Mil Mascaras looks like shit. Every move he does, his kicks, his punches, they all look weak. And he has the nerve to no-sell Foley? Gimme a break. How this clown ever became a "Legend" is beyond me.
@one30seventh Antes de criticar así asegúrate de conocer de lucha libre primero. Mil Mascaras es una leyenda viviente y aquí se ve como le da unas buenas clases de lucha a Foley. No es por ofender, pero Foley no es nada comparado con Mil Mascaras, no es su tipo de lucha, Foley es mas como un tipo rudo en luchas hardcore. Mil Mascaras tiene técnica y no necesita de un cuerpo como el de triple h para luchar. Si Mick Foley es una leyenda, yo también.
Mil Mascaras put on a good WRESTLING match. Mick Foley was trying to put on a show cause he really cant wrestle. People who are saying that Mascaras wasnt selling the moves have to realize that Mick Foley gave no moves to sell. Mascaras is a good technician, Foley is just a performer and stunt man
I was at Wrestle Reunion in January, Superstar Billy Graham and Mil Mascaras were both signing autographs for fans and taking pictures together with fans. They were having fun with the fans
lol @ all these marks saying mascaras was unproffesional for not selling just because he didnt sell to jericho and foley, of course, american wrestlers cant look good without the other guy puting them over, mascaras was a real wrestler, he was there to wrestle, not to put a circus act, he was able to look good by himself unlike the other guys...
HA!! I remember when he first started he went by Cactus Jack MANSON!! It's funnier now that Marylin Manson has came out since, now when u hear Manson you think more of Marylin then Chuck
I've always admired Mascaras but its not just Foley who has said that. Chris Jericho and "Superstar" Billy Graham, amongst many others, have made the same complaint.
I read about Mascaras completely failed to sell anything Foley did in this match, I figured it was an exaggeration. No. Mascaras really screwed up... badly... around 5:38.
Mick Foley choose extreme style because he cannot wrestle, is not that mascaras didn't sell, is just that Foley doesn't know how to wrestle, the U.S. has a lot of wrestlers that can face Mascaras with good matches like Sting, Vader, Flair, but Foley? I mean C'mon...
@nitromorphosis No... I watched a Mil Mascaras vs Pierroth Jr where Pierroth called out Mil on the mic for being late and not nice to the other wrestlers.
@fixxxer3456 Mick didn't even want to wrestle him period. He told cornette mil sucked and the match would suck ,so cornette told him he would do what he could to put him over on commentary and make him look good.
Mil didn't do much selling on America because he is a LUCHADOR NOT A WRESTLER, i mean, why wrestling fans believe all in what Foley said on his biography book?, is only his opinion as a victim of Mil Mascaras quality like a lot of other wrestlers and only because their're american like all of you, you think their right... and yeah i know, Mick is a great hardcore fighter, but actually not a technique wrestler just as japanese or mexican people, but all of you... already know that ;)
@Kraodo Then Why did mick do so well in japan? and I am not talking about the deathmatch tournament. He worked there for years before that in companies where wrestling came first. He actually turned the iwa/fmw down because he wasn't interested in the barbed wire and stuff like that,(it was called garbage wrestling by Giant baba,Antonio Inoki and the other japanese promoters) and he only went and did it because of terry funk.
He is best known for hardcore but he didn't always do it.
@Kraodo Rubbish. Chris Jericho siad he was an egotist as well. I have seen Luchadors sell moves in America before. Mil Mascaras was happy to achive fame and then do nothing else for the rest of his Career. I am not American either an I still think Mascaras was over rated and went around happily sandbagging other guys, because he thought he was better.
When Mascaras wrestled here in North America, he worked all his matches like they were his Mexican "super hero" movies - the "good guy" always wins and registers no pain when you beat on him. I had a ringside seat at Springfield Civic Center (MA) in 1979 when Mil wrestled George "The Animal" Steele. Mil sold NONE of Steele's moves, and dropkicked "The Animal" out of the ring. Steele WALKED back to the dressing room and as he passed me, I thought I heard him say "the hell with this shit"!
I remember Foley talking about Mil (and this match) in his first book and he was right - that backbreaker was pathetic. Also, that plunge was awesome.
Foley can't wrestle, why should an already iconic personality put over an untalented slob? I'll give it to him, he's taken some sick bumps. But what skill does that take? Seriously. If you want to talk about a "Hardcore Hero", think Mike Awesome.
Being a good wrestler doesn't make someone great. Look at Austin and Hogan. All the did was punch and hit some weak moves (exception of the Stunner). But they are still two of the greatest ever.
@Corvus887 As far as Austin goes, watch some of his old WCW matches (as "Stunning" Steve Austin). Not a great hold-for-hold wrestler, but not weak either. The Stunner, however, was nothing more than DDP's "Diamond Cutter" (much like Randy Orton's "RKO"). What people put down about Mascaras is that he was incapable of "selling" for his opponent; it was all about Mascaras. He wrestled his matches like he was making one of his Mexican "super hero" movies - he always wins and registers no pain.
I actually think he adopted the stunner from Mikey Whipwreck (not sure, but i think he did it first in ECW), but I always thought it was a great move. Even if it wasn't, he sure as hell got it over.
