Well this is a fight in Brazil, and BJJ had already been around for a loooong time. That's a young Wanderlei Silva dishing out the punishment there, and Mr. Axe Murderer was quite familiar what he was up against.
BJJ does not suck. Improper application of techniques, a more athletic opponent who studies BJJ as well, and a host of other reasons can be the reason for losing a fight, but that does not mean the art sucks. I'd still take BJJ over any other at or as a base for MMA training. BJJ haters love posting shit like this and use it as proof of BJJ's ineffectivneness. They probably study other really ineffective arts, like karate.
@cfrancisco74 karate you moron is effective look at machida or rpg two legends in mma so karate doesn't sucks you sucks and the moron who posted this video to prove that bjj is not effective sucks.
@momo200090 So that's ur argument Machida & rpg (whoever that is). Is that it? nybody else u care to name? Bcoz if that is it u have a weak argument. If u want to talk MMA & BJJ almost EVERY fighter has to have atleast some knowledge of juijitsu to be successful in the ring. The basics of MMA r Jujiitsu, kickboxing / muy thai, boxing & wrestling. Karate? not so much. Machida is the exeption, not the rule. & look what happened to machida vs jones. Exactly.
Sure all martial arts r great when u have been training for years believing lies & thinking u are learnng to defend ur self. Then 1 day u get into a fight & the bullshit kicks & punches & tiger claws u learned from some sensei who has probably never been in a real fight DOES NOT WORK! Then a week later u start learning TESTED & PROVEN techniques (ie BJJ). Sure all martial arts r great. Just not in a real fight! BITCH!
@cfrancisco74 you ignorant bitch !! all martial arts are usefull what would a bjj guy do against more fighters ??? bjj and all the other grapling arts are good at 1 vs 1 fight.
striking arts are better if you are fighting more than 1 fighter.
@momo200090 REALLY?! Karate would work against multple attakers? These guys cant handle 1 guy. WHAT THE FUCK MAKES U THINK THEY COULD HANDLE MORE????? AND IF WHAT U R SAYING IS TRUE WHY IS THERE NO 1 VS 2,3,4,5,28 KARATE TOURNAMENTS? WOW & u r calling me ignorant? U r GULLIBLE. PLS bjj has as much a chance vs multi attacks as anyone. It is a losing proposition. U watch too many kung fu films!
Is ur idea of having a life starting comment fights on Youtube? A PRETTY SAD LIFE. KARATE BOY!
@cfrancisco74 i'm not even practicing karate i'm a judo white belt and a wrestler but i know what you mean sport karate sucks but not kyokushin or shotokan karate.
i know kyokushin karate it's full-contact it's more like kick box.
do you know k-1 ? all the champs in k-1 are kyokushin/muay thai guys.
@momo200090 Not only do I know of kyokushin, but I practiced it for 2 years. We r in agreement here kyokushin is a more hard style karate. GSP & Dolph Lungren have blk belts in the art. BTW when asked about his Expendables cast mates Randy Couture said Dolph was the realest of the lot. Anyway, after I saw UFC 2 I switched to BJJ (well, 1st japanesse style, until I found a bjj instructor). 4 me it is most effective. Other forms of karate / kung fu r 2 fancy & convaluted.
@cfrancisco74 "Karate? not so much. Machida is the exeption, not the rule."
Machida is the exception to the non-Kyokushin Karate in MMA. Kyokushin guys have been well represented since the days of Bas Rutten. GSP is a current champ who has a heavy Kyokushin background. Like 40% of K-1 champs are Kyokushin Karate as well.
@Ljenkins9000 you noticed that all champs have traditional martial arts background, gsp anderson, machida was champ, bas rutten, dos santos is a boxer, boxing n traditional ma are the shit!
@choyleefutkid1 Yeah, after all this time of MMA gyms being around, you would expect to see more people who have trained solely at an MMA gym, but instead most champs come from one or two specialized backgrounds and pick up the rest at an MMA place. Jon Jones is the one exception.
1 bjj guy fails ..... And alot of kickboxers or muay thai fighters fail.... Against bjj! Come touch me and ill make you sleep in a hospital! Bjj! For life! Like if you agree!
for the record, its on tape. The interval was supposed to be 60 seconds long, and it actually was 65. I dont think that was a massive advantage to clay/ disadvantage to cooper
People will use video's like this to put down one fighting art or another. The plain fact is that even the greatest fighters don't always get it right every time. A mistimed shoot, punch, kick, being slightly off your game, and even the best can get caught. One of the most famous boxing knockdowns was done by Henry Cooper on the jaw of the then Cassius Clay. Cooper wasn't in the same class as Ali, but he still knocked him down (admitedly Ali went on to win the fight).
@pablohanc Ali only won the fight because he was given smelling salts and an extra long break between the rounds, it was highly illegal, Cooper was robbed
@davmeva Possibly, but it doesn't change the fact that in 2 fights, cooper was completely outclassed by Ali. A young inexperienced Ali got knocked down not due to cooper being great, but for himslef being careless, which youthful big heads quite often are. Doesn't alter the fact that Ali was in a different class to Cooper. Also, no one know what would have happened had Ali come out after the standard break, he may still have gone on to win the fight. To say he wouldn't is purely speculation.
All modern mma fighters train in bjj or some form of ground fighting (including the guy who won this fight), which is why videos like this are so fucking stupid. The "bjj guy" lost because he was too one dimensional and couldnt handle him on the feet. BJJ doesn't suck, being a one dimensional fighter in a multi dimensional fight does.
@navyteccs it shows a bjj guy attempting a takedown, and the takedown failed, and the bjj guy was defeated. Just like with everything else, it is not the art, it is the artist. If you have a gun, and I just have a katana, but you can't aim your gun, and I am an expert with the katana, I win. ;-)
@Boriskordic bjj doesn't suck. it's dangerous martial arts there is... if only you mix it with other stand up martial art. look at the some of the best mma fighters. fedor emelianenko, shinya aoki, bj penn. they all use a lot of jiu jitsu.
only if you're REALLY good at jiu jitsu, then you can start inflicting some serious damage to the other guy
@AZNboi10921 No, you got me wrong. I also use to train bjj, I know what that is. I just sead that it's fail to say that bjj sucks. And Shinya is combo of judo/bjj, Fedor judo/sambo, BJ Penn stand up/bjj. It's tru art of fighting in groud, but there is people that made clips like BJJ SUCKS. Obvioustly have no fucking idea what that is
for all those out there so keep saying whats better than what firstly no style is the best hands down it's all about the fighter. But krav maga (or how ever you spell it the isrealy army martial art) is one of the best for street fighting in my opinion. and i thing catch wrestling is good for a ground game or brazillian jujitzu for submissions
@alexhackett93 nope. even street fighting has rules. you don't kick the balls. krav maga is made for war and meant to KILL. in a street fight, you don't kill.
@AZNboi10921 lol street fights have rules? Lol yea say that when that really angry guy decides to poke out your eyes, knee your groin, get his friends to jump in, or pull out a weapon. Then see if a ref is going to come in, stop the fight, and DQ him. You are in a deluded world programed by only what you see on tv. Everyone in the world doesn't play fair otherwise hatred and murder would not exist. Sport and a real fight aren't the same.
@AZNboi10921 Lol I strongly doubt it. Don't know what kind of local half ass gang fights you be in but the ones I know people actually get killed. Apparently, none of your gang fights use weapons, get people jumped, or anything since you're talking nonsense about "street fights have rules".
