 onward he stayed at his country house at Arcetri, outside of Florence.
crumbinator 2 years ago
I read the article and I think Harris' decision is a sound one. Would we appoint a person who believes man can not leave the earth to the head of NASA? If the man believes that the human mind is part of an unreachable soul and not the brain, do we want him controlling medical science? It's not because he fears god, it's because his beliefs are at odds with science.
christo930 2 years ago
I wonder how many people posting comments actually read this article.
Harris clearly states at the end of the article that it is precisely because of Collins' sincere beliefs in God that make him uncomfortable in the nomination for director of the National Institutes of Health. It's obvious that throughout the article Harris is presupposing that science and religion are at odds with eachother, but when Collins finds a 'profound harmony' between the 2, pushing this notion furthers the ignorance.
Xaulted 2 years ago
The most heated defenders of a science, who cannot endure the slightest sneer at it, are commonly those who have not made very much progress in it and are secretly aware of this defect.
— Georg Christoph Lichtenberg
coddlinghimmler 2 years ago
"Everything has a natural explanation. The moon is not a god but a great rock and the sun a hot rock."
Anaxagorus, ca. 475 BCE
coddlinghimmler 2 years ago
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I say, Huxley, this is a terribly difficult problem. I cant see how the nerve impulse works, can you?
No, Hodgkin, I cant, and these differential equations are fiendishly hard to solve. Why dont we just give up and say that the nerve impulse propagates by Nervous Energy?
Excellent idea, Huxley, lets write the Letter to Nature now, itll only take one line, then we can turn to something easier.
tdp1909 2 years ago
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tdp1909 2 years ago
Religious people are still intolerant - just look at their attitudes towards atheists or gay people!
"Science in no way conflicts with belief in God". True, but it doesn't prove him either & God demands proof which science does not provide.
Btw, you speak of ID. Francis Collins is not of the ID movement, he believes in BioLogos, which says evolution is essentially true.
& I tell you the answer to the nerve impulses question. Take the above quote as being as if scientists were ID supporters...
tdp1909 2 years ago
ID is science derp, derp, derp.
Thanks for trying, please come again.
SolRosenberg84 2 years ago
Hmmm, Let's see. You're a Christian, you are NOT a bigot, you call yourself the Atheist Antidote. You call atheists names and spew vitriol towards them. But that's certainly NOT because you're a ... BIGOT, is it? Flawless logic, there, Brock.
Caraleisa 2 years ago
Please give me an example of so called names Brock has called atheists.
WordPlanter 2 years ago
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tooltime9901 2 years ago
are you illiterate or just dishonest? he DID NOT say that he did not want Collins nominated JUST because he believed in god. he said that Collins SPECIFIC (yes Brock not all people who believe believe the same way) beliefs were possible not the best choice for the future of bio-medical research.
tooltime9901 2 years ago
Of course Harris did not say the reason he did not want Collins was because he believed in God. Harris is no dummy. However you and both know that the real reason is because Collins believes in God. Had a different person with the same creds been appointed that DID NOT believe in a god, we would not be having this conversation. Harris has been very out front on his hatred of God, and God in science. It does not take rocket science to figure this out. I am simply using the logic atheists worship
WordPlanter 2 years ago
No! you are simply reading what YOU WANT between the lines because some Christians are desperate to play the persecution card and bo-ho about how the mean atheists are attacking them. Harris states that he is concerned that Collins will leave potentially fruitful areas of science unexplored because of his believe about HUMAN NATURE not because of his beliefs about god. anything beyond that is YOUR speculation.
tooltime9901 2 years ago
Thats a load of crap. Had the guy not been a Christian, Harris would not have said a word. I have watched many of your videos. Your videos are very anti- Christian, and God. If it where you was semi-famous and made the comment about Collins, one could use simple logic and see from you videos that your gripe with Collins more than likely had to do with the fact that he is Christian. You claim to use logic, but it seems to me over and over that logic is not your friend.
WordPlanter 2 years ago
"Your videos are very anti- Christian, and God."
no I am "anti-Christian, and God" the same way you buddy who made this video is anti-atheist, is any Christian that says atheists are wrong on an intellectual level.
I dismantlement the arguments for god and show how certain beliefs are absurd, but apparently you lack the ability make such subtle distinctions. it seem more like you just want to play the victim card and moan about how the mean atheists are attacking you.
tooltime9901 2 years ago
I do not believe that I ever said anything about being a victim, nor do I believe that I am. You lack any real insight into how to dismantle Christian thought that you are left with only trying to point the finger at me and claim I am playing a victim. I only believe that atheists are wrong on an intellectual level when they are not intellectual, like you trying to paint that all Christians play the victim card. Sound very much that Tooltime knows his end is coming. Try Again!
WordPlanter 2 years ago
you claim to speak for me and to know why i do what i do and now your are upset that I am saying you are playing the victim card? hypocrite much?! maybe you are not playing the victim card, but you sure as hell determined to paint intellectual opposition to your beliefs by people such as Harris and my self as hating Christians and god. I also think that Christians are wrong on an intellectual level and who the hell are you to say my motives (or Harris') are otherwise?
tooltime9901 2 years ago
Who am I do say that you or Harris's motives are otherwise? I believe I just did. What gives me the right? It is knowing the your are 100% wrong in what you say about Christians. Is thst enought for you?
WordPlanter 2 years ago
someone can be 10% wrong about god and still not hate Christians and god.
if you think you you have the right to claim what other peoples motives are, then fine, i say you are just complaining because you have no counter arguments so you simply claim to be right and scream persuasion to distract from your lack of genuine rebuttals.
you can repeat your little "your wrong" mantra till your blue in the fact, but that's not substitute for an actual argument.
tooltime9901 2 years ago
How can I have a counter argument to something that makes no since. Also, what is the point in countering your videos that have been done by other atheists many times over. Come up with a very unique videos disproving Christianity, and I will be more than happy to counter it. I find it funny that theists are afraid of you,because the truth is youre neither that original nor hard to counter Yes, I have read the books I was talking about. I am actually a theist that knows what he is talking about
WordPlanter 2 years ago
way to weasel your way out of having to put up or shut up, the old "oh your unoriginal" card. every pastor, priest and apologist on this planet is unoriginal by your standard, so lets just ignore all of them then. have you seen all of my videos? do you knwo everything I have said? how is it that you are so sure that everything i say is unoriginal?
also, you must either be illiterate, stupid or dishonest to think that Harris, Dawkins, Dennet, and Hitchens all say the exact same thing.
tooltime9901 2 years ago
I'm no expert, but just from what I've read in the NY times, Harris is involved in medicine, Dawkins is an evolutionary biologist, and Hitchens seems to be more on a political level. I haven't heard anything by Dennet, but I would venture to say he is in another field himself. I think a lot of atheists don't like religion for different reasons, so I personally don't see how they could be saying the same thing either.
JackalClan 2 years ago
further more, I don't have to "disprove Christianity". it is up to YOU to prove that it is true. I would like to see you disprove every other religion in existence.
tooltime9901 2 years ago
when will you guys realize it's not about "proving" God(Christ) right. if you reject Christ because you have no proof then fine. it has always been about faith brah.
if proof is all you care about, don't worry, you'll have it one way or another when you die.
CapnnOrdinary 2 years ago
I do not need to disprove every other religion is wrong. I am only need to prove that Christianity is right, then by default all other religions are incorrect. The truth is that no matter what proof I offer, you are going to dismiss it anyway, no matter if it is glaring true.