Ok Holier-than-thou uneducated people who believe that the bombing of Hiroshima was so awful...there were 6-million innocent Jews killed and exploited vs. 100k Japaniese killed who supported Nazi power and the attack of Pearl Harbor...it was war...speak softly and carry a big stick...break open your history book and read....sad to believe that people's history lessons come from the bandwagon of propaganda
What a wonderful American. Would have loved to have met him. Just watched "Above and Beyond". What a stupid movie. A love story based on the Silverplate mission. How ridiculous. I don't blame the General for divorcing his 1st wife. My question is... WHAT TOOK HIM SO LONG TO DUMP HER? As for the people who object to the bombings, all they have to do is google "Japanese atrocities during WWII". And if they can keep themselves from puking, they are stronger than I am.
No mercy for you! No mercy for mass-murderers of epic scale! No mercy for you! You chose the maximum of escalation, you were able to do! No mercy for you! You will never see the paradise! No mercy for you! You only would pollute the paradise! No mercy for you! You will ever howl with the wolves in the desert! No mercy for you! Your father is Samael! No mercy for you! Your brother is Asmodeus! No mercy for you! You have died in the moment of your physical death!
Just think how many lives an atomic bomb would have saved if the Japanese had it on 12/7/41. The war would have been over before it started and all the bloodshed would have been avoided.
what? but in a war fight soldiers against soldiers (normally) but the Bombs was only against the civilian population. The only thing is that no American have lost his live but the Japanese civilian population have payed the bill and that was a crime against humanity like Hitlers war against jews. No other country have ever used this crazy Bomb.
In wonder what brain washing they use on our men in the military. They all turn into sociopaths and kill women and children and brag about it for 60 years afterwards. No longer able to feel human compassion or remorse as long as they live. They choose to live on the dark side and support evil forces till their last breath to condone their own slaughter of the innocents. I'm not saying japan was right. It was against the geneva convention rules of war to kill children but theydidn't care
@crysta555 Obviously,you've never served. I am very proud of my 4 years on active duty, 8years in the reserves & 2 years teaching onboard US Navy ships. I am alsoproud that my father and my uncle fought against the Nazis-& risked their lives in the process.
Are you proud that it was your own government that funded the war and nobody needed to be there and die needlessly,well the Nazi's are now in Washington without a bullet being fired well may be a few well placed one'd such as JFK.
It's all a game for the elite's and it will keep happening while people like you refuse to read their history,unless that is you like war's.google the Commitee of 300 or read
"The Confession's of an Economic Hitman" or "Trance the Formation of America".
Ah the real issue an apostrophe, this is how flawed your thinking is, how brain washed you are,what a narrow lane you travel down, you’re just another anal grammar queen.canon fodder for the rich you won't be missed.
japan would have fought to the very last man, woman, and child before they would surrender. My Great- Great Aunt was from Tokyo and she said they would in her school how to use weapons such as sharpened poles and grenades to kill invaders. This is what guys like Tibbets was trying to prevent. Soldiers having to shoot a child who attacks them with a spear. It is unfortunate that many people including children had to die to end the deadliest conflict in human history
@MrLeadfoot01 Japanese were loyal to their Emperor and the War Council - they would have surrendered earlier as the Big Six in Japan wanted ever since Jan 1945 but were stiffled by Truman's idiotic insistence on the unconditional terms of surrender of Potsdam - as it turned out USA signed a conditional surrender on Sept 2 - work it our for yourself instead of all the myth bullshit about a land invasion of Japan
Put an end to a war that was going to end soon and could not continue. I agree with what Gen. Douglas MacArthur believed as well as Nimitz and others, that Japan was already finished before the Hiroshima bomb was dropped and was a matter of time; thus, against the use of the A-Bomb over Japan. Japan was also in the process of suing for peace. Just before the Nagasaki bomb, the Japanese agreed to end the war. Was it really an act that ended the war; of a war, that was going to end soon anyhow?
@kodachromefilm Define "soon".J military leaders hoped to retain power thru a compromise peace.
"Those who seek to argue that Japan was ready to surrender before Hiroshima are peddlers of fantasies. True, the Tokyo leadership wanted peace, but on terms rightly unacceptable to the Allies" -Max Hastings "Retribution"p513
@kentamitchell Hastings also said "Japanese intransigence does not of itself validate the use of Atomic Weapons" - his book lacks critical analysis full of flimsy moral arguments for the atomic bombings - he is well known MacArthur basher not one mention in his book that Maca was dead set against the bombing of H & N - he even admits Hando wrote the reason for Japan's military surrender "it was the Russian invasion of Manchuria" - not da bombs ol bud
@kentamitchell It's not being a peddler of fantasies to know Japan wasn't in any condition to continue to fight. Not only people who shaped the war agreed to that, but also the people who I personally knew that directly participated in the reconstruction of Japan also agree. The atomic bomb wasn't the only alternative to a swift end of the war.
@kodachromefilm Nocondition to continue to fight? Tell that to anybody who fought on Okinawa, in the Philippines or in Burma in 1945. They still had plenty of men & ammo- the J leadership still hoped tposalvage a compromise peace & retain power.
@kentamitchell tell the boys from Okinawa Truman was aware of the surrender offers by the Japanese and privately confessed that both atomic warfare as well as further conventional military operations were unnecessary for concluding the war in the Pacific.(H E Barnes) - historic articles verify the war in the Pacific could have been over by Spring'45 - Roosevelt sent thousands of American boys to needless deaths at Iwo Jima and Okinawa - & needless mass murders J civilians at H & N
@kodachromefilm I highly recommend you read William Manchester's "Goodbye Darkness".He was a USMC rgt that fought on Okinawa 4-6/45 & took 81% casualties- he was wounded twice himself. His conclusion: "Thank God for the atomic bomb"
Okinawa was defended by 2 reinf j divisions. Kyushu's garrison 8/45 was *14* with more coming. J A&N had over 10k kamikazes to defend Kyushu.
@kodachromefilm Ever heard of Vice Admiral Onishi? He was J Navy Deputy Chief of Staff. In mid45 he was arguing that if J was willing to sacrafice 20 million lives in "special attacks" victory was still attainable.
my civil ethics teacher's father was a WWII veteran who faught the japs in the pacific, he's dead since last year, and I never got to met him, but if I had the chance to ask him, you think he would agree to this bombing after he killed jap soldiers?
@pichuchu1 hi, you seemed to be one sided, unable to think critically. Thus you have a low IQ, probably borderline retarded or less.The Atomic bombs were more of a good thing because it reduced casualties for Americans in the long run and japs as well. Just think about that, the next agenda on the list was a FULL-SCALE INVASION OF JAPAN, which will cost more American lives. Yes, some japs, some innocent but vast majority guilty had to perish but it DID save LIVES. So Project Manhattan was good.
this blast save a lot of lives General Mc Arthur advice to do it otherwise we would end up with 1,000,000 casualties in our side and millions on their side even the japanese people appreciate in a mix emotions this act because back then they were brainwashed to fight to death against the americans theres nothing to regret this is war not sitting nations singing cumbaya wait for the next one its going to be worst
@007ephraim actually MacArthur was dead set against using the atomic bombs he said they had no military value - the Japs knew they were beaten months before the bombing and began surrender talks with the USA before the bombings - Truman stalled the process with his "unconditional surrender" while the Japs wanted their Emperor spared - Truman dropped the Abombs to stop the Soviet expansion in Europe and Asia - as it turned out Hirohito turned out to be USA best Allie after the war
@007ephraim wrote "this blast save a lot of lives " prove it? - others have tried and couldn't - MacArthur has also been quoted for saying he was dead set against the bombing of Japan since the Japanese had already lost the war - it is perfectly reasonable to assume you have been brainwashed too and kept just like a mushroom - in the dark and fed on bullshit
@007ephraim@ImperialistRunningDo Hastings in his book Retribution p19 "Japanese intransigence does not of itself validate the use of Atomic Weapons" - Gen MacArthur and Admiral Leahy were both against the bombing of H & N - flimsy moral arguments with out any real analysis of the nuclear attack - Hirohito later wrote the reason for Japan's military surrender "it was the Russian invasion of Manchuria" - westerners didn' t realise the enormous Soviet victories over Kwantang Army
@Majorgeeek Ok name a country that is taking LEGAL action, none. Japan stands no chance against America if it comes to a trial. But if Japan did start a war with America, I would be happy to let them chuck another Hydrogen Bomb in the mix. Thats my opinion you aint never gunna change that.
