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@redtrain8 Remember the two air balls against them in his rookie season? You know Kobe doesn't forget anything. He probably sees red whenever he plays Utah.
@BlackMambaShark Exactly, incredible how he gets that shots to go...when Kobe scores high figures, its usually off really tough jumpers and 3s.... what a hero...
Jerry SLoan is like....i really hope he doesnt get a good team....hahaha and Kobe ends up getting a good team and shitting on the Jazz 3 years in a row!
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Hey man, good question. I think Kobe is an all time great, top 15-20, but there is no way you can reasonably say, viewing everything objectively, that Kobe is the #2 player all time. Kobe may be the closest to Jordan SINCE Jordan retired though....
men jordan averaged about 23 points only in this era when he was in washington and that proved that players today is better i think durant can even kick his ass and school him in any day
HE ALREADY SET THE RECORD BY BEING THE OLDEST PLAYER EVER TO DROP 50+. REMEMBER KOBE IDOLIZED JORDAN FROM THE WAY HE WALKED, TO PLAYED, CONDUCTED INTERVIEWS, AND EVENT EHWAY HE CHEWED HIS GUM. LOOKS TO ME WHEN KOBE ISNT RIDING THE DIESEL HE CAN'T EVEN MAKE IT OUT OF THE FIRST ROUND. AS FOR SHAQ HE ALREADY HAS A RINGS (4). SHAQ HAS THREE FINALS MVP'S
i have nothing against kobe hes one of my favs but show respect for jordan and stop sucking kobes dick i mean i bet if u saw him in real life ud start kissing his ass right away i mean get a fucking life
with the moves kobe has i dont think jordan has those moves i mean kobe is very graceful and balanced i mean men just watched kobes game i think he can do almost anything if u let them play 1 on 1 i think kobe could own that sucker in every aspect of the game jordan vs kobe 1 on 1 man man jordan no chance
why does eveyone bring up kobe's stats? is it that hard to see that kobe is a player that is not defined by stats? everyone in the league calls him the greatest and im pretty sre they don't give a damn that he might go 16 for 47 from the field, cuz those 16 shots are probably when the lakers need them the most.
I BELIEVE I JUST SAW KOBE SCORE 30 IN ONE QUARTER AGAIN. MOST PLAYERS CANT GET 30 IN A FULL GAME, HE dOES IT IN ONE. WOW. WHY DO PEOPLE SAY WADE AND LEBRON ARE BETTER? MAKES NO SENSE. EVERYTHING THEY DO HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE BY KOBE.
Kobe scored 50 in the playoffs, which was great and his only time. How many does Jordan have? That's right 8 in the playoffs and the only person in history to get 50 in back to back games in the playoffs. First round doesn't mean as much as finals though...
THEIR YOU GO AGAIN. BRINGING UP JORDAN. I NEVER COMPARED KOBE TO hIM IDIOT. DAMN. UR A JORDAN ASS KISSER, DO YOU LIVE IN CHICAGO? ARE YOU A FAN OF THE BULLS? IF NOT WHY BOTHER? WHY DONT YOU TELL ME WHO IS yOUR FAVORITE PLAYER... TODAY! NOT 15 YEARS AGO.
Don't live in Chicago, never have. Not a bulls fan either. the only reason I'm here kid is to educated Kobe fans who think he can be compared to Jordan. Favorite players today: Duncan, Nash, Baron Davis, Josh Howard.
AND ALL IM DOING HERE IS TO EDUCATE KOBE HATERS, AND IDIOTS, BUT IM NOT GOING TO SAY KOBE IS BETTER THAN JORDAN, HE IS BETTER THAN WADE LEBRON ETC... I JUST FEEL SORRY FOR YOU BECAUSE JORDAN IS RETIRED aND NOW YOU HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO THAN THIS!
I agree, as of now, Kobe is better than Lebron and Wade, but as of the same age, Lebron was better. Kid, i watch the nba every season almost constantly. I love ball. I'm just not an idiot, so I realize Jordan is quite a bit better than anyone currently playing.
OK... LEBRON BETTER AS OF AGE! REMEMBER, KOBE aT LEBRONS AGE, WAS MAKING GAME WINNERS, AND TAKING OVER GAMES AND HE WASNT AFRAID. I KNOW YOU MIGHT DISAGREE BUT AS FAR AS KOBE AND LEBRON GO, LEBRON ISNT A VERY GOOD SHOOTER. HE HASNT HAD A RING YET. RIGHT ABOUT NOW ... UMMM. YEAH RIGHT ABOUT NOW AT LEBRONS AGE KOBE WILL BE WINNING HIS SECOND RING.
Lebron has made plenty of game winners too and actually set a record by scoring 25 pts in a row, in a conf finals against a great defensive team that had shut Kobe and the lakers down both games this season. Give LB his props. he is phenomenal for his age and great for any age. Kobe is better individually, Lebron is a better team player.
Lebron isn't that great of an outside shooter, but he is adequate, and still is better at getting to the hole than Kobe is and shoots a higher % from the field, which is the point. The object isn't to shoot from outside, but to put the ball in the hoop.
At Lebron's age, Kobe was playing with Shaq who drew a ton of attention away and made the game a LOT easier for Kobe. Lebron doesn't have that and is the focus of attention every time down for opps. Kobe had bad finals series too at Lebron's age. Both Kobe and LB have yet to lead a rteam to a ring. Both are great.
REMEMBER. SHAQ DIDNT WANT KOBE TO BE THE VOCAL POINT OF THE TEAM HIS FIRST 3 YEARS, BECAUSE SHAQ WANTED TO BE THE LEADER. NOW THAT SHAQ IS IN MIAMI HE LETS WADE BE THE LEADER... THATS BULL SHIT! SHAQ WAS hOLDING KOBE BACK AND NOW HE BECOMES A BITCH SIDEKICK. IMAGINE THAT. WELL iF SHAQ HAD ENOUGH SENSE TO DO THAT 10 YEARS AGO HE WOULD HAVE 6 RINGS.
Well that, and the fact that Kobe wasn't even starting when he joined the lakers. He wasn't ready to be a team leader. Shaq knew his limits and he knew against detroit in 04 he was dominating inside and that he needed the ball even more. Phil agreed. Kobe didn't. We know what happened....So we see that shaq shouldn't have deferred to Kobe bc Kobe couldn't deliver as team leader with that lakers squad.
I RESPECT UR COMMENTS BUT U HAVE TO ADMIT thE O4 SEASON WAS A FLUKE. I MEAN, KARL MALONE GOT INJURED IN GAME 2, AND SLAVA MEDVEDENKO WAS THE REPLACEMENT!
The thing is, even without payton or malone, the lakers still should have won. They were very heavy favorites. You can't really consider it a fluke that they lost considering Kobe and Shaq couldn't even make the finals in 03 together....
And no, Lebron and Wade have done things Kobe hasn't. Wade has put up a much better finals series than Kobe ever has, and in only one try, and Lebron has put up better rebound and assist numbers.
Kobe has 3 rings....but never one as a leader of the team, hence 0 finals mvps. Wade already has 1, in 1 try and already has a better finals performance in one try than Kobe has in 4 tries. Nothing is more important than finals performances, certainly not slam dunk titles. lol
HEY HEY HEY. DID I ASK FOR A HISTORY LESSON. HE WON THE RINGS AS PART OF A DOMINANT DUO. HE CREATED PLAYS FOR SHAQ UNDER THE RIM ALL THE TIME, wHICH LEAD TO EASY DUNKS, AND LOTS OF POINTS, AND SINCE PLAYOFF MVPs ARE BASED ON POINTS SHAQ GOT THE CREDIT. WHAT IS THAT LAKER TEAM WITHOUT KOBE HITTING THE BIG sHOTS? NOTHING. 3 RINGS 3 RINGS 3 333 3 333 3 33 . HAA HHAH WHAT WOULD THAT MIAMI HEAT TEAM BE WITHOUT SHAQ, NOTHING BUT A TRAVESTY.
