@leonetski “Since we proposed punctuated equilibria to explain trends, it is infuriating to be quoted again and again by creationists — whether through design or stupidity, I do not know — as admitting that the fossil record includes no transitional forms. Transitional forms are generally lacking at the species level, but they are abundant between larger groups.”
@haz020190 i just qouted what i read and was not trying to mislead...i also read that louis leakey found no transistional fossils as well in africa as far as humans go...science daily had a july article titled "sex is not about genetic variation" and the scientists claimed sex will limit species to what they are but will allow some microevolution for species to adapt..in other words they stay the same basically...read it yourself and see what you think
@leonetski with regards to the "sex is not about genetic variation" article.
I agree with the article and it is a common misconception as to the purpose of sex.
You seem to have made a slight misunderstanding of what it says. it makes that it prevents A morphing into B and restricts it to small changes. This we can all agree on because there are few examples of radically large and rapid changes. This simply states that sex controls the rate of change. Not prevents change (cont)
@haz020190 (cont) so the only quarrel i have with what you make of it is when you say "in other words they stay the same".
slow change is a sensibe step. You are more likely to make progress with small blind steps , where you can build on each small success. than with wild blind leaps with no framework to support them. sex keeps the species genetics stable, allowing small changes to spread through the population. And prevents large mutations spreading, which are often unstable and dangerous
@haz020190 one thing is for sure, humans and animals can only change as much as their genetics allow...it is pretty fascinating learning how tiny and complex even one cell is, it doesnt seem possible life should even be on earth IMO
@leonetski "humans and animals can only change as much as their genetics allow" Sure i can agree with that. Genomes allow little change. However they do allow a little change at a time and thats how things work.
"it doesnt seem possible life should even be on earth IMO" sure i can see that, whenever 'odds' are produced theyre pretty impressive. but add in the timescale/number of attempts and its more realistic. same with the lottery, it seems impossible anyone could win it and yet...people do
the bible said there was beginning to Universe which was not accepted until big bang...science has proven the integrated complexity and order of universe and life on earth...the universe was once the size of a proton and is now a monster with black holes the size of our solar system, how can humans explain how that hapened?
@JesusisLord685 You are the one who is ignorant because you know nothing about how evolution works, probably nothing about the scientific method and why it is so reliable, know noting about the plethora of evidence supporting evolution, but claim to know more then the 1000s of scientists from Harvard, Yale, Oxford... who have contributed to our understanding of evolution. YOu claim to know for certain evolution isn't true when you know nothing about it.
@TheHilbertino Yes, the central nervous system also consists of the spinal cord, which can process information autonomously. Though I don't think that anyone is arguing that fish have minds, anyway.
It's funny how the interviewer is so damned reluctant to mention God and religion in the list of things our brains have given us. Why are people still so damn touchy about confronting the human nature of religion? Anyway, great video.
A lot of humans just cannot accept that humanity is not "special" in any sort of absolute or universal sense. There are even extremely learned folks who use their intellect to constuct 'rational' arguments with the aim of convincing others (but mainly themselves) that humanity has some sort of sacred place in the cosmos...
@chickenandbaconclub2 They Rationalize Their Beliefs Regardless Of How Irrational And Nonsensical Those Beliefs Are And In Spite Of Overwhelming Evidence That Counters (Disproves) Those Beliefs.
What's my source for those dates. Well I just plucked it from my head but you can read it in many history books. I've just looked it up and it appears that I was wrong. Silly estimation. He didn't die 5bce; he died 4bce. So yeah still impossible. I know of at least one book called Herod: King of the Jews and Friend of the Romans, if you're interested.
@JoolsCaesar Hello Historian, What Impact Did That Little Bit Of History In That Little Spec Of Human Evolutionary Time Have On The Peoples Involved? Like, How Did The Outcome Of That Bit Of History Effect The Genetic Makeup Of The Populations That Descend From The Parties Involved (Jews, Italians, Etc.)? After All, That's All That Matters In The Bigger Picture Of Human Evolution (Which Genes [Carried By Which Individuals] Got Passed On To Subsequent Generations And Which Didn't).
@MrValidin I was wrong about Quirinius as well! He was appointed 6ce, so again I was one year out. I was one year out in the same direction though so you've still got 10 years of impossibility. Quirinius was appointed governer when King Herod's son was banished.
@JoolsCaesar here is ur answer I assume you mean contemporaries in office--they were certainly contemporaries in life...Quirinius, at the time of King Herod's death was doing military expeditions in the eastern provinces of the Roman empire (Tacitus , Annals 3:48; Florus, Roman History 2:31), with some evidence indicating that he either was a co-ruler with the governor of Syria (the somewhat inept Quintilius Varus) or at least placed in charge of the 14-year census in Palestine.
@MrValidin Hello Historian, What Impact Did That Little Bit Of History In That Little Spec Of Human Evolutionary Time Have On The Peoples Involved? Like, How Did The Outcome Of That Piece Of History Effect The Genetic Makeup Of The Populations That Descend From The Parties Involved (Jews, Italians, Etc.)? After All, That's All That Matters In The Bigger Picture Of Human Evolution (Which Genes [Carried By Which Individuals] Got Passed On To Subsequent Generations And Which Didn't).
@PeeGeeBeeDee ok and ur point is?? that all human kind is related to eachother? bravo correct. does it means that we are related to another kind of animal?? no
@MrValidin NOT My Point. My Point Is HISTORY Is Irrelevant If The Evolutionary History Of The Populations Involved Isn't Taken Into Consideration. In Other Words, If The Outcome Of That HISTORY Doesn't Take Into Account The Genotypic And Phenotypic Changes In The Populations Concerned Then The HISTORY Of Those Peoples Is Meaningless.
@MrValidin For Instance, Do You Think The Personality And Behavioral Traits (Phenotypes) That Succeeded In Roman Days Led To The Creation And Success Of The Mafia That Plagued Italy And The U.S.? Like, Do You Think That Those Who Had Genes That Made Them More Testosterone Driven, Highly Sexual, Ruthless, Aggressive, Loyal, Etc. Survived And Did Better Reproductively Than Those Who Didn't Have Such Traits During Roman Times And Thus Passed On These Genes To Subsequent Generations?
@PeeGeeBeeDee u got people that are more testosteron driven,highly sexual, rutless, aggressive, loyal, etc and people that are less testosteron driven, and etc always been like this always will be like this. what u claim that we make new information that is beneficial is not true. people always had as much information in them like we do now. people now even have less information in them than people have from the old days.
@PeeGeeBeeDee i can read and i got the ability to understand what i read but if people like u write sentences that are unreadeble and without a point how do u expect someone to understand them. first of all lose the capitol letter at every word and then write something that actually make sense
@MrValidin You May Be Able To Read And Understand What Each Word I Write Means Individually, But When Taken Together (When You Put Each Word Together As A Whole Paragraph) Your Run Into Trouble. In Other Words, Your Reading Comprehension Level Is Low. So I Suggest You Re-Enroll In High School (Adult School) And Take Some Literature And English Classes.
@PeeGeeBeeDee ik kan lezen en ik versta het perfect als iemand iets schrijft dat tenminste zinvol is. maar wat jij schrijft is niet zinvol. want er is zit geen vraag of punt in, het is gwn een tekst dus eigenlijk moet ik er zelfs nog geen antwoord opgeven. ooh wait i forgot u prob only understand english. u got to use a dictionary now do u?? i suggest u go to high school and learn some dutch u maybe will understand what i wrote down here then.
@MrValidin Why in the holy hell would anyone non-dutch with no dutch connections want to learn that language? There's really nothing unique with it or the culture you have.
I'm able to read half of what you wrote thanks to my 1 year of high school German. Writing "you" as "u" is a mistake a whole lot worse than the capital letters of PeeGeeBeeDee's words.
@Michaelsundell i just wanted to point out that other languages that arent ur native one are not easy to write and understand. especially when u use difficult words. and its normal that u understand dutch if u know german. because dutch is related to german language. you is the same as u. i write u because its more polite than you.
@JoolsCaesar Varus was famous for the later fiasco at the Teutoburger forest in Germany (9 ad) and at his appointment as Gov.. of Syria in 7 BC was largely 'untested'. The census was due in 8-7 BC, and Augustus could easily have ordered his trusted Quirinius (fresh from subduing the Pisidian highlanders) to assist in this volatile project.
@JoolsCaesar Herod I had recently lost favor of the emperor and was probably dragging his feet on taking the census--a process with always enraged the difficult Jews! This would have pushed the timeframe into the 5 BC mark, which fits the general data.
Josephus describes Quirinius' census taking place in in 6CE. I understand that you want to think that he could have helped with a census before 6CE, just not with an official Governer title. Unfortunately Judea wasn't annexed to Roman Syria until 6CE. So not only would a census before 6CE be useless to your story, there is no evidence for it.
Also, at the 5bce mark Qurinius was Legate of Galatia and he was busy fighting a war for them in Asia 6bce-1bce. Also there is no evidence suggesting he was co-governer and this has never happened in the history of the Roman Empire. It's ridiculous clasping at straws.