But that's kinda the point I was making. Being great doesn't really mean that u were good in the ring. Just means that u could sell tickets.
@Corvus887 True, very true. There seems to be a severe "charisma deficiency" in WWE and TNA today, though. And, oh yeah, a little concept called "ring psychology" as well. Kinda makes it easier to sell those tickets, y'know what I mean? And good storylines. They mean more than a group of heels indiscriminately running in and beating guys up for no reason (Nexus, Fortune). People are upset with the two main promotions doing little more than copying each other every week.
@Corvus887 (continued from other post) We do agree on the ability to sell tickets or not sell them being what ultimately makes these guys great or not great. There are other factors beside those, amd WWE and TNA are left kinda wanting in those areas. Flair, AJ, Hogan, Orton, Cena, Undertaker - they have it. Kane, Kofi, Robert Roode, Punk, Matt Morgan . . . not so much. Morgan was with WWE (developmental deal) for years, but he just never clicked. Still hasn't quite clicked with TNA.
Yeah, I think that Fortune and Nexus are attempts to recreate the nWo and 4 Horsemen. Only difference is, nWo and Horsemen had established big name stars. No one gives a damn about guys like Barret and Kaz, even if they are talented. And ring psychology is DESPERATELY scarce in today's scene. Even tho Foley is my all time favorite wrestler, Flair was right when he said that Foley drew a lot of money, but had little technical ability. Psychology and charisma beat out talent any day.
@Corvus887 Amen on both counts! I've been a pro wrestling fan since 1969 and this era has a lot of . . . blah. The old school was slower and more deliberate, but the matches were better. Psychology, charisma and decent storylines were the reasons why. Gonna have to check out your YouTube channel. Maybe there's a whole lot more that we agree on. Cheers!
@easye46 Mil mascaras a selfish piece of garbage?.. definitely your not a true fan of wrestling, your just another retard who like stupid actions figures like Cena, come on!!... you don´t deserve to see this kind of wrestlers with quality. Now go back to your tv and watch the shit drama of WWE or TNA.
5:40 - The beginning of the biggest prick move I have ever seen in my entire life. Mil Mascaras is a punk-ass bitch and he should have his balls cut off for that shit.
at least the commentator (along with Ross, who is Sullivan, I think) said that Cactus Jack is "the real winner here." Pro wrestling is not just about looking good all the time, at times, it's also about making your opponent look good. in that regard, Mascaras sucks and Mick Foley is great. The real winner indeed.
Mick really didn't want to work this match, like DavelnOCNJ said Mil had a terrible reputation for being a pansy in the ring. it's all in his book, which was amazing.
alot of wrestlers say Mascaras was a prima donna. I dont think so, if you look at the wrestlers that said it. foley, graham and jericho. foley in the words of ric flair was a stuntman, graham, who had great mic skills and had great body. but, he couldnt wrestle a lick. and jericho to me will always be a B wrestler.
@louie1967 You believe Foley is just "a stuntman" just because Ric Flair said so? *LOL* You should try watching a few of his matches and believing what your eyes tell you, rather than blindly parroting the words of a guy who admitted (in his own book) that he was trying to get his own back for Foley's criticism of him.
@louie1967 Are you serious??? Jericho a B wrestler? wow this is news to me, Mascaras couldn't even sell that backbreaker, wtf??? r u serious, Mascaras had good offense but he would never sell that good, and he had a huge ego, bigger than most legendary wrestlers (Mitsuharu Misawa, Antonio Inoki, Kurt Angle, Bret Hart)
@Y2JROCKFAN yep! I am serious! Jericho is a over hyped B wrestler. you can talk all you want about mascaras ego, but aleast he treated his fans well. Jericho was known for being a prick that he even hit fans. Jericho will never be in the league of a mascaras, sammartino, flair. mascaras is a international superstar. he had a right to have a ego.
@louie1967 well at least jericho put the younger guys over and made them look good, he had a good arsenal of moves, was great on the mic and was not and i repeat not a prick, he did his job and the chick tried to hit her, he did not punch her more like push her over till she stacked it... Mascaras will sandbag the people he didn't like, that is not the mark of a pro, no matter how great of a wrestler u r, u never no sell to ur opponent.
It's true then, mil mascaras is a douche. He didnt sell .......how can you call yourself a wrestler when you don't do your job right. Dam dude, I had the feeling he had a huge ego....and every pro wrestler in U.S. has said that too.
@amigos751 es un hecho que la lucha es un deporte espectaculo cuyo fin es entretener, sin embargo , los conocimientos son fondamentales como en toda diciplina y eso a los luchadores mexicanos les sobra, no cabe duda que los nuestros aquie y en donde sean siempre seran los mejores
este wey es mickfoley y mick es uno de los mejores luchadores ke a tenido wwe pero ps con el senoron de mil mascaras no contaba con su astucia mil mascaras le metio una chinga...
A lot of people in mexico idolized Mil because of the movies but never realized or even wondered why he always dominates so much with so little... Well, it's simply because he won't take bumps. I just cant remember any match where mil ever took one serious bump.
