Brought to you by Disney... yea what ever, 2/3 rds of the population will die. More in the US as most city dwellers just won't have the skills and resoources to make it. Our next president after oil will be an Omish guy. With our new nations capitol somewhere in Ohio or Pensylvania.
This presentation fails to mention energy returned on energy investment (EROEI) with bio-fuels. Bio-fuels take more energy to make then they give back as the process is practically subsidized by energy from cheap oil and natural gas. Which really makes no sense as an alternative fuel then does it. All it probably is doing for us now currently is making our food cost more money and is wasting the oil and gas we have.
@oetzi0000 We Russians already have several tens of dozens of plutonium 239/uranium 238-fuelled breeder and non-breeder BREST nuclear power plants on line while using thorium-uranium 233 light water breeder reactors to supplement their output. This is the reason why Russia, even outproducing Saudi Arabia, did not went on a spending/splurging spree, we re-invested all in nuclear power and in key critical strategic heavy industries of all kinds and vertically integrating them all completely.
The same Karrick Retort technology can handle all kinds of coal and shale, wt the exception of one particular type of shale. Using coal, it produces 1 barrel per ton of coal, convert coal into a smokeless high temperature producing semi-char, co-generate electricity, and the phenol byproducts sold to petrochemical industries. Why create scare tactic-based movies like this? Simple, oil companies wants to raise the price of oil for bigger profits. Politicians who knows the truth goes along wt them
You Americans forget you have 2,000 yrs of easily accessible coal not including the deeper coal seams not yet tapped but already surveyed. We Russians have the titanically massive Elga coal deposits composed of many thousands of coal seams, one seam alone can supply the world's present and increasing coal needs for 100 yrs. The U.S has the Karrick Retort technology, mechanically automated, can produce 1 barrel per ton of coal, simple in design and reliable. So why the scare movie film tactics?
Problems with this documentary: Oil will not "run out". This program does not accurately capture the issue of Peak oil. The program does not discuss issues regarding suburbia and walkable communities. The ending is utterly unrealistic. We are going back to the 18th century.
@PfunkGW Not all nations will be like that,many nations happen to depend on other means of energy!But unfortunatly many nations will go to 18th century as you said!
@TheVoiceOfReason93 nukes need petroil to be launched, and anyway if they throw nukes in countries with petroil left they would be able to reach them because of radiations and no transport to bring them there.
@mikezzknight , they ignored a lot of facts in this presentation. One being that any minerals have to be mined and refined...and that cannot be done with any bio fuels. Not in the millions of tons of material to be moved to get a few thousand tons of minerals. Reality was not a part of this piece of advertising for bio-fuels.
You are correct! None of this would happen if it ended overnight. People would not abandon their families to go to work at factories, power plants or hospitals, if they could even get there. This looked like a pitch for bio-diesel and nothing more.
Yeah that's what I would want if I were starving in a post-apocalypse survival scenario. Gold. Mmm, gold fills you up real good! But I could see countless idiots doing it. Don't waste your time and calories making, grow, hunting and scrounging anything of actual value, instead spend countless hours scavanging miniscule amounts of worthless metal from old cell phones in the hopes everyone else is as dumb as you. lol, white people are stupid.
ok if tis happend and the power went out when i was playing vidio games i would say noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo fucking shit no more oil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
This is if oil ran out fully with no notice which is never going to happen! We have time to prepair if our goverments wernt such good friends with big oil!
ah.....Nuclear power anyone? The power of the sun? Just have the nuclear power sector commercialized and we will keep on advancing. Become immortals and further explore the outer space and all that.
@dryice100 I think the whole this was fantasy. Reality would have riots in the streets long before winter. There would be no orderly lines at food stores or fuel stations. There would be breaking and entering and dead cops if anything.
What this program doesn't mention is the fact that in addition to precious metals, a lot of personal electronics also contain chemicals such as lead and mercury which are harmful to humans. Do the research -- the truth is that right now, the United States dumps quite a lot of its discarded electronics in African countries simply because it's cheap to do so, and quite a few children who go through these dump sites in order to earn money by scavenging precious metals become sick.
The world won't 'run out' but demand growth will out-pace supply growth and eventually daily global production will begin its remorseless decline. This is a mathematical certainty. It's a sad truth about human nature that we tend not to want to deal with the long-term challenges of peak oil and global warming until the procrastination penalties are right in our faces. At that point, of course, it's too late to avoid serious pain.
@sdavis3398 -- Indeed. The Hirsch Report, published in 2005 by the US Dep't of Energy, stated that we should not be asking *if* Peak Oil will happen, but rather *when* it will happen. The report also estimates that we need to begin the transition to alternate fuels within twenty years of the Hubbert Peak in order to keep the impact on our society to a minimum -- ten years in advance to make the transition with some unavoidable sacrifices. Anything less and impacts will be severe.
Not a single engineer was consulted on this entire video. If somehow oil magically vanished overnight, the united states could be rewired on nuclear electricity in 3 months. Cars are being made today (not theoretical prototypes) that function on hydrogen fuel cell technology. In less than a year, all energy consumption could be switched over to hydrogen produced by solar energy.
@pavelkrioukov That's why there's natural gas, recyclable plastics, coal, vegetable oil etc. Where there's a will, there's a way, and worldwide resource crises are pretty good motivators.
Total oil propaganda video! The message of the film is that it will take us 40 years to figure out that local food production is more efficient. Humans make too much crap as it is. Our lives seem to be centered around economic activity. We are like super-locusts on the earth. Every person should be able to produce the basics of life: food, water, shelter, energy. Pollution is not necessary and neither is oil.
Oil doesn't need to be eliminated or seen as a poluting monster, instead reduce world population by 75% and keep it that way forever, only productive members of the new world allow to exist and all the other worthless eaters(Like me . :) gone to hell. Also eliminate all criminals, politicians, cops and the military. And to finish my wish list only one race to exterminate all others, I'll be the one selling tickets to hell, that will be the place to party, enjoy.
@Martijn31can I think it is hard to tell because our current organisational systems are inefficient. What might be a limit to what we have now could be half way to what the actual carrying capacity of earth is providing we were to live efficiently. With localisation and subsistence, I think it's more likely that a very large number of people could survive sustainably.
