if it was not america u could never be there cuz ur country lost 2 time already the was with afghnistan 200 year ego... and we killed all the british soldier and the commander.. read the hitory if u dont know that.....
Allah the Mercufel, He has made the Quran only to follow it. You have a million choices in life one is save a life just as the use name
wallidjan said that is one of you do not want to follow the quran then you can have freedom in this life but in your spirit when you die you won't god will punish you by putting you in a box with fire snakes are all around you, you will not be able to talk or any sort of talking, the only choice you will have is your hands and mouth, they will say all
To be fair and honest stevenweir76 is correct. The big question is WHY? God punish us all if he truly and deeply love us. Why do people has to die in order to fulfill his plan?????
To those arrogant people who deny the existence of God, Allah questions them about His creatures. Who is the creator of sperm and plant? People or God the All Wise Creator?
Have ye seen that which ye emit?
Do ye create it or are We the creator? [Quran 56:58-59]
It is hard to proof that God exists. But if we take a look to the planes, cars, TVs, etc, it would be irrational if we say that all exist by themselves. There must be people who make them!
If the simple thing such as the match has its makers, then the universe that far more complex than that must be has its creator.
God is absolutely other than His creation, for the Creator cannot have the same kind of being as His creation. Although this is self-evident, some people still ask why we cannot see God directly.
"Allah is the Creator of all things and He is the agent on which all things depend." [Quran 39:62]
"Allah created you and whatever you do." [Quran 37:96]
"And no calamity strikes except by Allahs permission." [Quran 64:11]
Personally me never ask why we can't see the God directly. And who wrote Quran, Bible, Tora? Was it the God? No. That were people. Did it He personally? No. People did it instead of Him. Not by His will but just becuase will for power above the rest people. You qote people writings - not Gods.
Every man inevitably has to face and answer the following questions in relation to his existence Why am I here? Who put me here? and How did I get here? Without answering these questions man will wander through life aimlessly without any reference point or criteria for his actions and decisions. These questions will continue to haunt him unless they are comprehensively and conclusively answered.
God does not want to punish us, God has given us free choice to do good or bad (kill a human being or save a life that is your choice) God want good for us He created us so that we may go to paradise our choice is whether we do good to succeed in hereafter or follow our evil desires that will lead to hell
In the end I think US and it's allies will leave Afghanistan because these Afghans has been fighting for so long against so many different people, they know how to fight a long war and they have infinite resource and people because time on their hand allows it.
They can stand against the whole USA army ,yeah not the whole but i mean,and other countries,while countrys in that okace are known to be rather poor..
They keep having troops and equipment there and can take the hole american expensive technologies
Why would God give rules specifically for Mohammed's wives?? No one else's? The Qur'an is a bizarre book, with strange and contradicting rules. It does not bring light to life, rather it confuses what actually is. People fight and die for these words because they truely believe in them. How would you know what God wants from you. Wouldn't God tell you the direction of your life instead of leaving it open to interpretation? Why create a being and then enslave it. This is not how a parent acts.
I'm really sorry I let a stubbornly ignorant bigot, and yes I refer to the YouTube user 'stevenweir76', get the better of me. The braying of an ass becomes easily exacerbating to anything positive being learned or taught and I lowered myself to his arrogant antagonizing and bullying.
There is not one shred of evidence, not one, to back up anything that Jesus, Mohammed or any other prophet has said. There is not one shred of scientific evidence to support the claims of any holy text. There are several amoral acts committed in the Bible and the Qur'an and yet you are still scared of God. Don't be. If there actually were a God it would not punish it's children with hell. These words were written to subjugate the masses. Seriously, you can't tell these words were man-made?
Canada should leave Afghanistan its for the best, having foreign troop in Afghanistan does not help the security situation as local Afghan never like foreign troop in their country. Its better if Canada spends more money recruiting Afghan police and soldiers as Afghanistan should be for Afghans not for foreign invasion
I think that is pretty much what Canadian officials are trying to do at this point. I think American policy will be to stay, but the withdrawal should happen in 2011 from what I hear for Canada at least. They are still training local law enforcement so if Afghanistan can police itself it should be better for all. I know I wouldn't feel comfortable with foreign police in my country, mind you we are not besieged by Taliban either.
Pol Pot's dogma was facist communism, not atheism. You don't understand that by saying that someone goes to war because they are atheist is the same as saying they went to war because they were aZeusist or aVishnuist. It's silly to say. Pol Pot was responsible for his actions, it was not because he didn't believe in God, it's because he was a sick and twisted asshole. Do you need a list of religious wars and leaders who would not have otherwise fought except for their belief in God?
As for your accusations of me being a jackass, I am not playing here. I think the Qur'an is evil, I think the Bible is evil. I think the Torah and every religion is evil. I think the Dalai Lama is evil. So when I speak these words it is out of concern for the future of humanity. So shut your face.
Trust me when I say that youtube does no good for my ego. I think I am developing a Super Id though. I am constantly humbled by the stark realization that I can never convince anyone of anything, I figure that by the age of ten people are pretty much set in their ways as to what they believe. I don't expect anyone to change their minds. But if I make one person realize that atheists aren't evil, I'll call it a day.
Do you really think that after 200000 years of human existence, and over 3 billion years of evolution that suddenly God would show up? This sheer arrogance has humanity on the precipice of destruction, which is no problem for people who believe in an afterlife. Humanity will not survive this superstitious period unless it abandons it's superstition. The difference from the past being that wingnuts like Kim Jong-Il now have nuclear weapons. Keep it up, let's all die.
Do you really look in the mirror and find nothing magnificent in your unique being? To be atheist you must accept your life and existence as being as arbitrarily as the dust particle floating in space... because there must be no underlying reason despite whatever it is we each may come to know.
Nothing. Humans are predictable animals. They can be made to behave as animals when their rights, freedoms, safety, food, water, children, etc are taken from them. To deny that we have an animal side is to foster that animal side. We can't escape that we were created by a brutal, merciless process of survival of the fittest. But as beings that have developed intelligence we have the ability to reason and rise above it, or we can let it slide into what others tell us we should accept and do.
The main problem you have Wallidjan is that all religions suffer the same problem. They have no evidence or understanding of what actually created the universe. After having read the Qur'an, are you still mystified, or do you have all the answers? If the Qur'an is as enlightened as you say. Predict something that science doesn't know yet that the Qur'an will be correct about. Anything. One thing, if you can, I'll convert. As it stands, the Qur'an is scientifically wrong about many things.
It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives."
'WAR IS A RACKET'
by Two-Time Congressional Medal of Honor Recipient Major General Smedley D. Butler - USMC Retired
Again, war is about GREED you small-brained nincompoop. Your pedestal is still vapor. EDUCATE YOURSELF.
The atheist knows something which religion seems to deny. It is impossible for everyone to accept any religion. Religion will never succeed, not one religion can. There will always be doubters. But if humanity continues to spread knowledge, I can foresee the death of religion. It will also be the end of needless suffering. Why does Iran fight for a softer rule. It's because the Burka isn't even dictated by the Qur'an. It's because rules were imposed by the Qur'an and others that need not be.
"The atheist knows something which religion seems to deny. It is impossible for everyone to accept any religion." Wow. I'm enthralled with the support of a general opinion by a perennial truth.
It. Is. IMPOSSIBLE. for. EVERYONE. to accept. ANY. Religion.
Do you know why they call it religious belief? Because there is no religious evidence. Otherwise it would be called religious fact, which is an oxymoron. If anything were ever proven to be fact, it would no longer fall under religion. We would accept God as a fact, but we don't. There are even splits within Islam and amongst even individuals as to what to believe. There is no such controversy amongst scientists when it comes to science. They prove things with evidence, not supposition.
That's like there's never revision to any scientific text. There was an interesting article in NewScientist 2 yrs ago regarding Quantum Predisposition as a theory to explain how everything is except that 2 mathematicians did not approve of the theory because, if true, it would allow the acceptance of the possibility that someone, keeping track of all particles would KNOW when "X" person approached a choice, which would be made. ATHEIST SCIENTISTS want to disprove God, not all scientists.
The very notion that a final text was written as a guide should come across as the stupidest thing ever said or written.Life is constantly changing. Yet there are no revisions to Holy Texts, just people spouting the same unscientific bullshit of eons past. Why people hold superstition so dearly is insufferable to anyone with half a brain. Science does evolve, when religions evolve, they are abandoned.
2:42 Confound not truth with falsehood, nor knowingly conceal the truth.
It's one of the phrases in the Qur'an I agree with. So answer honestly,and you will know the truth. You repeatedly convince yourself of what is true, without actually knowing or even believeing what you say.Are you afraid of death? We all are. It doesn't change the fact that it will happen.What legacy to leave then?A world of war and hatred, or one of truth and acceptance.
From the moment man opens his eyes to this world a great order surrounds him. He needs oxygen to survive. It is interesting that the atmosphere of the planet on which he lives provides more than just the adequate amount of oxygen he needs. This way, he breathes without difficulty. For the existence of life on this planet, the existence of a source of heat is essential.