@AZNboi10921 I'm black and walk through hoods all the time. And here fights aren't even numbered. People get jumped 5 against 1, ambushed, stabbed, etc. So go ahead and play "gang" meeting in an area without your fair numbers and rules. The whole world doesn't work like that and you and whatever weak area you live in apparently don't know what real fights are and how easy your life can be taken away. FYI, I'm not acting tough. I'm acting smart just the same as how I fight unlike you dimwit.
@tman229 bro, if you're thinking people here don't get jumped or get gangbanged then you're fucking out of your mind. it's just that the police here are fucking strong as hell so no one here is stupid enough to kill someone or stab someone. we label which gangs are better fighters than each other by organizing rumbles where the police don't come.
@AZNboi10921 Lol some funny stuff I'm hearing. Gangs that's actually afraid of police? Ok, whatever you say man. I give up. You win. Have fun with your gang fights.
@tman229 holy shit the gangs in your town must be fucking down syndromes. because of the gangs the police is fucking strong as shit. bet your police are fat fuckers and your "gangs" fucking stupid inbred waste of a human being.
@AZNboi10921 lol no man. You don't know what your talking about. Police are the same all around. Police go down harder on gangs the more probamatic they might be but despite that gangs adapt and continue which is what criminal minds generally do. I think you need to travel more man because your mind set is local and a bit too naive. No point in arguing any further because you won't get it till you find out the hard way.
go take a police in let's say.... a town like Livingston. the police there can't fucking fight. it's a fucking nice town with nice people with no crime happening there. now go to newark. those police are fucking badass like the ones in philidelphia bitch. i'm not saying police go "harder" on them it's just that the police in my town are fucking badass too motherfucker.
@AZNboi10921 i know what it's used for =). and in a real street fight there are NO rules thats why they are street fights and you dont have to kill the guy lol
fuck u! u suck you stupid bitches if u put hexon gracy in there he would kick that guys ass and if bjj is so stupid than how come no fighting stile has ever defeated the gracie challenge and i would kick your any day with just newsing bjj
stupid fuck, they both know bjj and striking.... its just that wanderlei is on his gorilla killer mode... nothing to do with bjj..... its just about being a relentless fighter
This is as silly as posting a video saying "Muay Thai sucks" then having a clip of a thai boxer being taken down in the middle of throwing a high kick
Muay Thai is the best MA of all standing MAs and BJJ at grapling/ground but both are equally weak in that they either lack striking or graple/ground techniques respectively. Thats why I think, unless youre planning to go Pro in one, you should do a bit of both if you want to do Martial Arts just for the sake or self defense.
@jjjaaaccckkk They use about the same techniques...the head used outside of competition. The difference is that Muay Thai is well established as a sport with big time athletes. When that happens, to be the best, you must be really good because of all the professional fighters you must go through. Cambodia, Laos, and Myanmar does not have the same structure. So you only test yourself in one village or town. It's like you must face NBA quality players if you want to get good at basketball.
@EngineerAfghan it is still the practitioner that makes the difference. If you do MT poorly you will lose to BJJ; if you do BJJ poorly you will lose to MT. If you do MT poorly you will lose to TKD. It is all about the fighter.
@neutrino78x You can find plenty of video's online of black belt's in various arts losing to white belts in jiu jitsu. Bjj is simply a more well rounded sport.
@neutrino78x If you had read the earlier comments, you'd realize that the bjj fighter is actually fighting a bjj black belt. I'm sure you'd have lots of problems finding a Karate black belt that isn't actually good at what they do. So try and explain to me how a bjj white belt can defeat a black belt of various arts as I have seen multiple times and is very well known. I know you want to believe so bad that it's simply do to the will of the fighter. But it isn't.
@55jacos there are studios where you get a karate black belt in 1 year, so that would be a black belt who is not a real black belt. regardless, it is clear that if the karate person is quick enough or skilled enough, they could defeat the BJJ person. We see in this video someone attempting a bjj takedown, and they are not successful, and the other person wins with strikes. So a karate person could win that way just as easily.
@DuykRuyk Well if you are fighting a bigger stronger opponent you are going to be at a disadvantage if you decide to stand and trade punches. Ground fighting/grappling techniques can help mitigate that size and strength difference.
@BandakaKush The same could be said of ground game if I fight a bigger guy. I've gone against some people that are 250+ and they are fucking hard to grapple with due to their shear size. So I'd just stay standing and fight dirty in a street fight. But its a one on one match in the ring I'm going for the ground game.
@bassplayer18a7x8 A trained man fighting an untrained man will almost always result in the trained man winning. That has nothing to do with BJJ. Any fighter from any martial art will most likely win against an untrained man. BJJ is useless, deal with it.
@bassplayer18a7x8 I'll agree. Any person trained how to fight even in sport or other will usually win but they wont be as effective as someone trained in Self Defense or Military martial arts.
1 - JiuJitsu is the most effective martial art on the planet , its wins 99% of the time .. and im not saying 100% , let me set this straight , there is no martial art , what so ever , better or more effective than JiuJitsu
2- rolling on concrete i have done that , in fact i have fought ALLOT on the streets, (and the street floor is supposed to hurt more than concrete) , when your in a fight you dont feel the pain of the floor , the adrenaline makes you ignore it .. if your a real fighter.
@Papillonmx its not the art only , as you should always remember : its also the FIGHTER himself .
if its a good fighter , he shouldnt in the first place get hit be that kick , but lets say he did , he gets rocked he will get hold of the other guy by any means , when he does , he can take him down , or hold to him untill he recovers ... or if very rocked , pull guard and submitt the shit outta him.
dont argue , go try jiujitsu , comeback three months later , and thumb up my comment ;)
@TheDeathTriangle BJJ or JJ??? I thing Brazilian is the best... Yeah, what a shame: I used to admire all the tradicional Martial Artists: Van Damme, Nico, etc., but now I see that only works on the movies
BJJ is a sport based martial art that has removed most of it's combat elements like Ne Waza. Japanese Jujitsu is a combat based martial art that has been proven in war for hundreds of years. It's the practioner not the style, just find the best martial arts school in your neighborhood and train no matter what martial art it is. All arts have a good benefit.
I hate to argue with you but Muay Boran is a style. It was the original Muay Thai and used by Thai warriors for hundreds of years. Muay Boran was just changed to a more spectator friendly style with less lethal strikes and techniques. It was mostly because Thai people wanted a sport to bet on. Same thing as Judo, Kano Jigoro created a simplified version of Jujitsu so it could be taught in Japanese schools. Ask any Muay Thai teacher and they will tell you the same.
Okay. I've never heard that before. I was told Muay Boran by Richard Bustillo and Dan Inosanto when i was a teenager like 20 years ago at the IMB Academy in Torrance CA. When I taught there in my mid twenties that is what I read and we told students. I just assumed that was correct coming from two of the most famous instructors in the world but I certainly can be wrong. It wouldn't be the first time. Either way, good talk. Best of luck in your training.
@Tarc5150 IMB! That is impressive. What i have said though, is true. But Dan and Richard would be using the more modern verse of the history of the martial art.
I agree. Some of the greatest martial artist I have ever known you will never hear of. Sifu/Guro/Kru Bustillo has been a mentor off and on for several decades. I hope one day to be a certified instructor in JKD and open my own school as a side business. I have a great job but I would love to teach again if only for fun. I'm healing from a hernia surgery right now but I'm told I can go back in December. You can get spoiled living in LA being a martial artist :) Best of luck..
@Papillonmx Which videos and sports? Again, SPORT does not equal real fighting. BJJ wont win in a REAL fight. atleast not this watered down version we see on the internet.
@mrkiky Well at least he's right. BJJ does suck! It's a good sport art but that's it. And the worst part is how they're spreading their bullshit around and people are getting fooled into learning it instead of doing practical arts for self defense.
