whether or not you see the corruption that is more common than this particular case, you have to see the contrived idiocy that serves as thinly veiled excuses for starting and perpetuating these wars. as nurbenzin said, the sheepdog metaphor is self-defeating. even "one of the most idiotic people" can see the demise of our constitutional rights in the escalation of fascist policy. i may one day respect the military when the empire is withdrawn and the republic is restored. for now i only fear.
i admit that my generalizations are crass, but there are no excuses for this war or for the behavior that is promoted in the military. as a citizen of a country that is wrongful in its foreign policy, one is wrongful for volunteering his or her service to that policy. imperialism does not protect the people of our country. it only makes things worse for us by vilifying our nation WORLDWIDE.
The sheer stupidity of the comments on here are astounding. Murderers, cowards, pigs, you dipshits don't know the first thing about putting yourself in harms way. They're good sheepdogs, they protect all you sheep out there. Even though the sheep don't like them being there, they are there to fend off the wolves so you can go occupy wallstreet. returnofbeaux you especially are one of the most idiotic people I have come across and this being the internet says a lot. My congrats to you sir.
@mamiller1980 What is it with the whole Sheep/ Sheepdog metaphor? As far as I'm concerned there is no need for creating an animal-based microcosm for any man's actions. If it is true, that soldiers are wolves and regular civilians are sheep then is it not implied that we are all being used by a farmer? That's why the whole sheep/dog/wolf crap seems so useless to me. Honestly, all of those involved are people, let's leave it at that.
@mamiller1980 I never had an Iraqe wolf ever threaten me or anyone I know. Sadam nor anyone from his country threatened my freedom of speech or my rights to carry arms, however my own government has done this to me. What makes you think these innocent people that were killed were coming to kill Americans and our soldiers had to kill them?
Convention IV Art. 5 Where in the territory of a Party to the conflict, the latter is satisfied that an individual protected person is definitely suspected of or engaged in activities hostile to the security of the State, such individual person shall not be entitled to claim such rights and privileges under the present Convention as would, if exercised in the favour of such individual person, be prejudicial to the security of such State.
@tylerdurden101591 I will not insult your lack of intelligence, you do that to yourself quite well already. There is no denying two reporters are in the video, but if you open your eyes and shut your cock hole you will see the rest of the men there have weapons. Are you sheltered to the point that you have no idea what weapons are?
@tylerdurden101591 I didn't dispute the fact that the 2 reporters were carrying cameras. However, the 6 other men with the reporters had AK-47s and at least 1 RPG shell which was confirmed by the BDA. The reporters gambled with their live with men that didn't obey the weapons curfew. Its sad, but by no means a war crime.
@jacklegg21 It is a financial inconvenience for reporters to give too much or positive info regarding these situations. Most people thrive on others pain, it is unfortunate. It is also unfortunate because those guys on the ground seldom come home the same.. Things like this are the shadows of war that remain until way after the conflict is over. I agree with you, most commentators forget to mention a whole lot more.
Americans killing civilians walking the streets in there own country again.
Reminds me of the Jason Lemieux Marine story “During the April offensive of 2004 in Anbar province my commander issued an ordered “Anybody on the streets was an enemy combatant” A couple of weeks later my commander told me over 100 enemy had been killed and that included anybody walking down the streets in their own city."
@inde169 There's also nothing courageous about posing as a civilian and killing troops, IEDs and suicide bombings. Those civilians were armed and knew there was a weapons curfew in effect. The knew what they were getting into.
@tylerdurden101591 Again, look at the 6 guys with the reporters. They were carrying weapons after curfew after US ground forces were attacked less than 1km away. Its sad that civilians got killed, but that's war. For the record I don't think we should be there at all, but the troops acted acoording to the ROE they were given and didn't violate the Geneva Conventions or the Hauge.
@jacklegg21 yes ROE was violated, ROE states you must be fired upon and it must be clearly visible who fired upon you, the idea of the air-force and snipers are both against the geneva convention.
@derkleineoctopus ROE is up to the unit command, generally. They aren't codified like the Conventions or the Hague.There was an engagement less than 1 km away from the first site in the video. The pilots identified those carrying weapons as having taken part in that assault on US troops. That is in line with the Hague Rules of Air Warfare (The Geneva Conventions say nothing about actual combat, be it snipers or air forces).
At 19:25 the ground forces confirm the RPG/ammunition. From the prospective of the troops in the helicopter, it does appear that some of the individuals on the ground had Ak47s...the RPG being there cannot be disputed. In the end, this was a tragedy because there was collateral damage...but the troops acted well within the bounds of the rules of engagement
@atlas1171 I agree. At least three of those guys had AK-47's and one of them definitely had an RPG and was even pointing it at the helicopter for a moment. That's what you do in war. You see the enemy and if they have the means to fight you then you take them out.
Wtf everyones problem the US military shots on anyone that chooses to fuck with them if they wanted to carry guns it was there choice so they took a nice little dumper on there faces
@masongbaird its a constitutional right to bear arms in the good ol' u.s.a does that mean each and every individual should be gunned down? America has invaded this country, they had no factual information that these people fired upon were hostiles and if they were carrying weapons they have every right to as they're in a hostile enviroment and protection may be required. If you were a civilian in an invaded country you would do the same.
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vote down ignorant comments on here that try to sway public opinion away from the facts....this war is about money at the cost of human life....If this particular case is justified or not will never change the fact that the ENTIRE war is unjust itself....war IS terrorism with political sanction.....nothing more....nothing less
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@OneStrangeWorld ak's are legal in iraq. Rpg's arent, rpg are only for anti armour. And in the beginning over the radio u hear them talk bout taking rpg fire, thus u fire ob site when u see a rpg.
@fimatmax that van was transporting the terrorists u saw getting shot. The kids were just a human shield. O and in the beginning of the vid u can hear over the radio soldiers describe that van had combatants in it so stfu.
you sick fucks i hope your hunted by the images of the dead for the rest of your miserable lives the van was evacuating wounded. no weapons just murder
anybody could see not one weapon. revaling in their death just adds to the sick twisted justification of this illegal bloody thirsty rampage i hope everyone involved in this suffers some form of cancer and dies painfully in your shitty country poor and alone. the usa = terrorism
Casualties of War... Thats What Happens When You Point A RpG At us and Carry AK47... Do You know how many innocent Women & Kids Those Crazy People who strap bombs on to them and walk in to crowds Kill?
@petelovesrat what was it a flag with a peace sign,,, U people are all week Individuals If you dont understand what happens in War.. Is it Fair No but guess what it happens,,
I'm an American and I'm disgusted by this.Unfortunately a lot of American's are clueless thanx to our shitty media. If our country woke up and took witness to what was really going on then the decent part of the American population wouldn't of supported this war. We should of never went there to begin with. I cannot blame people for trying to fight back. We're creating terrorist by acting like terrorist.It's a disgrace.I feel horrible for all the innocent lives that were taken. [cont.]
@AnAddictsEmpathy [cont.] All of this could of and should of been prevented. All of those men who were laughing and making jokes like they were playing some video game while they're hunting down and shooting innocents just makes me sick. We shouldn't be protecting these people or giving them praise. They should be kicked out from the military. Over and over they were on the edges of their seats just waiting to kill someone. Asking again and again for allowance..& unfortunately they were given it
What have you done!!! those people did not do anything! they did not even open fire! how could you?! they are humans, why are you making it like games!! its cruel! well i dont even see you shoot somebody that has weapons in america and almost every house has guns! why dont you go around and shoot those people?
@s4210179 An informed analysis of this video reveals that an RPG was visable at the 2:09 segment.
The minivan was first visable at the 0:39 segment - dropping militants off at the al Amin Mosque.
Namir was taking a photo of a US humvee target with the antitank rocket beside him.
Insurgents use children in the front seat as human shields (knowing that the US won't shoot) It might have worked here - but the thermal imaging doesn't see through glass
@fuzzywuzy agree, im glad to see someone here who doesnt buy into this shit. And i like how everyother video on youtube of this cuts the first segment (the part with the van and the mosque, the one you point out). Just shows how people twist the truth for their own anti america agenda.
