THOMAS JEFFERSON: "I, too, have made a wee-little book from the same materials, which I call the Philosophy of Jesus; it is a paradigma of his doctrines, made by cutting the texts out of the book, and arranging them on the pages of a blank book, in a certain order of time or subject. A more beautiful or precious morsel of ethics I have never seen; it is a document in proof that I am a real Christian...disciple of the doctrines of Jesus."
@JesusJoy13 Jesus is dead, he died on a cross by the way. Sure he might have been a great guy, but if you believe in Jesus you are atheist because he was a simple human being who made a big impression on the world. Logical thinking is what brought all human succes, nothing else.
@KRUL540 Ya you would be right if he didn't beat death and rise from the grave! But HE DID BEAT DEATH! He wasn't just a great guy, HE was God in the flesh walking here on earth with people like you and I! Logical thinking points to GOD!
@JesusJoy13 You made the claim that your "god" is thee "god". Now prove it. Why should anyone believe you? No, logical thinking does not point to "god", and you saying it does doesn't mean a thing. "One Nation Under God", was adopted in the 1950's I think, and doesn't mean anything. This is not a christian nation, never has been, and never will be.
@glennheston I will simply ask one question that proves there has to be a creator! "How did we get here? Can Everything come from nothing?"
From there it comes down to Jesus as to why my God is the 1 and ONLY GOD Almighty!
Why should anyone believe me? Look around you. this beauty we take in and live amongst everyday is NOT an accident. It's God's creation speaking directly to you!
You're right, this nation isn't one nation under God. That's why Jesus came for us sinners :)
@JesusJoy13 Your question is stupid. It has been asked a million times before by millions of other stupid people, and has been answered by millions of smart people. THe trouble is, you as a stupid person were incapable of understanding the answer. Leave issues regarding science and philosophy to the people who can actually understand them. The Bible is for you. It is a children's book.
@jumpoutatree In science there is no such a thing as a stupid question. All science begins with a question, a hypothesis, and research to answer that question and test that hypothesis. Questioning is the nature of science. If you had read the Origin of the Species, you might note that even Charles Darwin questioned his own theories, and he did so to his death.
Just because he says we are not a christian nation does not mean we are not a christian nation it matters on a size of numbers the U.S. was founded by christians and there are more christians in the U.S. than musilims, buddhist, etc and Obama sucks balls!!!
it's an historical mistake that American's chosen him. He is not what he pretends to be. Why he is saying this, does anyone thinks like that. it's blunder mistake that he got office. How can he say America is muslim country?? Then Saudi should also a Christian Country as so many Christians living there.
For ignorant deniers,as free democratic country,freedom for speech & faiths,the government represents the country's affairs & laws & policy but country's people represent the nation,so far 95% of America's population are Christians then there's no need to ignore the facts,Americs & Europe are democratic free countries & proud Christian nations,if any who will try to destroy our educated & civilized free countries,they will be dragged out of these civilised countries,back to their desets & caves,
Obama was a Christian of his previous election,after he got the office then he wasn't a christian anymore,let's see what will he claim for next election and what he'll get ?.. he'll get one way ticket to his father's hell,shame on him for his lies,Obama is a liar ape,
Congress shall make no law supporting any religion above another. The United States of America cannot constitutionally be considered a (insert religion here) nation. We are a FREE nation where anyone can practice whatever religion they wish as long as it does not infringe on the rights of other citizens.
Niggers are to fucking stupid to take care of them selves, only 2.6% have IQ;s over 110, the rest have IQ's at or below 85. Niggers act tike retards because they are. EeeeeeeK EeeeeeK. One day the whites will slave your ass AGAIN and make you work, Lazy Fat Nigger Bitches God made you to be slaves.
Any of you idiots who claim that the US was founded on Christianity needs to learn now to read a history book. Thomas Jefferson, for example, was a deist, and believed that the Xtian god was full of shit.
Hitler possessed his own brand of Catholicism, which many will argue isn't what it is. He attended weddings at Catholic churches, spoke of 'divine providence', and stated his beliefs clearly in his book.
@chinopisces Finally! Someone else has read something other than the bible! Thank you for stating this because so many people have believed the lie that the church has spread for the last 70 years that Hitler was an atheist. He was a Roman Catholic!
@glennheston: The other day someone told me that the bible is the only book they've read because "it is the only book that is true." I asked him if he's ever been to the nonfiction section in a bookstore or library. His reply, "No."
Then I asked him how he felt about slavery and genocide, and asked if he believed that his god was justified in those acts. His response was that the bible "never said such things."
It's not obama's decision,if America is a Christian nation or not,so far there're 290 milliion American Christians which makes 90% of the country's population,America is a Christian nation and founded by Christians,the facts can't be ignorant,America & Europe will remain forever free democratic and secular state under Christianity's culture & civilization & education,
@lucyana222 "the facts can't be ignorant" That is absolutely true, the facts can't be ignorant. The idiot spouting the "facts" is ignorant. 83% claim christian, 13% claim no religion, and the rest from all the other religions. That's from an ABC poll. This country was not founded by christians, read a history book. Then you say we're secular, make up your mind! We also do not have christian education in our government funded schools. What christian culture and civilization are you refering to?
@glennheston I'm an honest Atheist,Chtistian culture & civilization & education had created democracy & freedom & modernisation & technologisation,if u want 2 deny these facts on the ground then u're just fooling yourself,Thomas jeferson & fuckerson & hellson were some of the founding fathers,whether they believed in god or ape-ass or hell,it's their own choice,but they weren't the fathers of America & millions of American Christians,Christianity isn't political & strategical ideology,it's faith
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The Lord JESUS is coming soon everything is happening just as Christ fortold. Christ told us that satan would hi jack the christian church and install the anti christ in it a false religious man who will decieve the whole world and who will make a new world order in the last days. The pope is that man that anti christ he killed the saints changed the sabbath day called himself JESUS'S EQUAL and sits in Rome and rules over the illuminati satanic families which he started through the JESUITS
from my point of view most americans are religious rightwing extremists, in many aspects no different than the islamist nations who rally people with the help of religion.
We all know USA wasnt created bound to any particular religion, its just become that way with the extremist republicans and the voting power of creationists.
Last I heard 54% of americans do not believe in evolution.
@syntaxed2 Most Americans are not religious "rightwing" extremists. 54% of Americans understand evolution. 46% believe in the magic poof creation hypothesis, mostly in the south and negro/Mexican inner cities . Most Democrats believe in god and there are plenty of religious socialists. In fact, America is in a liberal mood/trend these days and leftist Obama will probably be re elected against a liberal Republican. "Religious rightwing fanatics" make up only a fraction of the US electorate.
How can you be a Christian nation if you violate one of God's most important commandments, THOU SHALL NOT KILL? He couldn't have made it any more specific, and you can't "interpret" your way out of that one. What about when Jesus said to turn the other cheek? Why does this so-called "Christian nation" fail to obey it's own moral beliefs? Does America only use Christianity as a political tool? Can you really be pro-war and a Christian? Anyone?
@mattdd05 That's an interesting question. Other questions worth asking include: was Jesus giving that instruction on turning the other cheek to individual people as the way that christians should respond to personal insult? What does a christian do if they witness someone else being assaulted? Jesus did not say to look on and not come to the aid of an innocent person. Jesus did not give commands that relate to international relations, or specifically say war, per se, is wrong.
@mattdd05 The command in the Torah (Old Testament) is more accurately, "You shall not murder". Putting to death/ killing those found guilty of a listed capital offense, such as murder or kidnapping, after a fair trial, was also commanded in the Torah (Law of Moses), as an act of justice.
@wattlebough Oh really? And when the U.S goes to war and kills soldiers as well as innocents, are they given a fair trial? What about when Jesus said turn the other cheek? You can't weasel your way outta that one. Pro-war Americans are the religious hypocrites that Jesus talked about in the Bible. I think Americans worship war and violence more than they do God.
@mattdd05 See, you're right there. Killing innocents is morally wrong, & when deliberate by any soldier, they must be brought to trial and punished harshly. That is the nature of justice. When soldiers kill innocents unintentionally, which also happens, it should be investigated, & if the result of a negligent act, should be punished also. I did say that turning the other cheek most likely applies to inter-personal relations, Jesus never condemned soldiers for being soldiers, per se.
@mattdd05 The people in power will use whatever they can to stay in power. If that means claiming they believe in a "god", they will say they do to get what they want. It's the ignorant masses that believe them. The people in power prey on human ignorance, and religious people are the most ignorant. If you'll believe in a talking snake, you'll believe a politician is working for your best interests.
@glennheston Neither Stalin, Pol Pot, Hitler, Iddi Amin or Kim Yong Il used that method of keeping power. With the exception of Hitler, they kept power by saying there is no god.
@wattlebough Hitler was a christian. The church has tried since the end of the war to distance themselves from Hitler. The pope made deals with Hitler. Saying Hitler was an atheist is an absolute lie. In Russian society the ruler is next to "god". The people pray to the ruler, and the ruler talks to "god". Religion is used by those in power to subjugate the weak minded.
@wattlebough Read Mein Kampf. Hitler explains his beliefs in his own words. To be exact, Hitler was a Roman Catholic. He made deals with the pope, and is even photographed with him. He persecuted the Jews because they killed christ. The christian church has tried to spread the lie that Hitler was an atheist since the war ended. Why would anyone persecute a religious group unless they were also a religious group of a different kind? Hitler put it in his own words that he followed christ.
@glennheston You, and others who hate christianity, say that Hitler followed Christ. Christ said three things that disprove your allegation: "You have heard it said, 'Love your neighbour and hate your enemy'. But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you..."- Matt 5:43-44 & "Why do you call me 'Lord, Lord', and do not do what I say?"- Luke 6:46. "Then I will tell them plainly, I never knew you, away from me you evil doers."- Matt 7:21-23.
@glennheston If you read my initial post carefully, you would note that I named several famous dictators that promoted atheism, but, I also said "with the exception of Hitler." I did not claim that Hitler is an atheist.
Let me put another question to you, if someone claimed to be a Buddhist, & followed the Dalai Lama, but went around bag-snatching from elderly ladies, what would you call that person, & their claim to being a Buddhist? Hypocrisy?