And Kobe lost a ring as part of a dominant team with 4 hall of famers. Shaq proved Kobe was easily replaceable...with Wade, who performed better in the playoffs than Kobe ever has. That's why Wade has a finals mvp, Kobe has....exactly zero. Wade 1 for 1. Kobe 0 for 4.
NO! SHAQ PROVED HE ISNT AS DOMINANT AS HE USED TO BE WHEN HE WAS WITH KB. WHEN HE WAS THAT DOMINANT, WHEN YOU PASS HIM THE BALL IN THE PAINT ITS ALMOST A GUARANTEED DUNK. KOBE DIDNT HAVE TO BE DOMINANT. BECAUSE HE KNEW THAT HIS TIME TO TAKE OVER IS AT THE END OF GAMES. WHO THE FUCK sAID DRAWING FOULS AND FLOPPING MAKES A GREAT PLAYER, WADE sHOOTS FROM THE LINE KOBE SHOOTS FROM THE FIELD. THE RESULT IS... KOBE 3 P3AT, WADE SWEEP. THAT MADE SHAQ VERY ANGRY!
lol, well no shit he isn't as dominant, he ages like all humans do. Still, he has the 2nd highest PER in history behind Jordan at 27.6. Kobe is way down at 23.5. Kobe is great...individually, don't get me wrong, he just isn't a great team player and can't be compared to Mike.
once again you BRING UP JORDAN, WHO HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TODAY, SHAQ HAS A HIGH FIELD GOAL PERCENTAGE BECAUSE... HES A CENTER. NOW WEAR ARE CENTERS AGAIN, OOH YEAH IN THE PAINT UNDER THE RIM. HOW HARD IS IT TO DUNK AND LAYUP COMPARED TO THREE POINTERS AND JUMP SHOTS... IDIOT.
Look kid, I've been posting about Jordan on here for a LONG time, I'm sorry you are late to the conversation. I don't give a crap about Wade or Lebron or Kobe...none of them approach Jordan. And I didn't bring up FG% dumbfuck, I brought up PER, player efficiency ranking.
Seriously are you that dumb? I didn't even bring up FG% dumbfuck, but since you did: Kobe career .453, 0 seasons above 50%, top season .469. Jordan career .497, 6 seasons above 50%, top season .539. Not even comparable...
ufanatic2000 happens to be Micheal Jordan's sex slave so when he puts forth an absurd posit completely devoid of logic, just ignore him because its hard to think logically with a dick in your mouth. Alas, the jealous ones still envy; the thing that truly makes utfanatic2000 pathetic is the fact that he firmly believes that the quantification of ones play transcends the ineffability of individual brilliance. hahaha, "fg %" lol i suppose wilt's the greatest then right? Ur a fuckin idiot...silencio
Sorry kidd, nothing you can EVER say or do changes the fact that Jordan beats Kobe in stats, accomplishments, accolades, honors, records, rings, and impact on the game. ESPN polled 20 basketball experts recently who ALL agreed MJ was the best SG ever, better than Kobe. MJ and Kobe play the same position dumbfuck, and not only does MJ beat Kobe FG%, but effective FG%, pts, rebs, ass, stls, blocks, lol. Everything but 3PT%. REALITY kid. FACE it.
You and the other guy are uneducated. No one ever said that Kobe's trying to be like Jordan. Kobe and Lebron are making their own name. They play in different eras and rules and officiating has changed. Kobe is a better jump shooter than both Jordan and Lebron. Lebron is a better finisher than Kobe and Jordan. And Jordan is the best off the Dribble and scoring. They play differently, you can't compare them. Yes, Michael Jordan will always be considered the best because he was the first to do it.
Biased toward what? If anything, ESPN is biased toward CURRENT players in order to boost their sales and hype them up. Espn has no incentive to boost past players. Think.
ESPN doesn't 'boost sales' for anybody. If ESPN said that LeBron is the best in the league, i wouldnt fly to ohio to watch a game. Most people who watch espn are fans who are waiting for their sport or team highlights. People who dont follow sports dont watch espn, which means that ESPN doesnt drag in new 'customers'. It might help drag in people who watch other sports though (insig. #)
Hype is primarily for upcoming stars/players. Once you're proven (like Kobe), hype doesnt mean a thing.
Of course ESPN boosts players, they are in the business of promoting sports, and have marketing deals with Adidas, Nike, etc., so have every incentive to hype current stars. Conversely, Espn has ZERO incentive for bias toward retired stars. Thus, your point is completely moot and irrelevant. Really, you had no point. You said ESPN was biased...toward what? Jordan? Jordan is retired, ESPN has no incentive whatsoever to be biased toward him or any other past star. Think.
ESPN is the largest sports broadcasting network in the US. Adidas, Nike, and other companies would be stupid if they endorsed anyone else (whether they hype up players or not).
Although the analysts usually say what ESPN wants them to, they do have genuine moments where they speak their minds. The majority of analysts are former NBA players who played in the 80s-90s and some in the 2000s. They would rather say that MJ is the greatest cuz they played against him rather than giving Kobe that h
...that honor. Wouldnt u give the nod to someone who has played in ur era over someone else? When I said ESPN is biased, I was referring to the analysts...not people like John Anderson or Steve Levey.
Kobe is also approaching Jordan in terms of his impact on the game. Hes winning over many of the NBA arenas and rapidly increasing his popularity overseas...He is almost as big as Yao Ming in the largest country in the world. Its just a matter of time...
And you are still making no sense. Lots of players played in Jordan's era. Anyone who played in that era could say anyone from that era is GOAT, not just Jordan. And no, Kobe is not approaching MJ's impact on the game. Not even close actually.
the majority of the analysts ARE from the 80s and 90s (the era in which jordan played)...i only added the 2000s cuz i remembered jalen rose and i think mashburn (although the majority of their careers were played in the 90s). It is agreed that Jordan is the best of that era and Kobe is the best of his. Why would any analyst pick anyone else? No one was close to MJ in the 80s and 90s.
Wrong, once again. They are analysts who played pre-80s, who played in this century, who never played, who only coached, etc. And once again, plenty of the analysts played against BOTH Kobe and Jordan. Yet you continue to provide ZERO evidence that ESPN as an entity or any of its analysts are biased. Playing in the 80s or 90s does not make one biased. Even if an analyst DID play in Jordan's era, it may give them further insight into MJ's superiroity over Kobe.
So once again, you have no point. If anything, ESPN is going to be biased toward current players and the game in order to boost their ratings and sell advertising. It makes no sense to be biased toward the past when you are BUSINESS like ESPN. So your point their is moot. And you have provided ZERO evidence that ANY analysts are biased TOWARD MJ. So you have no point. If anything, it seems like YOU are biased, since you have provided NO evidence to support your opinion.
i love how half of ur posts are always things like, "your point is moot" ... "you have zero evidence" and so on. And its also funny how u ignore portions of my posts and then say that im not making any sense. ESPN would receive endorsements whether they hyped up players or not since they are the largest network in the business. And as for my post on Kobes impact on the game...all u did was reject it without providing any defense (and thats something a grade schooler can do).
