I have a question for you, Fr., about how you define a rescue. From what I understand, the protesters in question stopped an abortion clinic from functioning for a period of time, which resulted a woman's abortion not occurring on that day. What makes you think that she won't make another appointment at a later date? Do you call this a rescue because you know that the protesters will have caused this woman to give birth to a live baby? Thanks.
Guadalupe Negron, a 33-year-old mother of four from Honduras, went for a safe, legal abortion at Metro Women's Center in Queens, New York. She was accompanied by her niece.
Pavone incites the more unstable members of your community to murder valuable members of our society in their place of worship in front of their family.
The anti -choice taliban are oposed to freedom of speech and have no debating points left. So they are forced en-masse to mark all pro-chioce comments as spam. Obviously they also think they can decide for everyone which comments should be allowed and which shouldnt.
IF YOU CAN READ THIS COMMENT , once again they have decided to silence the opposition because THEY dont want you to see something, and reposting this comment is my response to their opressive behaviour.
embryos are not babies, they're not viable and cannot sustain life. In fact, there have been over 79 million spontaneous or "god" abortions in the last decade alone....... why aren't you crying over them or the embryos cryogenically suspended in liquid nitrogen in IVF clinics?
Fellow Christians,There is a "hate crimes bill" S909 that was devised by the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith in order to criminalize Christianity. Any Good Christian who stands up for traditional marriage or who protests the murder of millions of babies by abortion will be subject to possible fines or jail time. Check out truthtellers and watch Rev Ted Pike's videos explaining the danger and then call your Senators toll free at 877-851-6437 and tell them NO on S.909 Save our Constitution.
Why don't you tell the catholic church to stop filing for bankruptcy in diocese all over the country to protect their assets from the victims of pedophile priests?
Abortion will not magically "end" any more than famine, war, torture, or HIV will "end". If it is not legal, it will just happen in a back alley with a coat hanger.
The anti-choice people who hold signs and pray are all well and good but how dare they block entrance to the clinic. Those women have a right to choice. or does their right not matter? I suppose the right to life and liberty begins at conception and ends at birth?
Perhaps you should consider rooting out the child molesters in your own religious cult before you begin telling women that they must bear a child against their will. It's always been all about "convert to our religion or we'll kill you" with you religious fanatics, hasn't it? You're a misogynist pure and simple.
what choice do children have when they are molested and abused by catholic clergy all over the world?? Was Pavone not aware of this during his years with the church? or when he was allegedly advocating for the parents of a brain dead woman vegetating for 10 years? How did he alleviate the suffering of the parents? pitiful self-serving, self-promoting hypocrite
women have died during the process of cosmetic surgery also. No elective surgery is without risks.
The risk of dying from childbirth is about 13 times that for early abortion, and the overall abortion complication rate is extremely low, about 25 times lower than for childbirth.
First-trimester abortion has become one of the safest and simplest medical procedures of all, one that can be quickly and routinely performed.
Abortion has only one conclusion: one dead and one wounded. Abortion is not about freedom of choice. It is a dead end. It's like shooting yourself in the foot and telling somebody it does not hurt when in fact you can see that they are actually in some sort of pain.
Even a nut like you knows that the conceptus isn't viable until sometime very late in the third trimester
There are over 300 thousand teenager girls livng in prostitution in this country. India has as many as 10 million teenage prostitutes and 11 million orphans where everyday there are thousands more just abandoned and dumped on the streets or outside a hospital. So before you talk about a dead end pavone, you better learn something about life
why are there so many millions of spontaneous or "god" abortions pavone? Why is you god an abortionist?
I remember the pain and suffering you caused the schiavo family Pavone when you stuck your hubristic sleazy catholic nose in their personal lifes. ANd for that I say that you are a meddling piece of shit pavone.
uh, i hate to break it to you, but abortion has been practiced for 1000's of years, if it's not available in hospitals and clinics then it will be practiced illegally.
the end of abortion is not in sight, which is unfortunate, but as long as they are being done, they should be done safely and legally.
Yes, I believe the end to abortion is coming very soon. Yes indeed, sin has been practiced for thousands of years, since the time of Adam and Eve actually. I don't think we should accommodate people in their sinning.
Your'e right, holding one's breath won't accomplish anything, but praying will. I am confident in God's Will being accomplished in the end to abortion. We might have to suffer but what's a little pain in comparison with eternal fire.? Keep your Faith Brother.
Adam and Eve .... were a myth stupid. Millions of embryos have been aborted spontaneously only to end up in a septic system. Where was your deity then?
While I admire non-violent resistance, though I doubt many of these "rescues" are non-violent (I could be wrong), it is, as others have said, an infringement; I know that these people are willing to go to jail, which they should be, because that is where they belong for trying to violate a doctor-patient meeting and the woman's legal right to an abortion. A four month old fetus is not a person, and does not have legal rights. The mother does.
Pavone is a demagogue with a head full of half logic
It is very important that people like this Priest are standing up for their belief; it is a huge concern to him as well as you, me and all of us as a society.
Legal murder is a damaging thing, on the Mother, the Father, most definitely the child; on our society, and God. People can paint a life with what they want abortion to appear like, twist the truth and invent horrible lies.
I assure you do some research on abortion, look at the pictures of what its all about. I know once anyone sees what it going on in our own neighborhoods/cities/country, they will understand instantly. There is no way anyone could not deny it truth of this matter, it would be un-human to do so.
In stead of sqaulbling we should be finding a way to help woman, find a way to make abortion less neccessary (which will help woman) , if we help woman and make laws condusive to helping woman then abortions will go down.
Dr. Fergusson and his research team compaired them with woman whom had NEVER been pregnaunt, the APA studies included all woman whom HAD been pregnaunt some chose adoption, and some chose abortion, but the findings concluded that an uplanned pregnancy is just as stressful no matter the outcome, both those woman whom had and had not had abortions had equal amount of mental truama suggesting the unplanned pregnancy was to blaim not the abortion or adoption.
False: Abortion causes pychological damage to the woman.(Is Common) The American Pychological Association has concluded that abortion rarely causes any long term or servere pscychological damage. Many negative fealings are do to the unwanted pregnauncy, abortion usualy brings fealings of relief.
False: Many unwanted pregnauncies become wanted childrem, woman often 'regret thier abortion'. Many unwanted babies are abused and neglected, and suffer lifelong development and social issues. Many woman have babies they don't want, and can't love or care for. A few woman may come to regret thier abortion, but that shoud'nt be a reason deny a chioce to all woman.
I do have evidence to the contrary of your myth that depression and abortion is not linked in the form of a 32 year old woman I am talking to who is going through severe depression after her abortion. She has since turned pro life and is getting educated on how to help other women not make the same mistake.
There you go condemning again for your own gain. I have no Idea who Tookie williams is, but just Googled it and found he was a leader of some gang. What the hell does that have to do with the killing if innocent children? You grasping at straws now? She does have a lot of good virtues, because she learned the truth and is helping others. The lies you spread are the focus of this topic, not some gang member.
Chuck;Tookie Williams was a gang leader who killed 4 unarmed people and wound up in San Quentin.Later on,he renounced his former activities and wrote books intended to dissuade young people from joining gangs.He was executed in December,2005.Perhaps other references would be more appropriate here.Suppose Andrea Yates or Susan Smith(both mothers convicted of killing their children)apologized and made efforts to discourage others from doing what they did.Should they be released from jail?
MELBOURNE, August 20, 2008 A 24 year old Australian woman's death has been blamed on her use of oral contraceptive pills, which she was taking them as part of her acne treatment.Tanya Hayes died on Monday from a pulmonary embolism - a blood clot in her lungs.
Having ignored symptoms, including "breathlessness" and "a nasty, hard cough" for about two weeks, she collapsed on Sunday night in a parking lot and was rushed to Angliss Hospital in Melbourne were she died five hours later.
Pavone is trouble with Rome. His order has been suppressed. What's going on? Is he going to end up like his fellow ENTJ, the suspended Fr. Nicholas Gruner?
A New Zealand researcher who is one of the world's leading experts on the kind of mental health problems women face after an abortion says thenew report from the American Psychological Association denying any link flies in the face of the best studies. Dr. David Fergusson conducted a seminal study in January 2006 that found women who have abortions are more likely to become severely depressed.
Chuck;I can see where Psalm 139 lines up with your beliefs.For me,however, this psalm is a work of art,a song of praise and thanksgiving from the composer to God.I don't interpret it as an edict from a Divine source on how to conduct ourselves.I went to Catholic school, and my son goes to a Baptist school. I'm no stranger to scripture.Thank goodness for freedom of religion:)
Jill Stanek was a nurse at Christ Hospital in Oak Lawn, Illinois in 1999 when she discovered that babies born alive after failed abortions purposely were being left to die in the "soiled utility room," which, says Stanek, is a room where biohazard materials and soiled linens are disposed of.
"That's where nursing staff took these babies and left them to die."
Stanek went public with her traumatizing experiences when hospital staff refused to stop the practice of infanticide.
n most United States,24 abortions are carried out for every 100 live births. In New York, 72 occur for every 100 live births.The easy availability of abortion may be the reason behind the city's high abortion rate.
Surgical abortion always carries risks, though slight, of complications—including ones that can tear or scar the uterus and compromise a woman's ability to have healthy children in the future,Dr. Hoskins says.There is an ongoing debate about the emotional consequences of abortion.
