The USA discovered in 1812 that you can change those those. Canadians remember white house as their deliverance from the Americans to a British conpany. But is what is not taught in Canada, is we were them and we don't kill ourselfs.
until the last six counties are given to Ireland.....I will support the those that wish the county to be reunited......England is the the terriorist here.,!!!!
@bweber2k England can't be a terrorist because it is not an independent country it is in a voluntary union with scotland, wales and the six counties in NI. The IRA and loyalist paramilitaries were the terrorists and the americans who supported them!
@worldslinger81 HAHAHAHAHAHAHA....THIS COMMENT COMING FROM A FUCKING YANK !!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHA...TELL ME BITCH HOWS THE WHOLE FUCKING "PATRIOT ACT" GOING ?....RUNNING ABOUT BREAKING IT ARE YA ????....NAH DID NOT FUCKING THINK SO !!!...NOW RUN ALONG AND GET 12 McFATBASTARD BURGERS FOR YOUR BREAKFAST YOU COCK !!!!....... AND WHILE YOU ARE AT IT...GET THE FUCK OUT OF A COUNTRY THAT AINT YOURS !!!..AND STOP AND APOLOGISE TO EVERY FUCKING NATIVE INDIAN ON ROUTE !!.......PATHETIC HYPOCRITE
@Thundernuts691 aye get out of a country that aint yours? Im sure then you'll be supporting the IRA in their struggle for freedom. so im sure you loved it when they blew babies up didnt ye. did you prefer when they blew the babies up or shot them you scumbag
@Thundernuts691 How am I supposed to not obey the Patriot Act? It's not a law that forces me to behave a certain way. It's the government spying on me. How am I supposed to keep the government from spying on me?
@worldslinger81 Cheers for the speedy reply ya muppet....and don't come back with " I have a life" as we all know that aint true don't we......I see you are not contesting the whole "I live in a country that aint mine" issue ?....very wise.....given that you don't have a leg to stand on.....
@Thundernuts691 Maybe we all don't live on fucking Youtube you fucktard. And this country is fucking mine you dumb fuck. In pretty much every country the people who live their now replaced the people who came before them. So don't try to lay that stupid bullshit on me. I didn't kill any fucking Native Americans and I sure as hell didn't stick them on reservations. And what fucking part of the U.K. are you from?
@Thundernuts691 Here's what you need to get: I was just making a comment about people fighting against unjust laws. I didn't criticize or berate anyone. I don't know why you thought you had to go ape shit on me. Just because my government has done wrong doesn't mean I've lost the right to make comments like that. I am not responsible for what Bush fucking did. So fuck off.
@worldslinger81 Fuck you really are retarded aint ya !!...it was THE PEOPLE of America that helped fund, support and train the ira, millions of US dollars were happily given to baby murdering animals so they could slaughter innocent people in Northern Ireland in the name of "irish Americans", and as far as "bloody sunday" is concerned the Brits will now shower them with cash...solves every irish issues....thats how they fixed Adams & Marty boy...CASH....so YOU fuck off gobshite
@Thundernuts691 Instead of ranting and raving at someone that 's got an opinion on N.I. and this horrible horrible day that I do very well remember holding someone's stomach together while he lie on the road. Just because someone isn't from Ireland doesn't mean they are retarded on their views.
@Ms2blackcats Whats wrong ?...truth hurt ?...have I stated something that was not accurate ?...if so please point this out ?...and please do not bore me with "war stories", if you want to start that shit I can gladly tell you about shovelling my mates off the streets into plastic bags because of the filth that you call freedom fighters, so don't even fucking go there.... or do you think there is a difference in the value of life ?
no niestety anglicy rządzą się swoimi prawami bo mieszkają na wyspie daleko od cywilizacji, chronią i stoją tylko po stronie angielskich obywateli, wiem to bo mieszkałem 1,5 roku w GB
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english government got it's own rules, english people are living on there own island far away from civilisation, police and army serve and protect only english citizens, i know this because i've been living there and working for 18 months (i'm sorry about textual errors, my english is not good)
Mighty English? - Cowardly Bastards. The only war yiz won was when you fought 10 to 1 like in Ireland. Want Northern Ireland back? I dont think you could win it even if yiz did want it and you know it....
British troops must be pulled from the hell out of ireland, ireland inglorious British soldiers get out of the fight for freedom with the British troops must die if necessary when we wake up to the war of independence have not forgotten the spirit of ira live to fight to remain free until the people of ireland ireland t let them burn down the British in the shops on the street cars at night tert beat hospitalized Let's fuck wherever in Ireland
Youtube 'Jimmy McGovern The Bogside Massacre' if you want to see the most disturbing portrayal of Bloody Sunday ever put on film. Alternatively, just look at my videos; I've uploaded it.
@MrMickroast "freedom fighters"... you mean baby murdering pieces of shite ?..... the ones that bomb high streets in the middle of a shopping Saturday.... explain "freedom fighter" ?
@Thundernuts691 shut the fuck up you hun cunt the ra are freedom fighters what about your british army opening fire on innoent unarmed civillians attending a football match or opening fire on innocent armed protesters, not to mention the hundreds of other atrocitys your british army have commited in ireland and around the world, its the british empire who are the murdererng pigs son and dont fucking it
@libertycaps666 "innocent armed protesters" ???? & "don't fucking it" ?... what are you ?...special needs or something ? LMFAO.... you must admit bloody Sunday was well good shooting skills like....come on....praise where its due like LMFAO
@cohagan16 well done you, gee did you do well or what !....Gee my memory aint that good so could you remind me how many perished in the Monaghan & Dublin bombings ?... was it 33 by any chance ?.... so lets see...18 + 1 = 19......33....you get my drift fuckwit lol...run along knobjockey
@Thundernuts691 You know the IRA will rear its head again. I just hope it affects you and your family when it does. And il be like yeah we can craft some damn good bombs like BOOM xD
@Padgeify In your wet dreams wee lad...try Dublin & Monaghan....now they were bombs....LMFAO...the ra is far too busy running its whore houses and drug dealin....even the CIRA.....putrid scum every one....and you wee boy are just a turd...no more....no less......
@libertycaps666 OH RIGHT SO IT WAS BRITSH ARMY THAT OPENED FIRE IN CROAK PARK WAS IT ?...YOU THICK FUCK !!!... YOU DRAG THE IRISH EVEN FURTHER DOWN THE FOOD CHAIN YOU PRIESTS BUTTBOY.....AND "INNOCENT ARMED PROTESTERS" ?...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...YOU ARE SERIOUSLY THE THICKEST WINDOWLICKER I HAVE EVER MET !!! LMFAO....OH BY THE WAY YOU CANNOT SPELL FOR SHIT YOU FUCKWITT....BEST STICK TO SUCKING PRIESTS OFF WEE LAD HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
@seanymo Are you seriously askin me this ?...I thought you plastic fenians were meant to know your history ?....it was not the British Army that opened fire in Croak Park...it was the RIC....and there was no armoured car on the pitch either....
@Thundernuts691 In response to the growing support for an irish uprising in ireland, the british government put together a number of paramilitary groups of its own, namely the black and tans and the auxillaries. The auxillaries were responsible for the actions on the first bloody sunday and they were mainly constructed of ex british army officers that had been drafted in for the job. And no i am not a "plastic fenian" i am irish born, raised and proud, it is you who is the minority not me...
@seanymo I have absolutely zero respect for putrid turds that glorify the murder of women, kids & babies.... your low life scum that put your interests over that of anyone else.... I very much doubt you could even count as high as my IQ you cerebrally challenged penis
@seanymo LOL your a penis you is very obviously in denial of the facts, the blood of innocent women, children & babies will forever cover the hands of irish republicanism, you can try and bullshit the yanks about your "freedom fighter" crap but for those of us who were born & bred in Belfast and lived through the troubles we will always remember the putrid shite for what it is.....run along now you little lover of baby killers...you are disgusting...
@Thundernuts691 i am born and bred in mBeal Feirste also. mistakes were made on all sides. Loyalist paramilitaries killed women and children as well as the british army and the ruc. It was the loyalist paramilitaries which started the tit for tat war. In the beginining the targets of the I.R.A. were british soldiers, R.U.C. and key economic targets. It was not until the loyalist paramilitaries began murdering catholic civilians that the tit for tat war began.
@seanymo Well your either badly dyslexic or geographically challenged, it's Belfast ...like it or not..go read a map....and of course the ira were running garden parties and church fete's until them bad loyalist's started...you see the reason loyalists hit the people they did is because the ira hid behind them... truth hurts I know....but since the ira killed far more women, children & babies than anyone else, and more catholics than the BA & RUC put together we all know who the dickheads are..
@Thundernuts691 belfast is also known as mbeal feirste the gaelic form, it is well sign posted throughout ireland as mbeal feirste and there are gaeltacht quarters in belfast. The I.R.A. hid behind no one, they were very secretive and professional in the operations and that is why they are an undefeated army and the loyalist paramilitaries found it so difficult to target members, instead they murdered based on religon and not affiliation.
@seanymo They hid behind the women in the estates, I would not expect a child like you to know shit apart from daddies hero stories lol....and those signs are also in English & don't forget it bitch, and the ira could never beat the British Army hence they gave up LMFAO...sure if they were doing so well why stop ?...if they were so close to bringing Britain to its knees why give up ?....now run along and ask a grown up about the troubles since you were not here at the time.....
@Thundernuts691 "they hid behind the women in the estates" pure shit. Show me some evidence you idiot. just because you say something doesnt make it so. I know those signs are in english i can read, what is your point? The british army could not defeat the I.R.A. much like how they will never beat the taliban, because their presence in their country is enough of a reason for people to sign up. No matter how many people the british kill their will always be the youth to take their place
@Thundernuts691 The I.R.A. decomissioned because times had changed and the catholic communities were no longer descriminated against at such a high degree, also their political representitives no longer supported an armed campaign as it had done its function and now were seeking political means for a resolution. That is why the I.R.A. decomissioned. I dont need to "run allong" and ask people about the troubles, i know full well about the troubles from reading the documentation that is there
@seanymo Well trust me wee lad the ira had nowhere else to go...they done their best and it did not work pure and simple....stop reading sinn fein propaganda and read some real history books...I was there and trust me they aint the heroes you think they are...they are putrid to the core.... or do you think an ira "man" is a hero when he stands less than 10ft away from a 6 month old baby girl and empties an AK-47 into her ?..FACT... people like you forget...we never will...never...
@Thundernuts691 i dont read sinn feinn propaganda, infact i have never even seen any sinn feinn propaganda about the I.R.A. The I.R.A. are heroes as they fought for my civil rights when i was too young to fight for them my self, they fought against descrimination and oppression on my and everyones behalf. What case are you talkin about when an I.R.A. emptied a full clip into 6 month old from 10 foot away?
@seanymo What case ?...oh dear, something tells me you don't know the ira just as well as you think you do.....next you will be telling me you dont know about how the ira gunned down 10 completely innocent men just for being prods....or firebombing a dog show ? or firing machine guns into a church while adults & children knelt praying ?....or do you think I am making this shit up ?....all for the sake of "your civil rights" of course...which of course makes it all ok.....
@Thundernuts691 well how do you expect to have a debate/argument when you do not fully state what you are talking about, i could just as easily ramble off attrocities committed by loyalist paramilitaries but i don't.
@seanymo I know you don't because they committed more attrocities than anyone else and while "fighting for your civil rights" killed more catholics than the British army & RUC put together......yeah I reckon you really don't want to get into an debate like that....do you....nice to know you still call them heroes though....