@maesre2004 always dominates so much WITH SO LITTLE?, your a complete dumbass!!!, go and see videos of him when he wrestled on Japan and with your own eyes, you will check his true skills.
@Kraodo I don't need to, Mr. Kraodo. I've seen bunches of his matches in Mexico and I've seen Mil Mascaras in person. Do you know what a bump is? Can you be critical, or are you just a mark?
@Kraodo I don't need to watch videos. I've seen him wrestle in person and dozens of times on tv. He won't take bumps. YOU may need to read Mick Foley's book "Have a Nice Day", Chris Jericho's book, or Billy Graham's shoot interview where they confirm MIL is a genuine a-hol who won't sell or bump. Now, consider yourself pwned.
@maesre2004 mil only sell moves for wrestlers he considered worthy,he took bumps for bam bam bigelow,andre the giant,and even hogan,he can afford that,he's a legend
First, this match was in 1990, before Foley even had a steady job at WCW (that wasn't until 91), and he wasn't a legend until his stint in Japan and ECW, which didn't happen until after he left WCW in the mid-90s.
And when the jackass you're in there with isn't selling worth a damn, you can't have a good match without bumping. See Shawn Michaels v Hulk Hogan.
This match wasn't quite as bad as Foley wrote in his book, actually. Sure - Foley doesn't look particularly good. But, there were some interesting spots, in the match.
It must have been a walk in the park for the superior Mil Mascaras over the slow,no technique,brawler mick foley, who at best probably was no better than a sparring partner for Mil who was used to wrestling technical types like Canek, Dos Caras, among others, how can you ask Mil to sell Foley's sloppy moves, give me a break, mick should have invested in some wrestling lessons with all the money he saved on warddrobe.
2- I we study the "argument" of the fight looks evident that that "Back" breaker wasnt intend to show much damage in M.M. since the next step in the figh was Mil Mascaras Quickly returning to the ring and dropkick foley even the commentarist say's it "Mascaras DON'T looks Stunned" to reinforce the argument".
I really respect te work of Foley but the way he talks about M.M. for the "Back" breaker is wrong, he lacked the experience to make correctly the move an tht was the argument of the fgt
Quite an abyss of difference between the wrestling styles, a brawler Foley and a more technical from Mil mascaras, who showed quite superiority ( domain of te wrestling moves and style) over a youg Foley with almost no tech.
Now for the ones saying Mil Mascaras didnt sell's the "Back Breaker"
1-That was NOT a back Breaker, looked more like some kind of Rib breaker, if foley was trying to do a Back Breaker he lacked way lot of tech.
Yeah, Foley was never comfortable with the association. When he came into the WWF (at the time, WWF, anyway), they originally wanted to call him "Mason 'The Mutilator'" as a take on his old 'CJ Manson' moniker. Luckily for him that didn't happen.
Alot of wrestlers from Mil's day don't speak well of him. They say he was an acrobat first & a wrestler second. They say he was more concerned with keeping himself over & holding others down. They say he insisted on calling the match himself, because he only knew how to do so much.
He was one of a handful I idolized in the late 70's, but looking back, everything they've said seems to be true when I watch his matches on here.
@DaveInOCNJ Well said, mick said this was one of the worst and most disapointing matches of his career. He told thin ahead of time the match was going to suck ( and that mil sucked) and he was going to have to do something special to get the fans into it and hope they didn't notice
wow Mick was thin and athletic back then :)
McVitiesmuffinjohn 1 week ago
omg 5:52 somebody except for me should do a cactus jack WCW bump real.
J5MARLON 3 weeks ago
it looked like Mick was putting a baby to bed with that back breaker
WORMGERM 1 month ago
mil mascaras cant sell for SHIT
CrazypupGaming 1 month ago
Mil Mascaras looks like shit. Every move he does, his kicks, his punches, they all look weak. And he has the nerve to no-sell Foley? Gimme a break. How this clown ever became a "Legend" is beyond me.
one30seventh 1 month ago
@one30seventh Antes de criticar así asegúrate de conocer de lucha libre primero. Mil Mascaras es una leyenda viviente y aquí se ve como le da unas buenas clases de lucha a Foley. No es por ofender, pero Foley no es nada comparado con Mil Mascaras, no es su tipo de lucha, Foley es mas como un tipo rudo en luchas hardcore. Mil Mascaras tiene técnica y no necesita de un cuerpo como el de triple h para luchar. Si Mick Foley es una leyenda, yo también.
COMILLAS1 1 month ago
I wanna be Cactus Jack Manson.
TerryGibbsWF 2 months ago 2
Mascaras and Foley may be legends, but that match was horseshit!
GurahkWeavile 3 months ago
did the announcer say Captain Jack Manson?
desecrator1000 3 months ago
damn that cactus is one fiiiine lookin cat! oowwww!
rabidhammer 3 months ago
Mascras was 65 years old.
pjt03 4 months ago
Mil Mascaras put on a good WRESTLING match. Mick Foley was trying to put on a show cause he really cant wrestle. People who are saying that Mascaras wasnt selling the moves have to realize that Mick Foley gave no moves to sell. Mascaras is a good technician, Foley is just a performer and stunt man
vampiroatomico 4 months ago 2
@vampiroatomico lol how DOES it feel to have Ric Flair's balls in your mouth?