@DestroyerAlexandros lol I dunno, some things are practical but you have to adapt it for a street fight and not use it like you use it in a grappling match or cage fight.
@mrkiky Yeah I agree some things are practical. For example the trips from your back and the leg locks they can be really useful as a last resort. Or for example the armbar from mount. If you have good striking and some bum attacks you and you drop him, you can stand over him and armbar him. Very useful. But their whole attitude like "Our sport is king of real fighting" it's just annoying.
@DestroyerAlexandros Yea true...and you always see "bjj vs whatever" videos showing a guy that gets instantly put on the ground, and supposedly he's a practitioner of some art and that art is clearly inferior to bjj. And even "bjj vs bodybuilder"...I mean come on...
@DestroyerAlexandros Leg locks don't have to be viewed as useful as last resort. They can also be useful from "anywhere", depends on the practisioner. You perhaps already know this but you prefer them as a last resort.
I don't think the point of bjj is to be fun to watch. The whole point of it is to win a fight, not look fancy well doing it. I personally do bjj i'm not strong and i weigh 110. It would be stupid for me to sit there and try to out muscle my opponent. But since i do bjj i can take someone that has 50-90 pounds on me.
@YayWaistTime No offense kiddo but no matter how hard you train, unless you're Royce Gracie, you will never beat an opponent that has 50-90 pounds on you.
I wouldn't go as far to say BJJ sucks. I mean I do have Purple Belt in it but that's no real impressive I'm sure to most. What i would like to see is what happens when these BJJ techniques are used on the street. Rolling around on concrete hurts and every video I see is on a padded matt. I've seen tons of street fights but never once seen two guys rolling on the concrete for 2 minutes. Fun art to study though, in the right school.
Yah I didn't want to say it but yah it does look very gay sometimes. (Let the hate responses come) Not to mention very boring to watch. I studied it learned what I wanted, mostly how to get out of a mount but the classes were gross. Rolling for 45 minutes with other sweaty men is not very fun.
@Tarc5150 yea rolling saturday night in the streets on broken bottles head slams on pavement while his buddys crush your head with massive stomp kicks.
bjj is a superb sport and can work in a fair 1 on 1 but its nothing for the streets where no rules are the way to go
@Tarc5150 Im glad you see one of bjj's weak points, after all, your surroundings also have to do with a fight, even military uses that strategy. Although, glass, concrete, metal, can be pretty damaging. Don't get me wrong, I love jiu jitsu because it's unique in it's own way, and I hope to practice it sometime in the future.
@Tarc5150 yeah, but bjj has standing self defense moves too. i mean, if there's a bunch of guys around, they can be used to make sure you arent being held and punched in the face..other than that..you're right. ive only used bjj once in a fight, and that was 1 on 1. good point, and im off to muay thai.ha.
I agree and well said. The last fight I was in about 9 years ago I threw the guy with a wristlock (kotegashi). My ultimate point is it's a good complimentary art but not the ultimate art like advertised by so many of these McDojo's everywhere. I love Muay Thai as well. Be careful though, I've got arthritis and calcium deposits from all the kicks and strikes over the years of Muay Thai and I'm only 35. Best of luck with your training.
I agree mostly. Anybody well trained in any art can use a martial art for self defense. I think the reason we see Muay Thai and BJJ so widely used in MMA is they are sport versions of there original art forms. If people used Muay Boran or real Japanese Jujitsu, fights would be over in ten seconds which doesn't make for a very long fight card. Who would pay $50 to watch a UFC event if it was over in 20-30 minutes, instead we get 3 hours of entertainment. Which is great.
I love sports but MMA is a sport. It's the same thng with boxing, if they took the gloves off and fought barehanded somebody would probably get killed in the first round.
@thatkindofguy234 BJJ and sport BJJ are two different things. I wouldn't recommend using deep half guard or the turtle position, for example, outside of sport BJJ. The heart of BJJ is purely self defense. Close the distance, achieve a clinch (not shoot) take the fight to the ground, achieve a dominant position and finish. An attacker is not going to dance around just throwing punches and kicks. I will have outrun him by then anyway, these days he's surely got a gun so just give him your wallet
@Tarc5150 It works also in a street fight but only against one person.. If you practice solely BJJ and you are in a street fight against more than one you should definitely think of getting into a fight maturely.. :)
@solistas95 If I am in a street fight with more than one person, I will first look to run and if that is not an option I would then look to finding a weapon. First I want a realistic explanation on why I would be fending off multiple attackers when I never look for trouble. Then I want to know what martial arts are supposedly better at taking out multiple attackers than single opponents? If you can't beat one guy, what makes you proficient at taking out three? Seriously............
Yah I would agree many do end up on the ground. However, that doesn't mean both people do. As far as GJJ or BJJ goes I think it's a great art to study as a supplemental art. My point is watch these videos of BJJ or MMA fights and all are in a ring on 2-3" of foam like we train on. It won't happen but I would like to see a UFC fight card on concrete. If you are going to sprawl or try and shoot an attackers legs on anyting other than a mat or grass you are more likely to do more
damage to yourself than the guy you are fighting. If you shhot somebodys legs on asphalt or concrete your legs, knees, elbows, etc are going to come crashing don on a hard surface. Usually inflicting more damage to yourself than the guy attacking you. i personally look to train for streetfighting or reality based MA. MMA and the UFC is not reality. I would rather parry and punch or use something simple like a hip throw and let the ground do the damage to my opponent. Best of luck.
@Tarc5150 if it was a street fight and the guy knows jiu jitsu and the other does not its going to be no less than 40 seconds ... jiu jitsu gives you a real view of what fighting is your not going to roll on the floor in a street fight ... your going to take him down choke him or kick him in the head its simple. or just punch the guy if he doesnt stop from that then use your skills.
I agree with you. The problem is BJJ is getting so watered down that instructors are Blue or Purple Belts in most schools and they are leaving out valuable lessons. Like stand up grappling, throws, and strikes (ne waza). Most want there students to believe that they can shoot the legs and come down with an opponet like we do on the mat. This is part of the reason the Gracies have now created Gracie combatives program and Pedro Sauer preaches this in his seminars.
It's good too see some of the top schools are taking a long hard look and saying we are skipping lots of Carlos Gracie Sr. original style. Which had a lot more elements from Judo and traditional Jujitsu. I think it's great. Don't you?
@Tarc5150 chances are you wouldn't be rolling on concrete for 2 minutes... against someone who has no clue what they are doing, i'm sure you'd be able to choke them out in seconds. i practice muay thai myself and i honestly fear the thought of facing someone who practices bjj on the street, it only takes one mistake for me to end up on the ground, and i'd have no clue what to do when that happens.
Yah you would think so I would think most martial artist who have studied any art for a few years could do that. My point in the comment, is that BJJ is very popular now. We have tons of watered down McDojo like schools that skip the basic throws, chokes while standing, and joint locks. Many are taught by blue belts and go straight to the ground. Any well trained Jiu-Jitsu practioner should be able to use leverage for a throw and let the ground do the damage or apply a wrist lock.
No reason to go to the ground if you can avoid it. Many schools skip over the original elements of Gracie Jiu-Jitsu which had all the throws from Judo. Anyways, I hope that makes more sense now. Best of luck in your training. I dig Muay Thai, check out Kali/Escrima if you haven't already. It will compliment your Muay thai training very well.
@Tarc5150 Come to a Behring Jiu-Jitsu Club. We know how to handle stand-up, judo, and BJJ. There you will see how Helio wanted BJJ to be and not in a sport aspect... (even though we still kick ass in tournaments!!!)
