On Orientalism-Edward Said (3/4)

[Cerberus091]

Pause at 9:08

[MrThoughtforfood]

people who are arguing about islam being a religion (and not a race), thus rendering said's arguments irrelevant are ignorant fools that are focusing on semantics and words without thinking about the ideas behind his words. grow up, listen to the idea, not nitpick at the nouns he uses. grow up, learn something from him, and stop using the "islam is a religion, not a race" excuse to continue being ignorant

[maysaffar]

remarkable! is the one word that comes to mind. What a loss!

Long live the legacy of Edward Said!

Cheers!

[GreatGrumbledook]

Has anyone ever told him that he is a giggling imbecile?

[lasnasty]

after these bombings in 95 it turned out to be an american go figure

[nussbaum73]

@aficb **fellow man and woman, thanks

[DrSonus]

3:55 - in the center,that is MY SHEYKH! May Allah bless him!!

[0xFFF0]

no arabs - no terror

[Abhi01pyaar]

@0xFFF0

Just take a peek on the slave trade, so that you can see what terror your ancestors did for centuries.

[medoelkorsan]

5:20 so funny

[USMC2nd]

They werent just killing every Muslum in sight. just the ones that want to kill or maim "Westerners". Its the the goals of the media/action films to demonize the entire religion just the crazy bastards who want to kill Americans. We don't have problems with Muslims as a whole. Just the crazy sects that are bent on our destruction.

[sodiumfan]

i agree wholeheartedly with you, me and you share exactly the same ideologies, every single Muslim (and Jew for that matter) should be round up and killed, if you are interested there's some great talks on the subject, check out Abu Hamza - wise man

[Abhi01pyaar]

@sodiumfan

Did you count yourself you racist faggot? Screw you and all Arab haters, screw all racists.

The world is a place for all of us to live, white, black, red, yellow, Muslim, Christian, Jew, for all of us to share it. And if you can't afford such tolerance, to hell you and all those who think likewise, kaminey

[IcyNami]

Islam should be banned.

[haroonkhaleel]

That's an ignorant, narrow-minded, and racist statement. I hope you've studied the religion before basing your opinion(s) on generalizations or stereotypes.

[Abhi01pyaar]

@IcyNami

So should be whatever racist religion you believe in, retard

[GreatGrumbledook]

I'm afraid not, Said! Unfortunately, most of the sane people think that you're an utter prat! Ask them who they'd prefer to meet: Edward Said or the man, who cleans out the public toilets in Aberdeen, and they'd go for Wee Jock "Poo-Pong" McPlop every time.

[lozoft9]

@GreatGrumbledook So sane people doesn't refer to the vast majority of art history professors who absolutely LOVE "Orientalism"?

[FireEyedMaidOfWar]

@lozoft9: Well, but you see that every real historian thinks that this Said fellow is an extremely dull person. Most scholars describe him as an appallingly dull fellow, unimaginative, timid, lacking in initiative, spineless, easily dominated, no sense of humour, tedious company and irrepressibly drab and awful; and whereas in most professions these would be considerable drawbacks, in chartered accountancy they are a positive boon.

[furrydavee]

@FireEyedMaidOfWar the name says it all. Ever been near a war zone or just read about them in books? Like to leave absurd, faceless comments based on other people's opinions on youtube? How many books have you written? Have you influenced the worlds academia with a single book? Maybe, but more likely you're the sort who regurgitates quotes and philosophies without any citations so to make the credit your own. After taking a long hard look at yourself consider your ineffectuality.

[FireEyedMaidOfWar]

@furrydavee: But I,—that am not shap'd for sportive tricks, Nor made to court an amorous looking-glass; I, that am rudely stamp'd, and want love's majesty To strut before a wanton ambling nymph; I, that am curtail'd of this fair proportion, Cheated of feature by dissembling nature, Deform'd, unfinish'd, sent before my time Into this breathing world scarce half made up, And that so lamely and unfashionable That dogs bark at me as I halt by them;—

[FireEyedMaidOfWar]

@furrydavee: Why, I, in this weak piping time of peace, Have no delight to pass away the time, Unless to spy my shadow in the sun, And descant on mine own deformity: And therefore,—since I cannot prove a lover, To entertain these fair well-spoken days,— I am determined to prove a villain, And hate the idle pleasures of these days. Plots have I laid, inductions dangerous, By drunken prophecies, libels, and dreams

[furrydavee]

@FireEyedMaidOfWar I did Shakespeare when I was 15, the last point in this quote serves you best. "Conversation should be pleasant without scurrility, witty without affectation, free without indecency, learned without conceitedness, novel without falsehood." I used Google like you do. Grow up.

[FireEyedMaidOfWar]

@furrydavee: Well this Edward Said is just one of the all too many cases on our books of chartered accountancy. The only way that we can fight this terrible debilitating social disease, is by informing the general public of its consequences, by showing young people that it's just not worth it. So, so please give generously to this address: The League for Fighting Chartered Accountancy, 55 Lincoln House, Basil Street, London, SW3.

[indaminda]

aladdin!

[jblive1985]

this guy aint even muslim

[Kalydosos]

Edward Said totally misses the point that in the west the discourse is about physical difference or race.

Islam is a religion, but treated in terms of race most people don't realize this. Western slavery and colonialism has touched all humans negatively in my small view.

[Kalydosos]

A a good straight to the point comment I agree with you.