One thing that we have learned from the most recent economic crisis is that when the financial market falls, the entire economy will fall. This program only focuses on the "technical" side of fuel but doesn't talk much about the economic impact. Without fuel, without trade, most (if not all) of the listed companies will be bankrupted. The entire financial system will collapse. People's savings disappeared. We won't make it to 10 years after oil disappeared.
well its not gonna disapear in a sundden but slowly, givin us enought time to find alternates before its gone. i think finding alternates is betta than invadin arabs. howeva invadin arabs to end terrorism is a betta reason :D
An easy way to get metals for trade is to take a 5 dollar bill down to your bank and cash it in for a wad of pennies, the copper in the pennies is worth more than the paper money you have, now.
Without diesel-powered electricity nuclear waste would become unstable, right? You have to keep the waste cool for years and years. So... we'd all die out from nuclear explosions because all this happened.
I don't believe there will be anykind of explosion. When you don't have machines pumping in fresh water due to lack of lubricants made of oil to keep it running, the fail safe system kicks in. But radiation leakage could possibly occur.
@SURFINZORCH001 yeah the the thing is we don't get all our information about economy from the government, if what you said was true someone else would have noticed
Oil will dried out from the ground and under beneath the water someday. When that happen people will start to get panic or scared. There will be war interrupted over oil probably in Middle East oil and Caspian Sea that has tons of oil but the won't happen as long there is Alternative & Renewable energy.
The Alternative and Renewable energy like Solar Power / Solar Energy, Coal, Wind Power, Algae bio fuel, Algae biodiesel, Fossil Fuel, Natural Gas, Geothermal energy, Biomass, and Hydrogen.
@255ad Monkey madness (consistent realtime observations or apishness). Shit is a weapon. So, Fling your feces, oh ye malevolent misery monkeys. Remember, fresh is best. Aim for the eyes.
There so many holes in this video. Biofuel like ethanol takes about as much energy to produce as it generates. With out cheap plentiful oil as a platform, we cannot transition over to renewable energy. And even if we did it would still be enormously expensive.
Not necessarily true, look at Valcent, they seemed to have created a very efficient way of extracting biofuel from algae in module-based closed systems. If given one-tenth the land perimeter that of New Mexico, they can meet the demands of the US economy.
It's about scale. I seriously doubt that new technology like this even if feasable on an ERoEI basis can be brought to the scale needed to meet demand.
I think we will know in a few short years if technology will save us. They better get crackin.
Oh I'm pretty sure we've had the technology for a long while now. The major problem that such innovations like these don't come to fruition anytime sooner is because there are those who want to greenwash these alternative energy for the sake of keeping hold of their power like the oil barons. They often invest in politicians to make sure they continue to stay rich at the expense of the powerless.
@ScottishPoliceVideos You're a real idiot if you think there is any source of energy on Earth that can make up for the loss of the oil we use today.
If you combined all the crops in the world to make bio-fuels like ethanol, built as many solar panels and wind turbines as your resources allow, they wouldn't be enough for one tenth of the world's population to survive. Oil is not replaceable. It's just a matter of quantity.
@terminator847 really what about coal, shale fossil fuels there are huge levels of nitrogen, and natural gas, there are trillions of tons of differnt types of gasses in the earth crust that can be as prodective as oil the issue would be they are still all green house gases, the video is stupid because coal can be turned into oil, there is more oil in the form of shale in the western US than the whole of the middle east for 4 us bucks a galloon.
@ASexyChef true we will be able to live as they lived in the 19th century coal years, and in the 19th century the world's population was one tenth what it is today, and all countries were mostly isolated from eachother
And the middle east does have most of the oil in the world(thankfully our corrupt puppet dictators over there make sure the oil keeps flowing at very low prices)
@terminator847 Wow you do not grasp do you, that we can convert coal into actual gas do you,we are not going to have to go back to old steam trains, and using horse carts, the end of days type after view of no more liquid oil is bullshit, we have easily in coal in the USA 300 years of energy just from COAL, we have huge areas with naturals gasses, just coal we can support 400 million americans for 300 years, wake up its about climate change, that the issue, fuel would cost more, but we have it.
@terminator847 what is coming to the end, is really cheap oil, pure liquid oil were you just stick a pipe in the ground and it comes gushing the the surface is over, and its really cheap to produce that way, with coal, you have to convert it, so that process means only when it reaches more than 4 bucks a gallon does it become profitable and thus realistic to convert coal or other things into GAS, but we still can and we still have once again 300 years of coal in the USA I hope you grasp it now??
@ASexyChef Then I guess you're right and the people who made this documentary above that we both watched are lyers, since you probably saw all the figures and made all the calculations,right?
@terminator847 I have studied this issue allot but not even a touch to as much as my brother who is an environmental engineer, do you want me to send you info that talks about the fact there is tech more oil in the western USA in the form of shale, which cost allot to process into oil, like oil needs to be 4 to 5 bucks a gallon to convert that into it, but yes the makers of this video are idiots. Some aspects are true like it took billions of years to make the fossil fuels, green house effect
@terminator847 If we burn too much carbon rich fuel we will have the same conditions we had at a time, when more life went extinct than with the dinosaurs, people are not sure the reason why I can not remember the name of that erra off hand, but there been mass extensions before, that the ones who study it fear it was a run away green house that caused climate to change to dramatically, and 96 to 98 of all life died, and all we really know was there was allot of carbon in the atmosphere than.
@terminator847 I did not use their calculations at all, they are only talking about liquid oil in this documentary, they ignore all the other sources of what are fossil fuels out there, you do have coal, natural gas, methane in huge levels along with more oil once again than the whole of the middle east in the western USA, but its in the form of rock. So you have to process it out of it, and back when I did study it was 4 to 5 dollars a gallon but that could be more now with inflation!
@ASexyChef Yes, there is plenty of energy left in coal but coal is the dirtiest of the 3 fossil fuels so to simply list it as a feasible energy resource ignores all the consequences of its combustion. And natural gas is not a cake walk either. Huge reserves here in the U.S. but hydraulic-fracturing or "fracking" has not been proven safe. There are reports of contaminated aquifers where fracking is used.
@dbrotman Coal is maybe the most dirty of the carbon based fuels when talking about green house gas but there are actual some that do far worse than coal when talking about green house gases, those are the ones many who want to terriform mars one day would use which has like 1,000 the effect for the same amount as carbon for holding in warmth. I never stated that we in the west would want to keep using fossil fuels only the premise we are running out is wrong, I would prefer more solar myself.
