Nigelhollad3 i agree. i try to speak creole-louisiana french in new orleans and noone still speak it!!!!!!Only people thatundstand me is haitians near the River Walk. THat is why im part of the creole heritage center is to help preserve my family culture. Its ashame I have to go to the west of LA.
@dmoney450 See my previous comment. If you knew the history of New Orleans you would know why creole French is not spoken in New Orleans anymore. It's because of all of the different peoples that settled in New Orleans and also the government banning the language in public places and in everyday life. This was done to perfection in New Orleans and not as much out in Cajun country with mixed race Creoles. White Creoles and mixed race Creoles in New Orleans had no choice. CONTND>>
@dmoney450 See my previous comment. Even out in rural Louisiana were there are mixed race Creoles, Creole French is not spoken by most mixed race Creoles. And if it is spoken fluently, it's by elderly people in their 70's on up. The same thing that happened to Creole French in New Orleans is happening to it now along with Cajun French, west of New Orleans. It's all dying off. Cajun French is spoken by many more people than Creole French. Creole French west of N.O. is almost dead.
@IslenoGutierrez dont care yourfamily consists of French not white language wasnt banned in NOjust forgotten laguage to Some in NOMy Grandparents didnt speak ounce of english coming to chicago because english wasnt even used their parish Creole french not almost dead i dnt care im at the border of texas im still speekng itThey have classes at LSU forCajun andCreole lessons I do agree some cases you only find it spoken amongst elders have those like me 21 that learned from the eders as well
@IslenoGutierrez you also have young people that grew up listening to zydeco like myself and can understand it.I want you to know it is new times out here and for some yongsters it is sad they dont care about their history but for most we are stll here aint nothing changed baby.
@dmoney450 That's not true, things have changed. I've been to Isle Brevelle, the heart of the mixed race Creoles in Cajun country and only the old people spoke it. The young ones did not speak it. I seen more young Cajuns speaking Cajun French than Creole French, and they were few. N.O. did not forget it, the government banned it in schools and punished children and adults for speaking it. My mere mere used to get the yardstick across her fingers for speaking it in school CONTND>>>
@dmoney450 Also, I can understand many things, but doesn't mean I speak it fluent. On the subject of French, you ask anybody, French people are white people. Celtic, Latin and Germanic blood. French is a white language derived from Latin Rome and has many Germanic words in it. French share similarities with Germans, Spanish, English, Italians, etc. My grandparents had to learn English in school, they didn't speak it at home. If you are mixed race Creole, you are part white. CONTND>>>
@dmoney450 You think Cajuns are not white? are you out of your mind? Of course Cajuns are white. They are of French blood. In New Orleans, most whites are of French blood and they are white. I just think you don't like whites, but you are mixed with white and it kills you to know it. Self hate issues. I thought everybody knew French was white. I guess not everybody knows huh. First Creoles in Louisiana were white people, and the only creoles for like a century.
@IslenoGutierrez hey im not racist i love whites! Your right I am struggling inside!!!,but its all from what Ive seen growing up. light skin creoles with more advatage than dark skin creoles. Grandmother take my aunts with blue eyes and blonde hair to market for better deals. its sad that alot of people think creole is a color but WE COME IN ALL COLORS!!
@dmoney450 well us white creoles don't have that problem. That's an internal problem for mixed race creoles. For us white creoles, we have fair skinned and olive skinned and all shades in between, but it means nothing to us. Apparently to you mixed race creoles, it's a big deal to be lighter. Like it's better or something. Like I said, we don't have that problem. The mixed race creoles in New Orleans have same problem as your people. They actually have a paper bag test.
I believe I forgot to mention Im a proud scholar of the French Alliance de Chicago as well- and the French do not I repeat DO NOT consider themselves as white. I know many Italian Americans that dont consider thmselves white.
@dmoney450 I understand what you meant. Nope, im not racist I love everyone equally even those who hate me because of me being black. Although I despise of some people views on all blacks, I still got to love them.
@nigelholland3 Nothing wrong with blacks. But I won't let the tourists, media and local blacks not credit us yats for any culture or traditions that we started in New Orleans. It took us all to make this gumbo pot culture (instead of melting pot), so I don't like it when people try to discredit us or try to make us out to be something we are not. There is nothing wrong with the black dialect, but for an out of towner to say that yat sounds black is ridiculous. It don't, NY maybe.
@IslenoGutierrez Who influenced Yat anyways. I know the Blacks there are influenced by the Haitians because I know they are their descendants (Most of them ). Which would explain why some of the ones there speak like the people from the islands sort of, but I on the other hand being from georgia use Ebonics an got a southern drawl lol.
@nigelholland3 Yat is influenced by French, Spanish, German, Italian, and Irish and American southern English. It's present among the seven parishes that make up the New Orleans area. Yes, blacks had influence from Haitians who had influence from the French. Now, the whites and blacks influenced each other, but no more than in Georgia or Brooklyn. The yat dialect is like if you took a brooklyn accent, southern accent and Cajun accent and blended them into one.
@IslenoGutierrez Well you learn something everyday lol. I did not know that. I wonder if there are people who can still speak Cajun french in the younger generations.
@nigelholland3 What is it that you did not know? And about Cajun French, it is rarely spoken fluently by the younger generation (40 and under). Usually when you find someone that speaks fluent Cajun French, it's usually an elderly person (60-70 and over). Cajun French is a dying language in Louisiana. In the New Orleans area, French died by the early 1900's. But out in rural south Louisiana, it survived longer, but it's dying also. Continued>>
@nigelholland3 See my previous comment. Concerning Creoles, there are white creoles and mixed race creoles. Today, an example of a white Creole is New Orleans Mayor Mitch Landrieu. (French/Spanish ancestry) Example of a mixed race creole is Louisiana Senator J.P. Morrell (Black African, French, Spanish, maybe some Amerindian). New Orleans' Creole culture is made of French, Spanish, Italian, Irish, African, English, Caribbean, German, American south, with sprinkles of Amerindian.
@dmoney450 Then you don't know what you are talking about. The French most certainly do refer to themselves as whites, so do Italians. France and Italy are both in Europe and consist of a mixture of Nordics, Alpines and Mediterraneans, a.k.a. the white European race. Cajuns call themselves white, French Canadians as well as French from France. Most French are Alpines. The French are a mix of Celtic, Germanic and Latin (Ancient Romans) descent. All three ethnicities are white European.
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As a commercial pilot I have always noticed that New Orleans is the only city in the world where the white people talk like the bladks.. "can i acts you something. happy Birfday...
@flycentro123 White New Orleanians don't sound like Blacks. Have you even heard the Black accent in New Orleans? No yat that I know sounds like that, and I'm a yat. When I leave Louisiana, people say New Yorker, they don't say Black. Maybe you might have confused some accents. Yat is like east meets south. Maybe because we say dis and dat and slur our words together maybe it confused you. But we definitely don't sound like Blacks.
@IslenoGutierrez I live in Treme, but am from Chicago and i can tell you that everytime I have a girl come into the city and visit me one of the first things they comment on is how the whites from New Orleans especially Chalmette girls talk like blacks up north. Im not making an opinion Im stating what I hear everytime a friend visits town.
@flycentro123 Funny you say that, because I have a white friend from Brooklyn, and he said that Chalmations sound like Brooklyn Italians and Irish. Never once heard him say blacks. I even asked him that, because people unfamiliar with it may confuse it, he said, no, not black, Irish and Italians from Brooklyn, NY.
@IslenoGutierrez See my previous comment. Did you not hear the first girl from the 9th ward talk on this video? Did not sound black at all. That is yat. That is the accent of Chalmette. Not black. If anything, it bears a similar sound with Brooklyn, NY, but with some southern influence thrown in. Even the two girls at the end do not sound black, and they are full on yat. They are from the 9th ward too, but this was filmed almost 30 years ago when the 9th ward was white.
@IslenoGutierrez are you just jumping around this site starting arguments with every person... you even at one point answer reply to your own comment and disagree with it... good luck with your confusion on an issue,, you must be horrible to have to sit next to on the streetcar.
@flycentro123 I don't ride the streetcar, I'm not a tourist and I have a vehicle. If I replied to myself, surely it was a mistake, but I don't think I did that. I'll have to go back and check that one out. I'm not confused at all. I am a native New Orleanian yat, born and raised in New Orleans (from the 9th ward-bywater, but lived in the 8th ward-Marigny and Uptown-Lower Garden District), later moving to St. Bernard then the Westbank. I'm not going around arguing, I'm correcting.
@IslenoGutierrez How can you correct an opinion? Are you going to call all my friends that have visited me here from Chicago over the last ten years and have simply said that the white girls from New Orleans talk like black girls from Chicago? you cant correct peoples opinion.. have you even ever been to Chicago? im done...
@flycentro123 Be done, be gone. Because you are doing nothing but insulting yats, by saying we sound like blacks. We have nothing against blacks, but if you said that the blacks sounded like the whites, it would be an insult to the blacks. Truth is, the yat dialect sounds like neither. It's yat. I've never been out of state and had someone say I sounded black, but every single place I've been outside of Louisiana said I sounded like a white New Yorker or someone from Jersey.
@IslenoGutierrez well guess what? you dont. In Chicago you sound like a black.. because you dont say ask, you say aks.. you dont say birthday, you say birfday, just like the blacks in Chicago do... maybe you should keep your mouth shut until you have actually been somewhere before you make all your judgements.. you dont realize it, but everyone is laughing at you, not thinking you are very intelligent.. just saying..
@flycentro123 We don't say birfday, where did you get that crap from? Black in New Orleans say that, not whites. We may say aks, but a word does not make you sound like blacks. No one is laughing at me, I assure you. It's you they are laughing at, especially the yats on here, you thinking we say birfday, lol. Our accent does not sound black and saying aks doesn't make you sound black. We sound closest to Brooklyn Irish/Italian. Also, many of the words the blacks got from us.