In response to this need, the sun is located just at the right distance to emit just the exact amount of heat and energy man needs. Man needs nourishment to survive. Every corner of the world abounds in astonishingly diversified provisions. Likewise, man needs water. Surprisingly, three-fourths of the planet is covered with water. Man needs shelter, and in this world, there is land on which it is suitable to build and all sorts of materials to make shelters
Scientists have actually devised 4 different solar system configurations using mathematical models that could support life. I wonder how many more there are possible. That is only life as we know it. Titan, a moon of Saturn is being looked at as having a higher probability of life than Mars.
You don't believe evolution is even a possibility,do you? I keep finding ignorance potrayed as divine truth in every religious denomination. Do you realize that within only 15 light years of our sun are two stars that are so similar that if the Earth were orbiting them it would survive. Plants evolved to breathe Carbon dioxide. Animals evolved to breathe oxygen. It was very seredipitious indeed, but that's why single celled life ruled for 3 billion years.
You are correct when you say that the Earth is indeed the right distance from the sun for conditions as exist here. But the hypothesis of the Habitable life zone is not proven as Titan has an atmosphere. The circumstellar habitable zone, also known as the ecosphere, is thought to exist around all stars, not only the Sun according to the hypothesis. Now imagine how many have planets in that zone.
I guess you wouldn't fear death. This life must be so meaningless and yet you fight so fervently for your belief.
Thou doth protest too much.
For me, this life is the only existence and meaning I will ever have. I treasure it and protect it. You would throw it away and the lives of others if skydaddy told you to do it. Good thing your alleged God never actually says or does anything. Is your God evil or impotent? This is the only explanation of the human condition under religion.
There you go again using your fingers to prove yourself a bombastically ignorant and intolerant of Islam. I'm feeling sorry for your daughter the more I read your uneducated posts. I can tell you don't lift a proverbial finger to educate yourself on the matter before retorting like a jackass.
I've educated myslef on the Qur'an to know it was written by people who worshipped the words of an illiterate pedophile who would say anything to garner power. Yeah, I think that about sums up the Qur'an. As for modifications to science. Have they ever backtracked on evolution? No, and they won't, it happened. Yet believers in the Qur'an are too stupid to revise their beliefs to accord to fact. You people believe the same shit that desert nomads believed 1400 years ago. Get with the times.
"I've educated myslef on the Qur'an to know it was written by people who worshipped the words of an illiterate pedophile who would say anything to garner power."
Shhhhhh.... the jackass speaks. Sorry, I mean, cut-and-pastes from other ignoramuses' posts. BTW It's spelled "worshiped". And if you know that little about Qur'an and Islam I can only contend that what you learned was via osmosis. Truly magical.
FriedChikkin,you could be the leader of the next war if you were in such a position. You could declare war on atheism,and you could spread your hatred. You could kill all the Christians,and the Homosexuals too. Or you could realize that war, like the one in Iran, is only going to put some other asshole in power or not. Nothing will be gained. Would you honestly believe a book like the Qur'an if you had picked it up and read it? It's worse than a fairy tale. At least a fairy tale is entertaining.
"FriedChikkin,you could be the leader of the next war if you were in such a position."
You as well, if not a rapist soldier... the difference is that my fear of God would play a major role of my allowing myself to carry out what those whom don't fear God carry out on a daily basis. This consciousness of God must, for a Muslim, extend from the personal life to, at times, war, I would try with what little I have to stave off the conflagration... would you? I doubt it.
Name one evil act that could be commited by an atheist because of there dogma. Now name evil one act that a person of religious belief could do because of their dogma. Can you think of evil commited in the name of religion. Pretty easy, isn't it. Their are Muslims who commit evil, as there are atheists who commit evil. A Muslim is forgiven and even celebrated when they commit mass murder/suicide, an atheist is not.We atheists are responsible for our actions, you are not accountable for the lies.
I asked you to name an evil act committed because of atheism. Not to name an evil atheist. Like the crusades or 9/11. Or any number of terroist bombings. Or the obstruction of scientific fact by theism for greed. Those are acts. If you want a list of evil religious I'll need a lot more time.
I have yet to see anyone in the world of Islam who hasn't already jumped to the wrong conclusion. You people are no better than Evangelicals. You sound alike. What do you call a Muslim reading the Qur'an?
Devout.
What do you call a Muslim reading the Bible with skepticism or a Christian reading the Qur'an with skepticism...
A Hypocrite.
I need nothing from religion, your minds are weak and polluted with bullshit.
Maybe someday you will learn. But I'm not holding my breath. Seems I'm doomed.
For people who speak of respect for science, you sure believe a lot of things which you have never seen or proved. If a person told you that fairies were responsible for the stars in the sky would you believe it or would you need to see it for yourself? If something is logical, based on experience it causes no conflict, it is fact. Superstitious belief in the supernatural will always lead to unbelief. Thousands of religions preceded Islam and there will be more to follow.
@FriedChikken - You said , "Here you're just being stupid."
About what. First you accuse me of Sophism, then stupidity. I assure you I could prove in a court of law that I am neither by any evidence that you could give. But then again I don't expect people who believe in God to respect the burden of proof.
when will people learn? HISTORY has AFGHANISTAN as a country that has never been conquered.. you can hold it for awhile but then you'll leave it with your head, hearts and morale down to its lowest point... people there just want to be left alone and mind their own business, they dont want change, all they want is to live life day in and day out with the God-given land that they have...they are practical and simple, they will always resist change... going there is a sure suicide.
As a Canadian I see Afghanistan as a great atrocity. What we are doing is not working. The region is so destabilized, and people have been dehumanized. This oversimplification of the issues by Western media is disturbing to me. We didn't learn from history, and Canadian leaders felt they could not risk losing friendship with the United States to do the right thing. We now feel we have to stay to try to repair the damage. What would happen otherwise? Do they really want Taliban rule?
You are entitled to your world view of course - I probably don't agree with you all, on some levels at present.
Petty power games. Terrorists.
Once Alexander wrote letter to his mom, while in fight with Afghans and said, " i am involved in the land of a Leonine ( lion-like ) and brave people, where every foot of the ground is like a wall of steel, confronting my soldiers. You have brought only one son into the world, but Everyone in this land can be called an Alexander.
Explain to me Zakat al-Fitrah. Who determines how the money is spent? Why does Allah need your money. I can see why Mohammed wanted money, but Allah? Give me a break. You are victims of your upbringing, just as Christians, Muslims and Jews, Hindus, whatever. As least Jesus gave out information for free. If Allah didn't want you to have all that money, why did it end up in your pocket to begin with? Why are some humans priveliged to spend your money, and live more lavishly than you?
God doesn't need anything, does He? He will judge what each did according to the sustenance afforded him. You still come across as the dimwit who has not read Qur'an even ONCE!
I have read enough of the Qur'an to see that it is petty and infantile, written by men to control others. I have the same problem with all religions that you had with Catholicism. It is simply beyond me that you could percieve Islam any different than Christianity. As an atheist, my morals are guided by my own conscience, and I am accountable for my own actions. There is no God telling me what to do. If I kill, I have selfishly murdered. When religions kill, it is "the will of Allah"
When no one is witness there is NO accountability in Atheism. Murder, theft, rape, lying... these are not the actions of a person who fears God no matter what he entitles himself.
@FriedChikken -Just because you want justice doesn't mean it is so. To quote you "Truth Hurts" Murderers kill, Thieves steal. These crimes will sometimes go unpunished and sometimes the innocent are persecuted. This belief in divine justice prevents true justice. But it is funny that I do not entitle myself as you put it. Where does my morality come from then? Yours comes from fear of God appraently. How noble, you are scared straight with no morality of your own.
Your sense of morality exists within the framework of self and socially-defined rights and wrongs. So long as it serves your ego I suppose you will keep trumpeting your self-described superior morals, eh?
If Allah is all powerful why can't he get his message accross without books or relying on Caliphs, Ayatollahs, Mullahs, Muezzins, or Sahibs.
Has he no power to tell me himself? In language I can understand.
These leaders interpret the Qur'an for their own political gain.
The Qur'an tries to punish those who believe in other scriptures, Scriptures that existed before the Qur'an. Why did Allah forsake so many without hope. Why didn't the message come sooner?
How many books of science have you read before you blatantly rejected them for your fairytale afterlife. you being a former Christian, what makes Islam any better. Word for word, the Qur'an is more violent and less tolerant than the Bible, containing stupid miracles which you believe but have never seen. You believe in a God which has never spoken to you. You speak of the Catholic church as a corporation, perhaps you should look at the mosques in Medina or Mecca and tell me where the money's at.
The HANDFUL of Muslims I met in college were medically, scientifically and medically more apt than anyone I'd met before-one even thought the school system here so inept she took up Advanced Calculus for fun in college. I doubt, given your track record here, that you could hold a stick to what I know... heck your dialogue alone is the bottom of my philosophical bucket much less-MUCH LESS-your sophomoric 'proofs' against Qur'an. There's a perfect description: Sophist. Specious.