[Kalydosos]

Scientific Racism & Orientalisms roots can be found in the successful European conquests of Africa and Asia.

Particularly by the French & British "Now we've conquered these people lets study them"

[Jakneife]

Finally commenting after getting through part 3. This is a great interview. Makes me wish Christopher Hitchens would view it.

[sirnikita]

Edward Said has an amazingly soothing voice... he's the Morgan Freeman of academia

[chris14091975]

yup, i really miss his articles...

too bad he is dead, i loved reading him

[shirleygene]

Hmmm, but you can't expect the media to ignore such images.

[sootyandsweep]

LOL, ignore such images? Aladdin?

Go have look at some images of America's wars and it's own history.

[djnecho]

what year was this program made?

[intifada1989]

I think it was 1999, a few years before Said dies.

[ayri0]

Did Dr. Said switch to Arabic for a split second at 07:04? I think he said, "*ma* most of them are dictatorships..." That "ma" is Arabic. Does anyone know if he still spoke Arabic in his adulthood?

[tanjerinaaa11]

yes he spoke Arabic in his adult hood

if u can type his name in arabic ull find an interview of him in arabic where he spoke mixed palestinian and egyptian dialects ..

[r18m1a81]

Sut Jhally: Beautiful narration :)

Edward Said was and still is a great Palestinian intellect and his works will forever live on.

[Jrotten11]

Actually after WW2 a number of former nazi scientists were brought to the United States.

[aficb]

you are utterly disgusting. all people have the capacity to be violent and hateful as u hav jus shown urself (with ur racist attitudes towards muslims). but all people have the capacity to be tolerant human beings and i honestly hope that u, and people like u would stop the racisim, and the hatred and trat your fellow man with respect.

[jblive1985]

how can u be racist against muslims when muslims arent a race

[Kalydosos]

Idiot!

[jblive1985]

how am i and idioit muslim isnt a race if u mean arab say arab n besides arabs are a branch of the caucusiod race

[zoso70]

You're an idiot because you misspelled idiot and added a d to an.

[someguy2525]

so true

[8data]

Ahab lixe anger

at the world

great line

still true about any young white guy

with dim prospects or perceived to be dim, that is

[8data]

If people are interested in his worx, also chec out Ira Lapidus

remember that Great Britain was created by Phoenicians

The Middle East is a vital part of the world and the industrialization processes of the world

Military budget-so prescient

[BattleAngel]

Media response to Okalahoma Bombing: whoops! hardy har har look at that! we westerners did it again! it wasn't a savage arab terrorist it was a poor misguided white youth... aww... that poor thing!

[5bye7]

FUCK everyone

[falstaffswims]

5bye7 has summed up, with astonishing eloquence, the most stubborn symphony of voices against reason. I think his comment should remain visible as a refinement of everything we have to struggle against, so I'm thumbs-upping it.

[falstaffswims]

Holy Jesus Christ, you're an idiot, 5bye7.

[5bye7]

i am not an idiot, i am just sick of my english professor jamming all this liberal stuff into my brain. you have no idea man

[spacecricket]

Arab Muslims as irrational, ignorant, and violent savages for whom persuasive discourse remains ineffectual? Poppycock!

[rodeo179]

a great intellectual who revolutionized the studies of Orientals

[hash52]

The irony here is Edgardomoreno uses the word "naive" to describe Dr.Said's observation & analysis. You leave me speechless....

[cambo686]

i believe the most amazing thing about these videos is that it was made before 9/11. We can see all of the hidden racism even more, post 9/11, than after the Oklahoma City bombing

[edgardomoreno]

i don't like u.s. or isreali policy in the middle east but mr.said does come accross as rather naive in hindsight. his opinions are not based on reality but ideology.

[ecallender]

These are not opinions. They are observations backed by source material which is clearly shown in the video. That would called reality, assuming you subscribe to the notion of empirical thought.

[edgardomoreno]

i don't subscribe to 'empirical thought'.

i believe that most observations are coloured by ideology. although his work was seminal at the time. the documentary's critism of the previous bombing of the world trade center seem naive in hindsight. i am sorry you don't agree.

[asier71]

I am not sure I even understand you, naive how? I am completely lost on how anything he's said so far has any bearing on 9/11. Although, it's fairly obvious how it colored our response.

I am not dismissing your argument, and I would like to be more clear about exactly what your advocating.

[edgardomoreno]

to ridicule the man who talks about a possible bombing of the trade center as part of a racist canon in the U.S. fixated on radical islam seems naive due to the fact that the man was right. radical islam is a danger to all of us as is any type or orthodox religion.

[FuriousBataille]

instead of commenting on the tendency for people to not make actually argument on youtube i will just do an amusing thought experiment.

You do not believe in empirical thought therefore you see bread and say "this looks like bread, it has all the properties bread has had in the past but i am not rational a priori sure it is bread, hence it is not bread and i will not eat it"

the height of epistemological naivety. i consider it impossible for anyone to truly hold such denial of empirical thought

[Lifestream]

In not subscribing to "empirical thought" you have entirely thrown the baby out with the bathwater. This is akin to subscribing to another ideology.

Furthermore what he talks about isn't ideological. One cannot escape completely the colors of their experience but they can refine their positions and understandings in different ontological and epistemological frameworks. Mr. Said clearly shows what sociologists call, in identity formation, the identity of the other. This is a very powerful concept