@PSCreativeGaming I don't blame them, They are not trained to assess a threat and would hesitate at the moment of truth - resulting in the occupants of the Humvee (Namir was taking a photo of) getting blown to bits.
Many Anti-war revel at that thought - but I do not share their opinions.
They don't know what an RPG looks like and they haven't seen the insurgency attack from a playground or a school - but they self rightously love to point fingers and say how deplorable we are
@fuzzywuzy you arabic? Do you think this is "murder?" Who can be this stupid to pick up enemies who have been engaged by us forces with their kids in the car? This just shows how crazy those jihadis are. Its really depressing.
@tnolte I think it's the same film, but well after the 12 were massacred. We're shown a couple of guys, Iraqis, walking into some building that gets pulverized by the sick US forces, and we see that the two Iraqis were carrying rifles or AK-47s, whatever. This was another criminal attack by US forces, for Iraqis have a right to self-defence, but we can nevertheless see that the camers of the 2 Reuters reporters don't look anything like the AK-47s or any rifle, ...
@mikecorbeil For that video, people need to look or search for the "Collateral Murder" video clip of 39 minutes, however. We see a second or two in what's shown in this video from TheRealNews, but too little, so people need to refer to the "Collateral Murder" video, the full one anyway.
This is with re. to the couple of Iraqis eventually seen entering a building while clearly carrying rifles, guns, AK-47s, whatever they were, but which Iraqis had the right to use for defence against aggression.
@mikecorbeil Yes, Iraqi's have the right to carry rifles and pistols for self defense - but RPG antitank rockets are illegal and to carry one loaded is, by definition, an armed militant threat. The RPG is clearly visable at 2:09
I also question the wisdom of patrolling the streets during an ongoing street battle - is that self defense?
The minivan was visable at the 0:39 segment. Why would they hang out for 7 minutes (after dropping off the militants) with the children exposed?
@fuzzywuzy Iraqis, in the midst of war of aggression, which is what this war has ALWAYS been, including during 2002 when Washington was "only" threatening to commit this war, gives every Iraqi the right to carry and use whatever weapons he or she has or can get his or her hands onto. It's NOT at all for poulations of war-making govts to decide what weapons the attacked population has a right to!
Get off of the Washington school bench and then get into the REAL world, I suggest.
@fuzzywuzy But, there was also no fighting going on where the group of 12 Iraqis, including 2 Reuters journalists, were located. We clearly see this in the video and some US troops who were some blocks away with their unit or units said that they weren't in the location where the 12 Iraqis were.
People also need to understand that this war is entirely by Washington, Wall Street, ..., ie, USA, making from the start, to the end; bunch of extreme and psycho criminals!
@fuzzywuzy The war, including "only" the 2002 threat of committing it, has always been criminal, unconstitutional, and so on. U.S. forces basically have NO rights when serving wars of aggression, which is what this war has always been; ALWAYS.
Tell your neighbours that they don't have a right to defend themselves against murderers, rapists, and so on, and criminal govt; and see what reaction you then get.
@fuzzywuzy What the hell are you talking about, trying to whitewash HELLBENT Washington and NATO, are you? Don't try that with me. You'ld be wasting both your and my time. Ray McGovern is absolutely right.
watch?v=aOIPGRUL1CU
No, I don't worship him, but he's absolutely right and far more experienced than dodos like you are.
There was no genocide in Rwanda; it's all propaganda.
Keith Harmon Snow, ConsciousBeingAlliance . com, and AllThingsPass . com for his archive.
@fuzzywuzy There wasn't a genocide in Darfur. Again, refer to Keith Harmon Snow's website, the CBA one, and globalresearch . ca. If you disagree with them, then provide supporting evidence. People like you never do that tho.
And the genocide of Armenians isn't our problem to solve, resolve, compensate for, etc.
Stick to your own personal affairs, mowing your lawn, etc., and refrain from supporting hellbent criminal Washington et al.
@tnolte The RPG is clearly visible at the 2:09 segment and Namir was taking a picture of a US Humvee. The van was first seen at the 0:39 segment and it stuck around for 7 minutes during a street battle with children in the front windshield.
I think it is ironic that some folks can't comprehend the insurgency using children as human shields. If the children were visable, before the shooting, it may have worked again.
@PSCreativeGaming No, the "jihadis" are far from being crazy as the USA and its criminal allies are! I'm sure you believe in the right to self-defence, certainly for yourself and family, friends, ..., anyway, but you deny this right to people our govt forces genocidally attack?
@mikecorbeil The RPG, visable at the 2:09 segment is not for self defense. It is an anti tank rocket made for one purpose - anti armor capability. Since the US is the only people using armor it is, ipso facto, an anti US weapon and they are militants who use children as human shields.
Why would anyone place their children in the front windshield during a street battle? After it was first visible at the 0:39 segment, it stuck around for 7 minutes while all this happened.
@fuzzywuzy Yes, now I see the rifle or whatever an AK-47 is, but it was only one or two Iraqis, not 12 people, and 12 people were murdered, butchered! Also, Iraqis had and still have the right to fight to defend themselves against aggression, while no one has any right whatsoever to commit aggression, but the USA and NATO do it with total impunity, because they don't care about law and human rights!
So, ok, you're right, but very little; and extremely wrong in all other senses.
@fuzzywuzy Nothing is visible at 0:39, besides a large area of buildings!
Face it guy, you're completely unfit for service in any military force, because your judgement is against our laws and sanity. I enlisted in and received training and ed. from the USN, so I know what the primary oath is, and you and people like you clearly do totally disregard our oath. Constitutionally speaking, I could terminate you without it being a crime; constitutionally! I don't go that far.
Of the 12 Iraqis killed, only 2 are seen with AK47s, which Iraqis have every right to bear. 2 of 12 carrying guns is far more likely to be for defence in case of attack, than it is for attacking others when 10 of your group are unarmed.
Your medals are totally worthless and there's hardly a stronger example of hypocrisy and hegemony than Washington is.
Fool me once, shame on you, fool me again, shame on me.
@mikecorbeil You have to take up the criminality of the war with the UN Resolution 1441 or the US Law passed by Congress, reviewd by the Supreme Court and signed by the President. If you are the king of the earth to disagree.
The Iraqi's do not have the right to bear RPG-7 anti-tank rockets, katyushas, explosive vehicles, mortars or 155mm artillary.
The RPG-7 is seen loaded at the 2:09 segment and the photographers were very interested in an unremarkable photo of a US humvee.
@fuzzywuzy I don't have to take up anything. You're extremely mis- or dis-informed. The U.S. Congress never declared war on Iraq and only the Congress has that authority, according to foundational laws of the USA.
Iraqis have every right in the world to shoot or throw whatever they want at enemy forces from foreign forces that conduct AGGRESSION.
i hope that it happens to the USA, BIG TIME, to be able to then see how all idiots like you will then act. Many of you would probably FLEE.
@mikecorbeil The Constitution is my primary duty to preserve. Use of force was condoned, unanimously, by UNSC Res 1441. It was Constitutionally enacted by Congress as Public Law No: 107-243 and was upheld by the US Supreme Court.
As far as unfit for service, at least I defend the honorable men and women who overthrew a dictator, brought them a real election, stopped a genocide and a civil war.
We will see if the Iraqi people can take it from there - they didn't protest like others
@fuzzywuzy You're an ass and are unfit for US military service, because you adhere to neither sane ethics, nor the US Constitution, and international laws, treaties, etc., that we're co-signatory to. It isn't a kiddy like you who'll be persuasive, so you can cease trying to be.
@mikecorbeil Yes, at least I have the ethics not to cuss anyone who disagree's with me. At least I know the Constitution and I understand that the Iraq was was enacted by Congress and Constitutionally enacted to law.
I also know the Geneva Conventions: To be even a defacto belligerent, you have to visibly identify yourself as a combatant to be protected under the Conventions. The insurgency fills the criteria of spies and sabotuers.
@fuzzywuzy You're schizo. The US Congress never declared war, not for a very long time now, and definitely not for the war on Iraq. You're hallucinating. For the war on Iraq, the Congress signed the authorization for recourse to war on Iraq, but based on two conditions that Iraq had to meet, and Iraq did. And the Congress had no justification in even doing this, but it wasn't declaration of war, for it was conditional.