FriedChikkin said "The HANDFUL of Muslims I met in college......etc." Ad Hominem. You think if I were a nothing more than a janitor that my opinions would not matter. Religion has taught you nothing but undeserved elitism. I am college and university educated, but regardless, I do not ignore when people speak because of their station. You have revealed yourself for how petty you are. Everyone has something to teach you, but you only listen to your book. I also doubt you were ever Catholic.
You have called me Sophist FriedChikkin, that hurts. I have endevoured my whole life to seek the truth. Here I am accused of perpetuating the illusion. Tell me what I have lied about or complicated in order to deceive you. I think you will have a hard time trying to disprove anything. My logic follows, my science is supported by the institution that weeds out lies. You will find my words chosen and uninterpretable, with only one meaning. This confuses you because everything is a parable to you.
My language has precise meaning, it does not allude to or symbolize or represent. It just is, that's why Holy Books do not appeal to me. They contain lies from a moral and scientific perspective. The reason that some Muslims are terrorists and some are peaceful is the same reason Christians havesome crusaders and some peaceful people. Their holy books support both positions, and when you have God on your side, what can't you do? Religion is a tool for politicians to control society, nothing more
I still haven't come across your offering of a better modus operandi by which anyone might live his life. I haven't read your suggestion(s) for those unhappy with life in any way, shape or form. I've not read what reason you have for any of your diatribe. What betterment, then, do you offer or suggest? Do you have anything besides ill-will towards your fellow man or do you wish to 'free' us from this bondage of self-realized/imposed grandiose purpose? Your pedestal is still vapor.
Golden rule, nothing more. I try to create the world I want to live in and want my daughter to live in. I don't want her to grow up believing that a magic man in the sky will save her regardless of her flaws and indiscretions. She will learn responsibility toward her fellow humans. Any religions feels a priveledge above others that they are somehow chosen. I believe we are all in this together. Religions do not lead to peace, secularism does, this is statistically proven.
If statistics might prove anything about statistics it's that they're inaccurate 100% of the time. They do not dictate how any life will play out and you will have a harder time instilling and expecting selflessness from someone who is less able to calculate overall and ultimate benefit.
Actually statistics are responsible for discovering underlying truths. There is a scientific approach to gathering statistics which someone who does not respect science such as you would like to ignore. The Academy of Sciences is 92% atheist. Why the elite minds would reach this conclusion? Research that statistic. Also look up rates of education and crime and compare them to atheism. It doesn't shock me, but it will flatten your argument.
BOR•ING "If statistics might prove anything about statistics it's that they're inaccurate 100% of the time."
You can't prove me wrong at all here, but, again, you reword and convolute as if someone ELSE asked you a question of similar verbiage, of which the value must be different because you evade all of my directed AT YOU questions in this manner... go ahead and review all of your responses to me, it's your modus operandi. It's the M.O. of most cut-and-paste sophist "philosophers".
There you go, using the Spanish Inquisition's methods. Guilty until proven innocent.
If statistics are wrong or to put it in your words "If statistics might prove anything about statistics it's that they're inaccurate 100% of the time."
Why does Iran stand in the midst of a civil war? Maybe it's because the numbers don't add up. You have a lot to learn about life. Just like I know I am beating a dead horse. I know when someone is set in their ways. It will bring you misery.
"Why does Iran stand in the midst of a civil war?" Do you know how or WHY the CIA got Mosadegh ousted? You don't know SHIT about the history of Iran but you can repeat what you read of the headlines like any other bobble-head. What's impressive about that? What's impressive about you? You come to intiate insulting comments and waste our time-when I ask you to offer something better you CAN'T so I must accept your real intention is antagonization... to be a sophist.
You stupid moron - you answered your own Goddamned question. You keep looking to everyone else for answers. Open up that tiny fucking mind of yours and make this world a better place instead of tearing everyone else apart.I am trying to teach that no individual on Earth is imparted divine wisdom from anywhere. This incessant need from the small minded to be herded like sheep to the will of silver tongued orators is what drives my hope to oblivion. Earth is our heaven, Earth is our Hell. Wake Up!
Do *Muslims* really waste THIS much time barking on atheist YT videos? Do they? Heck, I don't remember the last atheism video I wasted my time watching. On a slight tangent I find it's so odd that our entire educational system is secular but people like you STILL bitch when some refuse to accept the universe and ourselves at such a simplified face value. I know what you're trying to "teach"-I accept it as you accept theism; as self-righteous bullshit.
What is self-righteous is when you have no evidence of your entire system for living yet you tell us what is fact. Education is secular because religion has no facts to teach, there are thousands upon thousands of religions, most dead and gone and none of them speak an iota of what actually is. Religion is for stupid people who reject education and fact. Who are capable of only pretending to know instead of actually knowing. You call me a dog, who is self-righteous. Religion teaches disrespect.
As for atheists barking on Muslim videos as FriedChikken puts it. How many atheists threathen to dominate the world? How many atheists will tell you that the religious will burn in hell. Your unsubstantiated lies will only lead to more hatred. I know that Islam is proud that It is growing faster at the expense of Christianity. But guess what, here's a news flash. Atheism is growing faster than Islam. Now tell me what you have to fear from atheism. I'll tell you what I fear from Islam.
Look at this dumb shit answer of yours... you haven't even read Qur'an ONCE through. At least I did that much before going ahead and talking like I know anything about anything... but nope, you've got diarrhea to spare, thanks.
Why would Allah create a soul only to burn it. Would you do this to your disobedient child? Perhaps you would, but I won't? The rate of return on punishment for sin committed in infinitely preposterous. If your child disagreed with something you said, anything, would you burn them for eternity. These beliefs are perverse, meant to scare you into being a subject of a religious ruling class. There are over 500 mentions of punishment for disbelief.
BO•RING Try, WHY ARE YOU HERE? You're good at twisting words and intention to give cut-and-paste asshole answers I've read COUNTLESS TIMES because, undoubtedly, there are innumerous assholes like yourself ready to give these same cut-and-paste answers whom, when asked, have NO BETTER RETORT when asked to offer some better way of life... then what's the usual answer? Some asshole response like yours. Surprise! Give it no deep thought, just answer like an asshole... you asshole.
I haven't twisted any words. You have to twist the words of the Qur'an to believe them. Hey, I'm not attacking you personally. But when you search for the truth do you stop at one book? There are verses in the Qur'an which betray the human writing of it's verses, betray that it is by no means divine. You do not analyze that which guides your life. How stupid of you. Just think for one second, If God wanted to unify mankind, wouldn't he. It is men who seek division and wealth, religion delivers.
16:93 (Y. Ali) if allah so willed, He could make you all one people: But He leaves straying whom He pleases, and He guides whom He pleases: but ye shall certainly be called to account for all your actions.
6:104 Proofs have come unto you from your Lord, so whoso seeth, it is for his own good, and whoso is blind is blind to his own hurt. And I am not a keeper over you.
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2:106 Nothing of our revelation (even a single verse) do we abrogate or cause be forgotten, but we bring (in place) one better or the like thereof. Knowest thou not that Allah is Able to do all things?
May we all find out the hard way. May you live a thousand years and have all the good things of this life. Pray tell, though, what is the point of your existence? I refer to when you meet that unavoidable juncture in your life where nothing takes place by your will... when death becomes you. Have you resolved, like many another, to "just not think about it"? I suppose, yes, you could say that we're all here by incalculable serendipitous fortune... oh what pretty words. Pretty, empty.
Our purpose is what we make of it. Yours appears to be a meaningless praise giving to an imaginary deity who is so vain, conceited, and insecure that it requires that all subjects bow 5 times a day to prove their loyalty. My meaning in life is to make life better for myself and others. Not to quibble over whose dogma is superior, and who kisses God's ass the most. It's seems even emptier to me to worship an imaginary super being whom there is no proof for.
What I am trying to say is that the "facts" as the Qur'an would have you disbelieve what we know as fact, and even conflicts with itself. I have given empirical evidence as to the Qur'an being false. Now that is not to say that Islam doesn't have a beautiful culture, but as Christianity, it is in spite of it's central text. People ignore what they want to because there is much that is known to be wrong.
Empirical or a priori, your evidence is weak and as unconvincing as the first few times I've read and heard such impotent meanderings against Qur'an and Islam.
36:38 And the sun runneth on unto a resting-place for him. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise. "The sun runneth on unto a resting-place for him."
36:40 It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit.
Sun going round the Earth again, guess it didn't go in the mud puddle.
Attempt the perspective of he who is the intended reader of Qur'an. It is man. There is only ONE of you, all things in this universe, including the intangible time, exist relative to YOU. Consider Robert Greene's "The Elegant Universe" (book or DVD lol)... a whole book to explain through so many words and equations that time is relative. Considering the sun and moon, much less EVERY THING, despite their own orbits, they revolve around you.
That's very self centered. But that's exactly what I expect from someone who is small minded, without perception of relativity. Not the other way around. It does not say as though or appears, it says that it does. This is what many believed until the advance of astronomy.
18:86 Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness.
What moron walked the earth and ever waded through any body of water or mud in this case and found THE SUN therein? This clearly has to be accepted as the firsthand line of sight considering the horizon of the earth and the person.
