Torture Can Never Be Justified

[33guyfawkes]

torture is cool! human rights suck!

[TBird4490]

Torture is never justified? Somebody obviously doesn't know who Jack Bauer is.

[cmadison93]

People have become desensitized to the well being of others. It's tragic to observe the total lack of care, lack of respect for human life.

[1hogfan83]

you people make me sick. any of these "people" would slit your throat at a moments notice. they are not u.s. citizens, therefor they do not have citizen rights. these interogations have saved thousands of lives, even obama was caputured. stupid tree huggers. 3:10 "all i want is to be on my own" i bet you do, to send a car bomb down wall street. jimmy carter was one of, it not the worse presidents ever. what about babies rights? they're murdered!!! hipocrites!

[irishgodfatherchris]

@1hogfan83 they have rights, would you like me to waterboard you, the point that he's making is that the torture of another human being is unacceptable regardless of who they are. People who are tortured will say anything to make it stop

[cmadison93]

@1hogfan83

"I’m concerned about a better world [...] about justice [...] about brotherhood [...] about truth. And when one is concerned about that, he can never advocate violence. For through violence you may murder a murderer, but you can’t murder murder. Through violence you may murder a liar, but you can’t establish truth. Through violence you may murder a hater, but you can’t murder hate through violence. Darkness cannot put out darkness; only light can do that." MLK

[nicesocialgirl]

No killing, abusing, or neglecting/denying each prisoner of access to daily minimum: 3cup veggies, 2cup fruit, 4oz whole grain, 1cup beans, 1.5oznuts, #of calories/height, air quality index 0-50, 8teaspoon toothpaste, floss, healthcare. Sanitation, 5 gallon safe to drink water: heats to 80+degress, cools to 60-, shelter: heats to 68+, cools to 80-, bed, clothes shoes, noise 0-85db

[xixas15]

ok, so lets think for a while. there's a bomb threat and the terrorist is captured. he knows where the bombs are located, and by locating them we're able to save thousands. are you gonna tell me that torture isnt acceptable then?

[irishgodfatherchris]

@xixas15 this person regardless of who they are has rights that are protected by local and international laws

[vegatrev]

Read the story of Victor Jare of Chile an activst and singer who was tortured and killed by the Pinochet regime. It is heartbreaking and if you have any emotion of any kind it will make you cry.

[joshjhutton]

Torture isnt good enough. These terrorists need to be placed in buidings and have planes fly into them. Then let their family walk around looking for them for weeks.

[ccmm53095]

@joshjhutton

What they did does not vindicate us in doing the same which makes your line of reasoning entirely fallacious. Many of these "terrorists" tortured had no links to terrorist networks, let alone the attacks on 9/11. We are the reason as to why they hate us to begin with. Had it not been for all of the repressive terrorist regimes we had worked to ligitimize abroad, we would not be under the threat of terrorism to being with. The chickens came home to roost, so to speak.

[joshjhutton]

They hated us before the torture. They hated us for (the west) for hundreds of years. Kill em all I say. This didn't start at 911, how ignorant you sound.

[ccmm53095]

@joshjhutton

First off, I am aware that this did not start at 9/11. I was just saying that torture was not vindicated by any means, and if you examine the history behind some of the troubles we are facing in the Middle East, you will find that some of them stem from US supporting terrorist regimes in that region, such as the Shah of Iran, who killed thousands of his people.

[joshjhutton]

If torturing a terrorist would save the lives of your family, then I say go at it. Your perception of this entire conflict is diluted by left wingg propaganda. Best to just kill em now, then to have our grandchildren fighting this war later. Even if we stop, they won't.

[ccmm53095]

@joshjhutton

Your perception of this entire conflict is diluted either by right wing propaganda or by some faulty form of logic. It is a resentment of past and present US involvement in the Muslim world. If you research these terrorist groups, you will find that their resentment of our presence there is one of the driving forces behind their actions.

[joshjhutton]

It is you my friend who has some form of diluted perception. Thinking that this all began with some warped form of US policy and that it could have been prevented. The US didn't have anything to do with how the Muslim world thinks. Ever hear of the Crusade?. Did you know that the are of the middle east was a British colony? They hate because its their religion to hate, and no western policy will change that.

[dork0616]

if you are a terrorists then you have no human rights. you deserve to be tortured.

[axis6000]

@dork0616 lol, you clearly are a product of american propaganda. think for yourself.

[dork0616]

@axis6000 dam right!

[riverwoodyt]

Torture IS terrorism. Very few of the torture victims in Guantanamo are guilty of anything, as is proved by the fact that the vast majority have been cleared for release without charge. Sadly among the few PROVEN terrorists are GW Bush and T Bliar.

[ANGELBLU2042]

Bush, big instigator...should have his head stuck in a bucket of water and kicked in the stomach, just like he had innocent people done, just for his own personal gain. That murdering dirtbag psycho.

[SadSadDoomDay]

as far as I an aware, there is not another law stating that torture is fine IF, you may, possibly, perhaps, be a terrorist or someone whom that country just doesn't like.