@PSCreativeGaming Nope, I'm not Arab - but I was an Arabic translator. No, I don't think it was Murder. Namir got spectacular photos by embedding with insurgent handlers. The photo he was shown taking a picture of was of a US Humvee - while a man with an RPG was right beside him.
The van was first seen dropping off insurgents at the 0:39 segment and it stuck around, during a street battle, for 7 minutes with children in the front window.
@PSCreativeGaming No, I'm not Arabic - I was an Arabic translator in Iraq from 2003-2004 and 2005-2007. I logged over 70,000 miles on the ground and know the country like the back of my hand.
My momma' didn't raise a torturer or a murderer and, frankly, that is something that the Islamists do (including using children as human shields)
I would be the first to report murder and torture to the Inspector General and the troops are obligated to do so
@iseannsteve That is an ignorant and offensive remark. Because you cannot see human shields through thermal imagery, and a disaster happens, you are still on a mission defending your ground troops - who are being attacked... That is the reason the helicopters were called in the first place.
You have to shake that off and get your head back into the mission at hand. It doesn't mean that they were less than human or that the gunners were particularly callous.
@fuzzywuzy No US forces were being attacked proximate to the location where the 12 people, Iraqis and 2 Reuters journalists, were butchered without any just cause, for none of them represented any danger, except from being alive and on a street in the midst of a war of totally criminal aggression. If a country attacks yours, then do you think you have a right to defence? Definitely. But, you deny the same right to others. Typical ass*hole American.
@mikecorbeil Yes they were being attacked. This is really a no brainer. Helicopters do not normally accompany ground infantry - but are called when they are needed. The ground troops alerted the helicopter to the direction that the fire was coming from - near al Amin, East Baghdad Mosque. The helicopter transmission starts off spotting the black minivan by that Mosque - dropping off armed insurgents.
A photographer was taking a pic of a US humvee target and his pal had an RPG.
@WardyProductions Really fuck america! That guy with what looked to be an rpg could have killed those soldiers. Put yourself in their shoes you douche bag!!!! They had weapons and therefore they could be shot at. And if your American then you make me fucking sick you bastard!!! To fucking say that about the country you live in!! Fuck you and your family for saying that you unpatriotic bitch fuck you!!!!!
@mikecorbeil You have to read the 5 paragraph order of the helecopter crew and why they were pulled off of a previous mission. The ground troops were conducting a "cordon and search" mission for illegal weapons - when they came under small arms and RPG attacks.
Yes, as bad as you deny it, this was an ongoing street battle in this area. The minivan was identified by ground troops and was spotted by the helicopter at the 0:39 segment.
@fuzzywuzy Not only that, there was a curfew in effect for Baghdad where no civilians were supposed to be carrying weapons after dark. I don't agree with the war, but calling this a war crime is ridiculous.
@jacklegg21 Ok, I believe you are a fucking moron. Now this may not be true, but those were fucking cameras. If you are incapable of telling the difference between a fucking camera and a weapon you should not fire.
@tylerdurden1015912:08 - 2:13. Those must be cameras disguised as AK rifles. 31:22 I guess that guy was walking into that building with an AK-camera, right? The same building that ground forces reported being attacked from 300 meters southwest of their position? So apparently you can't tell the difference between a gun and no gun. Check and mate.
@fuzzywuzy Think of this in the American sense, if someone in America fired off some rounds at someone else, and the local law enforcement comes into search for weapons, does that mean everyone found with a firearm can be killed without question? Sure the right to bear arms doesn't cover the bigger weapons, but this isn't America, either.
This is an entirely FOREIGN country where US laws DON'T apply.
@fuzzywuzy wrote in reply to seannsteve, "That is an ignorant and offensive remark. ..."
And that, little boy, is a heck of a pompous, self-righteous attitude that you express. You defend totally criminal war of aggression that was never and never will be justifiable.
Sorry butthead, but I was in the USN in the 1970s and know that you're extremely wrong.
Constitutionally, we have a duty to defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and people like you are domestic enemies!
@mikecorbeil Glad you are the only one who seems to think so. And what, may I ask did you do to stop it? Threaten people? Grandstand? Arrogantly misinterpret the Constitution to your liking?
Jefferson wanted Congress to approve of America's first foreign war (Barbary Coast 1801) Congress would not put it to vote - but suggested that he use the powers of Commander in Chief to engage the Barbary Pirates and the Amir of Tripoli.
@fuzzywuzy I'm the only who who seems to think what, dodo? And what are you talking about when asking me what I did to stop it, whatever it is?
You're the one who grotesquely misinterprets the US Constitution, butthead. Most Americans are against the continuation of these wars, but genocide is something you never have enough pleasure of committing, so you must continue to support it being committed indefinitely, against the US Constitution. I wish you what you do to others.
Regardless of your views on this, the war, killing, and death in general; The fact is on September 11th 2001 there were 2977 deaths caused by the hijackers who were funded by terrorist groups in the middle east. I would rather kill them in their homes than in my own. By keeping them busy in they're backyard we keep them out of ours. EVERY death is a tragedy. These men could be our fathers, uncles, brothers, or best friends. But the fact is if we didn't take it to them they'd take it to us.
@acbronstein Yes, but cell phones don't let you see body heat images in the dark at 10,000 meters. That's why the gunners couldn't see the children through the windshield.
this sickens me. the only real reason Bush went to war with iraq is because he wanted finish what "daddy" started. honestly i was really angry at the taliban for bombing the twin towers but we could have saved thousands of lives if we didnt have a redneck president to fuck america over.....
I had to click off @ 9:00... "And I saw the Lord standing at the alter, and h said to me. "Strike the top of the pillars so that the threshold may shake....bringing down the roofs on all the evil bastards.." My soul is heaving.. I can feel a GREAT EARTHQUAKE coming! Be vigilant my people.. woe be onto the wicked!!
@fuzzywuzy You are missing the overriding point of the matter, THE UNITED STATE+S HAD NO BUSINESS IN IRAQ IN THE VERY FIRST INSTANT. they are in other people's land ON FALSE PRETEXT. What the hell are you going to do when the Chinese military BEGIN TO OCCUPY AMERICAN SOIL? I can bet my life that you would fight to the death, unless you are a coward who would run and hide in that rat hole in the basement.. YOU ARE WITNESSING COLD BLOOD MURDER! There is NO justification for ASSASSINATING rescuers!
@phylosophycalwisdom You criticize without following the links or displaying critical thought. The van delivered armed militants, (2:09) of al Moqowma fee Baghdadi, to the East Baghdad Mosque and appears doing so at the 0:39 segment. They used children as human shields by placing them high in the front seat - where ground troops would see them.
You are a big fan of Saddam Hussein (the Butcher) and stab our verterans in the back irregardless of UN Resolution 1441 Your knowlege is selective.
@fuzzywuzy why the hell would i want to see ANY evidence or link you send when I already told you that THE UNITED STATES AND ALLIES HAD NO BUSINESS IN IRAQ IN THE FIRST PLACE. They are in Iraq under FALSE PRETEXT,, that many ANY/ ALL USA actions in Iraq ILLEGAL, and it justifies any and all actions taken by the Iraqis.. What will you do if China come to occupy your town on the grounds that the USA owes them trillions in debt which they cannot pay? At least it would be a legitimate occupation
@phylosophycalwisdom When you see criminal insurgents injured - you don't let them escape. The US will offer medical treatment. Anyone assisting in their escape will be stopped (one way or another). Those "rescuers" were accomplices.
The helicopter crew acted very well in identifying the threat. Namir was taking a picture of a US Humvee target while his comrade was beside him with a loaded RPG (anti-Tank rocket)
Do you ever wonder how Namir got such spectacular pics? The right place and time?
@fuzzywuzy what a waste of my time it was responding to you in the first place. What a useless conversation.. It is obvious that you are trying to justify the actions of these assassins who are in NO danger from the CITIZENS. you can try from now until your god or whoever it is that you believe in come, you will NEVER convince me, nor can you justify to me the actions of those thirsty murderers. So give up trying to convince me and go confess to the pope or Jesus Christ.. I have heard enough BYE
This just shows that you are closed minded and not interested in prima facie evidence - you talk about things that you have no real knowlege of.