ISLENO GUIERREZ ok so to finish you off!!!! FRENCH DONT CONSIDER THEMSELVES WHITE. PARIS WAS THE ONLY CITY THAT ALLOWED BLACKS TO COME WITH OPEN ARMS, WHILE THEY SAT BACK AND WATCHED THE WAY WE WERE TREATED BY WITES HERE IN AMERICA. YOU PUT TOO MANY LABELS ON CULTURES AND CALL IT ALL THE SAME,WHICH TO SOME IT CAN BE OFFENSIVE.
@dmoney450 Finish me off? I didn't realize you had an agenda. Lol. I'm sorry but you are very wrong. French are considered white. White Europeans. I am of both French and Spanish descent (France/Spain) and I am most certainly a white person. My entire family considers us white. Everyone else considers us white. In France, they know they are white race. It doesn't matter if they let blacks enter France, that proves nothing. Actually it proves that you think whites are racist. CONTND>>
@dmoney450 See my previous comment. You don't know what you are saying. France is a white country. It's in Europe. France is a country consisting of Nordic, Alpine and Mediterranean European types. The ancestry of France is Celtic, Latin (Ancient Roman) and Germanic. Those are all white race ethnicities. You don't know what you are talking about. French people are white people, hence the creole culture in Louisiana started with white people. Learn something.
@Wargoat6 That's not true. Many whites know the wards. it's just the out of town whites are like that. The old white New Orleanians that moved out of the city in the 70's and 80's to the suburbs know the wards very well. I happen to be the son of a one.
I moved to Biloxi a year and a half ago. I am originally from Long Island and tons of people around think I'm a Yat!! No way! Its authentic New York but I try and mend a southern accent with my accent is REALLY comes out like Yat.
Eh..I live south of New Orleans, and just came across this vid. Sorry, I get this video wasn't on race, but man..it does come across a little racist and snobby on notes of status and such. VERY dated.
@MsChel79 how does it come across as racist? I didn't get anything out of that. None. I think you are making it out to be a duck when it don't quack. And I'm from New Orleans.
I'm proud of my Yat accent. My dad's family was originally from the 9th ward back in the day when it was mostly Whites and my mom's family was from St. Bernard Parish. My family was from the Bywater neighborhood of the 9th ward and the Marigny neighborhood of the 8th ward, but now most moved out to the suburbs in Metairie, the Westbank, St. Bernard and Slidell.
Ok Im suprised how the video didnt mention how people are able to know when someone can easily spot out a fake accent. you wont believe how many times our class has to be interupted because arguments of someone lieing saying thier from new orleans but they have thisstrong across the river accent. Its so funny because we didnt have this big problem mostly until after katrina
Ok Im suprised how the video didnt mention how people are able to know when someone can easily spot out a fake accent. you wont believe how many times our class has to be interupted because arguments of someone lieing saying thier from new orleans but they have thisstrong across the river accent. Its so funny because we didnt have this big problem mostly until after katrina
Ok Im suprised how the video didnt mention how people are able to know when someone can easily spot out a fake accent. you wont believe how many times our class has to be interupted because arguments of someone lieing saying thier from new orleans but they have thisstrong across the river accent. Its so funny because we didnt have this big problem mostly until after katrina
@dmoney450 Wait a minute there. Across the river accent? You mean a Westbank accent? Well, first off, many of the people on the Westbank are the children of White New Orleanians leaving the city in the 70's, if not being the ones who left the city themselves. Much of the downtown Whites split in two between going to St. Bernard and the Westbank. Also, the Westbank is metro New Orleans, maybe not N.O. proper, but still metro. The Westbank is a yat accent, which yat came from the city.
They never get the Boston accent right either. I've never heard anyone sound like the Kennedys in my life. Sometimes when they screw up a Brooklyn accent it sounds like Boston, lol.
@LaHunny09 The first chick (White chick) was from the 9th ward. St. Bernard Parish and the old White 9th Ward accents sound alike. Most White 9th warders moved to St. Bernard back in the 70's-80's.
@LaHunny09 I lived in both the 9th ward and St. Bernard, and much of the people in St. Bernard are from the old white 9th ward or the children of white 9th warders who fled the city in the 70's and 80's. I'm one. In St. Bernard, most people originally from the Parish were of Spanish descent, like my mom's family, but my dad's family were 9th warders. The old white 9th ward accent lives on in Chalmette. Almost like it's frozen in time. St. Bernard is the strongest yat dialect period.
Yat sounds awfully brooklyn-ish and the Cajun accent sounds like a a snobby southener with a sing-song (Staccato) sounding drawl with a tad of a french element. Amusing, I prefer the ''Yat'' it sounds less intimidating.
Jesus Christ, this tmaz0126 person needs to relax and get a life. Glad to see that, for now, he's stopped spamming this thread and repeating the same stuff over and over. tmaz0126, I know that you probably suffer from delusions of grandeur and think you're doing us all a favour by yammering on and on, so there's really no nice way to put this... you're talking to yourself, nobody cares!
@JanaQuelle If the person who is writing a lot on Youtube has no life ... Then who is the guy who is telling him he has no life? Really? Who goes around telling people to get a life on Youtube? Is there even a constructive purpose to that? Even taking a dump is more constructive than that sadly.
@JanaQuelle Don't you look at where it says how many months ago people sent a last message? No one has cared about this thread for so long that it only got a few posts in the last 7 months. If you can't handle an intelligent conversation with evidence, than go to hell. Than you're welcoming dumbing down. Do something better than wanting to play smile and giggles with people on Youtube.
My Yat accent comes and goes.... I have no trace of it until I become distressed in some way. It has happened a number of times while traveling and people will ask me if I am Irish or if I came from Brooklyn. Only once has someone recognized it for what it is, and that was a doctor.
He asked my what part of New Orleans I was from, I told him then said it only comes out when i am upset or extremely tired, then he let his Yat accent take over too ..... It was great!
I've lived in New Orleans for 9 years now and I love New Orleans. The people, the culture, the accents. New Orleans has a definite culture of its own that you can't find anywhere else. I'm proud to call New Orleans home.
@fredlburrows Most Germans that emigrated to New Orleans were poor, so I don't get where you coming in with this slave master stuff. Maybe his family made money while in New Orleans and moved uptown. Germans were known to live DOWNTOWN. Especially the 9th ward.
@nigelholland3 I never heard "slave master" when that guy spoke, I just heard Garden District. Maybe you heard "slave master" because you think in race. Common trait of racist people.
@IslenoGutierrez Dont ever get me mixed with a racist. I meant that he had a ol southern accent. Again I am not racist..Its racist to call someone racist when you dont know them.
@nigelholland3 It is definitely not racist to call someone a racist. I don't know where you get that from. If you talk in a derogatory manner of a specific group of people, it's seen as discrimination and racist. That's where I was going with that.
@motivatdguy2000 It's "howzyamamma'an'nem". Here a sentence only a New Orleanian or a person from the surrounding areas would know: where'yat babe, howzyamamma'an 'nem? yeah you rite, i'm gone 'cross da neutra'ground ova to Schwegmann's to go make groceries. R.I.P. Schegmann's.
is it me, or do people from the 1980s sound more reasonable. maybe it's because there wasn't glenn beck or rush limbaugh to poison people's minds and turn people against one another
Actually most of N.O. is Catholic and the Nuns which were (in my case the 'Daughters of Charity') were from Brooklyn and Boston area who came down to teach in the Catholic Schools.
@XXXthingthingxxX That is not true. White New Orleanians just have a similar sound as brooklyn, because the last White immigrants to arrive in great numbers that influenced the dialect were Irish and Italian, which blended with the French style English and a little bit of Southern thrown in and voila!, The White New Orleans accent and dialect known as Yat.
"You'd be great if you'd just shut your mouth" PSHHHHHHHHHHT YAK IT UP GIRL!!!!I grew up around these accents and have none whatsoever, but I would be proud if I did. What's ignorant is assuming dialect has that much to do with intelligence!
@Jubel06 It's funny you say that. I'm from Lake Charles, 200 miles west of N.O., but I have a lot of relatives who live in Kenner and Metairie, near the airport and they sound like her. In fact I tease my cousin about sounding like a yankee, like Edith Bunker, and she says I sound like J.R. Ewing from the old TV show 'Dallas'. I guess we all talk like the people we hear the most.
@Jubel06 The White New Orleans accent is called Yat and has a sound that is like a brooklyn accent mixed with a southern accent full of words that come from translations from the French language.
@Dieudonne357 No, it's not... We used to say that "LA" stood for "Lower Arkansas", and it seems like peole in the north of Louisiana have MUCH stronger 'southern' accents and tend to be Baptists, whereas people in "N'awlins" have a very distinctive accent, somewhat Brooklynish, but with Cajun expressions thrown in, and most people tend to be Catholic....
@shmuli9 my wife and i are Creole. my folks are from Cecile, Baton rouge, Ville Platte, Lafayette & Carencro....we all speak french and our accents are very different than those found in N.O.
@Dieudonne357 Most people in New Orleans are Creoles, both White, mixed race and Blacks. In New Orleans, Creole just means being from the New Orleans area born and raised in Creole culture. Creole used to be Whites, then Blacks and mixed race, but today it is everyone from New Orleans. I'm sure y'all version of Creole is mixed race, but that is only one kind. Originally Creoles were the Whites of New Orleans, but later included mixed race and Blacks. New Orleans and all it's people are Creoles.
@Dieudonne357 Well, seeing that Creole culture came from New Orleans from Whites, mixed race and Blacks all creating it together, it would seem that New Orleans accents are all creole accents. I've heard the "creole" accents of out in Cajun country, and they sound cajun to me. To us, we have creole accents, ya'll have cajun accents. No offense, but it's just how we see it. Btw, in New Orleans, creole is not a specific race. There are white creoles, mixed race creoles and blacks.