@SuperYT4Ever - Truman a war hero?? - is that what you call American war criminals??? - actually Truman's decision puts him in the same league with Stalin and Hitler - I suppose the Red Indian Genocide was also carried by heroes???
@majorgeeek You for got to include Hirohito in the same league. As for genocide, Japs did or tried plenty themselves during their history, along with many nations all over the world, so don't single out the U.S. for nuking the savage Japs to end the war sooner, which it did, THANKFULLY.
@SuperYT4Ever the nuclear bombing of the Japanese WW2 was a mistake enacted in desperation since the Soviet 1.6 million army attacked and defeated the Japs august 1945 on mainland Asia - this single act crushed Hirohito more so than the a bombs - the USA at this stage used the secret weapon to show the Soviet to stay out of the Pacific which they immediately did - and for good reason - the USA mass murders of civilians in H & N are war crimes and need to be punished
@SuperYT4Ever dropping two nukes on Japan to keep out the Soviets and mass murder of up to 1 million civilians - you call that "brilliant American strategy" - .you are no better than Stalin or Hitler
@OneShotProjects actual number of deaths by Dec 1945 was around 200, 000 and by 1950 this number had blown out due to deaths from radiation and fallout - even today the total estimate of deaths directly attributed to this bomb including children being born with Leukemia and cancers will reach 1 million - in any case this is mass murder regardless of your inane insults is a war crime
@majorgeeek I do now that, ok lets put in in perspective, in 65 years 1 million people die due to nuclear deterances. More people die than that every year due to natural causes, oh yes and Nazis' killed 6 million in 6 years. MASS MURDER! IF IT WAS REALLY MASS MURDER YOU REALLY THINK NO COUNTRY (APART FROM JAPAN BUT THEY WILL NEVER DO ANYTHING TO AMERICA AGAIN) WOULD TAKE A STAND AGAINST IT. Nazi's caused mass murder, not America. America done what the world needed to do, end Japans reign.
@OneShotProjects mate - you cannot blow away two cities and its population of civilians, make the area radioactive which is still killing people today and expect to be applauded - the only applause will come from deviants, murderers and morally sick persons, perhaps Nazis and some commies may like you for it but is that what you want??? - this is a war crime as yet unpunished which only forces decent Americans to making feeble excuses
@majorgeeek Name a country which has taken legal action against the nuclear bomb? Wait a minute you say 'war crime', what ever happens in war (apart from Nazi's) can be counted as war, therefore nothing is unfair in war. War is war, deal with it. I applaud the Nuclear Bomb, those Japanese won't argue with America any time soon.
@OneShotProjects another feeble minded excuse - if war is war then why were there Nuremberg trials? they were war crimes just like Hiroshima - the mass murder of hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians and their subsequent deaths from nuclear fallout is a blatant war crime - are not the Japanese people? one nation cannot take the law into its own hands and get away with it - many people and nations around the world are beginning to voice their concerns about USA war crimes in Japan
@432ps1 your comment is the most silliest thing I have heard on this topic - even Hastings wrote in his book Retribution - Japanese intransigence is no reason for using atomic bombs on Japan - in actual fact Tibbets is a mass murderer - he should have been dragged into the Tokyo War Crimes Trial along with all the Jap war criminals
@majorgeeek You stupid, stupid fuck. Read your fucking history. You can start with: The rape of Nan-King, The Battle of the Solomans, Yap, Singapore, The Bataan Death March, Iwo Jima, Kamikazes, The Philippines, Korea, Burma, Nauru, Guadalcanal, Genocide, Rape, Torture. Go to the Pearl Harbor Memorial. Take a good long look at the names, you little puke fuck. These are the people that gave their lives so pathetic insects like you could open your ignorant shit filled mouths. Go fuck yourself.
@majorgeeek The fucking japs were warned. FM&LB saved hundreds of thousands of AMERICAN lives. Tibbets is an American Hero. One of millions who defeated the Japs and the Nazis during WW2 so little adolescent puke fuck worm pussy faggots like you can sit around and express your uninformed stupid ass opinions. Go into a VFW or an American Legion post and try talking your shit to a few Marines, you cunt.
@432ps1 Eisenhower told Truman he was opposed to the dropping the atom bomb on Japan. "I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary," and " by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that very moment, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of "face".
@432ps1 USA was well aware Japanese Govt wanted to surrender and had other options even expeditious ones- dropping two nukes on civilian populations is not an option but a demonstration largely the result of the emerging Cold War and USA concerns over Soviet ambitions in Europe and Asia. Bombing H & N is mass murder of innocent civilians including the sacrificial offerings of Allied POW's held prisoner in those two cities -
@majorgeeek The A-Bomb saved thousands of Allied and Japanese lives. WW2 is OVER, and Col. Tibbets will eternally be an American HERO. If he didn't pilot the plane, thousands of other pilots would have GLADLY flown the mission. You're argument is ignorant and irrelevant. Hitler and Tojo were both vanquished. End of Story.
@432ps1 Winston Churchill also agreed it was not necessary to drop the atom bomb on Japan. He later asserted: "It would be a mistake to suppose that the fate of Japan was settled by the atomic bomb. Her defeat was certain before the bomb fell."Mainly historians have argued that the US used the atom bomb as a warning against the Soviet Union. It was not an attempt to end the war but to determine what happened after the war. If that is the case, the dropping of the bomb was a terrible war crime.
@432ps1 The atomic bomb was a means of revenge on the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour.
Revenge is not strong enough of a reason to kill, injure and traumatize people, creating the terrible effects that no one desires. Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, if Russia had not entered the war, and if no invasion had been planned or contemplated.
MacArthur and D Eisenhower were also dead set against the bomb -
@majorgeeek Who the fuck is "Hastings" and why should anyone care? I'm GLAD we dropped the fucking bomb. Watching films of that mushroom cloud and knowing not one more drop of American blood was going to be spilled fighting the Japs is a thing of pure beauty. Go over to Pearl Harbor for Memorial Day 2012 and try to talk your trash in front of a room full of Marines, you fucking coward. You'll get a few well deserved boots up your ass. You're nothing but a punk and a coward. Now FUCK OFF!
@432ps1 "The lethal possibilities of atomic warfare in the future are frightening. My own feeling was that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make war in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying women and children."
@432ps1 "It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons.
@432ps1 Japan's surrender on Aug 15 was due to the Soviet entry into the Pacific War on August 9 and their subsequent occupation of Manchuria by August 15. When Japan surrendered Hirohito's message to the military only included the Soviet declaration of war on Japan as the reason for Japan's surrender. No mention of atomic bombs was included in the script to the military.
@432ps1 "punks and cowards" are mass murderers who drop atomic bombs on civilian non combatants - I do not condone the Jap atrocities but Japan's leaders were tried and hung at the Tokyo War Crimes trials - not one USA leader was brought before the tribunal to answer the mass murders of H & N - and if you think that is a good thing then you are no better than a swine herd Nazis - US marines do not behave in that manner - only drunkards
@majorgeeek War will always be killing of children and everyone else. Always has been. Before Christ even. Nuclear weapons are killers of everyone they fall on. War is war. Point your finger at those who start war. Rulers, military men. Weapons are the tools of leaders to fight evil as they see it. Nuclear or otherwise, they dont care as long as they have them, they will use them.
@L4DPlayer1000 not any of the belligerent countries that participated in WW2 strategic bombings of civilian non combatants were ever tried for war crimes at Nuremberg or Tokyo - many of the vanquished leaders were tried and hung for war crimes and not one of the victors or leaders from USA was ever brought before the tribunals to answer for war crimes especially for the mass murders of civilians from the two nuclear attacks on Japan
@432ps1 well I see you still hard at work making silly comments - tell us if Japan had dropped atomic bombs on two cities inside the USA and wiped out 300,000 innocent civilians you would be the first to cry war crime - hypocrite
@majorgeeek You're the only silly one here, you sorry son of a bitch.The Japs murdered, tortured and raped MILLIONS of innocent civilians, but you don't give a fuck about them, do you, you fucking lowlife scumbag? The bombs were dropped. The war is over. The Japs lost. They won't be attacking Pearl Harbor or any place else ever again. GET OVER IT. Had there been no Pearl Harbor, there would have been no Hiroshima. Get that through your thick fucking skull.
@SuperYT4Ever in August 1945, 1.6 million Soviet troops launched an attack on Japanese army occupying Asia. Within days, Hirohito's million-man army in the region collapsed.