Yeah, what you call boring, I call wrong. Your argument is not just horrible against this,in fact it's non-existent. There is no mention of reflection, only the sun setting in a muddy spring. Not the horizon as the ocean, a muddy spring. A muddy spring seems a rather small object as a line of sight. It also says in, not on.
For revelations, the language is incredibly inprecise. But I know that religious texts say little if anything that is actually interesting as far as the truth is concerned.
13:2 Allah it is Who raised up the heavens without visible supports, then mounted the Throne, and compelled the sun and the moon to be of service, each runneth unto an appointed term; He ordereth the course; He detaileth the revelations, that haply ye may be certain of the meeting with your Lord.
There's that sun, running around the Earth again, seems Ptolemy was correct.
It's also kind of hypocritical to believe one miracle of Jesus but not the others.
(5:110) "O Jesus, son of Mary! Remember ... how thou didst shape of clay as it were the likeness of a bird by My permission, and didst blow upon it and it was a bird."
Jesus made a bird out of clay that came to life when he blew on it.?? The Qur'an is based upon the Bible, yet you reject the Bible. Just as the hypocrisy of Christians who deny the Torah.
Here is a verse to ponder, it is the absolute one verse in the Qur'an which I reject from the essence of my very life, and will never concede:
5:101 O ye who believe! Ask not of things which, if they were made unto you, would trouble you; but if ye ask of them when the Qur'an is being revealed, they will be made known unto you. Allah pardoneth this, for Allah is Forgiving, Clement.
In other words, do not seek the truth/do not think. I am a scientist, I would lie to myself to not try to know.
I have morals yet no God commands me. My morality is my own, and I am proud of it. I nuture it. Treat it as importantly as my own life. I am flawed, but when it boils down to it, I am a good person, no God, no Vishnu, no Jesus. I am not doomed to burn for eternity, if I were, there is no God worth believing anyway. I do not have hatred in my heart for anyone. But a persons spirit is weak when it must come from someone or something else. Find your inner strength, your own courage, it's yours.
You have never and will never see the likes of the miracles of the Qur'an. Under logic we don't see these things in real life. But years ago, when people were more confused, and more barbaric, these religious doctrines took hold. If I were to give you a book like the Qur'an with only the names changed, and you had never read the Qur'an, could you believe it? The answer is no, you couldn't. Someone has convinced you to accept superstition. Isn't it time that the facts prevailed over superstition?
You have not understood what the Quran and islam is about you have just found out about Quran through television the media its time you visit some real muslims.
Actually. I have only been looking at the book itself. Not the culture, it would be intriguing to sit down with Muslims who would openly talk to an atheist. I must admit, however, that I find you less than objective. You too have not told me what you reject that is in the Qur'an, if you reject anything at all. For instance, moderate Christians reject the literal translation of Genesis. Charles Darwin himself was a Christian until his discoveries strained his belief.
Murdering a person for no reason is one of the most obvious examples of mischief. God repeats in the Qur'an a command He formerly revealed to Jews in the Old Testament thus:
There is a greter sympathy for Islam right now then there ever has been, but also a greater intolerance but extremists. There is a large faction of Americans who still believe that torture is right. Same as Islam with it's Jihadists. The way to disempower them is to spread the truth. Not what you think is the truth, but fundamental truths, like everyone deserves to live their lives in peace without fear of dying for whatever reason.
The Qur'an is a Book revealed to people as a guide to the true path and in this Book, God commands man to adopt good morals. This morality is based upon concepts such as love, compassion, tolerance and mercy. God calls all people to Islamic morals through which compassion, mercy, peace and tolerance can be experienced all over the world:
You who believe! Enter absolutely into peace (Islam). Do not follow in the footsteps of Satan. He is an outright enemy to you.
wallidjan, you say that the Qur'an teaches peace, but you know it also teaches hatred. Why can't you find peace without the idea of a God. Do you want to live a trillion years. At what point do you become tired and bored with existence? We are not eternal creatures, our lives are finite. I choose neither God nor Satan, as none exist. You have never witnessed a miracle such as those in the Qur'an or the Bible. What logic teaches you to believe?
Innocuous messages lead to confusing messages, lead to evil and downright deceptive messages. But in the innocuous phase of attaining a following, the religion seems harmless. Then in large groups, how do you defy the religious leader, he is already empowered, and whether you believe what he is saying or not, you follow out of fear of rejection. Humans are fallible, and when they falter, they need to be put in their place. Moderate religions support extreme religions, make no doubt.
The values of the Qur'an hold a Muslim responsible for treating all people, whether Muslim or non-Muslim, kindly and justly, protecting the needy and the innocent and preventing the "dissemination of mischief". Mischief comprises all forms of anarchy and terror that remove security, comfort and peace. As God says in a verse, "God does not love mischief makers". (Surat al-Qasas: 77)
So We decreed for the tribe of Israel that if someone kills another person - unless it is in retaliation for someone else or for causing corruption in the earth - it is as if he had murdered all mankind. And if anyone gives life to another person, it is as if he had given life to all mankind. Our Messengers came to them with Clear Signs but even after that many of them committed outrages in the earth. (Surat al-Ma'ida: 32)
"The U.S. government demanded that the Taliban hand over Bin Laden. The Talibans response was to demand proof of Bin Ladens guilt, and after receiving none, they refused to hand him over. "
Didn't Osama Bin Laden claim responsibility for the attacks on Sept.11?
No, actually if ppl were to do research thats is the scary thing and that is what keeps so many truthers out there pushing the truth out because....Osama Bin Laden NEVER claimed responsibility for the attacks! It was all planned, like the rest of history: seek and you shall find we were instructed.
All truth goes through 3 phases; 1st: it is Ridiculed, 2nd: it is violently opposed and 3rd: it is taken for being self evident.
A nation of Sheep will beget a pack of hungry wolves!
If the world never had George Bush and Osama Bin Laden, think what a better place this would be. Then again, it makes us appreciate each other more when we see just how foolish those who attain power are. The problem with the wise and humble is that they do not seek power. The only thing we can do to stop this is to diminish their power and reject their dogma. Fear leads people to believe that we need protection and guidance from others. What we need is guidance to others, to see the truth.
Islam is not a homogenous religion. It is divided into many subgroups, including Sunni, Shi'ite, and Sufi. A very small, radical, hate-filled, extremist, Fundamentalist, terrorist wing does exist. So too does a much larger peaceful, moderate wing. Unfortunately, the former seem to capture all the media's attention, while the latter is rarely heard from.
Here is what strikes at my heart. Moderates accept others beliefs. But that requires conceding that parts of the Qur'an are wrong. All religious texts say to destroy your enemies. The extremists, be they Jihadists or Evangelicals are more devout, and follow the literal interpretations of the Bible and Qur'an.
Everthing I read/see/hear everywhere says that he is a Jihadist, which regardless if his religion demands it, is unacceptable to an atheist such as myself, he claimed responsibility for the attacks. This man is filthy rich and has evil opinions and dogma which do nothing to promote peace amongst humankind. I think if you read the Qur'an, you will see that it fails as much as the Bible and the Torah when it comes to social justice, morality and equal treatment of human beings.
The spread of terrorism within Islam appears to be due to the many factors:
The after effects of previous colonial oppression of Muslim countries
Authoritarian dictatorships in the Middle East any of which are artificially propped up with American foreign policy with their depressing record of corruption, civil rights violations, and low standard of living. This results in a loss of hope among their public.
I think that countries around the world should be grateful that Obama was elected, not because he is better than any other president, but because his message was one which reached out to a greater sense of duty toward our fellow humans. He represents a rejection of facism. He will be under pressure and lied to by those with agendas, so remember he is human. Americans, with the exception of evangelicals have rejected Bush's foreign policy.
Religion fighting religion, what a surprise. When will people ignore leaders who preach war and speak of enemies being inherently evil for their beliefs. Why can't humans overpower and rebel against authority without placing another authority in charge. Why do we need Presidents and Ayatollahs?
9:8-9 (Y. Ali) "How (can there be such a league), seeing that if they get an advantage over you, they respect not in you the ties either of kinship or of covenant? With (fair words from) their mouths they entice you, but their hearts are averse from you; and most of them are rebellious and wicked. The Signs of Allah have they sold for a miserable price, and (many) have they hindered from His way: evil indeed are the deeds they have done."
Religion always leads to war. As misconceptions, and superstition and fear always lead to war. There is no true religion. If God wants to speak to anyone, I'm sure it would be powerful enough to do so by itself. It would not use illiterate wanderers as delivery boys for divine wisdom. You have been enticed by other fair words. Discover the world for yourself and reality for yourself. Islam came from Christianity. Abraham never reached Mecca. It never happened, Neither did the Torah or the Bible.
Try reading Sun Szu or Machiavelli's 'Discourses'... the precept for MOST wars is GREED- how much MONEY can be made off of the rape of all resources of newly acquired territories...
"Religion is the cause of all wars..." what an ironically and widely abused aphorism of the ignorant. Perhaps 'aphorism' is not applicable here as it implies a general astuteness.
Religion makes people easily manipulated. Believe in God if you must, but don't believe in religion, all religions are lies. I can prove they are all lies. All religions have evidence against them which disposes of their veracity. Look how many religious scams end up being led by atheists. If I were not ethical I would do the same. Right now in the U.S. military there is a strong evangelical movement. This will lead to facism, a religious facism.