I think if we passed a law making the abortion of a fetus illegal unless a valid reason can be givin than we could stop allot of needless suffering though 95% of abortions happen before the 12 week, I merely think it wrong to "underage" picture of fetuses and embreyos, I also know that getting a photo of a miscairage IS NOT impossible acually quite easy , I just feel it's wrong to address anything over 10 weeks as the norm when it's not.
cont..Every time I look at Phoebe, I know I made the right decision. I never wanted to end my baby's life just because of how she came to be." [Daily Mail, 9 August]
A rape victim has spoken of her love she has for the child whom she was urged to abort. Miss Elizabeth Cameron, 19, of southern England, was allegedly raped by three men when she was 16. Her father arranged for an abortion and other people also tried to persuade her to have a termination. Her mother opposed an abortion and, when Miss Cameron saw her daughter on a scan, she became emotionally attached to her. She says: "I don't regret [keeping the child] for a moment...cont
I said 4 since yesterday, and I am 31 and have been studying this since I was 7 and 1st herd of abortion through a television movie. I would not stop asking til I got answers and I have lost count of how many children have their lives because of my interventions. and the interventions of many others like me. This was before the internet.
I do not believe you are educated enough to give the right advise if your view is pro-choice. If I were you I would look at the pro life standpoint and weigh the options. When you see the development stages of a child in the womb and see that child laying in front of you burned and torn apart, you will know the truth.
Yes my messages have been deleted. They were on there because I refreshed and saw them, then later were missing. I know the prolife guy is bickering also but he is spending too much time with someone that just don't care, and he could be spending it elsewhere. I personally have talked 4 women out of abortions and have given contact information in their state for assistance, as well as my home number for support. All after I gave JUDI the heave-ho. So he is wasting time.
chuck Re "Yes my messages have been deleted." In the few months that I`ve been subscribing to youtube I`m unaware of any messages being deleted from Father Pavone`s videos.Sometimes the order they appear in changes but they can usually be found if you start back from the begining and scroll through.Some video maker`s do delete messages that they don`t agree with/approve of,which is a great shame,but not Father Pavone.
One in particular was deleted, and I was sent a message from father pravones assistant with the explanation as to why. I do not wish to get into the reasoning, but just moving on from the chaos of J and her craziness. I found I was wasting time on a person that didn't deserve it, and that my time was better spent elsewhere. She is just the type that is looking for an arguement, and if ignored will go away. My advice, leave her b and focus on those that really need help.
Look, If my opinions are only going to be deleted, I am done with this thing. All that prolife's and judi's opinions and bickering back and forth are doing is looking like a war or the whitless. The pro life guy is getting pulled into an arguement that if left alone would be over with on here, to the person operating this in my opinion Judi should be blocked from sending comments because they are narrow minded in nature and just plain ignorant. Yall have a good 1. replys will be deleted at once.
I don't think you opinions are getting deleted sometimes of you make more than 7 comment in an hour they won't allow you to post for an hour, I think I'm right but not completely shore , It's realy not fair to take off Judi and not prolifeinternational either, they are BOTH bickering.
Really Judi thankyou, my doctor was talking about a plastic one I ask about and she said that they all aborted , I wonder why ? I have adviously bee incurrect thankyou Judi and my apologies chuck.
prolifeinternational: Answer, Because abortionists do not want their patients to know the truth about abortion. The only thing they see in their patients is $ signs.How many women would go through with it if they were told they were aborting a healthy baby girl or boy? They want to hide the truth and that is where we come in, to expose them for what they really are. Just cold blooded killers.
And I do have to correct myself on one of my stats, I said there are 1.35 million abortions preformed every year, it is actually 1.35 BILLION! I guess it was staring me right in the face but my mind just couldn't believe it. It is staggering to think of the great number of lives lost per year in sacrifice of other womens sexual pleasures. SLUTS OF THE WORLD, No wonder yall want a "CHOICE"!
chuck For the USA it`s currently around 1.35 million a year..UK 200,000..For the entire world estimates are in the region 45 million per year..It is simply not right to brand women as "sluts"..Many women find thenselves in a highly vulnerable position after becoming unexpectedly pregnant..So in order to protect them from becoming prey to abortionists we must all,including of course the childs father,do our utmost to provide them with all the care,support,and compassion needed to save the child.
OH THANK GOD, I was just browsing around and must have ran into a misprint. I tell ya I almost fainted at the thought of a number that high even though 1 is too many. Do you know what the global yearly is.
You are right, it was unfair of me to say such insulting things. I do apologize. I just get so frustrated when women are faced with facts and science that they still do not wish to believe it is a child that is being killed. I am a new member of the right to life foundation. I am still in training course 2 of 5 so it will be a while before I can participate in an actual rescue. Hopefully by then I can get my emotions in check.Thank you for bringing me back to what matters.
chuck. Thanks,that means a lot. Good luck with your course! I`ve been arguing/debating for several weeks on another message site with an ardent pro abortionist. Yesterday even she included the following in one of her responses ..Quote; "While pregnant, on the other hand ... all sorts of wacky things happen to a woman's hormones and chemistry as a result of the pregnancy". We must never forget this as it can hugely INCREASE vulnerability and DECREASE the usual ability to make rational decisions.
So true, but I still do not understand why it has to be so hard just to get people to find the line between right and wrong. I actually had a woman leave me a message that said she had 3 kids and just had an abortion because the cost of another child wouldn't fit into their budget, she then stated she wasn't a bad mother for having it and ended the conversation by saying "GOD BLESS". Does she even have a bible? I don't know but if she does she hasn't really studied it.(CONT)
chuck..Whilst we are all of course conceived and born as unique people,our individual upbring and experiences are unique too..Many people use Christian and biblically based terminology in everyday life without meaning it literally..maybe they were believers at one time..maybe their parents were but they weren`t..who knows? Unfortunately the distinction between right and wrong has been blurred by the legality and liberalisation of abortion coupled with all the pro abortion propaganda...cont
chuck. cont.. I think it`s the duty of prolifers to speak the truth at all times and expose the lies of the pro abortion rhetoric by raising awareness as to the very real horrors of abortion and the destructive effects it has,not just on women and children,but the whole of humanity. Many people have the opinion,for example,that the aborted children are just an inditinguishable lump of jelly like cells. It is essential that we help them,without judgement,to recognise that this is simply not true.
I know that and so do you, but the only way to convince them is if they see it for themselves. I have been told that the images in my videos are faked, or that they can't see abortionists preforming an abortion on women in their 2nd or 3rd trimester, when the truth is they do it every day."PRO_CHOICERS" just don't want to see that it is real, or don't want it to be true so that it makes it easier on themselves living in a state of denial.I wish I could go through life oblivious to reality.
chuck. Re "I have been told that the images in my videos are faked," I`ve not yet seen your videos but I wouldn`t be the least concerned that some people accuse you of showing fakes..(username juid1050 does that to Father Pavone quite frequently,but her "job" is dependent on women getting abortions!) The really important thing is that the images are there for the uneducated and doubters to see,not the hard core pro choicers and pro abortionists who have to resort to lies when promoting abortion.
"The really important thing is that the images are for the Uneducated and doudters to see", How very nice I've got to write that one down. We'll girls like me will always be here to educate people. So that these videos cannot pray on the uneducated. I think it's time to blow the wissal on " false dating" of embreyos and fetuses on these videos. To chuck none of it appears fake, it justs seems that some of them where miscairages and not abortions, none of the usual methods anyways.
Dothia Re "it justs seems that some of them where miscairages and not abortions," Late term miscarriages are extremely rare. Btw I very frequently get told that aborted children are just "a clump of cells". So whilst the images of aborted children are not pleasant to see,it is important that those people realise that their opinion is simply not true.
Dothia, I appreciate that you are trtying to protect me from fraudulant views, but I am the type also that is not easily swayed. I had my doubts at first as to if thease are creditable images or not,and found that they are in fact real photos, and some as recent as 4 months ago.Even if you think a 3rd trimester abortion is a rare occasion,A 3rd trimester child has all of the nenve endings that a 12 week or last week of a 1st trimester child has.cont
And even if it is a rare occurance, how rare is acceptable? 25%, 12% maybe only 5% well 5% of 1.35 milliopn is 51,750 a year witch is 142 a day. That is not rare to me at all. None of us want to cloud facts, we only want the skeptical to see what the truth is, and we are out to save children. we have no wishes to harm anyone, just to save lives.
But I can't, my moral ethics forbid it, so I will just keep on one person at a time. Did you know that here in Ohio and other states there are child drop off sites designated to those who feel they cannot take on the responsability of a child? All they have to do is drop them off and leave, no name, no number, just leave, and the child lives. Why do they need to be killed? there are programs to help with food, shelter, clothing, there is no reason to kill. It is not the answer.
Forbid me to go through life in a state of denial, nor to turn my back on those in need. That is what my ethics will not let me do. I have a moral obligation as I see it and as we all do, to help anyone in need of direction. It is by no means a product of how I was raised, or a testiment to my parents showing me the right path. I had to figure this out on my own. It is a good feeling to know you made a difference in anothers life. everyone should know that feeling.
chuck Re " Why do they need to be killed? " The fact is they DON`T need to be killed.. EVER! And this is precisely the message we need to get out there. To have credibility I personally believe that,regardless of our own personal motivation and beliefs,we must try try to communicate with as many people as possible,totally regardless of their race,religion,gender,and politics etc. Abortion affects absolutely everyone and the more neutral we can be the more people we might potentially reach.
Otherwise she would know that in PSALM 139,12-16 it clearly states that a child is a gift from God and that it is to be a blessing, and that all of the days of our live were recorded in his book before any of them ever began. It also says that even while we are growing in our mothers womb, God is with us, and knows we are there."Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect" "For thou has covered me in my mothers womb"How can a person say GOD BLESS and then defy God? It's a mystery to me.
That religious arguement alone should fall under the commandment "THOU SHALL NOT KILL" and after all, isn't our judicial system founded on the basis of religion? There really is no seperation of church and state. The church is in the courtroom. Thou shall not steal, kill, covet thy neighbors wife and so on. Can't there be a legal arguement for that?