The evidence that Jordan is better than Kobe: better stats, more accomplishments, honors, mvps, finals mvps, clutch performances, playoff performance, records, rings, and impact on the game, all in first 13 years. You claim ESPN is biased, which in and of itself is irrelevant. Yet you provided ZERO evidence of this bias, of ESPN as an entity or any of it's analyst. Thus, you have no point and your claim is completely dead. Sorry kid, try again, come stronger. Jordan GOAT.
And let's be clear, even self avowed HUGE Kobe fans, who are obviously not biased against Kobe, like Jemele Hill, and Mark Jackson voted Jordan a better SG. EVERY single one of the experts voted Jordan a better SG than Kobe! lol. So, once again, your point is moot. It's not bias, it's just REALITY.
Sometimes i wonder...is there a human on the other side talkin to me? Cuz ur recycled statements are making me think that im talkin to some kind of robot. You have yet to prove how kobe is not impacting the game. All u do is reject the idea. Can't expect much more from a robot though.
No, accolades is the same as honors. Of course there's a human here, one grounded in REALITY. You have yet to prove to ME that Kobe's impact is as great as MJ's, which is proven. FYI, I never said Kobe is not impacting the game. So once again, you have provided ZERO evidence for your original assertion that ESPN or it's analysts are biased toward Jordan, thus, your proposition fails. Jordan GOAT.
I only said accolades because I'm too used to seeing ur gay posts on every video I watch. Its on the 'utfanatic's overused and butchered words' list. Plus, I never said Kobe has impacted the game as much Jordan...I said he was approaching Jordan in that category. I'll give in to ur notion that ESPN isn't biased towards MJ. I realized that as soon as I posted it but I wanted to see if I can actually debate the other side.
The greatest of all time is not necessarily the person with the most accomplishments. Of course, the GOAT has to be a winner at heart. But, he also has to be the best in terms of skill. And I actually think Kobe is more skilled than Jordan ever was. Considering the number of bad shots Kobe took in the early part of his career, its amazing that he's at 45%. Even if Jordan averaged 50%, that means he made 1 more shot per 20 attempts..which is not that big of a deal if u put thinks in perspective.
Well of course it's not just accomplishments, as I already mentioned multiple times, to determine GOAT, you look at EVERYTHING: stats, accomplishments, honors, mvps, finals mvps, playoff performance, clutch performance, records, rings, and imact on the game. Kobe is an all time great, but MJ beats him in EVERY one of those categories, including through first 13 years in the league only.
the majority of ur criteria falls under accomplishments...however, skill is absent. Of course MJ beats kobe in all of those categories in his first 13 years. Kobe spent his first 2-3 years coming off the bench. And a few more years under Shaqs shadow. I hope you dont think he was playing at his full potential back in those days.
No, accomplishments are things like All league, and All Defense teams made. Skill is reflected in the other criteria, being objectively unable to measure on its own, and subject to pure opinion.
Kobe only spent his first 2 years coming off the bench, and that was for a reason. But even if you only compare everything from ages 21+, when Jordan entered the league, Jordan still beats Kobe in EVERYTHING. In the playoffs, where greatness is truly measured and created, MJ beats Kobe in EVERY stat, even 3PT%. Kobe is an all time great, but it's really goofy to try to put him on MJ's level.
Kobe's PER since Shaq left is 25.2. That's right on par with Jordan's ROOKIE season! lol. Since Shaq left, Kobe's cumulative stats can be reflected in his PER score since that point. It still falls WOEFULLY short of MJ's career PER. Kobe's average PER of 25 since Shaq left was bettered by MJ in 12 seasons! And playing with Kobe benefitted Kobe in giving him more open looks off the doubles and triples that Shaq drew. Kobe also had the opportunity for more assists under Shaq
If Kobe is more skilled than MJ, he certainly hasn't demonstrated it on the court. I think Kobe is a better 3PT shooter, but that's it. 50% is 11% better than 45%. 50-45=5. 5/45=1/9=11%. So MJ put the ball in the hoop 11% better than Kobe. Assuming 1500 shots per year, a player shooting 50% will make 75 more shots than a player shooting 45%. That can make a big difference. PLUS, Jordan shot more than Kobe, and shot better. That is incredibly hard to do, increase volume AND efficiency. GOAT
You can look at it either way u want. On a game to game level, 1 more make per 20 attempts seems negligible. But, when u magnify it, you can make any number seem significant. How about we declare a stalemate on this one...
11% is a signficant difference. The difference between what Kobe shoots and what MJ shoots (50% compared to 45%) is the same as comparing Kobe's 45% to a 40% shooter! lol. That's a HUGE difference actually, considering how close most players in the league are in FG%.
the difference is actually near 4%, not 5. if you consider the selection of shots (kobes full-range and jordans midrange). that 4% is actually not much of a factor.
The difference between shooting 50 and 45% from the field is 11%. 50-45=5/45=11%. That's a HUGE difference when comparing FG%. It's the same difference as Kobe at 45% shooting better than a guy shooting just under 41%! lol. If you were comparing Kobe at 45% and some guy who shot just under 41% you would acknowledge it is a big difference. It is. It's a HUGE difference.
once again...you have to consider the types of shots that were taken...that 4-5% would be huge if the players were wide open 100% of the time..not when ur a perimeter player with 2-3 people guarding u...and dude...u dont have to post the arithmetic on every message...
Stalemate on what? There's really no debating that Jordan was better than Kobe, he simply was. I watched his whole career, and have watched Kobe's too. All the available objective criteria support this opinion. Jordan GOAT.
oh dont ever mention hollinger stats again (or whoever created PER)...of course Kobe's percentage is lower...MJ was all about the midrange and close range. Kobe works the whole court...longer shots usually implies a lower shooting percentage (unless your unguarded at the line of course). Also, having shaq early on in kobes career didnt help him as much as u think. kobe was an interior player early on too...and shaq cloggin up the lane and drawing defenders down there didnt really make it easier.
Of course I'll mention PER, it's the best method for cumulating and comparing stats. It's much smarter to take higher % shots. The point of the game is to put the ball in the hoop and get the best shot possible, not to shoot from as far as possible. Yet in the playoffs, Jordan even shoots better from 3 than Kobe! Jordan also had mutliple seasons shooting better than 35% from 3pt land, topping out at .427.
What are you saying makes no sense. If what you are saying is true, than that makes Kobe an idiot. Be a perimeter player when Shaq is gone, but be an interior player with Shaq there? huh? lol. you make no sense. Plus, Phil Jackson would not have allowed Kobe to be that dumb. Kobe has always been a SG, a perimter player. No excuses.
it makes plenty of sense. Kobe always had a perimeter game. But, back in the day (before and even after the knee surgeries), Kobe had the ability to drive in the lane and score on the best of em. He still does...But, recently hes settling on shooting from the perimeter more because of his age. If he went in the lane 40% of the time back then...hes probably doin 20% right now. Dont get me wrong...he was always a perimeter player. But, his interior game was huge back then (more than now obviously)
Kobe has the ability to drive the lane today and does it plenty. He actually started driving MORE after Shaq left, and his FTA per game went up. The more you drive, the more you get fouled. KB's FTA in 04-05, 05-06, 06-07, and 07-08 were higher than ANY year under Shaq, so once again, the evidence contradicts your opinion!!!
no...kobe just became more aggressive offensively since he was the sole leader of the team, not just when it came to driving to the basket...that evidence doesnt contradict anything.
Yes, the evidence contradicts what you are saying. Kobe has become more aggressive offensively since Shaq left. Kobe drives the ball more now, showing that he has the ability and the desire to do so. He was not more of an interior player under Shaq. The evidence contradicts you and you have provided no evidence to support your opinion.
