Right now how much of your health care dollar is going to health care, and how much is going to pay all the extra people in the doctors office he has to hire just to handle all the insurance paper work. Not to mention the insurance company people to handle paper work.
There is some doctors that don't take insured patients, they were able to lower their prices so low they had all the patients they wanted and made more money than they did from insurance. Something to think about.
No, the military power and oppression is more rightfully called totalitarianism, or authoritarianism. Fascism more than simple authoritarianism, it's a right-wing authoritarian state, where government and aristocratic wealth and business interests join up. Much like communism (as a political ideology) ends up as a left-wing authoritarian state. America has been becoming more and more fascist ever since WWII, and the political ideology of the Republican leadership is, in practice, very fascist.
...cont... Consider a little internet research on the terms, "totalitarian", "authoritarian", and "fascism". Wikipedia seems to have good entries on all three.
Now, some people argue that fascism is more politically center than right, and that may be true. It is important to note that fascism maintains power by appealing to the middle-class and lower middle class with propaganda, while merging the government with the big corporations. Note that this is what the American system has been doing.
OK, I misspoke. "Anti-Healthcare-reform" which is clearly you, after looking at a few of your videos.
Look, I don't like the idea of the government telling us what to do either, but I'm not going to be pathological about that ideal. When what we have is totally broken, it needs to be fixed. Think for a second, the drop in Obama's poll numbers has nothing to do with people like you. You never approved of him. The drop is lefties disappointed that the current reform efforts don't go far enough.
LOL! You obviously don't want a debate. You are obviously exactly one of the people I discussed in this video. You have a channel FULL of ignorant misinformation, and when more liberal people arrive to call you on it, you close the comments. I suppose that's par for the course for a tool of the fascists like yourself. I invite you to spew your vile bile here, so that we can deconstruct it it publicly, since you want to hide from dissent from your opinions.
Nazi? I thought he was KKK. (Knucklehead Knocking Knowers) I'm not a big fan of Socialized medicine for several reasons, but, you're right. There's no debate. Government seems addicted to the kind of scare tactics you just outlined. Do you recall anything they've done that didn't use it?
The most horrible aspect of this is...it works. I was stopped on the street today by someone handing me a pamphlet that told me that Obama is going to kill my grandmother. Amazing, I asked if she literally read that in the healthcare bill and she said "Yes! Its all true!" Socialized national healthcare was killed, its dead, the program they are talking about now is made so the insurance companies get paid. It may be all inclusive, but it is not socialist, call it fascist-lite.
All of us that live in countries with public funded healthcare don't know what a "death panel" is. How can the richest country on this planet justify not providing universal healthcare?
Obama originally proposed both a single payer system ("medicare for all") and a "public option". He hasn't publicly proposed a "forced purchase" plan. That plan is proposed by the "moderates from both parties". I don't support that plan because, as you say, it's just another money transfer to the already stupidly rich insurance industry, an industry that siphons as much as 35% of every healthcare dollar spent into profits, while denying any claim they can, bankrupting their customers.
I have not seen any evidence to support that claim that wasn't obviously forged. If you think you have evidence that all the following people and records are lying, part of a vast conspiracy to put Obama into office, please provide it.
The Hawaii officials: Secretary of state, state clerk, director of the Dept. of health, and governor, as well as the OB/Gyn who delivered him, and the 2 newspapers who published birth announcements, and more...
I'm not sure these 500 letter replies are sufficient for this debate.
Also, it isn't important enough to me to invest myself in it.
Obama is talented, intelligent, well-spoken and I think has a gift for bringing people together. Something that Bush/Cheney and McCain/Palin could never do.
That's why I voted for him even though I harbor doubts about is legal standing as a natural born citizen.
you are completely and utterly uninformed. what you think obama is pushing for is actually not what obama is pushing for, but a strawman being set up by the right-wing neo-fascist nutjobs.
obama is pushing for a public option, which would obviously NOT be PRIVATE but PUBLIC. an alternative that you can opt in. its incredible how uninformed people turn out to be when the US mainstream media completely censors the topic and NEVER explains even the most basic definitions. depressing.
