Gunners (from the DVD "All About Law School"

[alliemunsch]

awesome video..thanks for sharing .. keep it up!

[IAMAMARTIAN22]

I cant find this movie anywhere online but I want to see it really bad but 30 dollars seems like a waste to watch something once =/

[AlarmistThe]

Bang.



[JimmyD0YLE]

hehehehehee im the gunner in my class

[WarrenAch]

In an average Law Class, there's about 8-15 students who don't understand shit.

So if one of those "gunners" raise their hand to ask a question, these 8-15 shy students will end up understanding something.

Why the fuck caring about this ? Most of the people who raise their hand and ask questions to UNDERSTAND the fucking material end up in the top 10% sooner or later.

[bhimz2]

@WarrenAch its pretty important to know who is a gunner and who is asking professor question because he is really having a hard time on some matter. the one who bashes every single hand raiser is an idiot himself but it really isn't difficult to distinguish between a sincere and dedicated student and a showoff.....

[MeechiganBoy]

Okay the dude in the blue shirt outside at harvard is probably a gunner. Just hear that machine gun go!!

[locomoncayo]

screw these people, seriously. Why the hell make the assumption that they're talking to improve their grade? Excuse them for trying to get the most out of their education.

[sailmax]

This video is a perfect example of "passive aggressive silent gunners." (1) They don't want you to understand; (2) they don't want the professor to clarify for someone else; (3) they want you to fail your finals, and (4) they resent those they perceive as "smarter" than them. You will never have the opportunity to ask questions in such a "safe" environment again. If something is unclear, ask. Ignore these types. They are trying to peer-pressure others into silence. Their attitude is repulsive.

[aupennin]

sounds like somebody is a gunner and got a little butt hurt about this video.....

[locomoncayo]

@sailmax totally agree with you!

[toughluck123]

i cannot stand gunners for the most part.

[SunSunSuperFun]

Please - people who complain about relevant comments are wimps. It's a pet peeve of mine when the professor asks a question point blank and then the room stares at him like a dog that just got shown a card trick. It's annoying, juvenile, and it wastes my time. Answer the question or get the fuck out of the class.

[AoCNacht]

There personality traits that make up a "gunner" are good ones for the legal profession. Initiative, confidence etc. Those traits alone don't make good lawyers but all things being equal they lead to higher salaries.

The quiet types often score better on exams but earn less after graduation. There's simply no getting around the fact that confidence and initiative are, and always have been, highly favorable traits in this profession.

[yyarimia]

@AoCNacht Good point

[joshfenton1]

This is very youthful advice. I suspect the people that constantly complain about "gunners" are the same ones that can't figure out why they can't get a job after law school. Kissing ass is a part of building relationships, and relationships are a critical component of career-building. To suggest that a room full of people should sit there like silent lemmings is a dis-service to law students, and undermines the role of the professor in maintaining order in the classroom.

[apm5743]

Gunners are annoying and nobody likes them, not even the teachers whose ass they are trying to kiss. Teachers want more than one person to contribute to the discussion. By alienating your classmates with whom you will be working in the future, I don't really think you are helping yourself career-wise. This isn't to say that you should never speak up in class, just that you should do it in the same relative porportion as everyone else.

[maxdelsoin]

If in a class of 50 to 80 people, only 1 or 2 speak up, then it seems to me that the answer is to have 5 or 6 people join the conversation. The Socratic Method presume interaction and a unilateral discussion. The people who do NOT speak up actually create the vacuum filled by the so-called gunner.

[bawhite125]

@maxdelsoin good point(s), but still, what about the guy who speaks every class despite others who are willingly participating?

[pineapplechunks3]

Office hours exist for a reason...

[goaliejerry]

And I'll add that this video doesn't distinguish between the intelligent gunner and the idiot who thinks they are intelligent.

Its one thing if the person speaks up and says something on point that is good to have in your notes - its another when the idiot speaks up and everyone knows the person is wrong or doesn't understand at all.

But I suppose its all a matter of perspective.

[steveme7]

touche, touche.

sounds like bitching and moaning

[manning8]

I'm a gunner. I keep my comments relevant to the lecture. I don't give a f about what anyone thinks. This Wong guy is a tard. Why doesn't he save the gum for off-camera?

[scottishboomerang]

Maybe he's practising for court.

[gilbygil11]

guarantee you go off topic. just because you think its germane does not make it so

[joeocho88]

the Gunner will keep the heat off of me!

IF I HAVE A QUESTION I AM GOING TO ASK IT but it will be on the RELEVANT class materials at hand that everybody wants to know but is waiting for someone else to ask and EVERYBODY FAILS it on the test!

[scottishboomerang]

Yes Joe, you are right. Glad you realised it. Gunners are in control. And they DON'T get called on.

[joeocho88]

Well that's what lawyers do! You pay THEM to LOOK good.

And THESE are the Ivy League attorneys of the FUTURE?????????????????

[ezae]

You pay your lawyer to look good? For your sake I hope you won't get sued any time soon.

[HelloDave73]

I agree with everything in this piece. I'm checkin' this DVD.