@dmoney450 Racist comment? Lol, are you serious? I can't say anything positive about whites without being called racist? Get real. Also, French are white people, so yeah, creole did come from whites. The south don't sound black, ever thought blacks sound southern? I mean being that's where the spread out from. Yeah, there are blacks on the Westbank, but most people know most of the Westbank was white. But again, I'm defending whites, so now you gonna call me racist, lol. Unbelievable.
Yeah, I moved to the North Shore, Tangipahoa Parish... While it isn't exactly Northern Louisiana, everyone here is Baptist and everyone besides the N.O. refugees like me, has the country sounding accent. As soon as I open my mouth they say, ah, your from New Orleans. Not many Catholics up here but they got a few churches.
@fredlburrows There are enough Catholics around throughout the entire state of Louisiana and even surrounding parts of nearby states that they are still recognizable to some capacity. Certainly not majority. Even if 10% of people from a state like South Carolina are Catholic, people have to recognize they are both southern and Catholic. Everyone wants to paint a stereotypical brush of everyone to make it easy for their mind to grasp.
@fredlburrows Many African-Americans in New Orleans are not Catholic (although more than other parts of the country). I'm sure there are still some Catholics there though. It is easier to know people's denominations in the place you're from. People mix and cross denominations which really makes it unclear of who is what today. Most Catholics are only it in title and don't go to church for anything more than Christmas, a wedding or funeral. That is why it is best to speak in traditional context.
@Wolfsrain90 you are correct but only from new orleans and the surrounding areas when i was in the military a guy argued with me that i was not from new orleans he said i was from boston or brooklyn he said that a friend of his was from new orleans and had a country accent i said maybe he lives in new orleans but he might be from mississippi or baton rouge both have the distinct country southern accent.
@MrGuy92 yea i'm from nawlins too and you are right we either sound like justin wilson or have a country accent they come to new orleans and they can't hear the way we speak.
@Rachulie That accent some people think sound like a Ny/Nj accent is known as the New Orleans Yat accent which was usually associated with Downtown New Orleans, but also existed as well in Mid City/Gentilly and parts of Uptown like the Irish Channel and Carrolton, which it was the most widespread accent. It is the old White New Orleans accent which still exists in parts of the city today, but is extremely strong in the suburbs now, due to White flight of the city in the 60's, 70's and 80's.
instrumental - When have I ever asked for your input though? Why do you purposely ignore when I say something is backed by the ''US CENSUS'' if I showed that Wikipedia link? Why would I care what university you go to? You sound a bit inseucre to boast about that to strangers on Youtube. A public university is so impressive! I go to one too. Probably a better one too. It is funny that someone isn't grammatically perfect is criticizing someone else (especially since you don't even give examples).
And yes the Creole, Cajun, and Yat dialects are all separate. But the YAT was influenced in part by Acadians in the area. I know from family history. Wikipedia is not 100% on that. Like Acadian French is different than Parisian French yet originated and influence by it. They learned English from the pre-existing folks in the area; African Americans, Acadians, Southern White, Irish immigrants before their own arrival. Who had greatest influence on them depended on their associations of course.
And yes the Creole, Cajun, and Yat dialects are all separate. But the YAT was influenced in part by Acadians in the area. Like Acadian French is different than Parisian French yet originated and influence by it. They learned English from the pre-existing folks in the area; African Americans, Acadians, Southern White, Irish immigrants before their own arrival. Who had greatest influence on them depended on their associations of course.
@trubengalgold Yes, I'd agree there was an Acadian influence on the accent. The reason being they'd be more likely to have knowledge of English during the 1800's (even if not great) than newer southern or eastern European immigrants. An accent comes into exist without one even realizing it. If anything, it loses it's authenticy when people begin thinking and tweaking withit. Honestly, there really only seems to be 3 noticeable dialects in NOLA today.
@trubengalgold Yes, I'd agree there was an Acadian influence on the accent. The reason being they'd be more likely to have knowledge of English during the 1800's (even if not great) than newer southern or eastern European immigrants. An accent comes into exist without one even realizing it. If anything, it loses it's authenticy when people begin thinking and tweaking withit. Honestly, there really only seems to be 3 noticeable dialects in NOLA today.
@trubengalgold Those three being standard American English, AAVE, Yat/white New Orleans & close suburbs accent. The only difference is African American New Orleanians seems to have more Yat pronunciations and vocabulary than with whites in other cities like NYC, Philly or Chicago. Their longer history in NOLA is likely why. There really doesn't sound like there are divisions of white accents and the mixed Creoles have largely been absorbed by the larger black population.
@trubengalgold Another thing that can mislead people is that when you are walking through New Orleans, lots of suburbanites are in the city. Many of commutable suburbs have southern accents. For the most part, you can't know if the average stranger you encounter is from NOLA or a suburb. Just like most NYC suburbs (except for Long Island, lower Westchester and a narrow small strip in northern NJ) and Manhattan (due to transplants) don't have the same traditional accent.
@tmaz0126 Now wait a minute. I am born and raised in the New Orleans area. My family are Whites of French and Spanish descent from the 9th Ward that moved to the suburbs in the 1970's. And I am telling you that all native born White people in the New Orleans area have a similar yat speech. From the Whites of the city to the Whites of the suburbs, it's all variations on the same Yat accent. The same goes for the Black accent of the metro area. The non-yat Whites are not native to N.O..
@ralujk How are you White, born and raised in Nola, and not have Yat accent? That's like saying I'm born and raised in the U.S., but I don't have an American accent.
@ralujk How are you White, born and raised in Nola, and not have Yat accent? That's like saying I'm born and raised in the U.S., but I don't have an American accent.
YAT accent originated from the Irish, Italian, German, and some Polish and Hungarian immigrants from 1850 to 1900 who migrated for work at Port of New Orleans. Back then it was the second largest port of immigration and trade to NY. Same demographics as folks who settled Jersey and Brookly. Yats learned English from Cajuns and Blacks. That is why they can sound like blue collar NY/NJ folks but with a slower roll and slight drawl.
@trubengalgold Yat didn't originate with those groups. Those groups just added to it. If Irish, Italian, German, Polish & Hungarian immigrants were the many contributors to the accent/dialect, than many Midwestern cities would sound very similar and the traditional accents don't. It isn't the same demography. Just look at New Orleans growth in the 1820's and 1830's & it'll explain why 40% of white New Orleanians are of Scots-Irish, English & French ancestry, which is much higher than up north.
@tmaz0126 I recently traveled and spent some time in all of Biloxi, New Orleans, the rest of the area and Thibodaux and Houma. Generally speaking, the accent most New Orleanians seem to have (perhaps due to transplants moving in and out, especially due to Katrina) is close to standard American English. Most of the white and non-black people either have a light southern accent or no regional accent. I actually noticed more features in the blacks who pronounced things differently from AAVE.
@tmaz0126 Towns in St Bernard's Parish do have heavier accents than other parts of the New Orleans are. But many people (especially the youth) have very light accents. It's really like that in alots of places though. The one thing Louisianas won't ever give up though is the word ya'll. I think I heard it from a waitor or waitnress in like 15 consecutive restaurants lol
@tmaz0126 I think you misunderstand. The Yats did get some influence from earlier folks. The folks who taught them English had their own dialect. The Acadians knew English but with their own accent. Point is the wave if immigration form 1850s to 1900 were predominantly Irish, German, and Italian Catholics. Similar to NY/NJ at time. Not Midwesterners. Those were Germans and Scandinavian and later Italians and Irish to Chicago after 1870.
@trubengalgold So it isn't the same demographics of immigrants who went to NY or NJ. Why do people keep saying Brooklyn too? The demographics of European immigrants who went to NYC really doesn't vary incredibly in terms of what groups went there (regardless of borough or even the metro area for that matter). How'd the ''Yats'' learn English from Cajuns if many Cajuns didn't know English when those immigrants arrived? Lots of black Creole New Orleanians took time to learn too.
@tmaz0126 Many cajuns did not know English. But some did. The yats also picked up some from Creoles somewhat but not much as they did not socialize with Creoles due to a local caste systems. And Creoles were not necessarily just Black mixed with white. Creoles were technically any Frenchman born in New World but whose parents originated in France. The Yats actually were the 1850 to 1900 immigrants. They took the local accent and brought it home so to speak to become what it is today.
@trubengalgold The definition of Creole tends to vary greatly. People tend to generally acknowledge it in New Orleans to mean a multiracial person born themselves or born to the descendants of French New Orleans. The multiracial mixing was very common there and I'm sure the poorer whites worked and communicated with them more than other southern cities.
@tmaz0126 You are correct. There are various definitions. My ancestry is mutiracial including Creole, Acadian, and American Indian. I also have relatives who are Sicilian and Irish who are 3rd and 4th generation New Orleanians descended from those who immigrated in late 19th century. My uncle is an example. His ancestry is Irish, Acadian, Italian, and Hungarian. And yeah Yat as can be.
@trubengalgold Demographically speaking, there are lots of Northeastern/Midwestern cities that collected even higher proportions of the European immigrant groups you've mentioned. Yet if you compare the Yat to those (ex. Pittsburgh and Scranton, PA, Providence, RI), the accents just don't sound alike. What you'd need to understand is what gave an accent it's structure prior to their arrival.
@trubengalgold In NYC, the initial transformation of a Dutch colony (fellow west Germanic speakers) into an English one created new dialect patterns that future people still carry to this day.
''The point you are missing is that the YAT accent of today would not be what it is if it wasn't for the influence of the immigrants just before and then after Civil War up until end of 19th century.''