Kobe actually posts up much more now than he did under Shaq. Plus, it's often easier to drive with another big man on your team to take the opposing center a bit out of the lane. Any time Kobe would drive with Shaq it was a play or an option out of the triangle and Shaq laid plenty of assists while blocking his man out from Kobe. Its not like Shaq was standing in the middle of the lane. He couldn't! 3 seconds in the lane penalty
Yeah...but bringing extra defenders into the lane would make things more difficult. If there are more bodies in the vacinity, the time it takes to collapse into the lane decreases which makes it easier to defend the basket.
That's the whole point, Shaq as I just mentioned, was standing in the lane, if Kobe was going to drive, Shaq knew it was an option or a called play, and drew his man away from the center of the lane or blocked him off from Kobe while Kobe was driving. So once again, you are making on sense.
Yes, I have. My opinion is fully supported by the FACT that MJ has better stats than Kobe, more accomplishments, honors, mvps, finals mvps, clutch performances, playoff performances, records, rings, and impact on the game. All indications and evidence that Jordan was greater than Kobe.
but ur saying that as if kobe is finished with his career...u dont compare a finished product to a work in progress...thats just idiotic and doesnt mean anything. 'Therefore, ur point is moot'.
No, I never said Kobe is finished with his career. I mentioned earlier "through first 13 seasons" as well as "from ages 21+". When comparing apples to apples, Jordan wins, simple as that. As great as Kobe is, he simply isn't as good as Jordan was.
If kobe was picked first or second in the draft...he wouldve been placed on a crappy team (just like jordan). He wouldve played up to his full potential and would have had better stats. Jordan and LeBron both started off on crappy teams and had to carry a larger load early on. Thats why their stats are higher. But, that means absolutely nothing
@redtrain8 Kobe does amazing shit to every team. He does not discriminate based on what jersey the other team wears.
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ADHDadditiv 5 months ago
Turiaf*
sonicskills123 6 months ago
LOL at 0:52 turif Rage quits HAHAHAHAHA
sonicskills123 6 months ago
everybody HAS to see, turiaf after kobe's dunk @0:52 . priceless
yourfan24 6 months ago in playlist Sports 4
@redtrain8 what about the 62 against mavs and 61 at MSG ..
myri0191 6 months ago
@redtrain8 Remember the two air balls against them in his rookie season? You know Kobe doesn't forget anything. He probably sees red whenever he plays Utah.
kobe1128 7 months ago
Ahh... kobe in his prime.. imagine if he actually had a team
TUBESTEAKNIG 7 months ago 2
@redtrain8
just like mj. yet another comparison between the two, haha
wafrhest 7 months ago
goat point dot dot period comma mike won his 6 ring on utah kobe eliminates them every year
MrPunisha08 7 months ago
It's crazy cuz Kobe could have 3-4 mvps & 7 rings. But 1 MVP & 5 rings isn't bad either.
jkang24 7 months ago
redtrain8 its cuz hes making up for those airballs he shot in his rookie season there
jeshua1996 8 months ago
check ronnys reaction on kobes dunk at 0:52...
blo0dsh0t420 8 months ago
Why not let him ball hog if he can do that shit? smh...
sageof209506 8 months ago 2
I miss Ronny Turiaf...
DonCorleone87 8 months ago
Only Kobe fucking Bryant can do such a thing
MrSexyMoe 9 months ago 2
30 in a quarter?!
JohnNguyenFTW 9 months ago
the best player in the league!!!
jhuztin2129 10 months ago
I am not saying Kobe is better than Jordan, but Kobe makes the toughest shots in the history of the nba and nobody makes it look easier at times.
BlackMambaShark 11 months ago
@BlackMambaShark Exactly, incredible how he gets that shots to go...when Kobe scores high figures, its usually off really tough jumpers and 3s.... what a hero...
M27Dwade 8 months ago
Hahaha Jerry Sloan at 2:28 - " What the fuck? "
ignorantarsehole13 11 months ago
kobe should hav 3 mvp's right now.
deathklok96 1 year ago
@deathklok96 i know right, what did lebron did for his team lol
chung0730 1 year ago
how the fuck did kobe not get mvp that year + the 81 points
sgtcartman16 1 year ago
Jerry SLoan is like....i really hope he doesnt get a good team....hahaha and Kobe ends up getting a good team and shitting on the Jazz 3 years in a row!
8MunchenBayern8 1 year ago
So how many points did he end up getting this game? He always ends up doing the Jazz Knicks and Suns ddduurrrttyyy.
zeroclod 1 year ago
just dickin em down
theblackmanOyeah 1 year ago
imagine if kobe had them young ass legs wtih this lakers team WOW. and damn kobe was fucking huge back then dropped to 200 now
RTR9 1 year ago
lol turiaf at 0:52
junkboy12345 1 year ago 3
@junkboy12345 hahaha i noticed that too! way too funny
ElBrillante4 1 year ago
If NBA superstars say he is unstoppable then i think us normal guys have no chance at ever stoping him
darren1johnson2 2 years ago
but the jazz are a good team...
The lakers just out shine them with kobes skill level
Andres247ish 2 years ago
didnt know Kobe had #24 when he did this
24Legit24 2 years ago
feel bad for sloan, first MJ and now Kobe, torched everytime.
ip916a4bb 2 years ago 28
future lebron
GO CAVS!
ayatollahrocknroll45 2 years ago
@ayatollahrocknroll45
sorry but ur cavs are screwed. maybe jump on the heat bandwagon
theblackmanOyeah 1 year ago
@ip916a4bb and both players had phil jackson as coach.... lol
brasilianmagic 1 year ago
lol jerry sloans like fuck why cant he retire he fucks us everytime lolllll
1heblackmamba 2 years ago 2
ronny turiaf b while en on da bench
JadenDakwa10 2 years ago 4
lol look at Ronny Turiaf at 0:53 , top right corner
2pacb4death 2 years ago 7
this isn't a real game. this is a screencast of the video game NBA Jam when you get "on fire" and don't miss shots. please review your vid before posting.
theartwarrior 2 years ago 2
you just a fucking hater
morgulkahn 2 years ago
haha, hilarious. kobe plays like a machine!
skinnyvin 2 years ago
2:08 ho ho ho ho ho...
do7mike23 2 years ago
how much did kobe end up scoring?
heyitsjv 2 years ago
I love that third shot (the dunk over Okur)
JayTheSex 2 years ago
what's GOAT?
KINGBAAH 2 years ago
Greatest of all time
JayTheSex 2 years ago
thnx
KINGBAAH 2 years ago
yo that move at 1:45 is like the move jordan pulled on larry bird back in the day..that was beast..
Dqson 2 years ago
HHAHAHA after that sick dunk @ 50 look at the bench I think its Turiaf. HAHAHA
timjr5000 2 years ago
ahh i miss ronny
TREVorNOTHING 2 years ago
the dunk over two defenders is sickkkkk ...
myri0191 3 years ago
Serving up a FACIAL
Promatheos 3 years ago
roflmao ronny trowing his towel down after kobe's dunk 0:52
quatroformaggio 3 years ago 2
unstoppable
junaidkb24 3 years ago
Lamao @ Ronny after kobe's dunk 0:52
outlaws001 3 years ago 2
kobes the best
krillengohan 3 years ago 2
SIMPLY THE BEST
Salva46 3 years ago 4
u kno something good is happening when jack stands up
bonafide567 3 years ago
Jerry Sloan beleives in miracles after that. Just look at his face.
jvelez51793 3 years ago 2
3 pt fg% is a big deal
clutchshooter1 3 years ago
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Sure it is, but so is everything else. Jordan beats KB in literally every aspect of ball possible save for 3PT shooting.
utfanatic2000 3 years ago
hey utfanatic2000 so would u say that jordan is by far the greatest player to ever play the game of basketball, but kobe is the closest?