So pi=3, the earth is flat, the sun orbits the earth, infectious disease and vaccines don't exist. Out of curiousity, how many lives do you think a god could have saved by explaining that. "Hey, this isn't your fault, or witches fault, by the way they don't exist. There are these living organisms, which are similar to what you evolved from and they can kill you. Erm cow pox can immunise you from small pox." Instead he said, if you weave different fabrics together you need to be stoned.
"And he [Hiram] made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one rim to the other it was round all about, and...a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about....And it was an hand breadth thick...." — First Kings, chapter 7, verses 23 and 26
The bowl is said to have had a circumference of thirty cubits and a diameter of ten cubits. The diameter is said to be "from one rim to the other",
@JoolsCaesar so this would be the outer diameter; that is, the diameter of the outer mold used to make the bowl.The circumference is not specified as being the inner or outer circumference, but since using the outer circumference would give us the "ideal" bowl (with no width or thickness), let's instead use the inner circumference, which also, reasonably, would have been the circumference of the mold used to form the inside of the bowl.
@JoolsCaesar Once we have that value, we can plug it into the formula for the circumference and compare with the given circumference value of 540 inches.
Since the thickness of the bowl is given as one handsbreadth, then the inner radius must be:
90 – 4 = 86 inches
Let's do the calculations:
inner radius: 86 inches
inner circumference: 540 inches
The circumference formula is C = 2(pi)r, which gives us
@JoolsCaesar so u wanna say thar ur just a cell?? i dont believe we evolved from a cell in the beginning. i belief that cells and proteins and amino acids exists to make our body function better. convinving christian church?? excuse me chatolic church plz. and chatolics are used. and because people get insane with power and they claim to do the "right" things in name of god. that god is bad because man is?? u are the ignorant now. thats like saying ooh ur son broke something im gonna kill u
@JoolsCaesar witches were womand that had a bend nose, or some otehr malfunctio. and the CATHOLIC church told the people that they were witches because those people got thrown out their village and learned much about herbs and they were healthier then the townsmen and they lived longer then those townsmen. so the catholics told everyone they were witches just becuase they lived longer. no witches dont exists.
@JoolsCaesar u think as witches just common people that can fly on a broom and all that stuff. bible talks about witches that are used threw satan, to make other peoples live like hell. i know u wont believe me but no-one will ever know whats right everything we think we know about how everything happend in the past are just believes nothing more. we will be certain who was right when we die.
@MrValidin That witches comment was hilarious by the way. You first tried to tell me what I think, which was not true. And then you just collapsed to essentially "no one will ever know anything". I do agree that absolute knowledge is non-existent. There is however the matter of rational belief. Also you won't be certain when you die, because you won't know. Don't worry though you going to where you were before you were born. It won't hurt.
@JoolsCaesar Also you won't be certain when you die, because you won't know thats what u belief. there is no proof for that u wont know. its not because u belief this that its true. and ill look it up
You have yet to name one scientific discovery in the Bible that was not already known, or merely interpreted after the actual discovery. The water in those times was incredibly unpure. You'd be better cleaning it with alcohol, which they had. They also blame what we now know to be disease on demon possession or god's wrath. A ridiculous idea we are still combatting today.
Many people knew the earth was round before the Bible was written. The authors of the Bible did not,which prompted things like Jesus standing on a mountain looking at the four non-existent corners of the world and also God stopping the Sun from apparently orbiting the earth, which maybe would have stopping the earth rotation, effectively putting everyone on it in a 1000mph car crash.
"i believe god exist and that the people who wrote the bible existed. so that means its an history book." JK Rowling exists. By your logic, all I have to do is say that I believe Harry Potter exists and that makes it a history book. No, it might make me think it is a history book, but I would not be supported by reality and neither are you.
@JoolsCaesar same with evolution u think thats the true explanation but it is a belief just like i belief in god. its not because ur sciencetist can tell u whatever they wnatb thats its true. and when did those people live that new the earth was round before the bible was written? four corners of the world is north east south west think a little plz. stop the sun from orbitting the earth? see ur wrong here.joshua thought that the sun rotated around the earth. therefore god stopped the earth
@JoolsCaesar evolution accept on proof?? what proof? the only proof there is and i agree is "variation" in the same basic animal. but further than that it wont go. the macro evolution is the fantasy fact they put in the theory.
@MrValidin You said "the macro evolution is the fantasy fact they put in the theory."
"Micro-evolution" and "Macro-evolution" are not recognized as sub-groups of evolution by the biological scientific community...there is only "evolution". PubMed(dot)gov reports that there are 179 publications on "Macro-E", 341 publications on "Micro-E" and 247,308 publications on "evolution". Even the "Platypus" has 414 publications...so there are more articles about one animal than Micro-E or Macro-E.
@CynicalSkeptic1 its so easy to say that they exist but did they ever show something were u can see and know for sure that 1 animal looked like a reptile once and its offsprings were birds millions years later?? no if u got bones of a reptile u dont know if it had any offspring. and that scales and feathers have a similar structure does not prove the one evolved from the other. it can easely be used that 1 being used similar structures for 2 things.
@MrValidin DNA sequence comparison permits organisms to be grouped by sequence similarity, and the phylogenetic trees which result are generally in congruence with taxonomy. They are also used to enhance or correct taxonomic classifications.
DNA confirmed the paleontological tree of life which scientists had envisioned long before it was CONFIRMED by DNA sequence analysis. Consequently, evolution is one of the most validated and confirmed theories in all of science.
@CynicalSkeptic1 "DNA sequence comparison permits organisms to be grouped by sequence similarity, and the phylogenetic trees which result are generally in congruence with taxonomy. They are also used to enhance or correct taxonomic classifications." this really is chinese vor me and im positive that u can write it down more easy then all that scientific mumbo jumbo were nearly noone understands anything from.
@CynicalSkeptic1 "DNA confirmed the paleontological tree of life which scientists had envisioned long before it was CONFIRMED by DNA sequence analysis. Consequently, evolution is one of the most validated and confirmed theories in all of science." now this is another thing. every living animal and human got dna in them. ofcourse there are similarities in the dna. its the same substance. but that does not proof everything evolved from 1 common ancestor. thats what u bvelieve vecause they ..
@CynicalSkeptic1 theach it u that way. i believe we had a common creator and thats why our dna is similar to other dna but every animal:human got other information stored in their dna. thats why horses cant grow wings; cant crocodiles dont have hoofs. my point is that they dont have the required information in them to grow wings or hoofs. and evolution states that it is possible. but its never been seen. so thats why its fantasy and not science.
@MrValidin Rather than respond to your last three comments (since there were so many erroneous statements), please peruse the links that I provided.
An argument from incredulity has no relevance in relation to scientific theory. Simply because it doesn't appear possible is not a valid reason to disregard the information....especially when it is confirmed with actual evidence.
You also said "ill still make up my mind".
No doubt. I WANT you to come to your OWN conclusions.
@CynicalSkeptic1 were is the evidence then?? from what animal did humans evolve?? do u have fossils that clearly show and were u are 100% sure that u can see this is the ancestor of modern humans?? no u look at fossils ans u use ur imagination because it has things simillar to humans. and thats why u assume its the ancestor of modern human. but thats how ur imagination shows u. it does not mean its correct.
@MrValidin Sir, if you truly did look at the web sites then you must realize that scientists are currently utilizing evolution in numerous life sciences. They cannot utilize something which doesn't exist.
@MrValidin Where is the evidence, the evidence is overwhelming and has been confirmed in many different fields. the evidence is not just from the fossil record, but also DNA, vestigial remains, homologous structures, biogeography... You know nothing about evolution or the scietific method, yet you are certain it is false. You know more than the 1000s of scientists from all the major universities. Buy a damn book by an evolutionary biologist for christ's sake. Go to Wikipedia.
@MrValidin I am so sick of creationists who take for granted all of the technology that is the result of the scientific method like cell phones, cars, computers, the internet, mp3 players, TVs... but somehow think the scientific method fails when it comes to any scientific disciplines that contradict the stupid bible, like evolution, geology, and astronomy. Read an indepth article on the scientifc method and you will see why it is the best method for discovering what is true.
@MrValidin YOu saying evolution is false would be like me going up to Stephen Hawking and saying "There are no such thing as black holes. I can't see them, so I know they don't exist. Plus my Holy book says they don't exist. You and Einstein are such idiots."
@JoolsCaesar from moving. eeuh were do u get the idea that the water was unpure?? i dint think they had cars, factory's, and all the polluting things we use today. so i think the water was much purer then it is now and will ever be again. so can u see the actual malfunction when someone has shizophrenia? no so how do u know its not something else causing that??
The digital form of genetic copying & paste accidentally came into existence because with so much time & so many planets, it was likely to happen somewhere, it only had to happen once then the copying & pasting began, yet the information was analogue in another sense that it could accidentally be edited and the best versions had a higher probability of survival.
The best life forms emerged and continue to evolve then panspermia spread it across the universe. that's my overall view.
@deanmullen10 why would something happen with na reason or purpose?? and why would it only happen once? thats what u belief. u assume that. wich information was analogue? there wasnt any information.
@MrValidin Purpose and reason are two different things, purpose means meaningful, not everything happens for a purpose and there is a reason for the birth of life and that is of course down to probability, in my opinion. I've studied M-theory which suggests there is an infinite number of universes with different laws of physics, so most will be lifeless but a small fraction will be suitable for life and some will even see life form because its possible so it will happen in one of these universes
@deanmullen10 what u say about multiple universes thats an assumptions. thats what u belief. that will never be a fact what ur stating there. what happens without a purpose then??