@trubengalgold And the point is if those New Orleanians (whites southerners, Creoles, Acadians) weren't there to teach them it, there wouldn't be a Yat dialect today. It really isn't unique in America to say ''A bunch of Irish, German, Italian, Hungarian and Polish immigrants moved here in the mid-to-late 1800's/early 1900's.'' That's where most of states like Pennsylvania and Ohio acquired their populations.
@trubengalgold Those immigrants who came to NOLA could have went there and they would have never had the Yat. The Yat is just a merging of several generations of various demographics. The easier unintellectual pro-Hollywood/New York way out is to just say ''Brooklyn! Now I'm going to bed.''
''YAT did not become YAT until the arrival of the later immigrants. Got it?''
The modern ''Yat'' you know. There were elements of it that existed before the mid-1800's though.
@trubengalgold Those immigrants who came to NOLA could have went there and they would have never had the Yat. The Yat is just a merging of several generations of various demographics. The easier unintellectual pro-Hollywood/New York way out is to just say ''Brooklyn! Now I'm going to bed.''
''YAT did not become YAT until the arrival of the later immigrants. Got it?''
The modern ''Yat'' you know. There were elements of it that existed before the mid-1800's though.
@trubengalgold Just not in the way we know it today. Honestly though, do you think Americans sound the same as what your ear has heard in your life time as the mid-to-late 1800's period? You're saying the new immigrants of the mid-to-late 1800's and their descendants used the influences of people there prior. Yet you're not taking into account the pre-1850's whites descendants.
@trubengalgold ''The immigrants past 1850 had influence. But what is YAT was formed from their influence as they reshaped NOLA English pre-1850.''
As with the demographical evidence I showed you, newer post-1850's European immigrants held less of a proportion to the white population than newer immigrants did to most Northeastern and Midwestern cities during this time. When you're trying to observe the creation of an accent, you need to have comparisons to understand it's formation.
@trubengalgold Demographically speaking, there are lots of Northeastern/Midwestern cities that collected even higher proportions of the European immigrant groups you've mentioned. Yet if you compare the Yat to those (ex. Pittsburgh and Scranton, PA, Providence, RI), the accents just don't sound alike.
@tmaz0126 What you are not taking into account was that these immigrants were uneducated blue collar types who learned English from other working class folks, namely African Americans blue collars, Acadians, and those Scotch-Irish, Southern English pre civil war folks. Like I posted you are half right. They learned broken English with folks with their own dialect along with Southern Whites and their dialect. Yes in my other post I left out the other folkd besides Acadians and blacks.
@trubengalgold ''It started with Italians and then other nationalities in a city that was already mutliracial.''
Now you're saying Italians created the Yat even though you're saying the development of the accent occurred decades prior to the bulk of their arrival? That doesn't make any sense. Like NYC, Italians assimilated into the local identity and accents of the region.
@tmaz0126 You misunderstand. The Italians were the first non-Irish, Southern Anglo, French (Acadian or Creole) nationality to gain momentum in the post 1850 era. They learned English from Irish immigrants, post 1850 and pre 1850 types, Acadians who moved from rural areas for port jobs, and later on African Americans, among other folks. They blended in and put their own influence on the local dialect. Their influence started shaping the dialect into the YAT of today. Then the Germans added to it.
@trubengalgold Not just did the elements of these two generations accents mix together, but the people did too. Like one said, virtually all the whites are now mixed now so there is no way of tracking one generation and one accent.
''The Italians were the first non-Irish, Southern Anglo, French (Acadian or Creole) nationality to gain momentum in the post 1850 era.''
They didn't start gaining their momentum until the last couple decades of the 1800's and even the early 1900's.
@trubengalgold Most Irish immigrants at that point were either elderly or dead. You're loosely crediting everyone which is nice and all. Yet not practical. Like I said, if those European immigrants were the key contributors to the accent, than they'd sound like a run-of-the-mill Midwestern city. Yet the tradition accent doesn't. Why?
''The Italian influence is significant in NOLA. I am related by marriage to two large Sicilian families from the West Bank.''
@trubengalgold They didn't start gaining their momentum until the last couple decades of the 1800's and even the early 1900's. All of my paternal ancestry is Italian. Trust me, the key contributors to the structure of an accent are fellow native English speakers, than west Germanic, than other Germanic. Examples: Jamaicans having a larger impact on English spoken in local Toronto & London communities more than larger groups ; Ashkenazi Jews on NYC accent...
Nigelhollad3 i agree. i try to speak creole-louisiana french in new orleans and noone still speak it!!!!!!Only people thatundstand me is haitians near the River Walk. THat is why im part of the creole heritage center is to help preserve my family culture. Its ashame I have to go to the west of LA.
dmoney450 5 days ago
@dmoney450 See my previous comment. If you knew the history of New Orleans you would know why creole French is not spoken in New Orleans anymore. It's because of all of the different peoples that settled in New Orleans and also the government banning the language in public places and in everyday life. This was done to perfection in New Orleans and not as much out in Cajun country with mixed race Creoles. White Creoles and mixed race Creoles in New Orleans had no choice. CONTND>>
IslenoGutierrez 5 days ago
@dmoney450 See my previous comment. Even out in rural Louisiana were there are mixed race Creoles, Creole French is not spoken by most mixed race Creoles. And if it is spoken fluently, it's by elderly people in their 70's on up. The same thing that happened to Creole French in New Orleans is happening to it now along with Cajun French, west of New Orleans. It's all dying off. Cajun French is spoken by many more people than Creole French. Creole French west of N.O. is almost dead.
IslenoGutierrez 5 days ago
@IslenoGutierrez dont care yourfamily consists of French not white language wasnt banned in NOjust forgotten laguage to Some in NOMy Grandparents didnt speak ounce of english coming to chicago because english wasnt even used their parish Creole french not almost dead i dnt care im at the border of texas im still speekng itThey have classes at LSU forCajun andCreole lessons I do agree some cases you only find it spoken amongst elders have those like me 21 that learned from the eders as well
dmoney450 5 days ago
@IslenoGutierrez you also have young people that grew up listening to zydeco like myself and can understand it.I want you to know it is new times out here and for some yongsters it is sad they dont care about their history but for most we are stll here aint nothing changed baby.
dmoney450 5 days ago
@dmoney450 That's not true, things have changed. I've been to Isle Brevelle, the heart of the mixed race Creoles in Cajun country and only the old people spoke it. The young ones did not speak it. I seen more young Cajuns speaking Cajun French than Creole French, and they were few. N.O. did not forget it, the government banned it in schools and punished children and adults for speaking it. My mere mere used to get the yardstick across her fingers for speaking it in school CONTND>>>
IslenoGutierrez 5 days ago
@dmoney450 Also, I can understand many things, but doesn't mean I speak it fluent. On the subject of French, you ask anybody, French people are white people. Celtic, Latin and Germanic blood. French is a white language derived from Latin Rome and has many Germanic words in it. French share similarities with Germans, Spanish, English, Italians, etc. My grandparents had to learn English in school, they didn't speak it at home. If you are mixed race Creole, you are part white. CONTND>>>
IslenoGutierrez 5 days ago
@dmoney450 You think Cajuns are not white? are you out of your mind? Of course Cajuns are white. They are of French blood. In New Orleans, most whites are of French blood and they are white. I just think you don't like whites, but you are mixed with white and it kills you to know it. Self hate issues. I thought everybody knew French was white. I guess not everybody knows huh. First Creoles in Louisiana were white people, and the only creoles for like a century.
IslenoGutierrez 5 days ago
@IslenoGutierrez hey im not racist i love whites! Your right I am struggling inside!!!,but its all from what Ive seen growing up. light skin creoles with more advatage than dark skin creoles. Grandmother take my aunts with blue eyes and blonde hair to market for better deals. its sad that alot of people think creole is a color but WE COME IN ALL COLORS!!
dmoney450 4 days ago
@dmoney450 I myself am light but dont like it when I see unfainess
dmoney450 4 days ago
@dmoney450 well us white creoles don't have that problem. That's an internal problem for mixed race creoles. For us white creoles, we have fair skinned and olive skinned and all shades in between, but it means nothing to us. Apparently to you mixed race creoles, it's a big deal to be lighter. Like it's better or something. Like I said, we don't have that problem. The mixed race creoles in New Orleans have same problem as your people. They actually have a paper bag test.
IslenoGutierrez 4 days ago
hey nigelholland my comments werent directed to you, it was IslenGutierez
dmoney450 6 days ago
I believe I forgot to mention Im a proud scholar of the French Alliance de Chicago as well- and the French do not I repeat DO NOT consider themselves as white. I know many Italian Americans that dont consider thmselves white.
dmoney450 6 days ago
@dmoney450 I understand what you meant. Nope, im not racist I love everyone equally even those who hate me because of me being black. Although I despise of some people views on all blacks, I still got to love them.
nigelholland3 6 days ago
@nigelholland3 Nothing wrong with blacks. But I won't let the tourists, media and local blacks not credit us yats for any culture or traditions that we started in New Orleans. It took us all to make this gumbo pot culture (instead of melting pot), so I don't like it when people try to discredit us or try to make us out to be something we are not. There is nothing wrong with the black dialect, but for an out of towner to say that yat sounds black is ridiculous. It don't, NY maybe.
IslenoGutierrez 6 days ago
@IslenoGutierrez Who influenced Yat anyways. I know the Blacks there are influenced by the Haitians because I know they are their descendants (Most of them ). Which would explain why some of the ones there speak like the people from the islands sort of, but I on the other hand being from georgia use Ebonics an got a southern drawl lol.
nigelholland3 6 days ago
@nigelholland3 Yat is influenced by French, Spanish, German, Italian, and Irish and American southern English. It's present among the seven parishes that make up the New Orleans area. Yes, blacks had influence from Haitians who had influence from the French. Now, the whites and blacks influenced each other, but no more than in Georgia or Brooklyn. The yat dialect is like if you took a brooklyn accent, southern accent and Cajun accent and blended them into one.