"THE UNITED STATES AND ALLIES HAD NO BUSINESS IN IRAQ IN THE FIRST PLACE. They are in Iraq under FALSE PRETEXT"
The American War in Iraq was very legal and voted unanimously by UNSC Res 1441 and approved by the US Congress. Your opinion does not trump that of the entire world.
@phylosophycalwisdom "It is obvious that you are trying to justify the actions of these assassins who are in NO danger from the CITIZENS"
You may be under the assumption that once a guerilla takes off a uniform - they are innocent civilians. Since the invasion, 113,125 people have suffered violent deaths in Iraq. 88% of those deaths are the result of opportunistic crime, revenge killing, tribal bloodfeud, sectarian, ethnic, political militias, foreign jihadists and anti-occupation. US is needed
@fuzzywuzy I said I would not respond to you, but I think this is worth the excruciating pain of replying. DON'T! Throughout all your rambling, I have not read one word from you about the innocent boys and girl who were sent over there to butcher and be butchered, and those who committed suicide and those suffering from PSD. There are more suicides from Iraqi veterans, than were killed in battle.. THEY KNEW THE TRUTH. But I do not hear one word from you in their honor, you honor assassination,
@phylosophycalwisdom The reason that I have posted comment is because I was an American soldier who pulled two tours (27 months: 2003-2004 and 2005-2006) in Iraq as an Arab translator.
I initially learned Farsi (Iranian) because I have Middle Easterners in my extended family and I volunteered to ensure that the US would not use a heavy hand. As a translator, I went on over 600 reactionary force missions and logged over 70,000 miles on the ground. To call it a video game is a shallow assumption.
I Love United States of America, F*** RagHeads!
Proficiiency 1 week ago
34:37 omg
fletchis1 1 week ago 2
whether or not you see the corruption that is more common than this particular case, you have to see the contrived idiocy that serves as thinly veiled excuses for starting and perpetuating these wars. as nurbenzin said, the sheepdog metaphor is self-defeating. even "one of the most idiotic people" can see the demise of our constitutional rights in the escalation of fascist policy. i may one day respect the military when the empire is withdrawn and the republic is restored. for now i only fear.
returnofbeaux 1 week ago
i admit that my generalizations are crass, but there are no excuses for this war or for the behavior that is promoted in the military. as a citizen of a country that is wrongful in its foreign policy, one is wrongful for volunteering his or her service to that policy. imperialism does not protect the people of our country. it only makes things worse for us by vilifying our nation WORLDWIDE.
returnofbeaux 1 week ago
Blatant mass murder.
Zaxxen69 1 week ago
The sheer stupidity of the comments on here are astounding. Murderers, cowards, pigs, you dipshits don't know the first thing about putting yourself in harms way. They're good sheepdogs, they protect all you sheep out there. Even though the sheep don't like them being there, they are there to fend off the wolves so you can go occupy wallstreet. returnofbeaux you especially are one of the most idiotic people I have come across and this being the internet says a lot. My congrats to you sir.
mamiller1980 1 week ago
@mamiller1980 What is it with the whole Sheep/ Sheepdog metaphor? As far as I'm concerned there is no need for creating an animal-based microcosm for any man's actions. If it is true, that soldiers are wolves and regular civilians are sheep then is it not implied that we are all being used by a farmer? That's why the whole sheep/dog/wolf crap seems so useless to me. Honestly, all of those involved are people, let's leave it at that.
TheNurbenzin 1 week ago
@mamiller1980 I never had an Iraqe wolf ever threaten me or anyone I know. Sadam nor anyone from his country threatened my freedom of speech or my rights to carry arms, however my own government has done this to me. What makes you think these innocent people that were killed were coming to kill Americans and our soldiers had to kill them?
MrBullfrog9876 3 days ago
Things are hard to see in the fog of war.
afrodawg01 1 week ago
@afrodawg01 Not a very good excuse, try again....
MrBullfrog9876 3 days ago
this is why i refer to you american soldiers as "murderous swine." fucking pigs.
returnofbeaux 2 weeks ago
@returnofbeaux Don't be one-sided.
cadmus98 1 week ago
@cadmus98 you're right, man. all soldiers and policemen are fucking pigs. "Force attracts men of low morality."
returnofbeaux 1 week ago
@returnofbeaux That's not what I meant (though I guess you don't care).
cadmus98 1 week ago
Fucking Cowards!!! heros ? my ass motherfuckers.
keebo9 2 weeks ago
I want to know when insurgents ever followed the Geneva convention., Anyone have that one for me?
CountvonMemolonivs 3 weeks ago
Convention IV Art. 5 Where in the territory of a Party to the conflict, the latter is satisfied that an individual protected person is definitely suspected of or engaged in activities hostile to the security of the State, such individual person shall not be entitled to claim such rights and privileges under the present Convention as would, if exercised in the favour of such individual person, be prejudicial to the security of such State.
CountvonMemolonivs 3 weeks ago
@ tylerdurden101591 Accepted, we all have our ups and downs.
CountvonMemolonivs 3 weeks ago
LOL don't see the usual members of the Youtube U.S military here
stunteddevelopment1 3 weeks ago
Oh and here are your cameramen and what their purpose is, look up "Iraqi Insurgent Videos Report-Iraq"
CountvonMemolonivs 3 weeks ago
@tylerdurden101591 The play by play: I took the liberty of changing the term weapons for camera just for you.
1:38 2 cameramen visible and in plain sight
2:04 I see 2-3 insurgents carrying AK 47 "cameras"
2:44 guy peeking around the corner with a tube like "camera"
13:55 soldiers show up to the scene carrying M9, M4 "cameras"
31:10-31:22 two guys walking down the street carrying ammo vest on their chest, you can clearly see the magazine of an AK47 "camera".
CountvonMemolonivs 3 weeks ago
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@tylerdurden101591 I will not insult your lack of intelligence, you do that to yourself quite well already. There is no denying two reporters are in the video, but if you open your eyes and shut your cock hole you will see the rest of the men there have weapons. Are you sheltered to the point that you have no idea what weapons are?
CountvonMemolonivs 3 weeks ago
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CountvonMemolonivs 3 weeks ago
@CountvonMemolonivs Those are cameras not weapons. It is customary for reporters to carry large cameras where I come from.
tylerdurden101591 3 weeks ago
@tylerdurden101591 I didn't dispute the fact that the 2 reporters were carrying cameras. However, the 6 other men with the reporters had AK-47s and at least 1 RPG shell which was confirmed by the BDA. The reporters gambled with their live with men that didn't obey the weapons curfew. Its sad, but by no means a war crime.
jacklegg21 3 weeks ago
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CountvonMemolonivs 3 weeks ago
@CountvonMemolonivs The girls survived due to the medical aid given them by the troops. Most commentators forget to mention that.
jacklegg21 3 weeks ago
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@jacklegg21 It is a financial inconvenience for reporters to give too much or positive info regarding these situations. Most people thrive on others pain, it is unfortunate. It is also unfortunate because those guys on the ground seldom come home the same.. Things like this are the shadows of war that remain until way after the conflict is over. I agree with you, most commentators forget to mention a whole lot more.
CountvonMemolonivs 3 weeks ago
Americans killing civilians walking the streets in there own country again.