@MrValidin It's not an assumption. its a developed thought out theory, The theory of random existence of life is more probable. I find it hard to believe a god created consciousness. Because:
1. If god created consciousness because you think its too complex to exist w/o a creator to remain consistent surly you believe god had a creator as he is even more complex.
2. If god had a creator surly the creator was also created and so on forever, realizing there is no individual creator.
@deanmullen10 if u would read the bible then u would know 1. tehre are 3 heavens. the third heaven is OUTSIDE the universe. so in our universe we got laws of nature that tell us certain things. and 1 of them is everything needs a beginning.
2. but god does NOT live INSIDE the universe but he lives outside the universe; so the laws that only apply IN the universe doe not apply to him. such as time neither. sheepherders wrote this down and i dont think the knew anything about these laws.
@MrValidin Okay I understand your theory more clearly now but first of all to make such an extraordinary claim that its conceivable for magic to exist, heaven, exc. you need evidence, you can't say simply because you believe it, that is is true, so where is the evidence for this theory? I mean why do you have such a deep belief in a theory with lack of evidence? or is there evidence?
@deanmullen10 i think tehre is more evidence for god then tehre is for evolution. the only thing what evolution show us are variations in the same kind and some other difficult stuff. but they dont show fossils that we can link to 2 totally different types of animals. because the fossil they show only get up classified false after years. tehre is evidence for god. but why do u think they dont show that in textbooks?? bcause they want everyone to believe in evolution. ;;
@deanmullen10 what they do with the evidence for god is simple. they put it in a basement so people wont know the truth and so they can keep us dumb. i dont say the sciencetists are the master minds behind this. the rich people are. if there is really no god like what they state. then we actually dont have any rights. so who can make our rights than? the one that has the money and the power to inslave us. evolution shows us that we are nothing more than animals with some brains. ..
@deanmullen10 so the rich people think they are the more evolved group of humans. so they think they can do with us (the lower evolved group) what they want. but that can only be achieved when u get rid of god. and thats what they are doing for years now. and its working on everyone except some people that actually research and read things about why and how and when the rich want to do some moves. did this answered ur questions?
@MrValidin no not really, you didn't answer it all. I asked for evidence of god and you just told me about oppression, if that is so then I am completely against oppression but note scientists are generally not trying to oppress religious beliefs but merely present what they have concluded from thought out studies.
Also for your statements on evolution that is not how it works, we don't have direct links other species such as frogs because first of all, lets say you go to the world 1 billion...
@deanmullen10 i told u why tehre is no evidence for god. actually tehre is there is a museum in amerike. that provides evidence for god. drdinoDOTcom i thought it was. sciencetist arent oppresiong?? u dont watch tv and see all the evolution propaganda atm?
@MrValidin well there's more theists than there is athiests, and I haven't seen any of this evolution propoganda. we probably live in separate countries, but what exactly did those videos say that makes them propogandha? Also if your refering to documentaries, that's not propoghanda, that's a scientific programme, just as you find religious programmes.
@deanmullen10 paul is propaganda, xmen is propaganda, and there are many other movies. u just need to realy see the movie to understand in wich scenes the propaganda is. i dont know if u know ben10?? de guy that can shapeshift because he has an alies device? propaganda.
@deanmullen10 u probably dont know the cartoon ben10. what it ahs to do with atheism is that children of prox 7 till 12 years or older watch those cartoons and many others but without knowing receiving information about evolution and that there is no god and such. so thats propaganda
@MrValidin well that's the people making the cartoons also what about children been told from birth that religion is a fact when it is not, that is also propaganda? I disagree with the propogandha in kids shows too but I'm pointing out, when it comes to stuff like that, they're equally as bad, how many kids shows show people praying to god for e.g.? a lot so I don't think its really propoganda just the storyline and perhaps opinions of the writers which is a general mix of theism & atheism
@deanmullen10 u got a point there. but telling children that relegion is a fact is just to give them a start but they still have their own choice to choose what they want to believe. if u go on the street now and ask any person in what they believe i think there will be 80% telling there are either atheist or evolution believer and 20% that believes in diffrent kinds of religion. i can tell why diffrent religions are false but that will take to long except u really want me to. ...
@deanmullen10 there arent many shows left were they actually pray to god and if there are left then there will be evolution in aswell and evokution would be more point out then the praying would. i believe there is more atheism propaganda then there is theism. i can go and explain u that but it would take very long again xp except if u wnat me to then i will be glad to tell u but ill send a private message then because its quite a text xd
@MrValidin years ago and u find 2 species, 1 species will evolve into a couple more & a couple more & yet another species would do so the same but the 2 species at the very start are linked yet the 1's to follow that aren't directly linked, u have to go back to the 2 initial species to find the link.
So a human is not related to a dinosaur cause u have to go back along time b4 a human ancestor & dinosaur ancestor were the same. U said theres more evidence for god just tell me the evidence then?
@deanmullen10 lets say the 1 specie is a dog. then there would come more dogs after years and years. variated dogs perhaps. so diffrent from the first dogs but still they are dogs. same for every other animal on this planet. cat like animals will stay catlike animals. they will never become doglike. ape will be apes. there is a wide variation of apedlike animals. but they still are apes. the assumption thats scienctists make that we come from a fish or something is just an assumption. ....
@MrValidin okay but there's videos everywhere on evolution and I shall search for evidence of god but tbh I haven't found too much substantial and evolution has been more convincing for me, anyway's I know we have differences in beliefs but please note I hold nothing against you. The moral truth is more important than any other truth.
I think if the brain were to evolve another few billion years, eventually consciousness would be so well evolved we would be able to control everything about our brain & body, rather than having so much done by sub-consciousness.
I dont understand how some one as educated as this .. come up with .. such unlogical conclusions ?????? the rhetoric of evolution is a myth .. that is why they call it a theory .. so this sounds like a theory also ..
@goodfellow67216 The laws of gravity are also a theory... as is everything in science. As long as you don't come across with a better theory, then the science world will stick to this one.
And I think the speaker makes a very good case why intelligent design is not a good explanation, because the brain is crude and has lots of old parts, that a fresh new design just wouldn't need.
@tokotokotoko3 not everything in science is a theory, evolution is a fact and theory just like gravity. i am on your side with evolution but giving creationists misinformation is the root of the problem in the first place
@MrValidin It's said that the brain evolved in layers - it is kinda like an onion, where the outer layers are new additions and the inner ones are the oldest parts. The actual spinal cord being the most basic one, then comes brain stem (which evolved hundreds of millions of years ago, the reptile brain consists only of that) and then cerebellum and so on. Humans are unique with their huge prefrontal crotex, most animals don't even have that.
@tokotokotoko3 its said. not proven. so thats what u belief actually? and i dont think the brain evolved. if it did then we couldnt use many things. and again u cant say that we come from reptiles because tehre is no proof for. so again thats something u belief. not a fact
@MrValidin That's science - and it's proven. Even if one person would be a brain surgeon one couldn't find all this out alone. Sometimes you have to rely on the peer reviewed data of other people. Sorry, when I answered I thought you were interested - but obviously you just have some agenda.
If you rather believe some random stories some sheep herders wrote down thousand years ago, then have at it.
@tokotokotoko3 well try read those sheep herders book there are scientific laws in tehre that ur scienctist discovered some 150 eyars ago. but weird those scheepherders knew those things thousands of years ago mmh did man got dumber and dumber with the years??
@MrValidin You have to decide what you want: Either claim that science is bunk, or the bible is scientifically proven. You can't have it both ways.
Besides, the book is also claiming we should kill all gays, any non-virgin that marries... and everyone carrying a stick on a Sunday. So if you don't do those things, you don't really care about the bible either.
@tokotokotoko3 ur probably a jew ever wondered why jews are always the ones that get picked on and get slaughterd by every high power??? maybe thats because u didnt listen to god and didnt wanted a savior that talked but 1 that fought for u. tahts why u guys deny jesus all this time just because he did not defeated the romans like u guys wanted him to do. 1 word selfish
@tokotokotoko3 i dont feel suprior. the only thing i feel is pitty for everyone that questions god. how sure are u that what the rabbi's are telling about jesus is not real? maybe it is and then gods wrath is upon u? maybe thats why all the arabic lands and in the future the whole world will go to war against israel. there are enough storys in the old testament how god left the jewish people when they did not listened to him. and did what they thought was right.
@MrValidin If the Muslim god is turns out to be real, you will feel that god's wrath for falsely believing in the divinity of Jesus. How much sleep do you lose over this? Well I feel the same way about your god.
The bible is the number one fiction best seller. It is not a history book.
@JoolsCaesar u know how islam has been formed?? mohammed was thought about catholic ways by a chatolic woman, she wanted him to spread the word of god into the arab lands. but it turned out to have failed. i dont know if u know but if the bible is a fiction book why is it that there were sciencetific laws written in it thousands years ago??
Yeah, none of that changes the fact that if you believe in the divinity of Jesus (we're talking son of god, not just prophet), you are damning yourself in Islam.
You mean like how pi = 3? Wrong.