It was a momentous turn on the Pacific battleground of World War II, yet one that would be largely eclipsed in the history books by the atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in the same week historians argue that the Soviet action served as effectively as — or possibly more than — the A-bombs in ending the war.
FDR's comment and warning on the oil embargo '.....Now, if we cut the oil off, they probably would have gone down to the Dutch East Indies a year ago, and you would have had war. Therefore, there was—you might call—a method in letting this oil go to Japan, with the hope—and it has worked for two years—of keeping war out of the South Pacific for our own good, for the good of the defense of Great Britain and the freedom of the seas.'
I saw Gen, Paul Tibbets when he was at an air show in 1995 or so. I was with my energetic son who was 3. We wandered, looking at static aircraft and were in awe of a P-51 fly by. Then, I turned around and saw an older gentleman in uniform, sitting alone under a canopy at a table. A banner identified him. We made eye contact, said nothing. I felt so completely humbled. I nodded at him, in thanks. He knew. Not one soul nearby. He then looked at my son, and smiled. I will remember. God bless him.
Thanks to God he lived. Thanks to God the US came up with the bomb before the japanese or Germans. Thanks to God for things that seem cruel, but in the end save more lives. How we are blamed for a war we did not start. On December 1941, the US Army was as small as Romania's Army and it was the largest branch of our armed forces. We were poor, economically in crises yet Japan struck us...at Peace. We asked them for years to get out of China and Manchuria. So...the bomb..God Bless
@giannivee1 The USA did NOTHING to help the Chinese in the 1930s and nothing to help the British, French and Dutch when the Japanese expanded in SE Asia. They only got involved in WW2 because of Pearl Harbour, which was in response to the oil embargo which FDR said would start a war. If you were a Muslim going on about God being on your side by way of justification for your rant about mass murder, people would think you a raving maniac. The USA resorted to terrorism you sicko.
@dutchgoing You are wrong sir. The United States State Department, Under leadership of Cordell Hull, worked for years negotiating for China to get out of Manchuria. No, we weren't at war or sending supplies from the first. We were a nation at peace, yet we, in the midst of a worldwide economic depression, did not forget China, and kept up a barrage of communique's with Tokyo to get out of Manchuria. Also, the United States sent many Missionaries and Doctors to China. Sorry you never heard.
@kentamitchell No I can't except to say that said Republicans were in Congress. Stop pretending that you know everything, you're pretentious and usually mis-represent things because you presume that other people never read anything ever.
Sorry once again you are being dishonest in your discussion by generalising and talking about someting I wasn't even talking about to prove your point. That's a cheap little tactic of yours isn't it? FDR DID warn that the oil embargo would cause war by saying that it would have caused war if done earlier. The result was that the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbour. I'm hardly an ignoramous for reading the man's own words am I? You can't debate and you have to crow and insult people. Very nasty.
@dutchgoing Yesterday, YOU stated "Republicans demanded the embargo". I asked you to name *one*- which apparently, you cannot do. YOU have egg on your face.
Mark Twain said it very well: "It ain't ignorance that's dangerous, its folks knowin' things that just ain't so"
@kentamitchell And I replied the Republicans in Congress. Just because I can't name one off the top of my head doesn't refute the point. Again more cheap point-scoring from you, totally off-topic to show how right you are all the time. You really can't debate, got no manners and you come across as an utter smug buffoon. Mark Twain? Is that the best you can do? Sad little man you are. Why don't you read proper literature instead of a hick like him.
@dutchgoing ROTFLMFAO!!! "Just because I can't name one off the top of my head..."? So I guess you can't be bothered to do a bit of research, can you? Is it ignorance? Is it apathy? It is BOTH!
HE DOES NOT KNOW & HE DOES NOT CARE!
Anyone with any motivation can soon discover that the Republican leadership in Congress (Taft, Borah, Wheeler) OPPOSED Lend-lease, the embargo, et. al.
@dutchgoing You're more of a conspiracy nut, you take facts, fuck them up as opinions, and refuse to understand the big picture. You mush your face into that one little fact,one little corner, denying the real point and big picture. Its rather pathetic
YOU CANT COMPARE ANYTHING TO THIS. THIS IS A SYSTEMATIC WAY OF EXTERMINATION. the fact that these weapons were developed and USED gave the possibility FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER,THAT EVERY LIVING ON THIS PLANET COULD BE DESTROYED WITH A PUSH OF A BUTTON!!!!!!. America not only mass murdered thousands of people but planted the seed for any other country to use nuclear weapons for their OWN just cause. HARRY TRUMAN IS THE GREATEST WAR CRIMINAL!!!
HEY DUMBFUCK When the atomic bombs were dropped over 100,000 PEOPLE WERE OBLITERATED OUT OF THE FACE OF THE EARTH. ALL IN A MATTER OF SECONDS. THERE WERE NO BODIES TO BURY. And the number isn't including the thousands of survivals who died from radiation burns and cancer years later. Comparing Pearl Harbor to the atomic bombings is a fucking joke you DIPSHIT
HEY DUMBFUCK When the atomic bombs were dropped over 100,000 PEOPLE WERE OBLITERATED OUT OF THE FACE OF THE EARTH. ALL IN A MATTER OF SECONDS. THERE WERE NO BODIES TO BURY. And the number isn't including the thousands of survivals who died from radiation burns and cancer years later. Comparing Pearl Harbor to the atomic bombings is a fucking joke you DIPSHIT
White Americans go to church because they have a lot of sins in their lifetimes. Killing native americans, enslaving blacks, dropping atomic bombs toward human beings, invading innocent nations, and becoming fat. If jesus exists, he must punish them. Amen.
You know what, everyone here is fighting with the japanese and against the japanese. And I'm going to stop it, like this: HEIL HITLER! Holocaust is was right! Hitler was a great man! I really think like this,
So what if Japanese die in our American prison camps! The kill numerous of our soldiers at Perl Harbor and during the war as well as the Germans with Hitler. They did not even treat our prisoners right and we are always observing the so call GENEVA Convention treaty. This Pilot and his14 man crew as well as the people that invented the Bomb and tested it, are our HEROES for Ever....... GOD BLESS AMERICA!
@mark0454 this you say is the truth.through no small part Iwo Jima is the tell on how this was all gonna turn out and after that we had no choice but to bomb.time was different -people were different.hopefully now more people are edjucated and that will never happen again.but human evil is always here ,by population there will be that percent-always. so stop having babies -reduce the goddamn population so some can live.Human s dont have the right to breed like rats. wake up -we re fucked
I`m in Hiroshima right now. Checking out the peace museum, they tended to leave out a few important points, like failing to surrender after Hiroshima (but they left IN Barack Obama t-shirts - go figure.)
Pretty warm outside, but the scenery is gorgeous - and the people are fantastic, very friendly and smiling.
As late as August 9th, 1945, Japanese war minister Korechika Anami wanted to reject the Potsdam declaration calling upon Japan to surrender unless the Emperor system was retained, there be no large-scale occupation of Japan, and the Japanese preside over their own disarmament and conduct their own war crimes trials.
Those insisting that Japan’s surrender could have been procured without recourse to atomic bombs cannot point to any credible supporting evidence from the eight men who effectively controlled Japan’s destiny: the six members of the Supreme Council for the Direction of the War, Lord Keeper of the Privy Seal [Koichi] Kido, and the Emperor.”
"Revisionists proclaim that the Soviet declaration of war [not] the bombs, caused Japan to surrender. While this was an important setback to Japan, it did not come as a shock as did the bombs because the Japanese had been observing the Soviet buildup in the Far East for months." - Richard B. Frank "Downfall: The End of the Japanese Empire"
Certainly prior to 31 December 1945, and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated.
@dutchgoing No, I have lost nothing. The abuse you recieve is well deserved. And American life is certainly more important than your nineteen year-old opinion.
@SCE2AUX I'm not 19. If you think an American life is more important than another life then you are a parochial person of restricted intelligence. Have you ever been outside of the USA?
@dutchgoing When it comes to warfare, yes, the life of an American is more important than the life of our enemy. And I have probably spent more time outside the US than you have spent outside your country.
@SCE2AUX When the next 9/11 happens the USA won't be receiving quite as much sympathy from the world because it has realised that America via its neo-imperialist foreign policy over the years is no champion of freedom or fairness. Freedom simply means US interests, ie making a profit and stealing some oil. Stating that an American life is more important than any other means you are a parochial bigot. The further one travels, the less one really knows. Very true in your case.