MaxHuang24 3 years ago 3
Hey man, good question. I think Kobe is an all time great, top 15-20, but there is no way you can reasonably say, viewing everything objectively, that Kobe is the #2 player all time. Kobe may be the closest to Jordan SINCE Jordan retired though....
utfanatic2000 3 years ago
he scored 52 in JUST 3 QUARTERS!!!!!!!!! there are other games where he drops at least 50 in 3.
joebudden562 4 years ago
joe you forgot how he scored 62 in 3 quarters
outscoring the "defensive" dallas mavericks by himself
karma187x3 3 years ago 3
wade doesn't shoot better than kobe! wade is a slasher not a shooter! kobe is probably the best off the dribble shooter in the NBA!
dunkonu123 4 years ago 2
The look on Sloan's face at 2:29 is priceless LOL
kububeach 4 years ago
hes like, "who the freak is this guy?"
RollandLee 3 years ago 2
men jordan averaged about 23 points only in this era when he was in washington and that proved that players today is better i think durant can even kick his ass and school him in any day
EricaJEMmahalkita 4 years ago
yea i think it may be had something to do with him being 40 plus years old u dumb motherfucker
mankSandhu 4 years ago
THIS
EricaJEMmahalkita GUY MUST BE LIKE 12 YEARS OLD.
NEVER GOT A CHANCE TO JORDAN IN HIS HEY-DAY.
JORDAN WOULD DROP 100+ WITH THE RULES TODAY.
HE ALREADY SET THE RECORD BY BEING THE OLDEST PLAYER EVER TO DROP 50+. REMEMBER KOBE IDOLIZED JORDAN FROM THE WAY HE WALKED, TO PLAYED, CONDUCTED INTERVIEWS, AND EVENT EHWAY HE CHEWED HIS GUM. LOOKS TO ME WHEN KOBE ISNT RIDING THE DIESEL HE CAN'T EVEN MAKE IT OUT OF THE FIRST ROUND. AS FOR SHAQ HE ALREADY HAS A RINGS (4). SHAQ HAS THREE FINALS MVP'S
crasie671 4 years ago
last time i checked shaq ride kobe and wade for theses rings funny thing shaq got his championships from other players success
liljfreestylepro 4 years ago 2
i think kobe can even make his signature reverse layup with 100 defenders guarding him jordan sucks
EricaJEMmahalkita 4 years ago
i have nothing against kobe hes one of my favs but show respect for jordan and stop sucking kobes dick i mean i bet if u saw him in real life ud start kissing his ass right away i mean get a fucking life
mankSandhu 4 years ago
i think kobe can even make a fadeaway shot from the back court with five defenders guarding him men hist just dat strong jordan sucks
EricaJEMmahalkita 4 years ago
with the moves kobe has i dont think jordan has those moves i mean kobe is very graceful and balanced i mean men just watched kobes game i think he can do almost anything if u let them play 1 on 1 i think kobe could own that sucker in every aspect of the game jordan vs kobe 1 on 1 man man jordan no chance
EricaJEMmahalkita 4 years ago
i like how all 5 jazz players on that second dunk go after him its like it was 5 on 1
chitownkidd33 4 years ago
why does eveyone bring up kobe's stats? is it that hard to see that kobe is a player that is not defined by stats? everyone in the league calls him the greatest and im pretty sre they don't give a damn that he might go 16 for 47 from the field, cuz those 16 shots are probably when the lakers need them the most.
sean21bell10 4 years ago
nicely said
kevin0815 4 years ago
oscar isnt even on the top 50 greatest players list so...... and he's good isnt he so stats lie and it only counts on how the players play like kobe
koolfool1 4 years ago
I BELIEVE I JUST SAW KOBE SCORE 30 IN ONE QUARTER AGAIN. MOST PLAYERS CANT GET 30 IN A FULL GAME, HE dOES IT IN ONE. WOW. WHY DO PEOPLE SAY WADE AND LEBRON ARE BETTER? MAKES NO SENSE. EVERYTHING THEY DO HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE BY KOBE.
Thuggishdeer 4 years ago
Because basing greatness on a single quarter of play in a regular season game is pretty dumb.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
UMM. HE dID THIS SEVERAL TIMES, ITS NOT LIKE IT WAS A FLUKE OR LUCKY! PEOPLE BASED LEBRONS GAME 5 VS PISTONS, ON GREATNESS. THAT IS DUMB!
Thuggishdeer 4 years ago
ummm...no, a playoff game in the conf championship is FAR more important than any random regular season game.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
IF THATS SO. THAN I BELIEVE, KOBE SCORING 50 POINTS IN THE PLAYOFFS IN 4 QUARTERS IS BETTER THAN 48 POINTS IN 2 oVERTIMES. GET OUTTA HEA!
Thuggishdeer 4 years ago
Kobe scored 50 in the playoffs, which was great and his only time. How many does Jordan have? That's right 8 in the playoffs and the only person in history to get 50 in back to back games in the playoffs. First round doesn't mean as much as finals though...
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
THEIR YOU GO AGAIN. BRINGING UP JORDAN. I NEVER COMPARED KOBE TO hIM IDIOT. DAMN. UR A JORDAN ASS KISSER, DO YOU LIVE IN CHICAGO? ARE YOU A FAN OF THE BULLS? IF NOT WHY BOTHER? WHY DONT YOU TELL ME WHO IS yOUR FAVORITE PLAYER... TODAY! NOT 15 YEARS AGO.
Thuggishdeer 4 years ago
Don't live in Chicago, never have. Not a bulls fan either. the only reason I'm here kid is to educated Kobe fans who think he can be compared to Jordan. Favorite players today: Duncan, Nash, Baron Davis, Josh Howard.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
AND ALL IM DOING HERE IS TO EDUCATE KOBE HATERS, AND IDIOTS, BUT IM NOT GOING TO SAY KOBE IS BETTER THAN JORDAN, HE IS BETTER THAN WADE LEBRON ETC... I JUST FEEL SORRY FOR YOU BECAUSE JORDAN IS RETIRED aND NOW YOU HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO THAN THIS!
Thuggishdeer 4 years ago
I agree, as of now, Kobe is better than Lebron and Wade, but as of the same age, Lebron was better. Kid, i watch the nba every season almost constantly. I love ball. I'm just not an idiot, so I realize Jordan is quite a bit better than anyone currently playing.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
OK... LEBRON BETTER AS OF AGE! REMEMBER, KOBE aT LEBRONS AGE, WAS MAKING GAME WINNERS, AND TAKING OVER GAMES AND HE WASNT AFRAID. I KNOW YOU MIGHT DISAGREE BUT AS FAR AS KOBE AND LEBRON GO, LEBRON ISNT A VERY GOOD SHOOTER. HE HASNT HAD A RING YET. RIGHT ABOUT NOW ... UMMM. YEAH RIGHT ABOUT NOW AT LEBRONS AGE KOBE WILL BE WINNING HIS SECOND RING.