I answered this question on page 3. Titled: Visectomy vs Tubal Ligation \ first chaptor, Visectomies vs Tubial Ligation PartII/ second chaptor, VvsT PartIII,/ third chaptor. Thankyou for the information on free baby sitting , my friend is calling them.
your welcome, but I still think this is a crazy argument. If it will end abortion I am all for it, but how many guys do you know that will actually have the process reversed? We are talking a very small percentage and possibly the end of mankind. Here is my opinion, If you don't want the risk of a baby, just don't have sex. That is the real answer.Sex is not recreational, it's soul purpose is to create life. That is it's design. That WILL END ABORTION,and I am talking men and women alike.
Thankfully having a reverse operation isn't neccessary, they can "tap" the sperm using a catheter and needle, I'm not shore but that's how my friend's mom got pregnant, with her second child. I agree about sex , when your young and unmarried or niether one of you want children for a very long time, wether your married or not one partner needs to be sterelized or just don't have sex, or use a condom.
You do know the mass produce condoms by the millions right?/ and there is an insert my wife is on called an I.U.D.,and of course the pill and several other contraceptives. People have to use them in order for them to work though. There are even government programs that supply them for free and many are covered by most insureance. People need to take full advantage of them and we wouldn't have a problem.
Personally Interuterus Devices make me nervous they can cause overian cysts, which are extrememly painful, I would never recomend them , but to each thier own, my partner was wearing a condom, it broke and that's how I became pregnant, Inter untarian devices do NOT stop fertilization of the egg but merely stop it from inplantation into the uterus, I don't mean to upset you,but ALL internal female contriceptives are forms of abortion.
Do;The copper in the Paraguard IUD affects the unfertilized eggs so that they become inviable and unlikely to be fertilized. The hormones in the Mirena IUD suppress ovulation. You may not like IUD's for personal reasons,but they are not abortifacient.
My wife is on the Mirena IUD but one word of warning, there is a chance of an allergic reaction. If that occurs there is the 3 month depo that offers the same results, but the IUD lasts for up to 5 years with annual check ups. Every 3 or so monthe the first year to pinpoint complications, but after that annual, so it is more convienent.
Visectomies make anti- abortion sence, tubial ligation will merely cause more abortion in a desperit attemp to save the mothers lives. 100% percent of woman will be able to steal sire thier own children only 20%of wamon will be able to gestate. So vasectomies are family friendly, safer and cause no deaths, "pro-lifers" find this important. Por-life mean pro-vasectomies, becuase they work and will reduce abortions by 99.8 percent.
VvsTPartIII longterm health issues such as ovarien cyst have occured. Many woman also suffer from bladder injury, bleeding from major blood vessels, burning of the bowls,permanent pain during intercourse, cervical cancer arraised 3.5 times higher. Fact:1. 37% of sterilized woman willhave long term complications.2. O% percent of men will have long term complications from sterilaztion.After reversal 64% of woman have tubal pregnancies, causingmore abortion inan atemp to savethe mothers life.
Vasctomy vs Tubial Ligation Part II : Vasctomies are more likely to get Goverment assistance and could even be given for free. Vassectmoies are simpler,safer,cheaper, and takes less time to recover from the tubal ligation.
Fact: If a man gets a vasectomy, friday afternoon and he follows all his doctors instructions hell be back to work fealing almost nothing by monday. Long term studies have never reported any negative affectsof vasectomy, unlike tubial ligation, long term health
Fact: Because a vasectomy is safer and less complicted than tubal ligation, most physicians recommend male rather than female sterializtion. The vasectomy is a simple office procedure,which takes ten minutes under a simple anesthetic. Most men admit it is less painful than a trp to the dentists office. Facts:
1. Fatalities per 100,000 : tubal ligation=3.51% Vasectomy= 0
These three articles where merely to add prospest, showing the reproductive encroachment can happen to either sex. Maybe it will help men to further understand are feelings when a womans reproductive rights are trampled upon. Imagin a world where forced visectomy is a norm horrible for men right ? Well a world where abortion is illegal is about 100 times more horrible for woman. Like I said I beleive in reproductive freedom for both sexes. These articles are for prospective only.
This is not adressed to anyone but, merely an oversite of my beliefs, I beleive that everyone should be allowed to make thier own reproductive chioces I dont beleive that men should be forced to have visectomies, and I beleive that abortion should stay safe and legal up to six weeks. I have a deep respect for sentinent life and am a vegan. I'm an for a mans right to choose sterelization and a womans right to choose abortion. No one should be forced to have a visectomy or a baby.
Adoption is will not stop abortion, as long as woman become pregnant thier will be abortions wether they are legal or not, The only way to stop the abortion is to prevent the pregnancy, why not the 77% of anti-abortionist men have a 20 minute procedure that will stop the pregnancy affectively stopping the abortion, if she can't get pregnant then she can't get an abortion simple.
I have been so wrapped up in these debates that I have been neglecting my own sons and my family, It is obvious that everyone is going to have their own stubborn thoughts reguardless of facts or reason so I am taking a few days off of replying to comments to spend time with my family. I will let my video comments speak for me in my absence. To those fighting the good fight, Please pray for the children,and that their mothers make the right choice,The choice of life.
PartIII If the woman cannot become pregnant the she cannot have an abortion. Visectomies are a simple procedure and in thefuture if the man wishes to have a family a simple reversal sperm collection procedure can be performed. Unlike historectomies and other interunterian devices an invasize surgery is not required. I just thought this is an interesting point of veiw for the 77% of anti-abortionists men. By passing a simple visectomy law you cancut down on abortion by99.08 %
If all men in the United States where visectimized, than for every 100,000,000(statistics form the CDC) abortions that accur a year, only 10 of those woman woman would become pregnant . Greatly reducing the numbers of abortions if not eliminating them all together. Chances of becoming pregnant by a visectamized man are 0.1%. Reversal are 65% successful, 100% can donor. The rate of accidental pregnancies in the U.S.A alone will be reduced to 0.1 %.
Visectomey Law or Prop ? : The only realistic way of stopping abortions in the United States would be the passing of a prop or law requiring all men to be visectamized. Making abortion illegal or hader to abtain will only make illegal abortion more prolific, statistics show that woman in countries where abortion is illegal are just as likely to get abortions as woman in countries where it is legal. Thier are many easy to use cheap natural alternatrives to surgical abortion,
Both the man and the woman concieved 50% , 50% it takes both, but unfortinately in todays society we hardly ever hold the man accountable for his actions, but yet 77% of anti-abortionists are men. Doesn't really make any sense , this type of thinking is nothing but rash sexism and ignorence, or an excuse to remove blaim from one's own sex. We tend to forget if the man did'nt get the woman pregnant than abortions could'nt happen, becuase no one would get pregnant.
by that reason wouldn't it stand true that men are accountable? 77% of the pro life movement is male , so by that wouldn't you find them to be accountable fathers should they find their partner pregnant?And what of those who wanted their children but selfish and evil women said "NO, I'D RATHER KILL IT THAN GIVE IT TO YOU".Equal rights means equal say.
If they are not themselves considered evil for empregnating the woman , by embregnating the woman they caused the abortion to happen wether they wanted to or not, but you take accountabiliy of the abortion by your opinion, if you can not hold then just as accountable for the abortion as the woman who had it then where does thier deserved opinion come in here ? Equal rights also means equal responsability.
No There are 1.35 million abortions a year, less than 1% are due to rape or medical problems. The other 99% are due to women having consentual sex, finding out they are pregnant, then having "CONVIENENCE ABORTIONS" that is where they want the sex that leads to the baby, they just would rather kill the kid and keep on screwing rather that take responsibility for what they knew was coming. NEXT
He is steal just as responsable for the pregnauncy and abortion as the woman is wether he knew or not he complied to sex and knowingly took the risk of embregnating her and causing an abortion. Remenber it takes a man and a woman to make an unplanned pregnauncy if he didn't have sex with her then she wouldn't get pregnaunt,but men do this anyways , isn't that the least bit selfish or evil to you?
I'm not delusional, this is taken fron actual research and statistics , it can be a posibility and easily eachieved. You are probably referring to me having to "pull together" my words in order to make character count, and how pathetic anyways can't you come up with anything better than my spelling. Not that I agree with taking peoples reproductive rights away, you apparently didin't like the idea of YOUR reproductive freedom being taken away from you so why would you want to take it from me.
Never said a thing about taking your reproductive freedom, your arguement is lame, The killing of a child has nothing to do with your ability to reproduce. It has to do with the murder of innocent children. Why don't you watch both of my video responses and save your arguement for someone of lesser intelligence
Gestating is a reproductive right, the chioce to terminate a geatational period is also a reproductive right , abortion is all about reproduction it is impossible for it NOT to be. For a matter of fact it isn't even an argument to wether abortion is a reproductive chioce but simply a fact. So my argument is is actually not an argument but a statement and fact.
You missed the part where I said a simple reversal and collection can be performed so extinction of the human race is not even an issue our a problem. 65% of men will be fully fertial after a reversal.
and some of those that want children won't be able to. there are plenty of mothers that want children that have to turn over seas to China or Rawanda, why can't the answer be adoption? Or how about an abstonence law til marriage, that way anyone having sex out of wedlock will be arrested. Isn't that just as crazy? But can't argue that both options will work.
Generally these are 2 rate families whom weren't considered good enough by any prospective mothers, I'm not saying thier bad parents or anything, just not TOP flight. This shows how good you must be to adopt in the United States and how secure woman can feal who choose this chioce, I want them to always be able to choose the BEST for thier child.
And I am sure the rest of the sanitarium will agree with you but the level minded will not, now if you will excuse me, I have to go kiss my son and tell him I love him.
If men cannot be held accountable for thier actions than why they deserves for thier opinions to be ? This type of thinking makes abortion no longer a mans issue and entirely a womans issues.
What State do you live in we certainly do not have these luxuries in California, my rent was $1500 for a 1 bedroom apartment, and in Los Angelos that's cheap. Free childcare is provided by the public school system ( a very good thing), but I was going to a private school at the time. So free child care was not a possibiliy.