Thanks and good for you and your school. I appreciate it but I'm in Los Angeles not Canada. I'm happy to hear your school has good instruction, I was referring to the McDojo's we have in LA. I have 4 MMA gyms within 5 minutes of my home and not a single on has an instructor with a blackbelt, the highest is in BJJ a purple belt. Sad if you ask me. Yet we have Kodokan Judo ten minutes away with 8 black belts as high as 7th degree teaching, same thing at Orange County Aiki Kai.
Thanks, I got mine in about 18 months. I'm trying to become a certified Jeet Kune Do instructor and we know are required to be at a brown belt level to be certified amongst other things. In all fairness, I was already studying martial arts for 18 years when I was introduced to BJJ.
that's great! Make sure your instructor is a black belt or higher and they are teaching throws, wrist locks, etc and not just ground fighting. Many schools skip right past the stand up and go straight to the ground, true Gracie Jiu-Jitsu should have lots of throws and wristlocks. Best of luck in your training.
@daveshow58 i was wondering if that was wanderlai when he was young.they are using a bjj guy getting killed by one of the greatest mma fighters ever to show how much bjj sucks.wanderlai would have walked through anyone no matter what their fighting style bach then.
go strikeing
FistoftheIronDragon 3 weeks ago
Well this is a fight in Brazil, and BJJ had already been around for a loooong time. That's a young Wanderlei Silva dishing out the punishment there, and Mr. Axe Murderer was quite familiar what he was up against.
amazinazihn 4 weeks ago
Um... did anyone see an attempted shoot in there?
Me neither. Guy who posted this vid = retard?
IronMongoose1 1 month ago
Pointless account is pointless.
alex9033 1 month ago
BJJ does not suck. Improper application of techniques, a more athletic opponent who studies BJJ as well, and a host of other reasons can be the reason for losing a fight, but that does not mean the art sucks. I'd still take BJJ over any other at or as a base for MMA training. BJJ haters love posting shit like this and use it as proof of BJJ's ineffectivneness. They probably study other really ineffective arts, like karate.
cfrancisco74 1 month ago
@cfrancisco74 karate you moron is effective look at machida or rpg two legends in mma so karate doesn't sucks you sucks and the moron who posted this video to prove that bjj is not effective sucks.
momo200090 1 month ago
@momo200090 So that's ur argument Machida & rpg (whoever that is). Is that it? nybody else u care to name? Bcoz if that is it u have a weak argument. If u want to talk MMA & BJJ almost EVERY fighter has to have atleast some knowledge of juijitsu to be successful in the ring. The basics of MMA r Jujiitsu, kickboxing / muy thai, boxing & wrestling. Karate? not so much. Machida is the exeption, not the rule. & look what happened to machida vs jones. Exactly.
I may suck, but u swallow, bitch!
cfrancisco74 1 month ago
@cfrancisco74 you bitch !!! i never said bjj sucks i said you sucks and the moron sucks who made this video.
all martial arts are great bjj,judo,wrestling,kick/thai/box,karate,kungfu,takwondo,etc.
momo200090 1 month ago
@momo200090 And I said u swallow, bitch.
Sure all martial arts r great when u have been training for years believing lies & thinking u are learnng to defend ur self. Then 1 day u get into a fight & the bullshit kicks & punches & tiger claws u learned from some sensei who has probably never been in a real fight DOES NOT WORK! Then a week later u start learning TESTED & PROVEN techniques (ie BJJ). Sure all martial arts r great. Just not in a real fight! BITCH!
cfrancisco74 1 month ago
@cfrancisco74 you ignorant bitch !! all martial arts are usefull what would a bjj guy do against more fighters ??? bjj and all the other grapling arts are good at 1 vs 1 fight.
striking arts are better if you are fighting more than 1 fighter.
think about it bitch !! and get a life.
momo200090 1 month ago
@momo200090 REALLY?! Karate would work against multple attakers? These guys cant handle 1 guy. WHAT THE FUCK MAKES U THINK THEY COULD HANDLE MORE????? AND IF WHAT U R SAYING IS TRUE WHY IS THERE NO 1 VS 2,3,4,5,28 KARATE TOURNAMENTS? WOW & u r calling me ignorant? U r GULLIBLE. PLS bjj has as much a chance vs multi attacks as anyone. It is a losing proposition. U watch too many kung fu films!
Is ur idea of having a life starting comment fights on Youtube? A PRETTY SAD LIFE. KARATE BOY!
cfrancisco74 1 month ago
@cfrancisco74 i'm not even practicing karate i'm a judo white belt and a wrestler but i know what you mean sport karate sucks but not kyokushin or shotokan karate.
i know kyokushin karate it's full-contact it's more like kick box.
do you know k-1 ? all the champs in k-1 are kyokushin/muay thai guys.
momo200090 1 month ago
@momo200090 Not only do I know of kyokushin, but I practiced it for 2 years. We r in agreement here kyokushin is a more hard style karate. GSP & Dolph Lungren have blk belts in the art. BTW when asked about his Expendables cast mates Randy Couture said Dolph was the realest of the lot. Anyway, after I saw UFC 2 I switched to BJJ (well, 1st japanesse style, until I found a bjj instructor). 4 me it is most effective. Other forms of karate / kung fu r 2 fancy & convaluted.
cfrancisco74 1 month ago
@cfrancisco74 well then OSU !!!
best mma styles (i think) are:bjj,kick/thai/box,kyokushin,wrestling,judo,sambo etc.
momo200090 1 month ago
@cfrancisco74 "Karate? not so much. Machida is the exeption, not the rule."
Machida is the exception to the non-Kyokushin Karate in MMA. Kyokushin guys have been well represented since the days of Bas Rutten. GSP is a current champ who has a heavy Kyokushin background. Like 40% of K-1 champs are Kyokushin Karate as well.
Ljenkins9000 3 weeks ago
@Ljenkins9000 you noticed that all champs have traditional martial arts background, gsp anderson, machida was champ, bas rutten, dos santos is a boxer, boxing n traditional ma are the shit!
choyleefutkid1 1 day ago
@choyleefutkid1 Yeah, after all this time of MMA gyms being around, you would expect to see more people who have trained solely at an MMA gym, but instead most champs come from one or two specialized backgrounds and pick up the rest at an MMA place. Jon Jones is the one exception.
Ljenkins9000 18 hours ago
@Ljenkins9000 fuck jones
choyleefutkid1 18 hours ago
what is BJJ?
whothefkamiwatching 2 months ago
1 bjj guy fails ..... And alot of kickboxers or muay thai fighters fail.... Against bjj! Come touch me and ill make you sleep in a hospital! Bjj! For life! Like if you agree!