@Thundernuts691 why do you keep saying the killed more catholics than anyone else? what is your point? This is not about religon, it is about equality and unification of ireland
@seanymo are you that niave ?... mate nobody can defend the way catholics were treated in the north.... but they could always take a short drive to a country that would have welcomed them...and either way the minute the picked up weapons and started killing they lost the argument instantly...and I keep saying that because they did kill more catholics...and catholics achieved "equality" a long long time ago and the ra kept killing...open your eyes
@Thundernuts691 no i am not niave. Why should an irish catholic, move to the south of Ireland, away from their home and place of birth to escape unlawful descrimination when they are just as much a citizen of the region as any other citizen? Why should the unionist community have their way? Yes the I.R.A. did kill more catholics, but again what is your point? are you suggesting that because of a person's religon they are immune to the effects of an I.R.A bullet?
@seanymo "Why should the unionist community have their way?" ?..its called DEMOCRACY you feckin muppet !!..and no the republican movement did not go down every avenue before bloodshed....or did the blacks of America become terrorists too did they ?....so absolutely zero excuse...nada...zilch....zip .... just putrid baby killers....gee what heroes....more like fucking zeroes.....
@Thundernuts691 what kind of democratic government ignores the plight of a significent proportion of the population? The essence of a democratic government is that officials are elected by the population fairly to represent them. Democracy was void because of the gerrymandering of votes, strategic implentation of voting boundaries so that the catholic communities would be the minority etc. Alot of the coloured population also supported the black panthers and their fight for equality
@seanymo Sorry mate but the "essence" of democracy is the majority rule....and years & years on catholics are still a minority in NI so democracy was never void...it simply did not suit you but the majority of voters, and the black panther comment is pathetic.....
@Thundernuts691 the essence of democracy is not majority rule. Democracy must have an alternative voice in order to argue its case and fight for the majority of votes. But irish communities political voice was muted by the british and unionist politicians in power. How can democracy be with-held when a significent proportion of the population is ignored and prevented from raising its issues in stormont? How is my blank panther comment pathetic? The black panthers used similar tactics
@seanymo terrorists were gagged via the media....why do you make shit up to bolster your argument ?...and were catholics being hanged from the trees were they ?
And it was you lot that would not take part in government...cannot have it both ways......
@Thundernuts691 what have i made up? not sure what you mean by terrorists were gagged via the media. Catholics were not being hanged from the trees, but they oppressed and descriminated against on a daily basis, they were treated as second class citizens. Sinn fein did take part but they did not take their seats, as a form of protest
@seanymo Yeah and their "form of protest" ensured the hardship suffered by catholics continued for as long as possible...fuck you people really are blind aint ya... and where are they now exactly ?....why not protest now ?...because the catholics have been used to the shinners ends...why do you think 10 hunger strikers died before they accepted the same deal that was on the table for weeks & weeks before....because you were played like a fiddle........
@Thundernuts691 Sinn feinn did not take their seats in westminster as they refused to accept that part of ireland should be ruled from a foreign country. They have now taking their seats in stormount because of the devolution of power to the north. Sinn finn were against the hunger strikes and did not want these men to die. Men like bobby sands and joe mcdonnell put their own lives on the line for their people, their blood is on the hands of margaret thatcher.
@seanymo Do you think it is possible that at sometime during this chat you could possibly spell "Sinn Fein" correctly ?....just a thought...... a devolved government ? LMFAO...they cannot even change the corporation tax ffs !...without begging London...devolved my arse...and there are the shinners...all pleased with themselves lol... and it was the shinners who controlled the hunger strikers....not believe me ?... go read your own an phoblacht rag and then come back and say sorry......
@Thundernuts691 wow big deal i spelt a word wrong. By "they" i suppose you mean mr Robinson and Mcguinness? It is a coalition! so how can you use this to attack me, when the unionist representitive is in the same boat?
@seanymo i did not say the unionists did not takepart in government, please do try to make sense. You are making fun of sinn fein taking part in a devolved government when the unionist representive is in the same boat
@seanymo Your telling me to make sense while replying to your own comment ?...whatever cockmuncher ....accept that sinn fein are now on the British payroll wee lad....lifes a bitch LMFAO
@Thundernuts691 do you think i give a toss whether sinn fein are being paid by the british? They pay taxes to the british so they deserve every british pound they get. It is quite clear you have not got the foggiest what you are talking about. Just another sectarian arsehole, who speaks before thinking.
@seanymo HAHAHAHAHA...YOU are the biggest sectarian arsehole I have ever met ! LMFAO...who the fuck do you think you are kidding wee boy ?...I lived through the troubles and know what I know...what does a wee spotty faced child like you know....shall I tell you ?.......FUCK ALL.....now run along and get yer mammy to change yer nappy little yin.....fucking idiot
@Thundernuts691 How exactly am i a sectarian arsehole? when have i said anything remotely sectarian? And by the way i am not child. If anything by you living through the troubles you are more susceptible to bias. I know what i know by forming my own unbiased oppinion by using my brain. Something you yourself should try doing
@seanymo Not only are you a bigot, you are a thick bigot..."The I.R.A. are heroes" ?....and show me once where you have defended a prods rights ?...if you are sooooo even handed ?....well ?....you are only a little boy who can hardly spell so I cannot really imagine you are too well read, you have shown that you know practically nothing of the troubles.....go play with your ipad mate..... you baby murdering lover....
@Thundernuts691 i dont have to show you anything, i know my self i am not a bigot or sectrian. I have worked with protestants in the past and would consider some of my protestant friends to be my good friends. Religon has nothing to do with it. And by the way i am not "a little boy" and i dont have an ipad? It is you who appears as very immature. You are clutching at straws and making assumptions about me when you don't even know who i am, grow up
@seanymo You do not want to show me as you are unable to and therefore clearly I was correct in calling you a bigot.....so have you praised any of your favourite baby murderers lately ?.... quite sad really from a wee lad who very obviously knows very very little about this subject......you really should get an ipad though....they are great......
@seanymo Oh dear dear, we have resorted to desperate measures have we not wee fella ...... listen....I am sure your not the worst guy on the planet, simply misled...the subject matter of this video & comments have basically nothing to do with you...mearly history for someone that had nothing to do with the events in question.....you have an uneducated opinion,,,no more no less....what will be will be...... just accept your opinion for what it is.....
@Thundernuts691 Excuse me but my opinions are based on the saville report which was accepted by the british prime minister and from reading up on the troubles in my country. I am not an I.R.A. member nor is anyone in my family. I have zero ties with any I.R.A. affiliated person nor do i support the republican paramilitaries of today, just because i have republican views does not make me "a baby murdering lover" it was you that insulted me to begin with
@seanymo Yeah, like I said you know nothing about it, and anyone who states "the IRA are heroes" and as we all know the IRA killed plenty of babies...so by clear definition you are an admirer of baby killers.....tell me did you prefer when they shot the babies or did you like it when they blew them up ?....which one made you the proudest ?
@Thundernuts691 you really are a low life bitter person arent you. You are twisting my words a great deal. You support the british army and i bet (althought you will deny it) support loyalist paramilitaries and yet they have killed many innocent people including women and children also. War is a nasty buisiness and unfortunately people die sometimes innocent people, on all sides. That is very hypocritical on your part.
@seanymo Yeah bold effort you desperate little penis...but lets stick to the FACTS shall we ?....it is YOU that holds baby murderers as "heroes" NOT ME ...I have never expressed any support for murdering scum...that was YOU.... now answer my question you little putrid piece of shite....did you prefer your heroes shooting little babies or blowing them up ?....come on !!!...answer PROUDLY !!!!
@SubZero1703 Yeah you might want to learn how to spell before answering you inbred retard, and please show us your source of how the British army are killing THOUSANDS of babies......come on you dick...I do believe the term is "PUT UP OR FUCK UP"....So come on fuckwitt...chop chop...we are all wating for the source of your "facts" LMFAO....you pretend fenians are funny as fuck by th way ....
@Thundernuts691 Simplified: IRA=wankers. Loyalists paramilitaries=equally wankers. British army=largely good, but have on occasion been responsible for terrible crimes as bad as IRA. Britain's done terrible things to Ireland, but mostly a century ago. It's people like Ian Paisley who're to blame. In the 60s the IRA were Marxist-oriented, peaceful protest against Catholic inequality of welfare (which existed, no denying), and Orangemen did all to deny basic civil rights. Stupidity itself
@trixwiz7 Shucks mate, i cannot thank you enough for your quick lesson in Northern Ireland history, you cannot imagine the relief of at last knowing what all the fuss was about !!!... and all this time I thought it was because catholics eyes were too close together, really cannot thank you enough, I am born & bred in Belfast and cannot wait to go tell all my mates about the actual facts as told by you !!... if you PM me your details I would be more than happy to recommend you for an award
@Thundernuts691 I can't tell whether or not that's sarcasm. But I wouldn't go about saying Catholics have eyes that are too close together, especially not when the Royal Family (whom I support as an Australian), genuinely are inbred
@trixwiz7 Sarcasm ?..me ?...NAH lol, I am simply acknowledging your obvious superior knowledge of Northern Ireland lol...mate I welcome your interest in my country (I really do) but if you are going to try and understand the history of this island then you really do need to read all of it, not just a very basic synopsis of the last 40 years, trust me when I tell you there is a hell of a lot more to it, and plenty of unwarranted violence on both sides of the divide
@Thundernuts691 Mate, among other things, I've spent quite a bit of time studying Classics. You do not need to tell me that almost all historical trends and conflicts can't be properly explained by superimposing a telescope to the last 40 years, in any case I "summed up" the years before. However we've only 500 characters to use. As someone who's half-English & has lived in the UK, an awful lot of blood wouldn't have been spilt if Paisley et al. hadn't been paranoid, militant fucks
@trixwiz7 Very true chum, and I would be the first to point the finger at Paisley too, but I see you are slightly shy about doing the same thing to others ?...that is twice you have made comment about him yet said nothing about Gerry Adams etc ?...or is there a slight reluctance to do so ? do I detect a slight bias ? and how many years did you live in Northern Ireland exactly ? ...and half English ?..I have mates who are half Scottish, none can play the bagpipes chum....
@Thundernuts691 Half-English in that my mother's English, but I was born in Aus, currently live in Aus, consider myself more Aussie than English.I lived in southern England, not NI, which I realise disqualifies me from any first-hand knowledge, but not historical analysis. I agree re: Gerry Adams, but my hypothesis is, potentially he and the (P)IRA, would have been irrelevant, if the peaceful Catholic civil rights movement had been granted social equality (it being necessary for all people)
@trixwiz7 Oh right, that would have been the peaceful Catholic civil rights movement led by a protestant MP then ?... the one hijacked by the IRA/Sinn Fein ? and don't forget Gerry's family were killing long before this movement, and if your hypothesis is to hold any water please explain why even when catholics had the exact same rights as anyone else they still continued to kill and destroy lifes ?