Why would the bible having correlations with reality stop it being a fiction book? A lot of what happens in Harry Potter is true. The laws of physics are usually observed when magic is not involved. A lot of the settings involved are real e.g. London. It's fiction.
@JoolsCaesar yea o dont care if i damn myself in islam. islam has been brought forth out of jewish belief. so i wonder why god would write 2 books?? in the torah he writes all this and in the qu'ran he write different thins? no muhammed interpret his own thoughts into the qu'ran. no i dont mean how pi = 3. i mean how they knew that the earth was round, that the earth does not have an attachment to stay hanging in space. did harry potter ever existed? no thats fiction. i believe god exist ...
@JoolsCaesar and that the people who wrote the bible existed. so that means its an history book. not fiction. bible explains how the laws were formed. ok wich examples then? there is much scientific knowledge in the bible that sciencetist discover a few 150 - 200 years ago. wich incorrect science??
@MrValidin There plenty of examples in the bible where scientific laws are violated in impossible ways. There is no scientific knowledge in the Bible that was not known by the people of the times. There is however incorrect science that was even known to be false at the time, just not in the primitive places the Bible orginated from.
@MrValidin If you're trying to interpret parts of the bible to have predicted scientific knowledge through revelation, you can stop right now. Predictions after the fact aren't worth a damn. You can always predict yesterdays headlines from a chinese menu, but you can't predict tomorrow's.
@JoolsCaesar not predicted already known by god and just given to man. yea i dont think people could see microbes or bacteria 2000 years ago but still bible says to wash urself with running water after touching something unpure. so u wont be infected by little beast.
Are you completely ignorant of how many people died trying to convince the christian church that the earth is round, and that it orbits the sun, not the other way round and that earth is one of many planets, and that witches don't exist, that disease are to blame for a lot of our problems and that killing them is not attacking god's will.
@MrValidin Do you know who write the Bible? If you're thinking Matthew, Mark and John etc, I'm sorry but they were probably dead by the time the Bible was written. This makes it a bit more understandable that "their stories" didn't correlate with history...
The nativity story: year 1, King Herod killing all the baby boys and Governor Quirinius calling a census. Bull. King Herod died 5 years before this. Maybe the bible got the year a bit wrong? Sorry, Quirinius was appointed Governer 5 years later, 10 years after Herod's death. So yeah, this took place in a period of history that did not exist. Fiction.
@MrValidin If your talking about the round earth thing, there are many different sources, because it was known be many significant figures of ancient Greece. Aristotle for example observed that certain stars could be seen in egypt and cyprus but not in the northern regions, so he said the earth must be spherical because this is the only thing that would account for it.
@MrValidin There are probably thousands of religions - chances are, you're still wrong.
But you also prove that your god is not nice, he forces you to believe - with eternal punishment. It is a spineless choice to follow it - even if he would exist, I would prefer to defy such evil.
Also - notice how you again avoided answering the questions. You are trapped man. Trapped. And you make it too easy - thats why a actual intelligent discussion with a religious fundamentalist is not possible.
@tokotokotoko3 ill answer ur questions. old testament apllies to jews and to the strange people that live together with the jews in israel. i dont live in israel so i dont have to follow old testament but the new.
i would definitly have to follow every rule thats in the new testament. but i will never succeed to follow them all for i am just a human. thats the reason why jesus died for us to take our sins fromt hen and from now on him. without him no-one would earn the right to go to heaven.
Heterosexual marriage is the result that neurons are lousy processors. I love the thinking process.
citiblocsMaster 2 weeks ago
@Jshect sj gould said paleontologys dirty little secret is that the fosil record does not offer proof of evolution
leonetski 3 weeks ago
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@leonetski
Proof is for mathematics.
The fossil evidence is explained SOLELY by evolution--not your swami guru hindu magic bullshit.
odinata 2 weeks ago
@leonetski “Since we proposed punctuated equilibria to explain trends, it is infuriating to be quoted again and again by creationists — whether through design or stupidity, I do not know — as admitting that the fossil record includes no transitional forms. Transitional forms are generally lacking at the species level, but they are abundant between larger groups.”
Hey look another quote by SJ Gould.
quote mining is a shameful practise.
haz020190 2 weeks ago
@haz020190 i just qouted what i read and was not trying to mislead...i also read that louis leakey found no transistional fossils as well in africa as far as humans go...science daily had a july article titled "sex is not about genetic variation" and the scientists claimed sex will limit species to what they are but will allow some microevolution for species to adapt..in other words they stay the same basically...read it yourself and see what you think
leonetski 2 weeks ago
@leonetski with regards to the "sex is not about genetic variation" article.
I agree with the article and it is a common misconception as to the purpose of sex.
You seem to have made a slight misunderstanding of what it says. it makes that it prevents A morphing into B and restricts it to small changes. This we can all agree on because there are few examples of radically large and rapid changes. This simply states that sex controls the rate of change. Not prevents change (cont)
haz020190 2 weeks ago
@haz020190 (cont) so the only quarrel i have with what you make of it is when you say "in other words they stay the same".
slow change is a sensibe step. You are more likely to make progress with small blind steps , where you can build on each small success. than with wild blind leaps with no framework to support them. sex keeps the species genetics stable, allowing small changes to spread through the population. And prevents large mutations spreading, which are often unstable and dangerous
haz020190 2 weeks ago
@haz020190 one thing is for sure, humans and animals can only change as much as their genetics allow...it is pretty fascinating learning how tiny and complex even one cell is, it doesnt seem possible life should even be on earth IMO
leonetski 1 week ago
@leonetski "humans and animals can only change as much as their genetics allow" Sure i can agree with that. Genomes allow little change. However they do allow a little change at a time and thats how things work.
"it doesnt seem possible life should even be on earth IMO" sure i can see that, whenever 'odds' are produced theyre pretty impressive. but add in the timescale/number of attempts and its more realistic. same with the lottery, it seems impossible anyone could win it and yet...people do
haz020190 1 week ago
the bible said there was beginning to Universe which was not accepted until big bang...science has proven the integrated complexity and order of universe and life on earth...the universe was once the size of a proton and is now a monster with black holes the size of our solar system, how can humans explain how that hapened?
leonetski 3 weeks ago
@hayesism, so a central nervous system is what makes things regenerate? Would you then conclude that the central nervous system is a 'soul' of sorts?
TheHilbertino 1 month ago
I find people who think life one day started and became complex "having a heart, blood, and a brain" to be OUTSTANDINGLY ignorant.
JesusisLord685 1 month ago
@JesusisLord685 You are the one who is ignorant because you know nothing about how evolution works, probably nothing about the scientific method and why it is so reliable, know noting about the plethora of evidence supporting evolution, but claim to know more then the 1000s of scientists from Harvard, Yale, Oxford... who have contributed to our understanding of evolution. YOu claim to know for certain evolution isn't true when you know nothing about it.
Jshect 3 weeks ago
Is the buddhist concept that mind is more than brain and in essence formless, just a bunch of bunk?
erictheobach 1 month ago
@erictheobach, they found brainless fish already, so I think the mind is more than brain
TheHilbertino 1 month ago
@TheHilbertino Yes, the central nervous system also consists of the spinal cord, which can process information autonomously. Though I don't think that anyone is arguing that fish have minds, anyway.
hayesism 1 month ago
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vpartworld 2 months ago
It's funny how the interviewer is so damned reluctant to mention God and religion in the list of things our brains have given us. Why are people still so damn touchy about confronting the human nature of religion? Anyway, great video.
CodyRicheson 2 months ago
@Lyricalphysicist Stick To Rap Wigga. Your Making A Fool Of Yourself With Junior College Chemistry Class Climate Change Mumbo Jumbo.
PeeGeeBeeDee 2 months ago
How Imperfect Our Brain Is. How Haphazardly And Randomly It Was Formed. How Lacking It Is In Many Respects.
PeeGeeBeeDee 2 months ago
A lot of humans just cannot accept that humanity is not "special" in any sort of absolute or universal sense. There are even extremely learned folks who use their intellect to constuct 'rational' arguments with the aim of convincing others (but mainly themselves) that humanity has some sort of sacred place in the cosmos...
chickenandbaconclub2 2 months ago
@chickenandbaconclub2 PRECISELY. Humans Have An Innate Need To Rationalize Their Beliefs And Make Sense Of The World And Their Place In It.
PeeGeeBeeDee 2 months ago
@chickenandbaconclub2 They Rationalize Their Beliefs Regardless Of How Irrational And Nonsensical Those Beliefs Are And In Spite Of Overwhelming Evidence That Counters (Disproves) Those Beliefs.
PeeGeeBeeDee 2 months ago
In The Face Of Mounting Evidence
PeeGeeBeeDee 2 months ago
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@MrValidin 'Suggestion', 'assumption' and 'belief' are all distinct concepts. Just saying...
chickenandbaconclub2 2 months ago
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chickenandbaconclub2 2 months ago
What's my source for those dates. Well I just plucked it from my head but you can read it in many history books. I've just looked it up and it appears that I was wrong. Silly estimation. He didn't die 5bce; he died 4bce. So yeah still impossible. I know of at least one book called Herod: King of the Jews and Friend of the Romans, if you're interested.