IslenoGutierrez 6 days ago
@IslenoGutierrez Well you learn something everyday lol. I did not know that. I wonder if there are people who can still speak Cajun french in the younger generations.
nigelholland3 5 days ago
@nigelholland3 What is it that you did not know? And about Cajun French, it is rarely spoken fluently by the younger generation (40 and under). Usually when you find someone that speaks fluent Cajun French, it's usually an elderly person (60-70 and over). Cajun French is a dying language in Louisiana. In the New Orleans area, French died by the early 1900's. But out in rural south Louisiana, it survived longer, but it's dying also. Continued>>
IslenoGutierrez 5 days ago
@nigelholland3 See my previous comment. Concerning Creoles, there are white creoles and mixed race creoles. Today, an example of a white Creole is New Orleans Mayor Mitch Landrieu. (French/Spanish ancestry) Example of a mixed race creole is Louisiana Senator J.P. Morrell (Black African, French, Spanish, maybe some Amerindian). New Orleans' Creole culture is made of French, Spanish, Italian, Irish, African, English, Caribbean, German, American south, with sprinkles of Amerindian.
IslenoGutierrez 5 days ago
@IslenoGutierrez But im from Georgia lol. So you would clearly be able to tell the difference from me and the blacks in N.O
nigelholland3 6 days ago
@dmoney450 Then you don't know what you are talking about. The French most certainly do refer to themselves as whites, so do Italians. France and Italy are both in Europe and consist of a mixture of Nordics, Alpines and Mediterraneans, a.k.a. the white European race. Cajuns call themselves white, French Canadians as well as French from France. Most French are Alpines. The French are a mix of Celtic, Germanic and Latin (Ancient Romans) descent. All three ethnicities are white European.
IslenoGutierrez 6 days ago
@IslenGuitierrez white girls in chicago are beaurtiful but have hood to them noting wrong with that white girls from new orleans are little laid back go figureTHE SOUTH WHO DONTSOUND BLACK Im fromChicago Grandparnts fromAlexandria-Baton Rouge ButI I live inNew Orleans for Loyola and family and proud member of the Creole Hertage Center to respond to your racist comment Ifound lying in my inbox in regards to your exclusion ofBLACKS in West Bank Do youNEEDlike a Fuc*in* history class LikeSERIOUSLY
dmoney450 6 days ago
I love this and I got introduced to this in my New Orleans History Class at The University of New Orleans!!!! Whoop
nerdysexicidny21 1 week ago
For some reason I don't have a New Orleans accent, but I am from there, and proud!
Jewelrylover111 2 weeks ago
As a commercial pilot I have always noticed that New Orleans is the only city in the world where the white people talk like the bladks.. "can i acts you something. happy Birfday...
flycentro123 3 weeks ago
@flycentro123 White New Orleanians don't sound like Blacks. Have you even heard the Black accent in New Orleans? No yat that I know sounds like that, and I'm a yat. When I leave Louisiana, people say New Yorker, they don't say Black. Maybe you might have confused some accents. Yat is like east meets south. Maybe because we say dis and dat and slur our words together maybe it confused you. But we definitely don't sound like Blacks.
IslenoGutierrez 1 week ago
@IslenoGutierrez I live in Treme, but am from Chicago and i can tell you that everytime I have a girl come into the city and visit me one of the first things they comment on is how the whites from New Orleans especially Chalmette girls talk like blacks up north. Im not making an opinion Im stating what I hear everytime a friend visits town.
flycentro123 6 days ago
@flycentro123 Funny you say that, because I have a white friend from Brooklyn, and he said that Chalmations sound like Brooklyn Italians and Irish. Never once heard him say blacks. I even asked him that, because people unfamiliar with it may confuse it, he said, no, not black, Irish and Italians from Brooklyn, NY.
IslenoGutierrez 6 days ago
@flycentro123 See my previous comment? Are you black?
IslenoGutierrez 6 days ago
@IslenoGutierrez See my previous comment. Did you not hear the first girl from the 9th ward talk on this video? Did not sound black at all. That is yat. That is the accent of Chalmette. Not black. If anything, it bears a similar sound with Brooklyn, NY, but with some southern influence thrown in. Even the two girls at the end do not sound black, and they are full on yat. They are from the 9th ward too, but this was filmed almost 30 years ago when the 9th ward was white.
IslenoGutierrez 6 days ago
@IslenoGutierrez are you just jumping around this site starting arguments with every person... you even at one point answer reply to your own comment and disagree with it... good luck with your confusion on an issue,, you must be horrible to have to sit next to on the streetcar.
flycentro123 6 days ago
@flycentro123 I don't ride the streetcar, I'm not a tourist and I have a vehicle. If I replied to myself, surely it was a mistake, but I don't think I did that. I'll have to go back and check that one out. I'm not confused at all. I am a native New Orleanian yat, born and raised in New Orleans (from the 9th ward-bywater, but lived in the 8th ward-Marigny and Uptown-Lower Garden District), later moving to St. Bernard then the Westbank. I'm not going around arguing, I'm correcting.
IslenoGutierrez 6 days ago
@IslenoGutierrez How can you correct an opinion? Are you going to call all my friends that have visited me here from Chicago over the last ten years and have simply said that the white girls from New Orleans talk like black girls from Chicago? you cant correct peoples opinion.. have you even ever been to Chicago? im done...
flycentro123 6 days ago
@flycentro123 Be done, be gone. Because you are doing nothing but insulting yats, by saying we sound like blacks. We have nothing against blacks, but if you said that the blacks sounded like the whites, it would be an insult to the blacks. Truth is, the yat dialect sounds like neither. It's yat. I've never been out of state and had someone say I sounded black, but every single place I've been outside of Louisiana said I sounded like a white New Yorker or someone from Jersey.
IslenoGutierrez 6 days ago
@IslenoGutierrez well guess what? you dont. In Chicago you sound like a black.. because you dont say ask, you say aks.. you dont say birthday, you say birfday, just like the blacks in Chicago do... maybe you should keep your mouth shut until you have actually been somewhere before you make all your judgements.. you dont realize it, but everyone is laughing at you, not thinking you are very intelligent.. just saying..
flycentro123 6 days ago
@flycentro123 We don't say birfday, where did you get that crap from? Black in New Orleans say that, not whites. We may say aks, but a word does not make you sound like blacks. No one is laughing at me, I assure you. It's you they are laughing at, especially the yats on here, you thinking we say birfday, lol. Our accent does not sound black and saying aks doesn't make you sound black. We sound closest to Brooklyn Irish/Italian. Also, many of the words the blacks got from us.
IslenoGutierrez 6 days ago
ISLENO GUIERREZ ok so to finish you off!!!! FRENCH DONT CONSIDER THEMSELVES WHITE. PARIS WAS THE ONLY CITY THAT ALLOWED BLACKS TO COME WITH OPEN ARMS, WHILE THEY SAT BACK AND WATCHED THE WAY WE WERE TREATED BY WITES HERE IN AMERICA. YOU PUT TOO MANY LABELS ON CULTURES AND CALL IT ALL THE SAME,WHICH TO SOME IT CAN BE OFFENSIVE.
dmoney450 5 days ago
@dmoney450 Finish me off? I didn't realize you had an agenda. Lol. I'm sorry but you are very wrong. French are considered white. White Europeans. I am of both French and Spanish descent (France/Spain) and I am most certainly a white person. My entire family considers us white. Everyone else considers us white. In France, they know they are white race. It doesn't matter if they let blacks enter France, that proves nothing. Actually it proves that you think whites are racist. CONTND>>
IslenoGutierrez 5 days ago
@dmoney450 See my previous comment. You don't know what you are saying. France is a white country. It's in Europe. France is a country consisting of Nordic, Alpine and Mediterranean European types. The ancestry of France is Celtic, Latin (Ancient Roman) and Germanic. Those are all white race ethnicities. You don't know what you are talking about. French people are white people, hence the creole culture in Louisiana started with white people. Learn something.
IslenoGutierrez 5 days ago
I've noticed white people in New Orleans don't refer to wards, except the 9th ward.
Wargoat6 3 weeks ago
@Wargoat6 That's not true. Many whites know the wards. it's just the out of town whites are like that. The old white New Orleanians that moved out of the city in the 70's and 80's to the suburbs know the wards very well. I happen to be the son of a one.
IslenoGutierrez 1 week ago
WOW maannn lol
leciberlanga 1 month ago
I moved to Biloxi a year and a half ago. I am originally from Long Island and tons of people around think I'm a Yat!! No way! Its authentic New York but I try and mend a southern accent with my accent is REALLY comes out like Yat.
jerseyfla 1 month ago
go make groceries :D
TheJinpachi9 1 month ago
Eh..I live south of New Orleans, and just came across this vid. Sorry, I get this video wasn't on race, but man..it does come across a little racist and snobby on notes of status and such. VERY dated.
MsChel79 1 month ago
@MsChel79 how does it come across as racist? I didn't get anything out of that. None. I think you are making it out to be a duck when it don't quack. And I'm from New Orleans.
IslenoGutierrez 1 week ago
Im from NOLA and i gotta accent and proud of it baby,,, now who mad
ariyana3279727 1 month ago
lol I knew these cute girls... but they had that awful Yat accent. Ruined it for me... reminds me too much of m mom... she has a dep one.
NescioQuidErgoDeus 2 months ago
I'm proud of my Yat accent. My dad's family was originally from the 9th ward back in the day when it was mostly Whites and my mom's family was from St. Bernard Parish. My family was from the Bywater neighborhood of the 9th ward and the Marigny neighborhood of the 8th ward, but now most moved out to the suburbs in Metairie, the Westbank, St. Bernard and Slidell.
