My hands very small as well. I play somethings in the pedal. Coupering writes it as well. It´s more or less up to you to use the pedal in some sections. It has to be used with taste also.
The closing measures, with horizontal reeds, sounds fine, so I can't believe he couldn't have found useable grand jeu combinations for the appropriate sections.
In fact these organ has just one or two mixtures. It is half german baroque and half romantic but without the french reeds on the recitative specially. If we analyse the instrument, this is a good instrument to play... almost nothing! You can play iberian music without splited keyboards, you can play some bach and you can play early romantic music. More than that you really need to make a lot of comprimises...
I don't mean to beat this subject to death, but your responses to the question of why grands jeux were not used in the dialogue sections indicates that perhaps you are aware that the grand jeu should be dominated by brilliant reeds and that mixtures are specifically to be excluded. The big chorus should have Trompettes 8 & 4 plus Prestant 4 and Cornet or Tierce. The small chorus may be based on Cromorne 8 and perhaps Prestant 4 and Tierce or Sesquilatera. No mixtures are called for.
I know quite well what should be the registration of this piece. What I said is:
I doni´t have trompet 4 in the organ, I have trompet 8 but just horizontal and it doesnt sound french at all, so I used what the organ had in order to play this piece the best as possible for that instrument in particular... So, let´s say that I don´t have stops for what is called "grands jeux". About small chorus it happens exactly the same. (cont)
I don´t have cromorne 8 foot as well, but only a very strange and untuned basson which I didnt want to use, which means I don´t have small chorus as well. By the way, there is no principal 8 as well as tierce on the small chorus. It is not a question of fighting to the death with this subject but a question of to accept or not the limitations of this instrument for french music.
Well, we play with the stops we have... and that´s for sure the best combination for this piece where you need for sure two keyboards...
In these types of organs you don´t have plein jeu or grand jeu. You have Mixture with 4, 5 or 6 ranks and that´s it... You have to adapt the piece you have for the instrument you have!
Muito bom Couperin. Nuno Maria, um dia tens que tocar para mim! Chico.
chicomanel 3 years ago
E que tal o meu nome certo? É mais Miguel do que Maria :P
harpsinuno 3 years ago
My hands aren't big enough to play everything that's written only in the manuals...So, maybe we have to use the pedalboard in some sections, right?
geheimnisvolle 3 years ago
My hands very small as well. I play somethings in the pedal. Coupering writes it as well. It´s more or less up to you to use the pedal in some sections. It has to be used with taste also.
harpsinuno 3 years ago
In spite of the stops used, I did like your playing. This is not a very easy work...
geheimnisvolle 3 years ago
It has reeds... it is a dutch organ with portuguese caracteristics:
- 1 - Positive: basson 8 (horizontal) >>> sounds very bad on this music
- 2 - Principal: clarim 8 and trompa magna 16 (both horizontal) >>> only suitable for portuguese music because both sound too strange on french music
- 3 - recitative: out of question, but it has only krumhorn 16
- 4 - eco: not suitable for this music as well, but anyway it has regal 8 and dulçaina 16 (horizontal)
Really strange in fact...
harpsinuno 4 years ago
and no 16 foot principals or bourdons except quintaton 16 in the second keyboard (main)...
recitative with only one mixtur with 2 ranks...
no principal 8 on the positive, just bourdon and quintaton...
it is more or less a german organ with portuguese reeds from the XVIIIth century
harpsinuno 4 years ago
The closing measures, with horizontal reeds, sounds fine, so I can't believe he couldn't have found useable grand jeu combinations for the appropriate sections.
Rankett16 2 years ago
In fact these organ has just one or two mixtures. It is half german baroque and half romantic but without the french reeds on the recitative specially. If we analyse the instrument, this is a good instrument to play... almost nothing! You can play iberian music without splited keyboards, you can play some bach and you can play early romantic music. More than that you really need to make a lot of comprimises...
harpsinuno 2 years ago
I don't mean to beat this subject to death, but your responses to the question of why grands jeux were not used in the dialogue sections indicates that perhaps you are aware that the grand jeu should be dominated by brilliant reeds and that mixtures are specifically to be excluded. The big chorus should have Trompettes 8 & 4 plus Prestant 4 and Cornet or Tierce. The small chorus may be based on Cromorne 8 and perhaps Prestant 4 and Tierce or Sesquilatera. No mixtures are called for.
Rankett16 2 years ago
I know quite well what should be the registration of this piece. What I said is:
I doni´t have trompet 4 in the organ, I have trompet 8 but just horizontal and it doesnt sound french at all, so I used what the organ had in order to play this piece the best as possible for that instrument in particular... So, let´s say that I don´t have stops for what is called "grands jeux". About small chorus it happens exactly the same. (cont)
harpsinuno 2 years ago
I don´t have cromorne 8 foot as well, but only a very strange and untuned basson which I didnt want to use, which means I don´t have small chorus as well. By the way, there is no principal 8 as well as tierce on the small chorus. It is not a question of fighting to the death with this subject but a question of to accept or not the limitations of this instrument for french music.
harpsinuno 2 years ago
That's no Grand Jeu!!!
christiand84 4 years ago
Well, we play with the stops we have... and that´s for sure the best combination for this piece where you need for sure two keyboards...
In these types of organs you don´t have plein jeu or grand jeu. You have Mixture with 4, 5 or 6 ranks and that´s it... You have to adapt the piece you have for the instrument you have!
harpsinuno 4 years ago
4 Manuals and no Reeds? Strange Organ.
christiand84 4 years ago