@Thundernuts691 I'm not saying that this would have stopped the Troubles outright over the past 4 decades, but I think if the Catholic Civil Rights Movt of the 1960s, that was peacefully protesting about inequality in the social order (esp. in Derry where something like average 3 Catholic families lived in same house) had not been defied, nonsensically, by Orangemen at every turn, anti Loyalist resentment would've been lot lessened, the militant factions of the IRA wouldn't have got much support
@Thundernuts691 Ultimately, no. But it fanned the fire of hatred in the most effective way. It embittered Catholics beyond previous points. No denying division & hatred already existed, but it wasn't so acute until this point. The Orangemen/Order slowed down their progress to social equality and constantly defied, for reasons that defy logic. The more peaceful animal that was then the IRA looked stupid to Catholics, who relied on British Army, so then the spark of violent Republicanism reignited
@trixwiz7 Iam not even going to get into a proper answer to that jibberish, keep reading history and come back to me when you are compos mentis mate lol
@Thundernuts691 "compos mentis"? I'm not the one whose entire page is a visual fanfare to Loyalism, who exudes an abject, irrational hatred of Catholics. Everything I said in my simplification was true, even if it was an uncomfortable truth for you. Re: what I just posted, as I say, it wouldn't have stamped out all sectarianism, which runs deeper. But facts remain Orangemen were inhumane, bigoted and stupid (so were IRA) and 60s counter-protests made level of sectarianism significantly higher
@Thundernuts691 You've a union jack decked all over your page (an excellent flag representing an excellent country or countries, if you prefer), but you're using it as a Loyalist symbol, as a sectarian symbol. You've video titled sinn fein beards and paedophiles and you've what seems to be some anthropological justification of Loyalism that I haven't bothered to read. That's your "visual fanfare"
@trixwiz7 No, I used the Union Jack as my countries flag as that is what it is, would you attack a yank for flying the Stars & Stripes would you ?...and they are not my vidoes, simply ones I have saved to favourites as they show Sinn Fein for what they really are (bearded paedos) I have no need or want to "justify" loyalism lol when there is no call to, the only secterian around here wee lad seems to be you.....you really should seek some professional help for that...it aint healthy...
@Thundernuts691 Union Jack is still Loyalist symbol in NI, regardless. I'd criticise most Yanks who fly the Stars & Stripes, usually they tend to be pretty awful Republicans. In Aus, pretty much the only people who fly the Aus flag are fans of Pauline Hanson, not worlds apart from the KKK. It's wonderful to parade your flag on Independence, St. George's, Australia Day, but otherwise hints at racism or in NI; Loyalism. You've still tried to justify Loyalism by anthropological critique of Ireland
@Thundernuts691 I left you another comment. Anyway you champion Unionism to the hilt, this page rather proves that. Personally I respect the democratic wishes of all the people of NI in their self-determination. But frankly, as Unionism is a relic of colonisation and oppression, since NI geographically should be part of Ireland, the people should vote Home Rule. Most people I know in England, most of whom CofE, agree with that, I think lots of politicians do too, even poor Dickie Mountbatten did
@trixwiz7 LMFAO...you are so bitch slapped wee boy, so by your "arguement" then France belongs to Germany ?...Switzerland belongs to Italy ? LMFAO...your fucking hilarious son. And I do respect the will of the people of NI...I think you will find it is the IRA/Sinn Fein that does not...they are anti democratic...the MAJORITY of people in NI want to be British...FACT!!!...the IRA tried to bomb, shoot & terrorise this country into sumbission....something they failed miserably at LMFAO...
@Thundernuts691 No it doesn't, Continental Europe's an entirely different animal, it's considerably larger, it's a continent, not an island and it has, for millennia been inhabited by significantly different races/tribes. NI was originally entirely Irish and is a very small plot of land in a relatively small island. I agree IRA/SF were anti-democratic, so were UVF, etc FACT. You must be retarded. I know there's a Unionist majority, I respect it, but it doesn't stop it from being stupid
@trixwiz7 No, you will find the vast amount of people from this island can trace their DNA back to the Basque region of Spain...so not different...FACT...and the UVF were anti democratic were they ?..I am not a supporter of any paramilitary group but would love to here your reasoning behind that comment...So ok...by your reckoning then England belongs to Scotland then ?...or do both belong to Wales ?....and a majority "is stupid"...mmm...reckon your the retard mate
@Thundernuts691 Tru-ish re Basque don't forget the Celts, but I'm referring to Ireland as it existed at the point before the Papal Bull, etc. My logic places Continental Europe in a different basket to the UK & Ireland. You've rather proved my point, England, Scotland and Wales, while maintaining cultural identities are united as one kingdom, thanks awfully. You think Loyalist paramilitaries are democratic? Hahahahha, nice time to revert to sarcasm again, buddy
@trixwiz7 Fuck you really are retarded aint ya...you still think your a celt do ya ? lol...best you go read some 21st century studies mate....tough luck.....and I agree ireland should be united.....under British rule....quite simply really.....and I see you cannot answer my question about the UVF then ?....no suprise there then...you plastic fenians very rarely do have an answer when challenged lol......oh and you consider Britain a "different basket" do ya ? LMFAO...pathetic
@Thundernuts691 What are you on about? I never said I'm a Celt? I've about a quarter Irish blood, but I've haven't traced if further than 150 years, I've much more English blood. My understanding is that Irish blood is derived from the Celts and from the Basque regions. I consider the UK/Eire different to Europe because they're small islands as opposed to massive continent with considerably more/different tribes/races. Geographically apples & oranges.
@trixwiz7 I don't really care "what you consider different", this is simply because it beats your pathetic attempt of an argument to death lol, and given take you are the "full Englishman" I would consider YOU the glad follower of the British conquests, and given the recent success of the BNP in England I will save you the chore and forward your application to the KKK for you....oh and PS... the size of an island is totally irrelevant to the thought process of nationality or self determination
@Thundernuts691 I'm genuinely glad that Britain not France took terra australis, & even support the constitutional monarchy in Aus. I'm proud of British achievements in science, literature, music, politics, inventing sports. But it doesn't excuse barbarism that has occurred. I should think you subscribe to BNP's politics, you believe in modern British colonisation. PS- the size of a nation WITH its composition of different races is relevant to its perceived nationality
@Thundernuts691 I can answer your UVF question, I didn't think it was serious, it's that laughable. They shoot and butcher people to spread fear, ergo terrorist, ergo opposite to democratic values. Are you that stupid to think they're not anti-democratic? And all Ireland under British rule, when were you born, 1707? I suppose you support mass slaughter of Australian Aborigines & Indians under the British Govt as well? Do you regularly attend KKK meetings as well?
@Thundernuts691 Wake up, the majority of people on mainland UK don't care tuppence about NI, they think it should join the Irish Republic. I mentioned Mountbatten subscribed to that view, most politicians, social/political/philosophical commentators do too. Most CofE people do. My mother's uncle fought FOR the British Army in NI in the late 70s, he thinks it should just become part of the Irish Republic and you lot wasted some of his mates lives. Btw I left you 2 other comments
@trixwiz7 I nearly fell asleep half way through the first comment....so most English etc want it to be a united Ireland do they ? please provide the source of your comment. ie poll, referendum etc...then I will listen...otherwise you are full of rockinghorse shit, and trust me it was not "my people" that wasted anyones life...that would be the anti democratic IRA...and please provide JUST ONE incident where the UVF obstructed the democratic process ?...put up or shut up time ....
@Thundernuts691 Most English people either dont care about whether NI is part of the UK or believe NI should be part of a united Ireland. Im sure there are such polls and I'll endeavour to find them for you. In the meantime, be content with the fact that most of my UK family & friends, few of whom are Catholic, & people in general who I've discussed politics with, think you're living in the middle ages. Agreed IRA wasted peoples lives. Any UVF atrocity counts as obstructing democracy, dumb arse
@trixwiz7 Like I said.....no source....so you are simply full of shit wee lad....no suprise.....surely if your quoting such "facts" that you have read studies and recent polls ?....or (as we know is the case) are you just spouting shite from an uneducated position ***shock***
@Thundernuts691 Well look up any Loyalist paramilitary atrocity, top of my head Shankill Butchers, and that amounts to a vehemently anti-democratic act, a la IRA, I don't need to source that. As for being thus far unable to find you a poll to suggest most of mainland UK want NI to join ROI/don't care, find me a poll to suggest otherwise. Face it almost all Labour/Lib Dems would support that proposition and about half the Tories would too. You've probs got BNP, UKIP, lol
@trixwiz7 LMFAO...no source then wee lad ?.....google your wee heart out have we ? LOL..listen you muppet...accept you know fuck all about fuck all concerning my country....will save anyone who actually does know anything laughing at you even more than they are now, and please...PLEASE explain how the Shankil Butchers killing random people is "anti democratic"...secterian...yes....but please please please explain the "anti democratic" thing....I can hardly fucking wait for the answer !!!!!
@Thundernuts691 It's done (in part) with a view to spreading enough fear to arrest Republican spirit and activity (legal and illegal). Lest political status quo changes. That's anti-democratic. Ballot paper for bullets applies to both sides. I should've given you a better example of a Loyalist killing because I suspect the Shankill Butchers were criminally insane and probably would've ended up butchering people regardless of political circumstance. You're more bigoted than Paisley and Adams pal
@trixwiz7 You obviously know fuck all about it mate...the vast amount of loyalist attacks & killings were in retaliation for republican attacks/killings, ie if the republicans did not attack then the loyalists did not attack....republicans being the instigator/aggressor's....someone like you can (just) be forgiven for not seeing the woods for the trees, I was born & bred in Belfast and know exactly what I am talking about...your position is one of pure arrogance without the benefit of knowledge
@Thundernuts691 You raise a sort of valid point re republican attack, loyalist reprisal. But bearing in mind that Loyalists for reasons unknown striked/counter-protested the IRA's peaceful 60s protests, all legit just immoral to the core. Bearing that in mind and the high number of violent Loyalist attacks, I think it's fair to call them anti-democratic (in the past). Remember, the IRA AND the Loyalists have both been called on the trade ballot paper for bullets
@trixwiz7 I know where you are coming from mate but I don't think you quite get the "ballot & bullets" thing, it was the IRA/Sinn Fein who used the bullet AND the ballot box...and the IRA did not have peacefull protests..that was the civil rights movement...NOT the IRA...as a matter of fact Ivan Cooper (a protestant MP) who was in charge of the civil rights march on Bloody Sunday pleaded with the IRA for no violence....and PS...I aint defending loyalists..murder is murder...no difference
@Thundernuts691 Yeah I refer to NICRA's protests about '64, but I thought this comprised of (or was "blessed" by) the then Marxist oriented IRA, which at the time was peaceful enough. In any case, an interesting paradox has sprung up today in that NI has a Unionist majority in its Catholic community but (I can't prove it but I think it based on experience) the majority of mainland UK favours united Ireland/doesn't care. So long as democratic process & peace reign, NI's people =the overall winner
@trixwiz7 Mate the reason you cannot prove it is simply because it does not exist, I have several business interests throughout England and therefore spend a good bit of time there and have never came across these pro irish reunificationists....to be perfectly honest I spend quite a bit of time in the south of Ireland and the large majority of people I talk to about this have practically no interest in the north, and if so then where are all these English protests for a "united Ireland" ?
@Thundernuts691 In my experience in the UK, the popular (centre-leftist) take is, while being quietly proud of British achievements in science, literature, exporting democracy, to condemn British colonisation on the whole and thus either prefer the idea of a united Ireland or don't care about NI being in the UK. Most of my family and friends in the UK subscribe to that belief, I think almost all Labour/Lib Dems would, and about half the Tories too. But it's not a big issue, hence hard to prove
@trixwiz7 Check your terminology mate, Northern Ireland is not a colony, It is a fully qualified constituent country of the UK/Britain, and hence NOT a colony. So the main part of your argument kinda falls down.
@Thundernuts691 This isn't an argument, this is my experience of opinion in the UK. I know NI's a constituent country of the UK but it's current political situation is the result of British colonisation, and that's what the centre to leftist Briton feels the need to move away from. Quietly proud of British achievements but in favour of progress from colonisation, for that reason when asked, most British people of the type I've described would say they think NI should be ROI or they don't care
@trixwiz7 Well do me a little favour then, if they are so against colonisation then fine....but I will make my very simple point yet again...Northern Ireland was NEVER COLONISED, please do not make me repeat myself yet again, you are implying you want a grown up debate & expression of opinions, fine by me...but in doing so you must accept historical facts, do to otherwise is just laughable, if you are too lazy to do any real research then at least read the info on my channel for a quick insight
@Thundernuts691 Ireland was colonised/occupied whichever you prefer by Britain, then the Anglo-Irish Treaty saw the rest of Ireland become Irish Free State. In any event NI's current political status is in part due to it being a fragment of British occupation/settlement, and that is what the people whom I describe seek to move away from.