@dbrotman It depends what we are talking about, take methane, its produced by all living things yet it is worse than carbon dioxide, as a green house gas, there are natural sources for it, but many who debate the raising of cattle, tend to point to methane is why its bad, Nitrous oxide, Sulfur Dioxide and those are linked to issues with acid rain, so dirtier depends on what you are talking about, green house gases, effect on O zone, so dirtier is a relative term,
@ASexyChef Correct. Methane is worse in its heat trapping properties. But methane is not a fossil fuel. Rather it is a byproduct of a warming planet. The polar ice caps and Siberian tundra contain massive stores of methane from decayed plant matter that will be released into the atmosphere as the ice melts creating a positive feedback effect. A Russian team recently observed giant plumes of methane bubbling up to the surface in the North Pole. A very ominous sign.
@dbrotman Google Fossil fuel wikipedia, there it states methane is a fossil fuel, today we reclaim it from dumpsites, and even some farms take it from the cattle poo, and I think there are even places that take it from human bi products today. All the later would not be considered fossil fuels...
@ASexyChef greenhouse gases did not cause the hole in the o-zone, it was ferons in fridges and such. greenhouse gases thicken the atmosphere. that's a very common misconception.
@ASexyChef you've got 300 years at current usage. when it has to replace oil and gas that number will plummet. energywise, one tonne of coal is the equivalent of about 5 barrels of oil.
@raverdeath100 Yet we have who knows how much fuel with things like frozen meth, which could actually leak out if the world heats up too much, but there is right now huge levels of the stuff right under the ocean, what about the fact that there is more oil in the form of shale in Colorado, Utah, Arizona, etc. Liquid oil will be gone there are allot of other fuels we can use but the green house effect is still the issue, what that will do to the climate, the cost of fuel will not be that cheap.
@ASexyChef i agree, there are other sources. frozen methane is incredibly hard to utilise because it only exists in a delicate balance with the surrounding environment. slight disturbances can cause massive releases into the air, and most of it is in hard to get to areas. oil shale takes enormous amounts of water and energy to extract, not to mention local tectonic problems. we could eke out the remains of FF for a century or so but at greatly reduced amounts. fusion power is the...
@ASexyChef best bet, but that is probably decades away. i'm not doom and gloom about this, i look at it as an opportunity to improve our style of living. we are still living in the stone age. everything we use, we dig out of the ground. with biotech, nano and meta technology, the 21st century could usher in a whole new way for societies to develop. i can imagine a hell of a lot and if I can imagine it, it will probably be possible. our way of life is obsolete.
@Criz19710819 How is that an issue with a world without oil, most of the grid is powered by coal, and we have hundreds of years of coal in the US, the show ignores the fact that we can turn both coal into gas and there is more oil in the west US in the form of shale than the whole of the middle east, so even if all oil is gone we can convert that for 4 bucks a galloon, the issue is global warming the cause of that no the lack of fossil fuels there are enough to last.
@Criz19710819 Very valid point. Most people won't be able to, others may get them from solar power. I just recently fortified my food storage and installed another solar panel to put me off the grid, so my power would come from the sun.
we will have to eat those meaces (feaces in the form of meat) burgers created by that japanese scientist if our cattle die cause we cant feed them, look this guy up. i saw it on cnn.com
BREAKING NEWS!!! - In addition to all other changes happening in the world on October 28, 2011 which is the end of one of the Mayan calendar cycle, Free energy via Cold fusion will be launched. Look up e-cat cold fusion on the internet. This will definitely change our world. Isn't that great? :)
That's what I was thinking, but the Mad Max scenario is a world where no alternative energy gets implemented. The only thing I disagree with this documentary video is that algae was being implemented as the final solution to the post-industrial future. Given that we know at this minute how much oil algae can produce in such efficient manner, it would be used as an early adopter to replace petrol if it disappeared all of a sudden.
Uh satellites are launched into space using liquid hydrogen, and other materials. They are no way related to oil unless if oil is used to process them.
I suspect that plastic and latex could possibly be produced by algae. If you can turn petrol oil into these materials, it's possible you can do it with algae.
This whole show is like the Neocon's masturbatory wet dream. Dick Cheney is watching this somewhere going "Quarantined areas with fatal diseases?.... oooooo! ooooo! ....and no medicine or doctors to treat the sick? oooo! ooo! ...don't stop!"
What the hell is with NYC crumbling? NYC has one of the largest rail links in the world with several huge stations. NYC wouldn't be falling apart, because of it's huge rail network.
@America100000able The only thing I can think of is that the high rises might be inhabitable if you have no power for heating, cooling, ventilation, elevators, stoves and refrigerators. However, everyone seems to agree that high density living is the wave of the future.
It's all spin in the end. That bit about bio-fuels based on algae is pure fantasy. Scientific American reports in 1/22/2010, it would require "copious amounts of fertilizer".
@ElBarto3131 Good point but a lot of people wouldn't have a clue how to survive. People 200 years ago were taught growing up---they started young, almost like an apprenticeship under their parents. It was just as how the Amish are still today.
This episode is kind of stupid..... the immediate aftermath will be massive, but the world will recover in less than ten years to normal..... Nothing about solar energy, hydroelectricity, wind mills, and most importantly......... nuclear energy will meet our need in less than ten years......... the whole world will run on nuclear energy, not algae biofuel or lithium batteries.
Whats not touched enough is that long before we get to this you'll have rescource wars. The US would almost certainly be prepared to go to war to guarantee a supply (Iraq, Kuwait, Panama, Suez amongst others as examples).
@celticseahorse It was touched at all. You are 100% right. The usa, along with china and russia will certainly be converging on the middle east, which would most likely result in a war between the usa, russia, and china for the rights to take the oil. And if a war against those three happens, we wont have to worry about oil, because eventually one of them is going to start to lose, get desperate, and drop a nuke. Once one nuke is dropped, forget about it, nukes will be dropped everywhere.
Plain bullshit. Satellites not being replaced because there is no more fuel. Okay, some rocket engines use kerosene (RP-1, but there is liquid hydrogen, solid fuels, monopropellants, etc. As of today, some satellites are launched without fuel.