I live in Ohio and The government founded DEPARTMENT OF JOB AND FAMILY SERVICES do offer these programs in LOS ANGELES CALIFORNIA here is the contact information
Thankyou, very much I will be passing this information on to many friend who Im shore will use it. I was merely stating that you forgot to slander the man as well a more fair statement might have been," woman who get abortions are whores and the men who get them pregnant are gigolos," though I don't beleive this ,but the statement would be far more fair.
Well, I do not condone a man that takes off on his family neither. That is a deadbeat. The only difference is that a man cannon concieve a child in his womb and abort it just because he doesn't want to have it. If we could I would be all over them too. This is not a sexist thing, it is a moral thing.
I never said that,and I am an accountable male. My children live with me, and women cannot concieve without men so I believe men should have a say in if they want their child torn to bits by machines or burned to death by saline. I believe women should not be selfish in that aspect acting like they are the only ones effected and that it is all their decision.
Dothia..I think you`ve been treated rather harshly especially for one so young,and at a time when you were particularly vulnerable...If you ever get unexpectedly pregnant again please don`t hesitate to let me know and I`ll do my very best to help,in anway I can,and also put you in touch with any locally available resources so that you`ll be able to get all the necessary care and support you might need.
I wasn't on easy streat anymore the pragnuancy was wearing me thin. The pregnauncy terminated it's self 2 days before my set abortion date. It was than I realized how responsable motherhood worked. I would NEVER have been able to support a child, thankfully I was aloud to come back home and quite my jobs until I was 18 and got kicked out again , I hold a 5.0 thanks to my parents teaching me responsability . I made a smart chioce by seeking to end the gestation. If it had not ended naturally.
If I was her mother she would be out of my house. I would refuse to support her in any way financialy , to teach her responsability. She is 16 and gestating for the 2 time if somebody doesn't do something doon than this may get out of control. Kicking me out of the house was the first thing my parents didi when they found out I was pregnaunt , I wasn't going to get an abortion, until I had to work 2 night jobs and go to highschool I only got 2 hours of sleep.
My niece does have a job and is responsible for taking care of the financial needs of her children, she is also a full time student with a 4.2 GPA. In the beginning we were all outraged that she became a mother so early in life, but in the end it came down to the needs of the unborn child. She should not have to pay for her mothers mistakes, There are other options available for mothers that need help,including housing, and food. and it doesn't have to mean you future is ruined.
Yes it includes low income housing on a sliding scale, I have heard of rent as low as $35 a month for a 2 bedroom, and Free child care and is available to anyone who needs it.
Taking on the burdens of raising a child should be the woman's chioce, and NO one elses. If your niece isn't responsible or educated enough to use birth control, than why is she responsable enough or educated enough to raise 2 children No doubt she is steal living with her mother and her mother is propably taking most of the responsability.
Keeping an Infant: I wish every mother wishing to keep her infant could, but the harsh reality is that many woman seeking to keep thier infants simply cannot . They may even lack, domestic structure,envirement, and finances. Many woman whom give thier children up for adoption are seeking the best for them and the best for their infant is not them. So they make the painful chioce of adapting out the infant, that they themselves cannot keep.
Then you have just agreed with me that adoption is a good alternative for those who cannot provide for their children? thank you for seeing the light.
Abortions will ensure quality homes for infants because if thier is less infants than couples wishing to adopt them , than this alone will ensure quality homes. When mothers can be picky and fickle about adoptors then only the best will be able to adopt. If abortion is stopped than, that balance may be changed and woman will be forced to place infants out of shear desperation, and not based on the quality of the adoptors, which will result in a dromatic drop in the quality of available homes.
These infants grow to be adults and live their own lives, you are telling me that an infant who grew up in foster care or an orphanage is worse off than a child that grew up in a structured home? Have you seen the news lately? Why would anyone deny life on that arguement? and why don't women just step up and be a mother? My 16 year old niece is pregnant with her 2nd child. I blame her mother for not educating her on birth control, but I have a happy healthy and loved great niece.
Homes where abuse happens are not structured , but that's a given. Many Many children growing up in foster and orphanages are abused more so them children born into a married situation , though you may not see ot on the new they are in general more orphans and foster children are 78% more likely to be abused. Being a mother is a chioce, not to be forced upon anyone. Your niece made a CHIOCE one that woman like myself are trying to protect.
and the child coming will get the same. She is finishing high school by use of the programs available for younger moms and plans to go to collage to be an anesthesiologist.There is hope to those who don't give up.
Is yourniece required to work inorder to support herself ? Isyour niece in a situation by which her pregnancy cancuase her to loose the onlyjob thatputs food in her mouth and pays the rent ? Is she currently in college , with NO family support financially of any kind ? Probably not and I doudt she has to rely on herself to support herself. I have to do all of that at 18 years of age, any pregtnauncies would have to be terminated forme to keep upmy life, becuase gestation is physicaly draining.
always have my humble opinion: FUCK YOU
aldodarin 3 months ago
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father frank fucks kids
hang the troll
animalmother669 6 months ago
If you are so worried about people dying why do you worship God? Have you ever read the old testament? I felt like I was reading MacBeth.
intercipio 1 year ago
shut the fuk up please will ya?
ZaphedBeebleBrox 1 year ago
I have a question for you, Fr., about how you define a rescue. From what I understand, the protesters in question stopped an abortion clinic from functioning for a period of time, which resulted a woman's abortion not occurring on that day. What makes you think that she won't make another appointment at a later date? Do you call this a rescue because you know that the protesters will have caused this woman to give birth to a live baby? Thanks.
budgiefly1 1 year ago
i'd say, it's someone else's kid let them take care of it
twizy123 1 year ago
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AbortionKillsBabies AKA deltaoIemissfan is a convicted pedophile.
prochoicenz 1 year ago
Guadalupe Negron, Abortion Death
Guadalupe Negron, a 33-year-old mother of four from Honduras, went for a safe, legal abortion at Metro Women's Center in Queens, New York. She was accompanied by her niece.
deltaoIemissfan 1 year ago
Father Frank for president!!!!
helen12544 2 years ago
Pavone incites the more unstable members of your community to murder valuable members of our society in their place of worship in front of their family.
deltaolemissfan 2 years ago
Frannk pavone for dog catcher
deltaolemissfan 2 years ago
The anti -choice taliban are oposed to freedom of speech and have no debating points left. So they are forced en-masse to mark all pro-chioce comments as spam. Obviously they also think they can decide for everyone which comments should be allowed and which shouldnt.
IF YOU CAN READ THIS COMMENT , once again they have decided to silence the opposition because THEY dont want you to see something, and reposting this comment is my response to their opressive behaviour.
MrLikeapheonix 2 years ago 3
I really dont understand how people can say its ok to kill an unborn baby!?
why do the same people cry over babies that get murdered after birth.. but dont give a shit before they are born?
SEERBEAR 2 years ago
embryos are not babies, they're not viable and cannot sustain life. In fact, there have been over 79 million spontaneous or "god" abortions in the last decade alone....... why aren't you crying over them or the embryos cryogenically suspended in liquid nitrogen in IVF clinics?
deltaolemissfan 2 years ago
this video makes me want to have an abortion ---stop telling people what to do
amymuses 2 years ago
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Fellow Christians,There is a "hate crimes bill" S909 that was devised by the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith in order to criminalize Christianity. Any Good Christian who stands up for traditional marriage or who protests the murder of millions of babies by abortion will be subject to possible fines or jail time. Check out truthtellers and watch Rev Ted Pike's videos explaining the danger and then call your Senators toll free at 877-851-6437 and tell them NO on S.909 Save our Constitution.
standupforfreedom153 2 years ago
embryos are not babies stupid.
Why don't you tell the catholic church to stop filing for bankruptcy in diocese all over the country to protect their assets from the victims of pedophile priests?
deltaolemissfan 2 years ago 2
A heart has begun to beat in 22 days after conception.
FrFrankPavone 2 years ago
and this so called heart is a morphologically linear like that of an insect.
why does your god spontaneously abort a conceptus after the onset of this heartbeat? Why is your god an abortionist Pavone?
deltaolemissfan 2 years ago
Abortion will not magically "end" any more than famine, war, torture, or HIV will "end". If it is not legal, it will just happen in a back alley with a coat hanger.
The anti-choice people who hold signs and pray are all well and good but how dare they block entrance to the clinic. Those women have a right to choice. or does their right not matter? I suppose the right to life and liberty begins at conception and ends at birth?
Abortion should be SAFE, LEGAL, and RARE.
morrowindpaladin 2 years ago
It is never justified. Abortion is not about freedom of choice but no freedom and no choice.
FrFrankPavone 2 years ago
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morrowindpaladin 2 years ago
Perhaps you should consider rooting out the child molesters in your own religious cult before you begin telling women that they must bear a child against their will. It's always been all about "convert to our religion or we'll kill you" with you religious fanatics, hasn't it? You're a misogynist pure and simple.
AtlasShruggery 2 years ago
But then who would i molest?
FrFreakyPhobicFrank 2 years ago
That is a serious accusation, not to be taken as a joke.
dianaberry9393 2 years ago
what choice do children have when they are molested and abused by catholic clergy all over the world?? Was Pavone not aware of this during his years with the church? or when he was allegedly advocating for the parents of a brain dead woman vegetating for 10 years? How did he alleviate the suffering of the parents? pitiful self-serving, self-promoting hypocrite
deltaolemissfan 2 years ago
No abortion is safe, legal and rare because women have died from so-called "safe, legal" abortions as well too.
FrFrankPavone 2 years ago
women have died during the process of cosmetic surgery also. No elective surgery is without risks.
The risk of dying from childbirth is about 13 times that for early abortion, and the overall abortion complication rate is extremely low, about 25 times lower than for childbirth.
First-trimester abortion has become one of the safest and simplest medical procedures of all, one that can be quickly and routinely performed.
deltaolemissfan 2 years ago 5
Abortion has only one conclusion: one dead and one wounded. Abortion is not about freedom of choice. It is a dead end. It's like shooting yourself in the foot and telling somebody it does not hurt when in fact you can see that they are actually in some sort of pain.
