Roland MV-8800 - Long Audio Phrases Quick Tip.mov

[Jburst14]

whats the best drum machine????!?!

[hoodybeatz]

hi mike, im having the darndest time learing the timestreching process. for instance if i import a sample thats @ 119bpm and i want it down to say 95, wats are the steps i need to take? thanks bro

[TheReggiereg1]

I hope someone can help me with this. how do I create slice points with the mv 8000 without an external monitor

[TheReggiereg1]

Can this be done with the MV 8000?????

[lucaseje]

Do you have more tutorials for the mv8800

[verryrichmon]

didnt' quite catch the base not theory. just got my mv not long ago. how do you know what # to set it to? @t first i thought you had a track alredy made and set the base note to the same tempo as to what you had. but you did it the other way around and and it threw me off.

[BIGSABMUSIC]

where did you get your mv customized at ?

[stronga1999]

Hey peeps I'm a beginner on the MV8800, I just recorded a pattern in pattern mode and I'm trying to make a song out of it in song mode..I cant seem to assign my different sound patterns on the velocity pads in song mode so that I can organize my sequence. When I go to pattern list i only see one pattern which is all my sound patterns playing simultaneously...but I trying to separate the different sound patterns and assign them to each pad for song creation...PLEASE HELP.

[TheMvuser]

I think Mike already did a video on that strong. search youtube for ( mv-8000 pattern mode ).. you need to create a pattern track in the main song. also you can create a mute track in each pattern.

so copy the main pattern many times. setup your mute choices in each pattern. go to song.. select the pattern track. shift record for step mode then just hit the pads in the order you want the patterns to play. Bingo!! .. if you save project first, you can reload without a save if you mess up..

[TheMvuser]

Tested. Resampling as a sample seems to drop 68 samples at 102.90 BPM.

resample as an audio phrase drops about 38 samples. if the sample that lost 68 samples was in continuos loop mode it would creep forward in time by 0.1 BPM

every 24 Bars at 102.90 BPM. adding 68 samples of silence at the samples end should sort that out though. triggered every 4 bars as a regular loop you won't even notice it. They start right so the MV is Zero latency.

[TheMvuser]

This is a Mac Tool for calculating samples, bpm, Timestretch, Delay taps & even SMPTE timecodes. Music Math 4 .. there must be something similar for Windows somewhere. if you get a section of audio looping in the MV sample editor you can subtract the start sample loop number from the end sample loop number. then you have the total samples.

This tool will tell you the BPM of those samples. eg. it says 88200 samples at 44.1 and 4 Bars = 120BPM. it's a good by ear musical way to get close BPM.

[TheMvuser]

I think Cut does what it says. there aren't any scissors or a split audio command in the MV. as far as I have tested so far, by selecting an audio phrase part and selecting cut, the MV then cuts that selection out and shunts what's remaining to the end of the section before the song position where the cut was made. unless there is some other selections I have set which is making this happen. to get a split, I cut out one (ticks worth of audio phrase) 1/480 ppqn. then I move the part for timing.

[djmichaeltrance]

Ive been using this machine for many years and have recorded countless audio tracks on it ranging from live vocals and guitar takes to live dj sets. I have never had a problem with it cutting out audio when i do this method for simply splitting a region.

[djmichaeltrance]

Keep in mind this is designed by Japanese engineers and sometimes the translation may not always make sense to everyone. So just because it says CUT it doesnt mean it literally cuts audio out. This was something i stumbled onto and found that it worked for long audio tracks that began to drift over a period of time since the MV does not have word clock.

[djmichaeltrance]

Obviously it works because im showing it in detail on the video with instructions on how to do it.

Inserting that slice on very long audio takes acts as if you were pressing the pad to trigger again ( an EVENT ) , only not from the start but from a mid point which allows the MV to keep it in sync.

[TheMvuser]

sure Mike, I have taken a lot of tips from your knowledge of the MV. when you cut, I notice you cut at a point where a singer is not usually singing.. so you wouldn't notice audio missing there. but I am pretty sure cut does that.. I will try again and in different ways on the MV. I did test a few things and I ended up using copy & insert followed by cut.. that turned out like a virtual undo and the Audio was cut but nothing was changed. I also did - one tick cut, copy & insert = a tiny gap.