JoolsCaesar 3 months ago
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@JoolsCaesar Hello Historian, What Impact Did That Little Bit Of History In That Little Spec Of Human Evolutionary Time Have On The Peoples Involved? Like, How Did The Outcome Of That Bit Of History Effect The Genetic Makeup Of The Populations That Descend From The Parties Involved (Jews, Italians, Etc.)? After All, That's All That Matters In The Bigger Picture Of Human Evolution (Which Genes [Carried By Which Individuals] Got Passed On To Subsequent Generations And Which Didn't).
PeeGeeBeeDee 2 months ago
Source for what exactly?
and out curiosity are you going to tackle the fact that the nativity took place in a period of history that did not exist.
JoolsCaesar 3 months ago
@JoolsCaesar but thats just what i wanna know were u get that information from that king herod was already dead 5 years and ect xp
MrValidin 3 months ago
@MrValidin I was wrong about Quirinius as well! He was appointed 6ce, so again I was one year out. I was one year out in the same direction though so you've still got 10 years of impossibility. Quirinius was appointed governer when King Herod's son was banished.
JoolsCaesar 3 months ago
@JoolsCaesar here is ur answer I assume you mean contemporaries in office--they were certainly contemporaries in life...Quirinius, at the time of King Herod's death was doing military expeditions in the eastern provinces of the Roman empire (Tacitus , Annals 3:48; Florus, Roman History 2:31), with some evidence indicating that he either was a co-ruler with the governor of Syria (the somewhat inept Quintilius Varus) or at least placed in charge of the 14-year census in Palestine.
MrValidin 3 months ago
@MrValidin Hello Historian, What Impact Did That Little Bit Of History In That Little Spec Of Human Evolutionary Time Have On The Peoples Involved? Like, How Did The Outcome Of That Piece Of History Effect The Genetic Makeup Of The Populations That Descend From The Parties Involved (Jews, Italians, Etc.)? After All, That's All That Matters In The Bigger Picture Of Human Evolution (Which Genes [Carried By Which Individuals] Got Passed On To Subsequent Generations And Which Didn't).
PeeGeeBeeDee 2 months ago
@PeeGeeBeeDee ok and ur point is?? that all human kind is related to eachother? bravo correct. does it means that we are related to another kind of animal?? no
MrValidin 2 months ago
@MrValidin NOT My Point. My Point Is HISTORY Is Irrelevant If The Evolutionary History Of The Populations Involved Isn't Taken Into Consideration. In Other Words, If The Outcome Of That HISTORY Doesn't Take Into Account The Genotypic And Phenotypic Changes In The Populations Concerned Then The HISTORY Of Those Peoples Is Meaningless.
PeeGeeBeeDee 2 months ago
@MrValidin For Instance, Do You Think The Personality And Behavioral Traits (Phenotypes) That Succeeded In Roman Days Led To The Creation And Success Of The Mafia That Plagued Italy And The U.S.? Like, Do You Think That Those Who Had Genes That Made Them More Testosterone Driven, Highly Sexual, Ruthless, Aggressive, Loyal, Etc. Survived And Did Better Reproductively Than Those Who Didn't Have Such Traits During Roman Times And Thus Passed On These Genes To Subsequent Generations?
PeeGeeBeeDee 2 months ago
@PeeGeeBeeDee u got people that are more testosteron driven,highly sexual, rutless, aggressive, loyal, etc and people that are less testosteron driven, and etc always been like this always will be like this. what u claim that we make new information that is beneficial is not true. people always had as much information in them like we do now. people now even have less information in them than people have from the old days.
MrValidin 2 months ago
@MrValidin Do You Know How To Read? And If So, Do You Also Have The Ability To Understand What You Read?
PeeGeeBeeDee 2 months ago
@PeeGeeBeeDee i can read and i got the ability to understand what i read but if people like u write sentences that are unreadeble and without a point how do u expect someone to understand them. first of all lose the capitol letter at every word and then write something that actually make sense
MrValidin 2 months ago
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PeeGeeBeeDee 2 months ago
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@MrValidin You May Be Able To Read And Understand What Each Word I Write Means Individually, But When Taken Together (When You Put Each Word Together As A Whole Paragraph) Your Run Into Trouble. In Other Words, Your Reading Comprehension Level Is Low. So I Suggest You Re-Enroll In High School (Adult School) And Take Some Literature And English Classes.
PeeGeeBeeDee 2 months ago
@PeeGeeBeeDee ik kan lezen en ik versta het perfect als iemand iets schrijft dat tenminste zinvol is. maar wat jij schrijft is niet zinvol. want er is zit geen vraag of punt in, het is gwn een tekst dus eigenlijk moet ik er zelfs nog geen antwoord opgeven. ooh wait i forgot u prob only understand english. u got to use a dictionary now do u?? i suggest u go to high school and learn some dutch u maybe will understand what i wrote down here then.
MrValidin 2 months ago
@MrValidin You're Not A Native English Speaker. OKAY. It All Makes Sense Now.
PeeGeeBeeDee 2 months ago
@PeeGeeBeeDee now wuold we make a fresh start together and reapeat ur question then or ur explanation?
MrValidin 2 months ago
@MrValidin NO. I'm Happy With What I've Accomplished Here
PeeGeeBeeDee 2 months ago
@PeeGeeBeeDee well u didnt really accomplished anything but ok if accomplishing nothing makes u happy good for u then.
MrValidin 2 months ago
@MrValidin Well, I've Established That You Don't Understand English. I've Accomplished That With A Couple Of Paragraphs.
PeeGeeBeeDee 2 months ago
@PeeGeeBeeDee ooh wauw what an achievement. u know u dont understand dutch or flemish either so i got a double achievement then or what??
MrValidin 2 months ago
@MrValidin "i know"
MrValidin 2 months ago
@MrValidin Two Scoops
PeeGeeBeeDee 2 months ago
@PeeGeeBeeDee I was just curious...what is the purpose of beginning each word with a capital letter?
CynicalSkeptic1 2 months ago
@CynicalSkeptic1 Purely Aesthetic And Attentional Reasons. I Like The Way It Looks And I Like The Fact That It Captures The Viewers Attention.
PeeGeeBeeDee 2 months ago
@MrValidin Why in the holy hell would anyone non-dutch with no dutch connections want to learn that language? There's really nothing unique with it or the culture you have.
I'm able to read half of what you wrote thanks to my 1 year of high school German. Writing "you" as "u" is a mistake a whole lot worse than the capital letters of PeeGeeBeeDee's words.
Michaelsundell 2 months ago
@Michaelsundell i just wanted to point out that other languages that arent ur native one are not easy to write and understand. especially when u use difficult words. and its normal that u understand dutch if u know german. because dutch is related to german language. you is the same as u. i write u because its more polite than you.
MrValidin 2 months ago
@MrValidin Plagued Them For Centuries
PeeGeeBeeDee 2 months ago
@JoolsCaesar Varus was famous for the later fiasco at the Teutoburger forest in Germany (9 ad) and at his appointment as Gov.. of Syria in 7 BC was largely 'untested'. The census was due in 8-7 BC, and Augustus could easily have ordered his trusted Quirinius (fresh from subduing the Pisidian highlanders) to assist in this volatile project.
MrValidin 3 months ago
@JoolsCaesar Herod I had recently lost favor of the emperor and was probably dragging his feet on taking the census--a process with always enraged the difficult Jews! This would have pushed the timeframe into the 5 BC mark, which fits the general data.
MrValidin 3 months ago
@MrValidin
Josephus describes Quirinius' census taking place in in 6CE. I understand that you want to think that he could have helped with a census before 6CE, just not with an official Governer title. Unfortunately Judea wasn't annexed to Roman Syria until 6CE. So not only would a census before 6CE be useless to your story, there is no evidence for it.
JoolsCaesar 3 months ago
@MrValidin
Also, at the 5bce mark Qurinius was Legate of Galatia and he was busy fighting a war for them in Asia 6bce-1bce. Also there is no evidence suggesting he was co-governer and this has never happened in the history of the Roman Empire. It's ridiculous clasping at straws.
JoolsCaesar 3 months ago
@MrValidin
I'd advise that you look up:
The Date of the Nativity in Luke (6th ed., 2011)
Richard Carrier
I've just glanced through it and it deals with every point you've raised and quite a few more.
JoolsCaesar 3 months ago
So pi=3, the earth is flat, the sun orbits the earth, infectious disease and vaccines don't exist. Out of curiousity, how many lives do you think a god could have saved by explaining that. "Hey, this isn't your fault, or witches fault, by the way they don't exist. There are these living organisms, which are similar to what you evolved from and they can kill you. Erm cow pox can immunise you from small pox." Instead he said, if you weave different fabrics together you need to be stoned.
JoolsCaesar 3 months ago
@JoolsCaesar The Calculations
Here again is the quote being referred to:
"And he [Hiram] made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one rim to the other it was round all about, and...a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about....And it was an hand breadth thick...." — First Kings, chapter 7, verses 23 and 26
The bowl is said to have had a circumference of thirty cubits and a diameter of ten cubits. The diameter is said to be "from one rim to the other",
MrValidin 3 months ago
@JoolsCaesar so this would be the outer diameter; that is, the diameter of the outer mold used to make the bowl.The circumference is not specified as being the inner or outer circumference, but since using the outer circumference would give us the "ideal" bowl (with no width or thickness), let's instead use the inner circumference, which also, reasonably, would have been the circumference of the mold used to form the inside of the bowl.