@wattlebough I'd call him a liar. It wouldn't be the first time a religious person did things they think are ok with their "god". Things that society would say are not acceptable. Hitler killed anyone who claimed the jewish religion because his christian religion said the jews should be killed. It's the same as your scenario, just to an extreme.
@glennheston There's a problem right there. The christian religion was founded by Jews, Jesus was a Jew, the first Apostles were Jews, and they quoted from a Jewish Bible, the Old Testament. Nowhere did they teach to kill the Jews. Read the New Testament & you'll see quite the opposite. That is why Hitler & others might claim to be christians, but they knew jack all about what christianity required of their behaviour towards other people. Learn some facts about what Jesus taught.
@glennheston It helps to understand that the bible, love it or hate it, contains the doctrines of Judeo-Christianity. You have claimed that christianity teaches to kill Jews. Point to me where that christian teaching is written. If it is not written, it is not a christian teaching; if it did not come from the mouth of the *christ* or his apostles, how can you call it *christ*ian? Because the New Testament is the *source* of christian teaching, it *is* documentary evidence.
@wattlebough And enough with the Hitler thing. He was a Roman Catholic, look it up. He was on your side. He was one of your people. He believed what you believe. Stop trying to perpetuate the lie that he was anything else than a Roman Catholic. One of your people went off the reservation. Your people had an incident. He was the statistical anomaly in your group. Just accept the fact that your group had a bad guy in it.
@glennheston Through our conversation I never denied that he was an RC. But as far as Jesus teachings go, as written, Hitler will be one that Jesus described as being a "...wolf in sheep's clothing...", he will likely find himself in hell, if such a place exists, for not obeying Jesus' teachings, as written in the New Testament... To understand christian doctrine, read the New Testament.
@glennheston "Hitler was a christian",your idiotic comments prove that you're brain-f*kd jackass,listen,a son of camel-ass lover,send your f*king Ali baba lie stories back to your deserts and caves,,America founded by Christians is a Christian nation & free democratic country & secular state,if you don't accept the facts then stop barking on youtube like angry dog,
@lucyana222 Read Mein Kampf idiot boy. Hitler was a Roman Catholic. He states in his own words that the reason he hates Jews is because they killed christ. I'm an agnostic you moron. I'm also an American, and my family has been in this country since before this country was this country. America is a secular nation stupid. Has always been secular, and always will be secular. You're so stupid you can't even see by my name that I'm not a camel jockey. You can't even construct a sentence, stupid!
@glennheston Idiot,Hitler is turning in his grave and laughing at you, I'm sure all youtubers laughing at your silly comments,you need to construct your f*kd brain,(mental treatment),otherwise you must go back to your desert to fuck with camels and pigs,
@thliberatedchristian Wait till the rednecks start hunting the muslims! There won't be any muslims left in this country. Let them do another terrorist thing in this country, and every muslim in this country will have a target on their back.
@glennheston You mentioned that Hitler was a christian,in fact he belonged to a Christian family & nation but he was non believer (Atheist) otherwise he wouldn't kill millions of christians,isn't so ? Thomas jeferson also belonged to a Christian family but he believed in something which he didn't even know himself what 2 B believed,but you forget to mention the names of millions Christian scentists & inventors & technologists & honest liberators & nobelist and...BTW,you belong to deserts & caves
@lucyana222 Hitler was a believer and the non believer lie has been pushed by the church since he lost the war. That is fact. Are there good christians, yes. Are there bad christians, yes. And let's not try to say that because someone who invented something was a christian, therefore what he invented came from christianity. That's just stupid.
You, right stinky camel thanks to you our beloved country is divided and you have plant so much hate just like the terrorist muslin have done all over the world but hear me out you mother fucker you may be the president but you sure as fucking hell don't speak for me an Americans with faith know perfectly fine your days are ###so go ahead and spread hate and insult the USA as you love to do your time is coming and there will be no tears but pure joy.. remenber JFK!! a list he was America.buster
@biped1of1pandemonium Obama is a Christian himself. And no one wants to take away your book of ancient fairy tales and legends. America was, is and always will be a secular state. America's founding legal documents are GODLESS!
@FaganRoberts The founding documents are "godless"? Have you read the Declaration of Independence 1776?
"We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their ***Creator*** with certain unalienable rights..."
Article VII Ratification of the Constitution is signed, "...the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord..." Who's Lord, and which Lord are the writers of the US Constitution referring to? Greetings from Oz.
@wattlebough Have you thoroughly read my post? I stated our founding LEGAL documents are godless. The Declaration of Independence is merely a declaration and not a legally binding governing principle. I defy you to find a reference to a god, let alone a Christian god, in our Constitution or Bill of Rights. But I bet you'll pray it's in there somewhere. Nice try. Better luck next time.
@FaganRoberts Hehe, you said the founding legal documents were"godless". Although it's inconsequential, I did say that there is a *reference* to God in Article VII of the US Constitution (Is that legal enough for you?), "...the year of our Lord..." Who's Lord are they referring to? An obscure reference, but a mention of God in a founding legal document as requested. Hardly a religious injunction, but that is an acknowledgement that means the document is not entirely *godless*.
@wattlebough It is godless in the sense that there is no supernatural basis for any of our laws. It is a very secular/humanist document. So yes, it is godless as our nation is not a theocracy nor is there a biblical basis for any binding Enlightenment founding concepts. Apart from a a meaningless, abstract reference to a mere date, it is an entirely godless Constitution for all intents and purposes. Methinks theocrats can come up with a better basis for argument, but of course, they cannot.
@FaganRoberts That's an interesting question, re: supernatural basis for laws. It may be so at the Federal level, but what about at the State level? Or perhaps, what about at the level of the Thirteen Colonies that became the original United States? Those States being Massachusetts, Connecticut, Virginia, New York, Philadelphia, North & South Carolina, etc, (excuse any mistakes, I'm not a US citizen) did any of them have religious influence?
@wattlebough By and large, the 1st Amendment preempts any state and local effort to introduce theocratic legal concepts or basis into law. i.e., Article VI of the US Constitution forbids ANY religious "tests" for holding public office. Currently a handfull of states (primarily in the southern shit kicking superstitious parts of the US) require a candidate to declare they are Christian before running for office. But this will be challenged in the Supreme Court and overturned soon.Thank goodness!
@FaganRoberts I appreciate that, I don't know how things work in the US, but in Australia we have a similar thing in our Constitution, ie, Section 116, which forbids the government of the Commonwealth of Australia from enforcing, or prohibiting the free practice of any religion, and elsewhere no religious test is required to stand for government positions. The States retain residual powers, which the Federal government has no power to over rule. Would it be similar in the US?
@wattlebough All powers not proscribed to the Federal government otherwise belong to the various states. However, a state cannot override Constitutional guarantees/powers explicit/ implied in the Constitution or rights under Bill of Rights. i.e., a state cannot establish a religion (violation of 1st Am. rights) nor can a state ban the sale and possession of handguns (violation of 2nd Am. rights). State's search & seizure laws are supposed to be rather uniform under the 4th Amend., etc., etc..
@FaganRoberts ...You're wrong quiz kid. We were founded on Judeo-Christian principals WITH the freedom to practice the freedom of religeon. If it were not so then why does it say "In God we trust" on our currency for example?
@biped1of1pandemonium What Judeo-Christian principles are found in our Constitution and Bill of Rights considering there is no reference to any god or religion in these founding legal documents? Do you really think "In God We Trust" being added to our currency in the 1950's is an adequate representation or proof of your bold assertion? I hope you respond well to this quiz, son.
Good luck and pray if you wish. I dare you'll find a god in there somewhere.
@FaganRoberts Actually it can even be traced all the way to the Mayflower with The Fundemental Orders of Conecticutt in1639. The Supreme Court, in 1892, after an exhaustive 10 year study of the matter concluded:"This is a religeous people, this is a Christian Nation". Even today The Supreme Court opens each session with the verbal declaration:"God save the United States of America". C-MON MAN! do some damn research! ...class dismissed......junior ;)
@biped1of1pandemonium You failed to bring one founding principle, inherent in the US Constitution and/or Bill of Rights that can be traced directly to a religious dogma, text or doctrine to the table. You get one final chance to do so, grasshopper. Ad hocs, religious opinions and subjective anecdotes won't cut it in this class, sonny.
Hint: Research "Treat of Tripoli" for extra credit.
Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Muslims,—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Muslim nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. -Treaty of Tripoli, 1797
@eastariel Jihad is never referred to in the Qur'an as a holy war of purification of one's faults. The word Jihad is often accompanied by the words "qital fee sabeel Allah", or "yaqtalu fee sabeel Allah". Qital & yaqtalu are based on the word "qatala", and both mean fight and kill in the name of Allah. Even in arabic today qatala means "he killed"- ask your imam. Jihad al-akbar & Jihad al-asghar are not mentioned in the Qur'an or the Sahih Hadith anywhere. It is a lie.
There is a Quran chapter that says, "To them be their religion, and to us be our religion." Live and let live, in another words. How about Christianity? Historically, Christianity has waged war on Muslims. The Quran encourages ethical self-defense as a survival issue.
In Arabic, the word jihād translates as a noun meaning "struggle". Jihad appears 41 times in the Quran and frequently in the idiomatic expression "striving in the way of God." Muslim authors usually stress non-militant connotations of the word.
@eastariel It would be worthwhile to research how many times "qitaal" and it's variants are mentioned in Al-Qur'an. The word qitaal, qatala or yaqtalu is a verb that means, unambiguously, "fight" or "kill". The revolutionaries of the world often used the word struggle to describe the fight for their cause. Muhammed (SalaAllahu Alheyhi waSallam) personally led 19 military expeditions (Hadith- Sahih Bukhari 59 #285), and the Sunnah requires imitation of Muhammed by the muslim.
@eastariel Hi, one more thing, sorry to push this topic, but these are the findings of careful research which you can verify for yourself. The concept of the Greater Jihad and the Lesser Jihad, Jihad Al-Akbar/ Jihad Al-Asghar, is actually nowhere in the Qur'an or the Hadith of Bukhari or Muslim, which are the basis of the Sunnah and Sharia. Muhammed (SAAWS) never preached it. Check the Qur'an for yourself and see if what I am saying is true or not.
@wattlebough Wouldn't it be a lot easier to just be nice to other people instead of trying to make sense of a bunch of fairy tales made up by a bunch of gay guys walking around in the desert without a hat?
