So lets follow the flow chart like in your video, but lets make it for Republicans:
Corporations----->Republicans-------> Bust up Unions-------> Make Democrats weaker----------> Elect majorities of Republicans ------------Take away workers rights -----------> Help Corporations ----------> Destroys America.
This is the fight that will determine where America will be. Will it stand for opportunity or will it deregulate itself to a third world country that no one wants to come to. Your call.
All this posting about slavery. Like a spoiled child that doesn't want to clean their room. "I didn't sign a contract to be part of this family or household". "I don't have to do anything I don't want to". Pathetic. Grow up losers.
@IronicKismet Tell that to black slaves in the 19th century South. They did not sign a contract agreeing to work on the plantations, even though they got free food and free housing.
Is that what you say to children? That they are pathetic? Is that what your parents said to you?
We all have responsibilities, and we all, sometimes, have to do things we don't want to do, but there is no need to use force for people to learn that lesson, and you don't have the right to make anyone pay for or support something they think is morally abhorrent, whether it be war, torture or an abortion.
@somecomputergeek I am supposing you are not a child. I would expect a child to act like a child and an adult to act like an adult. An adult that acts like a spoiled child because they don't get their way is pathetic. If you don't like how your gov't represents you, you are free to vote otherwise. You are also free to convince others your ideas are better. Its called democracy. Maybe you are no good at convincing anyone that your ideas are valid?
Because they don't "get their way"? By not getting their way, you mean being FORCED to do something? If that's the case, then everyone who complains about getting mugged is acting like a spoiled child.
stefbot has a great video called "the truth about voting". I suggest you watch it.
Getting somebody addicted to violence to put the gun down is a tough job, yes, but we're trying.
I apologize for the confusion. Allow me to clear it up.
These three are all about force:
1) Being forced to clean your room.
2) Being forced to give a mugger your money.
3) Begin forced to give the government your money.
#1 is different, because parents don't threaten to shoot their son for not obeying.
#2 and #3, on the other hand, are directly comparable. YOU are the one who introduced #1, as if it was comparable to #3. I introduced #2 as an obviously more apt comparison.
@somecomputergeek So the gov't shoots you for not paying your taxes? There are many people in this country that haven't paid taxes in years and walk around free and even if you get caught you don't get shot. The govt 't didnt even shoot Al Capone. I don't ever remember comparing cleaning your room to a mugging. Are you sure you are responding to the right person? I thought I implying everyone is obligated to pay their fair share when you live amoung other humans and benefit from the association
No, they don't shoot you. They just send a couple of guys with guns to your house to tie you up and throw you in a cage. They only shoot you if you defend yourself.
"Fair share", huh? Well, I'm going to be murdering 100 people in the next 5 days (just kidding, I'm not going to do that), and I need to raise some money to pay for bullets. Pay your fair share, or else bad things will happen to you.
Just to make it "democratic", I'll let you vote on what kind of gun I will use.
@somecomputergeek YOU are not the collective will of the people. YOU alone cannot decide for everyone. This seems obvious but I guess this concept is not very obvious to everyone. YOU cannot raise an army and go to war. YOU cannot force people to pay taxes. I guess its just the egocentric attitude of the anarchist that provides the impetus for this anlaogy. I...ME...I...ME....I...ME...just like a child trapped in an adult body. Grow up, get a job and pay your taxes.
There is no such thing as "collective will". Some individuals SHARE desires and AGREE to work together, but there is no "collective will".
You, and people who share your desires IMPOSE your will onto others AGAINST THEIR WILL, and you call this "collective will"? And you call THEM a child if they speak up against your violence?
To me, violence and ignorance are childish, and trying to correct the errors of violent people is the only grown-up thing to do.
@somecomputergeek So I am a slave that imposes my will on my master? "Correct the errors of violent people". Like A Clockwork Orange? People working together, symbiotically, towards a common goal is a great force for good. I'm sure you will produce a 100 instances where the group has produce horrific atrocities but behind those 100 is a 1000000 instances producing positive results. If you're looking for perfection, you should look elsewhere besides the human race. An adult understands this.
I'm not talking about people working together in groups to accomplish GOOD. I'm talking about people working together in groups to use VIOLENCE against PEACEFUL PEOPLE, and PRETENDING that it's good. There's a BIG difference.
You keep on using the words "adult" and "child" to reference people who ACCEPT or COMMIT violence (adult) and people who are SUBJECTED to violence against their will and don't like it (child).
You didn't compare cleaning a room to a mugging, as I already explained.
You compared obedience to parents with obedience to a state. I pointed out that parents don't shoot their children for disobedience (usually), and said a more apt analogy is a mugger, for reasons obvious to some, but apparently not obvious to others.
Also, there are many people in this country that do drugs and the government hasn't gotten to them because they don't have the resources. Taxation is similar.
@somecomputergeek No, you were making my point for me rather than allowing me to make my own point. Maybe I am just the strawman you are using to justify your point of view to yourself? Anyway, at the core of the arguement you are always free to convince others your view is valid or you can leave the safety of the group and find another group. However, you just want the entire group to think and believe yours is the only moral viewpoint. Seems pretty draconian for one you values freedom so much
The unions pay isn't even up to the cost of living they should get 10 bucks more an hour and people who work in a box store can't even afford a car payment.
Look too Wall ST - they stole all the money... Real simple.. and continue to do so
The Internet is being used to revolutionize societies. Tell your Congressman to rewrite the “Employee Freedom of Choice Act” so it uses the Internet to allow workers to request and conduct union votes DIRECTLY with the NLRB. Truly secret votes where employers can’t identify and fire organizers. Force employers to bargain with unions 30 days after a successful vote. Bring in an arbitrator 30 days later if no contract is in place. In 2012 VOTE for Obama, House & Senate majorities and pass it!
THERE IS NO “FAIR” WAGE FOR TEACHERS. The closest we can come is that wage structure produced from negotiations between a strong teachers union and a powerful government body. Pitting a SINGLE employee against a powerful state government or a multi-national corporation is laughingly unfair. Only through COLLECTIVE bargaining between these entities can something approaching a “fair” wage be reached. While this might be somewhat “fair,” the best teachers can still go to other states that pay more.
It is the debt servicing costs (compound interest) which has stolen value from the people.
Eliminate the theft of your taxes by the bank taken in the form of Interest and Profit and you will have enough value in the existing system to "pave the streets with gold", so to speak.
Focus on the true enemy, the money changers. The Government is us, the bank is them.
If banks only had service charges for service rendered, then this would be equitable.
@Darkhorse21x To follow your argument, if the money is not backed by debt, then there is no issue. Interest is legitimate if money is lent. If I lend my brother money and charge him interest, what's wrong with that? Nothing. When the money itself is debt, that's the problem and I think that's where your argument should focus.
@Darkhorse21x Interest is payment for the risk the lender takes... Money today is always more valuable then the same amount of money 1 year from now... Even under a system without inflation this is true. If a person came to you and said you can have 100 $ today, or 100 $ a year from now. You will of-course prefer 100 today... But if he says "If I can pay you 1 year from now, I can give you 150$"
The problem is that interest rates is controlled by the central banks,, I call it Economic communism
Collateral is the consideration for the risk the lender takes.If the lender takes less security than the loan is worth then he is a fool.
Suppose you get a loan and don't make ANY payments?
How much interest did the banker earn?
Interest is theft of value.
If you buy a house for $250,000 and you pay that + another $250,000 in interest, what value is attributable to your home because of the interest you paid?
NONE.
It would be reasonable to charge a service fee and let banks compete.
Those Federal Reserve Notes are backed by government violence. The only way people can have that much power is by using brute force, or tricking others into using brute force, or at least paying for it, by force if necessary.
You're right in the sense that the banksters are one of "them", but the government isn't "us", it's "their" armed thug. Giving him a bigger gun won't help "us".
The "Government" is the management, administration and production departments for THE COMPANY known as; CANADA, UNITED STATES, ONTARIO, TEXAS, JAPAN GERMANY ETC.ETC.......
You are a shareholder in a company (aka COUNTRY) which is under threat of hostile takeover by banking cartels.
It's not personal, it's just business. Federal Reserve notes are backed by a pledge made by the company that they an pay back the loan. U R the collateral. Its not complicated.
How many shares do I hold? Where is this share? Can I sell it? How much is it worth?
I'm about as much of a "shareholder" in the United States as a slave is in the plantation. First, you say I'm a shareholder, which is ridiculous, and then you say I am collateral, which is much more accurate. However, if I'm "collateral", that means that I am owned by somebody, and that somebody is the state, and the state is controlled by the banks, and your solution is to...what?
You gotta think outside the box man.The ROI is the relative increase in benefits available to you. It is not exactly like the typical "share offering" but not entirely unlike it either. Your "labor"is what is held as collateral and not you specifically. Willing has nothing to do with it. It is about honoring a contract or acting in dishonor. It is not slavery. No coercion is involved when Mother signs 4 U. Deal with reality.
Steph, you pick on teachers very often. Leave then alone. Many do want change and care for children and literacy. Teacher’s voices are silenced and given directives by those who want education to fail – your average politicians and policy maker. I would like to see you in a real classroom dealing with the myriad problems kids bring. You may not live in an ivory tower but you certainly still have posters of them on your walls. We know whom the corrupt source is, so stick to them.
@SuperXwriter Because they are an easy target. The real culprit is the banking system which Stef always ignores. The governments have created their own misery by signing onto loans which have stolen value from the constituents. Reform the finance system. Remove interest from loans. Banks only earn money through service fees. Free Market Baby, as Stef wood say. Interest and profit are the thieves. taxes are payment for services. Don't be fooled by this pied piper. Govt needs reform not removal.
YouTube allows an upload to be used as a video comment on just a SINGLE posting. So please search YouTube for “Introduction to Teaching 101.mpeg”. Don’t know how much of my taxes are going to study public education, but Washington could save a LOT on consultant fees by just reading the responses to my above upload from hard pressed teachers from around the country. Teachers KNOW what is wrong with American education – career and politically motivated administrators do not.