Reminds me of the Jason Lemieux Marine story “During the April offensive of 2004 in Anbar province my commander issued an ordered “Anybody on the streets was an enemy combatant” A couple of weeks later my commander told me over 100 enemy had been killed and that included anybody walking down the streets in their own city."
lesdoyle2000 3 weeks ago
NOTHING courageous about MURDERING CIVILIANS AND JOURNALISTS..NOTHING!
inde169 4 weeks ago 13
@inde169 There's also nothing courageous about posing as a civilian and killing troops, IEDs and suicide bombings. Those civilians were armed and knew there was a weapons curfew in effect. The knew what they were getting into.
jacklegg21 3 weeks ago
@jacklegg21 How can one person spread so much disinformation. Those were cameras they were carrying.
tylerdurden101591 3 weeks ago
@tylerdurden101591 Again, look at the 6 guys with the reporters. They were carrying weapons after curfew after US ground forces were attacked less than 1km away. Its sad that civilians got killed, but that's war. For the record I don't think we should be there at all, but the troops acted acoording to the ROE they were given and didn't violate the Geneva Conventions or the Hauge.
jacklegg21 3 weeks ago
@jacklegg21 yes ROE was violated, ROE states you must be fired upon and it must be clearly visible who fired upon you, the idea of the air-force and snipers are both against the geneva convention.
derkleineoctopus 3 weeks ago
@derkleineoctopus ROE is up to the unit command, generally. They aren't codified like the Conventions or the Hague.There was an engagement less than 1 km away from the first site in the video. The pilots identified those carrying weapons as having taken part in that assault on US troops. That is in line with the Hague Rules of Air Warfare (The Geneva Conventions say nothing about actual combat, be it snipers or air forces).
jacklegg21 3 weeks ago
At 19:25 the ground forces confirm the RPG/ammunition. From the prospective of the troops in the helicopter, it does appear that some of the individuals on the ground had Ak47s...the RPG being there cannot be disputed. In the end, this was a tragedy because there was collateral damage...but the troops acted well within the bounds of the rules of engagement
atlas1171 1 month ago
@atlas1171 I agree. At least three of those guys had AK-47's and one of them definitely had an RPG and was even pointing it at the helicopter for a moment. That's what you do in war. You see the enemy and if they have the means to fight you then you take them out.
lasoogneypubes 1 month ago
@atlas1171 Agreed if you are unable to tell the difference between cameras and weapons "Kill civilians!"
tylerdurden101591 3 weeks ago
Pink Floyd showed this at their concert
FourtE2 1 month ago
Wtf everyones problem the US military shots on anyone that chooses to fuck with them if they wanted to carry guns it was there choice so they took a nice little dumper on there faces
masongbaird 1 month ago
@masongbaird its a constitutional right to bear arms in the good ol' u.s.a does that mean each and every individual should be gunned down? America has invaded this country, they had no factual information that these people fired upon were hostiles and if they were carrying weapons they have every right to as they're in a hostile enviroment and protection may be required. If you were a civilian in an invaded country you would do the same.
samblah 1 month ago
@4lifeAnon like im going to belive u. Dumb wanna b anon. Wheres your 1337 skillz?
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mosspawcat 1 month ago
@mosspawcat brought me here
mosspawcat 1 month ago
vote down ignorant comments on here that try to sway public opinion away from the facts....this war is about money at the cost of human life....If this particular case is justified or not will never change the fact that the ENTIRE war is unjust itself....war IS terrorism with political sanction.....nothing more....nothing less
crazyharmless666 1 month ago
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YOU LOW LIFE BASTARDS KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE,,,SCUM OF THE EARTH ,,WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU GUYS DOING IN THERE COUNTRY ,...THATS WHY YOU SCUM COME BACK TO THE STATES AND TAKE OUT YOUR OWN...MAY THE BAD YOU DO COME BACK TO YOU AND YOUER FAMILIES,YOU FILTHY PIGS THERES NOT ENOUGH BAD THINGS TO SAY ABOUT YOU .......MAY GOD DAME YOU ALL TO HELL....LONG LIVE ASSANGE
samlexco 1 month ago
Snake brought me here
joshXDBmth 1 month ago 47
@OneStrangeWorld ak's are legal in iraq. Rpg's arent, rpg are only for anti armour. And in the beginning over the radio u hear them talk bout taking rpg fire, thus u fire ob site when u see a rpg.
PSCreativeGaming 1 month ago
@fimatmax that van was transporting the terrorists u saw getting shot. The kids were just a human shield. O and in the beginning of the vid u can hear over the radio soldiers describe that van had combatants in it so stfu.
PSCreativeGaming 1 month ago
@PSCreativeGaming The men who got shot wasnt terrorist. Its just a big lie the US government tells to the people
4lifeAnon 1 month ago
you sick fucks i hope your hunted by the images of the dead for the rest of your miserable lives the van was evacuating wounded. no weapons just murder
fimatmax 1 month ago
anybody could see not one weapon. revaling in their death just adds to the sick twisted justification of this illegal bloody thirsty rampage i hope everyone involved in this suffers some form of cancer and dies painfully in your shitty country poor and alone. the usa = terrorism
fimatmax 1 month ago
A-men
KingCooper95 1 month ago
shows how pointless war is war is war but this was not necessary but i am not surprised no winners everybody loses
fast1919 1 month ago
Casualties of War... Thats What Happens When You Point A RpG At us and Carry AK47... Do You know how many innocent Women & Kids Those Crazy People who strap bombs on to them and walk in to crowds Kill?
CULTIVATEAZ23 2 months ago
@CULTIVATEAZ23 well, this was neither an rpg or an ak47. they were holding cameras.
petelovesrat 2 months ago
@petelovesrat what was it a flag with a peace sign,,, U people are all week Individuals If you dont understand what happens in War.. Is it Fair No but guess what it happens,,
CULTIVATEAZ23 1 month ago
@CULTIVATEAZ23 was the RPG pointed at anyone?
OneStrangeWorld 1 month ago
ALL of the people in this video including the ones filming are misguided. talk about friendly fire
HillarysHitman 2 months ago
You were never in combat. you can't tell the difference between an RPG, AK-47. I looked and I can see no AK-47 and I know what they look like.
cantcu 2 months ago
I'm an American and I'm disgusted by this.Unfortunately a lot of American's are clueless thanx to our shitty media. If our country woke up and took witness to what was really going on then the decent part of the American population wouldn't of supported this war. We should of never went there to begin with. I cannot blame people for trying to fight back. We're creating terrorist by acting like terrorist.It's a disgrace.I feel horrible for all the innocent lives that were taken. [cont.]
AnAddictsEmpathy 2 months ago
@AnAddictsEmpathy [cont.] All of this could of and should of been prevented. All of those men who were laughing and making jokes like they were playing some video game while they're hunting down and shooting innocents just makes me sick. We shouldn't be protecting these people or giving them praise. They should be kicked out from the military. Over and over they were on the edges of their seats just waiting to kill someone. Asking again and again for allowance..& unfortunately they were given it
AnAddictsEmpathy 2 months ago
@AnAddictsEmpathy Don't you think that comparing combat to a video game is a shallow and menacing view of our troops?
While personal protection is legal in Iraq, RPG's are not. One is clearly visable at the 2:09 segment.
The minivan is clearly seen at the 0:39 segment dropping militants off at the al Amin Mosque seven minutes prior.
Namir was taking a picture of a humvee target and insurgents often place children in the front window to act as human shields - as was evident.
fuzzywuzy 3 weeks ago
Fucking Americans! I hate the murdering basterds!
KevinVancouver2 2 months ago
What have you done!!! those people did not do anything! they did not even open fire! how could you?! they are humans, why are you making it like games!! its cruel! well i dont even see you shoot somebody that has weapons in america and almost every house has guns! why dont you go around and shoot those people?
s4210179 2 months ago
@s4210179 An informed analysis of this video reveals that an RPG was visable at the 2:09 segment.
The minivan was first visable at the 0:39 segment - dropping militants off at the al Amin Mosque.
Namir was taking a photo of a US humvee target with the antitank rocket beside him.
Insurgents use children in the front seat as human shields (knowing that the US won't shoot) It might have worked here - but the thermal imaging doesn't see through glass
Hope this clears things up a little.
fuzzywuzy 3 weeks ago
@fuzzywuzy An informed analysis actually reveals you are incapable of discerning the difference between an RPG and a fucking camera.
tylerdurden101591 3 weeks ago
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fuzzywuzy 2 months ago
@mikecorbeil typo sorry. Im on my mobile....
PSCreativeGaming 2 months ago
At 34:37 was that a friendly?
PSCreativeGaming 2 months ago
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mikecorbeil 2 months ago
At 34:37 that was a fruendly?
PSCreativeGaming 2 months ago
@PSCreativeGaming fruendly?
What are you talking about, for that isn't a known word?
mikecorbeil 2 months ago
@fuzzywuzy agree, im glad to see someone here who doesnt buy into this shit. And i like how everyother video on youtube of this cuts the first segment (the part with the van and the mosque, the one you point out). Just shows how people twist the truth for their own anti america agenda.