Thuggishdeer 4 years ago
Lebron has made plenty of game winners too and actually set a record by scoring 25 pts in a row, in a conf finals against a great defensive team that had shut Kobe and the lakers down both games this season. Give LB his props. he is phenomenal for his age and great for any age. Kobe is better individually, Lebron is a better team player.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
Lebron isn't that great of an outside shooter, but he is adequate, and still is better at getting to the hole than Kobe is and shoots a higher % from the field, which is the point. The object isn't to shoot from outside, but to put the ball in the hoop.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
At Lebron's age, Kobe was playing with Shaq who drew a ton of attention away and made the game a LOT easier for Kobe. Lebron doesn't have that and is the focus of attention every time down for opps. Kobe had bad finals series too at Lebron's age. Both Kobe and LB have yet to lead a rteam to a ring. Both are great.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
REMEMBER. SHAQ DIDNT WANT KOBE TO BE THE VOCAL POINT OF THE TEAM HIS FIRST 3 YEARS, BECAUSE SHAQ WANTED TO BE THE LEADER. NOW THAT SHAQ IS IN MIAMI HE LETS WADE BE THE LEADER... THATS BULL SHIT! SHAQ WAS hOLDING KOBE BACK AND NOW HE BECOMES A BITCH SIDEKICK. IMAGINE THAT. WELL iF SHAQ HAD ENOUGH SENSE TO DO THAT 10 YEARS AGO HE WOULD HAVE 6 RINGS.
Thuggishdeer 4 years ago
Well that, and the fact that Kobe wasn't even starting when he joined the lakers. He wasn't ready to be a team leader. Shaq knew his limits and he knew against detroit in 04 he was dominating inside and that he needed the ball even more. Phil agreed. Kobe didn't. We know what happened....So we see that shaq shouldn't have deferred to Kobe bc Kobe couldn't deliver as team leader with that lakers squad.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
I RESPECT UR COMMENTS BUT U HAVE TO ADMIT thE O4 SEASON WAS A FLUKE. I MEAN, KARL MALONE GOT INJURED IN GAME 2, AND SLAVA MEDVEDENKO WAS THE REPLACEMENT!
Thuggishdeer 4 years ago
The thing is, even without payton or malone, the lakers still should have won. They were very heavy favorites. You can't really consider it a fluke that they lost considering Kobe and Shaq couldn't even make the finals in 03 together....
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
And no, Lebron and Wade have done things Kobe hasn't. Wade has put up a much better finals series than Kobe ever has, and in only one try, and Lebron has put up better rebound and assist numbers.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
YEAH, WHATEVER, KOBE HAS 3 CHAMPIONSHIPS, SLAM DUNK CHAMPIONSHIPS, SOMETHING WADE AND LEBRON DONT HAVE AND COULDNT dO. THANK YOU GOOD NIGHT!
Thuggishdeer 4 years ago
Kobe has 3 rings....but never one as a leader of the team, hence 0 finals mvps. Wade already has 1, in 1 try and already has a better finals performance in one try than Kobe has in 4 tries. Nothing is more important than finals performances, certainly not slam dunk titles. lol
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
HEY HEY HEY. DID I ASK FOR A HISTORY LESSON. HE WON THE RINGS AS PART OF A DOMINANT DUO. HE CREATED PLAYS FOR SHAQ UNDER THE RIM ALL THE TIME, wHICH LEAD TO EASY DUNKS, AND LOTS OF POINTS, AND SINCE PLAYOFF MVPs ARE BASED ON POINTS SHAQ GOT THE CREDIT. WHAT IS THAT LAKER TEAM WITHOUT KOBE HITTING THE BIG sHOTS? NOTHING. 3 RINGS 3 RINGS 3 333 3 333 3 33 . HAA HHAH WHAT WOULD THAT MIAMI HEAT TEAM BE WITHOUT SHAQ, NOTHING BUT A TRAVESTY.
Thuggishdeer 4 years ago
And Kobe lost a ring as part of a dominant team with 4 hall of famers. Shaq proved Kobe was easily replaceable...with Wade, who performed better in the playoffs than Kobe ever has. That's why Wade has a finals mvp, Kobe has....exactly zero. Wade 1 for 1. Kobe 0 for 4.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
NO! SHAQ PROVED HE ISNT AS DOMINANT AS HE USED TO BE WHEN HE WAS WITH KB. WHEN HE WAS THAT DOMINANT, WHEN YOU PASS HIM THE BALL IN THE PAINT ITS ALMOST A GUARANTEED DUNK. KOBE DIDNT HAVE TO BE DOMINANT. BECAUSE HE KNEW THAT HIS TIME TO TAKE OVER IS AT THE END OF GAMES. WHO THE FUCK sAID DRAWING FOULS AND FLOPPING MAKES A GREAT PLAYER, WADE sHOOTS FROM THE LINE KOBE SHOOTS FROM THE FIELD. THE RESULT IS... KOBE 3 P3AT, WADE SWEEP. THAT MADE SHAQ VERY ANGRY!
Thuggishdeer 4 years ago
lol, well no shit he isn't as dominant, he ages like all humans do. Still, he has the 2nd highest PER in history behind Jordan at 27.6. Kobe is way down at 23.5. Kobe is great...individually, don't get me wrong, he just isn't a great team player and can't be compared to Mike.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
once again you BRING UP JORDAN, WHO HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TODAY, SHAQ HAS A HIGH FIELD GOAL PERCENTAGE BECAUSE... HES A CENTER. NOW WEAR ARE CENTERS AGAIN, OOH YEAH IN THE PAINT UNDER THE RIM. HOW HARD IS IT TO DUNK AND LAYUP COMPARED TO THREE POINTERS AND JUMP SHOTS... IDIOT.
Thuggishdeer 4 years ago
Look kid, I've been posting about Jordan on here for a LONG time, I'm sorry you are late to the conversation. I don't give a crap about Wade or Lebron or Kobe...none of them approach Jordan. And I didn't bring up FG% dumbfuck, I brought up PER, player efficiency ranking.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
Seriously are you that dumb? I didn't even bring up FG% dumbfuck, but since you did: Kobe career .453, 0 seasons above 50%, top season .469. Jordan career .497, 6 seasons above 50%, top season .539. Not even comparable...
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
Actually, Wade shoots better from the field than Kobe does....
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
wade doesn't shoot better than kobe! wade is a slasher not a shooter! kobe is probably the best off the dribble shooter in the NBA!
dunkonu123 4 years ago 2
Wade makes a higher % of shots than Kobe, from the same position. However he does it, he is more effective at putting the ball in the hoop.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
ufanatic2000 happens to be Micheal Jordan's sex slave so when he puts forth an absurd posit completely devoid of logic, just ignore him because its hard to think logically with a dick in your mouth. Alas, the jealous ones still envy; the thing that truly makes utfanatic2000 pathetic is the fact that he firmly believes that the quantification of ones play transcends the ineffability of individual brilliance. hahaha, "fg %" lol i suppose wilt's the greatest then right? Ur a fuckin idiot...silencio
atlzfinest4life 3 years ago
Sorry kidd, nothing you can EVER say or do changes the fact that Jordan beats Kobe in stats, accomplishments, accolades, honors, records, rings, and impact on the game. ESPN polled 20 basketball experts recently who ALL agreed MJ was the best SG ever, better than Kobe. MJ and Kobe play the same position dumbfuck, and not only does MJ beat Kobe FG%, but effective FG%, pts, rebs, ass, stls, blocks, lol. Everything but 3PT%. REALITY kid. FACE it.
utfanatic2000 3 years ago
SHUT UP! THEY'RE DIFFERENT PEOPLE
RollandLee 3 years ago
jordan is the best and no one will get close to him not kobe and not lebron.
kb24lakersfan 3 years ago
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Good post. Kind of surprising considering your username, but you seem like an educated fan.
utfanatic2000 3 years ago
You and the other guy are uneducated. No one ever said that Kobe's trying to be like Jordan. Kobe and Lebron are making their own name. They play in different eras and rules and officiating has changed. Kobe is a better jump shooter than both Jordan and Lebron. Lebron is a better finisher than Kobe and Jordan. And Jordan is the best off the Dribble and scoring. They play differently, you can't compare them. Yes, Michael Jordan will always be considered the best because he was the first to do it.