Darkhorse responded to one of my comments once... It was my choice not to respond, the judgement was made because his reply was a judgement of me without any information about me... Just saying, looks like I profited.
Just adding a comment to help this vid move up the ratings...on page 1 of 'most discussed'...sounds like Stef is beating the mainstream coverage with his rationality.
@pretorious700 And the world is full of people who talk about markets without understanding shit about them. In a free market freedom of movement of CAPITAL must be accompanied by freedom of movement of LABOR. That's not a 20something knowing it all, it's ADAM SMITH in Wealth of Nations.
In Wisconsin capitalists are free to move their business to Mexico, now tell me, how free are Mexicans to move their labor to Wisconsin?
@DonVoghano Are you aware that Stef actually supports Mexicans moving their labor to Wisconsin or wherever else they want to go? Do you even know his take on the immigrant issue? Look up "Why Libertarianism Fails Part 3" on his channel.
@OutofHandTV I'm aware of the fact that his bargaining diagrams on this video are ridiculous. He actually presents the situation of private workers vs capitalist boss as "balanced," while making an even more laughable case showing how "imbalanced" in favor of workers (!!!!) the public sector is. Now to understand that basic imbalance of our pseudo-liberal economy and still misrepresent the facts like he has in this video is either schizophrenia or malevolence.
@DonVoghano His diagram of the private workers vs. capitalist workers is representative of true free market business practice, NOT the pseudo "free market" Corporate structure. Workers against boss. Simple.
And his public sector diagram is actually a very simple illustration of how the union workers are being paid from the wages of the rest of the citizens. There is no "capitalist boss", because the state is not a company for profit. Can you clarify how he's misrepresenting "facts"?
@OutofHandTV He's not talking ideals here, he's making a point about a current issue, namely Wisconsin. Now he's stating that Wisconsin public workers have undue bargaining power because somehow the unions control the democratic party.
However in today's reality private sector workers have lost ALL their bargaining power to delocalization, and the democratic party is controlled mainly by Wall St. money, seriously affecting the bargaining power of unions even in the public sector.
@OutofHandTV The main difference is that whilst private sector bosses can just threaten to delocalize plants, the state cannot do the same. In order to break the unions' backs therefore the only alternative option is to directly legislate against them, as they are trying to do. There is no balance here, there is only an elite abusing its position to crush the middle and working class. His diagram MAY work under IDEAL condition, but is completely worthless applied to the reality we face.
He is preaching to the choir. This is a well disguised marketing ploy. Build up a critical mass of sheep on the internet, get the attention of Oprah etc and start selling the pre-written books just waiting for a gullible market.
Wrong! The politicians are still representatives of the corporation (the State) and the Koch bros. certainly prove their is still downward pressure on wages. Also, once the money is earned by the worker it's quite elitist to say that the money came from the tax payers. No, the money comes from the workers who earned it.
The schools get poor results due to Liberals and the National Dep't. of Education focusing more on political indoctrination than education. Schools were better before Carter. FU
Low scores are due to God-less western peer society. The smart are culled out as not to speak out about the God-less western peer society. The states and people constantly needing more money is the result of the fiat money value constantly being skimmed through borrowning and devaluing.
Furthermore, to exclude the biggest drain on tax payer funds, the military industrial complex, from this conversation voids his whole point.Stefan has also avoided talking about the executive class of government, he is only looking at the unionized part of the government.
Darkhorse21x, So I guess if 57 men come together and claim the right to take anyone's money who lives within the boundaries they identify have the moral right to take half of anyone's labor who have CHOSEN to be born there? And anyone ignorant enough to be born there has contracted with those men giving them consent to use violence against them if they do not pony up their hard earned cash? You sir/ma'am, are very sad and extremely confused.
The claim of the 57 men depend upon it's validity.
Have you benefited form a product which the 57 men provided on your behalf?
If they have not, then their claim is not valid.
Adults pay taxes not infants so you do not pay taxes for 18 years yet you do receive benefits therefore by 18 you may be indebted to the 57 men who come together (your words not mine).
Now after receiving benefits for 18 years you say, sorry I don't want to pay?
@Darkhorse21x No I have not. Their regulations, restrictions, licensing, fees and taxes have damaged the wealth I could have created had it not been for their interference.
And to suggest that you are not only born into debt but accrue debt for being indoctrinated into these brain destroying government institutions of propaganda (public school) or any of the other service you have no choice but to use is utterly insane.
@Darkhorse21x That would be like saying to your child who just turned 18 that he owes you every penny you spent on him and compensation for all the time it took to raise them. Are you really that sick or just delusional. How much do you make off the government anyway? You are either a government employee or PROFIT in some way from government theft to defend such tyranny.
@Darkhorse21x You are not understanding the analogy. No one has accepted anything. taxes are collect by threat of violence against you. If you cannot understand that or accept reality then you clearly have problems.
I don't care what Stefan says or does. I have come to my own conclusions with all the information I have researched myself. I do not believe anything anyone says unless I can verify it as being true.
@Darkhorse21x XD! You really need to straighten out your meds or you are so insane that meds do not benefit you. Your posts are hysterical though. Thanks for the laugh. LOL!
@Darkhorse21x You are so sad. i do not pay taxes, they are stolen from me by threat of violence. Just like the Mafia, if you do not pay their tax they will hurt you.
@Darkhorse21x Where is her signature then? You keep avoiding this question. Where are the signed agreements that we agree to violent force being used against us is we do not labor for the benefit of our masters/government? Where is this voluntary agreement? Where is MY commitment? Show to be. Oh. You can't? It's a myth you say? How interesting.
Submit an application for an official copy to the state you were born in with the required fee and they will send you a stamped official copy. They keep the original in a vault.
The registration makes you property of the state for your life. They have the first in line claim on you.
The rest of the laws/statutes are all there for your review. The use of force is ONLY used after due process has been exhausted with the exclusion of any jeopardy of safety to you.
@Darkhorse21x That is not an agreement. Maybe in your mind. i have never signed any agreement without my attorney first reviewing it and my parents did not sign any agreement either. Show me the fine print that says I agree to have force used against me if I do not hand over my hard earned money.
And I am not going to keep searching to carry on 3 different conversations with you on the same subject.
Force is only used after you have had due process exhausted. You always get to appear in court to plead your case. unfortunately, by showing up you have admitted guilt.
Ironically, U R a government employee as well, Your SS or SIN # is an employee #. You have a retirement plan and benefits and taxes (deductions) are taken to pay for the benefits provided. Don't cry to me, you consented when you SUBMITTED an APPLICATION for a SS or SIN #.
Your Father was not required to sign but his name may be indicated on the document unless it is listed as "unknown". ALL that is required is your Mothers signature.
Your Mother is the VESSEL.
You are the CARGO.
You were BIRTHED (BERTHED).
Down a CANAL.
Upon receipt of the cargo from the vessel, the receiving country (corporation) registers the cargo and gains title there to. After paying DUTY the cargo is released with "care and control" to the handler (parents).
It's more like indentured servitude really as I have the capacity to find employment with another country (corporation) and then subcontract out my services to another or multiple employers.
CANADA is a great corporation to work for compared to others like PORTUGAL, IRELAND, GREECE, or SPAIN.
J.D. Rockefeller.: "Own nothing, control everything".
Your Mothers signature is on your Registration of Live Birth. Your Mothers signature is witnessed by the signature of a nurse who can attest to her free will. So to sum up, your Mother submitted (bent to the will of another) an application (begged) a registration (request to be granted rights and privileges) on YOUR BEHALF.
CONTRACT is OFFER, ACCEPTANCE and CONSIDERATION (means something of value, i.e. THE BENEFITS)
@Darkhorse21x You should seek help. No one in my family ever agreed to have threats and/or force used against them to steal their hard earned money. Aggressive violence and coercion is wrong. Try to justify it all you want. You are just feeding your delusion that we are all willing slaves because our mother signed a piece of paper when we were born. How demented is that> And even if mothers did sign an agreement to enslave and sell off their children it would be evil and unenforceable.
So misguided. You are not a slave. You are receiving benefits at the request of your Mother. Your Mother did not negotiate an end date for the contract so it continues into perpetuity. The fact that you are now pissing your pants over the revelation of the contracts existence is irrelevant.
Offer, Acceptance and Consideration are all that are required for contract.
@Darkhorse21x And you are just plain ignorant. No one signed any contract. No mother committed their children to state enslavement. These are figments of your delusional mind. No one agreed to be forced to us government services and then be billed for them. We are all under threat of violence if we do not give over half our hard earned money. That is theft. It is aggression against peaceful people. It is wrong at the least and evil at best. Break your mental chains and see the truth!
The Mothers signature binds the child as a citizen. It does not bind the child 2 tax, just provides some benefits.
The SIN application binds you to tax in CANADA and U cannot prove otherwise as it is a FACT. VOLUNTARY RELATIONSHIP.
The Registration of your interest in a Tenancy in Fee Simple Binds you to pay property tax and U cannot prove otherwise as it is a FACT. VOLUNTARY RELATIONSHIP.
Ask Stef why he CHOSE CANADA over IRELAND if he H8's socialism so much.
@outrageousgriot They take a huge risk and I would not recommend it. Just as I would not advise a shopkeeper to refuse to pay the mafia. I pay our mafia government because I fear losing all that I have worked for. For now they only get half and I would rather have half then nothing and be locked in a cage with violent criminals.
@Darkhorse21x I have land that has no roads going to it and uses no government services. I have not even taken the private roads to see it in 5 years. Yet I am forced to pay taxes on this property. Taxes that are used for schools I do not use etc. So there goes your whole you-accepted-their-services-by-using-them-so-therefore-you-are-bound-by-an-invisible-contract BS!
Look at your land title document. You are listed as TENANT IN FEE SIMPLE. Your property is registered with the state. You have what is known as care and control but the state NEVER relinquished ownership.