@mugable "you might as well toss christianity in the same category as big business and their political interests."
umm, ok. What other business gives the majority of their money away with no insentive but to help people.. really you just proved to the world just how ignorant you are..
or maybe your just behind the times about 400 years
hmm well thats odd considering the ten commandments carved into the walls of the supreme court. Our entire country, constitution, declaration of Independence, Bill of Rights, National anthem, pledge of alligence are all dervied from Christianity. To deny that is to be an ignorant brain-dead anti-american tyrant, which he is so good job liberals for electing this teleprompter dependant, muslim, inexperienced moron into office, redeem your stupidity and elect a republican.
This is new world order GARBAGE! Some nations call themselves Muslim, some Buddhist, etc... We have always defined ourselves as a Christian nation while other religions have the absolute right to practice their religions as well. I know some people were calling obama the Messiah 3 years ago but that still doesn't give him the right to change how we have always defined ourselves since our inception. There is only one Messiah & His name is Jesus Christ NOT barack obama. WE ARE A CHRISTIAN NATION!
@MsKrishtinaL I hear you Ms Krishtina, and please take note of the Articles of Confederation, The Bill of Rights and The Constitution. I recently read the Articles of Confederation for the first time and I was struck at all the references they made to God. They also used to call Congress into session with prayer. Most of the founding Fathers considered our rights to come from God Almighty and therefore no governmental authority or any human being could take them away from US.
@MsKrishtina: I agree that because of our God given rights people are free to believe whatever they so choose to believe. If you were to read the Bill of Rights, The Constitution, and the Articles of Confederation and make the distinction that they were referring to God however you so choose to define Him then that is your personal decision. Obviously obama believes otherwise because he stated that we are no longer a Christian nation & that's not his call to make.
@ericjaynelson: obama was sworn in to uphold the Constitution NOT convert this nation into a communist police state. He sits on the board of the UN which is a clear violation of the Constitution he was sworn to uphold. The UN is about global governance aka: a one world dictatorship. They want the right to execute anyone who doesn't worship mother earth. Our nation was founded upon Christian principles regardless of whether or not all of our forefathers were Christians.
@hobbit2245: Do you know of a website with footnotes where that can be verified? Nevertheless, NO president is authorized to come along and say otherwise...especially one who sits on the board of the UN who chooses to violate the Constitution & Bill of Rights at every turn. Obama obviously believes we were/are defined as a Christian nation because he did not say otherwise. Yet I did hear arrogantly and blatantly mocking Christianity.
@ericjaynelson Your appeals to US documents have little effect on me as an anarchist, so appeals to the Constitution/Bill of Rights really don't mean much to me at all. And if he thinks we are now or ever were a Christian nation he's sadly mistaken, and I don't see why he isn't "authorized" to say whatever he wants about the matter. And what's this about mocking Christianity? I certainly do that, but I've never heard Obama do it. Not that I've any love for him
@hobbit2245: LOL! It's the Constitution and Bill of Rights that give you the freedom to be an anarchist in the 1st place. I applaud your right to believe however you so choose to believe but without the Constitution and Bill of Rights we are no longer a nation....just another piece of real estate; so if you are hoping this country comes to an end......that is your right! It's very tragic, but it is your right!
@hobbit2245: I agree! Because contained within those documents it clearly let's us know that our rights are inherent. But without documents that clearly define the precepts of freedom WE WON'T BE! Our forefathers were coming out of tyranny and they wanted nothing further to ever do with it again. That's why they wrote official documents letting US know our rights came from God Almighty, which meant no government on earth can can grant them or take them away.
@ericjaynelson I don't need documents to tell me what my rights are, and they didn't come from a god which does not exist. The US government is a tyrannical despotism. Any government at any time in history is tyrannical by the very definition of the word.
My forefathers were Native American. Freedom from oppression? Bullshit.
@hobbit2245 You haven't been locked up for expressing your political views yet, therefore the degrees of tyranny are a sliding scale, where the citizens of the US have more freedoms than many other countries in the world.
@hobbit2245 You can always move to Australia mate (just kidding :). It may not say that we are the land of the free in our national anthem, but freedom is something we live without having to sing about it. To date our laws have not crossed the line like the draconian NDAA. All the best to you good sir. Wattle.
@hobbit2245: What was (and is) being done to the Native Americans is an atrocity! Governments do take rights unless the people stand up and enforce their inherent rights......and in free nation.....the rights of FREEDOM that are written on legal documents. All countries have laws and bylaws that are written on legal documents in order to define themselves as a sovereign nation.
@ericjaynelson What is being done to the modern American people is an atrocity. Being caged like animals. Nay, not like animals. Animals aren't raped and killed in their cages.
@hobbit2245: We still don't know what hardcore tyranny feels like, but they are certainly in a rush to move US in that direction. (i.e., naked body scanners, rendition, PD 51, executive orders 10,000 & 11,000, obamacare, carbon taxes, NDAA, people being arrested for growing vegetables in their own yards, a 1 million dollar fine for having a garage sale, the fraudulent federal reserve, 400 FEMA concentration camps, the unConstitutional end of posse comantatus, INFANTICIDE, etc...).
@ericjaynelson Agreed. We're not there yet, but we're close. That's why I advocate anarchy. More specifically, voluntarism. (also known as anarcho-pacifism).
@ericjaynelson Our rights pre exist in the state of nature and are recognized by HUMANS and/or Constitutional government. Can you provide evidence that our rights emanate from unseen dictatorial supernatural forces or favored deities? Or do you just have faith that they are? Does attaching a god to these rights (without proof) make them any more important to us? If so, why add unneeded contingencies?
@ericjaynelson Where are the legal references to god (let alone a Christian god) in the Bill of Rights or US Constitution? If no references are found, then can you agree that these legal documents are strictly humanist and secular in nature and that our Founders were obviously decidedly fearfull of establishing a pious theocracy in the United States, irrespective of a few of the Founder's personal religious convictions either way?
@FaganRoberts: There are plenty of legal documents with references and footnotes. I even suggest going through a local college library loan program where you can get copies of many of these documents free of charge or for a very modest fee. The following information contains vast hosts of articles, books, blogs, footnotes, videos, quotes, news clips, etc... They include authors, economists, historians, researchers, reporters, former Presidents, etc....
@FaganRoberts:These are websites you can visit [globalresearch][rense][MaxKeiser] Paul Craig Roberts, Gerald Celente, Nomi Prins, Eustace Mullins, George Grant, David Barton, The Editorial opinions of G Edward Griffin [barefootsworld][Wayne Madsenreport][LindseyWilliams][infowars][prisonplanet )[100777][CFR][trilateral]. Alan Watt is an excellent historian. [Allan Watt at CUTTING THROUGH THE MATRIX].
@FaganRoberts: This is a quote from Andrew Jackson that you will find in your research: "THE BIBLE IS THE ROCK ON WHICH OUR REPUBLIC REST." You can also order a copy of the RECORDS OF CONGRESS where it states that they opened with prayer (sometimes up to 3 hours) and BIBLE STUDY. You can also order copies of CONGRESSIONAL PRAYER PROCLAMATIONS. Congress did this 15 times. They would have FASTING AND PRAYER and then proclamations of PRAYER AND THANKSGIVING as official proclamations.
@FaganRoberts: There is a book you can order entitled ORIGINAL INTENT. This book has over 1500 footnotes directly from the Founding Father's lives where they professed the Bible & Christianity. Other materials to order are 1690 CONNECTIC LITERACY LAW & THE NEW ENGLAND PRIMER. Ben Franklin-the least religious member of Congress actually evoked James 1; Genesis 11; Psalms 127 & Matthew 10. Remember you can order copies of these official statements.
@FaganRoberts: IN Sept 12, 1782 the 1st English Bible was printed with an official statement from Congress: "RESOLVED THAT THE UNITED STATES IN CONGRESS ASSEMBLED RECOMMEND THIS EDITION OF THE BIBLE TO THE INHABITANTS OF THE UNITED STATES." In Sept 8, 1783 the official Peace Treaty was signed with Brittain. John Adams, Ben Franklin & John Jay signed the treaty in which the opening line stated: "IN THE NAME OF THE MOST HOLY AND UNDIVIDED TRINITY."
@FaganRoberts: The following are Presidents and/or leaders who declared that America is a Christian nation or that it was founded upon Christian principles. Remember you can order these official documents: JOHN QUINCY ADAMS, ABRAHAM LINCOLN, WOODROW WILSON, ZACHARY TAYLOR, HARRY TRUMAN, ANDREW JACKSON, WILLIAM MCKINLEY, HERBERT HOOVER, TEDDY ROOSEVELT, ELIAS BOUDINOT, CHARLES CARROLL, JOHN HANCOCK, BEN RUSH, STEPHEN HOPKINS, SAMUEL ADAMS, GEORGE WASHINGTON, ALEXANDER HAMILTON....
@FaganRoberts: The following are Presidents and/or leaders who declared that America is a Christian nation or that it was founded upon Christian principles. Remember you can order these official documents: JOHN QUINCY ADAMS, ABRAHAM LINCOLN, WOODROW WILSON, ZACHARY TAYLOR, HARRY TRUMAN, ANDREW JACKSON, WILLIAM MCKINLEY, HERBERT HOOVER, TEDDY ROOSEVELT, ELIAS BOUDINOT, CHARLES CARROLL, JOHN HANCOCK, BEN RUSH, STEPHEN HOPKINS, SAMUEL ADAMS, GEORGE WASHINGTON, ALEXANDER HAMILTON....
@glennheston: Actually our nation was founded upon Christian-Judeo principles, which doesn't mean everyone is a Christian, it simply means we use Christian ethics to define ourself as a nation. For example, in some countries women are beaten for wearing pants. That's a derivative of sharia law. In our country it is illegal to deny a person religious, ethical, and moral freedom. In the video obama stated that we are no longer a Christian nation so clearly he believes we once were.
@glennheston: Thou shalt not kill! Thou shalt not steal! Celebrating the birth of Christ (a national holiday), Martin Luther King Day (a national holiday day in commemoration of a Christian minister who fought for Christian ethics), IN GOD WE TRUST on currency (in which the atheist league brought legal action to have that term removed), Article 4 Section 4 of the CONSTITUTION is derived from Exodus 18:21. Article 2 Section 1 is derived from Deuteronomy 17:15, etc....
