I still have my 1953 Coronation Crown. A lovely, chunky coin. When I was a boy, a Matchbox toy cost 10d - ten old pennies, and you could get four Black-boy chewy sweets for a penny. School dinners were 5 bob a week, and your weekly Savings Stamp with a picture of Princess Anne on each one was 6d - a tanner. The richer kids had the Prince Charles ones, which cost half-a-crown.
@silver760 The groat wasn't around in Victorian times--that's more Elizabethan. It's five old pence...and I mean ANCIENT pence . And none of these other coins got a mention in the Alastair Sim version of Scrooge.
Decimalisation was State organised theivery, a form of robbery. Australia and New Zealand at least based their new "Dollar" when they went decimal on Ten Shillings - 120 old pennies = 100 new cents. We lost 140 pennies - ober half the value of the pound! Robbery!
But what about tanners and florins and farthings, let alone the three penny bits I grew up with? For you youngsters, there were 960 farthings in a pound, 40 tanners [6 penny pieces] and 10 florins, or 'two-bobs'. It wasn't complicated at all if you grew up with it. Oh, and I nearly forgot, 'posh people like private doctors, dentists or solicitors for example charges their fees in guinneas, one guinnea being 21 shillings. Happy days...
The old pre-decimal system of coinage is completely baffling and illogical to a 42 year old like me. I have always struggled with maths, it's a good job I wasn't born before 1967. What did inummerate people do before then? It's not our fault!
It's a shame they changed it. It might have seemed like a stupid over complicated system, but that's what the British do best. Just look at the House of Lords or cricket. I think we only kept £/s/d as long as we did to confuse foreigners. It did make people better at mental arithmatic.
I totally agree, harryj79! Decimal currency is a dumbed-down, finger-counting system for stupid people who can't do mental arithmetic! I think we've definitely got a lot stupider since 1971, and decimalisation (and metrication) is partly responsible for that. However, the old £sd system, had it continued beyond 1971, would eventually have been rendered obsolete anyway by the huge increase in inflation that's taken place since then. A shilling would today be completely worthless- thus pointless!
LOL, I can remember feeling so proud of myself when I had learned to count money. Mum would let me go down to the shops for something small like picking up a loaf. Imagine how defeated I felt when teacher explained that I'd have to forget all of that and re-learn it in new money. Still, it wasn't as difficult as I had thought. It's hard to believe that it's almost gone forty years since all of that happened.
Bit about the letter "h" being seldom pronounced in London, but "everywhere else" in England? Wrong.
Nobody in Nottingham or Derby, if you speak the local dialect, pronounces "h" or often "g".
Example of how we speak in Nottingham: "Am goin to the shops, 'n then i might skip tekkin the dog for a walk cos me 'at might blow off me 'ed in't wind"
Still, after all this time have not had anyone fully & satisfactorily explain that how, on 14/02/71 there were 240 pennies in a pound - x24 hours later that had been shrunk to 100 !!!
Oh & please dont say it was - decimalisation - the greatest rip-off EVER in government monetery policy. :-(
Search on Wikipedia for the old systems of weights, measures and money used in Europe and you'll find out that non-decimal systems don't make Britain different but lagging behind
Using '10' as a base is very inefficient because it is not readily divisible. Why should we be forced to use it just because our ancient ancestors used their fingers to count. The world is now much more complex - hence your PC (or mac) uses 2-4-8-16-32-64-256...etc. (not 1-10-100..).
Imperial measurements and Lsd currency served us well for a very long time. If it ain't broken - don't fix it !
16 ounces in a pound but 14 pounds in a stone, 12 inches in a foot, 3 feet in a yard, 1,760 yards in a mile, 12 pence in a shilling, 20 shillings in a pound.
Guineas would probably confuse you even more. A guinea was 21 shillings. So a really expensive designer dress might be sold for 79.5 guineas giving the impression that it was less than 80 pounds, whereas in fact it was 83 pounds 9 shillings and 6 pence.