Private ownership is a myth. Try making a mess on your private property and see what happens. The state comes in and cleans it up after due process and then puts the bill on your tax assessment.
The truth has been staring U in the face all along.
@Darkhorse21x Well duh if the government has centralized control over everything then obiously you cannot have true property rights.
More question begging. Every single post you made here is question beggging. I'm only going to say it a couple more times. There's no point in argueing with someone who refused to admit to the fallacies he commits.
@Darkhorse21x I know we do not own our property. The government has stripped us of those rights. Good to see you admit the tyranny of this government.
The government never stripped you of anything. The property right never really existed to begin with.
Well, many years ago some persons were granted "absolute title" to property but it is my understanding that this no longer exists due to death and sale etc.
We can only deal with what exists today and not what was.
We are heading down a road to tyranny but not at the hands of govt.
Then why the long diatribe about how you "never use govt roads to get to your property" if you already realized that the govt had ownership of everything?
All that matters now is who has "care and control" of a parcel as it is a foregone conclusion that the govt owns it all.
Tenant is Fee Simple.
Every one who owns a piece of property has this listed on their title documents but next to NONE of them ever took the time to look up what it really means.
@Darkhorse21x It is funny how you have no argument yet you keep going on thinking that talking in circles makes your case. You believe it is okay for good people who do not want to pay for the crimes of the state to be put in cages. That is just sad and very sick.
What you perceive as circular logic is in reality, a demonstration of your minds inability to let go of it's entrenched paradigm and make the leap into an existing truth. I am not telling you anything new here. I am just pointing out where you have been deceived your entire life.
If you are unable to grasp the concept, it is ultimately irrelevant to the truth of the concept but rather; indicative of the indoctrination that you suffer under.
I merely respond in kind. If you play nice I play nice. If you start BS, I finish U.
I have deg in Civ Eng and am working on 2nd in Urban Planning so no need 2 B concerned with my intellect.
I am confident and my logic is irrefutable. If that irritates others, I do not care as their irritation is irrelevant to my position. I do use tools (bait) to determine their level of maturity. If they are not ready to accept their duty, then they are not yet adults, imho.
Being impressed is an arbitrary opinion that you must assign which makes it irrelevant to me.
I am merely pointing out a fact.
Accomplishments such as these, adjudicated by university professors and other professionals who have granted me honors on my work, should establish my relative level of intelligence.
If you are unable to accept this as evidence that you are dealing with someone who is well educated, then I can not be of service to you.
@Darkhorse21x Your degrees mean nothing to me. The only way to prove any kind of intelligence is by being competent in something useful. Civil engineers and urban planners today are just parasitic parts of the state - nothing to brag about.
@Darkhorse21x LOL! Your "logic" is awful and has been refuted countless times by multiple users. You've finished nobody. Not even close. I'm actually wondering if you're simply trolling for shits and giggles. There's no way you can be this dim. But please, continue... it's actually mildly amusing and you're doing a great job as a practice dummy. Gives true logicians and critical thinkers a chance to scrimmage a bit. You're just a punching bag-- but I guess you've been groomed well by the state.
@Darkhorse21x HUH?? Since the definition of profit and what it is has nothing to do with "adding value", there is no sense in even entertaining your bizarre question.
This is why your arguments suck-- they're built on false assumptions and then you begin to run around in a circle of delusion.
i.e. you assume taxation is a choice, so every argument you make is built on that flawed assumption.
Look up "I'm Allowed to Rob You", by YT user LarkenRose-- and remove the wool from your eyes.
If you extract money from me and offer no value in return then you have committed theft.
If you have admitted that profit adds no value to a product yet feel entitled to extract further value from me because you want profit, then you are a thief.
The fact that some idiot is unaware that he is being robbed is irrelevant to you attempting to extract value for something that does not exist.
Profit is a concept.
"Buy my product, it will make you feel better about yourself", (The lie)
@Darkhorse21x "Buy my food, it will keep you alive. And it will also spare you the time from having to grow it yourself. And it will also give someone else a wage." (the truth)
Life is about exchanges-- monetary pricing systems allow us the ability to measure real demand. Without price, it becomes a clusterfuck. Are you familiar with New Harmony, Indiana? Nice little experiment in a moneyless society that ended violently.
@Darkhorse21x It measures the real demand of what people will pay.
If I have 100 pairs of pants to sell and I'd like to sell them at $50, but I only sell 10 pairs and 90 sit there on the shelf for 6 months, I'm going to see that there's not much demand at $50. So I lower my price to see where the real demand is. I bring them down to $40 and I end up selling the rest. The real demand is at $40.
If no one wants them even for free, then there is "no demand".
@Darkhorse21x Demand =/= merely wanting something. It means showing a preference for something by giving something up. You're not using "demand" the way economists use it. I'm sorry you cannot debunk 100's of years of ecoomic theory by changing the use of words like "demand". You have to use "demand" the way economists actually use them.
Demand is the desire to own anything, the ability to pay for it, and the willingness to pay for it.
@Darkhorse21x "You can lower price to INCLUDE more people."
By this logic, I should just give things away for free, so I could INCLUDE more people?
What about property? Should living on beachfront property just be everyone's right?
There is great demand to live in nice climates, and there is a price to pay to do so. Without price, you'd have a free for all, with mass people crowding certain geographical locations. It doesn't work.
Capitalists use collective action such as lobbyist groups, think tanks, astroturf, etc. Capitalists do work in the public sector through contract work. Capitalists donate more money to politicians than unions could hope to do (7 of the top 10 are corporate).
Also, what Stef says about education is a straight out lie. The US education is not worse than it was in the past. It's in fact improving.
@MarmaladeINFP Replace "Capitalists" with "Corporatists" and then educate yourself on the difference.
I agree we are improving in education-- the state is getting better and better at turning children into obedient sheep, with no critical thinking skills. Awesome. Watch out, China, here we come!
You might wanna check out "Dumbing Us Down" by John Taylor Gatto-- he was a public school teacher for 26 years. The book is a good nuanced exploration on the subject. Dig in a bit deeper, ok?
@OutofHandTV Yes, corporatists control almost all capitalism these days. The only 'capitalists' are small business owners, but they don't have much power. Anyway, corporatism is just a variety of capitalism, what capitalism becomes when not regulated & when unions are disempowered.
All you are offering me is rhetoric. I offered you data. The facts show schools are improving. I'm sorry that doesn't fit in with your ideology, but the facts are the facts. I have dug deeper. I'm familiar w/ Gatto.
@MarmaladeINFP You're wrong about Corporatism. It's actually highly REGULATED.
Regulation is "controlling human or societal behavior by rules OR restrictions." Government controls the RULES that corporations use to get their way.
Stats, by the way, are often misleading. Testing is not necessarily a good marker of the quality of "education" in a any meaningful way. If you've actually read Gatto, I can't believe you'd think we've gotten better.
@Ayble2Do Blah, blah, blah... I know the ideology. I watch Stef all the time. There is some truth to it, but it's a bit too ideological for my taste. Go to a country without a strong central govt & see how free people are, see how much power a transnational has when the govt is so small & weak that govt officials or local community leaders can easily be bought, threatened, or killed.
Gatto has some good insights... but I don't think he has everything figured out. A lack of stats is misleading.
@MarmaladeINFP Blah, blah, blah isn't really an argument.
If you want to see a small government, look at how much larger the middle class was in 1950's America when the government was 1/5th the size. We have a bigger divide than ever between rich and poor.
If you watch Stef all the time, I guess the message of a voluntary society just doesn't resonate with you. Oh well. =/
@Ayble2Do The "Blah, blah, blah" was my summarization of your argument.
As for small govt, I'd love to shrink the military-industrial complex back to the size it was in the 1950s. Most of the money we spend is on defense, on CIA (& various other alphabet soup agencies), on international aid (often spent on defense), the black budget, etc. Most liberals & progressives are against all of that wasteful & undemocratic spending.
I like the ideal of voluntary. I'm just skeptical of utopias.
@MarmaladeINFP I'd love to shrink military spending as well. But other programs have proven to be incredibly wasteful as well-- look up Peter Schiff's interview with Charles Blahous-- Blahous admits Social Security is basically a Ponzi scheme. SS has been an abysmal failure.
I hardly think having a voluntary society would be a utopia, by the way. It would just be preferable to what we have now.
We have much in common. I do not believe in an end as such but more in an "evolution". Time is on my side. Hopefully a higher consciousness will "evolve" in us all which will recognize the "inefficiency" of the old ways and the mold will be broken and we can begin a new journey knowing that this new mold will eventually be broken and repeated again for eternity.
Yes Public school teachers know how badly underfunded or poorly protected public school is.....why is that shocking? Maybe better support could change that. No, let's just voucher the shit out of it.
It's not hypocracy, it's dealing within the mess we've made.
Excellent video! Give the workers 3 days to return to work and FIRE all who refuse. After all, finding more people who CAN"T teach children to read should be very easy.
I'd be in favor of replacing all public schools with private schools. We desperately need a system where PAY is based on PERFORMANCE, not agreements made by union leaders and crooked politicians. That get's me to thinking, pay based on performance......that would be a great idea for our politicians as well!
Democracy will work better when we all participate in a more meaningful way. I believe that the time constraints imposed by having to work extra hours to balance the profit and interest added to the equation are at the heart of the matter. We have less TIME available to participate because we agree to work to "pay for profit and interest".
I used to sit in on contract negotiation between a huge developer and a construction company. The developer only dealt with ONE contractor, not unlike a union, as they preferred their level of service. They talked about the specifics of a job and what the costs would be. They worked collaboratively to achieve a result.
The right to peaceably assemble is a right so by association, collective bargaining is a right. To deny collective bargaining is to deny reality.
@davidlee1961 Because they're professional teachers who get paid to teach. In their defense, like doctors and all 'educated' peoples in our country, they've been deliberately dumbed down, too. Just is what it is. Perhaps they should say they're 'practicing educating' then the standard would be lowered as it is for doctors who are only paid if you're sick and who get paid to practice medicine.
lol...that's so ridiculous. Search 'George Carlin rights'. There is only force and persuasion in the world - rights are just something in your head that sounds nice. If you walk down a dark alley in Detroit at night, no one cares about your 'rights' now, do they?