Colonised mightn't be as appropriate a term as occupied or governed, but the idea's much the same
@Thundernuts691 Right back at you. Honestly, how would you categorise Britain's political influence in Ireland from, well from the Papal Bull, then Thomas Cromwell, but ostensibly from 1800 until 1921? I concede "colonised" was an inappropriate verb because it implies Ireland was a colony. But governed (certainly from Act of Union onwards), occupied under Cromwell and settled, how much Northern Irish lineage goes back to English who settled? You're being ridiculous. You, dear boy, are the moron
@trixwiz7 Oh right, so your "friends" are against British colonialism and therefore have such strong views, yet you freely admit it was not colonised but retain the same thought process ?...oh trust me mate you are the only moron in this debate. And please explain how a place can be colonised/governed/occupied by the indigenous people of the same place ? less of your bullshit wee lad, just answer the fucking question...really interested in your answer...
@Thundernuts691 My goodness you must have a screw loose. You're suggesting English people are indigenous to Ireland? You admit Ireland was occupied, settled and governed by the British. That amounts to much the same thing as colonisation; oppression. And yes any person who's not a neo-Nazi, unlike you, is against colonisation and occupation. My friends and family certainly are. For that reason, if asked, they say they think NI should join ROI, in order to move away from the feudal ties you adore
@trixwiz7 I am not suggesting anything, simply stating historical fact...I cannot help it if you are an idiot that does not like the truth, the island of ireland not only was an integral part of mainland Britain (physically) it was also first populated by people from same, if you can actually manage to surgically remove your head from your arse you might actually see the truth !...it is a wise man that can at least digest anothers argument long enough to see for himself if it carries any weight
@Thundernuts691 Christ, this is like arguing with a Holocaust denier. 1) I'm explaining why plenty of people, when questioned, say they'd prefer a United Ireland/don't care about NI. It's because they believe that land was gained from British oppression of Ireland. Strictly speaking, that need never have happened but the fact they believe that would be enough to explain why their political preferences differ from yours. But as it happens, that land was an ill-gotten gain
@Thundernuts691 2) I totally agree with your last statement, if only you could adhere to it. Instead you argue semantics with no bearing and go off on tenuous tangents whenever you find an argument uncomfortable. British people are not indigenous to Ireland, yes the two were once attached, millennia and millennia ago. So was every continent during Pangaea, Australia was attached to Antarctica and Asia. You're seriously messed up if you use that to justify your emotionally charged bullshit
@trixwiz7 Oh right so Ireland was not first inhabited by people from the British mainland post iceage ?...please tell us who did then ?....and thank you for confirming the people with an anti Ulster/united Ireland opinion are based on ignorance of reality. And please excuse my "emotions", it is mainly fustration when I hear idiots talk about my country with strong opinions based on Chinese whispers and old wives tales...I accept facts, you dont, so you would be the holocaust denier chum
@Thundernuts691 Lol, I didn't say you were a Holocaust denier, I'm certainly not, so you're refutation of that statement doesn't entail I am. I implied you're as rational as a Holocaust denier, you ought to learn about propositional logic, for starters. The Celts arrived in the Bronze Age and eventually became most prevalent, before them were people from Scotland. That doesn't make Britons indigenous to Ireland, it means they arrived first then intermingled with a predominantly Celtic people
@Thundernuts691 Firstly, I didn't call you a Holocaust denier, thus refuting that claim (if valid) doesn't entail that I'm. I implied you were as rational as a Holocaust denier, you'd do yourself a favour reading up on basic propositional logic. Anyway, the Celts arrived in the Bronze Age & became the most prevalent people in Ireland. Before them were peoples from Scotland however the Celts warred with them &the two amalgamated. Britons aren't indigenous to Ireland, they were the first to arrive
@trixwiz7 1, by your "logic" it could be said that basically nowhere on the planet apart from Africa/Asia etc have indigenous people then ? = Joke..2, supply one source that PROVES the celts ever arrived, there is evidence of their culture but none of their presence on these islands, and if they ever did where is the DNA proof ? and I never said you called me a holocaust denier, I do wish you would read things properly and stick to the facts.
@Thundernuts691 1)You tried refuting what I'd said and then said that I "would be the holocaust denier", the logic of entailment suggests the implication of that statement is that you thought I'd called you a Holocaust denier. 2)It's not my "logic" of what determines an aboriginal. The people called Australian Aborigines are aborigines, any anthropologist worth his salt, can attest to that, just as any decent anthropologist would never say Britons are native to Ireland, recall Indonesia e.g.
@Thundernuts691 3) Even if the Irish have no Celtic blood (which is dubious), it comes to the same thing: the Irish people were subjugated by the British (who, as I've proved, are not native to Ireland), and that is widely perceived as similarly distasteful as colonisation. And as colonisation/subjugation (by which NI was gained) is unpopular, plenty of people in the UK (least the ones I'm related to or friends with, for the most part) think NI should join ROI or don't care about it being in UK
@trixwiz7 Yeah we are all good, but lets be frank (shit be Wilma for all I care) you have proven zilch, you failed to prove the celts issue, and you gave a quite farcical attempt at the whole "indigenous" issue, and just as a point of interest, the island of Australia would have been totally covered for thousands of years by ice and totally uninhabited by humans(the same as Ireland), so its current & original ie indigenous peoples would have came from another country....follow the logic...
@Thundernuts691 I don't care about the Celts issue, if you're right it has no bearing on legitimacy/morality of British conquest of Ireland. Re the whole indigenous issue, you're absolutely right in your last line, and that's what I said. The Australian Aborigines island-hopped from Indonesia. Nevertheless they're still considered by anthropologists to be indigenous to Australia. Indonesian people aren't in any way native to Australia, in the same way the British aren't native to Ireland. Cheers
@trixwiz7 Yes you have just made my point !...the island of ireland was totally without humans when the first people from Britain came to it !...HENCE the same anthropologists would consider the first irish to have been British and therfore the indigenous peoples, I accept the point your trying to make that it does not prove ownership but the irish try and make out they have nothing to do with Britain !...and are basically another species lol...time for a quick reality check me thinks....
@Thundernuts691 4)All this is pretty irrelevant, because as we've said most Northern Irish (even Catholics) prefer to remain part of UK (I can't say I blame them, pragmatically speaking). And while a large number of people in mainland UK might favour idea of ROI, they all believe the people of Northern Ireland should have self-determination. So unless you take issue with any of that spiel shall we call it a day? So long as peace reigns in NI and Proddies and Catholics prosper, I'm happy enough
@Thundernuts691 Sorry I thought that comment hadn't posted properly the first time, so I did it again. Look the first people to come to Australia (about 40, 000 years ago) were from Indonesia. Does that makes Indonesians native to Australia, as you suggest British people are to Ireland? Of course not. Moreover after them came more developed people from other islands, I think, (you can see differences in physical appearance today) and the 2 became mixed an became known as our Aborigines
@trixwiz7 And the catholic community of NI having a unionist majority is no suprise, they always have been. But Sinn Fein/IRA are very very good at the PR game, far better than the Prods lol, they managed to still get sympathy whilst murdering innocent women & babies both in NI and England....at that they were very good, they boasted the full support of the catholic/republican community....FAR from the reality, the majority simply feared them and hence played along...sad really
The USA discovered in 1812 that you can change those those. Canadians remember white house as their deliverance from the Americans to a British conpany. But is what is not taught in Canada, is we were them and we don't kill ourselfs.
bweber2k 2 months ago
@bweber2k seriously interesting use of the english language
willyovertits 3 weeks ago
until the last six counties are given to Ireland.....I will support the those that wish the county to be reunited......England is the the terriorist here.,!!!!
bweber2k 2 months ago
@bweber2k England can't be a terrorist because it is not an independent country it is in a voluntary union with scotland, wales and the six counties in NI. The IRA and loyalist paramilitaries were the terrorists and the americans who supported them!
jonoessex 2 months ago
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@jonoessex England never asked Ireland if it wanted to be British!
harpicecold1916 1 month ago
@jonoessex and that cunt gaddafi
steven8hamilton 1 week ago
If a government unjustly passes a law or ordinance, citizens are under no obligation to obey.
worldslinger81 7 months ago
@worldslinger81 HAHAHAHAHAHAHA....THIS COMMENT COMING FROM A FUCKING YANK !!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHA...TELL ME BITCH HOWS THE WHOLE FUCKING "PATRIOT ACT" GOING ?....RUNNING ABOUT BREAKING IT ARE YA ????....NAH DID NOT FUCKING THINK SO !!!...NOW RUN ALONG AND GET 12 McFATBASTARD BURGERS FOR YOUR BREAKFAST YOU COCK !!!!....... AND WHILE YOU ARE AT IT...GET THE FUCK OUT OF A COUNTRY THAT AINT YOURS !!!..AND STOP AND APOLOGISE TO EVERY FUCKING NATIVE INDIAN ON ROUTE !!.......PATHETIC HYPOCRITE
Thundernuts691 7 months ago
@Thundernuts691 aye get out of a country that aint yours? Im sure then you'll be supporting the IRA in their struggle for freedom. so im sure you loved it when they blew babies up didnt ye. did you prefer when they blew the babies up or shot them you scumbag
MrPartyBhoy 6 months ago
@MrPartyBhoy The ira are the scummiest pieces of shite ever to walk the planet.......
Thundernuts691 6 months ago
@Thundernuts691 You have no clue. Shaddap
SubZero1703 5 months ago
@SubZero1703 oh yeah ?...how come dickhead, and what makes you think you know better ?
Thundernuts691 5 months ago
@Thundernuts691 How am I supposed to not obey the Patriot Act? It's not a law that forces me to behave a certain way. It's the government spying on me. How am I supposed to keep the government from spying on me?
worldslinger81 4 months ago
@worldslinger81 Cheers for the speedy reply ya muppet....and don't come back with " I have a life" as we all know that aint true don't we......I see you are not contesting the whole "I live in a country that aint mine" issue ?....very wise.....given that you don't have a leg to stand on.....
Thundernuts691 4 months ago
@Thundernuts691 Maybe we all don't live on fucking Youtube you fucktard. And this country is fucking mine you dumb fuck. In pretty much every country the people who live their now replaced the people who came before them. So don't try to lay that stupid bullshit on me. I didn't kill any fucking Native Americans and I sure as hell didn't stick them on reservations. And what fucking part of the U.K. are you from?
worldslinger81 4 months ago
@worldslinger81 I am from Belfast you fucking retard....now do you get it you fuckwitted prick ?
Thundernuts691 4 months ago
@Thundernuts691 Here's what you need to get: I was just making a comment about people fighting against unjust laws. I didn't criticize or berate anyone. I don't know why you thought you had to go ape shit on me. Just because my government has done wrong doesn't mean I've lost the right to make comments like that. I am not responsible for what Bush fucking did. So fuck off.
worldslinger81 4 months ago
@worldslinger81 Fuck you really are retarded aint ya !!...it was THE PEOPLE of America that helped fund, support and train the ira, millions of US dollars were happily given to baby murdering animals so they could slaughter innocent people in Northern Ireland in the name of "irish Americans", and as far as "bloody sunday" is concerned the Brits will now shower them with cash...solves every irish issues....thats how they fixed Adams & Marty boy...CASH....so YOU fuck off gobshite
Thundernuts691 4 months ago
@Thundernuts691 Instead of ranting and raving at someone that 's got an opinion on N.I. and this horrible horrible day that I do very well remember holding someone's stomach together while he lie on the road. Just because someone isn't from Ireland doesn't mean they are retarded on their views.