ADIGAFIGHTER12246 2 months ago
I know
Skullcrusher990 1 month ago
So when 1 guy fails .. doesnt mean BJJ sucks. Pussy ass faggots lol
AndaluciaMaria 2 months ago
you recorded this with a potato didn't you?
chanamontri 2 months ago
THE GUY DOING THE DAMAGE IS A BJJ BLACK BELT YOU DOUCHENOZZLE
dsoyful 2 months ago
pelotudo los dos son de BJJ
Maximoandii 2 months ago
ok muay thai will win but if the BJJ guy takes him down it is a different story
yessir2129 2 months ago
lmao at the end the guy in the suit grabs his arm asif the fool out the ring as hurt him hahahahahha he got battered
ItsDatGirlJordz 3 months ago
@davmeva @pablohanc
for the record, its on tape. The interval was supposed to be 60 seconds long, and it actually was 65. I dont think that was a massive advantage to clay/ disadvantage to cooper
A9019047 3 months ago
People will use video's like this to put down one fighting art or another. The plain fact is that even the greatest fighters don't always get it right every time. A mistimed shoot, punch, kick, being slightly off your game, and even the best can get caught. One of the most famous boxing knockdowns was done by Henry Cooper on the jaw of the then Cassius Clay. Cooper wasn't in the same class as Ali, but he still knocked him down (admitedly Ali went on to win the fight).
pablohanc 3 months ago 3
@pablohanc Ali only won the fight because he was given smelling salts and an extra long break between the rounds, it was highly illegal, Cooper was robbed
davmeva 3 months ago
@davmeva Possibly, but it doesn't change the fact that in 2 fights, cooper was completely outclassed by Ali. A young inexperienced Ali got knocked down not due to cooper being great, but for himslef being careless, which youthful big heads quite often are. Doesn't alter the fact that Ali was in a different class to Cooper. Also, no one know what would have happened had Ali come out after the standard break, he may still have gone on to win the fight. To say he wouldn't is purely speculation.
pablohanc 3 months ago
The guy who was is a brazilian jui jitsu black belt as well. Poster = Retard.
buffmedic01 3 months ago
All modern mma fighters train in bjj or some form of ground fighting (including the guy who won this fight), which is why videos like this are so fucking stupid. The "bjj guy" lost because he was too one dimensional and couldnt handle him on the feet. BJJ doesn't suck, being a one dimensional fighter in a multi dimensional fight does.
crazyjames1233 4 months ago 15
This is what happens when referee is a retard
SiniyShar 4 months ago
That's why we DON'T fail the shoot ;)
Iwishiwerethird 4 months ago
what bjj means?????
15551cue 4 months ago
@15551cue Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
j4allen 4 months ago
sawed off shotgun vs bjj nuff said
DjRodimusPrimeXyZ 4 months ago
what does this have to do with bjj?
navyteccs 4 months ago
@navyteccs it shows a bjj guy attempting a takedown, and the takedown failed, and the bjj guy was defeated. Just like with everything else, it is not the art, it is the artist. If you have a gun, and I just have a katana, but you can't aim your gun, and I am an expert with the katana, I win. ;-)
neutrino78x 4 months ago
The guy sead it. It's fucking Wanderlei Silva and he's black belt in bjj. BJJ SUCKS - FAIL
Boriskordic 4 months ago
@Boriskordic bjj doesn't suck. it's dangerous martial arts there is... if only you mix it with other stand up martial art. look at the some of the best mma fighters. fedor emelianenko, shinya aoki, bj penn. they all use a lot of jiu jitsu.
only if you're REALLY good at jiu jitsu, then you can start inflicting some serious damage to the other guy
AZNboi10921 4 months ago
@AZNboi10921 No, you got me wrong. I also use to train bjj, I know what that is. I just sead that it's fail to say that bjj sucks. And Shinya is combo of judo/bjj, Fedor judo/sambo, BJ Penn stand up/bjj. It's tru art of fighting in groud, but there is people that made clips like BJJ SUCKS. Obvioustly have no fucking idea what that is
Boriskordic 4 months ago
@Boriskordic oh i'm sorry. my b lol. misunderstood your comment
AZNboi10921 4 months ago
@AZNboi10921 never mind. what's imoprtant is that asshole is wrong when he made this clip :)
Boriskordic 4 months ago
for all those out there so keep saying whats better than what firstly no style is the best hands down it's all about the fighter. But krav maga (or how ever you spell it the isrealy army martial art) is one of the best for street fighting in my opinion. and i thing catch wrestling is good for a ground game or brazillian jujitzu for submissions
alexhackett93 5 months ago
@alexhackett93 nope. even street fighting has rules. you don't kick the balls. krav maga is made for war and meant to KILL. in a street fight, you don't kill.
AZNboi10921 5 months ago
@AZNboi10921 lol street fights have rules? Lol yea say that when that really angry guy decides to poke out your eyes, knee your groin, get his friends to jump in, or pull out a weapon. Then see if a ref is going to come in, stop the fight, and DQ him. You are in a deluded world programed by only what you see on tv. Everyone in the world doesn't play fair otherwise hatred and murder would not exist. Sport and a real fight aren't the same.
tman229 4 months ago
@tman229 lmfao. i'm in a deluded world programmed by only what i see on tv?
fuck you. i've been in more gang fights and rumbles than you've seen little fuck.
AZNboi10921 4 months ago
@AZNboi10921 Lol I strongly doubt it. Don't know what kind of local half ass gang fights you be in but the ones I know people actually get killed. Apparently, none of your gang fights use weapons, get people jumped, or anything since you're talking nonsense about "street fights have rules".
tman229 4 months ago
@tman229 lmfao. stop acting so tough. i could fucking beat the shit out of your white ass old cheeseball motherfucker. our fights are 30 vs 30 bitch
AZNboi10921 4 months ago
@AZNboi10921 I'm black and walk through hoods all the time. And here fights aren't even numbered. People get jumped 5 against 1, ambushed, stabbed, etc. So go ahead and play "gang" meeting in an area without your fair numbers and rules. The whole world doesn't work like that and you and whatever weak area you live in apparently don't know what real fights are and how easy your life can be taken away. FYI, I'm not acting tough. I'm acting smart just the same as how I fight unlike you dimwit.
tman229 4 months ago
@tman229 bro, if you're thinking people here don't get jumped or get gangbanged then you're fucking out of your mind. it's just that the police here are fucking strong as hell so no one here is stupid enough to kill someone or stab someone. we label which gangs are better fighters than each other by organizing rumbles where the police don't come.
AZNboi10921 4 months ago
@AZNboi10921 Lol some funny stuff I'm hearing. Gangs that's actually afraid of police? Ok, whatever you say man. I give up. You win. Have fun with your gang fights.
tman229 4 months ago
@tman229 holy shit the gangs in your town must be fucking down syndromes. because of the gangs the police is fucking strong as shit. bet your police are fat fuckers and your "gangs" fucking stupid inbred waste of a human being.
AZNboi10921 4 months ago
@AZNboi10921 lol no man. You don't know what your talking about. Police are the same all around. Police go down harder on gangs the more probamatic they might be but despite that gangs adapt and continue which is what criminal minds generally do. I think you need to travel more man because your mind set is local and a bit too naive. No point in arguing any further because you won't get it till you find out the hard way.
tman229 4 months ago
@tman229 police are same all around? LOL
go take a police in let's say.... a town like Livingston. the police there can't fucking fight. it's a fucking nice town with nice people with no crime happening there. now go to newark. those police are fucking badass like the ones in philidelphia bitch. i'm not saying police go "harder" on them it's just that the police in my town are fucking badass too motherfucker.