Afghanistan to Russia like Vietnam was for the U.S.
evertonmadrugaful 9 months ago
why dont American fight on American why Afghanistan it is not more Things There I will kill allle American FUCKING NOOB
MegaSaboor 1 year ago
So sad...so true. 5 stars for you my friend.
lst1195 1 year ago
Who supported the afghans during the soviet war ? now have fun dealing with them...
InRUSSIAweTRUST 2 years ago 35
if it was not america u could never be there cuz ur country lost 2 time already the was with afghnistan 200 year ego... and we killed all the british soldier and the commander.. read the hitory if u dont know that.....
Aslambeek 2 years ago 11
Americans are fucking bitches !!
Prorok107 2 years ago 10
Allah the Mercufel, He has made the Quran only to follow it. You have a million choices in life one is save a life just as the use name
wallidjan said that is one of you do not want to follow the quran then you can have freedom in this life but in your spirit when you die you won't god will punish you by putting you in a box with fire snakes are all around you, you will not be able to talk or any sort of talking, the only choice you will have is your hands and mouth, they will say all
AFGSMOKER 2 years ago
To be fair and honest stevenweir76 is correct. The big question is WHY? God punish us all if he truly and deeply love us. Why do people has to die in order to fulfill his plan?????
AJToque 2 years ago
Who is the Creator of People and Plants?
To those arrogant people who deny the existence of God, Allah questions them about His creatures. Who is the creator of sperm and plant? People or God the All Wise Creator?
Have ye seen that which ye emit?
Do ye create it or are We the creator? [Quran 56:58-59]
wallidjan 2 years ago
Who/what is the God?
BorshCaen 2 years ago
The Universe, Who is its Creator?
It is hard to proof that God exists. But if we take a look to the planes, cars, TVs, etc, it would be irrational if we say that all exist by themselves. There must be people who make them!
If the simple thing such as the match has its makers, then the universe that far more complex than that must be has its creator.
wallidjan 2 years ago
I asked who/what is the God? U can't answer to.
BorshCaen 2 years ago
God is absolutely other than His creation, for the Creator cannot have the same kind of being as His creation. Although this is self-evident, some people still ask why we cannot see God directly.
"Allah is the Creator of all things and He is the agent on which all things depend." [Quran 39:62]
"Allah created you and whatever you do." [Quran 37:96]
"And no calamity strikes except by Allahs permission." [Quran 64:11]
wallidjan 2 years ago
Personally me never ask why we can't see the God directly. And who wrote Quran, Bible, Tora? Was it the God? No. That were people. Did it He personally? No. People did it instead of Him. Not by His will but just becuase will for power above the rest people. You qote people writings - not Gods.
BorshCaen 2 years ago
Every man inevitably has to face and answer the following questions in relation to his existence Why am I here? Who put me here? and How did I get here? Without answering these questions man will wander through life aimlessly without any reference point or criteria for his actions and decisions. These questions will continue to haunt him unless they are comprehensively and conclusively answered.
wallidjan 2 years ago
God does not want to punish us, God has given us free choice to do good or bad (kill a human being or save a life that is your choice) God want good for us He created us so that we may go to paradise our choice is whether we do good to succeed in hereafter or follow our evil desires that will lead to hell
wallidjan 2 years ago
In the end I think US and it's allies will leave Afghanistan because these Afghans has been fighting for so long against so many different people, they know how to fight a long war and they have infinite resource and people because time on their hand allows it.
5687678 2 years ago 5
Yea but i still don't get it
They can stand against the whole USA army ,yeah not the whole but i mean,and other countries,while countrys in that okace are known to be rather poor..
They keep having troops and equipment there and can take the hole american expensive technologies
Sevival 2 years ago
And the antagonizing continues...
FriedChikkin 2 years ago
Why would God give rules specifically for Mohammed's wives?? No one else's? The Qur'an is a bizarre book, with strange and contradicting rules. It does not bring light to life, rather it confuses what actually is. People fight and die for these words because they truely believe in them. How would you know what God wants from you. Wouldn't God tell you the direction of your life instead of leaving it open to interpretation? Why create a being and then enslave it. This is not how a parent acts.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
I'm really sorry I let a stubbornly ignorant bigot, and yes I refer to the YouTube user 'stevenweir76', get the better of me. The braying of an ass becomes easily exacerbating to anything positive being learned or taught and I lowered myself to his arrogant antagonizing and bullying.
FriedChikkin 2 years ago
There is not one shred of evidence, not one, to back up anything that Jesus, Mohammed or any other prophet has said. There is not one shred of scientific evidence to support the claims of any holy text. There are several amoral acts committed in the Bible and the Qur'an and yet you are still scared of God. Don't be. If there actually were a God it would not punish it's children with hell. These words were written to subjugate the masses. Seriously, you can't tell these words were man-made?
stevenweir76 2 years ago 2
it seems so obvious doesn't it?
Capitalocracy 2 years ago
Politics in Canada are bringing up the proposed withdrawal of Canadian forces from Afghanistan in 2011. What should Canada do?
Should we listen to Americans and stay, or withdraw and leave local law enforcement take over the main responsibilities?
stevenweir76 2 years ago
Canada should leave Afghanistan its for the best, having foreign troop in Afghanistan does not help the security situation as local Afghan never like foreign troop in their country. Its better if Canada spends more money recruiting Afghan police and soldiers as Afghanistan should be for Afghans not for foreign invasion
wallidjan 2 years ago
I think that is pretty much what Canadian officials are trying to do at this point. I think American policy will be to stay, but the withdrawal should happen in 2011 from what I hear for Canada at least. They are still training local law enforcement so if Afghanistan can police itself it should be better for all. I know I wouldn't feel comfortable with foreign police in my country, mind you we are not besieged by Taliban either.
stevenweir76 2 years ago 2
Pol Pot's dogma was facist communism, not atheism. You don't understand that by saying that someone goes to war because they are atheist is the same as saying they went to war because they were aZeusist or aVishnuist. It's silly to say. Pol Pot was responsible for his actions, it was not because he didn't believe in God, it's because he was a sick and twisted asshole. Do you need a list of religious wars and leaders who would not have otherwise fought except for their belief in God?
stevenweir76 2 years ago
As for your accusations of me being a jackass, I am not playing here. I think the Qur'an is evil, I think the Bible is evil. I think the Torah and every religion is evil. I think the Dalai Lama is evil. So when I speak these words it is out of concern for the future of humanity. So shut your face.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
Sounds like you're masturbating your ego really.
FriedChikkin 2 years ago
Trust me when I say that youtube does no good for my ego. I think I am developing a Super Id though. I am constantly humbled by the stark realization that I can never convince anyone of anything, I figure that by the age of ten people are pretty much set in their ways as to what they believe. I don't expect anyone to change their minds. But if I make one person realize that atheists aren't evil, I'll call it a day.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
Do you really think that after 200000 years of human existence, and over 3 billion years of evolution that suddenly God would show up? This sheer arrogance has humanity on the precipice of destruction, which is no problem for people who believe in an afterlife. Humanity will not survive this superstitious period unless it abandons it's superstition. The difference from the past being that wingnuts like Kim Jong-Il now have nuclear weapons. Keep it up, let's all die.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
Do you really look in the mirror and find nothing magnificent in your unique being? To be atheist you must accept your life and existence as being as arbitrarily as the dust particle floating in space... because there must be no underlying reason despite whatever it is we each may come to know.
FriedChikkin 2 years ago
Nothing. Humans are predictable animals. They can be made to behave as animals when their rights, freedoms, safety, food, water, children, etc are taken from them. To deny that we have an animal side is to foster that animal side. We can't escape that we were created by a brutal, merciless process of survival of the fittest. But as beings that have developed intelligence we have the ability to reason and rise above it, or we can let it slide into what others tell us we should accept and do.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
The main problem you have Wallidjan is that all religions suffer the same problem. They have no evidence or understanding of what actually created the universe. After having read the Qur'an, are you still mystified, or do you have all the answers? If the Qur'an is as enlightened as you say. Predict something that science doesn't know yet that the Qur'an will be correct about. Anything. One thing, if you can, I'll convert. As it stands, the Qur'an is scientifically wrong about many things.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
"WAR is a racket. It always has been.
It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives."
'WAR IS A RACKET'
by Two-Time Congressional Medal of Honor Recipient Major General Smedley D. Butler - USMC Retired
Again, war is about GREED you small-brained nincompoop. Your pedestal is still vapor. EDUCATE YOURSELF.
FriedChikkin 2 years ago
The atheist knows something which religion seems to deny. It is impossible for everyone to accept any religion. Religion will never succeed, not one religion can. There will always be doubters. But if humanity continues to spread knowledge, I can foresee the death of religion. It will also be the end of needless suffering. Why does Iran fight for a softer rule. It's because the Burka isn't even dictated by the Qur'an. It's because rules were imposed by the Qur'an and others that need not be.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
"The atheist knows something which religion seems to deny. It is impossible for everyone to accept any religion." Wow. I'm enthralled with the support of a general opinion by a perennial truth.