PSCreativeGaming 2 months ago 2
@PSCreativeGaming I don't blame them, They are not trained to assess a threat and would hesitate at the moment of truth - resulting in the occupants of the Humvee (Namir was taking a photo of) getting blown to bits.
Many Anti-war revel at that thought - but I do not share their opinions.
They don't know what an RPG looks like and they haven't seen the insurgency attack from a playground or a school - but they self rightously love to point fingers and say how deplorable we are
fuzzywuzy 2 months ago
God bless Ethan McCord and Bradley Manning. They evidently are already blessed in this manner, but not by the hell machine called Washington.
And God bless Ray McGovern for his activism. He's already blessed, but there's no waste in wishing him this, as well.
And THANK YOU TRN for providing this video. It's definitely among videos that need to be historically maintained, for a very long time to come.
mikecorbeil 2 months ago
This is why they hate you , not because of your stupid freedoms ..
187killamatic187 2 months ago
@187killamatic187 What freedoms? :)
mikecorbeil 2 months ago
@fuzzywuzy you arabic? Do you think this is "murder?" Who can be this stupid to pick up enemies who have been engaged by us forces with their kids in the car? This just shows how crazy those jihadis are. Its really depressing.
PSCreativeGaming 2 months ago
@PSCreativeGaming
none of the people even had weapons you ignorant fuck
tnolte 2 months ago
@tnolte I think it's the same film, but well after the 12 were massacred. We're shown a couple of guys, Iraqis, walking into some building that gets pulverized by the sick US forces, and we see that the two Iraqis were carrying rifles or AK-47s, whatever. This was another criminal attack by US forces, for Iraqis have a right to self-defence, but we can nevertheless see that the camers of the 2 Reuters reporters don't look anything like the AK-47s or any rifle, ...
mikecorbeil 2 months ago
@mikecorbeil For that video, people need to look or search for the "Collateral Murder" video clip of 39 minutes, however. We see a second or two in what's shown in this video from TheRealNews, but too little, so people need to refer to the "Collateral Murder" video, the full one anyway.
This is with re. to the couple of Iraqis eventually seen entering a building while clearly carrying rifles, guns, AK-47s, whatever they were, but which Iraqis had the right to use for defence against aggression.
mikecorbeil 2 months ago
@mikecorbeil Yes, Iraqi's have the right to carry rifles and pistols for self defense - but RPG antitank rockets are illegal and to carry one loaded is, by definition, an armed militant threat. The RPG is clearly visable at 2:09
I also question the wisdom of patrolling the streets during an ongoing street battle - is that self defense?
The minivan was visable at the 0:39 segment. Why would they hang out for 7 minutes (after dropping off the militants) with the children exposed?
fuzzywuzy 3 weeks ago
@fuzzywuzy Iraqis, in the midst of war of aggression, which is what this war has ALWAYS been, including during 2002 when Washington was "only" threatening to commit this war, gives every Iraqi the right to carry and use whatever weapons he or she has or can get his or her hands onto. It's NOT at all for poulations of war-making govts to decide what weapons the attacked population has a right to!
Get off of the Washington school bench and then get into the REAL world, I suggest.
mikecorbeil 3 weeks ago
@fuzzywuzy But, there was also no fighting going on where the group of 12 Iraqis, including 2 Reuters journalists, were located. We clearly see this in the video and some US troops who were some blocks away with their unit or units said that they weren't in the location where the 12 Iraqis were.
People also need to understand that this war is entirely by Washington, Wall Street, ..., ie, USA, making from the start, to the end; bunch of extreme and psycho criminals!
mikecorbeil 3 weeks ago
@fuzzywuzy The war, including "only" the 2002 threat of committing it, has always been criminal, unconstitutional, and so on. U.S. forces basically have NO rights when serving wars of aggression, which is what this war has always been; ALWAYS.
Tell your neighbours that they don't have a right to defend themselves against murderers, rapists, and so on, and criminal govt; and see what reaction you then get.
Murderous USA has no rights above others.
Murderers, pillagers, rapists, etc.
mikecorbeil 3 weeks ago
@fuzzywuzy For christsakes that was not an rpg and it was never fired. Kill civilians first ask questions later. Those were fucking cameras.
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mikecorbeil 2 months ago
@tnolte And if we can see what I've just stated, then the murderers of the US also could; genocidal sob's!
mikecorbeil 2 months ago
@mikecorbeil Word's like genocide, terrorist, nazi, and tyrrany are thrown around too loosely - sometimes just for disagreeing with someone.
What it does, is it villianizes the innocent and it trivializes the guilty (Armenian Genocide, Rwandan Genocide, Darfur Genocide and Nazi Holocaust)
fuzzywuzy 2 months ago
@fuzzywuzy What the hell are you talking about, trying to whitewash HELLBENT Washington and NATO, are you? Don't try that with me. You'ld be wasting both your and my time. Ray McGovern is absolutely right.
watch?v=aOIPGRUL1CU
No, I don't worship him, but he's absolutely right and far more experienced than dodos like you are.
There was no genocide in Rwanda; it's all propaganda.
Keith Harmon Snow, ConsciousBeingAlliance . com, and AllThingsPass . com for his archive.
mikecorbeil 2 months ago
@fuzzywuzy There wasn't a genocide in Darfur. Again, refer to Keith Harmon Snow's website, the CBA one, and globalresearch . ca. If you disagree with them, then provide supporting evidence. People like you never do that tho.
And the genocide of Armenians isn't our problem to solve, resolve, compensate for, etc.
Stick to your own personal affairs, mowing your lawn, etc., and refrain from supporting hellbent criminal Washington et al.
I'm former military, USA, and you're traitor!
mikecorbeil 2 months ago
@tnolte The RPG is clearly visible at the 2:09 segment and Namir was taking a picture of a US Humvee. The van was first seen at the 0:39 segment and it stuck around for 7 minutes during a street battle with children in the front windshield.
I think it is ironic that some folks can't comprehend the insurgency using children as human shields. If the children were visable, before the shooting, it may have worked again.
fuzzywuzy 2 months ago
@PSCreativeGaming No, the "jihadis" are far from being crazy as the USA and its criminal allies are! I'm sure you believe in the right to self-defence, certainly for yourself and family, friends, ..., anyway, but you deny this right to people our govt forces genocidally attack?
Asshole!
mikecorbeil 2 months ago
@mikecorbeil The RPG, visable at the 2:09 segment is not for self defense. It is an anti tank rocket made for one purpose - anti armor capability. Since the US is the only people using armor it is, ipso facto, an anti US weapon and they are militants who use children as human shields.
Why would anyone place their children in the front windshield during a street battle? After it was first visible at the 0:39 segment, it stuck around for 7 minutes while all this happened.
fuzzywuzy 2 months ago
@fuzzywuzy Yes, now I see the rifle or whatever an AK-47 is, but it was only one or two Iraqis, not 12 people, and 12 people were murdered, butchered! Also, Iraqis had and still have the right to fight to defend themselves against aggression, while no one has any right whatsoever to commit aggression, but the USA and NATO do it with total impunity, because they don't care about law and human rights!
So, ok, you're right, but very little; and extremely wrong in all other senses.
mikecorbeil 2 months ago
@fuzzywuzy Nothing is visible at 0:39, besides a large area of buildings!
Face it guy, you're completely unfit for service in any military force, because your judgement is against our laws and sanity. I enlisted in and received training and ed. from the USN, so I know what the primary oath is, and you and people like you clearly do totally disregard our oath. Constitutionally speaking, I could terminate you without it being a crime; constitutionally! I don't go that far.
mikecorbeil 2 months ago
@mikecorbeil Look again at 0:39... See the black minivan?
I was an Arabic translator for my unit - as such I was deployed on over 600 missions (reactionary force) and logged over 70,000 miles.
I've had to respond to opportunistic crime, revenge killings, tribal bloodfeud, sectarian violence, ethnic violence, residual Ba'athists, political militias, foreign jihadists etc...
You can't solve these problems if you can't identify them. I actually hold the Humanitarian's medal friend.
fuzzywuzy 2 months ago
@fuzzywuzy Mr Humanitarian,
The whole war is total criminal.
Of the 12 Iraqis killed, only 2 are seen with AK47s, which Iraqis have every right to bear. 2 of 12 carrying guns is far more likely to be for defence in case of attack, than it is for attacking others when 10 of your group are unarmed.