Princepurple1 4 months ago
@Princepurple1 I think he likes it more on Space Mountain, WOOOOO!!!!
mmscott9 3 months ago
I was at Wrestle Reunion in January, Superstar Billy Graham and Mil Mascaras were both signing autographs for fans and taking pictures together with fans. They were having fun with the fans
Ferny13 4 months ago
lol @ all these marks saying mascaras was unproffesional for not selling just because he didnt sell to jericho and foley, of course, american wrestlers cant look good without the other guy puting them over, mascaras was a real wrestler, he was there to wrestle, not to put a circus act, he was able to look good by himself unlike the other guys...
chaggo21 4 months ago
Mil Mascaras is a scumbag. I don't care if he is considered a legend that does't change what kind of person he is.
parallax1779 4 months ago
mick foley lost his front teeth in a car accident two weeks before this, that was spit
blueblueblee 4 months ago
THis was the same night Cactus destroyed that band on the stage.
rufus317 5 months ago
Mascaras is an unprofessional assclown
mmscott9 5 months ago
The teeth were knocked out in a car acccident.
geldofpunk32 6 months ago
LIKE IT OR NO!!! MIL MASCARAS IS A LIVING LEYEN IN OUR SPORT.... WRESTLING....
PEOPLE THAT LOVE WRESTLING RESPECT MR MIL MASCARAS!!!!
meteorogalactico8 6 months ago
mic sure looks good thin
richard1948benz 6 months ago
Mil Mascaras is spanish for "I sell for no one" lol
satyran 7 months ago 22
@satyran hahaah yeah
mrnaji 7 months ago
@satyran Just like his nephew, Juan Cena
bastlake 2 months ago
@satyran no because here in mexico wrestlers really fight we dont talk for 2 hours
ElEnmascaradoRudo 1 month ago in playlist Lucha Libre
Did cactus spit out 2 teeth holy fuck.
eastsidebeastkidx 7 months ago
God... Mils sucked a dick...
dsbrck 8 months ago
HA!! I remember when he first started he went by Cactus Jack MANSON!! It's funnier now that Marylin Manson has came out since, now when u hear Manson you think more of Marylin then Chuck
Stoneycomic 8 months ago
te pusiste con una leyenda pendejo
0115pedro 8 months ago
butt hurts americans 'cuz amercan wrestlers cant do a shit in the past or now.
True legends only in Mexico and Japan!
iChanul 8 months ago
I always figured Foley's inspiration behind the Cactus Jack character was Charles Manson.
dbostick82 9 months ago
Wow Mil Mascaras was 48 years old here and still moved quick as lightning.
SunbeamsSting 9 months ago
Thumbs up if Foley's book sent you here
fogodssake 10 months ago 43
Wow, Mick looked thin back then.
Anynom 10 months ago
Lol at 0:18 "CAPTAIN JACK MANSON"
rdorwa 10 months ago 2
I've always admired Mascaras but its not just Foley who has said that. Chris Jericho and "Superstar" Billy Graham, amongst many others, have made the same complaint.
TheBronzeSkull 10 months ago
Rick Steiner stayed up all night studying for a urine test,awesome,Jim Cornette is the man!!!
Ramblebar 10 months ago
Mil Mascaras was a shitty wrestler and he only looked good cause the other wrestlers carried his ass
slimmdogg2968 11 months ago
I read about Mascaras completely failed to sell anything Foley did in this match, I figured it was an exaggeration. No. Mascaras really screwed up... badly... around 5:38.
astrosteve 11 months ago
@astrosteve read it, too in foleys bio... unbelievable, that no-selling jerk nearly crippled foley. Was there ever a match mascaras vs hogan? *g*
Spiritofhamlet 10 months ago
hahah let go bitch ! 4:53 hahaha Mil was Bad ! hahahah VIVA MEXICO CABRONES !
cempakilispa 11 months ago
Mick Foley choose extreme style because he cannot wrestle, is not that mascaras didn't sell, is just that Foley doesn't know how to wrestle, the U.S. has a lot of wrestlers that can face Mascaras with good matches like Sting, Vader, Flair, but Foley? I mean C'mon...
nitromorphosis 11 months ago
@nitromorphosis No... I watched a Mil Mascaras vs Pierroth Jr where Pierroth called out Mil on the mic for being late and not nice to the other wrestlers.
maesre2004 10 months ago
Hard to believe Mil is Alberto Del Rio's real-life uncle.
elc1960 11 months ago
ya vi por que foley no quizo luchar con rick flair
alexcruzka 11 months ago
Nice. Nestea Plunge
fixxxer3456 11 months ago
Mick said he had to job to Mascaras and didnt want to. He wanted to kick out at least once to look at least kinda good.
fixxxer3456 11 months ago
@fixxxer3456 Mick didn't even want to wrestle him period. He told cornette mil sucked and the match would suck ,so cornette told him he would do what he could to put him over on commentary and make him look good.
bigrigbob2010 11 months ago
To quote Cornette, this match sucked a d*ck.
fixxxer3456 11 months ago
Eso si es estilo para caminar en el ring!!!!!