tony86482 3 years ago 2
ohh espn...thats not a biased source.
quickeH 2 years ago
Biased toward what? If anything, ESPN is biased toward CURRENT players in order to boost their sales and hype them up. Espn has no incentive to boost past players. Think.
utfanatic2000 2 years ago
ESPN doesn't 'boost sales' for anybody. If ESPN said that LeBron is the best in the league, i wouldnt fly to ohio to watch a game. Most people who watch espn are fans who are waiting for their sport or team highlights. People who dont follow sports dont watch espn, which means that ESPN doesnt drag in new 'customers'. It might help drag in people who watch other sports though (insig. #)
Hype is primarily for upcoming stars/players. Once you're proven (like Kobe), hype doesnt mean a thing.
quickeH 2 years ago
Of course ESPN boosts players, they are in the business of promoting sports, and have marketing deals with Adidas, Nike, etc., so have every incentive to hype current stars. Conversely, Espn has ZERO incentive for bias toward retired stars. Thus, your point is completely moot and irrelevant. Really, you had no point. You said ESPN was biased...toward what? Jordan? Jordan is retired, ESPN has no incentive whatsoever to be biased toward him or any other past star. Think.
utfanatic2000 2 years ago
ESPN is the largest sports broadcasting network in the US. Adidas, Nike, and other companies would be stupid if they endorsed anyone else (whether they hype up players or not).
Although the analysts usually say what ESPN wants them to, they do have genuine moments where they speak their minds. The majority of analysts are former NBA players who played in the 80s-90s and some in the 2000s. They would rather say that MJ is the greatest cuz they played against him rather than giving Kobe that h
quickeH 2 years ago
...that honor. Wouldnt u give the nod to someone who has played in ur era over someone else? When I said ESPN is biased, I was referring to the analysts...not people like John Anderson or Steve Levey.
Kobe is also approaching Jordan in terms of his impact on the game. Hes winning over many of the NBA arenas and rapidly increasing his popularity overseas...He is almost as big as Yao Ming in the largest country in the world. Its just a matter of time...
quickeH 2 years ago
And you are still making no sense. Lots of players played in Jordan's era. Anyone who played in that era could say anyone from that era is GOAT, not just Jordan. And no, Kobe is not approaching MJ's impact on the game. Not even close actually.
utfanatic2000 2 years ago
the majority of the analysts ARE from the 80s and 90s (the era in which jordan played)...i only added the 2000s cuz i remembered jalen rose and i think mashburn (although the majority of their careers were played in the 90s). It is agreed that Jordan is the best of that era and Kobe is the best of his. Why would any analyst pick anyone else? No one was close to MJ in the 80s and 90s.
quickeH 2 years ago
Wrong, once again. They are analysts who played pre-80s, who played in this century, who never played, who only coached, etc. And once again, plenty of the analysts played against BOTH Kobe and Jordan. Yet you continue to provide ZERO evidence that ESPN as an entity or any of its analysts are biased. Playing in the 80s or 90s does not make one biased. Even if an analyst DID play in Jordan's era, it may give them further insight into MJ's superiroity over Kobe.
utfanatic2000 2 years ago
So once again, you have no point. If anything, ESPN is going to be biased toward current players and the game in order to boost their ratings and sell advertising. It makes no sense to be biased toward the past when you are BUSINESS like ESPN. So your point their is moot. And you have provided ZERO evidence that ANY analysts are biased TOWARD MJ. So you have no point. If anything, it seems like YOU are biased, since you have provided NO evidence to support your opinion.
utfanatic2000 2 years ago
i love how half of ur posts are always things like, "your point is moot" ... "you have zero evidence" and so on. And its also funny how u ignore portions of my posts and then say that im not making any sense. ESPN would receive endorsements whether they hyped up players or not since they are the largest network in the business. And as for my post on Kobes impact on the game...all u did was reject it without providing any defense (and thats something a grade schooler can do).
quickeH 2 years ago
u also backed that up with "Not even close actually" ... as if that helped prove ur point more.
quickeH 2 years ago
The evidence that Jordan is better than Kobe: better stats, more accomplishments, honors, mvps, finals mvps, clutch performances, playoff performance, records, rings, and impact on the game, all in first 13 years. You claim ESPN is biased, which in and of itself is irrelevant. Yet you provided ZERO evidence of this bias, of ESPN as an entity or any of it's analyst. Thus, you have no point and your claim is completely dead. Sorry kid, try again, come stronger. Jordan GOAT.
utfanatic2000 2 years ago
And let's be clear, even self avowed HUGE Kobe fans, who are obviously not biased against Kobe, like Jemele Hill, and Mark Jackson voted Jordan a better SG. EVERY single one of the experts voted Jordan a better SG than Kobe! lol. So, once again, your point is moot. It's not bias, it's just REALITY.
utfanatic2000 2 years ago
You forgot accolades...
Sometimes i wonder...is there a human on the other side talkin to me? Cuz ur recycled statements are making me think that im talkin to some kind of robot. You have yet to prove how kobe is not impacting the game. All u do is reject the idea. Can't expect much more from a robot though.
quickeH 2 years ago
No, accolades is the same as honors. Of course there's a human here, one grounded in REALITY. You have yet to prove to ME that Kobe's impact is as great as MJ's, which is proven. FYI, I never said Kobe is not impacting the game. So once again, you have provided ZERO evidence for your original assertion that ESPN or it's analysts are biased toward Jordan, thus, your proposition fails. Jordan GOAT.
utfanatic2000 2 years ago
I only said accolades because I'm too used to seeing ur gay posts on every video I watch. Its on the 'utfanatic's overused and butchered words' list. Plus, I never said Kobe has impacted the game as much Jordan...I said he was approaching Jordan in that category. I'll give in to ur notion that ESPN isn't biased towards MJ. I realized that as soon as I posted it but I wanted to see if I can actually debate the other side.
quickeH 2 years ago
The greatest of all time is not necessarily the person with the most accomplishments. Of course, the GOAT has to be a winner at heart. But, he also has to be the best in terms of skill. And I actually think Kobe is more skilled than Jordan ever was. Considering the number of bad shots Kobe took in the early part of his career, its amazing that he's at 45%. Even if Jordan averaged 50%, that means he made 1 more shot per 20 attempts..which is not that big of a deal if u put thinks in perspective.
quickeH 2 years ago
things* heheh
quickeH 2 years ago
Well of course it's not just accomplishments, as I already mentioned multiple times, to determine GOAT, you look at EVERYTHING: stats, accomplishments, honors, mvps, finals mvps, playoff performance, clutch performance, records, rings, and imact on the game. Kobe is an all time great, but MJ beats him in EVERY one of those categories, including through first 13 years in the league only.
utfanatic2000 2 years ago
the majority of ur criteria falls under accomplishments...however, skill is absent. Of course MJ beats kobe in all of those categories in his first 13 years. Kobe spent his first 2-3 years coming off the bench. And a few more years under Shaqs shadow. I hope you dont think he was playing at his full potential back in those days.
quickeH 2 years ago
No, accomplishments are things like All league, and All Defense teams made. Skill is reflected in the other criteria, being objectively unable to measure on its own, and subject to pure opinion.
utfanatic2000 2 years ago
Kobe only spent his first 2 years coming off the bench, and that was for a reason. But even if you only compare everything from ages 21+, when Jordan entered the league, Jordan still beats Kobe in EVERYTHING. In the playoffs, where greatness is truly measured and created, MJ beats Kobe in EVERY stat, even 3PT%. Kobe is an all time great, but it's really goofy to try to put him on MJ's level.