IslenoGutierrez 2 months ago
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Ok Im suprised how the video didnt mention how people are able to know when someone can easily spot out a fake accent. you wont believe how many times our class has to be interupted because arguments of someone lieing saying thier from new orleans but they have thisstrong across the river accent. Its so funny because we didnt have this big problem mostly until after katrina
dmoney450 3 months ago
Ok Im suprised how the video didnt mention how people are able to know when someone can easily spot out a fake accent. you wont believe how many times our class has to be interupted because arguments of someone lieing saying thier from new orleans but they have thisstrong across the river accent. Its so funny because we didnt have this big problem mostly until after katrina
dmoney450 3 months ago
@dmoney450 wtf??? strong across the river accent? how are the different?
dees878 1 month ago
@dees878 you must not be from LA because if so anyone from NO knows!!!
dmoney450 1 month ago
Ok Im suprised how the video didnt mention how people are able to know when someone can easily spot out a fake accent. you wont believe how many times our class has to be interupted because arguments of someone lieing saying thier from new orleans but they have thisstrong across the river accent. Its so funny because we didnt have this big problem mostly until after katrina
dmoney450 3 months ago
@dmoney450 Wait a minute there. Across the river accent? You mean a Westbank accent? Well, first off, many of the people on the Westbank are the children of White New Orleanians leaving the city in the 70's, if not being the ones who left the city themselves. Much of the downtown Whites split in two between going to St. Bernard and the Westbank. Also, the Westbank is metro New Orleans, maybe not N.O. proper, but still metro. The Westbank is a yat accent, which yat came from the city.
IslenoGutierrez 1 week ago
Deborah from the 9th ward is a spot on Yat accent. Damn!
mooch9668 4 months ago
lol at the two girls at the end. this doc was made 28 years ago but still cool
DeadIslandTrailers 4 months ago
They never get the Boston accent right either. I've never heard anyone sound like the Kennedys in my life. Sometimes when they screw up a Brooklyn accent it sounds like Boston, lol.
ElComadreja777 4 months ago
You can tell dat first chic is from around Da Parish
Yeah you rite!
LaHunny09 5 months ago
@LaHunny09
From da Parish, babe!
fredlburrows 5 months ago
@LaHunny09 The first chick (White chick) was from the 9th ward. St. Bernard Parish and the old White 9th Ward accents sound alike. Most White 9th warders moved to St. Bernard back in the 70's-80's.
IslenoGutierrez 4 months ago
@IslenoGutierrez Didn't i say she is from AROUND da Parish? Da 9th ward was right next to it... i lived in St. Beranrd most my life...
LaHunny09 4 months ago
@LaHunny09 I lived in both the 9th ward and St. Bernard, and much of the people in St. Bernard are from the old white 9th ward or the children of white 9th warders who fled the city in the 70's and 80's. I'm one. In St. Bernard, most people originally from the Parish were of Spanish descent, like my mom's family, but my dad's family were 9th warders. The old white 9th ward accent lives on in Chalmette. Almost like it's frozen in time. St. Bernard is the strongest yat dialect period.
IslenoGutierrez 1 week ago
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Some of those people sound retarded. Actually they all sound retarded.
penn707 5 months ago
@penn707 shut the fuck up. i'm from louisiana! those accents are a mix of french and english accent!
go to hell.
krazykiddmusicstar 5 months ago
@penn707
I hope your first born child is retarded. I also hope your mother dies in a car crash on the way to your father's funeral.
fredlburrows 5 months ago
@fredlburrows - first born child? You want this person to procreate?
mikeduplantier 4 months ago
@mikeduplantier
No, you're absolutely right. No procreation for that cretin.
fredlburrows 4 months ago
Oh man I love these "tranches de vies" américaines.
bennyfromthe72 6 months ago
Yat sounds awfully brooklyn-ish and the Cajun accent sounds like a a snobby southener with a sing-song (Staccato) sounding drawl with a tad of a french element. Amusing, I prefer the ''Yat'' it sounds less intimidating.
Counterbrilliance 6 months ago
I love the yat! never stop!
lunarman29 6 months ago 7
Jesus Christ, this tmaz0126 person needs to relax and get a life. Glad to see that, for now, he's stopped spamming this thread and repeating the same stuff over and over. tmaz0126, I know that you probably suffer from delusions of grandeur and think you're doing us all a favour by yammering on and on, so there's really no nice way to put this... you're talking to yourself, nobody cares!
JanaQuelle 6 months ago
@JanaQuelle If the person who is writing a lot on Youtube has no life ... Then who is the guy who is telling him he has no life? Really? Who goes around telling people to get a life on Youtube? Is there even a constructive purpose to that? Even taking a dump is more constructive than that sadly.
tmaz0126 4 months ago
@JanaQuelle Don't you look at where it says how many months ago people sent a last message? No one has cared about this thread for so long that it only got a few posts in the last 7 months. If you can't handle an intelligent conversation with evidence, than go to hell. Than you're welcoming dumbing down. Do something better than wanting to play smile and giggles with people on Youtube.
tmaz0126 4 months ago
My Yat accent comes and goes.... I have no trace of it until I become distressed in some way. It has happened a number of times while traveling and people will ask me if I am Irish or if I came from Brooklyn. Only once has someone recognized it for what it is, and that was a doctor.
He asked my what part of New Orleans I was from, I told him then said it only comes out when i am upset or extremely tired, then he let his Yat accent take over too ..... It was great!
ReligionIsSophistry 6 months ago
racist bitch!
BigRobsStalker4Life 6 months ago
This accent is fucking awesome!
LZ08 6 months ago
Sounds like New York accent mixed with Southern.
QweffL 7 months ago
I've lived in New Orleans for 9 years now and I love New Orleans. The people, the culture, the accents. New Orleans has a definite culture of its own that you can't find anywhere else. I'm proud to call New Orleans home.
mikaylacool 7 months ago 3
i love their accents
DreamsInANightmare 7 months ago 2
0:38ol dude sound like one of those slave masters. lol
nigelholland3 7 months ago
@nigelholland3
His grandfather came from Germany in the 1880's. How does a slave master sound? Like a rich guy?
fredlburrows 4 months ago
@fredlburrows Damn, that's all you get out of that? Slavery? Get your mind off of race.
IslenoGutierrez 2 months ago
@fredlburrows Most Germans that emigrated to New Orleans were poor, so I don't get where you coming in with this slave master stuff. Maybe his family made money while in New Orleans and moved uptown. Germans were known to live DOWNTOWN. Especially the 9th ward.
IslenoGutierrez 1 week ago
@fredlburrows I didnt mean it that way. I was saying that he had a southern drawl with a twang. He got a ol southern accent.
nigelholland3 6 days ago
@nigelholland3 I never heard "slave master" when that guy spoke, I just heard Garden District. Maybe you heard "slave master" because you think in race. Common trait of racist people.
IslenoGutierrez 1 week ago
@IslenoGutierrez Dont ever get me mixed with a racist. I meant that he had a ol southern accent. Again I am not racist..Its racist to call someone racist when you dont know them.
nigelholland3 6 days ago
@nigelholland3 It is definitely not racist to call someone a racist. I don't know where you get that from. If you talk in a derogatory manner of a specific group of people, it's seen as discrimination and racist. That's where I was going with that.
IslenoGutierrez 6 days ago
I wish i had a deep black guy voice and a New Orleans accent, it would sound sweet...
EthanXin 7 months ago
@EthanXin I got a deep White guy voice and a New Orleans accent. Sounds pretty good.
IslenoGutierrez 4 months ago
ay bra , i don(from) by parish n' dem 17th ward. so it sounds nun like ths smh
ShayMoney141 7 months ago
How's ya Ma and 'dem? Makin' groceries at the Schwegmann's?
motivatdguy2000 8 months ago 2
@motivatdguy2000
Hahahhaha .... PERFECT!
ReligionIsSophistry 6 months ago
@motivatdguy2000 It's "howzyamamma'an'nem". Here a sentence only a New Orleanian or a person from the surrounding areas would know: where'yat babe, howzyamamma'an 'nem? yeah you rite, i'm gone 'cross da neutra'ground ova to Schwegmann's to go make groceries. R.I.P. Schegmann's.
IslenoGutierrez 1 week ago
is it me, or do people from the 1980s sound more reasonable. maybe it's because there wasn't glenn beck or rush limbaugh to poison people's minds and turn people against one another
richie8811 8 months ago 2
hey i think louisiana accents changed 30 yrs ago of course we sounded like that in 1934.
Bbrosvideos 9 months ago
Actually most of N.O. is Catholic and the Nuns which were (in my case the 'Daughters of Charity') were from Brooklyn and Boston area who came down to teach in the Catholic Schools.
XXXthingthingxxX 9 months ago
@XXXthingthingxxX That is not true. White New Orleanians just have a similar sound as brooklyn, because the last White immigrants to arrive in great numbers that influenced the dialect were Irish and Italian, which blended with the French style English and a little bit of Southern thrown in and voila!, The White New Orleans accent and dialect known as Yat.
IslenoGutierrez 4 months ago
"You'd be great if you'd just shut your mouth" PSHHHHHHHHHHT YAK IT UP GIRL!!!!I grew up around these accents and have none whatsoever, but I would be proud if I did. What's ignorant is assuming dialect has that much to do with intelligence!
koolhatesme 10 months ago 25
That first ladies accent almost sounds like the ol' New York accent.
Jubel06 11 months ago
@Jubel06 It's funny you say that. I'm from Lake Charles, 200 miles west of N.O., but I have a lot of relatives who live in Kenner and Metairie, near the airport and they sound like her. In fact I tease my cousin about sounding like a yankee, like Edith Bunker, and she says I sound like J.R. Ewing from the old TV show 'Dallas'. I guess we all talk like the people we hear the most.
ridgerunner721601 10 months ago
@Jubel06 The White New Orleans accent is called Yat and has a sound that is like a brooklyn accent mixed with a southern accent full of words that come from translations from the French language.