Your medals are totally worthless and there's hardly a stronger example of hypocrisy and hegemony than Washington is.
Fool me once, shame on you, fool me again, shame on me.
Criminal war!
mikecorbeil 2 months ago
@mikecorbeil You have to take up the criminality of the war with the UN Resolution 1441 or the US Law passed by Congress, reviewd by the Supreme Court and signed by the President. If you are the king of the earth to disagree.
The Iraqi's do not have the right to bear RPG-7 anti-tank rockets, katyushas, explosive vehicles, mortars or 155mm artillary.
The RPG-7 is seen loaded at the 2:09 segment and the photographers were very interested in an unremarkable photo of a US humvee.
fuzzywuzy 3 weeks ago
@fuzzywuzy I don't have to take up anything. You're extremely mis- or dis-informed. The U.S. Congress never declared war on Iraq and only the Congress has that authority, according to foundational laws of the USA.
Iraqis have every right in the world to shoot or throw whatever they want at enemy forces from foreign forces that conduct AGGRESSION.
i hope that it happens to the USA, BIG TIME, to be able to then see how all idiots like you will then act. Many of you would probably FLEE.
mikecorbeil 3 weeks ago
@fuzzywuzy At this point I assume you either understand the difference between a camera or an RPG or you are beyond help.
tylerdurden101591 3 weeks ago
@mikecorbeil The Constitution is my primary duty to preserve. Use of force was condoned, unanimously, by UNSC Res 1441. It was Constitutionally enacted by Congress as Public Law No: 107-243 and was upheld by the US Supreme Court.
As far as unfit for service, at least I defend the honorable men and women who overthrew a dictator, brought them a real election, stopped a genocide and a civil war.
We will see if the Iraqi people can take it from there - they didn't protest like others
fuzzywuzy 2 months ago
@fuzzywuzy You're an ass and are unfit for US military service, because you adhere to neither sane ethics, nor the US Constitution, and international laws, treaties, etc., that we're co-signatory to. It isn't a kiddy like you who'll be persuasive, so you can cease trying to be.
mikecorbeil 2 months ago
@mikecorbeil Yes, at least I have the ethics not to cuss anyone who disagree's with me. At least I know the Constitution and I understand that the Iraq was was enacted by Congress and Constitutionally enacted to law.
I also know the Geneva Conventions: To be even a defacto belligerent, you have to visibly identify yourself as a combatant to be protected under the Conventions. The insurgency fills the criteria of spies and sabotuers.
Maritime law is covered under San Remo,
U no not
fuzzywuzy 2 months ago
@fuzzywuzy You're schizo. The US Congress never declared war, not for a very long time now, and definitely not for the war on Iraq. You're hallucinating. For the war on Iraq, the Congress signed the authorization for recourse to war on Iraq, but based on two conditions that Iraq had to meet, and Iraq did. And the Congress had no justification in even doing this, but it wasn't declaration of war, for it was conditional.
mikecorbeil 2 months ago
@PSCreativeGaming Nope, I'm not Arab - but I was an Arabic translator. No, I don't think it was Murder. Namir got spectacular photos by embedding with insurgent handlers. The photo he was shown taking a picture of was of a US Humvee - while a man with an RPG was right beside him.
The van was first seen dropping off insurgents at the 0:39 segment and it stuck around, during a street battle, for 7 minutes with children in the front window.
The children are used as human shields
fuzzywuzy 2 months ago
@PSCreativeGaming No, I'm not Arabic - I was an Arabic translator in Iraq from 2003-2004 and 2005-2007. I logged over 70,000 miles on the ground and know the country like the back of my hand.
My momma' didn't raise a torturer or a murderer and, frankly, that is something that the Islamists do (including using children as human shields)
I would be the first to report murder and torture to the Inspector General and the troops are obligated to do so
This is a good kill.
fuzzywuzy 3 weeks ago
@fuzzywuzy I agree wholeheartedly. Killing civilians is a marvelous kill! That is how we communicate our love for mankind after all!
tylerdurden101591 3 weeks ago
Anyone else notice the voice over by wikileaks. There wouldnt be a echo in them speaking, dumb fucks.
PSCreativeGaming 2 months ago
they are like kids playing call of duty
iseannsteve 2 months ago
@iseannsteve That is an ignorant and offensive remark. Because you cannot see human shields through thermal imagery, and a disaster happens, you are still on a mission defending your ground troops - who are being attacked... That is the reason the helicopters were called in the first place.
You have to shake that off and get your head back into the mission at hand. It doesn't mean that they were less than human or that the gunners were particularly callous.
fuzzywuzy 2 months ago
@fuzzywuzy No US forces were being attacked proximate to the location where the 12 people, Iraqis and 2 Reuters journalists, were butchered without any just cause, for none of them represented any danger, except from being alive and on a street in the midst of a war of totally criminal aggression. If a country attacks yours, then do you think you have a right to defence? Definitely. But, you deny the same right to others. Typical ass*hole American.
mikecorbeil 2 months ago
@mikecorbeil Yes they were being attacked. This is really a no brainer. Helicopters do not normally accompany ground infantry - but are called when they are needed. The ground troops alerted the helicopter to the direction that the fire was coming from - near al Amin, East Baghdad Mosque. The helicopter transmission starts off spotting the black minivan by that Mosque - dropping off armed insurgents.
A photographer was taking a pic of a US humvee target and his pal had an RPG.
fuzzywuzy 2 months ago
@fuzzywuzy WHAT A FUCKING LIE YOU PRICK.
There was NO WEAPONS. DO UNDERSTAND THAT?
Stop trying to defend them you sick bastard.
Fuck AMERICA.
WardyProductions 1 month ago
@WardyProductions Really fuck america! That guy with what looked to be an rpg could have killed those soldiers. Put yourself in their shoes you douche bag!!!! They had weapons and therefore they could be shot at. And if your American then you make me fucking sick you bastard!!! To fucking say that about the country you live in!! Fuck you and your family for saying that you unpatriotic bitch fuck you!!!!!
chuck12330 1 month ago
@mikecorbeil You have to read the 5 paragraph order of the helecopter crew and why they were pulled off of a previous mission. The ground troops were conducting a "cordon and search" mission for illegal weapons - when they came under small arms and RPG attacks.
Yes, as bad as you deny it, this was an ongoing street battle in this area. The minivan was identified by ground troops and was spotted by the helicopter at the 0:39 segment.
Facts are facts anti American bias doesn't hange
fuzzywuzy 3 weeks ago
@fuzzywuzy Not only that, there was a curfew in effect for Baghdad where no civilians were supposed to be carrying weapons after dark. I don't agree with the war, but calling this a war crime is ridiculous.
jacklegg21 3 weeks ago
@jacklegg21 Ok, I believe you are a fucking moron. Now this may not be true, but those were fucking cameras. If you are incapable of telling the difference between a fucking camera and a weapon you should not fire.
tylerdurden101591 3 weeks ago
@tylerdurden101591 2:08 - 2:13. Those must be cameras disguised as AK rifles. 31:22 I guess that guy was walking into that building with an AK-camera, right? The same building that ground forces reported being attacked from 300 meters southwest of their position? So apparently you can't tell the difference between a gun and no gun. Check and mate.
jacklegg21 3 weeks ago
@fuzzywuzy Think of this in the American sense, if someone in America fired off some rounds at someone else, and the local law enforcement comes into search for weapons, does that mean everyone found with a firearm can be killed without question? Sure the right to bear arms doesn't cover the bigger weapons, but this isn't America, either.
This is an entirely FOREIGN country where US laws DON'T apply.
CrabTastingMan 3 weeks ago
@fuzzywuzy Killing civilians is murder. "I accidentally murdered them." What a pathetic excuse. Not only that but this video was covered up.
tylerdurden101591 3 weeks ago
@fuzzywuzy wrote in reply to seannsteve, "That is an ignorant and offensive remark. ..."
And that, little boy, is a heck of a pompous, self-righteous attitude that you express. You defend totally criminal war of aggression that was never and never will be justifiable.
Sorry butthead, but I was in the USN in the 1970s and know that you're extremely wrong.