MrValidin 3 months ago
@JoolsCaesar That is, we will use the two measurements which were necessary for the casting of the piece. Copyright © Elizabeth Stapel 2002-2011 All Rights Reserved
Using eighteen inches for one cubit, we have the following:
outer diameter: 10 cubits, or 180 inches
outer radius: 5 cubits, or 90 inches
inner circumference: 30 cubits, or 540 inches
To find the "Jewish" or "Bible" value for pi, we need to have the inner radius
MrValidin 3 months ago
@JoolsCaesar Once we have that value, we can plug it into the formula for the circumference and compare with the given circumference value of 540 inches.
Since the thickness of the bowl is given as one handsbreadth, then the inner radius must be:
90 – 4 = 86 inches
Let's do the calculations:
inner radius: 86 inches
inner circumference: 540 inches
The circumference formula is C = 2(pi)r, which gives us
MrValidin 3 months ago
@JoolsCaesar 540 = 2(pi)(86)
540 = 172(pi)
Solving, we get pi = 540/172 = 135/43 = 3.1395348837..., or about 3.14.
Um... Isn't "3.14" the approximation we all use for pi? Perhaps those Phoenicians were fairly accurate after all.
MrValidin 3 months ago
@JoolsCaesar so u wanna say thar ur just a cell?? i dont believe we evolved from a cell in the beginning. i belief that cells and proteins and amino acids exists to make our body function better. convinving christian church?? excuse me chatolic church plz. and chatolics are used. and because people get insane with power and they claim to do the "right" things in name of god. that god is bad because man is?? u are the ignorant now. thats like saying ooh ur son broke something im gonna kill u
MrValidin 3 months ago
@MrValidin
I'm not blaming you, or even the christians of the time. I'm blaming their biblical justification. Do you think witches exist?
JoolsCaesar 3 months ago
@JoolsCaesar witches were womand that had a bend nose, or some otehr malfunctio. and the CATHOLIC church told the people that they were witches because those people got thrown out their village and learned much about herbs and they were healthier then the townsmen and they lived longer then those townsmen. so the catholics told everyone they were witches just becuase they lived longer. no witches dont exists.
MrValidin 3 months ago
@MrValidin If witches don't exist and you don't think the bible is a fiction book, why does the bible talk about witches?
JoolsCaesar 3 months ago
@JoolsCaesar u think as witches just common people that can fly on a broom and all that stuff. bible talks about witches that are used threw satan, to make other peoples live like hell. i know u wont believe me but no-one will ever know whats right everything we think we know about how everything happend in the past are just believes nothing more. we will be certain who was right when we die.
MrValidin 3 months ago
@MrValidin That witches comment was hilarious by the way. You first tried to tell me what I think, which was not true. And then you just collapsed to essentially "no one will ever know anything". I do agree that absolute knowledge is non-existent. There is however the matter of rational belief. Also you won't be certain when you die, because you won't know. Don't worry though you going to where you were before you were born. It won't hurt.
JoolsCaesar 3 months ago
@JoolsCaesar Also you won't be certain when you die, because you won't know thats what u belief. there is no proof for that u wont know. its not because u belief this that its true. and ill look it up
MrValidin 3 months ago
You have yet to name one scientific discovery in the Bible that was not already known, or merely interpreted after the actual discovery. The water in those times was incredibly unpure. You'd be better cleaning it with alcohol, which they had. They also blame what we now know to be disease on demon possession or god's wrath. A ridiculous idea we are still combatting today.
JoolsCaesar 3 months ago
Many people knew the earth was round before the Bible was written. The authors of the Bible did not,which prompted things like Jesus standing on a mountain looking at the four non-existent corners of the world and also God stopping the Sun from apparently orbiting the earth, which maybe would have stopping the earth rotation, effectively putting everyone on it in a 1000mph car crash.
JoolsCaesar 3 months ago
"i believe god exist and that the people who wrote the bible existed. so that means its an history book." JK Rowling exists. By your logic, all I have to do is say that I believe Harry Potter exists and that makes it a history book. No, it might make me think it is a history book, but I would not be supported by reality and neither are you.
JoolsCaesar 3 months ago
@JoolsCaesar same with evolution u think thats the true explanation but it is a belief just like i belief in god. its not because ur sciencetist can tell u whatever they wnatb thats its true. and when did those people live that new the earth was round before the bible was written? four corners of the world is north east south west think a little plz. stop the sun from orbitting the earth? see ur wrong here.joshua thought that the sun rotated around the earth. therefore god stopped the earth
MrValidin 3 months ago
@MrValidin
Babylonians knew the earth was round about 6th century bce. Aristotle knew about it about 330BCE.
The forces of the magnetic field of the earth are not corners and they were not known of outside of China, so no they weren't referring to that.
As I said, stopping the earths rotation would be like putting everything on the planet in a 1000mph car crash.
Try picking up a legit non-fiction book some time.
JoolsCaesar 3 months ago
@MrValidin
If you honestly think evolution is accepted on faith, your ignorance is astounding.
Read a book or go to TalkOrigins or Natural History museum. You are an embarrasment to christians.
JoolsCaesar 3 months ago
@JoolsCaesar evolution accept on proof?? what proof? the only proof there is and i agree is "variation" in the same basic animal. but further than that it wont go. the macro evolution is the fantasy fact they put in the theory.
MrValidin 3 months ago
@MrValidin You said "the macro evolution is the fantasy fact they put in the theory."
"Micro-evolution" and "Macro-evolution" are not recognized as sub-groups of evolution by the biological scientific community...there is only "evolution". PubMed(dot)gov reports that there are 179 publications on "Macro-E", 341 publications on "Micro-E" and 247,308 publications on "evolution". Even the "Platypus" has 414 publications...so there are more articles about one animal than Micro-E or Macro-E.
CynicalSkeptic1 2 months ago
@CynicalSkeptic1 its so easy to say that they exist but did they ever show something were u can see and know for sure that 1 animal looked like a reptile once and its offsprings were birds millions years later?? no if u got bones of a reptile u dont know if it had any offspring. and that scales and feathers have a similar structure does not prove the one evolved from the other. it can easely be used that 1 being used similar structures for 2 things.
MrValidin 2 months ago
@MrValidin DNA sequence comparison permits organisms to be grouped by sequence similarity, and the phylogenetic trees which result are generally in congruence with taxonomy. They are also used to enhance or correct taxonomic classifications.
DNA confirmed the paleontological tree of life which scientists had envisioned long before it was CONFIRMED by DNA sequence analysis. Consequently, evolution is one of the most validated and confirmed theories in all of science.
CynicalSkeptic1 2 months ago
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@CynicalSkeptic1 "DNA sequence comparison permits organisms to be grouped by sequence similarity, and the phylogenetic trees which result are generally in congruence with taxonomy. They are also used to enhance or correct taxonomic classifications." this really is chinese vor me and im positive that u can write it down more easy then all that scientific mumbo jumbo were nearly noone understands anything from.
MrValidin 2 months ago
@CynicalSkeptic1 "DNA confirmed the paleontological tree of life which scientists had envisioned long before it was CONFIRMED by DNA sequence analysis. Consequently, evolution is one of the most validated and confirmed theories in all of science." now this is another thing. every living animal and human got dna in them. ofcourse there are similarities in the dna. its the same substance. but that does not proof everything evolved from 1 common ancestor. thats what u bvelieve vecause they ..
MrValidin 2 months ago
@CynicalSkeptic1 theach it u that way. i believe we had a common creator and thats why our dna is similar to other dna but every animal:human got other information stored in their dna. thats why horses cant grow wings; cant crocodiles dont have hoofs. my point is that they dont have the required information in them to grow wings or hoofs. and evolution states that it is possible. but its never been seen. so thats why its fantasy and not science.
MrValidin 2 months ago
@MrValidin Here are some links about evolution if you are interested.
talkorigins(dot)org/faqs/comdesc/section1
anthro(dot)palomar(dot)edu/evolve/evolve_3
wikipedia(dot)org/wiki/Evidence_of_common_descent
evolution(dot)berkeley(dot)edu/evolibrary/search/topicbrowse2
txtwriter(dot)com/backgrounders/evolution/evcontents
You can ignore the information if you prefer....but the evidence doesn't disappear because it is ignored.
CynicalSkeptic1 2 months ago
@CynicalSkeptic1 i would love to read this why not. but ill still make up my mind wich information they give is correct or wrong.
MrValidin 2 months ago
@MrValidin Rather than respond to your last three comments (since there were so many erroneous statements), please peruse the links that I provided.
An argument from incredulity has no relevance in relation to scientific theory. Simply because it doesn't appear possible is not a valid reason to disregard the information....especially when it is confirmed with actual evidence.
You also said "ill still make up my mind".
No doubt. I WANT you to come to your OWN conclusions.
CynicalSkeptic1 2 months ago
@CynicalSkeptic1 were is the evidence then?? from what animal did humans evolve?? do u have fossils that clearly show and were u are 100% sure that u can see this is the ancestor of modern humans?? no u look at fossils ans u use ur imagination because it has things simillar to humans. and thats why u assume its the ancestor of modern human. but thats how ur imagination shows u. it does not mean its correct.