It. Is. IMPOSSIBLE. for. EVERYONE. to accept. ANY. Religion.
Wow, moving. I'm moved.
FriedChikkin 2 years ago
Do you know why they call it religious belief? Because there is no religious evidence. Otherwise it would be called religious fact, which is an oxymoron. If anything were ever proven to be fact, it would no longer fall under religion. We would accept God as a fact, but we don't. There are even splits within Islam and amongst even individuals as to what to believe. There is no such controversy amongst scientists when it comes to science. They prove things with evidence, not supposition.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
That's like there's never revision to any scientific text. There was an interesting article in NewScientist 2 yrs ago regarding Quantum Predisposition as a theory to explain how everything is except that 2 mathematicians did not approve of the theory because, if true, it would allow the acceptance of the possibility that someone, keeping track of all particles would KNOW when "X" person approached a choice, which would be made. ATHEIST SCIENTISTS want to disprove God, not all scientists.
FriedChikkin 2 years ago
The very notion that a final text was written as a guide should come across as the stupidest thing ever said or written.Life is constantly changing. Yet there are no revisions to Holy Texts, just people spouting the same unscientific bullshit of eons past. Why people hold superstition so dearly is insufferable to anyone with half a brain. Science does evolve, when religions evolve, they are abandoned.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
...not that I'd expect YOU to be a reader of NewScientist coming across as you do.
FriedChikkin 2 years ago
How many times have you doubted?
The Quran says:
2:42 Confound not truth with falsehood, nor knowingly conceal the truth.
It's one of the phrases in the Qur'an I agree with. So answer honestly,and you will know the truth. You repeatedly convince yourself of what is true, without actually knowing or even believeing what you say.Are you afraid of death? We all are. It doesn't change the fact that it will happen.What legacy to leave then?A world of war and hatred, or one of truth and acceptance.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
From the moment man opens his eyes to this world a great order surrounds him. He needs oxygen to survive. It is interesting that the atmosphere of the planet on which he lives provides more than just the adequate amount of oxygen he needs. This way, he breathes without difficulty. For the existence of life on this planet, the existence of a source of heat is essential.
wallidjan 2 years ago
In response to this need, the sun is located just at the right distance to emit just the exact amount of heat and energy man needs. Man needs nourishment to survive. Every corner of the world abounds in astonishingly diversified provisions. Likewise, man needs water. Surprisingly, three-fourths of the planet is covered with water. Man needs shelter, and in this world, there is land on which it is suitable to build and all sorts of materials to make shelters
wallidjan 2 years ago
Scientists have actually devised 4 different solar system configurations using mathematical models that could support life. I wonder how many more there are possible. That is only life as we know it. Titan, a moon of Saturn is being looked at as having a higher probability of life than Mars.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
wallidjan "He needs oxygen to survive."
You don't believe evolution is even a possibility,do you? I keep finding ignorance potrayed as divine truth in every religious denomination. Do you realize that within only 15 light years of our sun are two stars that are so similar that if the Earth were orbiting them it would survive. Plants evolved to breathe Carbon dioxide. Animals evolved to breathe oxygen. It was very seredipitious indeed, but that's why single celled life ruled for 3 billion years.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
You are correct when you say that the Earth is indeed the right distance from the sun for conditions as exist here. But the hypothesis of the Habitable life zone is not proven as Titan has an atmosphere. The circumstellar habitable zone, also known as the ecosphere, is thought to exist around all stars, not only the Sun according to the hypothesis. Now imagine how many have planets in that zone.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
"Are you afraid of death? We all are."
No, YOU are.
FriedChikkin 2 years ago
I guess you wouldn't fear death. This life must be so meaningless and yet you fight so fervently for your belief.
Thou doth protest too much.
For me, this life is the only existence and meaning I will ever have. I treasure it and protect it. You would throw it away and the lives of others if skydaddy told you to do it. Good thing your alleged God never actually says or does anything. Is your God evil or impotent? This is the only explanation of the human condition under religion.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
There you go again using your fingers to prove yourself a bombastically ignorant and intolerant of Islam. I'm feeling sorry for your daughter the more I read your uneducated posts. I can tell you don't lift a proverbial finger to educate yourself on the matter before retorting like a jackass.
FriedChikkin 2 years ago
I've educated myslef on the Qur'an to know it was written by people who worshipped the words of an illiterate pedophile who would say anything to garner power. Yeah, I think that about sums up the Qur'an. As for modifications to science. Have they ever backtracked on evolution? No, and they won't, it happened. Yet believers in the Qur'an are too stupid to revise their beliefs to accord to fact. You people believe the same shit that desert nomads believed 1400 years ago. Get with the times.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
"I've educated myslef on the Qur'an to know it was written by people who worshipped the words of an illiterate pedophile who would say anything to garner power."
Shhhhhh.... the jackass speaks. Sorry, I mean, cut-and-pastes from other ignoramuses' posts. BTW It's spelled "worshiped". And if you know that little about Qur'an and Islam I can only contend that what you learned was via osmosis. Truly magical.
FriedChikkin 2 years ago
Are you denying that Mohammed was illiterate or that he was a pedophile?
stevenweir76 2 years ago
Worshipped can be spelled either way. Seriously though, you want to argue spelling? I got better things to do.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
There you go being a jackass again...
FriedChikkin 2 years ago
FriedChikkin,you could be the leader of the next war if you were in such a position. You could declare war on atheism,and you could spread your hatred. You could kill all the Christians,and the Homosexuals too. Or you could realize that war, like the one in Iran, is only going to put some other asshole in power or not. Nothing will be gained. Would you honestly believe a book like the Qur'an if you had picked it up and read it? It's worse than a fairy tale. At least a fairy tale is entertaining.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
"FriedChikkin,you could be the leader of the next war if you were in such a position."
You as well, if not a rapist soldier... the difference is that my fear of God would play a major role of my allowing myself to carry out what those whom don't fear God carry out on a daily basis. This consciousness of God must, for a Muslim, extend from the personal life to, at times, war, I would try with what little I have to stave off the conflagration... would you? I doubt it.
FriedChikkin 2 years ago
Name one evil act that could be commited by an atheist because of there dogma. Now name evil one act that a person of religious belief could do because of their dogma. Can you think of evil commited in the name of religion. Pretty easy, isn't it. Their are Muslims who commit evil, as there are atheists who commit evil. A Muslim is forgiven and even celebrated when they commit mass murder/suicide, an atheist is not.We atheists are responsible for our actions, you are not accountable for the lies.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
"Name one evil act that could be commited by an atheist because of there dogma."
Really? Explain Pol Pot, then.
FriedChikkin 2 years ago
I asked you to name an evil act committed because of atheism. Not to name an evil atheist. Like the crusades or 9/11. Or any number of terroist bombings. Or the obstruction of scientific fact by theism for greed. Those are acts. If you want a list of evil religious I'll need a lot more time.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
Okay, Pol Pot's murdering and tortures... I guess you were too lazy to Google it yourself.
FriedChikkin 2 years ago
"A Muslim is forgiven and even celebrated when they commit mass murder..."
There you go being a jackass again...
FriedChikkin 2 years ago
I have yet to see anyone in the world of Islam who hasn't already jumped to the wrong conclusion. You people are no better than Evangelicals. You sound alike. What do you call a Muslim reading the Qur'an?
Devout.
What do you call a Muslim reading the Bible with skepticism or a Christian reading the Qur'an with skepticism...
A Hypocrite.
I need nothing from religion, your minds are weak and polluted with bullshit.
Maybe someday you will learn. But I'm not holding my breath. Seems I'm doomed.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
Okay Mr. Full-of-shit. Have a nice day.
FriedChikkin 2 years ago
For people who speak of respect for science, you sure believe a lot of things which you have never seen or proved. If a person told you that fairies were responsible for the stars in the sky would you believe it or would you need to see it for yourself? If something is logical, based on experience it causes no conflict, it is fact. Superstitious belief in the supernatural will always lead to unbelief. Thousands of religions preceded Islam and there will be more to follow.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
Here you're just being stupid.
FriedChikkin 2 years ago
@FriedChikken - You said , "Here you're just being stupid."
About what. First you accuse me of Sophism, then stupidity. I assure you I could prove in a court of law that I am neither by any evidence that you could give. But then again I don't expect people who believe in God to respect the burden of proof.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
Go ahead prove you're not stupid.
FriedChikkin 2 years ago
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smajdk 2 years ago
I am equally appalled by the Taliban & the US administration - two sides of the same coin.
LatifAhmadi 2 years ago 2
when will people learn? HISTORY has AFGHANISTAN as a country that has never been conquered.. you can hold it for awhile but then you'll leave it with your head, hearts and morale down to its lowest point... people there just want to be left alone and mind their own business, they dont want change, all they want is to live life day in and day out with the God-given land that they have...they are practical and simple, they will always resist change... going there is a sure suicide.