AZNboi10921 4 months ago
@AZNboi10921 FUCK YOU AND THE POLICE IN YOUR FUCKEN TOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
orejassejas 4 months ago
@tman229 I agree 100% tell that to millions of people who stll think the UFC stuff will save them on the street.
marimanque 4 months ago
@marimanque I tried already. They think I'm the one that is naive.
tman229 4 months ago
@AZNboi10921 i know what it's used for =). and in a real street fight there are NO rules thats why they are street fights and you dont have to kill the guy lol
alexhackett93 4 months ago
there would be no ufc, valetudo, pride, strikeforece or mma if it werent for bjj
christophercoltrane 5 months ago
fuck u! u suck you stupid bitches if u put hexon gracy in there he would kick that guys ass and if bjj is so stupid than how come no fighting stile has ever defeated the gracie challenge and i would kick your any day with just newsing bjj
mmaguitardude1 5 months ago
stupid fuck, they both know bjj and striking.... its just that wanderlei is on his gorilla killer mode... nothing to do with bjj..... its just about being a relentless fighter
thebarrochannel 5 months ago
u strikers gotta be lucky for us to fail a takedown
skatzification 5 months ago
@skatzification they both know bjj
thebarrochannel 5 months ago
it's not the style its the person
alexhackett93 5 months ago
@alexhackett93 damn straight bro. :)
neutrino78x 5 months ago
yeah thats Wanderlei Silva, a BJJ Black Belt. and Muay Thai animal. add Muay Thai to your BJJ, keep your game tight
lee11276 5 months ago
every1 who does bjj noes a black belt dont mean shit this proves nun its all about ur instructor and ur skill level
The1JD 6 months ago
@The1JD It's the same with all fighting styles. It's not the art it's all about the fighter, except for Shaolin Kung Fu (very different from Kung Fu)
TheMostOffensiveName 5 months ago
@The1JD it just proves that BJJ is just as vulnerable as any other style of combat.
neutrino78x 5 months ago
This is as silly as posting a video saying "Muay Thai sucks" then having a clip of a thai boxer being taken down in the middle of throwing a high kick
Rapist87 6 months ago
Muay Thai is the best MA of all standing MAs and BJJ at grapling/ground but both are equally weak in that they either lack striking or graple/ground techniques respectively. Thats why I think, unless youre planning to go Pro in one, you should do a bit of both if you want to do Martial Arts just for the sake or self defense.
EngineerAfghan 6 months ago
@EngineerAfghan what makes muay thai better than lethwei, pradal serey, muay lao etc? I think it's just better known
jjjaaaccckkk 5 months ago 5
@jjjaaaccckkk lethwei is prolly the more lethal discipline
weaselpunk 3 months ago
@jjjaaaccckkk They use about the same techniques...the head used outside of competition. The difference is that Muay Thai is well established as a sport with big time athletes. When that happens, to be the best, you must be really good because of all the professional fighters you must go through. Cambodia, Laos, and Myanmar does not have the same structure. So you only test yourself in one village or town. It's like you must face NBA quality players if you want to get good at basketball.
H8lowlives 3 months ago
@EngineerAfghan it is still the practitioner that makes the difference. If you do MT poorly you will lose to BJJ; if you do BJJ poorly you will lose to MT. If you do MT poorly you will lose to TKD. It is all about the fighter.
neutrino78x 5 months ago
@neutrino78x You can find plenty of video's online of black belt's in various arts losing to white belts in jiu jitsu. Bjj is simply a more well rounded sport.
55jacos 5 months ago
@55jacos then how do you explain the video we're commenting on?
neutrino78x 5 months ago
@neutrino78x If you had read the earlier comments, you'd realize that the bjj fighter is actually fighting a bjj black belt. I'm sure you'd have lots of problems finding a Karate black belt that isn't actually good at what they do. So try and explain to me how a bjj white belt can defeat a black belt of various arts as I have seen multiple times and is very well known. I know you want to believe so bad that it's simply do to the will of the fighter. But it isn't.
55jacos 5 months ago
@55jacos there are studios where you get a karate black belt in 1 year, so that would be a black belt who is not a real black belt. regardless, it is clear that if the karate person is quick enough or skilled enough, they could defeat the BJJ person. We see in this video someone attempting a bjj takedown, and they are not successful, and the other person wins with strikes. So a karate person could win that way just as easily.
neutrino78x 5 months ago
Jujitsu can be useful but you should never do it on the ground. It's better to stay standing for street fights.
DuykRuyk 6 months ago
That sounds like Judo to me.
Plato86 5 months ago
@Plato86 Judo is more practical for street fights, but for one on one matches with cages and shit its better to have jujitsu.
DuykRuyk 5 months ago
@DuykRuyk Well if you are fighting a bigger stronger opponent you are going to be at a disadvantage if you decide to stand and trade punches. Ground fighting/grappling techniques can help mitigate that size and strength difference.
BandakaKush 4 months ago
@BandakaKush The same could be said of ground game if I fight a bigger guy. I've gone against some people that are 250+ and they are fucking hard to grapple with due to their shear size. So I'd just stay standing and fight dirty in a street fight. But its a one on one match in the ring I'm going for the ground game.
DuykRuyk 4 months ago
Isn't that Wanderlei Silva in the video? He's a BJJ black belt.
BigolePappy2 6 months ago 29
@BigolePappy2 Yeah Wanndy is a BBJ lol
H1TM4N760 5 months ago
@BigolePappy2 GOOD EYE hahhaaha, this troll totally failed!
joeylz96 4 months ago
you suck balls, big head wanker! Bjj is the best!
kruz200 6 months ago
certainly thought provoking...
BenK8319 6 months ago
BJJ sucks it looks like an mma fight to me wich would mean both of those guy's fighting mosst likely train Jiu-jitsu !
KaVanah4Hashem 6 months ago
this is what happens when you use bjj on the street
watch?v=VmbGZFK6R3E
heavyironmusic 6 months ago
Who's fighting?
Papillonmx 6 months ago
@bassplayer18a7x8 A trained man fighting an untrained man will almost always result in the trained man winning. That has nothing to do with BJJ. Any fighter from any martial art will most likely win against an untrained man. BJJ is useless, deal with it.
Elbottoo 6 months ago
@bassplayer18a7x8 I'll agree. Any person trained how to fight even in sport or other will usually win but they wont be as effective as someone trained in Self Defense or Military martial arts.
hazza3 6 months ago
The truth hurts!!!!!!!
judorican973 6 months ago
wanderlei is trained in bjj.
darklord220 6 months ago
wooo bjj guy lost once again showing its not the style but the fighter and yeah some what the style to when its bjj loosing WOOOOO FUCK YEAHHH WOOOOO
angelloakira 6 months ago
Wouldn't go as far to say BJJ sucks, but that guy got stomped.
Also, extra points for all the buttmad BJJ practitioners making comments.
Ragedhard 6 months ago
for tha cocksucker who made this.get a life
TheBxcn 6 months ago
The Referee sucks i mean did he even try to stop the other fighter when the BJJ dude was behind the ropes?
hazza3 6 months ago
OK :
1 - JiuJitsu is the most effective martial art on the planet , its wins 99% of the time .. and im not saying 100% , let me set this straight , there is no martial art , what so ever , better or more effective than JiuJitsu
2- rolling on concrete i have done that , in fact i have fought ALLOT on the streets, (and the street floor is supposed to hurt more than concrete) , when your in a fight you dont feel the pain of the floor , the adrenaline makes you ignore it .. if your a real fighter.
TheDeathTriangle 7 months ago
@TheDeathTriangle And what do you do when the enemy starts with a very good kick? they're used to break blocks, tables... bones
Papillonmx 7 months ago
@Papillonmx its not the art only , as you should always remember : its also the FIGHTER himself .
if its a good fighter , he shouldnt in the first place get hit be that kick , but lets say he did , he gets rocked he will get hold of the other guy by any means , when he does , he can take him down , or hold to him untill he recovers ... or if very rocked , pull guard and submitt the shit outta him.
dont argue , go try jiujitsu , comeback three months later , and thumb up my comment ;)
TheDeathTriangle 6 months ago
@TheDeathTriangle BJJ or JJ??? I thing Brazilian is the best... Yeah, what a shame: I used to admire all the tradicional Martial Artists: Van Damme, Nico, etc., but now I see that only works on the movies
Papillonmx 6 months ago
@Papillonmx
BJJ is a sport based martial art that has removed most of it's combat elements like Ne Waza. Japanese Jujitsu is a combat based martial art that has been proven in war for hundreds of years. It's the practioner not the style, just find the best martial arts school in your neighborhood and train no matter what martial art it is. All arts have a good benefit.