[djmichaeltrance]

Well ive done it both ways and havent had any issues typically i do seperate regions where there obviously is no audio. Im not sure what the whole point of this is now, it works and corrects any issues people have with long audio tracks such as live vocal takes drifting etc etc.

[TheMvuser]

Long audio does the same in DAW's too. if the original is metronome perfect then the MV should be able to track that perfectly without drift.. which it does.. I tested it and it was just like any regular sampler. in fact better!! the -Drift- is non matching metronome bpm sync. it usually always is that. but there is a way to get exact lock in the MV.. as long as the original audiofile is tempo precise. if you have a bpm accurate track and you cut something out then true bpm has gone too.

[TheMvuser]

Hi. ok I just tested it again. cut is cutting. the audio phrase gets shorter. so it's being removed. it shunts the audio up to the song position pointer so it looks like a split function. Erase, just removes the section. there is no dedicated split function. but you can still do everything you need by - copy & insert- untick -shift all tracks- then -cut-. that is the same as a split. it does -copy & insert- at the song position though, so don't move the SSP.

[djmichaeltrance]

Its not the same in DAW's because if your running an interface that has wordclock and the DAW itself supports word clock , smpte and all is streaming from the disk ( which is standard ) then there is no drift ( only latency is you have heavy cpu based plug-ins with no PDC within the DAW like Protools LE

[djmichaeltrance]

The MV tracks audio fine its the playback that begins to drift over long periods of time because the audio is residing in RAM and not streaming from the disk and theres no word clock. A very long audio track that has 2 or 3 verse n hook even though TEMPO PRECISE ... WILL DRIFT in the MV without a split in the region acting as a marker or reference point

[TheMvuser]

sure.. I can understand why something in RAM "could go out over long stretches" but clocks ticks and bmps and sample rates never are mathematically divisible anyhow. so those things always correct.

I don't see why Roland would badly clock in any regard though. Roland have made every kind of audio digital device going.

I'm really unsure about this drift being anything to do with the internal digital clocking. I might test a long click track recording and see.

[TheMvuser]

Hi Mike. I wonder if you could try something on th MV... Keep the part of the phrase you had selected in this example and then run 2 commands. 1- copy and insert (to single track) 2- Cut. I have an idea that this should make a split without cutting any audio out.

[djmichaeltrance]

There is NO audio being cut out. Your simply splitting 1 region into 2. In fact your not cutting anything out , its merely acting as a reference point for the MV to clock to. The audio tracks reside in RAM, thats why this works.

[TheMvuser]

Btw, if you look at the bottom right hand corner of any samples filter page,

You will see a Depth / Pitch control..

If you switch on the Filter and turn that knob up or down, the ADSR there will now

Control the Pitch of the sample or loop in response to the ADSR shape. and we are talking about an 8 stage envelope here LOL. Groove manipulation here I come.. :D

[Kmetavzar35]

how do I overcome that, because I want to hear the other sample (of the electric guitar) even if I don't start from the beginning of the loop everytime?

[djmichaeltrance]

Assign long samples such as your electric guitar to an audio phrase bank instead of a patch

[Kmetavzar35]

so, I assign a midi pad for the whole wave sample of the electric guitar, press record and play button and hold the pad on which I assigned the sample. Lets say the sample is 10 seconds long. You see the midi pad pressed on the beginning of the midi track, and then nothing for other bars up to the 10 seconds. what if I want to lay down drums from fifth second, and the midi is not triggered since the time when I pressed the midi button is at the beginning of the track.

[djmichaeltrance]

Assign long samples such as your electric guitar sample to an audio phrase instead of a patch.

[Kmetavzar35]

hi, I have a question related to recording a wave file into the MV-8800 (for example recording an electric guitar straight on to the audio track. in the pattern mode there is only on audio track, so in order to free it up, you need to change the wave file into a midi)

[miscellaneousmc]

Hi Mike, I would like to know what the audio editing is like on the Roland MV 8800. For example can I do overdubs and cut out audio clips/phrases etc. They say the MV 8800 has cubase like controls, how similar is it to using cubase?