LatifAhmadi 2 years ago
As a Canadian I see Afghanistan as a great atrocity. What we are doing is not working. The region is so destabilized, and people have been dehumanized. This oversimplification of the issues by Western media is disturbing to me. We didn't learn from history, and Canadian leaders felt they could not risk losing friendship with the United States to do the right thing. We now feel we have to stay to try to repair the damage. What would happen otherwise? Do they really want Taliban rule?
stevenweir76 2 years ago
You are entitled to your world view of course - I probably don't agree with you all, on some levels at present.
Petty power games. Terrorists.
Once Alexander wrote letter to his mom, while in fight with Afghans and said, " i am involved in the land of a Leonine ( lion-like ) and brave people, where every foot of the ground is like a wall of steel, confronting my soldiers. You have brought only one son into the world, but Everyone in this land can be called an Alexander.
LatifAhmadi 2 years ago
Explain to me Zakat al-Fitrah. Who determines how the money is spent? Why does Allah need your money. I can see why Mohammed wanted money, but Allah? Give me a break. You are victims of your upbringing, just as Christians, Muslims and Jews, Hindus, whatever. As least Jesus gave out information for free. If Allah didn't want you to have all that money, why did it end up in your pocket to begin with? Why are some humans priveliged to spend your money, and live more lavishly than you?
stevenweir76 2 years ago
God doesn't need anything, does He? He will judge what each did according to the sustenance afforded him. You still come across as the dimwit who has not read Qur'an even ONCE!
FriedChikkin 2 years ago
I have read enough of the Qur'an to see that it is petty and infantile, written by men to control others. I have the same problem with all religions that you had with Catholicism. It is simply beyond me that you could percieve Islam any different than Christianity. As an atheist, my morals are guided by my own conscience, and I am accountable for my own actions. There is no God telling me what to do. If I kill, I have selfishly murdered. When religions kill, it is "the will of Allah"
stevenweir76 2 years ago
When no one is witness there is NO accountability in Atheism. Murder, theft, rape, lying... these are not the actions of a person who fears God no matter what he entitles himself.
FriedChikkin 2 years ago
@FriedChikken -Just because you want justice doesn't mean it is so. To quote you "Truth Hurts" Murderers kill, Thieves steal. These crimes will sometimes go unpunished and sometimes the innocent are persecuted. This belief in divine justice prevents true justice. But it is funny that I do not entitle myself as you put it. Where does my morality come from then? Yours comes from fear of God appraently. How noble, you are scared straight with no morality of your own.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
Your sense of morality exists within the framework of self and socially-defined rights and wrongs. So long as it serves your ego I suppose you will keep trumpeting your self-described superior morals, eh?
FriedChikkin 2 years ago
If Allah is all powerful why can't he get his message accross without books or relying on Caliphs, Ayatollahs, Mullahs, Muezzins, or Sahibs.
Has he no power to tell me himself? In language I can understand.
These leaders interpret the Qur'an for their own political gain.
The Qur'an tries to punish those who believe in other scriptures, Scriptures that existed before the Qur'an. Why did Allah forsake so many without hope. Why didn't the message come sooner?
stevenweir76 2 years ago
may be if you read Quran with meaning in your language,you will get answers.
karosheedi 2 years ago
Half these morons, like the moron in present case, don't want to make any effort. They want to spoon-fed EVERYthing, even knowledge!
FriedChikkin 2 years ago
How many books of science have you read before you blatantly rejected them for your fairytale afterlife. you being a former Christian, what makes Islam any better. Word for word, the Qur'an is more violent and less tolerant than the Bible, containing stupid miracles which you believe but have never seen. You believe in a God which has never spoken to you. You speak of the Catholic church as a corporation, perhaps you should look at the mosques in Medina or Mecca and tell me where the money's at.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
The HANDFUL of Muslims I met in college were medically, scientifically and medically more apt than anyone I'd met before-one even thought the school system here so inept she took up Advanced Calculus for fun in college. I doubt, given your track record here, that you could hold a stick to what I know... heck your dialogue alone is the bottom of my philosophical bucket much less-MUCH LESS-your sophomoric 'proofs' against Qur'an. There's a perfect description: Sophist. Specious.
FriedChikkin 2 years ago
FriedChikkin said "The HANDFUL of Muslims I met in college......etc." Ad Hominem. You think if I were a nothing more than a janitor that my opinions would not matter. Religion has taught you nothing but undeserved elitism. I am college and university educated, but regardless, I do not ignore when people speak because of their station. You have revealed yourself for how petty you are. Everyone has something to teach you, but you only listen to your book. I also doubt you were ever Catholic.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
I just HAPPEN to have met them in college. No need to defend your elitist frame of mind.
FriedChikkin 2 years ago
You have called me Sophist FriedChikkin, that hurts. I have endevoured my whole life to seek the truth. Here I am accused of perpetuating the illusion. Tell me what I have lied about or complicated in order to deceive you. I think you will have a hard time trying to disprove anything. My logic follows, my science is supported by the institution that weeds out lies. You will find my words chosen and uninterpretable, with only one meaning. This confuses you because everything is a parable to you.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
A common aphorism is that "Truth hurts."
FriedChikkin 2 years ago
My language has precise meaning, it does not allude to or symbolize or represent. It just is, that's why Holy Books do not appeal to me. They contain lies from a moral and scientific perspective. The reason that some Muslims are terrorists and some are peaceful is the same reason Christians havesome crusaders and some peaceful people. Their holy books support both positions, and when you have God on your side, what can't you do? Religion is a tool for politicians to control society, nothing more
stevenweir76 2 years ago
I still haven't come across your offering of a better modus operandi by which anyone might live his life. I haven't read your suggestion(s) for those unhappy with life in any way, shape or form. I've not read what reason you have for any of your diatribe. What betterment, then, do you offer or suggest? Do you have anything besides ill-will towards your fellow man or do you wish to 'free' us from this bondage of self-realized/imposed grandiose purpose? Your pedestal is still vapor.
FriedChikkin 2 years ago
Golden rule, nothing more. I try to create the world I want to live in and want my daughter to live in. I don't want her to grow up believing that a magic man in the sky will save her regardless of her flaws and indiscretions. She will learn responsibility toward her fellow humans. Any religions feels a priveledge above others that they are somehow chosen. I believe we are all in this together. Religions do not lead to peace, secularism does, this is statistically proven.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
If statistics might prove anything about statistics it's that they're inaccurate 100% of the time. They do not dictate how any life will play out and you will have a harder time instilling and expecting selflessness from someone who is less able to calculate overall and ultimate benefit.
FriedChikkin 2 years ago
@FriedChikkin - "If statistics might prove anything..."
Actually statistics are responsible for discovering underlying truths. There is a scientific approach to gathering statistics which someone who does not respect science such as you would like to ignore. The Academy of Sciences is 92% atheist. Why the elite minds would reach this conclusion? Research that statistic. Also look up rates of education and crime and compare them to atheism. It doesn't shock me, but it will flatten your argument.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
BOR•ING "If statistics might prove anything about statistics it's that they're inaccurate 100% of the time."
You can't prove me wrong at all here, but, again, you reword and convolute as if someone ELSE asked you a question of similar verbiage, of which the value must be different because you evade all of my directed AT YOU questions in this manner... go ahead and review all of your responses to me, it's your modus operandi. It's the M.O. of most cut-and-paste sophist "philosophers".
FriedChikkin 2 years ago
@FriedChikken-
There you go, using the Spanish Inquisition's methods. Guilty until proven innocent.
If statistics are wrong or to put it in your words "If statistics might prove anything about statistics it's that they're inaccurate 100% of the time."
Why does Iran stand in the midst of a civil war? Maybe it's because the numbers don't add up. You have a lot to learn about life. Just like I know I am beating a dead horse. I know when someone is set in their ways. It will bring you misery.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
"Why does Iran stand in the midst of a civil war?" Do you know how or WHY the CIA got Mosadegh ousted? You don't know SHIT about the history of Iran but you can repeat what you read of the headlines like any other bobble-head. What's impressive about that? What's impressive about you? You come to intiate insulting comments and waste our time-when I ask you to offer something better you CAN'T so I must accept your real intention is antagonization... to be a sophist.
FriedChikkin 2 years ago
You stupid moron - you answered your own Goddamned question. You keep looking to everyone else for answers. Open up that tiny fucking mind of yours and make this world a better place instead of tearing everyone else apart.I am trying to teach that no individual on Earth is imparted divine wisdom from anywhere. This incessant need from the small minded to be herded like sheep to the will of silver tongued orators is what drives my hope to oblivion. Earth is our heaven, Earth is our Hell. Wake Up!
stevenweir76 2 years ago
Should I have expected the dog to stop barking?
FriedChikkin 2 years ago
Do *Muslims* really waste THIS much time barking on atheist YT videos? Do they? Heck, I don't remember the last atheism video I wasted my time watching. On a slight tangent I find it's so odd that our entire educational system is secular but people like you STILL bitch when some refuse to accept the universe and ourselves at such a simplified face value. I know what you're trying to "teach"-I accept it as you accept theism; as self-righteous bullshit.