Tarc5150 6 months ago
@Tarc5150 Modern BJJ like other modern styles specifically in the UK and US have been watered down just to be used in sports.
hazza3 6 months ago
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Tarc5150 6 months ago
@Tarc5150 Muay Boran isn't an actual style. Its just a name for the styles used to make Muay Thai.
hazza3 6 months ago
@hazza3
I hate to argue with you but Muay Boran is a style. It was the original Muay Thai and used by Thai warriors for hundreds of years. Muay Boran was just changed to a more spectator friendly style with less lethal strikes and techniques. It was mostly because Thai people wanted a sport to bet on. Same thing as Judo, Kano Jigoro created a simplified version of Jujitsu so it could be taught in Japanese schools. Ask any Muay Thai teacher and they will tell you the same.
Tarc5150 6 months ago
@Tarc5150 Nope, its a modern term used by people today to name a martial art that they dont know about.
The original style was called Muay Koshashan and before that it was just called Muay and before that it was Musti Yuddha.
The sport before Muay Thai was called Muay Khat Chueak
hazza3 6 months ago
@hazza3
Okay. I've never heard that before. I was told Muay Boran by Richard Bustillo and Dan Inosanto when i was a teenager like 20 years ago at the IMB Academy in Torrance CA. When I taught there in my mid twenties that is what I read and we told students. I just assumed that was correct coming from two of the most famous instructors in the world but I certainly can be wrong. It wouldn't be the first time. Either way, good talk. Best of luck in your training.
Tarc5150 6 months ago
@Tarc5150 IMB! That is impressive. What i have said though, is true. But Dan and Richard would be using the more modern verse of the history of the martial art.
Even the greatest of men can be wrong.
hazza3 6 months ago
@hazza3
I agree. Some of the greatest martial artist I have ever known you will never hear of. Sifu/Guro/Kru Bustillo has been a mentor off and on for several decades. I hope one day to be a certified instructor in JKD and open my own school as a side business. I have a great job but I would love to teach again if only for fun. I'm healing from a hernia surgery right now but I'm told I can go back in December. You can get spoiled living in LA being a martial artist :) Best of luck..
Tarc5150 6 months ago
@hazza3 Just like sports? then, how come BJJ fighters win most of the battles (at least on youtube)?
Papillonmx 6 months ago
@Papillonmx Which videos and sports? Again, SPORT does not equal real fighting. BJJ wont win in a REAL fight. atleast not this watered down version we see on the internet.
hazza3 6 months ago
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This is an old Wanderley SIlva Fight. The another guy wasn´t BJJ expert. Marcelão ( Big Marcelo ) was a Chinese Boxing fighter !
educunha1 7 months ago
isnt this wanderlei silva? a bjj black belt?
jtanning 8 months ago
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k9m42 8 months ago
Can't say the whole art sucks because onr guy got beat.
k9m42 8 months ago
@k9m42
thats what the gracies did for years so why not
TENNSUMITSUMA 7 months ago
its wanderlei silva
LizardKing5150 8 months ago
LOL what ambition to make this account just for this one video.
mrkiky 8 months ago 30
@mrkiky The well known, hater's ambition..
solistas95 7 months ago
@mrkiky Well at least he's right. BJJ does suck! It's a good sport art but that's it. And the worst part is how they're spreading their bullshit around and people are getting fooled into learning it instead of doing practical arts for self defense.
DestroyerAlexandros 5 months ago
@DestroyerAlexandros lol I dunno, some things are practical but you have to adapt it for a street fight and not use it like you use it in a grappling match or cage fight.
mrkiky 5 months ago
@mrkiky Yeah I agree some things are practical. For example the trips from your back and the leg locks they can be really useful as a last resort. Or for example the armbar from mount. If you have good striking and some bum attacks you and you drop him, you can stand over him and armbar him. Very useful. But their whole attitude like "Our sport is king of real fighting" it's just annoying.
DestroyerAlexandros 5 months ago
@DestroyerAlexandros Yea true...and you always see "bjj vs whatever" videos showing a guy that gets instantly put on the ground, and supposedly he's a practitioner of some art and that art is clearly inferior to bjj. And even "bjj vs bodybuilder"...I mean come on...
mrkiky 5 months ago
@DestroyerAlexandros Leg locks don't have to be viewed as useful as last resort. They can also be useful from "anywhere", depends on the practisioner. You perhaps already know this but you prefer them as a last resort.
cmcampbell49 5 months ago
I don't think the point of bjj is to be fun to watch. The whole point of it is to win a fight, not look fancy well doing it. I personally do bjj i'm not strong and i weigh 110. It would be stupid for me to sit there and try to out muscle my opponent. But since i do bjj i can take someone that has 50-90 pounds on me.
YayWaistTime 8 months ago
@YayWaistTime No offense kiddo but no matter how hard you train, unless you're Royce Gracie, you will never beat an opponent that has 50-90 pounds on you.
NesBlu 8 months ago
I wouldn't go as far to say BJJ sucks. I mean I do have Purple Belt in it but that's no real impressive I'm sure to most. What i would like to see is what happens when these BJJ techniques are used on the street. Rolling around on concrete hurts and every video I see is on a padded matt. I've seen tons of street fights but never once seen two guys rolling on the concrete for 2 minutes. Fun art to study though, in the right school.
Tarc5150 8 months ago 33
@Tarc5150 No.... BJJ does suck.
It sucks to watch one man excited to wrap his legs around another man.
jorgekluney 8 months ago
@jorgekluney
Yah I didn't want to say it but yah it does look very gay sometimes. (Let the hate responses come) Not to mention very boring to watch. I studied it learned what I wanted, mostly how to get out of a mount but the classes were gross. Rolling for 45 minutes with other sweaty men is not very fun.
Tarc5150 8 months ago
@Tarc5150 That's why I practice falling on concrete without hurting myself sometimes. That said, this video is an obvious troll, and I love it.
Bonertronica 8 months ago
@Tarc5150 yea rolling saturday night in the streets on broken bottles head slams on pavement while his buddys crush your head with massive stomp kicks.
bjj is a superb sport and can work in a fair 1 on 1 but its nothing for the streets where no rules are the way to go
thanatas 7 months ago
@Tarc5150 Im glad you see one of bjj's weak points, after all, your surroundings also have to do with a fight, even military uses that strategy. Although, glass, concrete, metal, can be pretty damaging. Don't get me wrong, I love jiu jitsu because it's unique in it's own way, and I hope to practice it sometime in the future.
Jericho11894 7 months ago
@Jericho11894
Well said and thanks. Best of luck in your training.
Tarc5150 7 months ago
@Tarc5150 yeah, but bjj has standing self defense moves too. i mean, if there's a bunch of guys around, they can be used to make sure you arent being held and punched in the face..other than that..you're right. ive only used bjj once in a fight, and that was 1 on 1. good point, and im off to muay thai.ha.
physchogoober 7 months ago
@physchogoober
I agree and well said. The last fight I was in about 9 years ago I threw the guy with a wristlock (kotegashi). My ultimate point is it's a good complimentary art but not the ultimate art like advertised by so many of these McDojo's everywhere. I love Muay Thai as well. Be careful though, I've got arthritis and calcium deposits from all the kicks and strikes over the years of Muay Thai and I'm only 35. Best of luck with your training.