FrFrankPavone 2 years ago
That's a completely irrational assumption pavone.
Even a nut like you knows that the conceptus isn't viable until sometime very late in the third trimester
There are over 300 thousand teenager girls livng in prostitution in this country. India has as many as 10 million teenage prostitutes and 11 million orphans where everyday there are thousands more just abandoned and dumped on the streets or outside a hospital. So before you talk about a dead end pavone, you better learn something about life
deltaolemissfan 2 years ago
why are there so many millions of spontaneous or "god" abortions pavone? Why is you god an abortionist?
I remember the pain and suffering you caused the schiavo family Pavone when you stuck your hubristic sleazy catholic nose in their personal lifes. ANd for that I say that you are a meddling piece of shit pavone.
deltaolemissfan 2 years ago 2
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harkeyahh 2 years ago
How about you just don't fuck?
BigEagles33 1 year ago
God Bless Father Pavone. The end to abortion is in sight. We love you.
Tolyasooo 2 years ago
uh, i hate to break it to you, but abortion has been practiced for 1000's of years, if it's not available in hospitals and clinics then it will be practiced illegally.
the end of abortion is not in sight, which is unfortunate, but as long as they are being done, they should be done safely and legally.
keep abortion safe, keep it legal.
digitalkath 2 years ago
Yes, I believe the end to abortion is coming very soon. Yes indeed, sin has been practiced for thousands of years, since the time of Adam and Eve actually. I don't think we should accommodate people in their sinning.
Tolyasooo 2 years ago
It's good to have dreams (fantasies). Helps keep you young.
However, other than as a fantasy, I'm afraid I wouldn't hold my breath.
hotFusionReaction 2 years ago
Your'e right, holding one's breath won't accomplish anything, but praying will. I am confident in God's Will being accomplished in the end to abortion. We might have to suffer but what's a little pain in comparison with eternal fire.? Keep your Faith Brother.
Tolyasooo 2 years ago
Adam and Eve .... were a myth stupid. Millions of embryos have been aborted spontaneously only to end up in a septic system. Where was your deity then?
deltaolemissfan 2 years ago
While I admire non-violent resistance, though I doubt many of these "rescues" are non-violent (I could be wrong), it is, as others have said, an infringement; I know that these people are willing to go to jail, which they should be, because that is where they belong for trying to violate a doctor-patient meeting and the woman's legal right to an abortion. A four month old fetus is not a person, and does not have legal rights. The mother does.
Pavone is a demagogue with a head full of half logic
lombard34 2 years ago
And then the pregnant woman goes home and uses a clothes hanger, potentially killing or permanently damaging herself.
Great rescue effort.
Biorhythm1234 3 years ago
interesting word choice.
that's not a "rescue"
that's an infringement on women's rights.
yr just an old white guy, this issue is none of your concern, there is a reason why it is legal.
their body, their choice.
if you don't agree with abortion, don't get one.
digitalkath 3 years ago
WELL SAID
ZegatonZ 3 years ago
What if a mother were going to kill her newborn.
Would that be an "old white guy's" concern?
Her Baby! Her Choice!
byjove23 2 years ago
What an absolutely ignorant and blinding response. There is no such thing as choice in an abortion; the human child has NO choice.
pbuschca 2 years ago 2
It is very important that people like this Priest are standing up for their belief; it is a huge concern to him as well as you, me and all of us as a society.
pbuschca 2 years ago
Legal murder is a damaging thing, on the Mother, the Father, most definitely the child; on our society, and God. People can paint a life with what they want abortion to appear like, twist the truth and invent horrible lies.
pbuschca 2 years ago
I assure you do some research on abortion, look at the pictures of what its all about. I know once anyone sees what it going on in our own neighborhoods/cities/country, they will understand instantly. There is no way anyone could not deny it truth of this matter, it would be un-human to do so.
pbuschca 2 years ago
I have researched, plenty.
and i've see the anti-choice propghanda you're talking about.
I've also discovered reasons why abortion is available, and why it NEEDS to be available.
if you don't agree with abortion, don't have one.
who are you to push your morality on other people?
digitalkath 2 years ago
bingo!!
deltaolemissfan 2 years ago
nammer Re "probably doesn't even use a condom and always goes for sloppy seconds".. You sound like the voice of experience.
prolifeinternational 3 years ago 2
Dear Fr. Pavone,
Please continue this blessed work.
Jitpring 3 years ago 3
In stead of sqaulbling we should be finding a way to help woman, find a way to make abortion less neccessary (which will help woman) , if we help woman and make laws condusive to helping woman then abortions will go down.
SabrinaSilverstien 3 years ago 3
I'm pro-life , but even I know that making abortion illegal will only hurt and kill more people than it will help.
SabrinaSilverstien 3 years ago 2
ECW654=Judi1005:)
ECW654 3 years ago
Dr. Fergusson and his research team compaired them with woman whom had NEVER been pregnaunt, the APA studies included all woman whom HAD been pregnaunt some chose adoption, and some chose abortion, but the findings concluded that an uplanned pregnancy is just as stressful no matter the outcome, both those woman whom had and had not had abortions had equal amount of mental truama suggesting the unplanned pregnancy was to blaim not the abortion or adoption.
SabrinaSilverstien 3 years ago
False: Abortion causes pychological damage to the woman.(Is Common) The American Pychological Association has concluded that abortion rarely causes any long term or servere pscychological damage. Many negative fealings are do to the unwanted pregnauncy, abortion usualy brings fealings of relief.
SabrinaSilverstien 3 years ago
False: Many unwanted pregnauncies become wanted childrem, woman often 'regret thier abortion'. Many unwanted babies are abused and neglected, and suffer lifelong development and social issues. Many woman have babies they don't want, and can't love or care for. A few woman may come to regret thier abortion, but that shoud'nt be a reason deny a chioce to all woman.
SabrinaSilverstien 3 years ago
Welcome to the program, but we are talking about a study by a leading psychologist that was ignored by the APA. Scroll through.
chuckrg2576 3 years ago
I do have evidence to the contrary of your myth that depression and abortion is not linked in the form of a 32 year old woman I am talking to who is going through severe depression after her abortion. She has since turned pro life and is getting educated on how to help other women not make the same mistake.
chuckrg2576 3 years ago
Chuck;Who is educating her?
ECW654 3 years ago
Don't ask stupid questions, she is educating herself on her own merit.
chuckrg2576 3 years ago
Chuck;Play nice.There's no such thing as a stupid question.What tools supplement her education?
Judi1005 3 years ago
Her own self conscious and a lot of love. Also the desire to help others. That is all it takes.
chuckrg2576 3 years ago
Chuck;Wow,she has quite a few virtues for a "child-killer". I suppose you believe Tookie Williams should still be among the living.
Judi1005 3 years ago
There you go condemning again for your own gain. I have no Idea who Tookie williams is, but just Googled it and found he was a leader of some gang. What the hell does that have to do with the killing if innocent children? You grasping at straws now? She does have a lot of good virtues, because she learned the truth and is helping others. The lies you spread are the focus of this topic, not some gang member.
chuckrg2576 3 years ago
Chuck;Tookie Williams was a gang leader who killed 4 unarmed people and wound up in San Quentin.Later on,he renounced his former activities and wrote books intended to dissuade young people from joining gangs.He was executed in December,2005.Perhaps other references would be more appropriate here.Suppose Andrea Yates or Susan Smith(both mothers convicted of killing their children)apologized and made efforts to discourage others from doing what they did.Should they be released from jail?
Judi1005 3 years ago
MELBOURNE, August 20, 2008 A 24 year old Australian woman's death has been blamed on her use of oral contraceptive pills, which she was taking them as part of her acne treatment.Tanya Hayes died on Monday from a pulmonary embolism - a blood clot in her lungs.
Having ignored symptoms, including "breathlessness" and "a nasty, hard cough" for about two weeks, she collapsed on Sunday night in a parking lot and was rushed to Angliss Hospital in Melbourne were she died five hours later.
prolifeinternational 3 years ago
Pavone is trouble with Rome. His order has been suppressed. What's going on? Is he going to end up like his fellow ENTJ, the suspended Fr. Nicholas Gruner?
damienvargas 3 years ago
A New Zealand researcher who is one of the world's leading experts on the kind of mental health problems women face after an abortion says thenew report from the American Psychological Association denying any link flies in the face of the best studies. Dr. David Fergusson conducted a seminal study in January 2006 that found women who have abortions are more likely to become severely depressed.
prolifeinternational 3 years ago
Chuck;I can see where Psalm 139 lines up with your beliefs.For me,however, this psalm is a work of art,a song of praise and thanksgiving from the composer to God.I don't interpret it as an edict from a Divine source on how to conduct ourselves.I went to Catholic school, and my son goes to a Baptist school. I'm no stranger to scripture.Thank goodness for freedom of religion:)
Judi1005 3 years ago
Jill Stanek was a nurse at Christ Hospital in Oak Lawn, Illinois in 1999 when she discovered that babies born alive after failed abortions purposely were being left to die in the "soiled utility room," which, says Stanek, is a room where biohazard materials and soiled linens are disposed of.
"That's where nursing staff took these babies and left them to die."
Stanek went public with her traumatizing experiences when hospital staff refused to stop the practice of infanticide.
prolifeinternational 3 years ago
n most United States,24 abortions are carried out for every 100 live births. In New York, 72 occur for every 100 live births.The easy availability of abortion may be the reason behind the city's high abortion rate.