@glennheston: Article 3 Section 3 of the CONSTITUTION is derived directly from Deuteronomy 17:6 & Ezekiel 18:20. Isaiah 33:32 was used as as our national backdrop to form our 3 branches of government while Ezra 7:24 gives US Tax Exemptions For Churches, etc.... I take it you were asking a hypothetical question when you asked the question: WHAT CHRISTIAN ETHICS ARE YOU REFERRING TO?....seeing that you agree that they at least pretended to agree with Christian ethics.
@glennheston: There is a book you can order entitled ORIGINAL INTENT. This book has over 1500 footnotes directly from the Founding Father's lives where they professed the Bible & Christianity. Other materials to order are 1690 CONNECTIC LITERACY LAW & THE NEW ENGLAND PRIMER. Ben Franklin-the least religious member of Congress actually evoked James 1; Genesis 11; Psalms 127 & Matthew 10. Remember you can order copies of these official statements.
@FaganRoberts: MORE Leader who declared that America was founded up Christian principles: RUFUS KING, JOHN DICKINSON, ROGER SHERMAN, SAMUEL CHASE, JOHN JAY, JOSEPH STORY, ZEPHANIAH SWIFT, JAMES KENT, THE US CONGRESS, STATE SUPREME COURTS & STATE LEGISLATURES, etc....Article 1, Section 8 of the CONSTITUTION is entitled: Uniform Immigration Laws......was derived from the BIBLE (Leviticus 19:34). Article 2 Section 1 states that A PRESIDENT MUST BE A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.....
@FaganRoberts: Article 2 Section 1 of the CONSTITUTION was also derived directly from the BIBLE (Deuteronomy 17:15). Article 3 Section 3 of the CONSTITUTION is entitled: Witnesses & Capital Punishment & Provision Against Attainder. Both of these sections were also derived directly from the Bible (Deuteronomy 17:6 & Ezekiel 18:20). Isaiah 33:32 in the BIBLE was used as as our national backdrop to form our 3 branches of government while Ezra 7:24 gives US Tax Exemptions For Churches.
@FaganRoberts: Article 4 Section 4 of the CONSTITUTION is entitled Elections At Local, County, State, and Federal Levels. This section of the CONSTITUTION was derived directly from Exodus 18:21. DANIEL WEBSTER (nickname: DEFENDER OF THE CONSTITUTION) stated: "WHATEVER MAKES MEN GOOD CHRISTIANS MAKES THEM GOOD CITIZENS. That was just one of many quotes he made about Christianity where you can order his official statements. 15,000 writings were analyzed by Historians.......
@FaganRoberts: Out of the 15,000 writings analyzed there were 3154 quotations and sources directly from the Founding Fathers and out of those 3154 quotations & sources 34% were directly from the BIBLE. You will find as you do your research that the Founding Fathers used the Bible in relation to the DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE, THE BILL OF RIGHTS & THE CONSTITUTION. They were against a theocracy which is why we don't have one. Their ANTI theocracy was also derived from the Bible.
@FaganRoberts: The Bible was initially against the idea of a theocracy but God's people wanted to be like other nations so God granted their request. Our Founding Fathers were keenly aware of this & avoided setting up a theocracy. Your statement concerning a sky wizard is foreign to me seeing that I never mentioned a sky wizard of any sort, nor do I believe in a sky wizard. I personally believe in God Almighty as did our founding Fathers (both black & white).
@ericjaynelson Jefferson was a deist, not a christian. Franklin was non-religious. (He was known to join satanic cults because they had orgies.) Jefferson and Franklin wrote the constitution and did everything they could to keep religion out of the government. They both knew that every time religion got involved with government, things went wrong. Saying, "the year of our LORD", was how they said it back then.
@glennheston: Frankly Franklin & Jefferson were not the only lawmakers. Whether they were Christians or not they still both supported Christian ideals so that America would always remain free. Those who claim that Ben Franklin was joined satanic cults with no proof are acting irresponsibly. I've read some of Jefferson's quotes & I got the impression he was against organized religion. Nevertheless, the whole premise of Christianity is that a person can repent. Perhaps they did!
@ericjaynelson I've read Jefferson and Franklin's biography's, and neither was christian. They did play the religion game with the founding of the country, but only because they had to get the backing of the common people who were religious. It would have been almost impossible to get the people behind them if they said religion would have no place in the new country. They made it very fair. No religion gets anything more than any other religion. Neither had a deathbed conversion.
@glennheston: According to your theory Jefferson & Franklin played along to get the backing of US commoners who were religious; so that means they were pretenders who didn't have strength enough of their own convictions to be honest. That's cowardly! It also means they were implementing Christian principles just to appease US common folks. So r you implying they were mere pretenders who didn't believe what they were implementing? I take it both biographies are unauthorized? LOL!
@glennheston: Exactly what are the titles of the biographies you are referring to? If I get a chance I would like to research both of them. At least you are agreeing with me to a degree because how else could they have played along with common religious folks were they not to implement religious protocols in order to appease the masses???????
@ericjaynelson "THE ROAD TO MONTICELLO THE LIFE AND MIND OF Thomas Jefferson KEVIN J. HAYES" Jefferson was a deist, he did not believe in the christian "god", and he also wanted to get rid of slavery. The other guys in the congress told him, "One thing at a time." Franklin tried to screw anything with tits! That's why he joined satanic cults. I learned that from The History Channel! They used religion to get the public on their side, just like everyone else did throughout history. They lied!
now thats what im talking about best said ever from obama
abobakershahwali 1 day ago
Thank god for secular humanist.
(Not implying obama is)
TheHobbsicle 4 days ago
THOMAS JEFFERSON: "I, too, have made a wee-little book from the same materials, which I call the Philosophy of Jesus; it is a paradigma of his doctrines, made by cutting the texts out of the book, and arranging them on the pages of a blank book, in a certain order of time or subject. A more beautiful or precious morsel of ethics I have never seen; it is a document in proof that I am a real Christian...disciple of the doctrines of Jesus."
jlpettit 4 days ago
We never were a Christian nation. We have a separation of church and state in this country.
bushbasher42 4 days ago
We may not be a "Christian nation" but Jesus is still reigning over the world!
JesusJoy13 5 days ago
@JesusJoy13 Jesus is dead, he died on a cross by the way. Sure he might have been a great guy, but if you believe in Jesus you are atheist because he was a simple human being who made a big impression on the world. Logical thinking is what brought all human succes, nothing else.
KRUL540 5 days ago
@KRUL540 Ya you would be right if he didn't beat death and rise from the grave! But HE DID BEAT DEATH! He wasn't just a great guy, HE was God in the flesh walking here on earth with people like you and I! Logical thinking points to GOD!
ONE NATION UNDER GOD!
JesusJoy13 4 days ago
@JesusJoy13 You made the claim that your "god" is thee "god". Now prove it. Why should anyone believe you? No, logical thinking does not point to "god", and you saying it does doesn't mean a thing. "One Nation Under God", was adopted in the 1950's I think, and doesn't mean anything. This is not a christian nation, never has been, and never will be.
glennheston 4 days ago
@glennheston I will simply ask one question that proves there has to be a creator! "How did we get here? Can Everything come from nothing?"
From there it comes down to Jesus as to why my God is the 1 and ONLY GOD Almighty!
Why should anyone believe me? Look around you. this beauty we take in and live amongst everyday is NOT an accident. It's God's creation speaking directly to you!
You're right, this nation isn't one nation under God. That's why Jesus came for us sinners :)
JesusJoy13 4 days ago
@JesusJoy13 Your question is stupid. It has been asked a million times before by millions of other stupid people, and has been answered by millions of smart people. THe trouble is, you as a stupid person were incapable of understanding the answer. Leave issues regarding science and philosophy to the people who can actually understand them. The Bible is for you. It is a children's book.
jumpoutatree 3 days ago
@jumpoutatree you didn't answer the question...maybe you should be reading The Bible also!
JesusJoy13 3 days ago
@jumpoutatree In science there is no such a thing as a stupid question. All science begins with a question, a hypothesis, and research to answer that question and test that hypothesis. Questioning is the nature of science. If you had read the Origin of the Species, you might note that even Charles Darwin questioned his own theories, and he did so to his death.
wattlebough 2 days ago
@JesusJoy13 You and your religion can fuck off.
glennheston 5 days ago
@glennheston Have an amazing day man! You're awesome!
JesusJoy13 4 days ago
GIMME A CAPITAL DUMBASS!
CrackaRappas 6 days ago
Just because he says we are not a christian nation does not mean we are not a christian nation it matters on a size of numbers the U.S. was founded by christians and there are more christians in the U.S. than musilims, buddhist, etc and Obama sucks balls!!!
MrFROZENJALAPENO 6 days ago
it's an historical mistake that American's chosen him. He is not what he pretends to be. Why he is saying this, does anyone thinks like that. it's blunder mistake that he got office. How can he say America is muslim country?? Then Saudi should also a Christian Country as so many Christians living there.
TheCommandModule 6 days ago
For ignorant deniers,as free democratic country,freedom for speech & faiths,the government represents the country's affairs & laws & policy but country's people represent the nation,so far 95% of America's population are Christians then there's no need to ignore the facts,Americs & Europe are democratic free countries & proud Christian nations,if any who will try to destroy our educated & civilized free countries,they will be dragged out of these civilised countries,back to their desets & caves,
lucyana222 1 week ago
Obama was a Christian of his previous election,after he got the office then he wasn't a christian anymore,let's see what will he claim for next election and what he'll get ?.. he'll get one way ticket to his father's hell,shame on him for his lies,Obama is a liar ape,
lucyana222 1 week ago
Congress shall make no law supporting any religion above another. The United States of America cannot constitutionally be considered a (insert religion here) nation. We are a FREE nation where anyone can practice whatever religion they wish as long as it does not infringe on the rights of other citizens.
lastminuteregret 1 week ago 2
How do some idiot people ignore the facts on the ground,aren't they shame of their lies and ignorance,
lucyana222 1 week ago
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whatever7x7 1 week ago
I'm athiest I live in Ms and yes we fucking hate muslims! Bitches!
100percentjee 1 week ago
@glennheston You want be saying that when you die and go to REGULAR HORSE LAND! Which is unicorn hell.