Ms2blackcats 3 months ago
@Ms2blackcats Whats wrong ?...truth hurt ?...have I stated something that was not accurate ?...if so please point this out ?...and please do not bore me with "war stories", if you want to start that shit I can gladly tell you about shovelling my mates off the streets into plastic bags because of the filth that you call freedom fighters, so don't even fucking go there.... or do you think there is a difference in the value of life ?
Thundernuts691 3 months ago
Bullet or Ballot. Our time will come. SAOIRSE ANOIS! Britain out of Ireland! Up the RA
BlakeChelseaFan 7 months ago
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child molesting catholic terrorists deserve to get shot. anymore of your cunting antics in britain and dublin should be nuked
yahoopig 8 months ago
where were the irish when hitler was doing his thing ?
scott053 8 months ago
@scott053 alot of irish men fought and died in war, look it up
seanymo 7 months ago
@seanymo no doubt they did,my point was not taking sides !
scott053 7 months ago
@scott053 no problem, niether was mine :)
seanymo 7 months ago
no niestety anglicy rządzą się swoimi prawami bo mieszkają na wyspie daleko od cywilizacji, chronią i stoją tylko po stronie angielskich obywateli, wiem to bo mieszkałem 1,5 roku w GB
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english government got it's own rules, english people are living on there own island far away from civilisation, police and army serve and protect only english citizens, i know this because i've been living there and working for 18 months (i'm sorry about textual errors, my english is not good)
bertone122 9 months ago
Mighty English? - Cowardly Bastards. The only war yiz won was when you fought 10 to 1 like in Ireland. Want Northern Ireland back? I dont think you could win it even if yiz did want it and you know it....
balbrigganbomber 10 months ago
British troops must be pulled from the hell out of ireland, ireland inglorious British soldiers get out of the fight for freedom with the British troops must die if necessary when we wake up to the war of independence have not forgotten the spirit of ira live to fight to remain free until the people of ireland ireland t let them burn down the British in the shops on the street cars at night tert beat hospitalized Let's fuck wherever in Ireland
atilla2014hotmeil 1 year ago
Youtube 'Jimmy McGovern The Bogside Massacre' if you want to see the most disturbing portrayal of Bloody Sunday ever put on film. Alternatively, just look at my videos; I've uploaded it.
AmJustBeingHonest 1 year ago
Long Live William Wallace and to Hell with the Queen.... panzies
kaos567 1 year ago
@kaos567 william wallace is scottish
ghosttheman 11 months ago
@ghosttheman You will need to forgive "kaos567" mate, he is a yank and therefore knows very little....
Thundernuts691 11 months ago
@Thundernuts691 he just got the information wrong lol us irish always gets mistaking for scottish
ghosttheman 11 months ago
Pity they use U2´s music their anti republican wankers
martintierney100 1 year ago
Respect to you brave freedom fighers the world knows the british are the real terrorists
MrMickroast 1 year ago 25
@MrMickroast "freedom fighters"... you mean baby murdering pieces of shite ?..... the ones that bomb high streets in the middle of a shopping Saturday.... explain "freedom fighter" ?
Thundernuts691 1 year ago
@Thundernuts691 shut the fuck up you hun cunt the ra are freedom fighters what about your british army opening fire on innoent unarmed civillians attending a football match or opening fire on innocent armed protesters, not to mention the hundreds of other atrocitys your british army have commited in ireland and around the world, its the british empire who are the murdererng pigs son and dont fucking it
libertycaps666 1 year ago
@libertycaps666 "innocent armed protesters" ???? & "don't fucking it" ?... what are you ?...special needs or something ? LMFAO.... you must admit bloody Sunday was well good shooting skills like....come on....praise where its due like LMFAO
Thundernuts691 1 year ago
@Thundernuts691 Bloody Sunday not forgotten we got 18 and Mountbatten!
cohagan16 1 year ago
@cohagan16 well done you, gee did you do well or what !....Gee my memory aint that good so could you remind me how many perished in the Monaghan & Dublin bombings ?... was it 33 by any chance ?.... so lets see...18 + 1 = 19......33....you get my drift fuckwit lol...run along knobjockey
Thundernuts691 1 year ago
@Thundernuts691 You know the IRA will rear its head again. I just hope it affects you and your family when it does. And il be like yeah we can craft some damn good bombs like BOOM xD
Padgeify 8 months ago
@Padgeify In your wet dreams wee lad...try Dublin & Monaghan....now they were bombs....LMFAO...the ra is far too busy running its whore houses and drug dealin....even the CIRA.....putrid scum every one....and you wee boy are just a turd...no more....no less......
Thundernuts691 8 months ago
@libertycaps666 OH RIGHT SO IT WAS BRITSH ARMY THAT OPENED FIRE IN CROAK PARK WAS IT ?...YOU THICK FUCK !!!... YOU DRAG THE IRISH EVEN FURTHER DOWN THE FOOD CHAIN YOU PRIESTS BUTTBOY.....AND "INNOCENT ARMED PROTESTERS" ?...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...YOU ARE SERIOUSLY THE THICKEST WINDOWLICKER I HAVE EVER MET !!! LMFAO....OH BY THE WAY YOU CANNOT SPELL FOR SHIT YOU FUCKWITT....BEST STICK TO SUCKING PRIESTS OFF WEE LAD HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Thundernuts691 7 months ago
@Thundernuts691 in your comment to libertycaps666 you say the british army did not open fire in croak park. How is that exactly?
seanymo 7 months ago
@seanymo Are you seriously askin me this ?...I thought you plastic fenians were meant to know your history ?....it was not the British Army that opened fire in Croak Park...it was the RIC....and there was no armoured car on the pitch either....
Thundernuts691 7 months ago
@Thundernuts691 In response to the growing support for an irish uprising in ireland, the british government put together a number of paramilitary groups of its own, namely the black and tans and the auxillaries. The auxillaries were responsible for the actions on the first bloody sunday and they were mainly constructed of ex british army officers that had been drafted in for the job. And no i am not a "plastic fenian" i am irish born, raised and proud, it is you who is the minority not me...
seanymo 7 months ago
@seanymo oh I think you will find I am the majority in my country and don't forget it bitch
Thundernuts691 7 months ago
@Thundernuts691 wind your neck in you imbocile, you have no substance, brains or respect
seanymo 7 months ago
@seanymo I have absolutely zero respect for putrid turds that glorify the murder of women, kids & babies.... your low life scum that put your interests over that of anyone else.... I very much doubt you could even count as high as my IQ you cerebrally challenged penis
Thundernuts691 7 months ago
@Thundernuts691 who is glorifying the murder of "women kids and babies?"
seanymo 7 months ago
@seanymo Fuck I love this bit...so your denying your support for Irish republicanism ?... come on bitch down the path you come......
Thundernuts691 7 months ago
@Thundernuts691 if you think all that irish republicanism amounts to is "the murder of women kids and babies" then you are an idiot
seanymo 7 months ago
@seanymo No dickhead, if you think otherwise then you are simply deluded....
Thundernuts691 7 months ago
@Thundernuts691 you clearly are just a sectarian loyalist wannabe. You will never understand anything because you are blinded by your own ignorance
seanymo 7 months ago
@seanymo LOL your a penis you is very obviously in denial of the facts, the blood of innocent women, children & babies will forever cover the hands of irish republicanism, you can try and bullshit the yanks about your "freedom fighter" crap but for those of us who were born & bred in Belfast and lived through the troubles we will always remember the putrid shite for what it is.....run along now you little lover of baby killers...you are disgusting...
Thundernuts691 7 months ago
@Thundernuts691 i am born and bred in mBeal Feirste also. mistakes were made on all sides. Loyalist paramilitaries killed women and children as well as the british army and the ruc. It was the loyalist paramilitaries which started the tit for tat war. In the beginining the targets of the I.R.A. were british soldiers, R.U.C. and key economic targets. It was not until the loyalist paramilitaries began murdering catholic civilians that the tit for tat war began.
seanymo 7 months ago
@seanymo Well your either badly dyslexic or geographically challenged, it's Belfast ...like it or not..go read a map....and of course the ira were running garden parties and church fete's until them bad loyalist's started...you see the reason loyalists hit the people they did is because the ira hid behind them... truth hurts I know....but since the ira killed far more women, children & babies than anyone else, and more catholics than the BA & RUC put together we all know who the dickheads are..
Thundernuts691 7 months ago
@Thundernuts691 belfast is also known as mbeal feirste the gaelic form, it is well sign posted throughout ireland as mbeal feirste and there are gaeltacht quarters in belfast. The I.R.A. hid behind no one, they were very secretive and professional in the operations and that is why they are an undefeated army and the loyalist paramilitaries found it so difficult to target members, instead they murdered based on religon and not affiliation.
seanymo 7 months ago
@seanymo They hid behind the women in the estates, I would not expect a child like you to know shit apart from daddies hero stories lol....and those signs are also in English & don't forget it bitch, and the ira could never beat the British Army hence they gave up LMFAO...sure if they were doing so well why stop ?...if they were so close to bringing Britain to its knees why give up ?....now run along and ask a grown up about the troubles since you were not here at the time.....
Thundernuts691 7 months ago
@Thundernuts691 "they hid behind the women in the estates" pure shit. Show me some evidence you idiot. just because you say something doesnt make it so. I know those signs are in english i can read, what is your point? The british army could not defeat the I.R.A. much like how they will never beat the taliban, because their presence in their country is enough of a reason for people to sign up. No matter how many people the british kill their will always be the youth to take their place
seanymo 7 months ago
@Thundernuts691 The I.R.A. decomissioned because times had changed and the catholic communities were no longer descriminated against at such a high degree, also their political representitives no longer supported an armed campaign as it had done its function and now were seeking political means for a resolution. That is why the I.R.A. decomissioned. I dont need to "run allong" and ask people about the troubles, i know full well about the troubles from reading the documentation that is there
seanymo 7 months ago
@seanymo Well trust me wee lad the ira had nowhere else to go...they done their best and it did not work pure and simple....stop reading sinn fein propaganda and read some real history books...I was there and trust me they aint the heroes you think they are...they are putrid to the core.... or do you think an ira "man" is a hero when he stands less than 10ft away from a 6 month old baby girl and empties an AK-47 into her ?..FACT... people like you forget...we never will...never...
Thundernuts691 7 months ago
@Thundernuts691 i dont read sinn feinn propaganda, infact i have never even seen any sinn feinn propaganda about the I.R.A. The I.R.A. are heroes as they fought for my civil rights when i was too young to fight for them my self, they fought against descrimination and oppression on my and everyones behalf. What case are you talkin about when an I.R.A. emptied a full clip into 6 month old from 10 foot away?
seanymo 7 months ago
@seanymo What case ?...oh dear, something tells me you don't know the ira just as well as you think you do.....next you will be telling me you dont know about how the ira gunned down 10 completely innocent men just for being prods....or firebombing a dog show ? or firing machine guns into a church while adults & children knelt praying ?....or do you think I am making this shit up ?....all for the sake of "your civil rights" of course...which of course makes it all ok.....
Thundernuts691 7 months ago
@Thundernuts691 well how do you expect to have a debate/argument when you do not fully state what you are talking about, i could just as easily ramble off attrocities committed by loyalist paramilitaries but i don't.
seanymo 7 months ago
@seanymo Oh right could ya....go ahead...ramble off similar attrocities.......
Thundernuts691 7 months ago
@Thundernuts691 why should i? do you really want to get into a "who done what" debate, like two school children?
seanymo 7 months ago
@seanymo I know you don't because they committed more attrocities than anyone else and while "fighting for your civil rights" killed more catholics than the British army & RUC put together......yeah I reckon you really don't want to get into an debate like that....do you....nice to know you still call them heroes though....