@dutchgoing Either you are being dishonest or you need work on your reading comprehension. Reread the following phrase: "When it comes to warfare, yes, the life of an American is more important than the life of our enemy."
As far as sympathy is concerned - when it comes to people like yourself - shove it.
@SCE2AUX Yes but what you are stating is not only dishonest it is elitist and very immoral. You would have done very well in Nazi Germany with views like that. I was reading about the very high civilian casualties in the outer Japanese islands. Seems the US troops just blew everybody away regardless of whether they were combatants or not, they did similar things in Germany. It makes me wonder what they were fighting for, certainly nothing to do with liberating the Japanese people perhaps.
@dutchgoing You mean like the Japanese civilians who committed suicide on Saipan? In any case I'd be interested to here your source for the statement that "US troops just blew everybody away, regardless." And no, we were interested in DEFEATING Japan. Liberating Japan, Korea, the Phillipines and other Pacific nations was simply a pleasant bonus.
Would I be right to assume that you have no military experience at all?
@SCE2AUX "There was some return fire from a few of the houses, but the others were probably occupied by civilians – and we didn't care. It was a terrible thing not to distinguish between the enemy and women and children. Americans always had great compassion, especially for children. Now we fired indiscriminately." Feifer, George, The Battle of Okinawa, The Lyons Press (2001), p. 374 The U.S. Army figures for the campaign showed a total figure of 142,058 civilian casualties.
@dutchgoing The government of Okinawa has built a memorial to all who died in the 1945 fighting. It has 240,734. Kyushu's garrison was >x10 larger- which gives a good indication what Operation OLYMPIC would have been like.
@SCE2AUX I had relatives in mainland Europe who witnessed the advance of the US troops in 1945. Their comment always was that the Americans just killed everybody in their path. Americans have never experienced a war going on in their own community, they wouldn't be quite so casual about excusing the slaughter of thousands of ordinary people. 9/11 certainly woke them up. I've heard all about air raids from the family thanks & people not ever coming home, plenty of war stories thanks.
@SCE2AUX Your claim that my relatives in Europe were Nazi collaborators because they were in Europe, I didn't say which country did I, means you know nothing about WW2 or how it affected ordinary people and underlines your parochial American mentality which was formed by not having your community ever subjected to modern warfare. You are also ignorant of the fact that nearly all Americans have European roots. Shame on you for shooting yourself in the foot with that cheap jibe you dunce.
@dutchgoing I claim that your relatives in Europe were Nazi collaborators because of their slanderous and vile comments about Allied soldiers. I am fully aware that most Americans have European roots. Once again you prove that you can't read with much comprehension at all - or at least you evaded my question about whether YOU - not your relatives have any experience at all. You also evade ALL of my previous points regarding the behavior of the Japanese civilians.
@SCE2AUX I answered all your comments about the behaviour of Japanese civiliians and I even provided references from at least one public work written by a US serviceman who was in the Pacific War. Saying that my relatives were Nazi collaborators when you don't even know which country they were in and know nothing about them is typical of your mudslinging debating tactics. The slander came from you.
Ok Holier-than-thou uneducated people who believe that the bombing of Hiroshima was so awful...there were 6-million innocent Jews killed and exploited vs. 100k Japaniese killed who supported Nazi power and the attack of Pearl Harbor...it was war...speak softly and carry a big stick...break open your history book and read....sad to believe that people's history lessons come from the bandwagon of propaganda
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What a wonderful American. Would have loved to have met him. Just watched "Above and Beyond". What a stupid movie. A love story based on the Silverplate mission. How ridiculous. I don't blame the General for divorcing his 1st wife. My question is... WHAT TOOK HIM SO LONG TO DUMP HER? As for the people who object to the bombings, all they have to do is google "Japanese atrocities during WWII". And if they can keep themselves from puking, they are stronger than I am.
LashBridges 4 weeks ago
Kaaaaaaaarma :D everyone will get they're turn
kapalups 1 month ago
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KLucy194 1 month ago
Wow people arguing down there.
suzyjonas 1 month ago
ARCANVS1 1 month ago
@ARCANVS1 *DUDE*! Switch to decaf!
kentamitchell 3 weeks ago
Burn in hell.
YukiNagatoSG 1 month ago
@YukiNagatoSG Hell? You really believe in that fairy tale?
kentamitchell 1 month ago
@YukiNagatoSG shouldnt have bombs pearl harbor
rambo4869 1 month ago
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ARCANVS1 1 month ago
good thing , may God forgive this faggot
mutiateia 1 month ago
@mutiateia Paul Tibbets died shortly before his 93rd birthday. Perhaps longevity is a sign of Divine Favor?
kentamitchell 1 month ago
Just think how many lives an atomic bomb would have saved if the Japanese had it on 12/7/41. The war would have been over before it started and all the bloodshed would have been avoided.
1Dougy85 1 month ago
@1Dougy85
what? but in a war fight soldiers against soldiers (normally) but the Bombs was only against the civilian population. The only thing is that no American have lost his live but the Japanese civilian population have payed the bill and that was a crime against humanity like Hitlers war against jews. No other country have ever used this crazy Bomb.
xxkilleroxx 1 month ago
good thing this faggot is dead
edwardd6681 2 months ago
@edwardd6681 It is a VERY good thing we did not have to resort to an invasion and/or blockade that would've killed MILLIONS.
kentamitchell 1 month ago
@kentamitchell what does that have to do with the mass murdering faggot being dead?
edwardd6681 1 month ago
@edwardd6681 OK, history just isn't your thing is it?
kentamitchell 1 month ago
In wonder what brain washing they use on our men in the military. They all turn into sociopaths and kill women and children and brag about it for 60 years afterwards. No longer able to feel human compassion or remorse as long as they live. They choose to live on the dark side and support evil forces till their last breath to condone their own slaughter of the innocents. I'm not saying japan was right. It was against the geneva convention rules of war to kill children but theydidn't care
crysta555 2 months ago
@crysta555 Obviously,you've never served. I am very proud of my 4 years on active duty, 8years in the reserves & 2 years teaching onboard US Navy ships. I am alsoproud that my father and my uncle fought against the Nazis-& risked their lives in the process.
kentamitchell 2 months ago
@kentamitchell
Are you proud that it was your own government that funded the war and nobody needed to be there and die needlessly,well the Nazi's are now in Washington without a bullet being fired well may be a few well placed one'd such as JFK.
1952YOU1320TUBE1952 2 months ago
@1952YOU1320TUBE1952 Yes, I am very proud that my father helped destroy Nazi Germany and repeatedly risked his life in the process.
Thanks for sharing (and get yourself a new tinfoil hat)
kentamitchell 2 months ago
@kentamitchell
It's all a game for the elite's and it will keep happening while people like you refuse to read their history,unless that is you like war's.google the Commitee of 300 or read
"The Confession's of an Economic Hitman" or "Trance the Formation of America".
1952YOU1320TUBE1952 1 month ago
@1952YOU1320TUBE1952 Try learning how to use an apostrophe.
kentamitchell 1 month ago
@kentamitchell
Ah the real issue an apostrophe, this is how flawed your thinking is, how brain washed you are,what a narrow lane you travel down, you’re just another anal grammar queen.canon fodder for the rich you won't be missed.
1952YOU1320TUBE1952 1 month ago
japan would have fought to the very last man, woman, and child before they would surrender. My Great- Great Aunt was from Tokyo and she said they would in her school how to use weapons such as sharpened poles and grenades to kill invaders. This is what guys like Tibbets was trying to prevent. Soldiers having to shoot a child who attacks them with a spear. It is unfortunate that many people including children had to die to end the deadliest conflict in human history
MrLeadfoot01 2 months ago
@MrLeadfoot01 Japanese were loyal to their Emperor and the War Council - they would have surrendered earlier as the Big Six in Japan wanted ever since Jan 1945 but were stiffled by Truman's idiotic insistence on the unconditional terms of surrender of Potsdam - as it turned out USA signed a conditional surrender on Sept 2 - work it our for yourself instead of all the myth bullshit about a land invasion of Japan
majorgeeek 2 months ago
Put an end to a war that was going to end soon and could not continue. I agree with what Gen. Douglas MacArthur believed as well as Nimitz and others, that Japan was already finished before the Hiroshima bomb was dropped and was a matter of time; thus, against the use of the A-Bomb over Japan. Japan was also in the process of suing for peace. Just before the Nagasaki bomb, the Japanese agreed to end the war. Was it really an act that ended the war; of a war, that was going to end soon anyhow?
kodachromefilm 2 months ago
@kodachromefilm Define "soon".J military leaders hoped to retain power thru a compromise peace.