100percentjee 1 week ago
Any of you idiots who claim that the US was founded on Christianity needs to learn now to read a history book. Thomas Jefferson, for example, was a deist, and believed that the Xtian god was full of shit.
Hitler possessed his own brand of Catholicism, which many will argue isn't what it is. He attended weddings at Catholic churches, spoke of 'divine providence', and stated his beliefs clearly in his book.
chinopisces 1 week ago
@chinopisces Finally! Someone else has read something other than the bible! Thank you for stating this because so many people have believed the lie that the church has spread for the last 70 years that Hitler was an atheist. He was a Roman Catholic!
glennheston 1 week ago
@glennheston: The other day someone told me that the bible is the only book they've read because "it is the only book that is true." I asked him if he's ever been to the nonfiction section in a bookstore or library. His reply, "No."
Then I asked him how he felt about slavery and genocide, and asked if he believed that his god was justified in those acts. His response was that the bible "never said such things."
Obviously not a reader.
chinopisces 1 week ago
It's not obama's decision,if America is a Christian nation or not,so far there're 290 milliion American Christians which makes 90% of the country's population,America is a Christian nation and founded by Christians,the facts can't be ignorant,America & Europe will remain forever free democratic and secular state under Christianity's culture & civilization & education,
lucyana222 1 week ago
@lucyana222 "the facts can't be ignorant" That is absolutely true, the facts can't be ignorant. The idiot spouting the "facts" is ignorant. 83% claim christian, 13% claim no religion, and the rest from all the other religions. That's from an ABC poll. This country was not founded by christians, read a history book. Then you say we're secular, make up your mind! We also do not have christian education in our government funded schools. What christian culture and civilization are you refering to?
glennheston 1 week ago
@glennheston I'm an honest Atheist,Chtistian culture & civilization & education had created democracy & freedom & modernisation & technologisation,if u want 2 deny these facts on the ground then u're just fooling yourself,Thomas jeferson & fuckerson & hellson were some of the founding fathers,whether they believed in god or ape-ass or hell,it's their own choice,but they weren't the fathers of America & millions of American Christians,Christianity isn't political & strategical ideology,it's faith
lucyana222 1 week ago
@lucyana222 That was completely incoherent.
glennheston 1 week ago
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glennheston 1 week ago
Actually, (with all due respect to President Obama) we never were a "Christian nation." We are, always have been & always will be, a secular nation.
txfreethinker 2 weeks ago 2
We have never been a christian nation, and hopefully we never will be
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100percentjee 2 weeks ago
@100percentjee No, you're wrong! Bigfoot is the key to salvation! Because I have THEE book! You only have A book.
glennheston 1 week ago
And... that's perfectly fine. Too much power from one group is destructive.
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The Lord JESUS is coming soon everything is happening just as Christ fortold. Christ told us that satan would hi jack the christian church and install the anti christ in it a false religious man who will decieve the whole world and who will make a new world order in the last days. The pope is that man that anti christ he killed the saints changed the sabbath day called himself JESUS'S EQUAL and sits in Rome and rules over the illuminati satanic families which he started through the JESUITS
vladimirkovalski 2 weeks ago
@vladimirkovalski Wow! You're fucked up!
glennheston 1 week ago
OBAMA IS THE MASK OF SATAN.....
stevennaing 2 weeks ago
303 are Christian
REBELMINDFUCK 2 weeks ago
obama is the anti christ!
33guyfawkes 2 weeks ago
@33guyfawkes So was every president before him. There's always some crazy person that says that.
solitaryman098 2 weeks ago
from my point of view most americans are religious rightwing extremists, in many aspects no different than the islamist nations who rally people with the help of religion.
We all know USA wasnt created bound to any particular religion, its just become that way with the extremist republicans and the voting power of creationists.
Last I heard 54% of americans do not believe in evolution.
syntaxed2 2 weeks ago
@syntaxed2 Most Americans are not religious "rightwing" extremists. 54% of Americans understand evolution. 46% believe in the magic poof creation hypothesis, mostly in the south and negro/Mexican inner cities . Most Democrats believe in god and there are plenty of religious socialists. In fact, America is in a liberal mood/trend these days and leftist Obama will probably be re elected against a liberal Republican. "Religious rightwing fanatics" make up only a fraction of the US electorate.
FaganRoberts 2 weeks ago
Reality check Obama! America never was a Christian nation. Never was, never will be.
Read your Constitution, Mr. President.
FaganRoberts 2 weeks ago
How can you be a Christian nation if you violate one of God's most important commandments, THOU SHALL NOT KILL? He couldn't have made it any more specific, and you can't "interpret" your way out of that one. What about when Jesus said to turn the other cheek? Why does this so-called "Christian nation" fail to obey it's own moral beliefs? Does America only use Christianity as a political tool? Can you really be pro-war and a Christian? Anyone?
mattdd05 2 weeks ago
@mattdd05 America never was a Christian nation.
FaganRoberts 2 weeks ago
@mattdd05 That's an interesting question. Other questions worth asking include: was Jesus giving that instruction on turning the other cheek to individual people as the way that christians should respond to personal insult? What does a christian do if they witness someone else being assaulted? Jesus did not say to look on and not come to the aid of an innocent person. Jesus did not give commands that relate to international relations, or specifically say war, per se, is wrong.
wattlebough 2 weeks ago
@mattdd05 The command in the Torah (Old Testament) is more accurately, "You shall not murder". Putting to death/ killing those found guilty of a listed capital offense, such as murder or kidnapping, after a fair trial, was also commanded in the Torah (Law of Moses), as an act of justice.
wattlebough 2 weeks ago
@wattlebough Oh really? And when the U.S goes to war and kills soldiers as well as innocents, are they given a fair trial? What about when Jesus said turn the other cheek? You can't weasel your way outta that one. Pro-war Americans are the religious hypocrites that Jesus talked about in the Bible. I think Americans worship war and violence more than they do God.
mattdd05 2 weeks ago
@mattdd05 See, you're right there. Killing innocents is morally wrong, & when deliberate by any soldier, they must be brought to trial and punished harshly. That is the nature of justice. When soldiers kill innocents unintentionally, which also happens, it should be investigated, & if the result of a negligent act, should be punished also. I did say that turning the other cheek most likely applies to inter-personal relations, Jesus never condemned soldiers for being soldiers, per se.
wattlebough 2 weeks ago
@mattdd05 The people in power will use whatever they can to stay in power. If that means claiming they believe in a "god", they will say they do to get what they want. It's the ignorant masses that believe them. The people in power prey on human ignorance, and religious people are the most ignorant. If you'll believe in a talking snake, you'll believe a politician is working for your best interests.
glennheston 1 week ago
@glennheston Neither Stalin, Pol Pot, Hitler, Iddi Amin or Kim Yong Il used that method of keeping power. With the exception of Hitler, they kept power by saying there is no god.
wattlebough 1 week ago
@wattlebough Hitler was a christian. The church has tried since the end of the war to distance themselves from Hitler. The pope made deals with Hitler. Saying Hitler was an atheist is an absolute lie. In Russian society the ruler is next to "god". The people pray to the ruler, and the ruler talks to "god". Religion is used by those in power to subjugate the weak minded.
glennheston 1 week ago
@glennheston I'd like to know, what criterion do you apply to Hitler that would qualify him to correctly be defined as a christian?
wattlebough 1 week ago
@wattlebough Read Mein Kampf. Hitler explains his beliefs in his own words. To be exact, Hitler was a Roman Catholic. He made deals with the pope, and is even photographed with him. He persecuted the Jews because they killed christ. The christian church has tried to spread the lie that Hitler was an atheist since the war ended. Why would anyone persecute a religious group unless they were also a religious group of a different kind? Hitler put it in his own words that he followed christ.
glennheston 1 week ago
@glennheston You, and others who hate christianity, say that Hitler followed Christ. Christ said three things that disprove your allegation: "You have heard it said, 'Love your neighbour and hate your enemy'. But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you..."- Matt 5:43-44 & "Why do you call me 'Lord, Lord', and do not do what I say?"- Luke 6:46. "Then I will tell them plainly, I never knew you, away from me you evil doers."- Matt 7:21-23.
wattlebough 1 week ago
@wattlebough Hitler was a Roman Catholic, that's a fact. Look it up.
glennheston 1 week ago
@glennheston If you read my initial post carefully, you would note that I named several famous dictators that promoted atheism, but, I also said "with the exception of Hitler." I did not claim that Hitler is an atheist.
Let me put another question to you, if someone claimed to be a Buddhist, & followed the Dalai Lama, but went around bag-snatching from elderly ladies, what would you call that person, & their claim to being a Buddhist? Hypocrisy?
wattlebough 1 week ago
@wattlebough I'd call him a liar. It wouldn't be the first time a religious person did things they think are ok with their "god". Things that society would say are not acceptable. Hitler killed anyone who claimed the jewish religion because his christian religion said the jews should be killed. It's the same as your scenario, just to an extreme.
glennheston 5 days ago
@glennheston There's a problem right there. The christian religion was founded by Jews, Jesus was a Jew, the first Apostles were Jews, and they quoted from a Jewish Bible, the Old Testament. Nowhere did they teach to kill the Jews. Read the New Testament & you'll see quite the opposite. That is why Hitler & others might claim to be christians, but they knew jack all about what christianity required of their behaviour towards other people. Learn some facts about what Jesus taught.
wattlebough 4 days ago
@wattlebough Your bible is full of bullshit stories, and you want to use it as evidence!
glennheston 4 days ago
@glennheston It helps to understand that the bible, love it or hate it, contains the doctrines of Judeo-Christianity. You have claimed that christianity teaches to kill Jews. Point to me where that christian teaching is written. If it is not written, it is not a christian teaching; if it did not come from the mouth of the *christ* or his apostles, how can you call it *christ*ian? Because the New Testament is the *source* of christian teaching, it *is* documentary evidence.
wattlebough 4 days ago
@wattlebough The bible is a bunch of made up stories that you guys think really happened.
glennheston 4 days ago
@wattlebough And enough with the Hitler thing. He was a Roman Catholic, look it up. He was on your side. He was one of your people. He believed what you believe. Stop trying to perpetuate the lie that he was anything else than a Roman Catholic. One of your people went off the reservation. Your people had an incident. He was the statistical anomaly in your group. Just accept the fact that your group had a bad guy in it.