@davidlee1961 "The poor cannot afford to send their children to private schools."
This statement demonstrates a lack of understanding of the cause and effect of public schooling on the market. The reason there are no low cost, private schools is that they can't compete with the public schools for low income people. They can't just build big schools with money paid voluntarily from poor people. Without the public school monopoly, entrepreneurs could open low cost schools for poor people.
I agree that the removal of collective bargaining rights is a fools errand and plays politically to the lowest common denominator.
The unions need to realize that the employers "needs" of a productive workforce are not being met. I've seen it up close. Workers drop to the level of the "slowest" worker when that worker is coddled. Remove the "slow" worker and the "good" worker will pick up their game lest becoming the next union removal.
If we'd stop letting the rich rob us of tax revenue with outsourcing jobs, Bush Tax Cuts, tax loop holes, offshore tax havens, etc., we wouldn't be in this mess! Hyperinflation happens because of weak political will to tax the rich enough to pay the nations bills. The solutions are not taking the money from the poor and middle class to fix the mess caused because you haven't been taxing the rich enough. You should significantly raise tax rates on the rich until the problem is under control!
The real solution is to stop making promises for pensions and then not properly funding them! If you negotiate to provide pensions to avoid raising wages, it doesn't add up that the public employees you promised them to is the problem! Sounds like fraud to me! Somebody ought to go to jail! Stopping collective bargaining has nothing to do with the solution! Americans should have decent wages. Unions do that. The solution is to stop lowering wages and outsourcing jobs and properly tax the rich!
@GuerrillaFighter12 An entity, the state of Wisconsin, is choosing not to negotiate. Simple as that. Will you force me to negotiate with you if I choose not to? Teachers can accept their jobs and pay offered or move on instead of raping taxpayers year after year with their monopoly on public school teaching. Why would taxpayers put up with this year after year?! They are bamboozled with "it's for the children".
Did you just say that Canada has a higher "per capita debt" than the US?! I was unaware of this, but not surprised, considering the pervasive socialist nature of our government.
Are collective bargaining rights not rights? The teachers have agreed to higher contributions and other monetary concessions, at this point isn't it just an oppressive state government trying to suppress the rights of workers?
This was a bad video with no point. You rambled at first about WI teachers and brought up anecdotal evidence for where teachers place their children...and where was the beef? Yes if we allow the rich more than their fair share of income it is unsustainable. What is happening in WI is about stealing collective bargaining rights or did you miss that too? Google Daily Kos Wisconsin Ohio public employees are not over paid. I am sure you will find article.
@MrSethAction Maybe for a philosopher you should make your ideas more coherent than what you did. Oh I get that life as we know it is not sustainable. Making poor arguments(WI protests) did not help prove your point. State workers have not been shown to earn too much. Siding with a cretin who wants to strip a group of a right pisses me off. How about the state do their job and properly negotiate withe the citizens interest. How many fallacies did you commit in this video?
Please PEACH my argument to Shawnt223, further down this page.
Even accepting the necessity of the state for the sake of the argument, I think it's safe to say that we are now at the "every man for himself!"-stage of this particular shipwreck. Perhaps you should spend less time grumbling about the people who had the foresight to bring their own lifeboats, and more time thinking about what to do when your ass hits sea level?
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youneekk 8 months ago
So lets follow the flow chart like in your video, but lets make it for Republicans:
Corporations----->Republicans-------> Bust up Unions-------> Make Democrats weaker----------> Elect majorities of Republicans ------------Take away workers rights -----------> Help Corporations ----------> Destroys America.
This is the fight that will determine where America will be. Will it stand for opportunity or will it deregulate itself to a third world country that no one wants to come to. Your call.
Mokaneia 1 year ago
All this posting about slavery. Like a spoiled child that doesn't want to clean their room. "I didn't sign a contract to be part of this family or household". "I don't have to do anything I don't want to". Pathetic. Grow up losers.
IronicKismet 1 year ago
@IronicKismet Tell that to black slaves in the 19th century South. They did not sign a contract agreeing to work on the plantations, even though they got free food and free housing.
needstoregister 1 year ago
@needstoregister Please tell me you are not comparing yourself to African slaves/
IronicKismet 11 months ago
@IronicKismet
"Pathetic. Grow up losers."
Is that what you say to children? That they are pathetic? Is that what your parents said to you?
We all have responsibilities, and we all, sometimes, have to do things we don't want to do, but there is no need to use force for people to learn that lesson, and you don't have the right to make anyone pay for or support something they think is morally abhorrent, whether it be war, torture or an abortion.
Is peace pathetic? Does "growing up" mean murder?
somecomputergeek 1 year ago
@somecomputergeek I am supposing you are not a child. I would expect a child to act like a child and an adult to act like an adult. An adult that acts like a spoiled child because they don't get their way is pathetic. If you don't like how your gov't represents you, you are free to vote otherwise. You are also free to convince others your ideas are better. Its called democracy. Maybe you are no good at convincing anyone that your ideas are valid?
IronicKismet 11 months ago
@IronicKismet
Because they don't "get their way"? By not getting their way, you mean being FORCED to do something? If that's the case, then everyone who complains about getting mugged is acting like a spoiled child.
stefbot has a great video called "the truth about voting". I suggest you watch it.
Getting somebody addicted to violence to put the gun down is a tough job, yes, but we're trying.
somecomputergeek 11 months ago
@somecomputergeek So being forced to clean your room is comparable to getting mugged? I'm still not convinced.
IronicKismet 11 months ago
@IronicKismet
I apologize for the confusion. Allow me to clear it up.
These three are all about force:
1) Being forced to clean your room.
2) Being forced to give a mugger your money.
3) Begin forced to give the government your money.
#1 is different, because parents don't threaten to shoot their son for not obeying.
#2 and #3, on the other hand, are directly comparable. YOU are the one who introduced #1, as if it was comparable to #3. I introduced #2 as an obviously more apt comparison.
somecomputergeek 11 months ago
@somecomputergeek So the gov't shoots you for not paying your taxes? There are many people in this country that haven't paid taxes in years and walk around free and even if you get caught you don't get shot. The govt 't didnt even shoot Al Capone. I don't ever remember comparing cleaning your room to a mugging. Are you sure you are responding to the right person? I thought I implying everyone is obligated to pay their fair share when you live amoung other humans and benefit from the association
IronicKismet 11 months ago
@IronicKismet
No, they don't shoot you. They just send a couple of guys with guns to your house to tie you up and throw you in a cage. They only shoot you if you defend yourself.
"Fair share", huh? Well, I'm going to be murdering 100 people in the next 5 days (just kidding, I'm not going to do that), and I need to raise some money to pay for bullets. Pay your fair share, or else bad things will happen to you.
Just to make it "democratic", I'll let you vote on what kind of gun I will use.
somecomputergeek 11 months ago
@somecomputergeek YOU are not the collective will of the people. YOU alone cannot decide for everyone. This seems obvious but I guess this concept is not very obvious to everyone. YOU cannot raise an army and go to war. YOU cannot force people to pay taxes. I guess its just the egocentric attitude of the anarchist that provides the impetus for this anlaogy. I...ME...I...ME....I...ME...just like a child trapped in an adult body. Grow up, get a job and pay your taxes.
IronicKismet 11 months ago
@IronicKismet
There is no such thing as "collective will". Some individuals SHARE desires and AGREE to work together, but there is no "collective will".
You, and people who share your desires IMPOSE your will onto others AGAINST THEIR WILL, and you call this "collective will"? And you call THEM a child if they speak up against your violence?
To me, violence and ignorance are childish, and trying to correct the errors of violent people is the only grown-up thing to do.
somecomputergeek 11 months ago
@somecomputergeek So I am a slave that imposes my will on my master? "Correct the errors of violent people". Like A Clockwork Orange? People working together, symbiotically, towards a common goal is a great force for good. I'm sure you will produce a 100 instances where the group has produce horrific atrocities but behind those 100 is a 1000000 instances producing positive results. If you're looking for perfection, you should look elsewhere besides the human race. An adult understands this.
IronicKismet 11 months ago
@IronicKismet
I'm not talking about people working together in groups to accomplish GOOD. I'm talking about people working together in groups to use VIOLENCE against PEACEFUL PEOPLE, and PRETENDING that it's good. There's a BIG difference.
You keep on using the words "adult" and "child" to reference people who ACCEPT or COMMIT violence (adult) and people who are SUBJECTED to violence against their will and don't like it (child).
I'm sorry that you had that kind of childhood.
somecomputergeek 11 months ago
@IronicKismet
You didn't compare cleaning a room to a mugging, as I already explained.
You compared obedience to parents with obedience to a state. I pointed out that parents don't shoot their children for disobedience (usually), and said a more apt analogy is a mugger, for reasons obvious to some, but apparently not obvious to others.
Also, there are many people in this country that do drugs and the government hasn't gotten to them because they don't have the resources. Taxation is similar.
somecomputergeek 11 months ago
@somecomputergeek No, you were making my point for me rather than allowing me to make my own point. Maybe I am just the strawman you are using to justify your point of view to yourself? Anyway, at the core of the arguement you are always free to convince others your view is valid or you can leave the safety of the group and find another group. However, you just want the entire group to think and believe yours is the only moral viewpoint. Seems pretty draconian for one you values freedom so much
IronicKismet 11 months ago
This is nonsense. Fails to account for most factors in the equation.
konchog3 1 year ago
@konchog3
Such as...
someidiotchild 1 year ago
the cancer is both unions and corporations - either way we are screwed
Judy101101 1 year ago
The unions pay isn't even up to the cost of living they should get 10 bucks more an hour and people who work in a box store can't even afford a car payment.