MrValidin 2 months ago
@MrValidin Sir, if you truly did look at the web sites then you must realize that scientists are currently utilizing evolution in numerous life sciences. They cannot utilize something which doesn't exist.
Good luck in your religion. Peace.
CynicalSkeptic1 2 months ago
@MrValidin Where is the evidence, the evidence is overwhelming and has been confirmed in many different fields. the evidence is not just from the fossil record, but also DNA, vestigial remains, homologous structures, biogeography... You know nothing about evolution or the scietific method, yet you are certain it is false. You know more than the 1000s of scientists from all the major universities. Buy a damn book by an evolutionary biologist for christ's sake. Go to Wikipedia.
Jshect 3 weeks ago
@MrValidin I am so sick of creationists who take for granted all of the technology that is the result of the scientific method like cell phones, cars, computers, the internet, mp3 players, TVs... but somehow think the scientific method fails when it comes to any scientific disciplines that contradict the stupid bible, like evolution, geology, and astronomy. Read an indepth article on the scientifc method and you will see why it is the best method for discovering what is true.
Jshect 3 weeks ago
@MrValidin YOu saying evolution is false would be like me going up to Stephen Hawking and saying "There are no such thing as black holes. I can't see them, so I know they don't exist. Plus my Holy book says they don't exist. You and Einstein are such idiots."
Jshect 3 weeks ago
@JoolsCaesar from moving. eeuh were do u get the idea that the water was unpure?? i dint think they had cars, factory's, and all the polluting things we use today. so i think the water was much purer then it is now and will ever be again. so can u see the actual malfunction when someone has shizophrenia? no so how do u know its not something else causing that??
MrValidin 3 months ago
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Water was unpure because it contains microbes and parasites.
JoolsCaesar 3 months ago
@JoolsCaesar well it does contains more now than then so still water was more pure than it is now.
MrValidin 3 months ago
@MrValidin What possible justification do you have for saying that?! It's flat out false. Water has less microbes in it now because we purify it.
JoolsCaesar 3 months ago
@JoolsCaesar what justification do u have to say the water was unpure then??
MrValidin 3 months ago
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@JoolsCaesar what justification do u have to say the water was unpure then??
MrValidin 3 months ago
Haha! The brain is in the mind, not the other way around!
satsumamoon 3 months ago
The digital form of genetic copying & paste accidentally came into existence because with so much time & so many planets, it was likely to happen somewhere, it only had to happen once then the copying & pasting began, yet the information was analogue in another sense that it could accidentally be edited and the best versions had a higher probability of survival.
The best life forms emerged and continue to evolve then panspermia spread it across the universe. that's my overall view.
deanmullen10 4 months ago
@deanmullen10 why would something happen with na reason or purpose?? and why would it only happen once? thats what u belief. u assume that. wich information was analogue? there wasnt any information.
MrValidin 3 months ago
@MrValidin Purpose and reason are two different things, purpose means meaningful, not everything happens for a purpose and there is a reason for the birth of life and that is of course down to probability, in my opinion. I've studied M-theory which suggests there is an infinite number of universes with different laws of physics, so most will be lifeless but a small fraction will be suitable for life and some will even see life form because its possible so it will happen in one of these universes
deanmullen10 3 months ago
@deanmullen10 what u say about multiple universes thats an assumptions. thats what u belief. that will never be a fact what ur stating there. what happens without a purpose then??
MrValidin 3 months ago
@MrValidin It's not an assumption. its a developed thought out theory, The theory of random existence of life is more probable. I find it hard to believe a god created consciousness. Because:
1. If god created consciousness because you think its too complex to exist w/o a creator to remain consistent surly you believe god had a creator as he is even more complex.
2. If god had a creator surly the creator was also created and so on forever, realizing there is no individual creator.
deanmullen10 3 months ago
@deanmullen10 if u would read the bible then u would know 1. tehre are 3 heavens. the third heaven is OUTSIDE the universe. so in our universe we got laws of nature that tell us certain things. and 1 of them is everything needs a beginning.
2. but god does NOT live INSIDE the universe but he lives outside the universe; so the laws that only apply IN the universe doe not apply to him. such as time neither. sheepherders wrote this down and i dont think the knew anything about these laws.
MrValidin 3 months ago
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@MrValidin Okay I understand your theory more clearly now but first of all to make such an extraordinary claim that its conceivable for magic to exist, heaven, exc. you need evidence, you can't say simply because you believe it, that is is true, so where is the evidence for this theory? I mean why do you have such a deep belief in a theory with lack of evidence? or is there evidence?
deanmullen10 3 months ago
@deanmullen10 i think tehre is more evidence for god then tehre is for evolution. the only thing what evolution show us are variations in the same kind and some other difficult stuff. but they dont show fossils that we can link to 2 totally different types of animals. because the fossil they show only get up classified false after years. tehre is evidence for god. but why do u think they dont show that in textbooks?? bcause they want everyone to believe in evolution. ;;
MrValidin 3 months ago
@deanmullen10 what they do with the evidence for god is simple. they put it in a basement so people wont know the truth and so they can keep us dumb. i dont say the sciencetists are the master minds behind this. the rich people are. if there is really no god like what they state. then we actually dont have any rights. so who can make our rights than? the one that has the money and the power to inslave us. evolution shows us that we are nothing more than animals with some brains. ..
MrValidin 3 months ago
@deanmullen10 so the rich people think they are the more evolved group of humans. so they think they can do with us (the lower evolved group) what they want. but that can only be achieved when u get rid of god. and thats what they are doing for years now. and its working on everyone except some people that actually research and read things about why and how and when the rich want to do some moves. did this answered ur questions?
MrValidin 3 months ago
@MrValidin no not really, you didn't answer it all. I asked for evidence of god and you just told me about oppression, if that is so then I am completely against oppression but note scientists are generally not trying to oppress religious beliefs but merely present what they have concluded from thought out studies.
Also for your statements on evolution that is not how it works, we don't have direct links other species such as frogs because first of all, lets say you go to the world 1 billion...
deanmullen10 3 months ago
@deanmullen10 i told u why tehre is no evidence for god. actually tehre is there is a museum in amerike. that provides evidence for god. drdinoDOTcom i thought it was. sciencetist arent oppresiong?? u dont watch tv and see all the evolution propaganda atm?
MrValidin 3 months ago
@MrValidin well there's more theists than there is athiests, and I haven't seen any of this evolution propoganda. we probably live in separate countries, but what exactly did those videos say that makes them propogandha? Also if your refering to documentaries, that's not propoghanda, that's a scientific programme, just as you find religious programmes.
deanmullen10 3 months ago
@deanmullen10 paul is propaganda, xmen is propaganda, and there are many other movies. u just need to realy see the movie to understand in wich scenes the propaganda is. i dont know if u know ben10?? de guy that can shapeshift because he has an alies device? propaganda.
MrValidin 3 months ago
@MrValidin what is an alies device? and what is it to do with atheism?
deanmullen10 3 months ago
@deanmullen10 u probably dont know the cartoon ben10. what it ahs to do with atheism is that children of prox 7 till 12 years or older watch those cartoons and many others but without knowing receiving information about evolution and that there is no god and such. so thats propaganda
MrValidin 3 months ago
@MrValidin well that's the people making the cartoons also what about children been told from birth that religion is a fact when it is not, that is also propaganda? I disagree with the propogandha in kids shows too but I'm pointing out, when it comes to stuff like that, they're equally as bad, how many kids shows show people praying to god for e.g.? a lot so I don't think its really propoganda just the storyline and perhaps opinions of the writers which is a general mix of theism & atheism
deanmullen10 3 months ago
@deanmullen10 u got a point there. but telling children that relegion is a fact is just to give them a start but they still have their own choice to choose what they want to believe. if u go on the street now and ask any person in what they believe i think there will be 80% telling there are either atheist or evolution believer and 20% that believes in diffrent kinds of religion. i can tell why diffrent religions are false but that will take to long except u really want me to. ...
MrValidin 3 months ago
@deanmullen10 there arent many shows left were they actually pray to god and if there are left then there will be evolution in aswell and evokution would be more point out then the praying would. i believe there is more atheism propaganda then there is theism. i can go and explain u that but it would take very long again xp except if u wnat me to then i will be glad to tell u but ill send a private message then because its quite a text xd
MrValidin 3 months ago
@MrValidin ha okay if you want to just PM it.
deanmullen10 3 months ago
@MrValidin years ago and u find 2 species, 1 species will evolve into a couple more & a couple more & yet another species would do so the same but the 2 species at the very start are linked yet the 1's to follow that aren't directly linked, u have to go back to the 2 initial species to find the link.
So a human is not related to a dinosaur cause u have to go back along time b4 a human ancestor & dinosaur ancestor were the same. U said theres more evidence for god just tell me the evidence then?
deanmullen10 3 months ago
@deanmullen10 lets say the 1 specie is a dog. then there would come more dogs after years and years. variated dogs perhaps. so diffrent from the first dogs but still they are dogs. same for every other animal on this planet. cat like animals will stay catlike animals. they will never become doglike. ape will be apes. there is a wide variation of apedlike animals. but they still are apes. the assumption thats scienctists make that we come from a fish or something is just an assumption. ....
MrValidin 3 months ago
@deanmullen10 how can i give u more proof?? id suggest that u search for urself. like i search for evidence for evolution. but not yet found any.