glennheston 4 days ago
@glennheston Through our conversation I never denied that he was an RC. But as far as Jesus teachings go, as written, Hitler will be one that Jesus described as being a "...wolf in sheep's clothing...", he will likely find himself in hell, if such a place exists, for not obeying Jesus' teachings, as written in the New Testament... To understand christian doctrine, read the New Testament.
wattlebough 4 days ago
@wattlebough There is no way your book of bullshit says anything what so ever about Hitler!
glennheston 1 week ago
@glennheston "Hitler was a christian",your idiotic comments prove that you're brain-f*kd jackass,listen,a son of camel-ass lover,send your f*king Ali baba lie stories back to your deserts and caves,,America founded by Christians is a Christian nation & free democratic country & secular state,if you don't accept the facts then stop barking on youtube like angry dog,
lucyana222 1 week ago
@lucyana222 Read Mein Kampf idiot boy. Hitler was a Roman Catholic. He states in his own words that the reason he hates Jews is because they killed christ. I'm an agnostic you moron. I'm also an American, and my family has been in this country since before this country was this country. America is a secular nation stupid. Has always been secular, and always will be secular. You're so stupid you can't even see by my name that I'm not a camel jockey. You can't even construct a sentence, stupid!
glennheston 1 week ago
@glennheston Idiot,Hitler is turning in his grave and laughing at you, I'm sure all youtubers laughing at your silly comments,you need to construct your f*kd brain,(mental treatment),otherwise you must go back to your desert to fuck with camels and pigs,
lucyana222 1 week ago
@lucyana222 You're a moron, and you have bad grammar.
glennheston 1 week ago
@glennheston My bad grammar is insulting you,isn't so ? next time you must come on youtube with your real idendity,a son of pig,you f*kg muslim shit,
lucyana222 1 week ago
@lucyana222 I'm an agnostic, you moron!
glennheston 1 week ago
America is turning into a muslim nation! so do the whole Europe! sick..
thliberatedchristian 2 weeks ago
@thliberatedchristian Wait till the rednecks start hunting the muslims! There won't be any muslims left in this country. Let them do another terrorist thing in this country, and every muslim in this country will have a target on their back.
glennheston 1 week ago
@glennheston You mentioned that Hitler was a christian,in fact he belonged to a Christian family & nation but he was non believer (Atheist) otherwise he wouldn't kill millions of christians,isn't so ? Thomas jeferson also belonged to a Christian family but he believed in something which he didn't even know himself what 2 B believed,but you forget to mention the names of millions Christian scentists & inventors & technologists & honest liberators & nobelist and...BTW,you belong to deserts & caves
lucyana222 1 week ago
@lucyana222 Hitler was a believer and the non believer lie has been pushed by the church since he lost the war. That is fact. Are there good christians, yes. Are there bad christians, yes. And let's not try to say that because someone who invented something was a christian, therefore what he invented came from christianity. That's just stupid.
glennheston 1 week ago
@glennheston Are you bored with my debating style Mr Heston? Did you get the Buddhist- Dalai Lama question?
wattlebough 1 week ago
@lucyana222 My family came from England 300 years ago you dipshit.
glennheston 1 week ago
Obama bin buster laden will be one time president. Americans Patriots get ready for a huge war if this buster win is hamer time....
kkamalanii 3 weeks ago
@kkamalanii Could you stop posting until you learn English? I have no idea what you are trying to say.
glennheston 1 week ago
@glennheston DON'T BLAME ME BECAUSE YOU'RE STUPID!!
kkamalanii 1 week ago
@kkamalanii Sorry, I didn't realize I was arguing with a 4 year old.
glennheston 1 week ago
You, right stinky camel thanks to you our beloved country is divided and you have plant so much hate just like the terrorist muslin have done all over the world but hear me out you mother fucker you may be the president but you sure as fucking hell don't speak for me an Americans with faith know perfectly fine your days are ###so go ahead and spread hate and insult the USA as you love to do your time is coming and there will be no tears but pure joy.. remenber JFK!! a list he was America.buster
kkamalanii 3 weeks ago
Speak for yourself obama...I am a Christian.
biped1of1pandemonium 3 weeks ago
@biped1of1pandemonium Obama is a Christian himself. And no one wants to take away your book of ancient fairy tales and legends. America was, is and always will be a secular state. America's founding legal documents are GODLESS!
FaganRoberts 2 weeks ago
@FaganRoberts The founding documents are "godless"? Have you read the Declaration of Independence 1776?
"We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their ***Creator*** with certain unalienable rights..."
Article VII Ratification of the Constitution is signed, "...the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord..." Who's Lord, and which Lord are the writers of the US Constitution referring to? Greetings from Oz.
wattlebough 2 weeks ago
@wattlebough Have you thoroughly read my post? I stated our founding LEGAL documents are godless. The Declaration of Independence is merely a declaration and not a legally binding governing principle. I defy you to find a reference to a god, let alone a Christian god, in our Constitution or Bill of Rights. But I bet you'll pray it's in there somewhere. Nice try. Better luck next time.
FaganRoberts - United States of America.
FaganRoberts 2 weeks ago
@FaganRoberts Hehe, you said the founding legal documents were"godless". Although it's inconsequential, I did say that there is a *reference* to God in Article VII of the US Constitution (Is that legal enough for you?), "...the year of our Lord..." Who's Lord are they referring to? An obscure reference, but a mention of God in a founding legal document as requested. Hardly a religious injunction, but that is an acknowledgement that means the document is not entirely *godless*.
wattlebough 2 weeks ago
@wattlebough It is godless in the sense that there is no supernatural basis for any of our laws. It is a very secular/humanist document. So yes, it is godless as our nation is not a theocracy nor is there a biblical basis for any binding Enlightenment founding concepts. Apart from a a meaningless, abstract reference to a mere date, it is an entirely godless Constitution for all intents and purposes. Methinks theocrats can come up with a better basis for argument, but of course, they cannot.
FaganRoberts 2 weeks ago
@FaganRoberts That's an interesting question, re: supernatural basis for laws. It may be so at the Federal level, but what about at the State level? Or perhaps, what about at the level of the Thirteen Colonies that became the original United States? Those States being Massachusetts, Connecticut, Virginia, New York, Philadelphia, North & South Carolina, etc, (excuse any mistakes, I'm not a US citizen) did any of them have religious influence?
wattlebough 2 weeks ago
@wattlebough By and large, the 1st Amendment preempts any state and local effort to introduce theocratic legal concepts or basis into law. i.e., Article VI of the US Constitution forbids ANY religious "tests" for holding public office. Currently a handfull of states (primarily in the southern shit kicking superstitious parts of the US) require a candidate to declare they are Christian before running for office. But this will be challenged in the Supreme Court and overturned soon.Thank goodness!
FaganRoberts 2 weeks ago
@FaganRoberts I appreciate that, I don't know how things work in the US, but in Australia we have a similar thing in our Constitution, ie, Section 116, which forbids the government of the Commonwealth of Australia from enforcing, or prohibiting the free practice of any religion, and elsewhere no religious test is required to stand for government positions. The States retain residual powers, which the Federal government has no power to over rule. Would it be similar in the US?
wattlebough 2 weeks ago
@wattlebough All powers not proscribed to the Federal government otherwise belong to the various states. However, a state cannot override Constitutional guarantees/powers explicit/ implied in the Constitution or rights under Bill of Rights. i.e., a state cannot establish a religion (violation of 1st Am. rights) nor can a state ban the sale and possession of handguns (violation of 2nd Am. rights). State's search & seizure laws are supposed to be rather uniform under the 4th Amend., etc., etc..
FaganRoberts 2 weeks ago
@FaganRoberts ...You're wrong quiz kid. We were founded on Judeo-Christian principals WITH the freedom to practice the freedom of religeon. If it were not so then why does it say "In God we trust" on our currency for example?
biped1of1pandemonium 2 weeks ago
@biped1of1pandemonium What Judeo-Christian principles are found in our Constitution and Bill of Rights considering there is no reference to any god or religion in these founding legal documents? Do you really think "In God We Trust" being added to our currency in the 1950's is an adequate representation or proof of your bold assertion? I hope you respond well to this quiz, son.
Good luck and pray if you wish. I dare you'll find a god in there somewhere.
FaganRoberts 2 weeks ago
@FaganRoberts Actually it can even be traced all the way to the Mayflower with The Fundemental Orders of Conecticutt in1639. The Supreme Court, in 1892, after an exhaustive 10 year study of the matter concluded:"This is a religeous people, this is a Christian Nation". Even today The Supreme Court opens each session with the verbal declaration:"God save the United States of America". C-MON MAN! do some damn research! ...class dismissed......junior ;)
biped1of1pandemonium 2 weeks ago
@biped1of1pandemonium You failed to bring one founding principle, inherent in the US Constitution and/or Bill of Rights that can be traced directly to a religious dogma, text or doctrine to the table. You get one final chance to do so, grasshopper. Ad hocs, religious opinions and subjective anecdotes won't cut it in this class, sonny.
Hint: Research "Treat of Tripoli" for extra credit.
FaganRoberts 2 weeks ago
Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Muslims,—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Muslim nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. -Treaty of Tripoli, 1797
Rakshasa 3 weeks ago
@Rakshasa Good post!