I thought you left us. I'm glad to see you are still here.
I am familiar with the public option. I am also aware that the public option is not nationalized healthcare either.
European-style healthcare has never been on the table.
I'm not so sure that the so-called public option was ever anything more or less than cannon foder. Perhaps Obama was sincere, but I never doubted that it would be dropped in favor of compulsory private coverage.
actually i decided not to leave, but then i had some medical problems and so much to do in reallife that i couldnt do much on youtube.
compulsory private coverage would be a complete failure, but i think what obama tries to do really is a public option of some sort. they talk about US healthcare politics on DemocracyNow a lot, and if obama would have already failed and would go for the compulsary private coverage nonsense they surely would have mentioned it, but i might be wrong.
It really makes me happy to have you here commenting on my itty-bitty channel. :)
But on the topic at hand: Our political problems here are highlighted by the fact that you are more up on what is happening here from Germany than most of my fellow US citizens are... And it directly affects us, and only indirectly affects you... A sad commentary on my fellow americans...
i think the same is true in germany for those people that only follow corporate media. maybe its a global problem. it just shows that more US people need to watch alternative news media like TheRealNews or DemocracyNow. in germany we have some public media that is being funded by a special kind of tax, it helps a lot, basically they just do better quality more independent TV and radio channels that have almost no advertisement.
Would HR3200, America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009, be the bill that best expresses the likely laws that will be implemented?
HR3200 (I just read it) mandates that individiuals obtain acceptable health insurance and punishes those who fail to do so. I call that compulsory health coverage.
Where are 40 million Americans who do not qualify for Medicare and Medicaid and who don't have an employer plan going to buy this insurance?
HR3200 might be likely, but I do not support it. if it passes, it will only exacerbate the problems in our system. IMO. the problem with the current system IS insurance.
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I just finished looking over your channel, in the interest of getting a better handle on what position you were speaking from. I now know that any disagreement we have is small, and not in basic philosophy. Subscription added. I look forward to hearing whatever you talk about next.
I'm concerned! The reason I'm concerned isn't the right-wing, conservative, evangelical nut-jobs who oppose everything Obama.
The reason I'm concerned is that compassionate liberals keep thinking of European-style socialized medicine or at least as a first step toward a Medicaid style program to cover everyone (universal coverage).
What is going to happen IMO is facist-style compulsory participation in a health care model that 2/3rds goes to a few rich people.
The so-called public option is dead in the water. It has been replaced with some kind of insurance exchange where people who don't qualify for Medicare/Medicaid or Employer coverage can go and select a qualifying PRIVATE insurance company plan.
People in some lower income brackets will qualify for subsidies but others will just pay insurance premiums.
This plan compels employers and individuals who already pay taxes to also buy PRIVATE health insurance for non-Medicare/Medicaid individuals
zthustra: if what you say is correct, and it seems plausible, then i agree, there is a problem here and obama has failed.
but the impression i got is that there is a shitty bipartisan piece of legislation that is being discussed by some people in both parties, and a better one that could actually be called "public option" also seems to be alive with democrat support.
Remember, US taxpayers already pay more per capita for healthcare than taxpayers in Canada, the UK, Sweden or Germany. On top of this US taxpayers (indivuduals and businesses) where individuals do not qualify for Medicare, Medicaid or military care must also pay for PRIVATE insurance.
And even after US citizens have paid more taxes to support health care per capita and paid heft insurance premiums, many services are not covered and must be paid for out-of-pocket.
That's why US health care, government and private paid combined, costs three times as much as UK health care per capita for essentially the same health care services.
That isn't going to change because of this health care reform bill, all this does is compel us to jump on the merry go round and play.
Considering the sheer drivel that certain parties spouted during the Proposition 8 fiasco, the deployment of such hyperbolic nonsense with regards to health care reform doesn't surprise me in the least. There seems to be a particular vocal part of the right wing in the U.S.who rely exclusively on rhetoric and hyperbole: let's throw enough shit and see how much sticks. Unfortunately, there are far too many who tribalistically identify as "conservative," "republican," and/or "right wing..."
