Anthony Quinton on Ludwig Wittgenstein: Section 5

[GoldenRatio2]

Both Quinton and later, Searle, in their respective analysis of Wittgenstein's philosophical work, arrive at strikingly similar conclusions with regard to its strengths and weaknesses and the impact it has had upon other fields of research. Interesting.

[24foxstar]

I have an acute pain in my left knee, a pronounced desire for a cup of tea, and a wish that it was Friday.

[andmaketherain]

I would have been a great discourse between Mr. Quinton and Mr. Wittgenstein.

[Brockhad]

It would be nice if someone looked to create a synthesis of Wittgensteins earlier and later works. Yes, there is the atomism of names as seen by formal definitions, and then his language games that could be better characterized by sociology's symbolic interactionism. From this, I almost think I come away with that philosophy can only obfuscate the language games we play which only seem to point to something we can't speak on! o_0

[burf69]

Now I finally know how I want to decorate my living room.

[MGX890]

@burf69 lol

[skinnerddd]

thank you so much for all of these postings.

I find them most interesting, educational and clear.

[Hallibutbouy]

Bryan Magee is Don

[louarmour]

" "A huge cleavage" - right out of context.." ?? The issue is about use i.e. intelligibility. Your statement could be a brag, a complaint, a riposte, an answer to a question, etc. That I have no clear idea what you mean does not mean it is unintelligeable to me. As for context, there does not exist two distinct entities i.e. the utterance 'U' and a context 'C' which then somehow corespond to each other to produce meaning . Instead, U and C mutually constitute each other . I think! :)

[Khimkharmakan]

"A huge cleavage" - right out of context...

[louarmour]

You may have misheard the talk about being immersed in a form of life. We would not understand a lion if it could speak but we can understand the language of other cultures because of what Wittgenstein called our common humanity i.e. those common practices of friendships, having children, doing greetings, etc that humans do. With regard to translation the issue then is not about a one-to-one correspondence between words and sentences in language A and language B but about its point or purpose.

[debaucheresque]

Thank you for posting, Flame. I must first admit that I identify very much with W's thinking, especially the PI. But let me pose questions that I feel follow from the PI and haunt me:

How does learning work? How does persuasion work? How does changing one's mind happen?

In other words, if, as Quinton mentions, I need to participate in a language game to understand it, how do I get into new ones? How do I get out of old ones?

[BucketOfMe]

I think that's sort of implied in the programme. Using BM's knot analogy: we learn and change by unravelling the knots in the language itself. By loosing the knots we open ourselves to new ways of looking at things.

Persuasion is another's arguments helping us to loose the knots in our own language.

In that sense learning is a kind of active philosophy.

[antiyank4u]

thankyou flame0430

[kzd444]

why magee is that obsessed with wittgenstein? i also would prefer some talks about existansialism etc. by the way thank you flame0430. great job.

[3stringovation]

Why is Magee obsessed with Wittgenstein... And why am *I*? ;-) For me I think it's because W's body of work provides a microcosmic view of the revaluative effects of general relativism which overturned everything as it swept through all disciplines - from physics to linguistics to anthropology and sociology, even to history and religion - from the early 1900's to the present day. All within one man's lifetime, all within one man's work. Fearless, really.

[portoxali]

great discussion as usuall, thanks for sharing flame!