Surgical abortion always carries risks, though slight, of complications—including ones that can tear or scar the uterus and compromise a woman's ability to have healthy children in the future,Dr. Hoskins says.There is an ongoing debate about the emotional consequences of abortion.
prolifeinternational 3 years ago
I think if we passed a law making the abortion of a fetus illegal unless a valid reason can be givin than we could stop allot of needless suffering though 95% of abortions happen before the 12 week, I merely think it wrong to "underage" picture of fetuses and embreyos, I also know that getting a photo of a miscairage IS NOT impossible acually quite easy , I just feel it's wrong to address anything over 10 weeks as the norm when it's not.
Dothia 3 years ago
cont..Every time I look at Phoebe, I know I made the right decision. I never wanted to end my baby's life just because of how she came to be." [Daily Mail, 9 August]
prolifeinternational 3 years ago
A rape victim has spoken of her love she has for the child whom she was urged to abort. Miss Elizabeth Cameron, 19, of southern England, was allegedly raped by three men when she was 16. Her father arranged for an abortion and other people also tried to persuade her to have a termination. Her mother opposed an abortion and, when Miss Cameron saw her daughter on a scan, she became emotionally attached to her. She says: "I don't regret [keeping the child] for a moment...cont
prolifeinternational 3 years ago
The pro life movement in 2008 is not exclusivly against non-abortive contraception. Don't believe the lies.
chuckrg2576 3 years ago
I said 4 since yesterday, and I am 31 and have been studying this since I was 7 and 1st herd of abortion through a television movie. I would not stop asking til I got answers and I have lost count of how many children have their lives because of my interventions. and the interventions of many others like me. This was before the internet.
chuckrg2576 3 years ago
I do not believe you are educated enough to give the right advise if your view is pro-choice. If I were you I would look at the pro life standpoint and weigh the options. When you see the development stages of a child in the womb and see that child laying in front of you burned and torn apart, you will know the truth.
chuckrg2576 3 years ago
Yes my messages have been deleted. They were on there because I refreshed and saw them, then later were missing. I know the prolife guy is bickering also but he is spending too much time with someone that just don't care, and he could be spending it elsewhere. I personally have talked 4 women out of abortions and have given contact information in their state for assistance, as well as my home number for support. All after I gave JUDI the heave-ho. So he is wasting time.
chuckrg2576 3 years ago
chuck Re "Yes my messages have been deleted." In the few months that I`ve been subscribing to youtube I`m unaware of any messages being deleted from Father Pavone`s videos.Sometimes the order they appear in changes but they can usually be found if you start back from the begining and scroll through.Some video maker`s do delete messages that they don`t agree with/approve of,which is a great shame,but not Father Pavone.
prolifeinternational 3 years ago
One in particular was deleted, and I was sent a message from father pravones assistant with the explanation as to why. I do not wish to get into the reasoning, but just moving on from the chaos of J and her craziness. I found I was wasting time on a person that didn't deserve it, and that my time was better spent elsewhere. She is just the type that is looking for an arguement, and if ignored will go away. My advice, leave her b and focus on those that really need help.
chuckrg2576 3 years ago
Look, If my opinions are only going to be deleted, I am done with this thing. All that prolife's and judi's opinions and bickering back and forth are doing is looking like a war or the whitless. The pro life guy is getting pulled into an arguement that if left alone would be over with on here, to the person operating this in my opinion Judi should be blocked from sending comments because they are narrow minded in nature and just plain ignorant. Yall have a good 1. replys will be deleted at once.
chuckrg2576 3 years ago
I don't think you opinions are getting deleted sometimes of you make more than 7 comment in an hour they won't allow you to post for an hour, I think I'm right but not completely shore , It's realy not fair to take off Judi and not prolifeinternational either, they are BOTH bickering.
Dothia 3 years ago
Really Judi thankyou, my doctor was talking about a plastic one I ask about and she said that they all aborted , I wonder why ? I have adviously bee incurrect thankyou Judi and my apologies chuck.
Dothia 3 years ago
I figured it out there are different kind of IUD's they don't all do the same thing.
Dothia 3 years ago
prolifeinternational: Answer, Because abortionists do not want their patients to know the truth about abortion. The only thing they see in their patients is $ signs.How many women would go through with it if they were told they were aborting a healthy baby girl or boy? They want to hide the truth and that is where we come in, to expose them for what they really are. Just cold blooded killers.
chuckrg2576 3 years ago
And I do have to correct myself on one of my stats, I said there are 1.35 million abortions preformed every year, it is actually 1.35 BILLION! I guess it was staring me right in the face but my mind just couldn't believe it. It is staggering to think of the great number of lives lost per year in sacrifice of other womens sexual pleasures. SLUTS OF THE WORLD, No wonder yall want a "CHOICE"!
chuckrg2576 3 years ago
chuck For the USA it`s currently around 1.35 million a year..UK 200,000..For the entire world estimates are in the region 45 million per year..It is simply not right to brand women as "sluts"..Many women find thenselves in a highly vulnerable position after becoming unexpectedly pregnant..So in order to protect them from becoming prey to abortionists we must all,including of course the childs father,do our utmost to provide them with all the care,support,and compassion needed to save the child.
prolifeinternational 3 years ago
OH THANK GOD, I was just browsing around and must have ran into a misprint. I tell ya I almost fainted at the thought of a number that high even though 1 is too many. Do you know what the global yearly is.
chuckrg2576 3 years ago
The estimated global yearly is 45,000,000..(legal and illegal combined)
prolifeinternational 3 years ago
You are right, it was unfair of me to say such insulting things. I do apologize. I just get so frustrated when women are faced with facts and science that they still do not wish to believe it is a child that is being killed. I am a new member of the right to life foundation. I am still in training course 2 of 5 so it will be a while before I can participate in an actual rescue. Hopefully by then I can get my emotions in check.Thank you for bringing me back to what matters.
chuckrg2576 3 years ago
chuck. Thanks,that means a lot. Good luck with your course! I`ve been arguing/debating for several weeks on another message site with an ardent pro abortionist. Yesterday even she included the following in one of her responses ..Quote; "While pregnant, on the other hand ... all sorts of wacky things happen to a woman's hormones and chemistry as a result of the pregnancy". We must never forget this as it can hugely INCREASE vulnerability and DECREASE the usual ability to make rational decisions.
prolifeinternational 3 years ago
So true, but I still do not understand why it has to be so hard just to get people to find the line between right and wrong. I actually had a woman leave me a message that said she had 3 kids and just had an abortion because the cost of another child wouldn't fit into their budget, she then stated she wasn't a bad mother for having it and ended the conversation by saying "GOD BLESS". Does she even have a bible? I don't know but if she does she hasn't really studied it.(CONT)
chuckrg2576 3 years ago
chuck..Whilst we are all of course conceived and born as unique people,our individual upbring and experiences are unique too..Many people use Christian and biblically based terminology in everyday life without meaning it literally..maybe they were believers at one time..maybe their parents were but they weren`t..who knows? Unfortunately the distinction between right and wrong has been blurred by the legality and liberalisation of abortion coupled with all the pro abortion propaganda...cont
prolifeinternational 3 years ago
chuck. cont.. I think it`s the duty of prolifers to speak the truth at all times and expose the lies of the pro abortion rhetoric by raising awareness as to the very real horrors of abortion and the destructive effects it has,not just on women and children,but the whole of humanity. Many people have the opinion,for example,that the aborted children are just an inditinguishable lump of jelly like cells. It is essential that we help them,without judgement,to recognise that this is simply not true.
prolifeinternational 3 years ago
I know that and so do you, but the only way to convince them is if they see it for themselves. I have been told that the images in my videos are faked, or that they can't see abortionists preforming an abortion on women in their 2nd or 3rd trimester, when the truth is they do it every day."PRO_CHOICERS" just don't want to see that it is real, or don't want it to be true so that it makes it easier on themselves living in a state of denial.I wish I could go through life oblivious to reality.
chuckrg2576 3 years ago
chuck. Re "I have been told that the images in my videos are faked," I`ve not yet seen your videos but I wouldn`t be the least concerned that some people accuse you of showing fakes..(username juid1050 does that to Father Pavone quite frequently,but her "job" is dependent on women getting abortions!) The really important thing is that the images are there for the uneducated and doubters to see,not the hard core pro choicers and pro abortionists who have to resort to lies when promoting abortion.
prolifeinternational 3 years ago
"The really important thing is that the images are for the Uneducated and doudters to see", How very nice I've got to write that one down. We'll girls like me will always be here to educate people. So that these videos cannot pray on the uneducated. I think it's time to blow the wissal on " false dating" of embreyos and fetuses on these videos. To chuck none of it appears fake, it justs seems that some of them where miscairages and not abortions, none of the usual methods anyways.