Look too Wall ST - they stole all the money... Real simple.. and continue to do so
lushfauna 1 year ago
No we don't have a higher per capita debt in Canada.
nottingham2222 1 year ago
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1293drive 1 year ago
THERE IS NO “FAIR” WAGE FOR TEACHERS. The closest we can come is that wage structure produced from negotiations between a strong teachers union and a powerful government body. Pitting a SINGLE employee against a powerful state government or a multi-national corporation is laughingly unfair. Only through COLLECTIVE bargaining between these entities can something approaching a “fair” wage be reached. While this might be somewhat “fair,” the best teachers can still go to other states that pay more.
1293drive 1 year ago
Darkhorse21x has some vested interest in the current system, that is why he can't consider anything else.
Stinkemon 1 year ago
"The party's over". That's the understatement of the decade, however, politicians don't seem to agree.
cooperbry 1 year ago
@cooperbry
It is the debt servicing costs (compound interest) which has stolen value from the people.
Eliminate the theft of your taxes by the bank taken in the form of Interest and Profit and you will have enough value in the existing system to "pave the streets with gold", so to speak.
Focus on the true enemy, the money changers. The Government is us, the bank is them.
If banks only had service charges for service rendered, then this would be equitable.
Interest provides NO VALUE.
Darkhorse21x 1 year ago
@Darkhorse21x To follow your argument, if the money is not backed by debt, then there is no issue. Interest is legitimate if money is lent. If I lend my brother money and charge him interest, what's wrong with that? Nothing. When the money itself is debt, that's the problem and I think that's where your argument should focus.
cooperbry 1 year ago
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@cooperbry
money is backed by a security instrument (bond) and YOU (your persona) are the security.
Look at the name on your Birth Certificate.
Mix of Caps and lower case letters.
Look at your Birth Registration.
ALL CAPS means a CORPORATION made in your name.
This is used as collateral for the debt instrument.
No gold standard anymore as gold is rare and cumbersome.
People are a never ending resource and s such perfect for monetizing.
There is a "Bond Number, CUSIP,on the back of your BCert.
Darkhorse21x 1 year ago
@Darkhorse21x Interest is payment for the risk the lender takes... Money today is always more valuable then the same amount of money 1 year from now... Even under a system without inflation this is true. If a person came to you and said you can have 100 $ today, or 100 $ a year from now. You will of-course prefer 100 today... But if he says "If I can pay you 1 year from now, I can give you 150$"
The problem is that interest rates is controlled by the central banks,, I call it Economic communism
bjarnet3 1 year ago
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@bjarnet3
Collateral is the consideration for the risk the lender takes.If the lender takes less security than the loan is worth then he is a fool.
Suppose you get a loan and don't make ANY payments?
How much interest did the banker earn?
Interest is theft of value.
If you buy a house for $250,000 and you pay that + another $250,000 in interest, what value is attributable to your home because of the interest you paid?
NONE.
It would be reasonable to charge a service fee and let banks compete.
Darkhorse21x 1 year ago
@Darkhorse21x
"The Government is us, the bank is them."
Those Federal Reserve Notes are backed by government violence. The only way people can have that much power is by using brute force, or tricking others into using brute force, or at least paying for it, by force if necessary.
You're right in the sense that the banksters are one of "them", but the government isn't "us", it's "their" armed thug. Giving him a bigger gun won't help "us".
somecomputergeek 1 year ago
@somecomputergeek
The "Government" is the management, administration and production departments for THE COMPANY known as; CANADA, UNITED STATES, ONTARIO, TEXAS, JAPAN GERMANY ETC.ETC.......
You are a shareholder in a company (aka COUNTRY) which is under threat of hostile takeover by banking cartels.
It's not personal, it's just business. Federal Reserve notes are backed by a pledge made by the company that they an pay back the loan. U R the collateral. Its not complicated.
Darkhorse21x 11 months ago
@Darkhorse21x
How many shares do I hold? Where is this share? Can I sell it? How much is it worth?
I'm about as much of a "shareholder" in the United States as a slave is in the plantation. First, you say I'm a shareholder, which is ridiculous, and then you say I am collateral, which is much more accurate. However, if I'm "collateral", that means that I am owned by somebody, and that somebody is the state, and the state is controlled by the banks, and your solution is to...what?
somecomputergeek 11 months ago
@somecomputergeek
You gotta think outside the box man.The ROI is the relative increase in benefits available to you. It is not exactly like the typical "share offering" but not entirely unlike it either. Your "labor"is what is held as collateral and not you specifically. Willing has nothing to do with it. It is about honoring a contract or acting in dishonor. It is not slavery. No coercion is involved when Mother signs 4 U. Deal with reality.
Darkhorse21x 11 months ago
Steph, you pick on teachers very often. Leave then alone. Many do want change and care for children and literacy. Teacher’s voices are silenced and given directives by those who want education to fail – your average politicians and policy maker. I would like to see you in a real classroom dealing with the myriad problems kids bring. You may not live in an ivory tower but you certainly still have posters of them on your walls. We know whom the corrupt source is, so stick to them.
SuperXwriter 1 year ago
Darkhorse21x 1 year ago
@Darkhorse21x Have you seen Stef's video "Kill Bill-- The Bailout" ? You might want to give it a look.
OutofHandTV 1 year ago
YouTube allows an upload to be used as a video comment on just a SINGLE posting. So please search YouTube for “Introduction to Teaching 101.mpeg”. Don’t know how much of my taxes are going to study public education, but Washington could save a LOT on consultant fees by just reading the responses to my above upload from hard pressed teachers from around the country. Teachers KNOW what is wrong with American education – career and politically motivated administrators do not.
1293drive 1 year ago
Darkhorse responded to one of my comments once... It was my choice not to respond, the judgement was made because his reply was a judgement of me without any information about me... Just saying, looks like I profited.
IcarusMoonsight 1 year ago
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@IcarusMoonsight
Your profit is emotional and not monetary. Please do not confuse the 2.
"As you know sometimes words have two meanings"
Stairway to Heaven
Robert Plant
Led Zeppelin
Darkhorse21x 1 year ago
Thanks for putting this together!
pantadon 1 year ago
Just adding a comment to help this vid move up the ratings...on page 1 of 'most discussed'...sounds like Stef is beating the mainstream coverage with his rationality.
MoneyIsSilver 1 year ago
You don't even know the basics of free market, how you ever managed to get a following leaves me in a deep state of shock.
DonVoghano 1 year ago
@DonVoghano lol, the world is chock full of 20 something know it alls.
pretorious700 1 year ago
@pretorious700 And the world is full of people who talk about markets without understanding shit about them. In a free market freedom of movement of CAPITAL must be accompanied by freedom of movement of LABOR. That's not a 20something knowing it all, it's ADAM SMITH in Wealth of Nations.
In Wisconsin capitalists are free to move their business to Mexico, now tell me, how free are Mexicans to move their labor to Wisconsin?
DonVoghano 1 year ago
@DonVoghano Are you aware that Stef actually supports Mexicans moving their labor to Wisconsin or wherever else they want to go? Do you even know his take on the immigrant issue? Look up "Why Libertarianism Fails Part 3" on his channel.
OutofHandTV 1 year ago
@OutofHandTV I'm aware of the fact that his bargaining diagrams on this video are ridiculous. He actually presents the situation of private workers vs capitalist boss as "balanced," while making an even more laughable case showing how "imbalanced" in favor of workers (!!!!) the public sector is. Now to understand that basic imbalance of our pseudo-liberal economy and still misrepresent the facts like he has in this video is either schizophrenia or malevolence.
DonVoghano 1 year ago
@DonVoghano His diagram of the private workers vs. capitalist workers is representative of true free market business practice, NOT the pseudo "free market" Corporate structure. Workers against boss. Simple.
And his public sector diagram is actually a very simple illustration of how the union workers are being paid from the wages of the rest of the citizens. There is no "capitalist boss", because the state is not a company for profit. Can you clarify how he's misrepresenting "facts"?
OutofHandTV 1 year ago
@OutofHandTV He's not talking ideals here, he's making a point about a current issue, namely Wisconsin. Now he's stating that Wisconsin public workers have undue bargaining power because somehow the unions control the democratic party.
However in today's reality private sector workers have lost ALL their bargaining power to delocalization, and the democratic party is controlled mainly by Wall St. money, seriously affecting the bargaining power of unions even in the public sector.
DonVoghano 1 year ago
@OutofHandTV The main difference is that whilst private sector bosses can just threaten to delocalize plants, the state cannot do the same. In order to break the unions' backs therefore the only alternative option is to directly legislate against them, as they are trying to do. There is no balance here, there is only an elite abusing its position to crush the middle and working class. His diagram MAY work under IDEAL condition, but is completely worthless applied to the reality we face.
DonVoghano 1 year ago
@DonVoghano
He is preaching to the choir. This is a well disguised marketing ploy. Build up a critical mass of sheep on the internet, get the attention of Oprah etc and start selling the pre-written books just waiting for a gullible market.
Nothing new here.
Darkhorse21x 1 year ago
corporate tax evasion?!!!!
Hoxification 1 year ago
Excellent presentation.
Shameonfed 1 year ago
I tire of your buffoonish antics and I must go now.
AAAHHHLLLLBEEEEBAAAAAHHHHHK L8R
Darkhorse21x 1 year ago
Wrong! The politicians are still representatives of the corporation (the State) and the Koch bros. certainly prove their is still downward pressure on wages. Also, once the money is earned by the worker it's quite elitist to say that the money came from the tax payers. No, the money comes from the workers who earned it.
The schools get poor results due to Liberals and the National Dep't. of Education focusing more on political indoctrination than education. Schools were better before Carter. FU
eiwaz 1 year ago
Long live the IWW!
bjarczyk 1 year ago
Low scores are due to God-less western peer society. The smart are culled out as not to speak out about the God-less western peer society. The states and people constantly needing more money is the result of the fiat money value constantly being skimmed through borrowning and devaluing.
sunRsaturn 1 year ago
Off to go swim some lengths.
Don't sprain your arms patting yourselves on the back.