FaganRoberts 2 weeks ago
Factually infallible.
naryanr 3 weeks ago
@eastariel Jihad is never referred to in the Qur'an as a holy war of purification of one's faults. The word Jihad is often accompanied by the words "qital fee sabeel Allah", or "yaqtalu fee sabeel Allah". Qital & yaqtalu are based on the word "qatala", and both mean fight and kill in the name of Allah. Even in arabic today qatala means "he killed"- ask your imam. Jihad al-akbar & Jihad al-asghar are not mentioned in the Qur'an or the Sahih Hadith anywhere. It is a lie.
wattlebough 3 weeks ago
@wattlebough
There is a Quran chapter that says, "To them be their religion, and to us be our religion." Live and let live, in another words. How about Christianity? Historically, Christianity has waged war on Muslims. The Quran encourages ethical self-defense as a survival issue.
eastariel 3 weeks ago
@wattlebough
In Arabic, the word jihād translates as a noun meaning "struggle". Jihad appears 41 times in the Quran and frequently in the idiomatic expression "striving in the way of God." Muslim authors usually stress non-militant connotations of the word.
eastariel 3 weeks ago
@eastariel It would be worthwhile to research how many times "qitaal" and it's variants are mentioned in Al-Qur'an. The word qitaal, qatala or yaqtalu is a verb that means, unambiguously, "fight" or "kill". The revolutionaries of the world often used the word struggle to describe the fight for their cause. Muhammed (SalaAllahu Alheyhi waSallam) personally led 19 military expeditions (Hadith- Sahih Bukhari 59 #285), and the Sunnah requires imitation of Muhammed by the muslim.
wattlebough 3 weeks ago
@wattlebough If he didn't have his religion, how many people would not have been killed?
glennheston 1 week ago
@eastariel Hi, one more thing, sorry to push this topic, but these are the findings of careful research which you can verify for yourself. The concept of the Greater Jihad and the Lesser Jihad, Jihad Al-Akbar/ Jihad Al-Asghar, is actually nowhere in the Qur'an or the Hadith of Bukhari or Muslim, which are the basis of the Sunnah and Sharia. Muhammed (SAAWS) never preached it. Check the Qur'an for yourself and see if what I am saying is true or not.
wattlebough 2 weeks ago
@wattlebough Wouldn't it be a lot easier to just be nice to other people instead of trying to make sense of a bunch of fairy tales made up by a bunch of gay guys walking around in the desert without a hat?
glennheston 1 week ago
You're right we are a religion tolerant nation.
Charlie12241 3 weeks ago
@Charlie12241----We are a religiously tolerant nation, but the Christian Supremacists sure don't agree with it.
dagoose109 3 weeks ago
Freak Obama
roy4816 3 weeks ago
Jesus was a fucking retard.
martyaus2905 3 weeks ago
it wasn't supposed to be a christian nation to begin with.
lets not forget our founding fathers were secularists.
a good number of them were atheists.
however, religion is a fantastic tool of control.
you might as well toss christianity in the same category as big business and their political interests.
more for them, less for you.
just keep the money rolling in and you'll have your salvation.
mugable 3 weeks ago 11
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@mugable "you might as well toss christianity in the same category as big business and their political interests."
umm, ok. What other business gives the majority of their money away with no insentive but to help people.. really you just proved to the world just how ignorant you are..
or maybe your just behind the times about 400 years
Commonvoice815 2 weeks ago
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hmm well thats odd considering the ten commandments carved into the walls of the supreme court. Our entire country, constitution, declaration of Independence, Bill of Rights, National anthem, pledge of alligence are all dervied from Christianity. To deny that is to be an ignorant brain-dead anti-american tyrant, which he is so good job liberals for electing this teleprompter dependant, muslim, inexperienced moron into office, redeem your stupidity and elect a republican.
last1standing00 3 weeks ago
This is new world order GARBAGE! Some nations call themselves Muslim, some Buddhist, etc... We have always defined ourselves as a Christian nation while other religions have the absolute right to practice their religions as well. I know some people were calling obama the Messiah 3 years ago but that still doesn't give him the right to change how we have always defined ourselves since our inception. There is only one Messiah & His name is Jesus Christ NOT barack obama. WE ARE A CHRISTIAN NATION!
ericjaynelson 4 weeks ago
@ericjaynelson Please take note of the fact that many of our founding fathers were not Christian.
MsKrishtina 3 weeks ago
@MsKrishtinaL I hear you Ms Krishtina, and please take note of the Articles of Confederation, The Bill of Rights and The Constitution. I recently read the Articles of Confederation for the first time and I was struck at all the references they made to God. They also used to call Congress into session with prayer. Most of the founding Fathers considered our rights to come from God Almighty and therefore no governmental authority or any human being could take them away from US.
ericjaynelson 3 weeks ago
@ericjaynelson Forgive me, but I was under the impression that even non-Christians can believe in God.
MsKrishtina 3 weeks ago
@MsKrishtina: I agree that because of our God given rights people are free to believe whatever they so choose to believe. If you were to read the Bill of Rights, The Constitution, and the Articles of Confederation and make the distinction that they were referring to God however you so choose to define Him then that is your personal decision. Obviously obama believes otherwise because he stated that we are no longer a Christian nation & that's not his call to make.
ericjaynelson 3 weeks ago
@ericjaynelson That's perfectly fine then. Have a good day.
MsKrishtina 3 weeks ago
@ericjaynelson: obama was sworn in to uphold the Constitution NOT convert this nation into a communist police state. He sits on the board of the UN which is a clear violation of the Constitution he was sworn to uphold. The UN is about global governance aka: a one world dictatorship. They want the right to execute anyone who doesn't worship mother earth. Our nation was founded upon Christian principles regardless of whether or not all of our forefathers were Christians.
ericjaynelson 3 weeks ago
@ericjaynelson Our nation was founded on Greco-Roman traditions, not Judeo-Christian ones. They similar in some ways, but very different in others
hobbit2245 3 weeks ago
@hobbit2245: Do you know of a website with footnotes where that can be verified? Nevertheless, NO president is authorized to come along and say otherwise...especially one who sits on the board of the UN who chooses to violate the Constitution & Bill of Rights at every turn. Obama obviously believes we were/are defined as a Christian nation because he did not say otherwise. Yet I did hear arrogantly and blatantly mocking Christianity.
ericjaynelson 3 weeks ago
@ericjaynelson Your appeals to US documents have little effect on me as an anarchist, so appeals to the Constitution/Bill of Rights really don't mean much to me at all. And if he thinks we are now or ever were a Christian nation he's sadly mistaken, and I don't see why he isn't "authorized" to say whatever he wants about the matter. And what's this about mocking Christianity? I certainly do that, but I've never heard Obama do it. Not that I've any love for him
hobbit2245 3 weeks ago
@hobbit2245: LOL! It's the Constitution and Bill of Rights that give you the freedom to be an anarchist in the 1st place. I applaud your right to believe however you so choose to believe but without the Constitution and Bill of Rights we are no longer a nation....just another piece of real estate; so if you are hoping this country comes to an end......that is your right! It's very tragic, but it is your right!
ericjaynelson 3 weeks ago
@ericjaynelson Those documents don't give me that right, it's inherent. Governments don't give rights, they take them away.
hobbit2245 3 weeks ago
@hobbit2245: I agree! Because contained within those documents it clearly let's us know that our rights are inherent. But without documents that clearly define the precepts of freedom WE WON'T BE! Our forefathers were coming out of tyranny and they wanted nothing further to ever do with it again. That's why they wrote official documents letting US know our rights came from God Almighty, which meant no government on earth can can grant them or take them away.
ericjaynelson 3 weeks ago
@ericjaynelson I don't need documents to tell me what my rights are, and they didn't come from a god which does not exist. The US government is a tyrannical despotism. Any government at any time in history is tyrannical by the very definition of the word.
My forefathers were Native American. Freedom from oppression? Bullshit.
hobbit2245 3 weeks ago
@hobbit2245 You haven't been locked up for expressing your political views yet, therefore the degrees of tyranny are a sliding scale, where the citizens of the US have more freedoms than many other countries in the world.
wattlebough 3 weeks ago
@wattlebough The NDAA passed and is now a law. No one has rights anymore. They're gone. Stolen. Ripped from us like a child ripped from its mother.
hobbit2245 3 weeks ago
@hobbit2245 You can always move to Australia mate (just kidding :). It may not say that we are the land of the free in our national anthem, but freedom is something we live without having to sing about it. To date our laws have not crossed the line like the draconian NDAA. All the best to you good sir. Wattle.
wattlebough 3 weeks ago
@hobbit2245: What was (and is) being done to the Native Americans is an atrocity! Governments do take rights unless the people stand up and enforce their inherent rights......and in free nation.....the rights of FREEDOM that are written on legal documents. All countries have laws and bylaws that are written on legal documents in order to define themselves as a sovereign nation.
ericjaynelson 3 weeks ago
@ericjaynelson What is being done to the modern American people is an atrocity. Being caged like animals. Nay, not like animals. Animals aren't raped and killed in their cages.
hobbit2245 3 weeks ago
@hobbit2245: We still don't know what hardcore tyranny feels like, but they are certainly in a rush to move US in that direction. (i.e., naked body scanners, rendition, PD 51, executive orders 10,000 & 11,000, obamacare, carbon taxes, NDAA, people being arrested for growing vegetables in their own yards, a 1 million dollar fine for having a garage sale, the fraudulent federal reserve, 400 FEMA concentration camps, the unConstitutional end of posse comantatus, INFANTICIDE, etc...).
ericjaynelson 3 weeks ago
@ericjaynelson Agreed. We're not there yet, but we're close. That's why I advocate anarchy. More specifically, voluntarism. (also known as anarcho-pacifism).
hobbit2245 3 weeks ago
@ericjaynelson Our rights pre exist in the state of nature and are recognized by HUMANS and/or Constitutional government. Can you provide evidence that our rights emanate from unseen dictatorial supernatural forces or favored deities? Or do you just have faith that they are? Does attaching a god to these rights (without proof) make them any more important to us? If so, why add unneeded contingencies?
These are things you need to ask yourself.
FaganRoberts 2 weeks ago
@ericjaynelson Christian principles? Old or new testament?
Provide evidence for this, please.
FaganRoberts 2 weeks ago
@ericjaynelson Where are the legal references to god (let alone a Christian god) in the Bill of Rights or US Constitution? If no references are found, then can you agree that these legal documents are strictly humanist and secular in nature and that our Founders were obviously decidedly fearfull of establishing a pious theocracy in the United States, irrespective of a few of the Founder's personal religious convictions either way?