...who refuse to question or challenge this nonsense that is ultimately corroding their ideological position through its absurdity for fear of diluting their own sense of tribalistic self definition. Beneath the veneer of sophistication, it is a very basic, dirty and evolutionarily retarded status quo.
The whole drama makes me sick :S The first thing they will label you if you voice the opinion that everyone should be able to get healthcare, you get called a "liberal, socialist, communist"... Its libs vs cons. This black and white view of everything is ridiculous. Oh yes, obama is called many things: NAZI HITLER Socialist Communist Facist Murderer Elitist Muslim How many americans still support this guy, and how big a portion agree with his healthcare option?
"How many americans still support [Obama], and how big a portion agree with his healthcare option? " -- TurboDaily
That's kinda hard to pin down, but looking at the latest polling data, it appears to me that he still has the support of the majority, with job approval ratings over 50%. His approval rating HAS dropped a lot, but it appears to me that the biggest drop affecting his overall approval is among progressives who are disappointed in the apparent lack of progress on healthcare reform.
Good Points! You told it like it is...
MrSool15 1 year ago
Right now how much of your health care dollar is going to health care, and how much is going to pay all the extra people in the doctors office he has to hire just to handle all the insurance paper work. Not to mention the insurance company people to handle paper work.
There is some doctors that don't take insured patients, they were able to lower their prices so low they had all the patients they wanted and made more money than they did from insurance. Something to think about.
HHOinfo 2 years ago
i thought fascism was when the ruler used military power to suppress and oppress and enforce their will on the populace?
Ch35h1r3C47 2 years ago
No, the military power and oppression is more rightfully called totalitarianism, or authoritarianism. Fascism more than simple authoritarianism, it's a right-wing authoritarian state, where government and aristocratic wealth and business interests join up. Much like communism (as a political ideology) ends up as a left-wing authoritarian state. America has been becoming more and more fascist ever since WWII, and the political ideology of the Republican leadership is, in practice, very fascist.
renegade4dio 2 years ago
...cont... Consider a little internet research on the terms, "totalitarian", "authoritarian", and "fascism". Wikipedia seems to have good entries on all three.
Now, some people argue that fascism is more politically center than right, and that may be true. It is important to note that fascism maintains power by appealing to the middle-class and lower middle class with propaganda, while merging the government with the big corporations. Note that this is what the American system has been doing.
renegade4dio 2 years ago
There is no 'Anti-Healthcare' side.
RevolutionOfCG 2 years ago
OK, I misspoke. "Anti-Healthcare-reform" which is clearly you, after looking at a few of your videos.
Look, I don't like the idea of the government telling us what to do either, but I'm not going to be pathological about that ideal. When what we have is totally broken, it needs to be fixed. Think for a second, the drop in Obama's poll numbers has nothing to do with people like you. You never approved of him. The drop is lefties disappointed that the current reform efforts don't go far enough.
renegade4dio 2 years ago
LOL! You obviously don't want a debate. You are obviously exactly one of the people I discussed in this video. You have a channel FULL of ignorant misinformation, and when more liberal people arrive to call you on it, you close the comments. I suppose that's par for the course for a tool of the fascists like yourself. I invite you to spew your vile bile here, so that we can deconstruct it it publicly, since you want to hide from dissent from your opinions.
renegade4dio 2 years ago
Nazi? I thought he was KKK. (Knucklehead Knocking Knowers) I'm not a big fan of Socialized medicine for several reasons, but, you're right. There's no debate. Government seems addicted to the kind of scare tactics you just outlined. Do you recall anything they've done that didn't use it?
RichardRoy2 2 years ago
The most horrible aspect of this is...it works. I was stopped on the street today by someone handing me a pamphlet that told me that Obama is going to kill my grandmother. Amazing, I asked if she literally read that in the healthcare bill and she said "Yes! Its all true!" Socialized national healthcare was killed, its dead, the program they are talking about now is made so the insurance companies get paid. It may be all inclusive, but it is not socialist, call it fascist-lite.
erkd1 2 years ago
All of us that live in countries with public funded healthcare don't know what a "death panel" is. How can the richest country on this planet justify not providing universal healthcare?