tekujtli 1 year ago
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styx4ever1963 1 year ago
its LIKE watching a match between a jiu jitsu expert (mil mascaras) vs a street brawler (catcus jack)
ShadowCygnus 1 year ago
all you mil mascaras haters can kiss my ass you people dont know shit about real wrestling
c4macho 1 year ago
@c4macho q es lo dices tu puta barata aprende a rrespetar a los luchadores chingones pendejo de mierda
crosshunk96 9 months ago
Crabman has read Mick's book then...
reedyberg 1 year ago
Y2JROCKFAN
ANTONIO INOKI IS MIL MASCARAS
CHRIZT28 1 year ago
@CHRIZT28 nice try mate lol
Y2JROCKFAN 1 year ago
Mil sold that backbreaker like a chump, he looked like he was afraid to take it
crabman66606 1 year ago
How old is Mil?
bookert01 1 year ago
@bookert01 240
maesre2004 1 year ago
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styx4ever1963 1 year ago
My god what a bump!!!!
thabomb1 1 year ago
3:44 see how bad the fat kid in the blue shits himself when foley points at him
pigobenis 1 year ago
JR and Jim Cornette. wow.
pigobenis 1 year ago
Mil didn't do much selling on America because he is a LUCHADOR NOT A WRESTLER, i mean, why wrestling fans believe all in what Foley said on his biography book?, is only his opinion as a victim of Mil Mascaras quality like a lot of other wrestlers and only because their're american like all of you, you think their right... and yeah i know, Mick is a great hardcore fighter, but actually not a technique wrestler just as japanese or mexican people, but all of you... already know that ;)
Kraodo 1 year ago
@Kraodo Then Why did mick do so well in japan? and I am not talking about the deathmatch tournament. He worked there for years before that in companies where wrestling came first. He actually turned the iwa/fmw down because he wasn't interested in the barbed wire and stuff like that,(it was called garbage wrestling by Giant baba,Antonio Inoki and the other japanese promoters) and he only went and did it because of terry funk.
He is best known for hardcore but he didn't always do it.
bigrigbob2010 1 year ago
@Kraodo Rubbish. Chris Jericho siad he was an egotist as well. I have seen Luchadors sell moves in America before. Mil Mascaras was happy to achive fame and then do nothing else for the rest of his Career. I am not American either an I still think Mascaras was over rated and went around happily sandbagging other guys, because he thought he was better.
juzt156 1 year ago
When Mascaras wrestled here in North America, he worked all his matches like they were his Mexican "super hero" movies - the "good guy" always wins and registers no pain when you beat on him. I had a ringside seat at Springfield Civic Center (MA) in 1979 when Mil wrestled George "The Animal" Steele. Mil sold NONE of Steele's moves, and dropkicked "The Animal" out of the ring. Steele WALKED back to the dressing room and as he passed me, I thought I heard him say "the hell with this shit"!
elc1960 1 year ago
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What I saw ? A wrestling class
reyinqu 1 year ago
What I saw ? A wrestling class
reyinqu 1 year ago
I remember Foley talking about Mil (and this match) in his first book and he was right - that backbreaker was pathetic. Also, that plunge was awesome.
jimmicampkin 1 year ago 2
that's why mil maskaras did it he knew that would happen
911sergios 1 year ago
Jim Cornette at 4:41, LOL.
WillHear432 1 year ago
Foley can't wrestle, why should an already iconic personality put over an untalented slob? I'll give it to him, he's taken some sick bumps. But what skill does that take? Seriously. If you want to talk about a "Hardcore Hero", think Mike Awesome.
ManiacFresh 1 year ago
@ManiacFresh
Being a good wrestler doesn't make someone great. Look at Austin and Hogan. All the did was punch and hit some weak moves (exception of the Stunner). But they are still two of the greatest ever.
Corvus887 1 year ago
@Corvus887 As far as Austin goes, watch some of his old WCW matches (as "Stunning" Steve Austin). Not a great hold-for-hold wrestler, but not weak either. The Stunner, however, was nothing more than DDP's "Diamond Cutter" (much like Randy Orton's "RKO"). What people put down about Mascaras is that he was incapable of "selling" for his opponent; it was all about Mascaras. He wrestled his matches like he was making one of his Mexican "super hero" movies - he always wins and registers no pain.
elc1960 1 year ago
@elc1960
I actually think he adopted the stunner from Mikey Whipwreck (not sure, but i think he did it first in ECW), but I always thought it was a great move. Even if it wasn't, he sure as hell got it over.
But that's kinda the point I was making. Being great doesn't really mean that u were good in the ring. Just means that u could sell tickets.