Darkhorse21x 1 year ago
Furthermore, to exclude the biggest drain on tax payer funds, the military industrial complex, from this conversation voids his whole point.Stefan has also avoided talking about the executive class of government, he is only looking at the unionized part of the government.
PortlandsTransport 1 year ago
To assume that all government workers are "takers" from society and not "givers', is a very flawed assumption.
PortlandsTransport 1 year ago
Darkhorse21x, So I guess if 57 men come together and claim the right to take anyone's money who lives within the boundaries they identify have the moral right to take half of anyone's labor who have CHOSEN to be born there? And anyone ignorant enough to be born there has contracted with those men giving them consent to use violence against them if they do not pony up their hard earned cash? You sir/ma'am, are very sad and extremely confused.
AndyWright68 1 year ago
@AndyWright68
The claim of the 57 men depend upon it's validity.
Have you benefited form a product which the 57 men provided on your behalf?
If they have not, then their claim is not valid.
Adults pay taxes not infants so you do not pay taxes for 18 years yet you do receive benefits therefore by 18 you may be indebted to the 57 men who come together (your words not mine).
Now after receiving benefits for 18 years you say, sorry I don't want to pay?
Its about receiving benefits, get it yet?
Darkhorse21x 1 year ago
@Darkhorse21x No I have not. Their regulations, restrictions, licensing, fees and taxes have damaged the wealth I could have created had it not been for their interference.
And to suggest that you are not only born into debt but accrue debt for being indoctrinated into these brain destroying government institutions of propaganda (public school) or any of the other service you have no choice but to use is utterly insane.
AndyWright68 1 year ago
@Darkhorse21x That would be like saying to your child who just turned 18 that he owes you every penny you spent on him and compensation for all the time it took to raise them. Are you really that sick or just delusional. How much do you make off the government anyway? You are either a government employee or PROFIT in some way from government theft to defend such tyranny.
AndyWright68 1 year ago
@AndyWright68
Not even close. I provide for my children as a gift from me to them. It is my duty to care for my children.
I "pay it forward" in hopes that my children will do the same for theirs etc.
There is no guarantee that they will but I do not shirk my duties.
I go between PS and PvS as it suits me. See my previous posts about what I do for a living.
You have drunk the Stefbot kool-aid and are the one who is delusional.
You accept the benefit, U pay in taxes or time, U decide.
Darkhorse21x 1 year ago
@Darkhorse21x You are not understanding the analogy. No one has accepted anything. taxes are collect by threat of violence against you. If you cannot understand that or accept reality then you clearly have problems.
I don't care what Stefan says or does. I have come to my own conclusions with all the information I have researched myself. I do not believe anything anyone says unless I can verify it as being true.
AndyWright68 1 year ago 2
@AndyWright68
You receive benefits and are taxed on them AFTER you receive them.
Think of it like when you and wifey plod down to Wal-Mart for your weekly dose of self loathing medication (shopping).
You pass through the exit doors and the RFID chips tally all the spandex pants and pop tarts and off you go free as a lark.
Next week, same thing and again for entire year.
At the end of the year, Wal-Mart sends you the bill (Taxes)
Now you cry they put a gun to your head?
Give me a break.
Darkhorse21x 1 year ago
@Darkhorse21x XD! You really need to straighten out your meds or you are so insane that meds do not benefit you. Your posts are hysterical though. Thanks for the laugh. LOL!
AndyWright68 1 year ago
@AndyWright68
is Your confusion based upon the false premise that you pay tax forward. You must believe that you pay for services not yet rendered?
Now I can better serve you.
If you have a home (assumption mine), look at your property tax notice. It is for the previous year not the future year.
Look at your income tax return. Same thing. You pay incrementally through the year off pay stubs (If employed) for preexisting benefits.
End of year, tally up. Over = Return, Under = Pay up sukah.
Darkhorse21x 1 year ago
@Darkhorse21x You are so sad. i do not pay taxes, they are stolen from me by threat of violence. Just like the Mafia, if you do not pay their tax they will hurt you.
AndyWright68 1 year ago
@AndyWright68
Your Mother signed U up.
If you do not pay taxes, you have dishonored your agreement.
Did you de-register yourself?
No?
Quit crying about having to honor your commitments.
Darkhorse21x 1 year ago
@Darkhorse21x Where is her signature then? You keep avoiding this question. Where are the signed agreements that we agree to violent force being used against us is we do not labor for the benefit of our masters/government? Where is this voluntary agreement? Where is MY commitment? Show to be. Oh. You can't? It's a myth you say? How interesting.
AndyWright68 1 year ago 16
@AndyWright68
Avoiding the Q?
Submit an application for an official copy to the state you were born in with the required fee and they will send you a stamped official copy. They keep the original in a vault.
The registration makes you property of the state for your life. They have the first in line claim on you.
The rest of the laws/statutes are all there for your review. The use of force is ONLY used after due process has been exhausted with the exclusion of any jeopardy of safety to you.
Darkhorse21x 1 year ago
@Darkhorse21x That is not an agreement. Maybe in your mind. i have never signed any agreement without my attorney first reviewing it and my parents did not sign any agreement either. Show me the fine print that says I agree to have force used against me if I do not hand over my hard earned money.
And I am not going to keep searching to carry on 3 different conversations with you on the same subject.
AndyWright68 1 year ago
@AndyWright68
Force is only used after you have had due process exhausted. You always get to appear in court to plead your case. unfortunately, by showing up you have admitted guilt.
Ironically, U R a government employee as well, Your SS or SIN # is an employee #. You have a retirement plan and benefits and taxes (deductions) are taken to pay for the benefits provided. Don't cry to me, you consented when you SUBMITTED an APPLICATION for a SS or SIN #.
It's like an employment service of sorts.
Darkhorse21x 1 year ago
@AndyWright68
Your Father was not required to sign but his name may be indicated on the document unless it is listed as "unknown". ALL that is required is your Mothers signature.
Your Mother is the VESSEL.
You are the CARGO.
You were BIRTHED (BERTHED).
Down a CANAL.
Upon receipt of the cargo from the vessel, the receiving country (corporation) registers the cargo and gains title there to. After paying DUTY the cargo is released with "care and control" to the handler (parents).
Darkhorse21x 1 year ago
@Darkhorse21x btw you seen pretty happy about the government owning you and your property. So how does it feel to be a willing slave?
AndyWright68 1 year ago
@AndyWright68
It's more like indentured servitude really as I have the capacity to find employment with another country (corporation) and then subcontract out my services to another or multiple employers.
CANADA is a great corporation to work for compared to others like PORTUGAL, IRELAND, GREECE, or SPAIN.
J.D. Rockefeller.: "Own nothing, control everything".
Being sovereign is hard work.
Maintaining the integrity of your borders.
Maintaining a currency value.
Feed the poor.
Fund a military.
Darkhorse21x 1 year ago
@AndyWright68
Your Mothers signature is on your Registration of Live Birth. Your Mothers signature is witnessed by the signature of a nurse who can attest to her free will. So to sum up, your Mother submitted (bent to the will of another) an application (begged) a registration (request to be granted rights and privileges) on YOUR BEHALF.
CONTRACT is OFFER, ACCEPTANCE and CONSIDERATION (means something of value, i.e. THE BENEFITS)
Did your Mother stipulate an end date?
No?
It is still in effect
Darkhorse21x 11 months ago
@Darkhorse21x You should seek help. No one in my family ever agreed to have threats and/or force used against them to steal their hard earned money. Aggressive violence and coercion is wrong. Try to justify it all you want. You are just feeding your delusion that we are all willing slaves because our mother signed a piece of paper when we were born. How demented is that> And even if mothers did sign an agreement to enslave and sell off their children it would be evil and unenforceable.
AndyWright68 11 months ago
@AndyWright68
So misguided. You are not a slave. You are receiving benefits at the request of your Mother. Your Mother did not negotiate an end date for the contract so it continues into perpetuity. The fact that you are now pissing your pants over the revelation of the contracts existence is irrelevant.
Offer, Acceptance and Consideration are all that are required for contract.
Offer = Benefits from the state
Acceptance = Your Mothers witnessed signature
Consideration = The Benefits
Darkhorse21x 11 months ago
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LawrenceAugust 11 months ago
@Darkhorse21x And you are just plain ignorant. No one signed any contract. No mother committed their children to state enslavement. These are figments of your delusional mind. No one agreed to be forced to us government services and then be billed for them. We are all under threat of violence if we do not give over half our hard earned money. That is theft. It is aggression against peaceful people. It is wrong at the least and evil at best. Break your mental chains and see the truth!
AndyWright68 11 months ago
@AndyWright68
The Mothers signature binds the child as a citizen. It does not bind the child 2 tax, just provides some benefits.
The SIN application binds you to tax in CANADA and U cannot prove otherwise as it is a FACT. VOLUNTARY RELATIONSHIP.
The Registration of your interest in a Tenancy in Fee Simple Binds you to pay property tax and U cannot prove otherwise as it is a FACT. VOLUNTARY RELATIONSHIP.
Ask Stef why he CHOSE CANADA over IRELAND if he H8's socialism so much.
Answer fool!
Darkhorse21x 11 months ago
@Darkhorse21x
Is that you Jared Loughner? They let you use a computer while you're locked up, or have you escaped?
jjrglobal 11 months ago
@AndyWright68 Threat of violence??
outrageousgriot 1 year ago
@outrageousgriot Yes. Don't pay these crooks and see how long you last.
AndyWright68 1 year ago
@AndyWright68 In that case, do you commend anyone who does get away with tax evasion?
outrageousgriot 1 year ago
@outrageousgriot They take a huge risk and I would not recommend it. Just as I would not advise a shopkeeper to refuse to pay the mafia. I pay our mafia government because I fear losing all that I have worked for. For now they only get half and I would rather have half then nothing and be locked in a cage with violent criminals.