Thundernuts691 7 months ago
@Thundernuts691 why do you keep saying the killed more catholics than anyone else? what is your point? This is not about religon, it is about equality and unification of ireland
seanymo 7 months ago
@seanymo are you that niave ?... mate nobody can defend the way catholics were treated in the north.... but they could always take a short drive to a country that would have welcomed them...and either way the minute the picked up weapons and started killing they lost the argument instantly...and I keep saying that because they did kill more catholics...and catholics achieved "equality" a long long time ago and the ra kept killing...open your eyes
Thundernuts691 7 months ago
@Thundernuts691 no i am not niave. Why should an irish catholic, move to the south of Ireland, away from their home and place of birth to escape unlawful descrimination when they are just as much a citizen of the region as any other citizen? Why should the unionist community have their way? Yes the I.R.A. did kill more catholics, but again what is your point? are you suggesting that because of a person's religon they are immune to the effects of an I.R.A bullet?
seanymo 7 months ago
@seanymo "Why should the unionist community have their way?" ?..its called DEMOCRACY you feckin muppet !!..and no the republican movement did not go down every avenue before bloodshed....or did the blacks of America become terrorists too did they ?....so absolutely zero excuse...nada...zilch....zip .... just putrid baby killers....gee what heroes....more like fucking zeroes.....
Thundernuts691 7 months ago
@Thundernuts691 what kind of democratic government ignores the plight of a significent proportion of the population? The essence of a democratic government is that officials are elected by the population fairly to represent them. Democracy was void because of the gerrymandering of votes, strategic implentation of voting boundaries so that the catholic communities would be the minority etc. Alot of the coloured population also supported the black panthers and their fight for equality
seanymo 7 months ago
@seanymo Sorry mate but the "essence" of democracy is the majority rule....and years & years on catholics are still a minority in NI so democracy was never void...it simply did not suit you but the majority of voters, and the black panther comment is pathetic.....
Thundernuts691 7 months ago
@Thundernuts691 the essence of democracy is not majority rule. Democracy must have an alternative voice in order to argue its case and fight for the majority of votes. But irish communities political voice was muted by the british and unionist politicians in power. How can democracy be with-held when a significent proportion of the population is ignored and prevented from raising its issues in stormont? How is my blank panther comment pathetic? The black panthers used similar tactics
seanymo 7 months ago
@seanymo terrorists were gagged via the media....why do you make shit up to bolster your argument ?...and were catholics being hanged from the trees were they ?
And it was you lot that would not take part in government...cannot have it both ways......
Thundernuts691 7 months ago
@Thundernuts691 what have i made up? not sure what you mean by terrorists were gagged via the media. Catholics were not being hanged from the trees, but they oppressed and descriminated against on a daily basis, they were treated as second class citizens. Sinn fein did take part but they did not take their seats, as a form of protest
seanymo 7 months ago
@seanymo Yeah and their "form of protest" ensured the hardship suffered by catholics continued for as long as possible...fuck you people really are blind aint ya... and where are they now exactly ?....why not protest now ?...because the catholics have been used to the shinners ends...why do you think 10 hunger strikers died before they accepted the same deal that was on the table for weeks & weeks before....because you were played like a fiddle........
Thundernuts691 7 months ago
@Thundernuts691 Sinn feinn did not take their seats in westminster as they refused to accept that part of ireland should be ruled from a foreign country. They have now taking their seats in stormount because of the devolution of power to the north. Sinn finn were against the hunger strikes and did not want these men to die. Men like bobby sands and joe mcdonnell put their own lives on the line for their people, their blood is on the hands of margaret thatcher.
seanymo 7 months ago
@seanymo Do you think it is possible that at sometime during this chat you could possibly spell "Sinn Fein" correctly ?....just a thought...... a devolved government ? LMFAO...they cannot even change the corporation tax ffs !...without begging London...devolved my arse...and there are the shinners...all pleased with themselves lol... and it was the shinners who controlled the hunger strikers....not believe me ?... go read your own an phoblacht rag and then come back and say sorry......
Thundernuts691 7 months ago
@Thundernuts691 wow big deal i spelt a word wrong. By "they" i suppose you mean mr Robinson and Mcguinness? It is a coalition! so how can you use this to attack me, when the unionist representitive is in the same boat?
seanymo 7 months ago
@seanymo The unionists have always taken part in government...do try and make sense.......
Thundernuts691 7 months ago
@seanymo i did not say the unionists did not takepart in government, please do try to make sense. You are making fun of sinn fein taking part in a devolved government when the unionist representive is in the same boat
seanymo 7 months ago
@seanymo Your telling me to make sense while replying to your own comment ?...whatever cockmuncher ....accept that sinn fein are now on the British payroll wee lad....lifes a bitch LMFAO
Thundernuts691 7 months ago
@Thundernuts691 do you think i give a toss whether sinn fein are being paid by the british? They pay taxes to the british so they deserve every british pound they get. It is quite clear you have not got the foggiest what you are talking about. Just another sectarian arsehole, who speaks before thinking.
seanymo 7 months ago
@seanymo HAHAHAHAHA...YOU are the biggest sectarian arsehole I have ever met ! LMFAO...who the fuck do you think you are kidding wee boy ?...I lived through the troubles and know what I know...what does a wee spotty faced child like you know....shall I tell you ?.......FUCK ALL.....now run along and get yer mammy to change yer nappy little yin.....fucking idiot
Thundernuts691 7 months ago
@Thundernuts691 How exactly am i a sectarian arsehole? when have i said anything remotely sectarian? And by the way i am not child. If anything by you living through the troubles you are more susceptible to bias. I know what i know by forming my own unbiased oppinion by using my brain. Something you yourself should try doing
seanymo 7 months ago
@seanymo Not only are you a bigot, you are a thick bigot..."The I.R.A. are heroes" ?....and show me once where you have defended a prods rights ?...if you are sooooo even handed ?....well ?....you are only a little boy who can hardly spell so I cannot really imagine you are too well read, you have shown that you know practically nothing of the troubles.....go play with your ipad mate..... you baby murdering lover....
Thundernuts691 7 months ago
@Thundernuts691 i dont have to show you anything, i know my self i am not a bigot or sectrian. I have worked with protestants in the past and would consider some of my protestant friends to be my good friends. Religon has nothing to do with it. And by the way i am not "a little boy" and i dont have an ipad? It is you who appears as very immature. You are clutching at straws and making assumptions about me when you don't even know who i am, grow up
seanymo 7 months ago
@seanymo You do not want to show me as you are unable to and therefore clearly I was correct in calling you a bigot.....so have you praised any of your favourite baby murderers lately ?.... quite sad really from a wee lad who very obviously knows very very little about this subject......you really should get an ipad though....they are great......
Thundernuts691 7 months ago
@Thundernuts691 take a look in the mirror you sectarian U.V.F. shag bag
seanymo 7 months ago
@seanymo Oh dear dear, we have resorted to desperate measures have we not wee fella ...... listen....I am sure your not the worst guy on the planet, simply misled...the subject matter of this video & comments have basically nothing to do with you...mearly history for someone that had nothing to do with the events in question.....you have an uneducated opinion,,,no more no less....what will be will be...... just accept your opinion for what it is.....
Thundernuts691 7 months ago
@Thundernuts691 Excuse me but my opinions are based on the saville report which was accepted by the british prime minister and from reading up on the troubles in my country. I am not an I.R.A. member nor is anyone in my family. I have zero ties with any I.R.A. affiliated person nor do i support the republican paramilitaries of today, just because i have republican views does not make me "a baby murdering lover" it was you that insulted me to begin with
seanymo 7 months ago
@seanymo Yeah, like I said you know nothing about it, and anyone who states "the IRA are heroes" and as we all know the IRA killed plenty of babies...so by clear definition you are an admirer of baby killers.....tell me did you prefer when they shot the babies or did you like it when they blew them up ?....which one made you the proudest ?
Thundernuts691 7 months ago
@Thundernuts691 you really are a low life bitter person arent you. You are twisting my words a great deal. You support the british army and i bet (althought you will deny it) support loyalist paramilitaries and yet they have killed many innocent people including women and children also. War is a nasty buisiness and unfortunately people die sometimes innocent people, on all sides. That is very hypocritical on your part.
seanymo 7 months ago
@seanymo Yeah bold effort you desperate little penis...but lets stick to the FACTS shall we ?....it is YOU that holds baby murderers as "heroes" NOT ME ...I have never expressed any support for murdering scum...that was YOU.... now answer my question you little putrid piece of shite....did you prefer your heroes shooting little babies or blowing them up ?....come on !!!...answer PROUDLY !!!!
Thundernuts691 7 months ago
@Thundernuts691 Goodbye you horrible sack of shit, i will not discuss with someone who resorts to such a low level.
seanymo 7 months ago
@seanymo Just statin the facts loser....now go on.... run along....SHOO
Thundernuts691 7 months ago
@Thundernuts691 The British Army are killing thousands of babies now u dumb cunt. Shut the fuck up bastard hypacrit
SubZero1703 5 months ago
@SubZero1703 Yeah you might want to learn how to spell before answering you inbred retard, and please show us your source of how the British army are killing THOUSANDS of babies......come on you dick...I do believe the term is "PUT UP OR FUCK UP"....So come on fuckwitt...chop chop...we are all wating for the source of your "facts" LMFAO....you pretend fenians are funny as fuck by th way ....
Thundernuts691 5 months ago
@Thundernuts691 Simplified: IRA=wankers. Loyalists paramilitaries=equally wankers. British army=largely good, but have on occasion been responsible for terrible crimes as bad as IRA. Britain's done terrible things to Ireland, but mostly a century ago. It's people like Ian Paisley who're to blame. In the 60s the IRA were Marxist-oriented, peaceful protest against Catholic inequality of welfare (which existed, no denying), and Orangemen did all to deny basic civil rights. Stupidity itself
trixwiz7 5 months ago
@trixwiz7 Shucks mate, i cannot thank you enough for your quick lesson in Northern Ireland history, you cannot imagine the relief of at last knowing what all the fuss was about !!!... and all this time I thought it was because catholics eyes were too close together, really cannot thank you enough, I am born & bred in Belfast and cannot wait to go tell all my mates about the actual facts as told by you !!... if you PM me your details I would be more than happy to recommend you for an award
Thundernuts691 5 months ago
@Thundernuts691 I can't tell whether or not that's sarcasm. But I wouldn't go about saying Catholics have eyes that are too close together, especially not when the Royal Family (whom I support as an Australian), genuinely are inbred
trixwiz7 5 months ago
@trixwiz7 Sarcasm ?..me ?...NAH lol, I am simply acknowledging your obvious superior knowledge of Northern Ireland lol...mate I welcome your interest in my country (I really do) but if you are going to try and understand the history of this island then you really do need to read all of it, not just a very basic synopsis of the last 40 years, trust me when I tell you there is a hell of a lot more to it, and plenty of unwarranted violence on both sides of the divide
Thundernuts691 5 months ago
@Thundernuts691 Mate, among other things, I've spent quite a bit of time studying Classics. You do not need to tell me that almost all historical trends and conflicts can't be properly explained by superimposing a telescope to the last 40 years, in any case I "summed up" the years before. However we've only 500 characters to use. As someone who's half-English & has lived in the UK, an awful lot of blood wouldn't have been spilt if Paisley et al. hadn't been paranoid, militant fucks
trixwiz7 5 months ago
@trixwiz7 Very true chum, and I would be the first to point the finger at Paisley too, but I see you are slightly shy about doing the same thing to others ?...that is twice you have made comment about him yet said nothing about Gerry Adams etc ?...or is there a slight reluctance to do so ? do I detect a slight bias ? and how many years did you live in Northern Ireland exactly ? ...and half English ?..I have mates who are half Scottish, none can play the bagpipes chum....