Corvus887 1 year ago
@Corvus887 True, very true. There seems to be a severe "charisma deficiency" in WWE and TNA today, though. And, oh yeah, a little concept called "ring psychology" as well. Kinda makes it easier to sell those tickets, y'know what I mean? And good storylines. They mean more than a group of heels indiscriminately running in and beating guys up for no reason (Nexus, Fortune). People are upset with the two main promotions doing little more than copying each other every week.
elc1960 1 year ago
@Corvus887 (continued from other post) We do agree on the ability to sell tickets or not sell them being what ultimately makes these guys great or not great. There are other factors beside those, amd WWE and TNA are left kinda wanting in those areas. Flair, AJ, Hogan, Orton, Cena, Undertaker - they have it. Kane, Kofi, Robert Roode, Punk, Matt Morgan . . . not so much. Morgan was with WWE (developmental deal) for years, but he just never clicked. Still hasn't quite clicked with TNA.
elc1960 1 year ago
@elc1960
Yeah, I think that Fortune and Nexus are attempts to recreate the nWo and 4 Horsemen. Only difference is, nWo and Horsemen had established big name stars. No one gives a damn about guys like Barret and Kaz, even if they are talented. And ring psychology is DESPERATELY scarce in today's scene. Even tho Foley is my all time favorite wrestler, Flair was right when he said that Foley drew a lot of money, but had little technical ability. Psychology and charisma beat out talent any day.
Corvus887 1 year ago
@elc1960
And for some reason, I just never got with Morgan. Dont know what it is, but I nvr really cared for him.
Corvus887 1 year ago
@Corvus887 Amen on both counts! I've been a pro wrestling fan since 1969 and this era has a lot of . . . blah. The old school was slower and more deliberate, but the matches were better. Psychology, charisma and decent storylines were the reasons why. Gonna have to check out your YouTube channel. Maybe there's a whole lot more that we agree on. Cheers!
elc1960 1 year ago
@elc1960 It was Johnny Ace's (john laurintis SP?) ace cutter in japan, DDP copied it and so on
bigrigbob2010 1 year ago
Gotta love a squash match when the person getting squashed comes out looking better than the winner.
Rayla840 1 year ago
Damn You Mascaras at.540 you prick!
styx4ever1963 1 year ago
Mil Mascaras alot of wrestlers said was a First Class Ass
styx4ever1963 1 year ago
mascaras is a selfish piece of garbage
easye46 1 year ago
@easye46 Mil mascaras a selfish piece of garbage?.. definitely your not a true fan of wrestling, your just another retard who like stupid actions figures like Cena, come on!!... you don´t deserve to see this kind of wrestlers with quality. Now go back to your tv and watch the shit drama of WWE or TNA.
Kraodo 1 year ago
5:40 - The beginning of the biggest prick move I have ever seen in my entire life. Mil Mascaras is a punk-ass bitch and he should have his balls cut off for that shit.
TheHellbilly83 1 year ago
no respect for mil mascaras....
alansalt 1 year ago
que mascaras tan chingonas
80hec 1 year ago
God, Mascaras is a sorry piece of shit. He didn't give Foley ANYTHING. What a prick.
Suriel1981 1 year ago
@Suriel1981 Mil Mascaras was a asshole during the whole match! He did not sell period!
styx4ever1963 1 year ago
Capetta sucks. It's not Captain Jack, fool.
Texas sucks. Obviously.
Mil Mascaras sucks. Backbreakers are built to kill.
Inediblehulk 1 year ago
Wow, mil mascaras win, is normal
elmarrana 1 year ago
Only. mil mascaras.
The best
angekd 1 year ago
at least the commentator (along with Ross, who is Sullivan, I think) said that Cactus Jack is "the real winner here." Pro wrestling is not just about looking good all the time, at times, it's also about making your opponent look good. in that regard, Mascaras sucks and Mick Foley is great. The real winner indeed.
Fj3 1 year ago
@Fj3 It was Jim Cornette not Sullivan.
draconian45 1 year ago
Mick really didn't want to work this match, like DavelnOCNJ said Mil had a terrible reputation for being a pansy in the ring. it's all in his book, which was amazing.
ChicagoAlex1990 1 year ago
Mil Mascaras deserves to have an ego...
piscataway53 1 year ago
The called him cactus jack manson cause he kinda looked like charles manson right?
nirvana6daniel 1 year ago
alot of wrestlers say Mascaras was a prima donna. I dont think so, if you look at the wrestlers that said it. foley, graham and jericho. foley in the words of ric flair was a stuntman, graham, who had great mic skills and had great body. but, he couldnt wrestle a lick. and jericho to me will always be a B wrestler.
louie1967 1 year ago
@louie1967 You believe Foley is just "a stuntman" just because Ric Flair said so? *LOL* You should try watching a few of his matches and believing what your eyes tell you, rather than blindly parroting the words of a guy who admitted (in his own book) that he was trying to get his own back for Foley's criticism of him.
Suriel1981 1 year ago
@Suriel1981 dont get me wrong, foley killed his body and I give him credit for his effort. but as far as pure wrestling skills go, he doesnt have it.
louie1967 1 year ago
@louie1967 It's good thing "pure wrestling skills" don't matter to be a succesful pro wrestler
Rayla840 1 year ago
@louie1967 Are you serious??? Jericho a B wrestler? wow this is news to me, Mascaras couldn't even sell that backbreaker, wtf??? r u serious, Mascaras had good offense but he would never sell that good, and he had a huge ego, bigger than most legendary wrestlers (Mitsuharu Misawa, Antonio Inoki, Kurt Angle, Bret Hart)
Y2JROCKFAN 1 year ago
@Y2JROCKFAN yep! I am serious! Jericho is a over hyped B wrestler. you can talk all you want about mascaras ego, but aleast he treated his fans well. Jericho was known for being a prick that he even hit fans. Jericho will never be in the league of a mascaras, sammartino, flair. mascaras is a international superstar. he had a right to have a ego.
louie1967 1 year ago
@louie1967 well at least jericho put the younger guys over and made them look good, he had a good arsenal of moves, was great on the mic and was not and i repeat not a prick, he did his job and the chick tried to hit her, he did not punch her more like push her over till she stacked it... Mascaras will sandbag the people he didn't like, that is not the mark of a pro, no matter how great of a wrestler u r, u never no sell to ur opponent.