Dothia 3 years ago
Dothia Re "it justs seems that some of them where miscairages and not abortions," Late term miscarriages are extremely rare. Btw I very frequently get told that aborted children are just "a clump of cells". So whilst the images of aborted children are not pleasant to see,it is important that those people realise that their opinion is simply not true.
prolifeinternational 3 years ago
Dothia, I appreciate that you are trtying to protect me from fraudulant views, but I am the type also that is not easily swayed. I had my doubts at first as to if thease are creditable images or not,and found that they are in fact real photos, and some as recent as 4 months ago.Even if you think a 3rd trimester abortion is a rare occasion,A 3rd trimester child has all of the nenve endings that a 12 week or last week of a 1st trimester child has.cont
chuckrg2576 3 years ago
And even if it is a rare occurance, how rare is acceptable? 25%, 12% maybe only 5% well 5% of 1.35 milliopn is 51,750 a year witch is 142 a day. That is not rare to me at all. None of us want to cloud facts, we only want the skeptical to see what the truth is, and we are out to save children. we have no wishes to harm anyone, just to save lives.
chuckrg2576 3 years ago
But I can't, my moral ethics forbid it, so I will just keep on one person at a time. Did you know that here in Ohio and other states there are child drop off sites designated to those who feel they cannot take on the responsability of a child? All they have to do is drop them off and leave, no name, no number, just leave, and the child lives. Why do they need to be killed? there are programs to help with food, shelter, clothing, there is no reason to kill. It is not the answer.
chuckrg2576 3 years ago
chuck Re "But I can't, my moral ethics forbid it, so I will just keep on one person at a time." What do your ethics forbid?
prolifeinternational 3 years ago
Forbid me to go through life in a state of denial, nor to turn my back on those in need. That is what my ethics will not let me do. I have a moral obligation as I see it and as we all do, to help anyone in need of direction. It is by no means a product of how I was raised, or a testiment to my parents showing me the right path. I had to figure this out on my own. It is a good feeling to know you made a difference in anothers life. everyone should know that feeling.
chuckrg2576 3 years ago
chuck Re " Why do they need to be killed? " The fact is they DON`T need to be killed.. EVER! And this is precisely the message we need to get out there. To have credibility I personally believe that,regardless of our own personal motivation and beliefs,we must try try to communicate with as many people as possible,totally regardless of their race,religion,gender,and politics etc. Abortion affects absolutely everyone and the more neutral we can be the more people we might potentially reach.
prolifeinternational 3 years ago
Otherwise she would know that in PSALM 139,12-16 it clearly states that a child is a gift from God and that it is to be a blessing, and that all of the days of our live were recorded in his book before any of them ever began. It also says that even while we are growing in our mothers womb, God is with us, and knows we are there."Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect" "For thou has covered me in my mothers womb"How can a person say GOD BLESS and then defy God? It's a mystery to me.
chuckrg2576 3 years ago
That religious arguement alone should fall under the commandment "THOU SHALL NOT KILL" and after all, isn't our judicial system founded on the basis of religion? There really is no seperation of church and state. The church is in the courtroom. Thou shall not steal, kill, covet thy neighbors wife and so on. Can't there be a legal arguement for that?
chuckrg2576 3 years ago
I meant 100% of men will be able to sire thier own childre. Sorry
Dothia 3 years ago
Here's an idea, how about forced Tubal Ligation. After all, it is reversable, and it is the women that are killing children, There, problem solved.
chuckrg2576 3 years ago
I answered this question on page 3. Titled: Visectomy vs Tubal Ligation \ first chaptor, Visectomies vs Tubial Ligation PartII/ second chaptor, VvsT PartIII,/ third chaptor. Thankyou for the information on free baby sitting , my friend is calling them.
Dothia 3 years ago
your welcome, but I still think this is a crazy argument. If it will end abortion I am all for it, but how many guys do you know that will actually have the process reversed? We are talking a very small percentage and possibly the end of mankind. Here is my opinion, If you don't want the risk of a baby, just don't have sex. That is the real answer.Sex is not recreational, it's soul purpose is to create life. That is it's design. That WILL END ABORTION,and I am talking men and women alike.
chuckrg2576 3 years ago
Thankfully having a reverse operation isn't neccessary, they can "tap" the sperm using a catheter and needle, I'm not shore but that's how my friend's mom got pregnant, with her second child. I agree about sex , when your young and unmarried or niether one of you want children for a very long time, wether your married or not one partner needs to be sterelized or just don't have sex, or use a condom.
Dothia 3 years ago
You do know the mass produce condoms by the millions right?/ and there is an insert my wife is on called an I.U.D.,and of course the pill and several other contraceptives. People have to use them in order for them to work though. There are even government programs that supply them for free and many are covered by most insureance. People need to take full advantage of them and we wouldn't have a problem.
chuckrg2576 3 years ago
Personally Interuterus Devices make me nervous they can cause overian cysts, which are extrememly painful, I would never recomend them , but to each thier own, my partner was wearing a condom, it broke and that's how I became pregnant, Inter untarian devices do NOT stop fertilization of the egg but merely stop it from inplantation into the uterus, I don't mean to upset you,but ALL internal female contriceptives are forms of abortion.
Dothia 3 years ago
Do;The copper in the Paraguard IUD affects the unfertilized eggs so that they become inviable and unlikely to be fertilized. The hormones in the Mirena IUD suppress ovulation. You may not like IUD's for personal reasons,but they are not abortifacient.
Judi1005 3 years ago
My wife is on the Mirena IUD but one word of warning, there is a chance of an allergic reaction. If that occurs there is the 3 month depo that offers the same results, but the IUD lasts for up to 5 years with annual check ups. Every 3 or so monthe the first year to pinpoint complications, but after that annual, so it is more convienent.
chuckrg2576 3 years ago
Visectomies make anti- abortion sence, tubial ligation will merely cause more abortion in a desperit attemp to save the mothers lives. 100% percent of woman will be able to steal sire thier own children only 20%of wamon will be able to gestate. So vasectomies are family friendly, safer and cause no deaths, "pro-lifers" find this important. Por-life mean pro-vasectomies, becuase they work and will reduce abortions by 99.8 percent.
Dothia 3 years ago 2
VvsTPartIII longterm health issues such as ovarien cyst have occured. Many woman also suffer from bladder injury, bleeding from major blood vessels, burning of the bowls,permanent pain during intercourse, cervical cancer arraised 3.5 times higher. Fact:1. 37% of sterilized woman willhave long term complications.2. O% percent of men will have long term complications from sterilaztion.After reversal 64% of woman have tubal pregnancies, causingmore abortion inan atemp to savethe mothers life.
Dothia 3 years ago 2
Vasctomy vs Tubial Ligation Part II : Vasctomies are more likely to get Goverment assistance and could even be given for free. Vassectmoies are simpler,safer,cheaper, and takes less time to recover from the tubal ligation.
Fact: If a man gets a vasectomy, friday afternoon and he follows all his doctors instructions hell be back to work fealing almost nothing by monday. Long term studies have never reported any negative affectsof vasectomy, unlike tubial ligation, long term health
Dothia 3 years ago 2
Visectomy vs Tubial Ligation:
Fact: Because a vasectomy is safer and less complicted than tubal ligation, most physicians recommend male rather than female sterializtion. The vasectomy is a simple office procedure,which takes ten minutes under a simple anesthetic. Most men admit it is less painful than a trp to the dentists office. Facts:
1. Fatalities per 100,000 : tubal ligation=3.51% Vasectomy= 0
2. Approximate cost tubal ligation $2,500 vacestomy= 750-850=
Dothia 3 years ago 2
These three articles where merely to add prospest, showing the reproductive encroachment can happen to either sex. Maybe it will help men to further understand are feelings when a womans reproductive rights are trampled upon. Imagin a world where forced visectomy is a norm horrible for men right ? Well a world where abortion is illegal is about 100 times more horrible for woman. Like I said I beleive in reproductive freedom for both sexes. These articles are for prospective only.
Dothia 3 years ago
This is not adressed to anyone but, merely an oversite of my beliefs, I beleive that everyone should be allowed to make thier own reproductive chioces I dont beleive that men should be forced to have visectomies, and I beleive that abortion should stay safe and legal up to six weeks. I have a deep respect for sentinent life and am a vegan. I'm an for a mans right to choose sterelization and a womans right to choose abortion. No one should be forced to have a visectomy or a baby.
Dothia 3 years ago
Adoption is will not stop abortion, as long as woman become pregnant thier will be abortions wether they are legal or not, The only way to stop the abortion is to prevent the pregnancy, why not the 77% of anti-abortionist men have a 20 minute procedure that will stop the pregnancy affectively stopping the abortion, if she can't get pregnant then she can't get an abortion simple.
Dothia 3 years ago
I have been so wrapped up in these debates that I have been neglecting my own sons and my family, It is obvious that everyone is going to have their own stubborn thoughts reguardless of facts or reason so I am taking a few days off of replying to comments to spend time with my family. I will let my video comments speak for me in my absence. To those fighting the good fight, Please pray for the children,and that their mothers make the right choice,The choice of life.
chuckrg2576 3 years ago
PartIII If the woman cannot become pregnant the she cannot have an abortion. Visectomies are a simple procedure and in thefuture if the man wishes to have a family a simple reversal sperm collection procedure can be performed. Unlike historectomies and other interunterian devices an invasize surgery is not required. I just thought this is an interesting point of veiw for the 77% of anti-abortionists men. By passing a simple visectomy law you cancut down on abortion by99.08 %
Dothia 3 years ago 2
If all men in the United States where visectimized, than for every 100,000,000(statistics form the CDC) abortions that accur a year, only 10 of those woman woman would become pregnant . Greatly reducing the numbers of abortions if not eliminating them all together. Chances of becoming pregnant by a visectamized man are 0.1%. Reversal are 65% successful, 100% can donor. The rate of accidental pregnancies in the U.S.A alone will be reduced to 0.1 %.
Dothia 3 years ago
Visectomey Law or Prop ? : The only realistic way of stopping abortions in the United States would be the passing of a prop or law requiring all men to be visectamized. Making abortion illegal or hader to abtain will only make illegal abortion more prolific, statistics show that woman in countries where abortion is illegal are just as likely to get abortions as woman in countries where it is legal. Thier are many easy to use cheap natural alternatrives to surgical abortion,
Dothia 3 years ago
Equal Rights : equal responsability, burdern, accountability, punishment, wage, treatment, and emotional equality.
Dothia 3 years ago
Both the man and the woman concieved 50% , 50% it takes both, but unfortinately in todays society we hardly ever hold the man accountable for his actions, but yet 77% of anti-abortionists are men. Doesn't really make any sense , this type of thinking is nothing but rash sexism and ignorence, or an excuse to remove blaim from one's own sex. We tend to forget if the man did'nt get the woman pregnant than abortions could'nt happen, becuase no one would get pregnant.
Dothia 3 years ago
by that reason wouldn't it stand true that men are accountable? 77% of the pro life movement is male , so by that wouldn't you find them to be accountable fathers should they find their partner pregnant?And what of those who wanted their children but selfish and evil women said "NO, I'D RATHER KILL IT THAN GIVE IT TO YOU".Equal rights means equal say.
chuckrg2576 3 years ago
If they are not themselves considered evil for empregnating the woman , by embregnating the woman they caused the abortion to happen wether they wanted to or not, but you take accountabiliy of the abortion by your opinion, if you can not hold then just as accountable for the abortion as the woman who had it then where does thier deserved opinion come in here ? Equal rights also means equal responsability.