@LosAngelesWeedSmoker bad news is getting a firearm in the new york/new jersey area is very hard..... alot of waiting and getting a pistol for get about it shotguns? still easier the law around here is very very mega gay the town you live in the "chief" decides wether you can own a gun or not ... retarded right ? yep... thats why i am looking into tryng to get a shotgun still easier but my age limits it for now i know no chief will give a permit to a 20 year old .... sad but true so i gotta wait
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This is all very stupid,,,, if we run out of oil we use uranium and nuclear energy !!!!!
j0o0rdan23 6 days ago
Brought to you by Disney... yea what ever, 2/3 rds of the population will die. More in the US as most city dwellers just won't have the skills and resoources to make it. Our next president after oil will be an Omish guy. With our new nations capitol somewhere in Ohio or Pensylvania.
humorU2 1 week ago
Are there no more fossil fuels.
AKAgambler360 1 week ago
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This presentation fails to mention energy returned on energy investment (EROEI) with bio-fuels. Bio-fuels take more energy to make then they give back as the process is practically subsidized by energy from cheap oil and natural gas. Which really makes no sense as an alternative fuel then does it. All it probably is doing for us now currently is making our food cost more money and is wasting the oil and gas we have.
imperialcrypt 1 week ago
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imperialcrypt 1 week ago
Coal is even dirtier than oil. Both need to go the way of the dinosaur. (Ironic that that's what they're made of, eh?)
EBFilmsMan 1 week ago
i believe that nuclear power will be used a lot more than ethanol or any other fuel
oetzi0000 2 weeks ago 2
@oetzi0000 We Russians already have several tens of dozens of plutonium 239/uranium 238-fuelled breeder and non-breeder BREST nuclear power plants on line while using thorium-uranium 233 light water breeder reactors to supplement their output. This is the reason why Russia, even outproducing Saudi Arabia, did not went on a spending/splurging spree, we re-invested all in nuclear power and in key critical strategic heavy industries of all kinds and vertically integrating them all completely.
darthvader5300 1 week ago
@oetzi0000 Yes but nuclear power needs oil to generate it! Have a look at "collapse" by Michael Ruppert..
adeleellie6 1 week ago
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hmmm, thats interesting.. i didn't know that.. i thought that they are autonomous nuclear power source unit..
oetzi0000 1 week ago
The same Karrick Retort technology can handle all kinds of coal and shale, wt the exception of one particular type of shale. Using coal, it produces 1 barrel per ton of coal, convert coal into a smokeless high temperature producing semi-char, co-generate electricity, and the phenol byproducts sold to petrochemical industries. Why create scare tactic-based movies like this? Simple, oil companies wants to raise the price of oil for bigger profits. Politicians who knows the truth goes along wt them
darthvader5300 2 weeks ago
You Americans forget you have 2,000 yrs of easily accessible coal not including the deeper coal seams not yet tapped but already surveyed. We Russians have the titanically massive Elga coal deposits composed of many thousands of coal seams, one seam alone can supply the world's present and increasing coal needs for 100 yrs. The U.S has the Karrick Retort technology, mechanically automated, can produce 1 barrel per ton of coal, simple in design and reliable. So why the scare movie film tactics?
darthvader5300 2 weeks ago
No doubt the immigrants will still find a way to get to the UK..
idyhot 2 weeks ago
oil its runing out the nasa says oil should run out until 2020-25
powerkidO7 2 weeks ago
Oil will run out eventually and we need to conserve it for future generations.
jackiechan511 2 weeks ago
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jackiechan511 2 weeks ago
Problems with this documentary: Oil will not "run out". This program does not accurately capture the issue of Peak oil. The program does not discuss issues regarding suburbia and walkable communities. The ending is utterly unrealistic. We are going back to the 18th century.
PfunkGW 2 weeks ago
@PfunkGW Not all nations will be like that,many nations happen to depend on other means of energy!But unfortunatly many nations will go to 18th century as you said!
RoyaCanadianInfantry 2 weeks ago
did anyone notice it jump at about 9:20
gdaulby 2 weeks ago
Where's the goddamn wars? I would expect at least a few nukes going off as the other countries fight for resources.
TheVoiceOfReason93 3 weeks ago
@TheVoiceOfReason93 nukes need petroil to be launched, and anyway if they throw nukes in countries with petroil left they would be able to reach them because of radiations and no transport to bring them there.
moddingspree 2 weeks ago
there are two probable outcomes: 1 new fuel alternatives are discovered and used. 2. It goes right madmax road warrior.
kurlobe 4 weeks ago
what about nuclear energy?
mikezzknight 1 month ago
@mikezzknight , they ignored a lot of facts in this presentation. One being that any minerals have to be mined and refined...and that cannot be done with any bio fuels. Not in the millions of tons of material to be moved to get a few thousand tons of minerals. Reality was not a part of this piece of advertising for bio-fuels.
sunfyrlion 1 month ago
this outlook is far too nice and benign
there would be a huge die off and roaming gangs of thugs that would ssteal for food and supplies
1x93cm 1 month ago
You are correct! None of this would happen if it ended overnight. People would not abandon their families to go to work at factories, power plants or hospitals, if they could even get there. This looked like a pitch for bio-diesel and nothing more.
sunfyrlion 1 month ago
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Yeah that's what I would want if I were starving in a post-apocalypse survival scenario. Gold. Mmm, gold fills you up real good! But I could see countless idiots doing it. Don't waste your time and calories making, grow, hunting and scrounging anything of actual value, instead spend countless hours scavanging miniscule amounts of worthless metal from old cell phones in the hopes everyone else is as dumb as you. lol, white people are stupid.
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ok if tis happend and the power went out when i was playing vidio games i would say noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo fucking shit no more oil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
robloxepic123 1 month ago
This is if oil ran out fully with no notice which is never going to happen! We have time to prepair if our goverments wernt such good friends with big oil!
1997seanmac 1 month ago
Someone got paid to do this?! Seriously?!
niatan1 1 month ago
ah.....Nuclear power anyone? The power of the sun? Just have the nuclear power sector commercialized and we will keep on advancing. Become immortals and further explore the outer space and all that.
Person514cs 1 month ago
yeah the ending is just utopian, it would never happen like that.
dryice100 1 month ago 10
@dryice100 I think the whole this was fantasy. Reality would have riots in the streets long before winter. There would be no orderly lines at food stores or fuel stations. There would be breaking and entering and dead cops if anything.
sunfyrlion 1 month ago
Bullshit. The answer is Steampunk not lame hippy tech.