"Those who seek to argue that Japan was ready to surrender before Hiroshima are peddlers of fantasies. True, the Tokyo leadership wanted peace, but on terms rightly unacceptable to the Allies" -Max Hastings "Retribution"p513
Before H&N J cbnt wanted status quo ante bellum
After H&N 1/2 j big 6 wanted
e remains absolute ruler
no occupation
j disarms self
war crimes trials only in j tribunals
kentamitchell 2 months ago
@kentamitchell Hastings also said "Japanese intransigence does not of itself validate the use of Atomic Weapons" - his book lacks critical analysis full of flimsy moral arguments for the atomic bombings - he is well known MacArthur basher not one mention in his book that Maca was dead set against the bombing of H & N - he even admits Hando wrote the reason for Japan's military surrender "it was the Russian invasion of Manchuria" - not da bombs ol bud
majorgeeek 2 months ago
@kentamitchell It's not being a peddler of fantasies to know Japan wasn't in any condition to continue to fight. Not only people who shaped the war agreed to that, but also the people who I personally knew that directly participated in the reconstruction of Japan also agree. The atomic bomb wasn't the only alternative to a swift end of the war.
kodachromefilm 2 months ago
@kodachromefilm Nocondition to continue to fight? Tell that to anybody who fought on Okinawa, in the Philippines or in Burma in 1945. They still had plenty of men & ammo- the J leadership still hoped tposalvage a compromise peace & retain power.
What better choice did Truman have?
kentamitchell 2 months ago
@kentamitchell tell the boys from Okinawa Truman was aware of the surrender offers by the Japanese and privately confessed that both atomic warfare as well as further conventional military operations were unnecessary for concluding the war in the Pacific.(H E Barnes) - historic articles verify the war in the Pacific could have been over by Spring'45 - Roosevelt sent thousands of American boys to needless deaths at Iwo Jima and Okinawa - & needless mass murders J civilians at H & N
majorgeeek 2 months ago
@kentamitchell Sure. Send me their emails, phone numbers, etc. Japan was in no condition to defend their homeland.
kodachromefilm 2 months ago
@kodachromefilm I highly recommend you read William Manchester's "Goodbye Darkness".He was a USMC rgt that fought on Okinawa 4-6/45 & took 81% casualties- he was wounded twice himself. His conclusion: "Thank God for the atomic bomb"
Okinawa was defended by 2 reinf j divisions. Kyushu's garrison 8/45 was *14* with more coming. J A&N had over 10k kamikazes to defend Kyushu.
kentamitchell 2 months ago
@kodachromefilm Try reading Richard Frank's "Downfall" or Max Hastings' "Retribution". Or just google "ketsu-go" & "DOWNFALL" by Dr. Jack Bauer.
kentamitchell 2 months ago
@kodachromefilm Ever heard of Vice Admiral Onishi? He was J Navy Deputy Chief of Staff. In mid45 he was arguing that if J was willing to sacrafice 20 million lives in "special attacks" victory was still attainable.
kentamitchell 2 months ago
great man
meronmotors 2 months ago
RIP. Thank you for finishing the war Japan started.
youngk9lover 2 months ago
RIP
0208dnyce 2 months ago
thank you man for ending the war
0208dnyce 2 months ago
my civil ethics teacher's father was a WWII veteran who faught the japs in the pacific, he's dead since last year, and I never got to met him, but if I had the chance to ask him, you think he would agree to this bombing after he killed jap soldiers?
MrShapiroman 2 months ago
Had there been no Pearl Harbor, there would have been no Hiroshima. Remember these words.
IT IS THE VETERAN, WHO SALUTES THE FLAG, AND WHOSE COFFIN IS DRAPED BY THE FLAG, WHO ALLOWS THE PROTESTER TO BURN THE FLAG.
432ps1 2 months ago
R.I.P
416thenomad 3 months ago
@416thenomad rip????? fuck !!! criminal
pichuchu1 3 months ago
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@pichuchu1 hi, you seemed to be one sided, unable to think critically. Thus you have a low IQ, probably borderline retarded or less.The Atomic bombs were more of a good thing because it reduced casualties for Americans in the long run and japs as well. Just think about that, the next agenda on the list was a FULL-SCALE INVASION OF JAPAN, which will cost more American lives. Yes, some japs, some innocent but vast majority guilty had to perish but it DID save LIVES. So Project Manhattan was good.
416thenomad 2 months ago
@pichuchu1 No Pearl Harbor=No Hiroshima. Paul Tibbets=American HERO!
432ps1 2 months ago
this blast save a lot of lives General Mc Arthur advice to do it otherwise we would end up with 1,000,000 casualties in our side and millions on their side even the japanese people appreciate in a mix emotions this act because back then they were brainwashed to fight to death against the americans theres nothing to regret this is war not sitting nations singing cumbaya wait for the next one its going to be worst
007ephraim 3 months ago 2
@007ephraim actually MacArthur was dead set against using the atomic bombs he said they had no military value - the Japs knew they were beaten months before the bombing and began surrender talks with the USA before the bombings - Truman stalled the process with his "unconditional surrender" while the Japs wanted their Emperor spared - Truman dropped the Abombs to stop the Soviet expansion in Europe and Asia - as it turned out Hirohito turned out to be USA best Allie after the war
majorgeeek 2 months ago
@007ephraim wrote "this blast save a lot of lives " prove it? - others have tried and couldn't - MacArthur has also been quoted for saying he was dead set against the bombing of Japan since the Japanese had already lost the war - it is perfectly reasonable to assume you have been brainwashed too and kept just like a mushroom - in the dark and fed on bullshit
majorgeeek 2 months ago
@007ephraim LOL@ nukes saving lives.
fuck your parents for raising such a brain deficient mongoloid for a son.
WinkyMaeve 2 months ago
@WinkyMaeve wtf this probally saved your grand parents
0208dnyce 2 months ago
@WinkyMaeve theres many like us and with our deficient brain we rule and your not thank God
007ephraim 2 months ago
@007ephraim @ImperialistRunningDo Hastings in his book Retribution p19 "Japanese intransigence does not of itself validate the use of Atomic Weapons" - Gen MacArthur and Admiral Leahy were both against the bombing of H & N - flimsy moral arguments with out any real analysis of the nuclear attack - Hirohito later wrote the reason for Japan's military surrender "it was the Russian invasion of Manchuria" - westerners didn' t realise the enormous Soviet victories over Kwantang Army
majorgeeek 2 months ago
@Majorgeeek Ok name a country that is taking LEGAL action, none. Japan stands no chance against America if it comes to a trial. But if Japan did start a war with America, I would be happy to let them chuck another Hydrogen Bomb in the mix. Thats my opinion you aint never gunna change that.
OneShotProjects 3 months ago
hell is hotter and last longer than the a-bombs rest in piss
lenn1200 3 months ago
RIP to a great war hero who helped end the war and Jap atrocities.
SuperYT4Ever 3 months ago
@SuperYT4Ever - Truman a war hero?? - is that what you call American war criminals??? - actually Truman's decision puts him in the same league with Stalin and Hitler - I suppose the Red Indian Genocide was also carried by heroes???
majorgeeek 3 months ago
@majorgeeek You for got to include Hirohito in the same league. As for genocide, Japs did or tried plenty themselves during their history, along with many nations all over the world, so don't single out the U.S. for nuking the savage Japs to end the war sooner, which it did, THANKFULLY.
SuperYT4Ever 3 months ago
@SuperYT4Ever the nuclear bombing of the Japanese WW2 was a mistake enacted in desperation since the Soviet 1.6 million army attacked and defeated the Japs august 1945 on mainland Asia - this single act crushed Hirohito more so than the a bombs - the USA at this stage used the secret weapon to show the Soviet to stay out of the Pacific which they immediately did - and for good reason - the USA mass murders of civilians in H & N are war crimes and need to be punished
majorgeeek 3 months ago
@majorgeeek I'd call it a brilliant American strategy.
SuperYT4Ever 3 months ago
@SuperYT4Ever dropping two nukes on Japan to keep out the Soviets and mass murder of up to 1 million civilians - you call that "brilliant American strategy" - .you are no better than Stalin or Hitler
majorgeeek 3 months ago
@majorgeeek Mass murdered 1 million civilians, you stupid turd. What facts you been reading, the bomb killed 140,000 people.