AndyWright68 1 year ago
@outrageousgriot
Darkhorse21x 1 year ago
@Darkhorse21x I have land that has no roads going to it and uses no government services. I have not even taken the private roads to see it in 5 years. Yet I am forced to pay taxes on this property. Taxes that are used for schools I do not use etc. So there goes your whole you-accepted-their-services-by-using-them-so-therefore-you-are-bound-by-an-invisible-contract BS!
AndyWright68 1 year ago
@AndyWright68
Look at your land title document. You are listed as TENANT IN FEE SIMPLE. Your property is registered with the state. You have what is known as care and control but the state NEVER relinquished ownership.
Private ownership is a myth. Try making a mess on your private property and see what happens. The state comes in and cleans it up after due process and then puts the bill on your tax assessment.
The truth has been staring U in the face all along.
U just don't get it is all.
Darkhorse21x 1 year ago
@Darkhorse21x Well duh if the government has centralized control over everything then obiously you cannot have true property rights.
More question begging. Every single post you made here is question beggging. I'm only going to say it a couple more times. There's no point in argueing with someone who refused to admit to the fallacies he commits.
DaveDoggOwns 1 year ago
@Darkhorse21x I know we do not own our property. The government has stripped us of those rights. Good to see you admit the tyranny of this government.
AndyWright68 1 year ago
@AndyWright68
The government never stripped you of anything. The property right never really existed to begin with.
Well, many years ago some persons were granted "absolute title" to property but it is my understanding that this no longer exists due to death and sale etc.
We can only deal with what exists today and not what was.
We are heading down a road to tyranny but not at the hands of govt.
Govt has been usurped by the banks.
Debt financing cripples govt.
We did this to ourselves
Darkhorse21x 1 year ago
@AndyWright68
Then why the long diatribe about how you "never use govt roads to get to your property" if you already realized that the govt had ownership of everything?
All that matters now is who has "care and control" of a parcel as it is a foregone conclusion that the govt owns it all.
Tenant is Fee Simple.
Every one who owns a piece of property has this listed on their title documents but next to NONE of them ever took the time to look up what it really means.
Sure like cryin bout taxes tho
Darkhorse21x 1 year ago
@Darkhorse21x It is funny how you have no argument yet you keep going on thinking that talking in circles makes your case. You believe it is okay for good people who do not want to pay for the crimes of the state to be put in cages. That is just sad and very sick.
AndyWright68 1 year ago 2
@AndyWright68
What you perceive as circular logic is in reality, a demonstration of your minds inability to let go of it's entrenched paradigm and make the leap into an existing truth. I am not telling you anything new here. I am just pointing out where you have been deceived your entire life.
If you are unable to grasp the concept, it is ultimately irrelevant to the truth of the concept but rather; indicative of the indoctrination that you suffer under.
Good luck with that.
Darkhorse21x 1 year ago
@Darkhorse21x You seem like you're just trying to irritate people...either that, or you're impossibly stupid.
MoneyIsSilver 1 year ago
@MoneyIsSilver
I merely respond in kind. If you play nice I play nice. If you start BS, I finish U.
I have deg in Civ Eng and am working on 2nd in Urban Planning so no need 2 B concerned with my intellect.
I am confident and my logic is irrefutable. If that irritates others, I do not care as their irritation is irrelevant to my position. I do use tools (bait) to determine their level of maturity. If they are not ready to accept their duty, then they are not yet adults, imho.
Darkhorse21x 1 year ago
@Darkhorse21x civil engineering?? urban planning? Honestly, that doesn't really impress me.
MoneyIsSilver 1 year ago
@MoneyIsSilver
Being impressed is an arbitrary opinion that you must assign which makes it irrelevant to me.
I am merely pointing out a fact.
Accomplishments such as these, adjudicated by university professors and other professionals who have granted me honors on my work, should establish my relative level of intelligence.
If you are unable to accept this as evidence that you are dealing with someone who is well educated, then I can not be of service to you.
Darkhorse21x 1 year ago
@Darkhorse21x Your degrees mean nothing to me. The only way to prove any kind of intelligence is by being competent in something useful. Civil engineers and urban planners today are just parasitic parts of the state - nothing to brag about.
MoneyIsSilver 1 year ago
@Darkhorse21x LOL! Your "logic" is awful and has been refuted countless times by multiple users. You've finished nobody. Not even close. I'm actually wondering if you're simply trolling for shits and giggles. There's no way you can be this dim. But please, continue... it's actually mildly amusing and you're doing a great job as a practice dummy. Gives true logicians and critical thinkers a chance to scrimmage a bit. You're just a punching bag-- but I guess you've been groomed well by the state.
OutofHandTV 1 year ago
@OutofHandTV I agree. I enjoyed sharpening my axe. Thank Darkhorse21x!
AndyWright68 1 year ago
@AndyWright68
Use your delusions
Darkhorse21x 1 year ago
@OutofHandTV
One simple question for you.
Can you describe how profit adds value to a product?
Feel free to use all the logic and reason that you are able to muster.
Patiently waiting for your insight.
The Darkhorse.
Darkhorse21x 1 year ago
@Darkhorse21x HUH?? Since the definition of profit and what it is has nothing to do with "adding value", there is no sense in even entertaining your bizarre question.
This is why your arguments suck-- they're built on false assumptions and then you begin to run around in a circle of delusion.
i.e. you assume taxation is a choice, so every argument you make is built on that flawed assumption.
Look up "I'm Allowed to Rob You", by YT user LarkenRose-- and remove the wool from your eyes.
OutofHandTV 1 year ago
@OutofHandTV
If you extract money from me and offer no value in return then you have committed theft.
If you have admitted that profit adds no value to a product yet feel entitled to extract further value from me because you want profit, then you are a thief.
The fact that some idiot is unaware that he is being robbed is irrelevant to you attempting to extract value for something that does not exist.
Profit is a concept.
"Buy my product, it will make you feel better about yourself", (The lie)
Darkhorse21x 1 year ago
@Darkhorse21x "Buy my food, it will keep you alive. And it will also spare you the time from having to grow it yourself. And it will also give someone else a wage." (the truth)
Life is about exchanges-- monetary pricing systems allow us the ability to measure real demand. Without price, it becomes a clusterfuck. Are you familiar with New Harmony, Indiana? Nice little experiment in a moneyless society that ended violently.
OutofHandTV 1 year ago
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@OutofHandTV
I am not against paying you to grow my food and paying you for your input costs.
I am aware that any profit you add to your product is theft from me.
I must decide on what level of theft I can live with.
If theft is to large then I have a choice.
Grow my own or.
Purchase from some other producer who will not steal as much from me.
You must decide at what level of thievery you can live with to keep me as a customer.
Darkhorse21x 1 year ago
@OutofHandTV
Pricing does NOT allow you to measure real demand.
It excludes those who have a need (demand) for products that are priced beyond their means.
You may like shopping at Wal-mart to get your cotton trousers because it fits your budget.
I chose to shop at the GAP because I do not want to be subjected to the rif-raf that frequent Wal-Mart.
Pricing creates exclusivity in a demographic market.
It does NOT measure demand specifically.
You can lower price to INCLUDE more people.
Darkhorse21x 1 year ago
@Darkhorse21x It measures the real demand of what people will pay.
If I have 100 pairs of pants to sell and I'd like to sell them at $50, but I only sell 10 pairs and 90 sit there on the shelf for 6 months, I'm going to see that there's not much demand at $50. So I lower my price to see where the real demand is. I bring them down to $40 and I end up selling the rest. The real demand is at $40.
If no one wants them even for free, then there is "no demand".
OutofHandTV 1 year ago
@Darkhorse21x Demand =/= merely wanting something. It means showing a preference for something by giving something up. You're not using "demand" the way economists use it. I'm sorry you cannot debunk 100's of years of ecoomic theory by changing the use of words like "demand". You have to use "demand" the way economists actually use them.
Demand is the desire to own anything, the ability to pay for it, and the willingness to pay for it.
DaveDoggOwns 1 year ago
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OutofHandTV 1 year ago
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@Darkhorse21x "You can lower price to INCLUDE more people."
By this logic, I should just give things away for free, so I could INCLUDE more people?
What about property? Should living on beachfront property just be everyone's right?
There is great demand to live in nice climates, and there is a price to pay to do so. Without price, you'd have a free for all, with mass people crowding certain geographical locations. It doesn't work.
OutofHandTV 1 year ago
Monacle, lol
HeyItzMeDawg 1 year ago
Capitalists use collective action such as lobbyist groups, think tanks, astroturf, etc. Capitalists do work in the public sector through contract work. Capitalists donate more money to politicians than unions could hope to do (7 of the top 10 are corporate).
Also, what Stef says about education is a straight out lie. The US education is not worse than it was in the past. It's in fact improving.
benjamindavidsteele.wordpress. com/2011/02/15/us-education-myth-vs-reality-new-data/
MarmaladeINFP 1 year ago
@MarmaladeINFP Replace "Capitalists" with "Corporatists" and then educate yourself on the difference.
I agree we are improving in education-- the state is getting better and better at turning children into obedient sheep, with no critical thinking skills. Awesome. Watch out, China, here we come!
You might wanna check out "Dumbing Us Down" by John Taylor Gatto-- he was a public school teacher for 26 years. The book is a good nuanced exploration on the subject. Dig in a bit deeper, ok?
OutofHandTV 1 year ago
@OutofHandTV ...Replace "Capitalists" with "Corporatists" and then educate yourself on the difference.
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Well said.
hob976 1 year ago
@OutofHandTV Yes, corporatists control almost all capitalism these days. The only 'capitalists' are small business owners, but they don't have much power. Anyway, corporatism is just a variety of capitalism, what capitalism becomes when not regulated & when unions are disempowered.
All you are offering me is rhetoric. I offered you data. The facts show schools are improving. I'm sorry that doesn't fit in with your ideology, but the facts are the facts. I have dug deeper. I'm familiar w/ Gatto.
MarmaladeINFP 1 year ago
@MarmaladeINFP You're wrong about Corporatism. It's actually highly REGULATED.