KrazyKommieKiller 1 month ago
this final part is TOO OPTIMISTIC
unarisataviseppellir 1 month ago 21
@unarisataviseppellir Exactly - how are they gonna generate the electricity without oil?
adeleellie6 1 week ago
@adeleellie6 they can with energy from the sun, the wind, the sea currents, etc....
unarisataviseppellir 1 week ago
This is a granola piece of crap.
bigdanbear 1 month ago
What this program doesn't mention is the fact that in addition to precious metals, a lot of personal electronics also contain chemicals such as lead and mercury which are harmful to humans. Do the research -- the truth is that right now, the United States dumps quite a lot of its discarded electronics in African countries simply because it's cheap to do so, and quite a few children who go through these dump sites in order to earn money by scavenging precious metals become sick.
OreadNYC 2 months ago
Good thing we have our own Farm ,we grow our Food , not all but mutch
Flintt123 2 months ago
The world won't 'run out' but demand growth will out-pace supply growth and eventually daily global production will begin its remorseless decline. This is a mathematical certainty. It's a sad truth about human nature that we tend not to want to deal with the long-term challenges of peak oil and global warming until the procrastination penalties are right in our faces. At that point, of course, it's too late to avoid serious pain.
sdavis3398 2 months ago
@sdavis3398
I think You are Right- Good Comment
Flintt123 2 months ago
@sdavis3398 -- Indeed. The Hirsch Report, published in 2005 by the US Dep't of Energy, stated that we should not be asking *if* Peak Oil will happen, but rather *when* it will happen. The report also estimates that we need to begin the transition to alternate fuels within twenty years of the Hubbert Peak in order to keep the impact on our society to a minimum -- ten years in advance to make the transition with some unavoidable sacrifices. Anything less and impacts will be severe.
OreadNYC 2 months ago
Not a single engineer was consulted on this entire video. If somehow oil magically vanished overnight, the united states could be rewired on nuclear electricity in 3 months. Cars are being made today (not theoretical prototypes) that function on hydrogen fuel cell technology. In less than a year, all energy consumption could be switched over to hydrogen produced by solar energy.
shadowstorm1989 2 months ago
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you're forgetting the part where manufacturing will stop as well, because the machinery relies on oil to run and not just for fuel.
pavelkrioukov 3 weeks ago
@pavelkrioukov That's why there's natural gas, recyclable plastics, coal, vegetable oil etc. Where there's a will, there's a way, and worldwide resource crises are pretty good motivators.
shadowstorm1989 3 weeks ago
Total oil propaganda video! The message of the film is that it will take us 40 years to figure out that local food production is more efficient. Humans make too much crap as it is. Our lives seem to be centered around economic activity. We are like super-locusts on the earth. Every person should be able to produce the basics of life: food, water, shelter, energy. Pollution is not necessary and neither is oil.
InhabitantOfUniverse 2 months ago 2
Oil doesn't need to be eliminated or seen as a poluting monster, instead reduce world population by 75% and keep it that way forever, only productive members of the new world allow to exist and all the other worthless eaters(Like me . :) gone to hell. Also eliminate all criminals, politicians, cops and the military. And to finish my wish list only one race to exterminate all others, I'll be the one selling tickets to hell, that will be the place to party, enjoy.
lobo25usn 2 months ago
@lobo25usn
you'll be the first one to go.
pavelkrioukov 3 weeks ago
Nothing about nuclear power making a revival?? Without oil and without nuclear the earth can never sustain 7 billion people.
Martijn31can 2 months ago
@Martijn31can I think it is hard to tell because our current organisational systems are inefficient. What might be a limit to what we have now could be half way to what the actual carrying capacity of earth is providing we were to live efficiently. With localisation and subsistence, I think it's more likely that a very large number of people could survive sustainably.
DeanoProductionsTM 2 months ago
bullshit!!
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One thing that we have learned from the most recent economic crisis is that when the financial market falls, the entire economy will fall. This program only focuses on the "technical" side of fuel but doesn't talk much about the economic impact. Without fuel, without trade, most (if not all) of the listed companies will be bankrupted. The entire financial system will collapse. People's savings disappeared. We won't make it to 10 years after oil disappeared.
upk213 2 months ago
Aaaahhh! Bollox! I thought they'de be more death and destruction I'n this
annabatarowicz 2 months ago
One thing we are sure of: The world may never ever run out of oil!! Its impossible to life without oil!!
marlb0r015 2 months ago
@Taylor3006b Amen, brother.
yugozastava13 2 months ago
well its not gonna disapear in a sundden but slowly, givin us enought time to find alternates before its gone. i think finding alternates is betta than invadin arabs. howeva invadin arabs to end terrorism is a betta reason :D
Rdhot123 2 months ago
You know that carbon fiber needs resin which is actually made from oil :D
faramawy89 2 months ago
9:28 Look, there is some happiness in the world. That building is smiling.
EndWarRocks27 3 months ago
An easy way to get metals for trade is to take a 5 dollar bill down to your bank and cash it in for a wad of pennies, the copper in the pennies is worth more than the paper money you have, now.
LtSgt5 3 months ago
Without diesel-powered electricity nuclear waste would become unstable, right? You have to keep the waste cool for years and years. So... we'd all die out from nuclear explosions because all this happened.
blackberrypatch 3 months ago
@blackberrypatch
I don't believe there will be anykind of explosion. When you don't have machines pumping in fresh water due to lack of lubricants made of oil to keep it running, the fail safe system kicks in. But radiation leakage could possibly occur.
NaziGOPBallmer 2 months ago in playlist Life after oil
@mtthwcss this world didn't seem better off without oil to me
255ad 3 months ago
@SURFINZORCH001 yeah the the thing is we don't get all our information about economy from the government, if what you said was true someone else would have noticed
255ad 3 months ago
Oil will dried out from the ground and under beneath the water someday. When that happen people will start to get panic or scared. There will be war interrupted over oil probably in Middle East oil and Caspian Sea that has tons of oil but the won't happen as long there is Alternative & Renewable energy.
The Alternative and Renewable energy like Solar Power / Solar Energy, Coal, Wind Power, Algae bio fuel, Algae biodiesel, Fossil Fuel, Natural Gas, Geothermal energy, Biomass, and Hydrogen.