[usaamerica1]

so tell me mr. carter, if we had the chance to torture one of the people that commited 9/11 and find out what they were planning, u still think torture is bad? Mr carter during your presidency u allowed more bad people to come to power that it in now hunting us!

[LUKAvac2]

911 was inside job u f....

give other example!

[warpedcomedy]

Look up "Albert Fish" and tell me he does not deserve pure, unmerciful, torture of the worst kind.

[LUKAvac2]

u cant torture.

[definemaybe]

to live outside the law you must be honest-dylan

[darrrkstarrr1969]

I know

you always SAY

that you agree...

ahhh but ~ WHERE are you, tonight ~

Sweet Marie ? : ))) me²

[theabomation]

torture is unreliable because people will just lie..

[xxstarchildxx]

well not lie, but confess to anything just to get the torture to stop...

[dave777blaster]

Torture will be used on American troops now and your allies will be less likely to want to go with you into battle because they know they may be subjected to torture because of America being a torturing entity.Unless you prosecute with zeal

your country is sleep walking into the third world.

[warpedcomedy]

What goes on in Guantanamo is NOTHING compared to what goes on in terrorist camps.

[warpedcomedy]

Torture is needed for Muslim terrorist bastards who blow up civilians in Israel and complain when Israel retaliates.

[m0d3rn5]

Okay seriously this is like the 4th comment I've read of yours and YOU ARE A FUCKING IDIOT. Ever heard of human rights? You, and everyone else, do NOT have the right to torture or kill anyone else. It is NOT justifiable to inflict pain or death upon anyone, no matter what they did. Do you think killing people will help anything? NO.

[warpedcomedy]

Human rights do not apply to monsters.

[bigrob1051]

whos more of a monster? the enemy combatant or the american soldier that tortured him for 5 years?

[JuiceBoxheero]

yes they do, they are still humans

[xxstarchildxx]

many of the people held at guantanamo were innocent, e.g binyam mohammed, held there for 6-7 years and tortured, until they were suicidal...just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time...how is that fair? also if you were being tortured enough, you would confess to anything to make it stop..even if you were innocent...what we need are fair trials, not false justification to abuse people...

[chanlately]

SO U MUST CONSIDER THAT WHEN THE SHOE IS ON THE OTHER FOOT YOUd BETTER BE PREPAREd TO ACCEPT THE SAME TREATMENT.ITS NOT A MATTER OF 'IF' BUT 'WHEN'.ARE U PREPARED...

[r3t4y5]

Go tell the muslims you old bastard.

[get5050]

MR Carter !

Also you gave Sadam Mustard Gass Bomb for Iraninan pepole during the war.

Now you are talkig about human right?

[get5050]

Carter You are not allow to talk about it . because you made all these bad happend in last 30 Years to Iran.

You sent khomeyni to Iran and you gave him 4000 name of Iranian army to kill;

Also UK gave him less than 500 name to kill and he did what you and uk wanted.

[chanlately]

@3:35 Native Peoples?!! animals? the planet? etc...

the thought that someone,somewhere RIGHT NOW is being tortured enrages me to tears.death is not the worst thing that can happen to the living

[xxstarchildxx]

i agree with you, it's extremely disturbing :S though depressing at it is, i think it's better to look at what we do have power to change rather than what we don't, as no human is omnipotent, but we all are a lot more powerful than we think. the letters i send as a member of amnesty are a small gesture , but i think it's very important to show we haven't forgotten these people who are being tortured...it's depressing to think that some won't be released, but amnesty has had many successes too

[davedwave7]

4000 babies are tortured to death every day in abortion mills.  Who will speak for them?

[SadSadDoomDay]

very strong video - thanks.

[FraganciaTaina]

My heart goes with those who have gone through this.

Sometimes I wish that God personally could come here on Earth and make suffering and injustices to go away.

Why can't we all be as beautiful as we appear on the outside.

Whatever happened to spiritual qualities?!

[chanlately]

we are moving into that realm as i write this

[CARNATIONWIRED]

Spent six months in jail while the Idaho police listen to what I thought thru the TV and did nothing to stop it. The TV media sometime reacted to what I thought. Sad, some kind of psychotronic technology in a coded language.I thought I was being investigated and it turned out it was my thoughts people new.

[warmman519]

I am a victim of MK-ultra, undetectable trauma based mind control, psychological torture and abuse, by government both in school and in my own home because the immoral behavior planted to me by school official. They might want me to commit another campus shooting event, to serve their gun control purposes.

[SoveriegnLeviathan]

So terrorists cut the heads off of American soldiers (which is accepted), but it is illegal to house criminals providing them beds, food, protection.

There is no torture, no one takes Carter seriously (he for one allowed Iran to become the power it is today).

Furthermore no one has to follow the UN Declaration, I for one do not support it whatsoever.

[Energyium]

torture is evil

[snuhtoyou]

so is purposefully targeting innocent civilians.

spock logic applies in my opinion.

[VivekRajcoomar]

by that same 'logic', if they purposefully target innocent civilians, then so can we? is it then ok for us to kill kids bc they are iraqi?