FaganRoberts 2 weeks ago
@FaganRoberts: There are plenty of legal documents with references and footnotes. I even suggest going through a local college library loan program where you can get copies of many of these documents free of charge or for a very modest fee. The following information contains vast hosts of articles, books, blogs, footnotes, videos, quotes, news clips, etc... They include authors, economists, historians, researchers, reporters, former Presidents, etc....
ericjaynelson 2 weeks ago
@FaganRoberts:These are websites you can visit [globalresearch][rense][MaxKeiser] Paul Craig Roberts, Gerald Celente, Nomi Prins, Eustace Mullins, George Grant, David Barton, The Editorial opinions of G Edward Griffin [barefootsworld][Wayne Madsenreport][LindseyWilliams][infowars][prisonplanet )[100777][CFR][trilateral]. Alan Watt is an excellent historian. [Allan Watt at CUTTING THROUGH THE MATRIX].
ericjaynelson 2 weeks ago
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ericjaynelson 2 weeks ago
@FaganRoberts: This is a quote from Andrew Jackson that you will find in your research: "THE BIBLE IS THE ROCK ON WHICH OUR REPUBLIC REST." You can also order a copy of the RECORDS OF CONGRESS where it states that they opened with prayer (sometimes up to 3 hours) and BIBLE STUDY. You can also order copies of CONGRESSIONAL PRAYER PROCLAMATIONS. Congress did this 15 times. They would have FASTING AND PRAYER and then proclamations of PRAYER AND THANKSGIVING as official proclamations.
ericjaynelson 2 weeks ago
@FaganRoberts: There is a book you can order entitled ORIGINAL INTENT. This book has over 1500 footnotes directly from the Founding Father's lives where they professed the Bible & Christianity. Other materials to order are 1690 CONNECTIC LITERACY LAW & THE NEW ENGLAND PRIMER. Ben Franklin-the least religious member of Congress actually evoked James 1; Genesis 11; Psalms 127 & Matthew 10. Remember you can order copies of these official statements.
ericjaynelson 2 weeks ago
@FaganRoberts: IN Sept 12, 1782 the 1st English Bible was printed with an official statement from Congress: "RESOLVED THAT THE UNITED STATES IN CONGRESS ASSEMBLED RECOMMEND THIS EDITION OF THE BIBLE TO THE INHABITANTS OF THE UNITED STATES." In Sept 8, 1783 the official Peace Treaty was signed with Brittain. John Adams, Ben Franklin & John Jay signed the treaty in which the opening line stated: "IN THE NAME OF THE MOST HOLY AND UNDIVIDED TRINITY."
ericjaynelson 2 weeks ago
@FaganRoberts: The following are Presidents and/or leaders who declared that America is a Christian nation or that it was founded upon Christian principles. Remember you can order these official documents: JOHN QUINCY ADAMS, ABRAHAM LINCOLN, WOODROW WILSON, ZACHARY TAYLOR, HARRY TRUMAN, ANDREW JACKSON, WILLIAM MCKINLEY, HERBERT HOOVER, TEDDY ROOSEVELT, ELIAS BOUDINOT, CHARLES CARROLL, JOHN HANCOCK, BEN RUSH, STEPHEN HOPKINS, SAMUEL ADAMS, GEORGE WASHINGTON, ALEXANDER HAMILTON....
ericjaynelson 2 weeks ago
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@FaganRoberts: The following are Presidents and/or leaders who declared that America is a Christian nation or that it was founded upon Christian principles. Remember you can order these official documents: JOHN QUINCY ADAMS, ABRAHAM LINCOLN, WOODROW WILSON, ZACHARY TAYLOR, HARRY TRUMAN, ANDREW JACKSON, WILLIAM MCKINLEY, HERBERT HOOVER, TEDDY ROOSEVELT, ELIAS BOUDINOT, CHARLES CARROLL, JOHN HANCOCK, BEN RUSH, STEPHEN HOPKINS, SAMUEL ADAMS, GEORGE WASHINGTON, ALEXANDER HAMILTON....
ericjaynelson 2 weeks ago
@ericjaynelson America is not a christian nation, and no matter who says it is, it isn't. Our government does not follow any religion what so ever.
glennheston 1 week ago
@glennheston: Actually our nation was founded upon Christian-Judeo principles, which doesn't mean everyone is a Christian, it simply means we use Christian ethics to define ourself as a nation. For example, in some countries women are beaten for wearing pants. That's a derivative of sharia law. In our country it is illegal to deny a person religious, ethical, and moral freedom. In the video obama stated that we are no longer a Christian nation so clearly he believes we once were.
ericjaynelson 1 week ago
@ericjaynelson What christian ethics are you refering to?
glennheston 1 week ago
@glennheston: Thou shalt not kill! Thou shalt not steal! Celebrating the birth of Christ (a national holiday), Martin Luther King Day (a national holiday day in commemoration of a Christian minister who fought for Christian ethics), IN GOD WE TRUST on currency (in which the atheist league brought legal action to have that term removed), Article 4 Section 4 of the CONSTITUTION is derived from Exodus 18:21. Article 2 Section 1 is derived from Deuteronomy 17:15, etc....
ericjaynelson 1 week ago
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@glennheston: Article 3 Section 3 of the CONSTITUTION is derived directly from Deuteronomy 17:6 & Ezekiel 18:20. Isaiah 33:32 was used as as our national backdrop to form our 3 branches of government while Ezra 7:24 gives US Tax Exemptions For Churches, etc.... I take it you were asking a hypothetical question when you asked the question: WHAT CHRISTIAN ETHICS ARE YOU REFERRING TO?....seeing that you agree that they at least pretended to agree with Christian ethics.
ericjaynelson 1 week ago
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@glennheston: There is a book you can order entitled ORIGINAL INTENT. This book has over 1500 footnotes directly from the Founding Father's lives where they professed the Bible & Christianity. Other materials to order are 1690 CONNECTIC LITERACY LAW & THE NEW ENGLAND PRIMER. Ben Franklin-the least religious member of Congress actually evoked James 1; Genesis 11; Psalms 127 & Matthew 10. Remember you can order copies of these official statements.
ericjaynelson 1 week ago
@FaganRoberts: MORE Leader who declared that America was founded up Christian principles: RUFUS KING, JOHN DICKINSON, ROGER SHERMAN, SAMUEL CHASE, JOHN JAY, JOSEPH STORY, ZEPHANIAH SWIFT, JAMES KENT, THE US CONGRESS, STATE SUPREME COURTS & STATE LEGISLATURES, etc....Article 1, Section 8 of the CONSTITUTION is entitled: Uniform Immigration Laws......was derived from the BIBLE (Leviticus 19:34). Article 2 Section 1 states that A PRESIDENT MUST BE A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.....
ericjaynelson 2 weeks ago
@FaganRoberts: Article 2 Section 1 of the CONSTITUTION was also derived directly from the BIBLE (Deuteronomy 17:15). Article 3 Section 3 of the CONSTITUTION is entitled: Witnesses & Capital Punishment & Provision Against Attainder. Both of these sections were also derived directly from the Bible (Deuteronomy 17:6 & Ezekiel 18:20). Isaiah 33:32 in the BIBLE was used as as our national backdrop to form our 3 branches of government while Ezra 7:24 gives US Tax Exemptions For Churches.
ericjaynelson 2 weeks ago
@FaganRoberts: Article 4 Section 4 of the CONSTITUTION is entitled Elections At Local, County, State, and Federal Levels. This section of the CONSTITUTION was derived directly from Exodus 18:21. DANIEL WEBSTER (nickname: DEFENDER OF THE CONSTITUTION) stated: "WHATEVER MAKES MEN GOOD CHRISTIANS MAKES THEM GOOD CITIZENS. That was just one of many quotes he made about Christianity where you can order his official statements. 15,000 writings were analyzed by Historians.......
ericjaynelson 2 weeks ago
@FaganRoberts: Out of the 15,000 writings analyzed there were 3154 quotations and sources directly from the Founding Fathers and out of those 3154 quotations & sources 34% were directly from the BIBLE. You will find as you do your research that the Founding Fathers used the Bible in relation to the DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE, THE BILL OF RIGHTS & THE CONSTITUTION. They were against a theocracy which is why we don't have one. Their ANTI theocracy was also derived from the Bible.
ericjaynelson 2 weeks ago
@FaganRoberts: The Bible was initially against the idea of a theocracy but God's people wanted to be like other nations so God granted their request. Our Founding Fathers were keenly aware of this & avoided setting up a theocracy. Your statement concerning a sky wizard is foreign to me seeing that I never mentioned a sky wizard of any sort, nor do I believe in a sky wizard. I personally believe in God Almighty as did our founding Fathers (both black & white).
ericjaynelson 2 weeks ago
@ericjaynelson Jefferson was a deist, not a christian. Franklin was non-religious. (He was known to join satanic cults because they had orgies.) Jefferson and Franklin wrote the constitution and did everything they could to keep religion out of the government. They both knew that every time religion got involved with government, things went wrong. Saying, "the year of our LORD", was how they said it back then.
glennheston 1 week ago
@glennheston: Frankly Franklin & Jefferson were not the only lawmakers. Whether they were Christians or not they still both supported Christian ideals so that America would always remain free. Those who claim that Ben Franklin was joined satanic cults with no proof are acting irresponsibly. I've read some of Jefferson's quotes & I got the impression he was against organized religion. Nevertheless, the whole premise of Christianity is that a person can repent. Perhaps they did!
ericjaynelson 1 week ago
@ericjaynelson I've read Jefferson and Franklin's biography's, and neither was christian. They did play the religion game with the founding of the country, but only because they had to get the backing of the common people who were religious. It would have been almost impossible to get the people behind them if they said religion would have no place in the new country. They made it very fair. No religion gets anything more than any other religion. Neither had a deathbed conversion.
glennheston 1 week ago
@glennheston: According to your theory Jefferson & Franklin played along to get the backing of US commoners who were religious; so that means they were pretenders who didn't have strength enough of their own convictions to be honest. That's cowardly! It also means they were implementing Christian principles just to appease US common folks. So r you implying they were mere pretenders who didn't believe what they were implementing? I take it both biographies are unauthorized? LOL!
ericjaynelson 1 week ago
@glennheston: Exactly what are the titles of the biographies you are referring to? If I get a chance I would like to research both of them. At least you are agreeing with me to a degree because how else could they have played along with common religious folks were they not to implement religious protocols in order to appease the masses???????
ericjaynelson 1 week ago
@ericjaynelson "THE ROAD TO MONTICELLO THE LIFE AND MIND OF Thomas Jefferson KEVIN J. HAYES" Jefferson was a deist, he did not believe in the christian "god", and he also wanted to get rid of slavery. The other guys in the congress told him, "One thing at a time." Franklin tried to screw anything with tits! That's why he joined satanic cults. I learned that from The History Channel! They used religion to get the public on their side, just like everyone else did throughout history. They lied!
glennheston 1 week ago