SilentEagles 3 months ago
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SilentEagles 3 months ago
First, Oil won't suddenly run out. OTOH, the decline has already begun. Get real or die.
Second, if it did, they'd be MASS panic (chaos) within hours or days, not months and years
Third, Food IS OIL, You are Food. Therefore, you are crude.
Forth, Bye bye misery monkeys. Good FKN riddance.
"You can ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.” - Ayn Rand
lonewolfmtnz 3 months ago
@lonewolfmtnz "Second, if it did, they'd be MASS panic (chaos) within hours or days, not months and years" what's that assertion based on?
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@255ad Monkey madness (consistent realtime observations or apishness). Shit is a weapon. So, Fling your feces, oh ye malevolent misery monkeys. Remember, fresh is best. Aim for the eyes.
lonewolfmtnz 3 months ago
@lonewolfmtnz when has that ever happened over any disaster?
255ad 3 months ago
this must have been made by the corn/ethenal lobbyists...
Pauly69s 3 months ago 2
What a bunch of fairy tale horse shit... when the food runs out utter chaos will be the new normal. Humans will be the new cow.
ReverendOhm 3 months ago
There so many holes in this video. Biofuel like ethanol takes about as much energy to produce as it generates. With out cheap plentiful oil as a platform, we cannot transition over to renewable energy. And even if we did it would still be enormously expensive.
amandine512 3 months ago 2
@amandine512 yeah but the power to produce the ethanol is coming from coal power plants, you can't just plug cars into the the grid directly
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@amandine512
Not necessarily true, look at Valcent, they seemed to have created a very efficient way of extracting biofuel from algae in module-based closed systems. If given one-tenth the land perimeter that of New Mexico, they can meet the demands of the US economy.
NaziGOPBallmer 2 months ago
@NaziGOPBallmer
It's about scale. I seriously doubt that new technology like this even if feasable on an ERoEI basis can be brought to the scale needed to meet demand.
I think we will know in a few short years if technology will save us. They better get crackin.
amandine512 2 months ago
@amandine512
Oh I'm pretty sure we've had the technology for a long while now. The major problem that such innovations like these don't come to fruition anytime sooner is because there are those who want to greenwash these alternative energy for the sake of keeping hold of their power like the oil barons. They often invest in politicians to make sure they continue to stay rich at the expense of the powerless.
NaziGOPBallmer 1 month ago
well the people before us lived without oil so we can do it too we finally get to ride on horses trough the city without being called weirdos xD
Rhexx18 3 months ago
@Rhexx18 there is to to many of us now for that to work
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What about nuclear power?
Zone117x 3 months ago
lies it wouldnt be a happy ending
cinnomonsinner 3 months ago
05:44 to skip what you saw in the last part
TheGrasshugger 3 months ago 14
A very over the top happy ending. I think there'd be rioting and looting more than human togetherness and rebuilding.
pickering86 3 months ago 2
Yeah, like that ending's going to happen...
SirKingy 4 months ago
Nice videos man,thx for sharing.
rojenghale 4 months ago
Problem with the electric car thing:
Without the grid, where do you get the electricity for your electric car?
Criz19710819 4 months ago 17
@Criz19710819 Renewable energy as they said in the film. Did you watch it?
ScottishPoliceVideos 2 months ago
@ScottishPoliceVideos You're a real idiot if you think there is any source of energy on Earth that can make up for the loss of the oil we use today.
If you combined all the crops in the world to make bio-fuels like ethanol, built as many solar panels and wind turbines as your resources allow, they wouldn't be enough for one tenth of the world's population to survive. Oil is not replaceable. It's just a matter of quantity.
terminator847 1 month ago
@terminator847 really what about coal, shale fossil fuels there are huge levels of nitrogen, and natural gas, there are trillions of tons of differnt types of gasses in the earth crust that can be as prodective as oil the issue would be they are still all green house gases, the video is stupid because coal can be turned into oil, there is more oil in the form of shale in the western US than the whole of the middle east for 4 us bucks a galloon.
ASexyChef 1 month ago
@ASexyChef true we will be able to live as they lived in the 19th century coal years, and in the 19th century the world's population was one tenth what it is today, and all countries were mostly isolated from eachother
And the middle east does have most of the oil in the world(thankfully our corrupt puppet dictators over there make sure the oil keeps flowing at very low prices)
terminator847 1 month ago
@terminator847 Wow you do not grasp do you, that we can convert coal into actual gas do you,we are not going to have to go back to old steam trains, and using horse carts, the end of days type after view of no more liquid oil is bullshit, we have easily in coal in the USA 300 years of energy just from COAL, we have huge areas with naturals gasses, just coal we can support 400 million americans for 300 years, wake up its about climate change, that the issue, fuel would cost more, but we have it.
ASexyChef 1 month ago
@terminator847 what is coming to the end, is really cheap oil, pure liquid oil were you just stick a pipe in the ground and it comes gushing the the surface is over, and its really cheap to produce that way, with coal, you have to convert it, so that process means only when it reaches more than 4 bucks a gallon does it become profitable and thus realistic to convert coal or other things into GAS, but we still can and we still have once again 300 years of coal in the USA I hope you grasp it now??
ASexyChef 1 month ago
@ASexyChef Then I guess you're right and the people who made this documentary above that we both watched are lyers, since you probably saw all the figures and made all the calculations,right?
terminator847 1 month ago
@terminator847 I have studied this issue allot but not even a touch to as much as my brother who is an environmental engineer, do you want me to send you info that talks about the fact there is tech more oil in the western USA in the form of shale, which cost allot to process into oil, like oil needs to be 4 to 5 bucks a gallon to convert that into it, but yes the makers of this video are idiots. Some aspects are true like it took billions of years to make the fossil fuels, green house effect
ASexyChef 1 month ago
@terminator847 If we burn too much carbon rich fuel we will have the same conditions we had at a time, when more life went extinct than with the dinosaurs, people are not sure the reason why I can not remember the name of that erra off hand, but there been mass extensions before, that the ones who study it fear it was a run away green house that caused climate to change to dramatically, and 96 to 98 of all life died, and all we really know was there was allot of carbon in the atmosphere than.