IslenoGutierrez 4 months ago
Straight out da Nolia, like a playboy ain't neva had nutin!
Ya hurd me?
BPwhistleblower 11 months ago
sounds like NYC at the end
scarynight63 11 months ago
@scarynight63 I hear that some Louisianans sound like they're from Brooklyn because of similar immigrant mix.
Wolfsrain90 10 months ago
@Wolfsrain90 WHO the hell told you that! STOP THINKING THAT ALL OF LOUISIANA IS LIKE NEW ORLEANS...ITS NOT.
Dieudonne357 10 months ago
@Dieudonne357 Where did I say that all of Louisiana is like New Orleans?
Wolfsrain90 10 months ago
@Dieudonne357 No, it's not... We used to say that "LA" stood for "Lower Arkansas", and it seems like peole in the north of Louisiana have MUCH stronger 'southern' accents and tend to be Baptists, whereas people in "N'awlins" have a very distinctive accent, somewhat Brooklynish, but with Cajun expressions thrown in, and most people tend to be Catholic....
shmuli9 9 months ago
@shmuli9 my wife and i are Creole. my folks are from Cecile, Baton rouge, Ville Platte, Lafayette & Carencro....we all speak french and our accents are very different than those found in N.O.
Dieudonne357 9 months ago
@Dieudonne357 Most people in New Orleans are Creoles, both White, mixed race and Blacks. In New Orleans, Creole just means being from the New Orleans area born and raised in Creole culture. Creole used to be Whites, then Blacks and mixed race, but today it is everyone from New Orleans. I'm sure y'all version of Creole is mixed race, but that is only one kind. Originally Creoles were the Whites of New Orleans, but later included mixed race and Blacks. New Orleans and all it's people are Creoles.
IslenoGutierrez 4 months ago
@Dieudonne357 Well, seeing that Creole culture came from New Orleans from Whites, mixed race and Blacks all creating it together, it would seem that New Orleans accents are all creole accents. I've heard the "creole" accents of out in Cajun country, and they sound cajun to me. To us, we have creole accents, ya'll have cajun accents. No offense, but it's just how we see it. Btw, in New Orleans, creole is not a specific race. There are white creoles, mixed race creoles and blacks.
IslenoGutierrez 1 week ago
@IslenoGutierrez ok and black new oleans creole didnt come from whites baby girl it came from the FRENCH(YOU NEED TO BE SPECFIC)
dmoney450 6 days ago
@dmoney450 Racist comment? Lol, are you serious? I can't say anything positive about whites without being called racist? Get real. Also, French are white people, so yeah, creole did come from whites. The south don't sound black, ever thought blacks sound southern? I mean being that's where the spread out from. Yeah, there are blacks on the Westbank, but most people know most of the Westbank was white. But again, I'm defending whites, so now you gonna call me racist, lol. Unbelievable.
IslenoGutierrez 6 days ago
@shmuli9
Yeah, I moved to the North Shore, Tangipahoa Parish... While it isn't exactly Northern Louisiana, everyone here is Baptist and everyone besides the N.O. refugees like me, has the country sounding accent. As soon as I open my mouth they say, ah, your from New Orleans. Not many Catholics up here but they got a few churches.
fredlburrows 5 months ago
@fredlburrows There are enough Catholics around throughout the entire state of Louisiana and even surrounding parts of nearby states that they are still recognizable to some capacity. Certainly not majority. Even if 10% of people from a state like South Carolina are Catholic, people have to recognize they are both southern and Catholic. Everyone wants to paint a stereotypical brush of everyone to make it easy for their mind to grasp.
tmaz0126 4 months ago
@tmaz0126
I'm used to most everyone being Catholic thats how it was in Greater N.O. not so much here in Tangi.
fredlburrows 4 months ago
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@fredlburrows Many African-Americans in New Orleans are not Catholic (although more than other parts of the country). I'm sure there are still some Catholics there though. It is easier to know people's denominations in the place you're from. People mix and cross denominations which really makes it unclear of who is what today. Most Catholics are only it in title and don't go to church for anything more than Christmas, a wedding or funeral. That is why it is best to speak in traditional context.
tmaz0126 4 months ago
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@fredlburrows Even most African-Americans you knew were Catholic?
tmaz0126 4 months ago
@Wolfsrain90 you are correct but only from new orleans and the surrounding areas when i was in the military a guy argued with me that i was not from new orleans he said i was from boston or brooklyn he said that a friend of his was from new orleans and had a country accent i said maybe he lives in new orleans but he might be from mississippi or baton rouge both have the distinct country southern accent.
devilred1971 8 months ago
NOLA PRIDE! YEA YOU RIGHT!
jackavlanche 11 months ago 2
How you doin dawlin?? haha, reppin lower 9 and arabi baby!!
asbrettdefeats 11 months ago
Oh my gawd! I am LMAO! this is hilarious!!!!!
RedLikeWine 11 months ago
thats my city baby
3930college 1 year ago
What kind of accent does the narrator have?
1acroyear1 1 year ago
Hollywood movies can never get New Orleans accent right. Never, ever, ever..
MrGuy92 1 year ago 64
@MrGuy92 What do you think they should do to get it right?
nubapowner5000 9 months ago
@MrGuy92 yea i'm from nawlins too and you are right we either sound like justin wilson or have a country accent they come to new orleans and they can't hear the way we speak.
devilred1971 8 months ago
@MrGuy92 I thought I was the only person who thought that! Tell that to Brad Pitt, please!!
bbrewe3 8 months ago
@MrGuy92 Yes, that's right. Youtube doesn't always do much better though. Remember that there is an agenda behind everything.
tmaz0126 4 months ago
@MrGuy92 agreed
tricey2300 3 months ago
@MrGuy92 Why do some ppl from nola sound like theyre from nj? (like the first lady)
and they never get ANY SOUTHERN accent right, what makes you think they can do nola? :P
Rachulie 2 months ago
@Rachulie That accent some people think sound like a Ny/Nj accent is known as the New Orleans Yat accent which was usually associated with Downtown New Orleans, but also existed as well in Mid City/Gentilly and parts of Uptown like the Irish Channel and Carrolton, which it was the most widespread accent. It is the old White New Orleans accent which still exists in parts of the city today, but is extremely strong in the suburbs now, due to White flight of the city in the 60's, 70's and 80's.
IslenoGutierrez 2 months ago
instrumental - When have I ever asked for your input though? Why do you purposely ignore when I say something is backed by the ''US CENSUS'' if I showed that Wikipedia link? Why would I care what university you go to? You sound a bit inseucre to boast about that to strangers on Youtube. A public university is so impressive! I go to one too. Probably a better one too. It is funny that someone isn't grammatically perfect is criticizing someone else (especially since you don't even give examples).
tmaz0126 1 year ago
And yes the Creole, Cajun, and Yat dialects are all separate. But the YAT was influenced in part by Acadians in the area. I know from family history. Wikipedia is not 100% on that. Like Acadian French is different than Parisian French yet originated and influence by it. They learned English from the pre-existing folks in the area; African Americans, Acadians, Southern White, Irish immigrants before their own arrival. Who had greatest influence on them depended on their associations of course.
trubengalgold 1 year ago
And yes the Creole, Cajun, and Yat dialects are all separate. But the YAT was influenced in part by Acadians in the area. Like Acadian French is different than Parisian French yet originated and influence by it. They learned English from the pre-existing folks in the area; African Americans, Acadians, Southern White, Irish immigrants before their own arrival. Who had greatest influence on them depended on their associations of course.
trubengalgold 1 year ago
@trubengalgold Yes, I'd agree there was an Acadian influence on the accent. The reason being they'd be more likely to have knowledge of English during the 1800's (even if not great) than newer southern or eastern European immigrants. An accent comes into exist without one even realizing it. If anything, it loses it's authenticy when people begin thinking and tweaking withit. Honestly, there really only seems to be 3 noticeable dialects in NOLA today.
tmaz0126 1 year ago
@trubengalgold Yes, I'd agree there was an Acadian influence on the accent. The reason being they'd be more likely to have knowledge of English during the 1800's (even if not great) than newer southern or eastern European immigrants. An accent comes into exist without one even realizing it. If anything, it loses it's authenticy when people begin thinking and tweaking withit. Honestly, there really only seems to be 3 noticeable dialects in NOLA today.
tmaz0126 1 year ago
@trubengalgold Those three being standard American English, AAVE, Yat/white New Orleans & close suburbs accent. The only difference is African American New Orleanians seems to have more Yat pronunciations and vocabulary than with whites in other cities like NYC, Philly or Chicago. Their longer history in NOLA is likely why. There really doesn't sound like there are divisions of white accents and the mixed Creoles have largely been absorbed by the larger black population.
tmaz0126 1 year ago
@trubengalgold Another thing that can mislead people is that when you are walking through New Orleans, lots of suburbanites are in the city. Many of commutable suburbs have southern accents. For the most part, you can't know if the average stranger you encounter is from NOLA or a suburb. Just like most NYC suburbs (except for Long Island, lower Westchester and a narrow small strip in northern NJ) and Manhattan (due to transplants) don't have the same traditional accent.
tmaz0126 1 year ago
@tmaz0126 Now wait a minute. I am born and raised in the New Orleans area. My family are Whites of French and Spanish descent from the 9th Ward that moved to the suburbs in the 1970's. And I am telling you that all native born White people in the New Orleans area have a similar yat speech. From the Whites of the city to the Whites of the suburbs, it's all variations on the same Yat accent. The same goes for the Black accent of the metro area. The non-yat Whites are not native to N.O..