MrValidin 3 months ago
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deanmullen10 3 months ago
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@MrValidin okay but there's videos everywhere on evolution and I shall search for evidence of god but tbh I haven't found too much substantial and evolution has been more convincing for me, anyway's I know we have differences in beliefs but please note I hold nothing against you. The moral truth is more important than any other truth.
deanmullen10 3 months ago
I think if the brain were to evolve another few billion years, eventually consciousness would be so well evolved we would be able to control everything about our brain & body, rather than having so much done by sub-consciousness.
deanmullen10 4 months ago
@deanmullen10 Interesting hypothesis!
wollin20 3 months ago
@deanmullen10 Why wait? Do it now!
satsumamoon 3 months ago
I dont understand how some one as educated as this .. come up with .. such unlogical conclusions ?????? the rhetoric of evolution is a myth .. that is why they call it a theory .. so this sounds like a theory also ..
goodfellow67216 5 months ago
@goodfellow67216 The laws of gravity are also a theory... as is everything in science. As long as you don't come across with a better theory, then the science world will stick to this one.
And I think the speaker makes a very good case why intelligent design is not a good explanation, because the brain is crude and has lots of old parts, that a fresh new design just wouldn't need.
tokotokotoko3 5 months ago
@tokotokotoko3 not everything in science is a theory, evolution is a fact and theory just like gravity. i am on your side with evolution but giving creationists misinformation is the root of the problem in the first place
wearestarstuffsagan 4 months ago
@tokotokotoko3 wich parts of the brain are old then??
MrValidin 3 months ago
@MrValidin It's said that the brain evolved in layers - it is kinda like an onion, where the outer layers are new additions and the inner ones are the oldest parts. The actual spinal cord being the most basic one, then comes brain stem (which evolved hundreds of millions of years ago, the reptile brain consists only of that) and then cerebellum and so on. Humans are unique with their huge prefrontal crotex, most animals don't even have that.
tokotokotoko3 3 months ago
@tokotokotoko3 its said. not proven. so thats what u belief actually? and i dont think the brain evolved. if it did then we couldnt use many things. and again u cant say that we come from reptiles because tehre is no proof for. so again thats something u belief. not a fact
MrValidin 3 months ago
@MrValidin That's science - and it's proven. Even if one person would be a brain surgeon one couldn't find all this out alone. Sometimes you have to rely on the peer reviewed data of other people. Sorry, when I answered I thought you were interested - but obviously you just have some agenda.
If you rather believe some random stories some sheep herders wrote down thousand years ago, then have at it.
tokotokotoko3 3 months ago
@tokotokotoko3 well try read those sheep herders book there are scientific laws in tehre that ur scienctist discovered some 150 eyars ago. but weird those scheepherders knew those things thousands of years ago mmh did man got dumber and dumber with the years??
MrValidin 3 months ago
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@MrValidin You have to decide what you want: Either claim that science is bunk, or the bible is scientifically proven. You can't have it both ways.
Besides, the book is also claiming we should kill all gays, any non-virgin that marries... and everyone carrying a stick on a Sunday. So if you don't do those things, you don't really care about the bible either.
You're not consequent in any way.
tokotokotoko3 3 months ago
@tokotokotoko3 thats old testament -.- . and that only applied to the jews. but with the coming of jesus u can work on sunday for he did the same.
MrValidin 3 months ago
@MrValidin You're seriously telling me that nothing in the old testament applies to Christians? Wow.
And by that extent - are you saying that you would have to follow any ridicules rule I would find in the new testament?
You better not challenge my there, it might highlight the lies you live by.
tokotokotoko3 3 months ago
@tokotokotoko3 ur probably a jew ever wondered why jews are always the ones that get picked on and get slaughterd by every high power??? maybe thats because u didnt listen to god and didnt wanted a savior that talked but 1 that fought for u. tahts why u guys deny jesus all this time just because he did not defeated the romans like u guys wanted him to do. 1 word selfish
MrValidin 3 months ago
@MrValidin You didn't answer any of my questions. But I understand why they scare you. Its always hard to question oneself.
I'm glad though that the suffering of other people helps you feel superior again.
tokotokotoko3 3 months ago
@tokotokotoko3 i dont feel suprior. the only thing i feel is pitty for everyone that questions god. how sure are u that what the rabbi's are telling about jesus is not real? maybe it is and then gods wrath is upon u? maybe thats why all the arabic lands and in the future the whole world will go to war against israel. there are enough storys in the old testament how god left the jewish people when they did not listened to him. and did what they thought was right.
MrValidin 3 months ago
@MrValidin If the Muslim god is turns out to be real, you will feel that god's wrath for falsely believing in the divinity of Jesus. How much sleep do you lose over this? Well I feel the same way about your god.
The bible is the number one fiction best seller. It is not a history book.
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@JoolsCaesar u know how islam has been formed?? mohammed was thought about catholic ways by a chatolic woman, she wanted him to spread the word of god into the arab lands. but it turned out to have failed. i dont know if u know but if the bible is a fiction book why is it that there were sciencetific laws written in it thousands years ago??
MrValidin 3 months ago
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Yeah, none of that changes the fact that if you believe in the divinity of Jesus (we're talking son of god, not just prophet), you are damning yourself in Islam.
You mean like how pi = 3? Wrong.
Why would the bible having correlations with reality stop it being a fiction book? A lot of what happens in Harry Potter is true. The laws of physics are usually observed when magic is not involved. A lot of the settings involved are real e.g. London. It's fiction.
JoolsCaesar 3 months ago
@JoolsCaesar yea o dont care if i damn myself in islam. islam has been brought forth out of jewish belief. so i wonder why god would write 2 books?? in the torah he writes all this and in the qu'ran he write different thins? no muhammed interpret his own thoughts into the qu'ran. no i dont mean how pi = 3. i mean how they knew that the earth was round, that the earth does not have an attachment to stay hanging in space. did harry potter ever existed? no thats fiction. i believe god exist ...
MrValidin 3 months ago
@JoolsCaesar and that the people who wrote the bible existed. so that means its an history book. not fiction. bible explains how the laws were formed. ok wich examples then? there is much scientific knowledge in the bible that sciencetist discover a few 150 - 200 years ago. wich incorrect science??
MrValidin 3 months ago
@MrValidin There plenty of examples in the bible where scientific laws are violated in impossible ways. There is no scientific knowledge in the Bible that was not known by the people of the times. There is however incorrect science that was even known to be false at the time, just not in the primitive places the Bible orginated from.
JoolsCaesar 3 months ago
@MrValidin If you're trying to interpret parts of the bible to have predicted scientific knowledge through revelation, you can stop right now. Predictions after the fact aren't worth a damn. You can always predict yesterdays headlines from a chinese menu, but you can't predict tomorrow's.
JoolsCaesar 3 months ago
@JoolsCaesar not predicted already known by god and just given to man. yea i dont think people could see microbes or bacteria 2000 years ago but still bible says to wash urself with running water after touching something unpure. so u wont be infected by little beast.
MrValidin 3 months ago
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Are you completely ignorant of how many people died trying to convince the christian church that the earth is round, and that it orbits the sun, not the other way round and that earth is one of many planets, and that witches don't exist, that disease are to blame for a lot of our problems and that killing them is not attacking god's will.
JoolsCaesar 3 months ago
@MrValidin Do you know who write the Bible? If you're thinking Matthew, Mark and John etc, I'm sorry but they were probably dead by the time the Bible was written. This makes it a bit more understandable that "their stories" didn't correlate with history...
JoolsCaesar 3 months ago
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The nativity story: year 1, King Herod killing all the baby boys and Governor Quirinius calling a census. Bull. King Herod died 5 years before this. Maybe the bible got the year a bit wrong? Sorry, Quirinius was appointed Governer 5 years later, 10 years after Herod's death. So yeah, this took place in a period of history that did not exist. Fiction.
JoolsCaesar 3 months ago
@JoolsCaesar Oh yeah and no historians even mentioned the census, never mind the supposed infanticide.
JoolsCaesar 3 months ago
@JoolsCaesar can in see ur source?
MrValidin 3 months ago
@MrValidin If your talking about the round earth thing, there are many different sources, because it was known be many significant figures of ancient Greece. Aristotle for example observed that certain stars could be seen in egypt and cyprus but not in the northern regions, so he said the earth must be spherical because this is the only thing that would account for it.
JoolsCaesar 3 months ago
@MrValidin There are probably thousands of religions - chances are, you're still wrong.
But you also prove that your god is not nice, he forces you to believe - with eternal punishment. It is a spineless choice to follow it - even if he would exist, I would prefer to defy such evil.
Also - notice how you again avoided answering the questions. You are trapped man. Trapped. And you make it too easy - thats why a actual intelligent discussion with a religious fundamentalist is not possible.
tokotokotoko3 3 months ago
@tokotokotoko3 ill answer ur questions. old testament apllies to jews and to the strange people that live together with the jews in israel. i dont live in israel so i dont have to follow old testament but the new.
i would definitly have to follow every rule thats in the new testament. but i will never succeed to follow them all for i am just a human. thats the reason why jesus died for us to take our sins fromt hen and from now on him. without him no-one would earn the right to go to heaven.
MrValidin 3 months ago