Dothia 3 years ago
No There are 1.35 million abortions a year, less than 1% are due to rape or medical problems. The other 99% are due to women having consentual sex, finding out they are pregnant, then having "CONVIENENCE ABORTIONS" that is where they want the sex that leads to the baby, they just would rather kill the kid and keep on screwing rather that take responsibility for what they knew was coming. NEXT
chuckrg2576 3 years ago
How does this make the man who had casual sex with the woman any less responsable for her pregnantcy ?
Dothia 3 years ago
Cause many women hide the abortion and the man was never told or had a say, 50/50 right.
chuckrg2576 3 years ago
He is steal just as responsable for the pregnauncy and abortion as the woman is wether he knew or not he complied to sex and knowingly took the risk of embregnating her and causing an abortion. Remenber it takes a man and a woman to make an unplanned pregnauncy if he didn't have sex with her then she wouldn't get pregnaunt,but men do this anyways , isn't that the least bit selfish or evil to you?
Dothia 3 years ago
even I have the occasional typo, but please learn how to spell, and you are delusional.
chuckrg2576 3 years ago
I'm not delusional, this is taken fron actual research and statistics , it can be a posibility and easily eachieved. You are probably referring to me having to "pull together" my words in order to make character count, and how pathetic anyways can't you come up with anything better than my spelling. Not that I agree with taking peoples reproductive rights away, you apparently didin't like the idea of YOUR reproductive freedom being taken away from you so why would you want to take it from me.
Dothia 3 years ago
Never said a thing about taking your reproductive freedom, your arguement is lame, The killing of a child has nothing to do with your ability to reproduce. It has to do with the murder of innocent children. Why don't you watch both of my video responses and save your arguement for someone of lesser intelligence
chuckrg2576 3 years ago
Gestating is a reproductive right, the chioce to terminate a geatational period is also a reproductive right , abortion is all about reproduction it is impossible for it NOT to be. For a matter of fact it isn't even an argument to wether abortion is a reproductive chioce but simply a fact. So my argument is is actually not an argument but a statement and fact.
Dothia 3 years ago
Read my three paragraphs on the visectomy law I think It offers a good prospective and alternative to abortion.
Dothia 3 years ago
I don't think so because if every man had a vesectomy, it would lead to the extinction of the human race, try again.
chuckrg2576 3 years ago
You missed the part where I said a simple reversal and collection can be performed so extinction of the human race is not even an issue our a problem. 65% of men will be fully fertial after a reversal.
Dothia 3 years ago
and some of those that want children won't be able to. there are plenty of mothers that want children that have to turn over seas to China or Rawanda, why can't the answer be adoption? Or how about an abstonence law til marriage, that way anyone having sex out of wedlock will be arrested. Isn't that just as crazy? But can't argue that both options will work.
chuckrg2576 3 years ago
Generally these are 2 rate families whom weren't considered good enough by any prospective mothers, I'm not saying thier bad parents or anything, just not TOP flight. This shows how good you must be to adopt in the United States and how secure woman can feal who choose this chioce, I want them to always be able to choose the BEST for thier child.
Dothia 3 years ago
And I am sure the rest of the sanitarium will agree with you but the level minded will not, now if you will excuse me, I have to go kiss my son and tell him I love him.
chuckrg2576 3 years ago
If men cannot be held accountable for thier actions than why they deserves for thier opinions to be ? This type of thinking makes abortion no longer a mans issue and entirely a womans issues.
Dothia 3 years ago
I am a man and I have issue with it. NEXT
chuckrg2576 3 years ago
What State do you live in we certainly do not have these luxuries in California, my rent was $1500 for a 1 bedroom apartment, and in Los Angelos that's cheap. Free childcare is provided by the public school system ( a very good thing), but I was going to a private school at the time. So free child care was not a possibiliy.
Dothia 3 years ago
I live in Ohio and The government founded DEPARTMENT OF JOB AND FAMILY SERVICES do offer these programs in LOS ANGELES CALIFORNIA here is the contact information
Louise Grasmehr or Stu Riskin
DCFS Office of Public Affairs
(213) 351-5886
chuckrg2576 3 years ago
Thankyou, very much I will be passing this information on to many friend who Im shore will use it. I was merely stating that you forgot to slander the man as well a more fair statement might have been," woman who get abortions are whores and the men who get them pregnant are gigolos," though I don't beleive this ,but the statement would be far more fair.
Dothia 3 years ago
Well, I do not condone a man that takes off on his family neither. That is a deadbeat. The only difference is that a man cannon concieve a child in his womb and abort it just because he doesn't want to have it. If we could I would be all over them too. This is not a sexist thing, it is a moral thing.
chuckrg2576 3 years ago
So that means men really should'nt have a say in abortion either if they cannot hold themselves accountable.
Dothia 3 years ago
I never said that,and I am an accountable male. My children live with me, and women cannot concieve without men so I believe men should have a say in if they want their child torn to bits by machines or burned to death by saline. I believe women should not be selfish in that aspect acting like they are the only ones effected and that it is all their decision.
chuckrg2576 3 years ago
Dothia..I think you`ve been treated rather harshly especially for one so young,and at a time when you were particularly vulnerable...If you ever get unexpectedly pregnant again please don`t hesitate to let me know and I`ll do my very best to help,in anway I can,and also put you in touch with any locally available resources so that you`ll be able to get all the necessary care and support you might need.
prolifeinternational 3 years ago
Thankyou for your consideration.
Dothia 3 years ago
Dothia..You`re very welcome!
prolifeinternational 3 years ago
I wasn't on easy streat anymore the pragnuancy was wearing me thin. The pregnauncy terminated it's self 2 days before my set abortion date. It was than I realized how responsable motherhood worked. I would NEVER have been able to support a child, thankfully I was aloud to come back home and quite my jobs until I was 18 and got kicked out again , I hold a 5.0 thanks to my parents teaching me responsability . I made a smart chioce by seeking to end the gestation. If it had not ended naturally.
Dothia 3 years ago
If I was her mother she would be out of my house. I would refuse to support her in any way financialy , to teach her responsability. She is 16 and gestating for the 2 time if somebody doesn't do something doon than this may get out of control. Kicking me out of the house was the first thing my parents didi when they found out I was pregnaunt , I wasn't going to get an abortion, until I had to work 2 night jobs and go to highschool I only got 2 hours of sleep.
Dothia 3 years ago
My niece does have a job and is responsible for taking care of the financial needs of her children, she is also a full time student with a 4.2 GPA. In the beginning we were all outraged that she became a mother so early in life, but in the end it came down to the needs of the unborn child. She should not have to pay for her mothers mistakes, There are other options available for mothers that need help,including housing, and food. and it doesn't have to mean you future is ruined.
chuckrg2576 3 years ago
Which includes paying for rent and a baby sitter. It's very good she has a job, and is responsible for some of the needs of these children.
Dothia 3 years ago
Yes it includes low income housing on a sliding scale, I have heard of rent as low as $35 a month for a 2 bedroom, and Free child care and is available to anyone who needs it.
chuckrg2576 3 years ago
Taking on the burdens of raising a child should be the woman's chioce, and NO one elses. If your niece isn't responsible or educated enough to use birth control, than why is she responsable enough or educated enough to raise 2 children No doubt she is steal living with her mother and her mother is propably taking most of the responsability.
Dothia 3 years ago
CDC
Dothia 3 years ago
Keeping an Infant: I wish every mother wishing to keep her infant could, but the harsh reality is that many woman seeking to keep thier infants simply cannot . They may even lack, domestic structure,envirement, and finances. Many woman whom give thier children up for adoption are seeking the best for them and the best for their infant is not them. So they make the painful chioce of adapting out the infant, that they themselves cannot keep.
Dothia 3 years ago
Then you have just agreed with me that adoption is a good alternative for those who cannot provide for their children? thank you for seeing the light.
chuckrg2576 3 years ago
Abortions will ensure quality homes for infants because if thier is less infants than couples wishing to adopt them , than this alone will ensure quality homes. When mothers can be picky and fickle about adoptors then only the best will be able to adopt. If abortion is stopped than, that balance may be changed and woman will be forced to place infants out of shear desperation, and not based on the quality of the adoptors, which will result in a dromatic drop in the quality of available homes.
Dothia 3 years ago
These infants grow to be adults and live their own lives, you are telling me that an infant who grew up in foster care or an orphanage is worse off than a child that grew up in a structured home? Have you seen the news lately? Why would anyone deny life on that arguement? and why don't women just step up and be a mother? My 16 year old niece is pregnant with her 2nd child. I blame her mother for not educating her on birth control, but I have a happy healthy and loved great niece.
chuckrg2576 3 years ago
Homes where abuse happens are not structured , but that's a given. Many Many children growing up in foster and orphanages are abused more so them children born into a married situation , though you may not see ot on the new they are in general more orphans and foster children are 78% more likely to be abused. Being a mother is a chioce, not to be forced upon anyone. Your niece made a CHIOCE one that woman like myself are trying to protect.
Dothia 3 years ago
and the child coming will get the same. She is finishing high school by use of the programs available for younger moms and plans to go to collage to be an anesthesiologist.There is hope to those who don't give up.
chuckrg2576 3 years ago
Is yourniece required to work inorder to support herself ? Isyour niece in a situation by which her pregnancy cancuase her to loose the onlyjob thatputs food in her mouth and pays the rent ? Is she currently in college , with NO family support financially of any kind ? Probably not and I doudt she has to rely on herself to support herself. I have to do all of that at 18 years of age, any pregtnauncies would have to be terminated forme to keep upmy life, becuase gestation is physicaly draining.
Dothia 3 years ago