Thundernuts691 5 months ago
@Thundernuts691 Half-English in that my mother's English, but I was born in Aus, currently live in Aus, consider myself more Aussie than English.I lived in southern England, not NI, which I realise disqualifies me from any first-hand knowledge, but not historical analysis. I agree re: Gerry Adams, but my hypothesis is, potentially he and the (P)IRA, would have been irrelevant, if the peaceful Catholic civil rights movement had been granted social equality (it being necessary for all people)
trixwiz7 5 months ago
@trixwiz7 Oh right, that would have been the peaceful Catholic civil rights movement led by a protestant MP then ?... the one hijacked by the IRA/Sinn Fein ? and don't forget Gerry's family were killing long before this movement, and if your hypothesis is to hold any water please explain why even when catholics had the exact same rights as anyone else they still continued to kill and destroy lifes ?
Thundernuts691 5 months ago
@Thundernuts691 I'm not saying that this would have stopped the Troubles outright over the past 4 decades, but I think if the Catholic Civil Rights Movt of the 1960s, that was peacefully protesting about inequality in the social order (esp. in Derry where something like average 3 Catholic families lived in same house) had not been defied, nonsensically, by Orangemen at every turn, anti Loyalist resentment would've been lot lessened, the militant factions of the IRA wouldn't have got much support
trixwiz7 5 months ago
@trixwiz7 So just for clarification, so your saying it was the Orangemen/Order that stopped the catholics of NI from getting equal right ?
Thundernuts691 5 months ago
@Thundernuts691 Ultimately, no. But it fanned the fire of hatred in the most effective way. It embittered Catholics beyond previous points. No denying division & hatred already existed, but it wasn't so acute until this point. The Orangemen/Order slowed down their progress to social equality and constantly defied, for reasons that defy logic. The more peaceful animal that was then the IRA looked stupid to Catholics, who relied on British Army, so then the spark of violent Republicanism reignited
trixwiz7 5 months ago
@trixwiz7 Iam not even going to get into a proper answer to that jibberish, keep reading history and come back to me when you are compos mentis mate lol
Thundernuts691 5 months ago
@Thundernuts691 "compos mentis"? I'm not the one whose entire page is a visual fanfare to Loyalism, who exudes an abject, irrational hatred of Catholics. Everything I said in my simplification was true, even if it was an uncomfortable truth for you. Re: what I just posted, as I say, it wouldn't have stamped out all sectarianism, which runs deeper. But facts remain Orangemen were inhumane, bigoted and stupid (so were IRA) and 60s counter-protests made level of sectarianism significantly higher
trixwiz7 5 months ago
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Thundernuts691 5 months ago
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@trixwiz7 "visual fanfare to Loyalism" ? LMFAO...please tell me one item on my channel that is not fact.....come on fella...PUT UP OR FUCK UP TIME
Thundernuts691 5 months ago
@Thundernuts691 You've a union jack decked all over your page (an excellent flag representing an excellent country or countries, if you prefer), but you're using it as a Loyalist symbol, as a sectarian symbol. You've video titled sinn fein beards and paedophiles and you've what seems to be some anthropological justification of Loyalism that I haven't bothered to read. That's your "visual fanfare"
trixwiz7 5 months ago
@trixwiz7 No, I used the Union Jack as my countries flag as that is what it is, would you attack a yank for flying the Stars & Stripes would you ?...and they are not my vidoes, simply ones I have saved to favourites as they show Sinn Fein for what they really are (bearded paedos) I have no need or want to "justify" loyalism lol when there is no call to, the only secterian around here wee lad seems to be you.....you really should seek some professional help for that...it aint healthy...
Thundernuts691 5 months ago
@Thundernuts691 Union Jack is still Loyalist symbol in NI, regardless. I'd criticise most Yanks who fly the Stars & Stripes, usually they tend to be pretty awful Republicans. In Aus, pretty much the only people who fly the Aus flag are fans of Pauline Hanson, not worlds apart from the KKK. It's wonderful to parade your flag on Independence, St. George's, Australia Day, but otherwise hints at racism or in NI; Loyalism. You've still tried to justify Loyalism by anthropological critique of Ireland
trixwiz7 5 months ago
@Thundernuts691 I left you another comment. Anyway you champion Unionism to the hilt, this page rather proves that. Personally I respect the democratic wishes of all the people of NI in their self-determination. But frankly, as Unionism is a relic of colonisation and oppression, since NI geographically should be part of Ireland, the people should vote Home Rule. Most people I know in England, most of whom CofE, agree with that, I think lots of politicians do too, even poor Dickie Mountbatten did
trixwiz7 5 months ago
@trixwiz7 LMFAO...you are so bitch slapped wee boy, so by your "arguement" then France belongs to Germany ?...Switzerland belongs to Italy ? LMFAO...your fucking hilarious son. And I do respect the will of the people of NI...I think you will find it is the IRA/Sinn Fein that does not...they are anti democratic...the MAJORITY of people in NI want to be British...FACT!!!...the IRA tried to bomb, shoot & terrorise this country into sumbission....something they failed miserably at LMFAO...
Thundernuts691 5 months ago
@Thundernuts691 No it doesn't, Continental Europe's an entirely different animal, it's considerably larger, it's a continent, not an island and it has, for millennia been inhabited by significantly different races/tribes. NI was originally entirely Irish and is a very small plot of land in a relatively small island. I agree IRA/SF were anti-democratic, so were UVF, etc FACT. You must be retarded. I know there's a Unionist majority, I respect it, but it doesn't stop it from being stupid
trixwiz7 5 months ago
@trixwiz7 No, you will find the vast amount of people from this island can trace their DNA back to the Basque region of Spain...so not different...FACT...and the UVF were anti democratic were they ?..I am not a supporter of any paramilitary group but would love to here your reasoning behind that comment...So ok...by your reckoning then England belongs to Scotland then ?...or do both belong to Wales ?....and a majority "is stupid"...mmm...reckon your the retard mate
Thundernuts691 5 months ago
@Thundernuts691 Tru-ish re Basque don't forget the Celts, but I'm referring to Ireland as it existed at the point before the Papal Bull, etc. My logic places Continental Europe in a different basket to the UK & Ireland. You've rather proved my point, England, Scotland and Wales, while maintaining cultural identities are united as one kingdom, thanks awfully. You think Loyalist paramilitaries are democratic? Hahahahha, nice time to revert to sarcasm again, buddy
trixwiz7 5 months ago
@trixwiz7 Fuck you really are retarded aint ya...you still think your a celt do ya ? lol...best you go read some 21st century studies mate....tough luck.....and I agree ireland should be united.....under British rule....quite simply really.....and I see you cannot answer my question about the UVF then ?....no suprise there then...you plastic fenians very rarely do have an answer when challenged lol......oh and you consider Britain a "different basket" do ya ? LMFAO...pathetic
Thundernuts691 5 months ago
@Thundernuts691 What are you on about? I never said I'm a Celt? I've about a quarter Irish blood, but I've haven't traced if further than 150 years, I've much more English blood. My understanding is that Irish blood is derived from the Celts and from the Basque regions. I consider the UK/Eire different to Europe because they're small islands as opposed to massive continent with considerably more/different tribes/races. Geographically apples & oranges.
trixwiz7 5 months ago
@trixwiz7 I don't really care "what you consider different", this is simply because it beats your pathetic attempt of an argument to death lol, and given take you are the "full Englishman" I would consider YOU the glad follower of the British conquests, and given the recent success of the BNP in England I will save you the chore and forward your application to the KKK for you....oh and PS... the size of an island is totally irrelevant to the thought process of nationality or self determination
Thundernuts691 5 months ago
@Thundernuts691 I'm genuinely glad that Britain not France took terra australis, & even support the constitutional monarchy in Aus. I'm proud of British achievements in science, literature, music, politics, inventing sports. But it doesn't excuse barbarism that has occurred. I should think you subscribe to BNP's politics, you believe in modern British colonisation. PS- the size of a nation WITH its composition of different races is relevant to its perceived nationality
trixwiz7 5 months ago
@Thundernuts691 I can answer your UVF question, I didn't think it was serious, it's that laughable. They shoot and butcher people to spread fear, ergo terrorist, ergo opposite to democratic values. Are you that stupid to think they're not anti-democratic? And all Ireland under British rule, when were you born, 1707? I suppose you support mass slaughter of Australian Aborigines & Indians under the British Govt as well? Do you regularly attend KKK meetings as well?
trixwiz7 5 months ago
@Thundernuts691 Wake up, the majority of people on mainland UK don't care tuppence about NI, they think it should join the Irish Republic. I mentioned Mountbatten subscribed to that view, most politicians, social/political/philosophical commentators do too. Most CofE people do. My mother's uncle fought FOR the British Army in NI in the late 70s, he thinks it should just become part of the Irish Republic and you lot wasted some of his mates lives. Btw I left you 2 other comments
trixwiz7 5 months ago
@trixwiz7 I nearly fell asleep half way through the first comment....so most English etc want it to be a united Ireland do they ? please provide the source of your comment. ie poll, referendum etc...then I will listen...otherwise you are full of rockinghorse shit, and trust me it was not "my people" that wasted anyones life...that would be the anti democratic IRA...and please provide JUST ONE incident where the UVF obstructed the democratic process ?...put up or shut up time ....
Thundernuts691 5 months ago
@Thundernuts691 Most English people either dont care about whether NI is part of the UK or believe NI should be part of a united Ireland. Im sure there are such polls and I'll endeavour to find them for you. In the meantime, be content with the fact that most of my UK family & friends, few of whom are Catholic, & people in general who I've discussed politics with, think you're living in the middle ages. Agreed IRA wasted peoples lives. Any UVF atrocity counts as obstructing democracy, dumb arse
trixwiz7 5 months ago
@trixwiz7 Like I said.....no source....so you are simply full of shit wee lad....no suprise.....surely if your quoting such "facts" that you have read studies and recent polls ?....or (as we know is the case) are you just spouting shite from an uneducated position ***shock***
Thundernuts691 5 months ago
@Thundernuts691 Well look up any Loyalist paramilitary atrocity, top of my head Shankill Butchers, and that amounts to a vehemently anti-democratic act, a la IRA, I don't need to source that. As for being thus far unable to find you a poll to suggest most of mainland UK want NI to join ROI/don't care, find me a poll to suggest otherwise. Face it almost all Labour/Lib Dems would support that proposition and about half the Tories would too. You've probs got BNP, UKIP, lol
trixwiz7 5 months ago
@trixwiz7 LMFAO...no source then wee lad ?.....google your wee heart out have we ? LOL..listen you muppet...accept you know fuck all about fuck all concerning my country....will save anyone who actually does know anything laughing at you even more than they are now, and please...PLEASE explain how the Shankil Butchers killing random people is "anti democratic"...secterian...yes....but please please please explain the "anti democratic" thing....I can hardly fucking wait for the answer !!!!!