Constitutionally, we have a duty to defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and people like you are domestic enemies!
mikecorbeil 2 months ago
@mikecorbeil Glad you are the only one who seems to think so. And what, may I ask did you do to stop it? Threaten people? Grandstand? Arrogantly misinterpret the Constitution to your liking?
Jefferson wanted Congress to approve of America's first foreign war (Barbary Coast 1801) Congress would not put it to vote - but suggested that he use the powers of Commander in Chief to engage the Barbary Pirates and the Amir of Tripoli.
Your threats make you a lone wolf malcontempt.
fuzzywuzy 2 months ago
@fuzzywuzy I'm the only who who seems to think what, dodo? And what are you talking about when asking me what I did to stop it, whatever it is?
You're the one who grotesquely misinterprets the US Constitution, butthead. Most Americans are against the continuation of these wars, but genocide is something you never have enough pleasure of committing, so you must continue to support it being committed indefinitely, against the US Constitution. I wish you what you do to others.
mikecorbeil 2 months ago
this is scum.
callthisjeremy 2 months ago
Regardless of your views on this, the war, killing, and death in general; The fact is on September 11th 2001 there were 2977 deaths caused by the hijackers who were funded by terrorist groups in the middle east. I would rather kill them in their homes than in my own. By keeping them busy in they're backyard we keep them out of ours. EVERY death is a tragedy. These men could be our fathers, uncles, brothers, or best friends. But the fact is if we didn't take it to them they'd take it to us.
Army15UAviation 2 months ago
@Army15UAviation yep those innocent journalists are a massive threat to national security
stunteddevelopment1 3 weeks ago
Its sad to say but its actually entertaining me.
PainInMind138 2 months ago
The way the troops act is horrible but they weren't just murdering the Iraqi's..
ZackizGamer 2 months ago
What real hero's. Killing children, and civilians. American soldiers-- Dumb, stupid, puppets
drefftter 2 months ago
The inhumanity is breathtaking.
currawongee1 2 months ago
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*WARNING GRAPHIC FOOTAGE* - US SOLDIERS KILLING A SHEEP WITH A BASEBALL BAT
/watch?v=sgarWjKYFGs
megamogx 3 months ago
These americans are crazy - what about this will bring democracy and increase the relations with the west?
linda77f 3 months ago
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Military grade video cameras are GARBAGE ON PURPOSE - most people's cell phones shoot better video than this
acbronstein 3 months ago
@acbronstein Yes, but cell phones don't let you see body heat images in the dark at 10,000 meters. That's why the gunners couldn't see the children through the windshield.
fuzzywuzy 2 months ago
this sickens me. the only real reason Bush went to war with iraq is because he wanted finish what "daddy" started. honestly i was really angry at the taliban for bombing the twin towers but we could have saved thousands of lives if we didnt have a redneck president to fuck america over.....
AlbertWeskerfan100 3 months ago
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. this video was great I loved it all very well done congratulations
valcroft69 3 months ago
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stevegibbs17 3 months ago
I had to click off @ 9:00... "And I saw the Lord standing at the alter, and h said to me. "Strike the top of the pillars so that the threshold may shake....bringing down the roofs on all the evil bastards.." My soul is heaving.. I can feel a GREAT EARTHQUAKE coming! Be vigilant my people.. woe be onto the wicked!!
phylosophycalwisdom 3 months ago
@phylosophycalwisdom Yes, it is wicked to use your chidlren as human shiields - sitting high in the front seat to mask terrorists:
The van first appears at 0:39 - only to arrive 7 minutes later in an ongoing street battle.
The RPG is visable at the 2:09 segment
Namir was taking a photo of a US Humvee
The Uncle of the children told Al Jazeera that they were going to school - he later said that they were visiting a relative
The children were not visable
The crew had to continue the mission
fuzzywuzy 3 months ago 5
@fuzzywuzy You are missing the overriding point of the matter, THE UNITED STATE+S HAD NO BUSINESS IN IRAQ IN THE VERY FIRST INSTANT. they are in other people's land ON FALSE PRETEXT. What the hell are you going to do when the Chinese military BEGIN TO OCCUPY AMERICAN SOIL? I can bet my life that you would fight to the death, unless you are a coward who would run and hide in that rat hole in the basement.. YOU ARE WITNESSING COLD BLOOD MURDER! There is NO justification for ASSASSINATING rescuers!
phylosophycalwisdom 3 months ago
@phylosophycalwisdom You criticize without following the links or displaying critical thought. The van delivered armed militants, (2:09) of al Moqowma fee Baghdadi, to the East Baghdad Mosque and appears doing so at the 0:39 segment. They used children as human shields by placing them high in the front seat - where ground troops would see them.
You are a big fan of Saddam Hussein (the Butcher) and stab our verterans in the back irregardless of UN Resolution 1441 Your knowlege is selective.
fuzzywuzy 3 months ago 5
@fuzzywuzy why the hell would i want to see ANY evidence or link you send when I already told you that THE UNITED STATES AND ALLIES HAD NO BUSINESS IN IRAQ IN THE FIRST PLACE. They are in Iraq under FALSE PRETEXT,, that many ANY/ ALL USA actions in Iraq ILLEGAL, and it justifies any and all actions taken by the Iraqis.. What will you do if China come to occupy your town on the grounds that the USA owes them trillions in debt which they cannot pay? At least it would be a legitimate occupation
phylosophycalwisdom 3 months ago
@phylosophycalwisdom When you see criminal insurgents injured - you don't let them escape. The US will offer medical treatment. Anyone assisting in their escape will be stopped (one way or another). Those "rescuers" were accomplices.
The helicopter crew acted very well in identifying the threat. Namir was taking a picture of a US Humvee target while his comrade was beside him with a loaded RPG (anti-Tank rocket)
Do you ever wonder how Namir got such spectacular pics? The right place and time?
fuzzywuzy 3 months ago 4
@fuzzywuzy what a waste of my time it was responding to you in the first place. What a useless conversation.. It is obvious that you are trying to justify the actions of these assassins who are in NO danger from the CITIZENS. you can try from now until your god or whoever it is that you believe in come, you will NEVER convince me, nor can you justify to me the actions of those thirsty murderers. So give up trying to convince me and go confess to the pope or Jesus Christ.. I have heard enough BYE
phylosophycalwisdom 3 months ago
@phylosophycalwisdom "why the hell would i want to see ANY evidence or link"
This just shows that you are closed minded and not interested in prima facie evidence - you talk about things that you have no real knowlege of.
"THE UNITED STATES AND ALLIES HAD NO BUSINESS IN IRAQ IN THE FIRST PLACE. They are in Iraq under FALSE PRETEXT"
The American War in Iraq was very legal and voted unanimously by UNSC Res 1441 and approved by the US Congress. Your opinion does not trump that of the entire world.
fuzzywuzy 3 months ago 5
@phylosophycalwisdom "It is obvious that you are trying to justify the actions of these assassins who are in NO danger from the CITIZENS"
You may be under the assumption that once a guerilla takes off a uniform - they are innocent civilians. Since the invasion, 113,125 people have suffered violent deaths in Iraq. 88% of those deaths are the result of opportunistic crime, revenge killing, tribal bloodfeud, sectarian, ethnic, political militias, foreign jihadists and anti-occupation. US is needed
fuzzywuzy 3 months ago
@fuzzywuzy I said I would not respond to you, but I think this is worth the excruciating pain of replying. DON'T! Throughout all your rambling, I have not read one word from you about the innocent boys and girl who were sent over there to butcher and be butchered, and those who committed suicide and those suffering from PSD. There are more suicides from Iraqi veterans, than were killed in battle.. THEY KNEW THE TRUTH. But I do not hear one word from you in their honor, you honor assassination,
phylosophycalwisdom 3 months ago
@phylosophycalwisdom The reason that I have posted comment is because I was an American soldier who pulled two tours (27 months: 2003-2004 and 2005-2006) in Iraq as an Arab translator.
I initially learned Farsi (Iranian) because I have Middle Easterners in my extended family and I volunteered to ensure that the US would not use a heavy hand. As a translator, I went on over 600 reactionary force missions and logged over 70,000 miles on the ground. To call it a video game is a shallow assumption.
fuzzywuzy 3 months ago 5