OneShotProjects 3 months ago
@OneShotProjects actual number of deaths by Dec 1945 was around 200, 000 and by 1950 this number had blown out due to deaths from radiation and fallout - even today the total estimate of deaths directly attributed to this bomb including children being born with Leukemia and cancers will reach 1 million - in any case this is mass murder regardless of your inane insults is a war crime
majorgeeek 3 months ago
@majorgeeek I do now that, ok lets put in in perspective, in 65 years 1 million people die due to nuclear deterances. More people die than that every year due to natural causes, oh yes and Nazis' killed 6 million in 6 years. MASS MURDER! IF IT WAS REALLY MASS MURDER YOU REALLY THINK NO COUNTRY (APART FROM JAPAN BUT THEY WILL NEVER DO ANYTHING TO AMERICA AGAIN) WOULD TAKE A STAND AGAINST IT. Nazi's caused mass murder, not America. America done what the world needed to do, end Japans reign.
OneShotProjects 3 months ago
@OneShotProjects mate - you cannot blow away two cities and its population of civilians, make the area radioactive which is still killing people today and expect to be applauded - the only applause will come from deviants, murderers and morally sick persons, perhaps Nazis and some commies may like you for it but is that what you want??? - this is a war crime as yet unpunished which only forces decent Americans to making feeble excuses
majorgeeek 3 months ago
@majorgeeek Name a country which has taken legal action against the nuclear bomb? Wait a minute you say 'war crime', what ever happens in war (apart from Nazi's) can be counted as war, therefore nothing is unfair in war. War is war, deal with it. I applaud the Nuclear Bomb, those Japanese won't argue with America any time soon.
OneShotProjects 3 months ago
@OneShotProjects another feeble minded excuse - if war is war then why were there Nuremberg trials? they were war crimes just like Hiroshima - the mass murder of hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians and their subsequent deaths from nuclear fallout is a blatant war crime - are not the Japanese people? one nation cannot take the law into its own hands and get away with it - many people and nations around the world are beginning to voice their concerns about USA war crimes in Japan
majorgeeek 3 months ago
@majorgeeek No Pearl Harbor=No Hiroshima. Paul Tibbets=American HERO!
432ps1 2 months ago
@432ps1 your comment is the most silliest thing I have heard on this topic - even Hastings wrote in his book Retribution - Japanese intransigence is no reason for using atomic bombs on Japan - in actual fact Tibbets is a mass murderer - he should have been dragged into the Tokyo War Crimes Trial along with all the Jap war criminals
majorgeeek 2 months ago
@majorgeeek You stupid, stupid fuck. Read your fucking history. You can start with: The rape of Nan-King, The Battle of the Solomans, Yap, Singapore, The Bataan Death March, Iwo Jima, Kamikazes, The Philippines, Korea, Burma, Nauru, Guadalcanal, Genocide, Rape, Torture. Go to the Pearl Harbor Memorial. Take a good long look at the names, you little puke fuck. These are the people that gave their lives so pathetic insects like you could open your ignorant shit filled mouths. Go fuck yourself.
432ps1 2 months ago
@majorgeeek The fucking japs were warned. FM&LB saved hundreds of thousands of AMERICAN lives. Tibbets is an American Hero. One of millions who defeated the Japs and the Nazis during WW2 so little adolescent puke fuck worm pussy faggots like you can sit around and express your uninformed stupid ass opinions. Go into a VFW or an American Legion post and try talking your shit to a few Marines, you cunt.
432ps1 2 months ago
@432ps1 Eisenhower told Truman he was opposed to the dropping the atom bomb on Japan. "I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary," and " by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that very moment, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of "face".
majorgeeek 2 months ago
@432ps1 USA was well aware Japanese Govt wanted to surrender and had other options even expeditious ones- dropping two nukes on civilian populations is not an option but a demonstration largely the result of the emerging Cold War and USA concerns over Soviet ambitions in Europe and Asia. Bombing H & N is mass murder of innocent civilians including the sacrificial offerings of Allied POW's held prisoner in those two cities -
majorgeeek 2 months ago
@majorgeeek The A-Bomb saved thousands of Allied and Japanese lives. WW2 is OVER, and Col. Tibbets will eternally be an American HERO. If he didn't pilot the plane, thousands of other pilots would have GLADLY flown the mission. You're argument is ignorant and irrelevant. Hitler and Tojo were both vanquished. End of Story.
432ps1 2 months ago
@432ps1 Winston Churchill also agreed it was not necessary to drop the atom bomb on Japan. He later asserted: "It would be a mistake to suppose that the fate of Japan was settled by the atomic bomb. Her defeat was certain before the bomb fell."Mainly historians have argued that the US used the atom bomb as a warning against the Soviet Union. It was not an attempt to end the war but to determine what happened after the war. If that is the case, the dropping of the bomb was a terrible war crime.
majorgeeek 2 months ago
@majorgeeek Churchill wasn't the President of the United States of America, was he asshole. Bombs away mutherfucker.
432ps1 2 months ago
@432ps1 The atomic bomb was a means of revenge on the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour.
Revenge is not strong enough of a reason to kill, injure and traumatize people, creating the terrible effects that no one desires. Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, if Russia had not entered the war, and if no invasion had been planned or contemplated.
MacArthur and D Eisenhower were also dead set against the bomb -
majorgeeek 2 months ago
@majorgeeek The truth is that you're just too fucking lazy to educate yourself or crack a fucking book. Get lost, Bozo.
432ps1 2 months ago
@majorgeeek Who the fuck is "Hastings" and why should anyone care? I'm GLAD we dropped the fucking bomb. Watching films of that mushroom cloud and knowing not one more drop of American blood was going to be spilled fighting the Japs is a thing of pure beauty. Go over to Pearl Harbor for Memorial Day 2012 and try to talk your trash in front of a room full of Marines, you fucking coward. You'll get a few well deserved boots up your ass. You're nothing but a punk and a coward. Now FUCK OFF!
432ps1 2 months ago
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@432ps1 "The lethal possibilities of atomic warfare in the future are frightening. My own feeling was that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make war in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying women and children."
-- Admiral William D Leahy, I Was There, pg. 441
majorgeeek 2 months ago
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@432ps1 "It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons.
-- William Leahy, I Was There, pg. 441
majorgeeek 2 months ago
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@432ps1 Japan's surrender on Aug 15 was due to the Soviet entry into the Pacific War on August 9 and their subsequent occupation of Manchuria by August 15. When Japan surrendered Hirohito's message to the military only included the Soviet declaration of war on Japan as the reason for Japan's surrender. No mention of atomic bombs was included in the script to the military.
majorgeeek 2 months ago
@432ps1 "punks and cowards" are mass murderers who drop atomic bombs on civilian non combatants - I do not condone the Jap atrocities but Japan's leaders were tried and hung at the Tokyo War Crimes trials - not one USA leader was brought before the tribunal to answer the mass murders of H & N - and if you think that is a good thing then you are no better than a swine herd Nazis - US marines do not behave in that manner - only drunkards
majorgeeek 2 months ago
@majorgeeek War will always be killing of children and everyone else. Always has been. Before Christ even. Nuclear weapons are killers of everyone they fall on. War is war. Point your finger at those who start war. Rulers, military men. Weapons are the tools of leaders to fight evil as they see it. Nuclear or otherwise, they dont care as long as they have them, they will use them.
L4DPlayer1000 2 months ago
@L4DPlayer1000 not any of the belligerent countries that participated in WW2 strategic bombings of civilian non combatants were ever tried for war crimes at Nuremberg or Tokyo - many of the vanquished leaders were tried and hung for war crimes and not one of the victors or leaders from USA was ever brought before the tribunals to answer for war crimes especially for the mass murders of civilians from the two nuclear attacks on Japan
majorgeeek 2 months ago
@432ps1 well I see you still hard at work making silly comments - tell us if Japan had dropped atomic bombs on two cities inside the USA and wiped out 300,000 innocent civilians you would be the first to cry war crime - hypocrite
majorgeeek 2 months ago
@majorgeeek You're the only silly one here, you sorry son of a bitch.The Japs murdered, tortured and raped MILLIONS of innocent civilians, but you don't give a fuck about them, do you, you fucking lowlife scumbag? The bombs were dropped. The war is over. The Japs lost. They won't be attacking Pearl Harbor or any place else ever again. GET OVER IT. Had there been no Pearl Harbor, there would have been no Hiroshima. Get that through your thick fucking skull.
432ps1 2 months ago
@majorgeeek The US did not carry out a sneak attack on Tokyo on 12-7-41, did they? It was THE OTHER WAY AROUND. And THAT sealed Japan's fate FOREVER.