Regulation is "controlling human or societal behavior by rules OR restrictions." Government controls the RULES that corporations use to get their way.
Stats, by the way, are often misleading. Testing is not necessarily a good marker of the quality of "education" in a any meaningful way. If you've actually read Gatto, I can't believe you'd think we've gotten better.
Public schools are terrifying. Sorry.
Ayble2Do 1 year ago
@Ayble2Do Blah, blah, blah... I know the ideology. I watch Stef all the time. There is some truth to it, but it's a bit too ideological for my taste. Go to a country without a strong central govt & see how free people are, see how much power a transnational has when the govt is so small & weak that govt officials or local community leaders can easily be bought, threatened, or killed.
Gatto has some good insights... but I don't think he has everything figured out. A lack of stats is misleading.
MarmaladeINFP 1 year ago
@MarmaladeINFP Blah, blah, blah isn't really an argument.
If you want to see a small government, look at how much larger the middle class was in 1950's America when the government was 1/5th the size. We have a bigger divide than ever between rich and poor.
If you watch Stef all the time, I guess the message of a voluntary society just doesn't resonate with you. Oh well. =/
Ayble2Do 1 year ago
@Ayble2Do The "Blah, blah, blah" was my summarization of your argument.
As for small govt, I'd love to shrink the military-industrial complex back to the size it was in the 1950s. Most of the money we spend is on defense, on CIA (& various other alphabet soup agencies), on international aid (often spent on defense), the black budget, etc. Most liberals & progressives are against all of that wasteful & undemocratic spending.
I like the ideal of voluntary. I'm just skeptical of utopias.
MarmaladeINFP 1 year ago
@MarmaladeINFP I'd love to shrink military spending as well. But other programs have proven to be incredibly wasteful as well-- look up Peter Schiff's interview with Charles Blahous-- Blahous admits Social Security is basically a Ponzi scheme. SS has been an abysmal failure.
I hardly think having a voluntary society would be a utopia, by the way. It would just be preferable to what we have now.
Thanks for your reply!
Ayble2Do 1 year ago
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Thanks Stefan for doing this research. I added this video to my favorites.
DanMorin007 1 year ago
@GuerrillaFighter12
We have much in common. I do not believe in an end as such but more in an "evolution". Time is on my side. Hopefully a higher consciousness will "evolve" in us all which will recognize the "inefficiency" of the old ways and the mold will be broken and we can begin a new journey knowing that this new mold will eventually be broken and repeated again for eternity.
Wi is "lost" but it can also be reclaimed.
Keep the faith.
Help those who cannot help themselves
Darkhorse21x 1 year ago
Yes Public school teachers know how badly underfunded or poorly protected public school is.....why is that shocking? Maybe better support could change that. No, let's just voucher the shit out of it.
It's not hypocracy, it's dealing within the mess we've made.
TheLittlewing22 1 year ago
Excellent video! Give the workers 3 days to return to work and FIRE all who refuse. After all, finding more people who CAN"T teach children to read should be very easy.
I'd be in favor of replacing all public schools with private schools. We desperately need a system where PAY is based on PERFORMANCE, not agreements made by union leaders and crooked politicians. That get's me to thinking, pay based on performance......that would be a great idea for our politicians as well!
SCLARK2112 1 year ago
@Emil246
Democracy will work better when we all participate in a more meaningful way. I believe that the time constraints imposed by having to work extra hours to balance the profit and interest added to the equation are at the heart of the matter. We have less TIME available to participate because we agree to work to "pay for profit and interest".
It is a merry-go-round we need to step off of.
Darkhorse21x 1 year ago
The feed stopped at 6:24. I can't give a thumbs up and share if it does not play. FTS.
thefreedomnetwork 1 year ago
@GuerrillaFighter12
Agreed.
I used to sit in on contract negotiation between a huge developer and a construction company. The developer only dealt with ONE contractor, not unlike a union, as they preferred their level of service. They talked about the specifics of a job and what the costs would be. They worked collaboratively to achieve a result.
The right to peaceably assemble is a right so by association, collective bargaining is a right. To deny collective bargaining is to deny reality.
Darkhorse21x 1 year ago
@davidlee1961 Because they're professional teachers who get paid to teach. In their defense, like doctors and all 'educated' peoples in our country, they've been deliberately dumbed down, too. Just is what it is. Perhaps they should say they're 'practicing educating' then the standard would be lowered as it is for doctors who are only paid if you're sick and who get paid to practice medicine.
foxfly23 1 year ago
@GuerrillaFighter12 "a right to collective bargaining"??
lol...that's so ridiculous. Search 'George Carlin rights'. There is only force and persuasion in the world - rights are just something in your head that sounds nice. If you walk down a dark alley in Detroit at night, no one cares about your 'rights' now, do they?
MoneyIsSilver 1 year ago
@davidlee1961 "The poor cannot afford to send their children to private schools."
This statement demonstrates a lack of understanding of the cause and effect of public schooling on the market. The reason there are no low cost, private schools is that they can't compete with the public schools for low income people. They can't just build big schools with money paid voluntarily from poor people. Without the public school monopoly, entrepreneurs could open low cost schools for poor people.
MoneyIsSilver 1 year ago
@GuerrillaFighter12
I agree that the removal of collective bargaining rights is a fools errand and plays politically to the lowest common denominator.
The unions need to realize that the employers "needs" of a productive workforce are not being met. I've seen it up close. Workers drop to the level of the "slowest" worker when that worker is coddled. Remove the "slow" worker and the "good" worker will pick up their game lest becoming the next union removal.
It's not complicated, strength reqd
Darkhorse21x 1 year ago
If we'd stop letting the rich rob us of tax revenue with outsourcing jobs, Bush Tax Cuts, tax loop holes, offshore tax havens, etc., we wouldn't be in this mess! Hyperinflation happens because of weak political will to tax the rich enough to pay the nations bills. The solutions are not taking the money from the poor and middle class to fix the mess caused because you haven't been taxing the rich enough. You should significantly raise tax rates on the rich until the problem is under control!
questmoo 1 year ago
The real solution is to stop making promises for pensions and then not properly funding them! If you negotiate to provide pensions to avoid raising wages, it doesn't add up that the public employees you promised them to is the problem! Sounds like fraud to me! Somebody ought to go to jail! Stopping collective bargaining has nothing to do with the solution! Americans should have decent wages. Unions do that. The solution is to stop lowering wages and outsourcing jobs and properly tax the rich!
questmoo 1 year ago
@GuerrillaFighter12 An entity, the state of Wisconsin, is choosing not to negotiate. Simple as that. Will you force me to negotiate with you if I choose not to? Teachers can accept their jobs and pay offered or move on instead of raping taxpayers year after year with their monopoly on public school teaching. Why would taxpayers put up with this year after year?! They are bamboozled with "it's for the children".
ihearttubing 1 year ago
@ihearttubing How much are teachers getting paid in Wisconsin? What is their present payout when they draw their pension?
questmoo 1 year ago
Excellent. This needs to be shared with everybody that we know.
carcabe 1 year ago
That 700 Billion in military spending doesn't include all military spending. Ron Paul says total military spending is about 1 Trillion per year.
bunsh1ch1 1 year ago 2
Did you just say that Canada has a higher "per capita debt" than the US?! I was unaware of this, but not surprised, considering the pervasive socialist nature of our government.
creamrising 1 year ago
@GuerrillaFighter12
This is like kids in the sand box.
If the unions were willing to remove the sub par workers, the employer would be more than happy to provide the benefits. It is just that simple.
The lunatics have taken over the asylum so to speak.
Workers will ink to a lower level if poor workers are coddled. If the union sets a high standard, workers will take more pride in what they do.
They won't have to fight for benefits. Negotiations will be smooth. I've seen it work in teamsters
Darkhorse21x 1 year ago
Great video. Huge reality check coming when people who support both par ties
seanmc30 1 year ago
I'm not sure why, but I kind of enjoy nasty societies failing in violent revolutions!
rebelq1 1 year ago
I think you are clearly underestimating the pressure downwards on the people in the public sector
19CJohnson 1 year ago
Are collective bargaining rights not rights? The teachers have agreed to higher contributions and other monetary concessions, at this point isn't it just an oppressive state government trying to suppress the rights of workers?
thorssmith 1 year ago
Excellent video Stef! As a son of Wisconsin, I wish I could beam this video into the minds of a few million people.
boxant 1 year ago
This was a bad video with no point. You rambled at first about WI teachers and brought up anecdotal evidence for where teachers place their children...and where was the beef? Yes if we allow the rich more than their fair share of income it is unsustainable. What is happening in WI is about stealing collective bargaining rights or did you miss that too? Google Daily Kos Wisconsin Ohio public employees are not over paid. I am sure you will find article.
FIRSTGLADI8R 1 year ago
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MrSethAction 1 year ago
@FIRSTGLADI8R Ha! The video had an amazing point you just totaly missed it.
MrSethAction 1 year ago
@MrSethAction Maybe for a philosopher you should make your ideas more coherent than what you did. Oh I get that life as we know it is not sustainable. Making poor arguments(WI protests) did not help prove your point. State workers have not been shown to earn too much. Siding with a cretin who wants to strip a group of a right pisses me off. How about the state do their job and properly negotiate withe the citizens interest. How many fallacies did you commit in this video?
FIRSTGLADI8R 1 year ago
@FIRSTGLADI8R ~ I did not make this video but, I think its great!
MrSethAction 1 year ago
@FIRSTGLADI8R
Please PEACH my argument to Shawnt223, further down this page.
Even accepting the necessity of the state for the sake of the argument, I think it's safe to say that we are now at the "every man for himself!"-stage of this particular shipwreck. Perhaps you should spend less time grumbling about the people who had the foresight to bring their own lifeboats, and more time thinking about what to do when your ass hits sea level?
PanzerDivisionBOM 1 year ago
A workers union makes perfect sense... if you happen to live under communism or another system in which the only employer is the State.
DrDissent 1 year ago