Thundernuts691 5 months ago
@Thundernuts691 It's done (in part) with a view to spreading enough fear to arrest Republican spirit and activity (legal and illegal). Lest political status quo changes. That's anti-democratic. Ballot paper for bullets applies to both sides. I should've given you a better example of a Loyalist killing because I suspect the Shankill Butchers were criminally insane and probably would've ended up butchering people regardless of political circumstance. You're more bigoted than Paisley and Adams pal
trixwiz7 5 months ago
@trixwiz7 You obviously know fuck all about it mate...the vast amount of loyalist attacks & killings were in retaliation for republican attacks/killings, ie if the republicans did not attack then the loyalists did not attack....republicans being the instigator/aggressor's....someone like you can (just) be forgiven for not seeing the woods for the trees, I was born & bred in Belfast and know exactly what I am talking about...your position is one of pure arrogance without the benefit of knowledge
Thundernuts691 5 months ago
@Thundernuts691 You raise a sort of valid point re republican attack, loyalist reprisal. But bearing in mind that Loyalists for reasons unknown striked/counter-protested the IRA's peaceful 60s protests, all legit just immoral to the core. Bearing that in mind and the high number of violent Loyalist attacks, I think it's fair to call them anti-democratic (in the past). Remember, the IRA AND the Loyalists have both been called on the trade ballot paper for bullets
trixwiz7 5 months ago
@trixwiz7 I know where you are coming from mate but I don't think you quite get the "ballot & bullets" thing, it was the IRA/Sinn Fein who used the bullet AND the ballot box...and the IRA did not have peacefull protests..that was the civil rights movement...NOT the IRA...as a matter of fact Ivan Cooper (a protestant MP) who was in charge of the civil rights march on Bloody Sunday pleaded with the IRA for no violence....and PS...I aint defending loyalists..murder is murder...no difference
Thundernuts691 5 months ago
@Thundernuts691 Yeah I refer to NICRA's protests about '64, but I thought this comprised of (or was "blessed" by) the then Marxist oriented IRA, which at the time was peaceful enough. In any case, an interesting paradox has sprung up today in that NI has a Unionist majority in its Catholic community but (I can't prove it but I think it based on experience) the majority of mainland UK favours united Ireland/doesn't care. So long as democratic process & peace reign, NI's people =the overall winner
trixwiz7 5 months ago
@trixwiz7 Mate the reason you cannot prove it is simply because it does not exist, I have several business interests throughout England and therefore spend a good bit of time there and have never came across these pro irish reunificationists....to be perfectly honest I spend quite a bit of time in the south of Ireland and the large majority of people I talk to about this have practically no interest in the north, and if so then where are all these English protests for a "united Ireland" ?
Thundernuts691 5 months ago
@Thundernuts691 In my experience in the UK, the popular (centre-leftist) take is, while being quietly proud of British achievements in science, literature, exporting democracy, to condemn British colonisation on the whole and thus either prefer the idea of a united Ireland or don't care about NI being in the UK. Most of my family and friends in the UK subscribe to that belief, I think almost all Labour/Lib Dems would, and about half the Tories too. But it's not a big issue, hence hard to prove
trixwiz7 5 months ago
@trixwiz7 Check your terminology mate, Northern Ireland is not a colony, It is a fully qualified constituent country of the UK/Britain, and hence NOT a colony. So the main part of your argument kinda falls down.
Thundernuts691 5 months ago
@Thundernuts691 This isn't an argument, this is my experience of opinion in the UK. I know NI's a constituent country of the UK but it's current political situation is the result of British colonisation, and that's what the centre to leftist Briton feels the need to move away from. Quietly proud of British achievements but in favour of progress from colonisation, for that reason when asked, most British people of the type I've described would say they think NI should be ROI or they don't care
trixwiz7 5 months ago
@trixwiz7 Well do me a little favour then, if they are so against colonisation then fine....but I will make my very simple point yet again...Northern Ireland was NEVER COLONISED, please do not make me repeat myself yet again, you are implying you want a grown up debate & expression of opinions, fine by me...but in doing so you must accept historical facts, do to otherwise is just laughable, if you are too lazy to do any real research then at least read the info on my channel for a quick insight
Thundernuts691 5 months ago
@Thundernuts691 Ireland was colonised/occupied whichever you prefer by Britain, then the Anglo-Irish Treaty saw the rest of Ireland become Irish Free State. In any event NI's current political status is in part due to it being a fragment of British occupation/settlement, and that is what the people whom I describe seek to move away from.
Colonised mightn't be as appropriate a term as occupied or governed, but the idea's much the same
trixwiz7 5 months ago
@trixwiz7 You just confirmed my suspicions...you are a moron
Thundernuts691 4 months ago
@Thundernuts691 Right back at you. Honestly, how would you categorise Britain's political influence in Ireland from, well from the Papal Bull, then Thomas Cromwell, but ostensibly from 1800 until 1921? I concede "colonised" was an inappropriate verb because it implies Ireland was a colony. But governed (certainly from Act of Union onwards), occupied under Cromwell and settled, how much Northern Irish lineage goes back to English who settled? You're being ridiculous. You, dear boy, are the moron
trixwiz7 4 months ago
@trixwiz7 Oh right, so your "friends" are against British colonialism and therefore have such strong views, yet you freely admit it was not colonised but retain the same thought process ?...oh trust me mate you are the only moron in this debate. And please explain how a place can be colonised/governed/occupied by the indigenous people of the same place ? less of your bullshit wee lad, just answer the fucking question...really interested in your answer...
Thundernuts691 4 months ago
@Thundernuts691 My goodness you must have a screw loose. You're suggesting English people are indigenous to Ireland? You admit Ireland was occupied, settled and governed by the British. That amounts to much the same thing as colonisation; oppression. And yes any person who's not a neo-Nazi, unlike you, is against colonisation and occupation. My friends and family certainly are. For that reason, if asked, they say they think NI should join ROI, in order to move away from the feudal ties you adore
trixwiz7 4 months ago
@trixwiz7 I am not suggesting anything, simply stating historical fact...I cannot help it if you are an idiot that does not like the truth, the island of ireland not only was an integral part of mainland Britain (physically) it was also first populated by people from same, if you can actually manage to surgically remove your head from your arse you might actually see the truth !...it is a wise man that can at least digest anothers argument long enough to see for himself if it carries any weight
Thundernuts691 4 months ago
@Thundernuts691 Christ, this is like arguing with a Holocaust denier. 1) I'm explaining why plenty of people, when questioned, say they'd prefer a United Ireland/don't care about NI. It's because they believe that land was gained from British oppression of Ireland. Strictly speaking, that need never have happened but the fact they believe that would be enough to explain why their political preferences differ from yours. But as it happens, that land was an ill-gotten gain
trixwiz7 4 months ago
@Thundernuts691 2) I totally agree with your last statement, if only you could adhere to it. Instead you argue semantics with no bearing and go off on tenuous tangents whenever you find an argument uncomfortable. British people are not indigenous to Ireland, yes the two were once attached, millennia and millennia ago. So was every continent during Pangaea, Australia was attached to Antarctica and Asia. You're seriously messed up if you use that to justify your emotionally charged bullshit
trixwiz7 4 months ago
@trixwiz7 Oh right so Ireland was not first inhabited by people from the British mainland post iceage ?...please tell us who did then ?....and thank you for confirming the people with an anti Ulster/united Ireland opinion are based on ignorance of reality. And please excuse my "emotions", it is mainly fustration when I hear idiots talk about my country with strong opinions based on Chinese whispers and old wives tales...I accept facts, you dont, so you would be the holocaust denier chum
Thundernuts691 4 months ago
@Thundernuts691 Lol, I didn't say you were a Holocaust denier, I'm certainly not, so you're refutation of that statement doesn't entail I am. I implied you're as rational as a Holocaust denier, you ought to learn about propositional logic, for starters. The Celts arrived in the Bronze Age and eventually became most prevalent, before them were people from Scotland. That doesn't make Britons indigenous to Ireland, it means they arrived first then intermingled with a predominantly Celtic people
trixwiz7 4 months ago
@Thundernuts691 Firstly, I didn't call you a Holocaust denier, thus refuting that claim (if valid) doesn't entail that I'm. I implied you were as rational as a Holocaust denier, you'd do yourself a favour reading up on basic propositional logic. Anyway, the Celts arrived in the Bronze Age & became the most prevalent people in Ireland. Before them were peoples from Scotland however the Celts warred with them &the two amalgamated. Britons aren't indigenous to Ireland, they were the first to arrive
trixwiz7 4 months ago
@trixwiz7 1, by your "logic" it could be said that basically nowhere on the planet apart from Africa/Asia etc have indigenous people then ? = Joke..2, supply one source that PROVES the celts ever arrived, there is evidence of their culture but none of their presence on these islands, and if they ever did where is the DNA proof ? and I never said you called me a holocaust denier, I do wish you would read things properly and stick to the facts.
Thundernuts691 4 months ago
@Thundernuts691 1)You tried refuting what I'd said and then said that I "would be the holocaust denier", the logic of entailment suggests the implication of that statement is that you thought I'd called you a Holocaust denier. 2)It's not my "logic" of what determines an aboriginal. The people called Australian Aborigines are aborigines, any anthropologist worth his salt, can attest to that, just as any decent anthropologist would never say Britons are native to Ireland, recall Indonesia e.g.
trixwiz7 4 months ago
@Thundernuts691 3) Even if the Irish have no Celtic blood (which is dubious), it comes to the same thing: the Irish people were subjugated by the British (who, as I've proved, are not native to Ireland), and that is widely perceived as similarly distasteful as colonisation. And as colonisation/subjugation (by which NI was gained) is unpopular, plenty of people in the UK (least the ones I'm related to or friends with, for the most part) think NI should join ROI or don't care about it being in UK
trixwiz7 4 months ago
@trixwiz7 Yeah we are all good, but lets be frank (shit be Wilma for all I care) you have proven zilch, you failed to prove the celts issue, and you gave a quite farcical attempt at the whole "indigenous" issue, and just as a point of interest, the island of Australia would have been totally covered for thousands of years by ice and totally uninhabited by humans(the same as Ireland), so its current & original ie indigenous peoples would have came from another country....follow the logic...
Thundernuts691 4 months ago
@Thundernuts691 I don't care about the Celts issue, if you're right it has no bearing on legitimacy/morality of British conquest of Ireland. Re the whole indigenous issue, you're absolutely right in your last line, and that's what I said. The Australian Aborigines island-hopped from Indonesia. Nevertheless they're still considered by anthropologists to be indigenous to Australia. Indonesian people aren't in any way native to Australia, in the same way the British aren't native to Ireland. Cheers
trixwiz7 4 months ago
@trixwiz7 Yes you have just made my point !...the island of ireland was totally without humans when the first people from Britain came to it !...HENCE the same anthropologists would consider the first irish to have been British and therfore the indigenous peoples, I accept the point your trying to make that it does not prove ownership but the irish try and make out they have nothing to do with Britain !...and are basically another species lol...time for a quick reality check me thinks....
Thundernuts691 4 months ago
@Thundernuts691 4)All this is pretty irrelevant, because as we've said most Northern Irish (even Catholics) prefer to remain part of UK (I can't say I blame them, pragmatically speaking). And while a large number of people in mainland UK might favour idea of ROI, they all believe the people of Northern Ireland should have self-determination. So unless you take issue with any of that spiel shall we call it a day? So long as peace reigns in NI and Proddies and Catholics prosper, I'm happy enough
trixwiz7 4 months ago
@Thundernuts691 Sorry I thought that comment hadn't posted properly the first time, so I did it again. Look the first people to come to Australia (about 40, 000 years ago) were from Indonesia. Does that makes Indonesians native to Australia, as you suggest British people are to Ireland? Of course not. Moreover after them came more developed people from other islands, I think, (you can see differences in physical appearance today) and the 2 became mixed an became known as our Aborigines
trixwiz7 4 months ago
@trixwiz7 And the catholic community of NI having a unionist majority is no suprise, they always have been. But Sinn Fein/IRA are very very good at the PR game, far better than the Prods lol, they managed to still get sympathy whilst murdering innocent women & babies both in NI and England....at that they were very good, they boasted the full support of the catholic/republican community....FAR from the reality, the majority simply feared them and hence played along...sad really
Thundernuts691 5 months ago