IslenoGutierrez 4 months ago
@IslenoGutierrez I'll send you a message to explain what I meant (not necessarily that) for the sake of brevity and Slovakian whiners.
tmaz0126 4 months ago
@IslenoGutierrez I'm a non-yat white / middle-easterner born and raised in nola
ralujk 2 months ago
@ralujk How are you White, born and raised in Nola, and not have Yat accent? That's like saying I'm born and raised in the U.S., but I don't have an American accent.
IslenoGutierrez 2 months ago
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@ralujk How are you White, born and raised in Nola, and not have Yat accent? That's like saying I'm born and raised in the U.S., but I don't have an American accent.
IslenoGutierrez 2 months ago
@trubengalgold Good point.
tmaz0126 4 months ago
YAT accent originated from the Irish, Italian, German, and some Polish and Hungarian immigrants from 1850 to 1900 who migrated for work at Port of New Orleans. Back then it was the second largest port of immigration and trade to NY. Same demographics as folks who settled Jersey and Brookly. Yats learned English from Cajuns and Blacks. That is why they can sound like blue collar NY/NJ folks but with a slower roll and slight drawl.
trubengalgold 1 year ago
@trubengalgold Yat didn't originate with those groups. Those groups just added to it. If Irish, Italian, German, Polish & Hungarian immigrants were the many contributors to the accent/dialect, than many Midwestern cities would sound very similar and the traditional accents don't. It isn't the same demography. Just look at New Orleans growth in the 1820's and 1830's & it'll explain why 40% of white New Orleanians are of Scots-Irish, English & French ancestry, which is much higher than up north.
tmaz0126 1 year ago
@tmaz0126 I recently traveled and spent some time in all of Biloxi, New Orleans, the rest of the area and Thibodaux and Houma. Generally speaking, the accent most New Orleanians seem to have (perhaps due to transplants moving in and out, especially due to Katrina) is close to standard American English. Most of the white and non-black people either have a light southern accent or no regional accent. I actually noticed more features in the blacks who pronounced things differently from AAVE.
tmaz0126 1 year ago
@tmaz0126 Towns in St Bernard's Parish do have heavier accents than other parts of the New Orleans are. But many people (especially the youth) have very light accents. It's really like that in alots of places though. The one thing Louisianas won't ever give up though is the word ya'll. I think I heard it from a waitor or waitnress in like 15 consecutive restaurants lol
tmaz0126 1 year ago
@tmaz0126 I think you misunderstand. The Yats did get some influence from earlier folks. The folks who taught them English had their own dialect. The Acadians knew English but with their own accent. Point is the wave if immigration form 1850s to 1900 were predominantly Irish, German, and Italian Catholics. Similar to NY/NJ at time. Not Midwesterners. Those were Germans and Scandinavian and later Italians and Irish to Chicago after 1870.
trubengalgold 1 year ago
@trubengalgold So it isn't the same demographics of immigrants who went to NY or NJ. Why do people keep saying Brooklyn too? The demographics of European immigrants who went to NYC really doesn't vary incredibly in terms of what groups went there (regardless of borough or even the metro area for that matter). How'd the ''Yats'' learn English from Cajuns if many Cajuns didn't know English when those immigrants arrived? Lots of black Creole New Orleanians took time to learn too.
tmaz0126 1 year ago
@tmaz0126 Many cajuns did not know English. But some did. The yats also picked up some from Creoles somewhat but not much as they did not socialize with Creoles due to a local caste systems. And Creoles were not necessarily just Black mixed with white. Creoles were technically any Frenchman born in New World but whose parents originated in France. The Yats actually were the 1850 to 1900 immigrants. They took the local accent and brought it home so to speak to become what it is today.
trubengalgold 1 year ago
@trubengalgold The definition of Creole tends to vary greatly. People tend to generally acknowledge it in New Orleans to mean a multiracial person born themselves or born to the descendants of French New Orleans. The multiracial mixing was very common there and I'm sure the poorer whites worked and communicated with them more than other southern cities.
tmaz0126 1 year ago
@tmaz0126 You are correct. There are various definitions. My ancestry is mutiracial including Creole, Acadian, and American Indian. I also have relatives who are Sicilian and Irish who are 3rd and 4th generation New Orleanians descended from those who immigrated in late 19th century. My uncle is an example. His ancestry is Irish, Acadian, Italian, and Hungarian. And yeah Yat as can be.
trubengalgold 1 year ago
@trubengalgold Demographically speaking, there are lots of Northeastern/Midwestern cities that collected even higher proportions of the European immigrant groups you've mentioned. Yet if you compare the Yat to those (ex. Pittsburgh and Scranton, PA, Providence, RI), the accents just don't sound alike. What you'd need to understand is what gave an accent it's structure prior to their arrival.
tmaz0126 1 year ago
@trubengalgold In NYC, the initial transformation of a Dutch colony (fellow west Germanic speakers) into an English one created new dialect patterns that future people still carry to this day.
''The point you are missing is that the YAT accent of today would not be what it is if it wasn't for the influence of the immigrants just before and then after Civil War up until end of 19th century.''
tmaz0126 1 year ago
@trubengalgold And the point is if those New Orleanians (whites southerners, Creoles, Acadians) weren't there to teach them it, there wouldn't be a Yat dialect today. It really isn't unique in America to say ''A bunch of Irish, German, Italian, Hungarian and Polish immigrants moved here in the mid-to-late 1800's/early 1900's.'' That's where most of states like Pennsylvania and Ohio acquired their populations.
tmaz0126 1 year ago
@trubengalgold Those immigrants who came to NOLA could have went there and they would have never had the Yat. The Yat is just a merging of several generations of various demographics. The easier unintellectual pro-Hollywood/New York way out is to just say ''Brooklyn! Now I'm going to bed.''
''YAT did not become YAT until the arrival of the later immigrants. Got it?''
The modern ''Yat'' you know. There were elements of it that existed before the mid-1800's though.
tmaz0126 1 year ago
@trubengalgold Those immigrants who came to NOLA could have went there and they would have never had the Yat. The Yat is just a merging of several generations of various demographics. The easier unintellectual pro-Hollywood/New York way out is to just say ''Brooklyn! Now I'm going to bed.''
''YAT did not become YAT until the arrival of the later immigrants. Got it?''
The modern ''Yat'' you know. There were elements of it that existed before the mid-1800's though.
tmaz0126 1 year ago
@trubengalgold Just not in the way we know it today. Honestly though, do you think Americans sound the same as what your ear has heard in your life time as the mid-to-late 1800's period? You're saying the new immigrants of the mid-to-late 1800's and their descendants used the influences of people there prior. Yet you're not taking into account the pre-1850's whites descendants.
tmaz0126 1 year ago
@trubengalgold ''The immigrants past 1850 had influence. But what is YAT was formed from their influence as they reshaped NOLA English pre-1850.''
As with the demographical evidence I showed you, newer post-1850's European immigrants held less of a proportion to the white population than newer immigrants did to most Northeastern and Midwestern cities during this time. When you're trying to observe the creation of an accent, you need to have comparisons to understand it's formation.
tmaz0126 1 year ago
@trubengalgold Demographically speaking, there are lots of Northeastern/Midwestern cities that collected even higher proportions of the European immigrant groups you've mentioned. Yet if you compare the Yat to those (ex. Pittsburgh and Scranton, PA, Providence, RI), the accents just don't sound alike.
tmaz0126 1 year ago
@tmaz0126 What you are not taking into account was that these immigrants were uneducated blue collar types who learned English from other working class folks, namely African Americans blue collars, Acadians, and those Scotch-Irish, Southern English pre civil war folks. Like I posted you are half right. They learned broken English with folks with their own dialect along with Southern Whites and their dialect. Yes in my other post I left out the other folkd besides Acadians and blacks.
trubengalgold 1 year ago
@trubengalgold ''It started with Italians and then other nationalities in a city that was already mutliracial.''
Now you're saying Italians created the Yat even though you're saying the development of the accent occurred decades prior to the bulk of their arrival? That doesn't make any sense. Like NYC, Italians assimilated into the local identity and accents of the region.
tmaz0126 1 year ago
@tmaz0126 You misunderstand. The Italians were the first non-Irish, Southern Anglo, French (Acadian or Creole) nationality to gain momentum in the post 1850 era. They learned English from Irish immigrants, post 1850 and pre 1850 types, Acadians who moved from rural areas for port jobs, and later on African Americans, among other folks. They blended in and put their own influence on the local dialect. Their influence started shaping the dialect into the YAT of today. Then the Germans added to it.
trubengalgold 1 year ago
@trubengalgold Not just did the elements of these two generations accents mix together, but the people did too. Like one said, virtually all the whites are now mixed now so there is no way of tracking one generation and one accent.
''The Italians were the first non-Irish, Southern Anglo, French (Acadian or Creole) nationality to gain momentum in the post 1850 era.''
They didn't start gaining their momentum until the last couple decades of the 1800's and even the early 1900's.
tmaz0126 1 year ago
@trubengalgold Most Irish immigrants at that point were either elderly or dead. You're loosely crediting everyone which is nice and all. Yet not practical. Like I said, if those European immigrants were the key contributors to the accent, than they'd sound like a run-of-the-mill Midwestern city. Yet the tradition accent doesn't. Why?
''The Italian influence is significant in NOLA. I am related by marriage to two large Sicilian families from the West Bank.''
tmaz0126 1 year ago
@trubengalgold They didn't start gaining their momentum until the last couple decades of the 1800's and even the early 1900's. All of my paternal ancestry is Italian. Trust me, the key contributors to the structure of an accent are fellow native English speakers, than west Germanic, than other Germanic. Examples: Jamaicans having a larger impact on English spoken in local Toronto & London communities more than larger groups ; Ashkenazi Jews on NYC accent...
tmaz0126 1 year ago