ASexyChef 1 month ago
@terminator847 I did not use their calculations at all, they are only talking about liquid oil in this documentary, they ignore all the other sources of what are fossil fuels out there, you do have coal, natural gas, methane in huge levels along with more oil once again than the whole of the middle east in the western USA, but its in the form of rock. So you have to process it out of it, and back when I did study it was 4 to 5 dollars a gallon but that could be more now with inflation!
ASexyChef 1 month ago
@ASexyChef Yes, there is plenty of energy left in coal but coal is the dirtiest of the 3 fossil fuels so to simply list it as a feasible energy resource ignores all the consequences of its combustion. And natural gas is not a cake walk either. Huge reserves here in the U.S. but hydraulic-fracturing or "fracking" has not been proven safe. There are reports of contaminated aquifers where fracking is used.
dbrotman 1 month ago
@dbrotman Coal is maybe the most dirty of the carbon based fuels when talking about green house gas but there are actual some that do far worse than coal when talking about green house gases, those are the ones many who want to terriform mars one day would use which has like 1,000 the effect for the same amount as carbon for holding in warmth. I never stated that we in the west would want to keep using fossil fuels only the premise we are running out is wrong, I would prefer more solar myself.
ASexyChef 4 weeks ago
@ASexyChef Really, interesting. What is dirtier than coal? I am really curious about that.
dbrotman 3 weeks ago
@dbrotman It depends what we are talking about, take methane, its produced by all living things yet it is worse than carbon dioxide, as a green house gas, there are natural sources for it, but many who debate the raising of cattle, tend to point to methane is why its bad, Nitrous oxide, Sulfur Dioxide and those are linked to issues with acid rain, so dirtier depends on what you are talking about, green house gases, effect on O zone, so dirtier is a relative term,
ASexyChef 3 weeks ago
@ASexyChef Correct. Methane is worse in its heat trapping properties. But methane is not a fossil fuel. Rather it is a byproduct of a warming planet. The polar ice caps and Siberian tundra contain massive stores of methane from decayed plant matter that will be released into the atmosphere as the ice melts creating a positive feedback effect. A Russian team recently observed giant plumes of methane bubbling up to the surface in the North Pole. A very ominous sign.
dbrotman 3 weeks ago
@dbrotman Google Fossil fuel wikipedia, there it states methane is a fossil fuel, today we reclaim it from dumpsites, and even some farms take it from the cattle poo, and I think there are even places that take it from human bi products today. All the later would not be considered fossil fuels...
ASexyChef 3 weeks ago
@ASexyChef greenhouse gases did not cause the hole in the o-zone, it was ferons in fridges and such. greenhouse gases thicken the atmosphere. that's a very common misconception.
gdaulby 2 weeks ago
@ASexyChef sorry, you were right and I was wrong
terminator847 4 weeks ago
@ASexyChef you've got 300 years at current usage. when it has to replace oil and gas that number will plummet. energywise, one tonne of coal is the equivalent of about 5 barrels of oil.
raverdeath100 1 month ago
@raverdeath100 Yet we have who knows how much fuel with things like frozen meth, which could actually leak out if the world heats up too much, but there is right now huge levels of the stuff right under the ocean, what about the fact that there is more oil in the form of shale in Colorado, Utah, Arizona, etc. Liquid oil will be gone there are allot of other fuels we can use but the green house effect is still the issue, what that will do to the climate, the cost of fuel will not be that cheap.
ASexyChef 1 month ago
@ASexyChef i agree, there are other sources. frozen methane is incredibly hard to utilise because it only exists in a delicate balance with the surrounding environment. slight disturbances can cause massive releases into the air, and most of it is in hard to get to areas. oil shale takes enormous amounts of water and energy to extract, not to mention local tectonic problems. we could eke out the remains of FF for a century or so but at greatly reduced amounts. fusion power is the...
raverdeath100 1 month ago
@ASexyChef best bet, but that is probably decades away. i'm not doom and gloom about this, i look at it as an opportunity to improve our style of living. we are still living in the stone age. everything we use, we dig out of the ground. with biotech, nano and meta technology, the 21st century could usher in a whole new way for societies to develop. i can imagine a hell of a lot and if I can imagine it, it will probably be possible. our way of life is obsolete.
raverdeath100 1 month ago
@Criz19710819 I'll give you 40 years to think of a solution to that.
BrandonSchleifer 2 months ago
@Criz19710819 just because the US is run on coal to produce electricity doesnt mean other places dont have renewable sources of electrical energy
swss12 1 month ago
@Criz19710819 How is that an issue with a world without oil, most of the grid is powered by coal, and we have hundreds of years of coal in the US, the show ignores the fact that we can turn both coal into gas and there is more oil in the west US in the form of shale than the whole of the middle east, so even if all oil is gone we can convert that for 4 bucks a galloon, the issue is global warming the cause of that no the lack of fossil fuels there are enough to last.
ASexyChef 1 month ago
@Criz19710819 Very valid point. Most people won't be able to, others may get them from solar power. I just recently fortified my food storage and installed another solar panel to put me off the grid, so my power would come from the sun.
ctuan13 1 month ago
We are at our very best when things are worst. :quote from Starman.
Redrumx21 4 months ago
if the oil runs out they will finally get off there asses and start using hydrogen engines. the end.
joshfuckingparsons 4 months ago
whats up with the cuts?
blorp3X 4 months ago
we will have to eat those meaces (feaces in the form of meat) burgers created by that japanese scientist if our cattle die cause we cant feed them, look this guy up. i saw it on cnn.com
zebredpooding 4 months ago
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one thing wrong with this video,, we will not be able to watch TV to get the news from :D
talhuwayli 4 months ago
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talhuwayli 4 months ago
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U.S. is going to war way before oil ends..the world fights it out...not growalgie and ride a golfkart,
babysuggar 4 months ago
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babysuggar 4 months ago
actually when they use all the water then what XD there will be no more agile
blblakeee 4 months ago
im suprised they didnt talk about water treatment once in these vids.
InfernoTurtle89 4 months ago
China invades Tibet 40 years later? Nonsense. That will happen in 2012!
baigandine 4 months ago
Oh my god, we are gonna die!
WarOfTed 4 months ago
You must all accept the new world order
sim0b 4 months ago
@sim0b you mean the one that is in ruins in this video?
juanlmesl 4 months ago
I like how they put a positive spin on this. In reality, billions will die.
Cept me.
Last man on the cinder. :)
stuntpea 4 months ago 2
every single senator and congressman must watch this. really get started on this fast, so when that day comes...