Opl65 2 years ago
Does Obama want to kill old people? No
Is Obama a Nazi? No
Was Obama born in Kenya? Probably
Is Obama proposing nationalized health care? No, his proposal compels 40 million American to purchase private health insurance or be punished.
Are insurance companies funding the opposition? No, they are salivating at the prospect of 40 million new insurance policies being sold.
Is the US facism-lite? Yes
Are right-wing, evangelical, conservatives mostly neo-facist nut jobs? Yes!
zthustra 2 years ago
Obama originally proposed both a single payer system ("medicare for all") and a "public option". He hasn't publicly proposed a "forced purchase" plan. That plan is proposed by the "moderates from both parties". I don't support that plan because, as you say, it's just another money transfer to the already stupidly rich insurance industry, an industry that siphons as much as 35% of every healthcare dollar spent into profits, while denying any claim they can, bankrupting their customers.
renegade4dio 2 years ago
"Was Obama born in Kenya? Probably" -- zthustra
I have not seen any evidence to support that claim that wasn't obviously forged. If you think you have evidence that all the following people and records are lying, part of a vast conspiracy to put Obama into office, please provide it.
The Hawaii officials: Secretary of state, state clerk, director of the Dept. of health, and governor, as well as the OB/Gyn who delivered him, and the 2 newspapers who published birth announcements, and more...
renegade4dio 2 years ago
I'm not sure these 500 letter replies are sufficient for this debate.
Also, it isn't important enough to me to invest myself in it.
Obama is talented, intelligent, well-spoken and I think has a gift for bringing people together. Something that Bush/Cheney and McCain/Palin could never do.
That's why I voted for him even though I harbor doubts about is legal standing as a natural born citizen.
zthustra 2 years ago
zthustra:
you are completely and utterly uninformed. what you think obama is pushing for is actually not what obama is pushing for, but a strawman being set up by the right-wing neo-fascist nutjobs.
obama is pushing for a public option, which would obviously NOT be PRIVATE but PUBLIC. an alternative that you can opt in. its incredible how uninformed people turn out to be when the US mainstream media completely censors the topic and NEVER explains even the most basic definitions. depressing.
kurtilein3 2 years ago
kurtilein3
I thought you left us. I'm glad to see you are still here.
I am familiar with the public option. I am also aware that the public option is not nationalized healthcare either.
European-style healthcare has never been on the table.
I'm not so sure that the so-called public option was ever anything more or less than cannon foder. Perhaps Obama was sincere, but I never doubted that it would be dropped in favor of compulsory private coverage.
zthustra 2 years ago
zthustra:
actually i decided not to leave, but then i had some medical problems and so much to do in reallife that i couldnt do much on youtube.
compulsory private coverage would be a complete failure, but i think what obama tries to do really is a public option of some sort. they talk about US healthcare politics on DemocracyNow a lot, and if obama would have already failed and would go for the compulsary private coverage nonsense they surely would have mentioned it, but i might be wrong.
kurtilein3 2 years ago
kurtilein3--
It really makes me happy to have you here commenting on my itty-bitty channel. :)
But on the topic at hand: Our political problems here are highlighted by the fact that you are more up on what is happening here from Germany than most of my fellow US citizens are... And it directly affects us, and only indirectly affects you... A sad commentary on my fellow americans...
renegade4dio 2 years ago
renegade4dio:
i like your channel :)
i think the same is true in germany for those people that only follow corporate media. maybe its a global problem. it just shows that more US people need to watch alternative news media like TheRealNews or DemocracyNow. in germany we have some public media that is being funded by a special kind of tax, it helps a lot, basically they just do better quality more independent TV and radio channels that have almost no advertisement.
kurtilein3 2 years ago
Would HR3200, America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009, be the bill that best expresses the likely laws that will be implemented?
HR3200 (I just read it) mandates that individiuals obtain acceptable health insurance and punishes those who fail to do so. I call that compulsory health coverage.
Where are 40 million Americans who do not qualify for Medicare and Medicaid and who don't have an employer plan going to buy this insurance?