432ps1 2 months ago
@SuperYT4Ever in August 1945, 1.6 million Soviet troops launched an attack on Japanese army occupying Asia. Within days, Hirohito's million-man army in the region collapsed.
It was a momentous turn on the Pacific battleground of World War II, yet one that would be largely eclipsed in the history books by the atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in the same week historians argue that the Soviet action served as effectively as — or possibly more than — the A-bombs in ending the war.
majorgeeek 3 months ago
this pilot of enola gay is a mass murderer - I am sure you will not find him in heaven
majorgeeek 3 months ago
@majorgeeek Don't confuse him with Stalin, Hitler, or Hirohito.
SuperYT4Ever 3 months ago
I met him at a Air Force Museum and found him to be a very nice gentleman with a very impressive personality. Was a pleasure to shake his hand..
meyer5515 3 months ago
FDR's comment and warning on the oil embargo '.....Now, if we cut the oil off, they probably would have gone down to the Dutch East Indies a year ago, and you would have had war. Therefore, there was—you might call—a method in letting this oil go to Japan, with the hope—and it has worked for two years—of keeping war out of the South Pacific for our own good, for the good of the defense of Great Britain and the freedom of the seas.'
dutchgoing 3 months ago
I saw Gen, Paul Tibbets when he was at an air show in 1995 or so. I was with my energetic son who was 3. We wandered, looking at static aircraft and were in awe of a P-51 fly by. Then, I turned around and saw an older gentleman in uniform, sitting alone under a canopy at a table. A banner identified him. We made eye contact, said nothing. I felt so completely humbled. I nodded at him, in thanks. He knew. Not one soul nearby. He then looked at my son, and smiled. I will remember. God bless him.
snarfinigus 3 months ago
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DeviousBetrayer 3 months ago
Thanks to God he lived. Thanks to God the US came up with the bomb before the japanese or Germans. Thanks to God for things that seem cruel, but in the end save more lives. How we are blamed for a war we did not start. On December 1941, the US Army was as small as Romania's Army and it was the largest branch of our armed forces. We were poor, economically in crises yet Japan struck us...at Peace. We asked them for years to get out of China and Manchuria. So...the bomb..God Bless
giannivee1 3 months ago
@giannivee1 The USA did NOTHING to help the Chinese in the 1930s and nothing to help the British, French and Dutch when the Japanese expanded in SE Asia. They only got involved in WW2 because of Pearl Harbour, which was in response to the oil embargo which FDR said would start a war. If you were a Muslim going on about God being on your side by way of justification for your rant about mass murder, people would think you a raving maniac. The USA resorted to terrorism you sicko.
dutchgoing 3 months ago
@dutchgoing You are wrong sir. The United States State Department, Under leadership of Cordell Hull, worked for years negotiating for China to get out of Manchuria. No, we weren't at war or sending supplies from the first. We were a nation at peace, yet we, in the midst of a worldwide economic depression, did not forget China, and kept up a barrage of communique's with Tokyo to get out of Manchuria. Also, the United States sent many Missionaries and Doctors to China. Sorry you never heard.
giannivee1 3 months ago
@dutchgoing LendLease March 11, 1941.
Once Japan occupied all of French Indochina, FDR ordered the oil embargo 7/25/41.
kentamitchell 3 months ago
@kentamitchell The Republicans demanded the embargo.
dutchgoing 3 months ago
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kentamitchell 3 months ago
@dutchgoing LOL! *Which* Republicans? Can you name *one* please?
Dean Acheson ordered the embargo & FDR refused to reverse that decision.
kentamitchell 3 months ago
@kentamitchell No I can't except to say that said Republicans were in Congress. Stop pretending that you know everything, you're pretentious and usually mis-represent things because you presume that other people never read anything ever.
dutchgoing 3 months ago
@dutchgoing ROZTFLMFAO! You are TOO FUNNY!
Actually, Republicans opposed almost all of FDR's prewar moves towards mobilization.
I do not pretend to know everything; however, i greatly enjoy exposing you as the complete ignoramous that you are.
kentamitchell 3 months ago
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dutchgoing 3 months ago
Sorry once again you are being dishonest in your discussion by generalising and talking about someting I wasn't even talking about to prove your point. That's a cheap little tactic of yours isn't it? FDR DID warn that the oil embargo would cause war by saying that it would have caused war if done earlier. The result was that the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbour. I'm hardly an ignoramous for reading the man's own words am I? You can't debate and you have to crow and insult people. Very nasty.
dutchgoing 3 months ago
@dutchgoing Yesterday, YOU stated "Republicans demanded the embargo". I asked you to name *one*- which apparently, you cannot do. YOU have egg on your face.
Mark Twain said it very well: "It ain't ignorance that's dangerous, its folks knowin' things that just ain't so"
kentamitchell 3 months ago
@kentamitchell And I replied the Republicans in Congress. Just because I can't name one off the top of my head doesn't refute the point. Again more cheap point-scoring from you, totally off-topic to show how right you are all the time. You really can't debate, got no manners and you come across as an utter smug buffoon. Mark Twain? Is that the best you can do? Sad little man you are. Why don't you read proper literature instead of a hick like him.
dutchgoing 3 months ago
@dutchgoing ROTFLMFAO!!! "Just because I can't name one off the top of my head..."? So I guess you can't be bothered to do a bit of research, can you? Is it ignorance? Is it apathy? It is BOTH!
HE DOES NOT KNOW & HE DOES NOT CARE!
Anyone with any motivation can soon discover that the Republican leadership in Congress (Taft, Borah, Wheeler) OPPOSED Lend-lease, the embargo, et. al.
kentamitchell 3 months ago
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AS A TURK I JUST WANT TO SAY I PRAY MANKIND NEVER REPEAT THIS TRADEGY AGAIN
edcboatman 3 months ago
The US military has a reputation for being a little bit gung-ho and trigger-happy to say the least....
h t t p : / / w w w .youtube.com/watch?v=VwwMF6biCJU&feature=related
dutchgoing 4 months ago
@dutchgoing You're more of a conspiracy nut, you take facts, fuck them up as opinions, and refuse to understand the big picture. You mush your face into that one little fact,one little corner, denying the real point and big picture. Its rather pathetic
DarPower1 4 months ago
a job is a.job
mejus16 4 months ago
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YOU CANT COMPARE ANYTHING TO THIS. THIS IS A SYSTEMATIC WAY OF EXTERMINATION. the fact that these weapons were developed and USED gave the possibility FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER,THAT EVERY LIVING ON THIS PLANET COULD BE DESTROYED WITH A PUSH OF A BUTTON!!!!!!. America not only mass murdered thousands of people but planted the seed for any other country to use nuclear weapons for their OWN just cause. HARRY TRUMAN IS THE GREATEST WAR CRIMINAL!!!
compooky 4 months ago
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HEY DUMBFUCK When the atomic bombs were dropped over 100,000 PEOPLE WERE OBLITERATED OUT OF THE FACE OF THE EARTH. ALL IN A MATTER OF SECONDS. THERE WERE NO BODIES TO BURY. And the number isn't including the thousands of survivals who died from radiation burns and cancer years later. Comparing Pearl Harbor to the atomic bombings is a fucking joke you DIPSHIT
compooky 4 months ago
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HEY DUMBFUCK When the atomic bombs were dropped over 100,000 PEOPLE WERE OBLITERATED OUT OF THE FACE OF THE EARTH. ALL IN A MATTER OF SECONDS. THERE WERE NO BODIES TO BURY. And the number isn't including the thousands of survivals who died from radiation burns and cancer years later. Comparing Pearl Harbor to the atomic bombings is a fucking joke you DIPSHIT
compooky 4 months ago
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White Americans go to church because they have a lot of sins in their lifetimes. Killing native americans, enslaving blacks, dropping atomic bombs toward human beings, invading innocent nations, and becoming fat. If jesus exists, he must punish them. Amen.
mcblackjesus 4 months ago
I feel that the pilot deserves to die, and I'm American.
Scoobusdobus22 4 months ago
@Scoobusdobus22 Let's se what you would do in that kind of situation the world was in back then.
onenutmonkey234 4 months ago
@onenutmonkey234 hmm..
Scoobusdobus22 4 months ago
@Scoobusdobus22 The person who ordered the attack should be blamed.