[prophacy1000]

hey Mike, how do you record on an audio track? A line only appears for me with no sound! What am I doing wrong!

[djmichaeltrance]

When you press record on an audio track use DIRECT MODE for live mic input or anything plugged into the analog inputs or EVENT MODE for triggering audio phrases within the audio phrase bank.

[cleats1]

Hey Mike. After you make the split, does it snap to the grid to help keep it in time??

[djmichaeltrance]

Its only splitting the region , which creates a reference point for the MV. If your audio was already BPM synced nothing changes , it just keeps it from drifting over time.

[dabagman7]

yet another good video man could you do one on bpm syncing audio phase samples

[djmichaeltrance]

" One Shot Mode " its in the manual

[911beats]

is it possible when you hit the pad with a assigned sample it plays all the way through with one hit????????/

[doldrum]

Mr. Acosta thanks for your dedication to these instructions. Question, If working a remix on track with vocal and live percussion. How does bone sync this with consistant 4 on the floor beat? The track is approx 150 bars and I know its pretty long.I've called Roland help with no plausible solution. Ps I do not have vga on my beastie.... Lookin for one now. Please Help

[Kmetavzar35]

I am in my audio phrase edit mode and I turn my BPM sync on. I change the course tune to make the pitch higher. But then when I press the chop function it doesn't acknowledge the fact that I changed the pitch. The sample is loaded in the original pitch. What am I doing wrong?

[airturnip]

Hello Mike, i have 3 questions. 1 can i pick out right/left channels from a sample taken from the cd drive? 2 can i crossfade the loop in the sampler? 3 can i choose which pads have which samples on them without having to move and delete samples? in other words can i have a list of all my samples and drag them to the desired pad? The mv is wicked and a pleasure to use except for these 3 issues! Thanks in advance... jon

[djmichaeltrance]

1. No

2. No but the MV-8800 does have auto-zero cross

3. Samples can be assigned to any pad on any bank within a patch or audio phrase. There is no drag n drop within the MV but you can use Chicken Systems - MV Kit Creator for mac or pc which allows you to create patches from your laptop with drag n drop of samples from your desktop or external drive to any pad. I shot a video on this in my channel.

[Drecka940]

I am still having issues with tracking into pro-tools and connecting my controller to the mv...how about a video?...I'm a newbie

[djmichaeltrance]

Try normalizing

[JCubed224]

You need to definitely keep these tutorial videos going! They are alot of help.. I have a question if you dont mind me askin....After you mixdown your track to burn on to disk the volume is always lower than it should be when I listen to the CD. I have the master volume set to maximum level and set to Unity gain in the mastering window...is their a way to raise the volume in the mastering window so it sounds louder on the CD?

[1430sl]

bpm syncro ist off?

[PoWeR870]

does the patterened sequence automatically come onto the screen when you make the beat on the velocity pads

[djmichaeltrance]

Thats why i said time-stretched meaning its processed in patch mode ( not BPM Sync ). If you simply BPM SYNC a sample no it will not keep the new timing once it gets chopped. You would have to RESAMPLE the loop once it has the BPM SYNC turned on , THEN you can Auto-CHop the NEW resampled loop at its new timing and of course the chops will be on sync.

[djmichaeltrance]

After you have time-stretched a sample if its within a patch you need to copy it over to an Audio Phrase , once it resides within an audio phrase bank you can then press the edit button and select the auto-chop feature.

[Splinta13]

hey dude just curious,is that a mixer stand that the MV is on? and any particular brand that is good?

Thanks in advance

Good videos on the MV by the way

[djmichaeltrance]

I think its a Quiklok stand , not sure i bought like 10 years ago , its fits the MV very well although some of the new ones ive seen dont fit quite the same as mine does.

[sunnylicious]

ahh why was this vid removed?

[dwito]

May god bless you! I spent hours trying to solve the problem!

[vivipedraglio]

*****

x0x0

vivi.

[PatrickGrunt]

this guy is a genius on that machine ! Ive been to a clinic of his before , learned alot.

[jdstorms]

Great video Mike! You make me want a MV8800!

[Sinosure]

Wow Mike, that was super simple! Thanks!

[orecordings]

Nice tip.. Thanks.. Sweet setup also..