That's right, private insuance companies.
zthustra 2 years ago
HR3200 might be likely, but I do not support it. if it passes, it will only exacerbate the problems in our system. IMO. the problem with the current system IS insurance.
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I just finished looking over your channel, in the interest of getting a better handle on what position you were speaking from. I now know that any disagreement we have is small, and not in basic philosophy. Subscription added. I look forward to hearing whatever you talk about next.
renegade4dio 2 years ago
Thanks for the sub!
I'm concerned! The reason I'm concerned isn't the right-wing, conservative, evangelical nut-jobs who oppose everything Obama.
The reason I'm concerned is that compassionate liberals keep thinking of European-style socialized medicine or at least as a first step toward a Medicaid style program to cover everyone (universal coverage).
What is going to happen IMO is facist-style compulsory participation in a health care model that 2/3rds goes to a few rich people.
zthustra 2 years ago
The so-called public option is dead in the water. It has been replaced with some kind of insurance exchange where people who don't qualify for Medicare/Medicaid or Employer coverage can go and select a qualifying PRIVATE insurance company plan.
People in some lower income brackets will qualify for subsidies but others will just pay insurance premiums.
This plan compels employers and individuals who already pay taxes to also buy PRIVATE health insurance for non-Medicare/Medicaid individuals
zthustra 2 years ago
zthustra: if what you say is correct, and it seems plausible, then i agree, there is a problem here and obama has failed.
but the impression i got is that there is a shitty bipartisan piece of legislation that is being discussed by some people in both parties, and a better one that could actually be called "public option" also seems to be alive with democrat support.
kurtilein3 2 years ago
Remember, US taxpayers already pay more per capita for healthcare than taxpayers in Canada, the UK, Sweden or Germany. On top of this US taxpayers (indivuduals and businesses) where individuals do not qualify for Medicare, Medicaid or military care must also pay for PRIVATE insurance.
zthustra 2 years ago
And even after US citizens have paid more taxes to support health care per capita and paid heft insurance premiums, many services are not covered and must be paid for out-of-pocket.
That's why US health care, government and private paid combined, costs three times as much as UK health care per capita for essentially the same health care services.
That isn't going to change because of this health care reform bill, all this does is compel us to jump on the merry go round and play.
zthustra 2 years ago
Wahy the fuck dot they look at Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Switzerland, England, France, Germany, Hungary and so on..
The right wingers making this propaganda are such unempathatic assholes it is beyind belief.
Sounds like they use Goebells methods.
Vogter2100 2 years ago
Argui9ng fantasies is ahwt Foebells did and he was fecking good at it. A typical right wing fascist wasy of 'debating'. 'They' do it here too.
Vogter2100 2 years ago
And then they call their opponents "nazis" as they act like fascists.
renegade4dio 2 years ago
No shit. They are the ones using nazi methods and rhethorics!
Vogter2100 2 years ago 2
Considering the sheer drivel that certain parties spouted during the Proposition 8 fiasco, the deployment of such hyperbolic nonsense with regards to health care reform doesn't surprise me in the least. There seems to be a particular vocal part of the right wing in the U.S.who rely exclusively on rhetoric and hyperbole: let's throw enough shit and see how much sticks. Unfortunately, there are far too many who tribalistically identify as "conservative," "republican," and/or "right wing..."
ExaggeratedElegy 2 years ago 2
...who refuse to question or challenge this nonsense that is ultimately corroding their ideological position through its absurdity for fear of diluting their own sense of tribalistic self definition. Beneath the veneer of sophistication, it is a very basic, dirty and evolutionarily retarded status quo.
ExaggeratedElegy 2 years ago 2
I totally agree with every word George.
Vogter2100 2 years ago
TurboDally 2 years ago
"How many americans still support [Obama], and how big a portion agree with his healthcare option? " -- TurboDaily
That's kinda hard to pin down, but looking at the latest polling data, it appears to me that he still has the support of the majority, with job approval ratings over 50%. His approval rating HAS dropped a lot, but it appears to me that the biggest drop affecting his overall approval is among progressives who are disappointed in the apparent lack of progress on healthcare reform.
renegade4dio 2 years ago