I still have my 1953 Coronation Crown. A lovely, chunky coin. When I was a boy, a Matchbox toy cost 10d - ten old pennies, and you could get four Black-boy chewy sweets for a penny. School dinners were 5 bob a week, and your weekly Savings Stamp with a picture of Princess Anne on each one was 6d - a tanner. The richer kids had the Prince Charles ones, which cost half-a-crown.
Muteswan1 9 months ago
My Dad still refers to decimalised currency as, 'mickey mouse money.'
JFredUK 9 months ago
GREAT VIDEO!
(as long as I'm not tested on it.)
FSTOPDR 11 months ago
my grandma and grandad still call 20p pieces sixpences and stuff like that and say thrupence
MrOregona230 1 year ago
Decimalisation took over When Heath lied to the nation concerning membership of the EEC
750triton 1 year ago
You left out the farthing,groat,guineas,florins,thruppence,sixpence,half sovereign and sovereign to name a few others that were around.
silver760 1 year ago
@silver760 The groat wasn't around in Victorian times--that's more Elizabethan. It's five old pence...and I mean ANCIENT pence . And none of these other coins got a mention in the Alastair Sim version of Scrooge.
crashreboot 1 year ago 2
This video would be complete if it mentioned the guinea.
1 guinea = 1 pound and one shilling (21 shillings). Horses are bought in guineas.
TheWelshGirly 1 year ago
Being a stupid American I've always wondered about this.Thanks for the lesson.
MaceMn 1 year ago 2
Decimalisation was State organised theivery, a form of robbery. Australia and New Zealand at least based their new "Dollar" when they went decimal on Ten Shillings - 120 old pennies = 100 new cents. We lost 140 pennies - ober half the value of the pound! Robbery!
godisliberty 1 year ago
But what about tanners and florins and farthings, let alone the three penny bits I grew up with? For you youngsters, there were 960 farthings in a pound, 40 tanners [6 penny pieces] and 10 florins, or 'two-bobs'. It wasn't complicated at all if you grew up with it. Oh, and I nearly forgot, 'posh people like private doctors, dentists or solicitors for example charges their fees in guinneas, one guinnea being 21 shillings. Happy days...
EelingStudios 2 years ago
The old pre-decimal system of coinage is completely baffling and illogical to a 42 year old like me. I have always struggled with maths, it's a good job I wasn't born before 1967. What did inummerate people do before then? It's not our fault!
UKSazzy67 2 years ago
You'd have learned it very easily - it would become completely natural to you. I was never great at maths either!
I was 14 yrs old in Feb. 1971 and could easily convert back without any problem 38 years on.
Ampex196 2 years ago
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philsaspiezone 2 years ago
Oh, and half pennyies and quarter pennies were made by actually cutting them in half.
AnonGemini 2 years ago
The advantage of the old system is that you can cleanly divide a pound by lots of different numbers. 1/2s, 1/3s, 1/4s
The same reason with have a 60 minute, 12 hour clock
AnonGemini 2 years ago
I wish our clocks were decimal actually!
Then 5 would be noon!
7.5 would be 6 pm.
2.5 would be 6 am.
100 minutes an hour!
10 hours a day!
1000 minutes a day!
(simple, just don't try converting!)
MiKikaIwaShizaru 2 years ago
Pound means Pound Of Silver.
240 Silver pence were made from a pound of silver.
So a silver penny (the only coin in medieval England) was 1/240th of a pound in weight.
The L.S.D comes from the Roman coins librae, solidi and denarii.
The was a gold Mark used, and I think it was 2/3 of a pound 160 pence. A half Mark would be 1/3 of a pound - 80 pence.
Marks were only ever used to show off as gifts or to apologize.
Just throwing in my tuppence.