RyanJWN 4 months ago
You know what, everyone here is fighting with the japanese and against the japanese. And I'm going to stop it, like this: HEIL HITLER! Holocaust is was right! Hitler was a great man! I really think like this,
Horrorlord1 4 months ago
this is called "payback"
bojanglesme 5 months ago
RIP Paul Tibbets, you stopped the Japs from continuing their rampage!
God bless you.
Darkdrium 5 months ago
So what if Japanese die in our American prison camps! The kill numerous of our soldiers at Perl Harbor and during the war as well as the Germans with Hitler. They did not even treat our prisoners right and we are always observing the so call GENEVA Convention treaty. This Pilot and his14 man crew as well as the people that invented the Bomb and tested it, are our HEROES for Ever....... GOD BLESS AMERICA!
ssgmed2756 5 months ago
Fuck the Japs this guy is a hero.
BUDx2 5 months ago
fuck you americans they are killers
TheDaily365 5 months ago
It is important to understand that we lost more men taking the tiny island of Iwo Jima than D-Day and the conquest of Berlin combined
There were 25 million civilians on the Island of Japan that had vowed to the Emprorer that they would fight to the death before surrendering.
It was extimated that one million allied casualties would be experienced in taking Japan.
The Germans were happy to surrender. The Japanese had no comprehension of surrender.
mark0454 5 months ago
@mark0454 this you say is the truth.through no small part Iwo Jima is the tell on how this was all gonna turn out and after that we had no choice but to bomb.time was different -people were different.hopefully now more people are edjucated and that will never happen again.but human evil is always here ,by population there will be that percent-always. so stop having babies -reduce the goddamn population so some can live.Human s dont have the right to breed like rats. wake up -we re fucked
bowmaaker 4 months ago
listen he was just doing his job....... RIP
mejus16 5 months ago
@mejus16 So was Rudolf Hoess, probably the biggest executioner in history, just doing his job.
dutchgoing 4 months ago
rot in shit mass murderer
trey4439 5 months ago
I`m in Hiroshima right now. Checking out the peace museum, they tended to leave out a few important points, like failing to surrender after Hiroshima (but they left IN Barack Obama t-shirts - go figure.)
Pretty warm outside, but the scenery is gorgeous - and the people are fantastic, very friendly and smiling.
SCE2AUX 5 months ago
rot in hell motherfucker
shawnpurcee73 5 months ago
There will probably be Monday morning quarterbacking about this from now to the end of eternity.
brerrabbit77 6 months ago
If Hitler (or Stalin or Tojo) had developed nukes, they certainly would have used them. Fortunately, the Westerrn Allies won that race.
I'm not a supporter of the German cause, but anyone who condemns tanks because Guderian & Rommel made effective use of them is a real maroon.
kentamitchell 6 months ago
As late as August 9th, 1945, Japanese war minister Korechika Anami wanted to reject the Potsdam declaration calling upon Japan to surrender unless the Emperor system was retained, there be no large-scale occupation of Japan, and the Japanese preside over their own disarmament and conduct their own war crimes trials.
SCE2AUX 7 months ago
@SCE2AUX Which was totally unacceptable to the United States, good point.
MrMike3865 7 months ago
Those insisting that Japan’s surrender could have been procured without recourse to atomic bombs cannot point to any credible supporting evidence from the eight men who effectively controlled Japan’s destiny: the six members of the Supreme Council for the Direction of the War, Lord Keeper of the Privy Seal [Koichi] Kido, and the Emperor.”
SCE2AUX 7 months ago
"Revisionists proclaim that the Soviet declaration of war [not] the bombs, caused Japan to surrender. While this was an important setback to Japan, it did not come as a shock as did the bombs because the Japanese had been observing the Soviet buildup in the Far East for months." - Richard B. Frank "Downfall: The End of the Japanese Empire"
SCE2AUX 7 months ago
Certainly prior to 31 December 1945, and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated.
U.S. Strategic Bombing Survey's 1946 Study
dutchgoing 7 months ago
@dutchgoing And if a few thousand more Americans get killed in the interim, so much the better, eh?
Go fuck yourself.
SCE2AUX 7 months ago
@SCE2AUX Think you lost the debate didn't you and resorted to abuse. Pathetic. American life is not superior to other lives.
dutchgoing 7 months ago
@dutchgoing No, I have lost nothing. The abuse you recieve is well deserved. And American life is certainly more important than your nineteen year-old opinion.
SCE2AUX 7 months ago
@SCE2AUX I'm not 19. If you think an American life is more important than another life then you are a parochial person of restricted intelligence. Have you ever been outside of the USA?
dutchgoing 7 months ago
@dutchgoing When it comes to warfare, yes, the life of an American is more important than the life of our enemy. And I have probably spent more time outside the US than you have spent outside your country.
SCE2AUX 7 months ago
@SCE2AUX When the next 9/11 happens the USA won't be receiving quite as much sympathy from the world because it has realised that America via its neo-imperialist foreign policy over the years is no champion of freedom or fairness. Freedom simply means US interests, ie making a profit and stealing some oil. Stating that an American life is more important than any other means you are a parochial bigot. The further one travels, the less one really knows. Very true in your case.
dutchgoing 7 months ago
@dutchgoing Either you are being dishonest or you need work on your reading comprehension. Reread the following phrase: "When it comes to warfare, yes, the life of an American is more important than the life of our enemy."
As far as sympathy is concerned - when it comes to people like yourself - shove it.
SCE2AUX 7 months ago
@SCE2AUX Yes but what you are stating is not only dishonest it is elitist and very immoral. You would have done very well in Nazi Germany with views like that. I was reading about the very high civilian casualties in the outer Japanese islands. Seems the US troops just blew everybody away regardless of whether they were combatants or not, they did similar things in Germany. It makes me wonder what they were fighting for, certainly nothing to do with liberating the Japanese people perhaps.
dutchgoing 7 months ago
@dutchgoing You mean like the Japanese civilians who committed suicide on Saipan? In any case I'd be interested to here your source for the statement that "US troops just blew everybody away, regardless." And no, we were interested in DEFEATING Japan. Liberating Japan, Korea, the Phillipines and other Pacific nations was simply a pleasant bonus.
Would I be right to assume that you have no military experience at all?
SCE2AUX 7 months ago
@SCE2AUX "There was some return fire from a few of the houses, but the others were probably occupied by civilians – and we didn't care. It was a terrible thing not to distinguish between the enemy and women and children. Americans always had great compassion, especially for children. Now we fired indiscriminately." Feifer, George, The Battle of Okinawa, The Lyons Press (2001), p. 374 The U.S. Army figures for the campaign showed a total figure of 142,058 civilian casualties.
dutchgoing 7 months ago
@dutchgoing The government of Okinawa has built a memorial to all who died in the 1945 fighting. It has 240,734. Kyushu's garrison was >x10 larger- which gives a good indication what Operation OLYMPIC would have been like.
kentamitchell 7 months ago
@SCE2AUX I had relatives in mainland Europe who witnessed the advance of the US troops in 1945. Their comment always was that the Americans just killed everybody in their path. Americans have never experienced a war going on in their own community, they wouldn't be quite so casual about excusing the slaughter of thousands of ordinary people. 9/11 certainly woke them up. I've heard all about air raids from the family thanks & people not ever coming home, plenty of war stories thanks.
dutchgoing 7 months ago
@dutchgoing Really? Were they Nazi collaborators?
SCE2AUX 7 months ago
@SCE2AUX Probably. LOL!
kentamitchell 7 months ago
@SCE2AUX Your claim that my relatives in Europe were Nazi collaborators because they were in Europe, I didn't say which country did I, means you know nothing about WW2 or how it affected ordinary people and underlines your parochial American mentality which was formed by not having your community ever subjected to modern warfare. You are also ignorant of the fact that nearly all Americans have European roots. Shame on you for shooting yourself in the foot with that cheap jibe you dunce.
dutchgoing 4 months ago
@dutchgoing I claim that your relatives in Europe were Nazi collaborators because of their slanderous and vile comments about Allied soldiers. I am fully aware that most Americans have European roots. Once again you prove that you can't read with much comprehension at all - or at least you evaded my question about whether YOU - not your relatives have any experience at all. You also evade ALL of my previous points regarding the behavior of the Japanese civilians.
SCE2AUX 4 months ago
@SCE2AUX I answered all your comments about the behaviour of Japanese civiliians and I even provided references from at least one public work written by a US serviceman who was in the Pacific War. Saying that my relatives were Nazi collaborators when you don't even know which country they were in and know nothing about them is typical of your mudslinging debating tactics. The slander came from you.
dutchgoing 4 months ago