[cosmicslop]

i found it quite helpful personally.

[socratic44]

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[TheDentist27]

I don't know about any of you, but I wouldn't want to spend much time with any of the people in this video. Not that that's related to the topic.

Gunners is a generalization. There are some people who speak a lot and are consistently interesting, others not so much. It depends on the person and the context.

[gpc22]

But when I'm in an civ pro class that only last an hour, I don't want to learn about how interesting someone in my class is... I want to learn about personal jurisdiction. Usually, gunners in law school raise their hand just to break hypotheticals, which is completely unproductive.

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[JMaus01s]

They seriously expect us to pay money to watch these idiots whine for 20+ minutes?

[peaceinstiches]

It's actually longer than 20 minutes. It's been awhile since I've seen the DVD, I remember it lasting around 2 hours. I could be wrong.

[dweedwee]

people who bitch about gunners are whiney douches.

If you're complaining of people talking in class then you've already contributed to your own hypocrisy.

Whiny little bitches.

[amp10121450]

Would a gunner be someone that asks about Coffee burns in Torts while we are discussing Trespassing?

[Gojogongua]

Each class I take in law school costs me $109. In a 100 student class that is 70 minutes long, that is $156 per minute we are paying, collectively, for that class. That's why gunners suck if they don't think before they speak.

[mariagrl44]

U mean $1.56 right? I go to Columbia Law School

[Gojogongua]

No, which is why I said "collectively". But yes, each person pays $1.56 per minute.

[jadedstu]

But, but, but...she goes to Columbia! ...

[Gojogongua]

Haha, perfect.

[xenaphob]

As I have been on both sides of the lecturn let me say that gunners are used as a socratic tool, the more they are allowed to speak the less they know. If you want to do well ignore them.

[lambos1985]

this video is a compilation of gunner douches, particularly the first speaker with the enormous head.

[nugman84]

Let me begin by saying that Gunners rock.

Who will attend class allowing me to half-ass my way through law school? A gunner.

Who is going to answer the question that I will pass on (even if I happen to know the answer and by some miracle decided to attend class)? A gunner again.

Man do I love my gunners.

[tonymrep]

It's one thing if someone is talking about irrelevant material or their own stupid change of law arguments, but I fail to see the point of having these tools complain about others who constantly speak up. Yeah, like you're really concerned about getting more out of the professor's mouth. Anyway, these videos are a just an attempt to push some worthless DVD. Here's a thought, just go to class and read the material.

[berrim]

I wish i knew the material well enough to be a gunner! I love gunners, they give the rest of us time to catch up with the typing in class!

[rainmaker3w]

Gunnners RULE! This gunner graduated top 10.

[RYENZRO]

I dont know who the jackass is...wow, I'm the gunner?!

[HendrixTshirt]

i think these people talking about gunners are a bunch of whiners. Quit whining. That's life. There's always going to be people who want to put a better foot forward and get in the professor's good graces so that they can ensure their good grades. Stop whining about it and get over it pussies.

[aloysiu8]

This person obviously has never been to law school b/c grading is anon and no amount of butt licking changes your grade.

[proverbart]

its not about that, gunners ask about shit that noone else cares about...everyone else wants to move on already. Its gets boring listening to gunners

[snoboredca]

1L year a friend told me I was a gunner and it pissed everyone off.  I had no idea; I wasn't talking in class to raise my grade, or show off, or impress anyone. I was just genuinely interested, and like to be engaged in class discussions. I changed my gunner ways, but I was never really convinced there was anything wrong with it. To some extent I get it, I've suffered the horrible gunners too, but some people, like me, learn better by engaging in a dialog than just listening to a lecture.

[snoboredca]

My 1L year a friend told me I was a gunner and it pissed everyone off. I had no idea; I wasn't talking in class to raise my grade, or show off, or impress anyone. I was just genuinely interested, and like to be engaged in class discussions. I changed my gunner ways, but I was never really convinced there was anything wrong with it. To some extent I get it, I've suffered the horrible gunners too, but some people, like me, learn better by engaging in a dialog than just listening to a lecture.

[LineaAspera]

It's one thing to say something intelligent in class, but another thing to waste everyone's time EVERY.SINGLE.CLASS.PERIOD. Learn how to argue a position vocally with the Prof during office hours or with other students outside of class.

[exprezzion]

undergrad borderline-gunner planning as 0L to reform, listen, just nail exams as 1L. In clinics, moot, etc, be vocal. But, definitely not in a lecture, even if it is socratic.

[gsotoaz]

yeah i hate those people in class!

[anglblondie1]

crap, I think I might be a gunner.... oppps

[GoogoolyEyes]

Law school is supposed to prepare you for what you will be doing in the future: arguing a position VOCALLY and not just on paper. So, performance on a written final does not assess a student's performance as a lawyer. If a student is taking your time and money and you just sit there not defending yourself, how are you going to defend others once you get out of law school?

~ sticking to my guns

[peaceinstiches]

You go, girl!

[briand769]

Agreed.

[haplito]

Gunners are the worst.