AnonGemini 2 years ago
It's a shame they changed it. It might have seemed like a stupid over complicated system, but that's what the British do best. Just look at the House of Lords or cricket. I think we only kept £/s/d as long as we did to confuse foreigners. It did make people better at mental arithmatic.
harryj79 2 years ago
I totally agree, harryj79! Decimal currency is a dumbed-down, finger-counting system for stupid people who can't do mental arithmetic! I think we've definitely got a lot stupider since 1971, and decimalisation (and metrication) is partly responsible for that. However, the old £sd system, had it continued beyond 1971, would eventually have been rendered obsolete anyway by the huge increase in inflation that's taken place since then. A shilling would today be completely worthless- thus pointless!
disremembrance 2 years ago
LOL, I can remember feeling so proud of myself when I had learned to count money. Mum would let me go down to the shops for something small like picking up a loaf. Imagine how defeated I felt when teacher explained that I'd have to forget all of that and re-learn it in new money. Still, it wasn't as difficult as I had thought. It's hard to believe that it's almost gone forty years since all of that happened.
Kenn1965 2 years ago
don't forget the farthing and groat! and the florin!
BNCA70 3 years ago
Bit about the letter "h" being seldom pronounced in London, but "everywhere else" in England? Wrong.
Nobody in Nottingham or Derby, if you speak the local dialect, pronounces "h" or often "g".
Example of how we speak in Nottingham: "Am goin to the shops, 'n then i might skip tekkin the dog for a walk cos me 'at might blow off me 'ed in't wind"
Georgiahulse 3 years ago
Still, after all this time have not had anyone fully & satisfactorily explain that how, on 14/02/71 there were 240 pennies in a pound - x24 hours later that had been shrunk to 100 !!!
Oh & please dont say it was - decimalisation - the greatest rip-off EVER in government monetery policy. :-(
SteveCaftdunt 3 years ago
Because the new penny is worth 2.4 old pence, that's how.
guspolly 3 years ago
I couldn't have put it better myself - not without profanities anyway !
It was a ridiculous exercise to prepare us for the EU & rip us off at the same time.
Ampex196 3 years ago
Search on Wikipedia for the old systems of weights, measures and money used in Europe and you'll find out that non-decimal systems don't make Britain different but lagging behind
Vindsxtono 2 years ago
Using '10' as a base is very inefficient because it is not readily divisible. Why should we be forced to use it just because our ancient ancestors used their fingers to count. The world is now much more complex - hence your PC (or mac) uses 2-4-8-16-32-64-256...etc. (not 1-10-100..).
Imperial measurements and Lsd currency served us well for a very long time. If it ain't broken - don't fix it !
Ampex196 2 years ago
Are £sd and the imperial system purely binary?
16 ounces in a pound but 14 pounds in a stone, 12 inches in a foot, 3 feet in a yard, 1,760 yards in a mile, 12 pence in a shilling, 20 shillings in a pound.
Rather a messesimal system!
Vindsxtono 2 years ago
It would all make perfect sense had you been there at the time (which you obviously were not).
Curiously; we still talk of a car's fuel consumption in 'miles per gallon' (a gallon is 8 pints) and still buy beer in pints (568ml).
I weigh 16st 5lbs though I could not say what that is in kilos (without a calculator). And, why should I care?
Ampex196 2 years ago 2
My mother was a wages clerk in the 1960s and even to this day she can add up instantly in £ s d, carrying on 12 and 20 perfectly every time!
BaseTurnComplete 3 years ago
they should bring back the pounds shillings and pence. they got rid of it here in australia
commiepartyofwarwick 4 years ago 4
that was real money
darth19750 4 years ago
great! a fav topic of mine (I read lots of Vic Lit)
seymour333 4 years ago
i am more confused now than i was when i were ignorant
bohoki 4 years ago 7
That's why the decimalised the currency!
crashreboot 4 years ago
and what the heck is a farthing
bohoki 3 years ago
a Fartheing was a 1/4 of a penny
grahamkeithtodd 3 years ago
Guineas would probably confuse you even more. A guinea was 21 shillings. So a really expensive designer dress might be sold for 79.5 guineas giving the impression that it was less than 80 pounds, whereas in fact it was 83 pounds 9 shillings and 6 pence.
johnofbristol 3 years ago