utfanatic2000 2 years ago
Kobe's PER since Shaq left is 25.2. That's right on par with Jordan's ROOKIE season! lol. Since Shaq left, Kobe's cumulative stats can be reflected in his PER score since that point. It still falls WOEFULLY short of MJ's career PER. Kobe's average PER of 25 since Shaq left was bettered by MJ in 12 seasons! And playing with Kobe benefitted Kobe in giving him more open looks off the doubles and triples that Shaq drew. Kobe also had the opportunity for more assists under Shaq
utfanatic2000 2 years ago
If Kobe is more skilled than MJ, he certainly hasn't demonstrated it on the court. I think Kobe is a better 3PT shooter, but that's it. 50% is 11% better than 45%. 50-45=5. 5/45=1/9=11%. So MJ put the ball in the hoop 11% better than Kobe. Assuming 1500 shots per year, a player shooting 50% will make 75 more shots than a player shooting 45%. That can make a big difference. PLUS, Jordan shot more than Kobe, and shot better. That is incredibly hard to do, increase volume AND efficiency. GOAT
utfanatic2000 2 years ago
You can look at it either way u want. On a game to game level, 1 more make per 20 attempts seems negligible. But, when u magnify it, you can make any number seem significant. How about we declare a stalemate on this one...
quickeH 2 years ago
11% is a signficant difference. The difference between what Kobe shoots and what MJ shoots (50% compared to 45%) is the same as comparing Kobe's 45% to a 40% shooter! lol. That's a HUGE difference actually, considering how close most players in the league are in FG%.
utfanatic2000 2 years ago
the difference is actually near 4%, not 5. if you consider the selection of shots (kobes full-range and jordans midrange). that 4% is actually not much of a factor.
quickeH 2 years ago
The difference between shooting 50 and 45% from the field is 11%. 50-45=5/45=11%. That's a HUGE difference when comparing FG%. It's the same difference as Kobe at 45% shooting better than a guy shooting just under 41%! lol. If you were comparing Kobe at 45% and some guy who shot just under 41% you would acknowledge it is a big difference. It is. It's a HUGE difference.
utfanatic2000 2 years ago
once again...you have to consider the types of shots that were taken...that 4-5% would be huge if the players were wide open 100% of the time..not when ur a perimeter player with 2-3 people guarding u...and dude...u dont have to post the arithmetic on every message...
quickeH 2 years ago
Your point is completely moot. Jordan took just as many shots as Kobe if not more with guys all over him. So your point is moot.
utfanatic2000 2 years ago
Stalemate on what? There's really no debating that Jordan was better than Kobe, he simply was. I watched his whole career, and have watched Kobe's too. All the available objective criteria support this opinion. Jordan GOAT.
utfanatic2000 2 years ago
oh dont ever mention hollinger stats again (or whoever created PER)...of course Kobe's percentage is lower...MJ was all about the midrange and close range. Kobe works the whole court...longer shots usually implies a lower shooting percentage (unless your unguarded at the line of course). Also, having shaq early on in kobes career didnt help him as much as u think. kobe was an interior player early on too...and shaq cloggin up the lane and drawing defenders down there didnt really make it easier.
quickeH 2 years ago
Of course I'll mention PER, it's the best method for cumulating and comparing stats. It's much smarter to take higher % shots. The point of the game is to put the ball in the hoop and get the best shot possible, not to shoot from as far as possible. Yet in the playoffs, Jordan even shoots better from 3 than Kobe! Jordan also had mutliple seasons shooting better than 35% from 3pt land, topping out at .427.
utfanatic2000 2 years ago
What are you saying makes no sense. If what you are saying is true, than that makes Kobe an idiot. Be a perimeter player when Shaq is gone, but be an interior player with Shaq there? huh? lol. you make no sense. Plus, Phil Jackson would not have allowed Kobe to be that dumb. Kobe has always been a SG, a perimter player. No excuses.
utfanatic2000 2 years ago
it makes plenty of sense. Kobe always had a perimeter game. But, back in the day (before and even after the knee surgeries), Kobe had the ability to drive in the lane and score on the best of em. He still does...But, recently hes settling on shooting from the perimeter more because of his age. If he went in the lane 40% of the time back then...hes probably doin 20% right now. Dont get me wrong...he was always a perimeter player. But, his interior game was huge back then (more than now obviously)
quickeH 2 years ago
Kobe has the ability to drive the lane today and does it plenty. He actually started driving MORE after Shaq left, and his FTA per game went up. The more you drive, the more you get fouled. KB's FTA in 04-05, 05-06, 06-07, and 07-08 were higher than ANY year under Shaq, so once again, the evidence contradicts your opinion!!!
utfanatic2000 2 years ago
no...kobe just became more aggressive offensively since he was the sole leader of the team, not just when it came to driving to the basket...that evidence doesnt contradict anything.
quickeH 2 years ago
Yes, the evidence contradicts what you are saying. Kobe has become more aggressive offensively since Shaq left. Kobe drives the ball more now, showing that he has the ability and the desire to do so. He was not more of an interior player under Shaq. The evidence contradicts you and you have provided no evidence to support your opinion.
utfanatic2000 2 years ago
Kobe actually posts up much more now than he did under Shaq. Plus, it's often easier to drive with another big man on your team to take the opposing center a bit out of the lane. Any time Kobe would drive with Shaq it was a play or an option out of the triangle and Shaq laid plenty of assists while blocking his man out from Kobe. Its not like Shaq was standing in the middle of the lane. He couldn't! 3 seconds in the lane penalty
utfanatic2000 2 years ago
Yeah...but bringing extra defenders into the lane would make things more difficult. If there are more bodies in the vacinity, the time it takes to collapse into the lane decreases which makes it easier to defend the basket.
quickeH 2 years ago
That's the whole point, Shaq as I just mentioned, was standing in the lane, if Kobe was going to drive, Shaq knew it was an option or a called play, and drew his man away from the center of the lane or blocked him off from Kobe while Kobe was driving. So once again, you are making on sense.
utfanatic2000 2 years ago
You make no sense. Bynum is a center today with the lakers and plays inside. Yet Kobe has no problem driving. So your point is completely moot.
utfanatic2000 2 years ago
i love how u keep saying that 'i have not provided any evidence to support my claims'...but neither have u.
quickeH 2 years ago
Yes, I have. My opinion is fully supported by the FACT that MJ has better stats than Kobe, more accomplishments, honors, mvps, finals mvps, clutch performances, playoff performances, records, rings, and impact on the game. All indications and evidence that Jordan was greater than Kobe.
utfanatic2000 2 years ago
but ur saying that as if kobe is finished with his career...u dont compare a finished product to a work in progress...thats just idiotic and doesnt mean anything. 'Therefore, ur point is moot'.
quickeH 2 years ago
No, I never said Kobe is finished with his career. I mentioned earlier "through first 13 seasons" as well as "from ages 21+". When comparing apples to apples, Jordan wins, simple as that. As great as Kobe is, he simply isn't as good as Jordan was.
utfanatic2000 2 years ago
If kobe was picked first or second in the draft...he wouldve been placed on a crappy team (just like jordan). He wouldve played up to his full potential and would have had better stats. Jordan and LeBron both started off on crappy teams and had to carry a larger load early on. Thats why their stats are higher. But, that means absolutely nothing
quickeH 2 years ago
the point is...even after 21. Kobe was never the SOLE leader of the team. So he didnt reach his full potential until after shaq left.
quickeH 2 years ago