SKULLRED2010 5 months ago in playlist Earth 2100
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BREAKING NEWS!!! - In addition to all other changes happening in the world on October 28, 2011 which is the end of one of the Mayan calendar cycle, Free energy via Cold fusion will be launched. Look up e-cat cold fusion on the internet. This will definitely change our world. Isn't that great? :)
hurc662000 5 months ago
One question...what happens if algae runs out..
The18Jake 5 months ago
@The18Jake its renewable... you can grow it.
youdripblood 5 months ago
@youdripblood If billions of drums of oil can run out this fast,the world wouldn't re-supply itself fast enough to efficiently use algae.
The18Jake 5 months ago
@The18Jake
LOL!
NaziGOPBallmer 2 months ago
@BigMeatySteamer It would be terrible, but the middle country would survive if you got a few chickens and hid yourself.
ubentu 5 months ago
I am not sure that there would really be a happy ending.
I think Mad max would probably be closer to the mark.
bustermk2 5 months ago 16
@bustermk2
That's what I was thinking, but the Mad Max scenario is a world where no alternative energy gets implemented. The only thing I disagree with this documentary video is that algae was being implemented as the final solution to the post-industrial future. Given that we know at this minute how much oil algae can produce in such efficient manner, it would be used as an early adopter to replace petrol if it disappeared all of a sudden.
NaziGOPBallmer 2 months ago in playlist Life after oil
Uh satellites are launched into space using liquid hydrogen, and other materials. They are no way related to oil unless if oil is used to process them.
America100000able 5 months ago
FUNNY. I SEE PLASTIC ON THESE NEW CARS. BUT PLASTIC DISAPPEARED WHEN OIL RUN OUT. WTF?
55atras 5 months ago
@55atras
It might be metal for all we know.
America100000able 5 months ago
@55atras Um recycle DUH well that or more likely Hollywood Magic LOL glad I wasn't the only one that caught that
82RoadDog 4 months ago
@55atras
I suspect that plastic and latex could possibly be produced by algae. If you can turn petrol oil into these materials, it's possible you can do it with algae.
NaziGOPBallmer 2 months ago
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55atras 5 months ago
this video is definitely biased towards life is better without technology
ateaparrot 5 months ago
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We have NG gas to last more then the year 2200 guys so chill
67tr876 5 months ago
People on that tv show Hoarders are mocked, but I bet they'll do just fine when this happens.
jaymelee23 5 months ago
This whole show is like the Neocon's masturbatory wet dream. Dick Cheney is watching this somewhere going "Quarantined areas with fatal diseases?.... oooooo! ooooo! ....and no medicine or doctors to treat the sick? oooo! ooo! ...don't stop!"
MrFoxLicksHisRocks 5 months ago
What the hell is with NYC crumbling? NYC has one of the largest rail links in the world with several huge stations. NYC wouldn't be falling apart, because of it's huge rail network.
America100000able 6 months ago
@America100000able The only thing I can think of is that the high rises might be inhabitable if you have no power for heating, cooling, ventilation, elevators, stoves and refrigerators. However, everyone seems to agree that high density living is the wave of the future.
MrFoxLicksHisRocks 5 months ago
It's all spin in the end. That bit about bio-fuels based on algae is pure fantasy. Scientific American reports in 1/22/2010, it would require "copious amounts of fertilizer".
MrFoxLicksHisRocks 5 months ago
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@MrFoxLicksHisRocks not if you give it enough sunlight.
zephspacer 5 months ago
We came from farming, we will return to farming
666krogoth666 6 months ago
They're making things seem way too dramatic. People over 200 years ago lived fine without oil. Just adopt what they did to survive.
ElBarto3131 6 months ago
@ElBarto3131
Indeed,humanity has survived without oil for thousands of years. And we will find a way to do so again.
PortVienna80 6 months ago
@ElBarto3131 Good point but a lot of people wouldn't have a clue how to survive. People 200 years ago were taught growing up---they started young, almost like an apprenticeship under their parents. It was just as how the Amish are still today.
jaymelee23 5 months ago
@jaymelee23
Well, just go to the Amish for help.
ElBarto3131 5 months ago
Yep, people with try to replace oil with lithium.
ZeroSixtyFive 6 months ago
This episode is kind of stupid..... the immediate aftermath will be massive, but the world will recover in less than ten years to normal..... Nothing about solar energy, hydroelectricity, wind mills, and most importantly......... nuclear energy will meet our need in less than ten years......... the whole world will run on nuclear energy, not algae biofuel or lithium batteries.
vamshiinhell 6 months ago
This video is making things too dramatic. Whats up with the crumbling cities? Just switch resources people!!!
Pixareditor365 6 months ago
So air travel will revert to blimps and zeppelins? AWESOME!
helljumpr5150 6 months ago
Whats not touched enough is that long before we get to this you'll have rescource wars. The US would almost certainly be prepared to go to war to guarantee a supply (Iraq, Kuwait, Panama, Suez amongst others as examples).
celticseahorse 6 months ago 2
@celticseahorse It was touched at all. You are 100% right. The usa, along with china and russia will certainly be converging on the middle east, which would most likely result in a war between the usa, russia, and china for the rights to take the oil. And if a war against those three happens, we wont have to worry about oil, because eventually one of them is going to start to lose, get desperate, and drop a nuke. Once one nuke is dropped, forget about it, nukes will be dropped everywhere.
metathus 6 months ago 2
Plain bullshit. Satellites not being replaced because there is no more fuel. Okay, some rocket engines use kerosene (RP-1, but there is liquid hydrogen, solid fuels, monopropellants, etc. As of today, some satellites are launched without fuel.
Wikipedia: Rocket_propellant
xrd1Hal9000 6 months ago
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applexxcore 6 months ago
get a gun, you got control... over anyone with out one... and when you own guns, you can smell another gun owner pretty quick.
LosAngelesWeedSmoker 6 months ago
@LosAngelesWeedSmoker bad news is getting a firearm in the new york/new jersey area is very hard..... alot of waiting and getting a pistol for get about it shotguns? still easier the law around here is very very mega gay the town you live in the "chief" decides wether you can own a gun or not ... retarded right ? yep... thats why i am looking into tryng to get a shotgun still easier but my age limits it for now i know no chief will give a permit to a 20 year old .... sad but true so i gotta wait