[snuhtoyou]

I'm not sure how you figure that follows from what I said. Spock logic (by the way, terming it that way was just for fun...) is that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. What I was getting at is that in order to prevent the purposeful murder of civilians, severe methods are sometimes necessary. When the enemy is without any morals, Machiavellian dictates should rule the day. Torture is evil, but an necessity given the greater evil of killing innocents.

[VBackseatRomeoV]

Keep in mind that one man, let alone one group of people never represents a nation. I am an American and I disagree with the Bush policies. There is nothing inherently evil about belonging to any country.

Take Iran for example. They have done tortures and executions for far pettier crimes (being gay, for example). Yet, I do not judge an Iranian based on his government, and treat all people individually.

[inverBM]

i used to be for amnesty international until they changed their stance on abortion..To me,that is the worst breach of human rights on the planet and the longest running holocaust to date.what about the voices of the little lives being crushed an thrown into bins everyday...If your mother decided to have an abortion with you,,you would not be reading this..Are you not a life? peace x

[TinnToe]

if my mother did an abortion on me, i wouldn't even had my first breath on this earth, so i think i wouldn't mind her doing this.

[hmanham]

I know abortion isnt a good thing at all, but a government can't really say that someone cant chose whether or not they want to go through with it. I personaly think that abortion is wrong adn that nobody should go through with it, but its their baby, and they have a right to chose.

[jkah15]

using that logic, you could argue that the government shouldn't choose whether parents can murder their 5 year olds. They are their kids, they have the right to choose.

Abortion is wrong and shouldn't be accepted.

[hmanham]

im not sure getting into this debate is a good idea because i feel the same way, but thats not the same as abortion, i do agree its wrong, but the government cant tell someone what to do with the baby inside of them

[persistentmemory]

You fail. Until you can define what a human is, and thus prove that a embryo or foetus at any stage of its development is in fact a fully functioning human, an abortion and an act of murder are separate things.

[snuhtoyou]

seems pretty risky to put a reverse onus on something like that. that would be like blindly shooting into a building killing an occupant and telling the cops they had to prove i knew the person was in there.

[persistentmemory]

In your example, they DO, if they want to convict you for murder. Otherwise they'd only be able to convict you for negligence and or gross stupidity.

[snuhtoyou]

it would be considered manslaughter, criminal negligence causing death...negligent homicide in other words.

but you get my point, right?

[saminea1]

Obama will close Guantanamo.

[clurmaui]

thank you for keeping an open mind. what do you think about the american lawyers who are defending the prisoners in guantanamo? are they scum too? am i scum? i host forums at universities all over america exposing the atrocities of the bush administration...

[clurmaui]

many of us are working to make positive changes in our government, and our foreign policy.

please do not become the monster you are angry with.

[xobrentox]

We're not all cunts!! Our government is corrupt!!

[5LJ3A2]

torture is defined by the dictionary as: "the act of inflicting excruciating pain" This doesn't occur in any western country. It is starting to be used simply as the word for mistreatment as a whole which is wrong. Countries like iran & china use REAL torture....they should be the focus of international human rights abuses not the USA.

[xobrentox]

Are you kidding?! The United States is one of the worst advocates of torture??!! Not to mention we still have the death penalty here, which is morally wrong. No human should have the right to play God. Killing others who have killed just spreads more violence and makes it seem like that is an acceptable means to resolution.

[xxstarchildxx]

amen to that!! it's been shown that countries who don't have the death penalty don't have higher rates of crime, for a start...

[HADHOUMI]

en 2004 j"ai contacté Ai sous ....

[hiroyukiandrew]

...I am following the trial for CIA agents and SISMI (Italian secret service) agents, responsible for the extraordinary rendition of Abu Omar...

the universal declaration of human rights must always be followed.

[wytbyt]

American politics are sad.

where else does a country espouse the virtues of liberty, freedom, and opportunity, yet squash human rights, torture, and question those who choose not to wear flag pin lapels.

IRONY

[xobrentox]

I have a flag pin lapel that I wear upsidedown.

We have music like Anti-flag and Pennywise; bands that call out our government on the things they do that are wrong and unjust.

We can participate in flag burning and many, many, MANY people here speak out against the politics of George W. Bush. Most of us despise the current administration. It's our electoral system that is horribly flawed. 18% of the population here controls 60% of the Senate. We the PEOPLE do not condone torture.

[augusta005]

@xobrentox Indeed. The only thing I want to add is that we the PEOPLE WILL LOSE HORRIBLY AND GET ANNIHILATED. The CEOs, politicians, and god-knows-what-else WILL replace ALL OF US with mindless ais and robots X(

[MurasakiShikibufan]

Close Guantanamo-Everybody wins

[joshatkins94]

Yep.

To date, 420 former Guantanamo inmates have been RELEASED WITHOUT CHARGE, after half-decade long torture stays at the terror camp.

You hear the all the atrocious US government torture.

It makes you wonder?

Who is the real terrorist in all this?

It's the Bush administration.

[RuffianTV]

"...and those responsible must be held to account."