Tarc5150 7 months ago
@Tarc5150 very aggred
SteelClaw 7 months ago
@Tarc5150 BJJ isn't meant for self defense... its a sport
thatkindofguy234 7 months ago
@thatkindofguy234
I agree mostly. Anybody well trained in any art can use a martial art for self defense. I think the reason we see Muay Thai and BJJ so widely used in MMA is they are sport versions of there original art forms. If people used Muay Boran or real Japanese Jujitsu, fights would be over in ten seconds which doesn't make for a very long fight card. Who would pay $50 to watch a UFC event if it was over in 20-30 minutes, instead we get 3 hours of entertainment. Which is great.
Tarc5150 7 months ago
@thatkindofguy234
I love sports but MMA is a sport. It's the same thng with boxing, if they took the gloves off and fought barehanded somebody would probably get killed in the first round.
Tarc5150 7 months ago
@Tarc5150 thats what i was saying....
thatkindofguy234 7 months ago
@thatkindofguy234 BJJ and sport BJJ are two different things. I wouldn't recommend using deep half guard or the turtle position, for example, outside of sport BJJ. The heart of BJJ is purely self defense. Close the distance, achieve a clinch (not shoot) take the fight to the ground, achieve a dominant position and finish. An attacker is not going to dance around just throwing punches and kicks. I will have outrun him by then anyway, these days he's surely got a gun so just give him your wallet
Pauly2Bags 6 months ago
@Tarc5150 It works also in a street fight but only against one person.. If you practice solely BJJ and you are in a street fight against more than one you should definitely think of getting into a fight maturely.. :)
solistas95 7 months ago
@solistas95 If I am in a street fight with more than one person, I will first look to run and if that is not an option I would then look to finding a weapon. First I want a realistic explanation on why I would be fending off multiple attackers when I never look for trouble. Then I want to know what martial arts are supposedly better at taking out multiple attackers than single opponents? If you can't beat one guy, what makes you proficient at taking out three? Seriously............
Pauly2Bags 6 months ago
@Tarc5150 hey man! isn't that true that most of the street fights end on the ground? In that case, BJJ should be great, right?
Papillonmx 7 months ago
@Papillonmx
Yah I would agree many do end up on the ground. However, that doesn't mean both people do. As far as GJJ or BJJ goes I think it's a great art to study as a supplemental art. My point is watch these videos of BJJ or MMA fights and all are in a ring on 2-3" of foam like we train on. It won't happen but I would like to see a UFC fight card on concrete. If you are going to sprawl or try and shoot an attackers legs on anyting other than a mat or grass you are more likely to do more
Tarc5150 7 months ago
@Papillonmx
damage to yourself than the guy you are fighting. If you shhot somebodys legs on asphalt or concrete your legs, knees, elbows, etc are going to come crashing don on a hard surface. Usually inflicting more damage to yourself than the guy attacking you. i personally look to train for streetfighting or reality based MA. MMA and the UFC is not reality. I would rather parry and punch or use something simple like a hip throw and let the ground do the damage to my opponent. Best of luck.
Tarc5150 7 months ago
@Tarc5150 if it was a street fight and the guy knows jiu jitsu and the other does not its going to be no less than 40 seconds ... jiu jitsu gives you a real view of what fighting is your not going to roll on the floor in a street fight ... your going to take him down choke him or kick him in the head its simple. or just punch the guy if he doesnt stop from that then use your skills.
ExistMusik 6 months ago
@ExistMusik
I agree with you. The problem is BJJ is getting so watered down that instructors are Blue or Purple Belts in most schools and they are leaving out valuable lessons. Like stand up grappling, throws, and strikes (ne waza). Most want there students to believe that they can shoot the legs and come down with an opponet like we do on the mat. This is part of the reason the Gracies have now created Gracie combatives program and Pedro Sauer preaches this in his seminars.
Tarc5150 6 months ago
@ExistMusik
It's good too see some of the top schools are taking a long hard look and saying we are skipping lots of Carlos Gracie Sr. original style. Which had a lot more elements from Judo and traditional Jujitsu. I think it's great. Don't you?
Tarc5150 6 months ago
@Tarc5150 chances are you wouldn't be rolling on concrete for 2 minutes... against someone who has no clue what they are doing, i'm sure you'd be able to choke them out in seconds. i practice muay thai myself and i honestly fear the thought of facing someone who practices bjj on the street, it only takes one mistake for me to end up on the ground, and i'd have no clue what to do when that happens.
aaron4820 6 months ago
@aaron4820
Yah you would think so I would think most martial artist who have studied any art for a few years could do that. My point in the comment, is that BJJ is very popular now. We have tons of watered down McDojo like schools that skip the basic throws, chokes while standing, and joint locks. Many are taught by blue belts and go straight to the ground. Any well trained Jiu-Jitsu practioner should be able to use leverage for a throw and let the ground do the damage or apply a wrist lock.
Tarc5150 6 months ago
@aaron4820
No reason to go to the ground if you can avoid it. Many schools skip over the original elements of Gracie Jiu-Jitsu which had all the throws from Judo. Anyways, I hope that makes more sense now. Best of luck in your training. I dig Muay Thai, check out Kali/Escrima if you haven't already. It will compliment your Muay thai training very well.
Tarc5150 6 months ago
@Tarc5150 Come to a Behring Jiu-Jitsu Club. We know how to handle stand-up, judo, and BJJ. There you will see how Helio wanted BJJ to be and not in a sport aspect... (even though we still kick ass in tournaments!!!)
21Seraphim 6 months ago
@21Seraphim
Thanks and good for you and your school. I appreciate it but I'm in Los Angeles not Canada. I'm happy to hear your school has good instruction, I was referring to the McDojo's we have in LA. I have 4 MMA gyms within 5 minutes of my home and not a single on has an instructor with a blackbelt, the highest is in BJJ a purple belt. Sad if you ask me. Yet we have Kodokan Judo ten minutes away with 8 black belts as high as 7th degree teaching, same thing at Orange County Aiki Kai.
Tarc5150 6 months ago
@Tarc5150 Purple belt is pretty impressive thats more than two years of training
Celticsballer34 6 months ago
@Celticsballer34
Thanks, I got mine in about 18 months. I'm trying to become a certified Jeet Kune Do instructor and we know are required to be at a brown belt level to be certified amongst other things. In all fairness, I was already studying martial arts for 18 years when I was introduced to BJJ.
Tarc5150 6 months ago
@Tarc5150 yeah i just started and im hooked!
Celticsballer34 6 months ago
@Celticsballer34
that's great! Make sure your instructor is a black belt or higher and they are teaching throws, wrist locks, etc and not just ground fighting. Many schools skip right past the stand up and go straight to the ground, true Gracie Jiu-Jitsu should have lots of throws and wristlocks. Best of luck in your training.
Tarc5150 6 months ago
@Tarc5150 Yeah he is a black belt, and thanks man
Celticsballer34 6 months ago
All Fail!
myttttos 8 months ago
you now what, bjj is what made mma and still is one of the best martial arts, you just need to know how to use it.
3medx 8 months ago
you sucks
pablok1mirko 8 months ago
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This is an old Wanderley SIlva Fight. The another guy wasn´t BJJ expert. Marcelão ( Big Marcelo ) was a Chinese Boxing fighter !
educunha1 9 months ago
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educunha1 9 months ago
to the retard who made this video... you do know that's wanderlei silva without the gi. Also, he has a black belt in BJJ you fucking retard
daveshow58 9 months ago
@daveshow58 i was wondering if that was wanderlai when he was young.they are using a bjj guy getting killed by one of the greatest mma fighters ever to show how much bjj sucks.wanderlai would have walked through anyone no matter what their fighting style bach then.
tommiedepew1 8 months ago
this is one practitioner he doesn't represent the whole martial art
i32504 9 months ago