Y2JROCKFAN 1 year ago
@Y2JROCKFAN sorry i meant him "and the chick tried to hit *him"
Y2JROCKFAN 1 year ago
It's true then, mil mascaras is a douche. He didnt sell .......how can you call yourself a wrestler when you don't do your job right. Dam dude, I had the feeling he had a huge ego....and every pro wrestler in U.S. has said that too.
ufctrailers 1 year ago
Cactus should have kicked him in his crotch
styx4ever1963 1 year ago 2
durn,u can see the teeth tht he lost layin beside him,damn
MrMiddletonII 1 year ago
@MrMiddletonII, In reality he lost his teeth months before in a car accident they wanted to use it for TV though.
ChicagoAlex1990 1 year ago
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OperationThrash 1 year ago
NADA MAS PARA QUE VEAN LA CATEGORIA DE LOS MEXICANOS
amigos751 1 year ago 2
@amigos751 es un hecho que la lucha es un deporte espectaculo cuyo fin es entretener, sin embargo , los conocimientos son fondamentales como en toda diciplina y eso a los luchadores mexicanos les sobra, no cabe duda que los nuestros aquie y en donde sean siempre seran los mejores
sorfis 1 year ago
Man, cactus Jack spent a lotta time getting other people over didnt he?
scumgod13 1 year ago
este wey es mickfoley y mick es uno de los mejores luchadores ke a tenido wwe pero ps con el senoron de mil mascaras no contaba con su astucia mil mascaras le metio una chinga...
yoskany28 1 year ago
Damn I remember calling 900-909-9900 when I was a kid.
thadanzwiggler 1 year ago
@thadanzwiggler Do you also remember the ass whoopin by your mom when she had to pay the bill,I do LOL!!!
Ramblebar 1 year ago
Foley's always been way to nice in the ring. When mascaras wasn't selling, Foley should have shot on him.
hooknshoot45 1 year ago
@hooknshoot45 Even though Mil did deserve it Mick has too much class and professionalism to do something like that.
bigrigbob2010 1 year ago
i love mil mascaras!
TheMovieLinker 1 year ago
A lot of people in mexico idolized Mil because of the movies but never realized or even wondered why he always dominates so much with so little... Well, it's simply because he won't take bumps. I just cant remember any match where mil ever took one serious bump.
maesre2004 1 year ago
@maesre2004 always dominates so much WITH SO LITTLE?, your a complete dumbass!!!, go and see videos of him when he wrestled on Japan and with your own eyes, you will check his true skills.
Kraodo 1 year ago
@Kraodo I don't need to, Mr. Kraodo. I've seen bunches of his matches in Mexico and I've seen Mil Mascaras in person. Do you know what a bump is? Can you be critical, or are you just a mark?
maesre2004 1 year ago
@Kraodo I don't need to watch videos. I've seen him wrestle in person and dozens of times on tv. He won't take bumps. YOU may need to read Mick Foley's book "Have a Nice Day", Chris Jericho's book, or Billy Graham's shoot interview where they confirm MIL is a genuine a-hol who won't sell or bump. Now, consider yourself pwned.
maesre2004 10 months ago 3
@maesre2004 mil only sell moves for wrestlers he considered worthy,he took bumps for bam bam bigelow,andre the giant,and even hogan,he can afford that,he's a legend
Wara77 7 months ago
ahh the old nestea plunge
Criminology187 1 year ago 2
I think this is the match that Foley wrote about in his book when he criticized Mascaras for not selling.
danteras23 1 year ago
cactus jack is hardcore man!
pacopacoax 2 years ago
mil mascaras was one of the greatest
DRAGON244818 2 years ago
foley made a career out of taking bumps, the perennial punching bag.
tonytnt1980 2 years ago
He should be called Mil "The Sandbag" Mascaras. Awful. Foley had to take all the bumps in that match. Mil walks like he's light in the loafers too.
dwm411 2 years ago
Mil was already a Legend When he wrestled this match, he doesnt have to beat himself up to draw a good match.
PureRecklessness 2 years ago
First, this match was in 1990, before Foley even had a steady job at WCW (that wasn't until 91), and he wasn't a legend until his stint in Japan and ECW, which didn't happen until after he left WCW in the mid-90s.
And when the jackass you're in there with isn't selling worth a damn, you can't have a good match without bumping. See Shawn Michaels v Hulk Hogan.
lunchpuppy 1 year ago
Which is why Foley hates the man like poison.
reivenlocke 1 year ago
This match wasn't quite as bad as Foley wrote in his book, actually. Sure - Foley doesn't look particularly good. But, there were some interesting spots, in the match.
TheBestPrevail 2 years ago
It must have been a walk in the park for the superior Mil Mascaras over the slow,no technique,brawler mick foley, who at best probably was no better than a sparring partner for Mil who was used to wrestling technical types like Canek, Dos Caras, among others, how can you ask Mil to sell Foley's sloppy moves, give me a break, mick should have invested in some wrestling lessons with all the money he saved on warddrobe.
tonytnt1980 2 years ago
2- I we study the "argument" of the fight looks evident that that "Back" breaker wasnt intend to show much damage in M.M. since the next step in the figh was Mil Mascaras Quickly returning to the ring and dropkick foley even the commentarist say's it "Mascaras DON'T looks Stunned" to reinforce the argument".
I really respect te work of Foley but the way he talks about M.M. for the "Back" breaker is wrong, he lacked the experience to make correctly the move an tht was the argument of the fgt
warejouse 2 years ago
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warejouse 2 years ago
Quite an abyss of difference between the wrestling styles, a brawler Foley and a more technical from Mil mascaras, who showed quite superiority ( domain of te wrestling moves and style) over a youg Foley with almost no tech.
Now for the ones saying Mil Mascaras didnt sell's the "Back Breaker"
1-That was NOT a back Breaker, looked more like some kind of Rib breaker, if foley was trying to do a Back Breaker he lacked way lot of tech.
warejouse 2 years ago
ouch
astro666zombie69420 2 years ago
Mil is one of the best wrestlers in Mexico now as much as I love Foley I dont know why u would put Mil against him
hardtime3000 2 years ago
Mil Mascaras can't sell lol. fucking sick bump by foley
augamon 2 years ago
Somebody tell me what song is playing at the very beginning please?????????
jstartime2 2 years ago
i am in urgent need of advice...hahaha good one brother
trentacid008 2 years ago
5:53 Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!
Oh God! That was hillarious!!!
On a side note; Mil Mascaras was a Wrestler and MIck FOley wasn't. Oh, and Im talking about real wrestler not just an actor.
ROFL!!!!!!!
Xtrigit 2 years ago
a eso si le llamo una paliza a domicilio...
RaiseL777 2 years ago
despues de santo mil mascaras son mis favoritos de toda mi vida
abbyroyer66 2 years ago
simon' Mil Mascaras es el leyenda!
this is old, he didn't use the Manson name for long... definitely a rare find!
moshkobra 2 years ago
Ken Patera thought Mascaras was a cry baby, too.
JoeDeceiver 2 years ago
Mascaras may be a legitimate legend in his home country, but I'll be damned if I know why...
JoeDeceiver 2 years ago
Can somebody, please for the love of god tell me why Mick Foley called himself Cactus Jack Manson at this time?
shaneomac911 2 years ago
He didn't choose to add 'Manson' to his name, the company did. Actually, I think some other territory did and he had been picked up with it.
JoeDeceiver 2 years ago
Ok right thanks a lot. I thought it had somat to do with Charles Manson, coz around that time he had an interview with someone on tv.
shaneomac911 2 years ago
Yeah, Foley was never comfortable with the association. When he came into the WWF (at the time, WWF, anyway), they originally wanted to call him "Mason 'The Mutilator'" as a take on his old 'CJ Manson' moniker. Luckily for him that didn't happen.
JoeDeceiver 2 years ago 2
they wanted to call him The Butcher Mankind or Mankind the Butcher
SadistSicko 2 years ago
Actually, it was Mankind the Mutilator lol
danthemagnum 2 years ago 2
Who created the "Mankind" character? I heard it was Vince Russo. I might be wrong though.
PlagueRiddenGoat 2 years ago
Partly Vince and Foley himself.
Dropkick32X 2 years ago
Foley did.
The concept was Vince's, but Foley did all the specs that made it so special.
Shoethiefking 1 year ago
World Class's fault.
Shoethiefking 1 year ago
Part of me is surprised Mil didn't wear his IWA championship belt to the ring. ;)
ccie12933 2 years ago
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mil was gay and mick blew him to get paid. mick blew vince to work for the wwe. rip mil.
diesel021234 2 years ago
Alot of wrestlers from Mil's day don't speak well of him. They say he was an acrobat first & a wrestler second. They say he was more concerned with keeping himself over & holding others down. They say he insisted on calling the match himself, because he only knew how to do so much.
He was one of a handful I idolized in the late 70's, but looking back, everything they've said seems to be true when I watch his matches on here.
DaveInOCNJ 2 years ago 10
@DaveInOCNJ i know chris jericho didn't speak to highly of him in his book
Aron316 1 year ago
@DaveInOCNJ Well said, mick said this was one of the worst and most disapointing matches of his career. He told thin ahead of time the match was going to suck ( and that mil sucked) and he was going to have to do something special to get the fans into it and hope they didn't notice
bigrigbob2010 1 year ago
no dio pelea ese cactus..... mis respetos a Mr. Personalidad..... una leyenda viviente...
ultron000 2 years ago 2
pinche foley parecia un perro parado jajaja
a webo gano el maestrisimo internacional mil mascaras
knamty87 2 years ago