FriedChikkin 2 years ago
What is self-righteous is when you have no evidence of your entire system for living yet you tell us what is fact. Education is secular because religion has no facts to teach, there are thousands upon thousands of religions, most dead and gone and none of them speak an iota of what actually is. Religion is for stupid people who reject education and fact. Who are capable of only pretending to know instead of actually knowing. You call me a dog, who is self-righteous. Religion teaches disrespect.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
As for atheists barking on Muslim videos as FriedChikken puts it. How many atheists threathen to dominate the world? How many atheists will tell you that the religious will burn in hell. Your unsubstantiated lies will only lead to more hatred. I know that Islam is proud that It is growing faster at the expense of Christianity. But guess what, here's a news flash. Atheism is growing faster than Islam. Now tell me what you have to fear from atheism. I'll tell you what I fear from Islam.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
So stop barking.
FriedChikkin 2 years ago
BO•RING
FriedChikkin 2 years ago
Look at this dumb shit answer of yours... you haven't even read Qur'an ONCE through. At least I did that much before going ahead and talking like I know anything about anything... but nope, you've got diarrhea to spare, thanks.
FriedChikkin 2 years ago
My personal favorite. Why would Allah create me?
Why would Allah create a soul only to burn it. Would you do this to your disobedient child? Perhaps you would, but I won't? The rate of return on punishment for sin committed in infinitely preposterous. If your child disagreed with something you said, anything, would you burn them for eternity. These beliefs are perverse, meant to scare you into being a subject of a religious ruling class. There are over 500 mentions of punishment for disbelief.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
BO•RING Try, WHY ARE YOU HERE? You're good at twisting words and intention to give cut-and-paste asshole answers I've read COUNTLESS TIMES because, undoubtedly, there are innumerous assholes like yourself ready to give these same cut-and-paste answers whom, when asked, have NO BETTER RETORT when asked to offer some better way of life... then what's the usual answer? Some asshole response like yours. Surprise! Give it no deep thought, just answer like an asshole... you asshole.
FriedChikkin 2 years ago
I haven't twisted any words. You have to twist the words of the Qur'an to believe them. Hey, I'm not attacking you personally. But when you search for the truth do you stop at one book? There are verses in the Qur'an which betray the human writing of it's verses, betray that it is by no means divine. You do not analyze that which guides your life. How stupid of you. Just think for one second, If God wanted to unify mankind, wouldn't he. It is men who seek division and wealth, religion delivers.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
16:93 (Y. Ali) if allah so willed, He could make you all one people: But He leaves straying whom He pleases, and He guides whom He pleases: but ye shall certainly be called to account for all your actions.
FriedChikkin 2 years ago
37:164 There is not one of us but hath his known position.
Even God doesn't know I guess. Unless Allah didn't write the Qur'an.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
Who wrote the Qur'an - Allah or Mohammed?
6:104 Proofs have come unto you from your Lord, so whoso seeth, it is for his own good, and whoso is blind is blind to his own hurt. And I am not a keeper over you.
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2:106 Nothing of our revelation (even a single verse) do we abrogate or cause be forgotten, but we bring (in place) one better or the like thereof. Knowest thou not that Allah is Able to do all things?
---Except get it right the first time.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
And now the reason to not be a moderate Muslim:
If you believe in only part of the Scripture, you will suffer in this life and go to hell in the next. 2:85
So, if you do not believe that the Earth is spread out (flat) and that the sun goes around the Earth and lands in a puddle, you're in trouble.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
May we all find out the hard way. May you live a thousand years and have all the good things of this life. Pray tell, though, what is the point of your existence? I refer to when you meet that unavoidable juncture in your life where nothing takes place by your will... when death becomes you. Have you resolved, like many another, to "just not think about it"? I suppose, yes, you could say that we're all here by incalculable serendipitous fortune... oh what pretty words. Pretty, empty.
FriedChikkin 2 years ago
Our purpose is what we make of it. Yours appears to be a meaningless praise giving to an imaginary deity who is so vain, conceited, and insecure that it requires that all subjects bow 5 times a day to prove their loyalty. My meaning in life is to make life better for myself and others. Not to quibble over whose dogma is superior, and who kisses God's ass the most. It's seems even emptier to me to worship an imaginary super being whom there is no proof for.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
BO•RING
FriedChikkin 2 years ago
What I am trying to say is that the "facts" as the Qur'an would have you disbelieve what we know as fact, and even conflicts with itself. I have given empirical evidence as to the Qur'an being false. Now that is not to say that Islam doesn't have a beautiful culture, but as Christianity, it is in spite of it's central text. People ignore what they want to because there is much that is known to be wrong.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
Empirical or a priori, your evidence is weak and as unconvincing as the first few times I've read and heard such impotent meanderings against Qur'an and Islam.
FriedChikkin 2 years ago
36:38 And the sun runneth on unto a resting-place for him. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise. "The sun runneth on unto a resting-place for him."
36:40 It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit.
Sun going round the Earth again, guess it didn't go in the mud puddle.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
Attempt the perspective of he who is the intended reader of Qur'an. It is man. There is only ONE of you, all things in this universe, including the intangible time, exist relative to YOU. Consider Robert Greene's "The Elegant Universe" (book or DVD lol)... a whole book to explain through so many words and equations that time is relative. Considering the sun and moon, much less EVERY THING, despite their own orbits, they revolve around you.
FriedChikkin 2 years ago
That's very self centered. But that's exactly what I expect from someone who is small minded, without perception of relativity. Not the other way around. It does not say as though or appears, it says that it does. This is what many believed until the advance of astronomy.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
BO•RING
FriedChikkin 2 years ago
18:86 Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness.
The sun sets in the mud according to the Qur'an.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
What moron walked the earth and ever waded through any body of water or mud in this case and found THE SUN therein? This clearly has to be accepted as the firsthand line of sight considering the horizon of the earth and the person.
bo•ring
FriedChikkin 2 years ago
Yeah, what you call boring, I call wrong. Your argument is not just horrible against this,in fact it's non-existent. There is no mention of reflection, only the sun setting in a muddy spring. Not the horizon as the ocean, a muddy spring. A muddy spring seems a rather small object as a line of sight. It also says in, not on.
For revelations, the language is incredibly inprecise. But I know that religious texts say little if anything that is actually interesting as far as the truth is concerned.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
"And thy Lord inspired the bee, saying ... eat of all fruits." 16:68-68
Allah told bees to eat from all fruits, but the bees decided to defy Allah to eat nectar.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
NECTAR
1. the saccharine secretion of a plant, which attracts the insects or birds that pollinate the flower.
2. THE JUICE OF A FRUIT, esp. when not diluted, or a blend of fruit juices: pear nectar; tropical nectar.
"...eat OF all fruits" it is not "...eat ALL OF the fruits..."
ho hum, again your pedestal proves made of vapor and pride.
FriedChikkin 2 years ago
Bees don't eat fruit at all.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
BO•RING
FriedChikkin 2 years ago
13:2 Allah it is Who raised up the heavens without visible supports, then mounted the Throne, and compelled the sun and the moon to be of service, each runneth unto an appointed term; He ordereth the course; He detaileth the revelations, that haply ye may be certain of the meeting with your Lord.
There's that sun, running around the Earth again, seems Ptolemy was correct.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
Your reasoning here is not supported by the verse. Go ahead, support it.
FriedChikkin 2 years ago
Here is the man-made slip up....
7:182 And those who deny Our revelations - step by step We lead them on from whence they know not.
7:183 I give them rein (for) lo! My scheme is strong.
Note the wording carefully. Allah can't keep pronouns straight., these two verses betray the Qur'an for what it really is. Man-made.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
What pronouns are you referring to here? Please be careful, I'm sure you're going to prove a lot less didactic than you sell yourself to be.
FriedChikkin 2 years ago
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stevenweir76 2 years ago
It's also kind of hypocritical to believe one miracle of Jesus but not the others.
(5:110) "O Jesus, son of Mary! Remember ... how thou didst shape of clay as it were the likeness of a bird by My permission, and didst blow upon it and it was a bird."
Jesus made a bird out of clay that came to life when he blew on it.?? The Qur'an is based upon the Bible, yet you reject the Bible. Just as the hypocrisy of Christians who deny the Torah.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
More context for that last verse:
5:102 A folk before you asked (for such disclosures) and then disbelieved therein.
By asking a question, he came to disbelieve.
Why would this be so if the words spoken in the Qur'an were not absurd?
stevenweir76 2 years ago
Here is a verse to ponder, it is the absolute one verse in the Qur'an which I reject from the essence of my very life, and will never concede:
5:101 O ye who believe! Ask not of things which, if they were made unto you, would trouble you; but if ye ask of them when the Qur'an is being revealed, they will be made known unto you. Allah pardoneth this, for Allah is Forgiving, Clement.
In other words, do not seek the truth/do not think. I am a scientist, I would lie to myself to not try to know.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
I have morals yet no God commands me. My morality is my own, and I am proud of it. I nuture it. Treat it as importantly as my own life. I am flawed, but when it boils down to it, I am a good person, no God, no Vishnu, no Jesus. I am not doomed to burn for eternity, if I were, there is no God worth believing anyway. I do not have hatred in my heart for anyone. But a persons spirit is weak when it must come from someone or something else. Find your inner strength, your own courage, it's yours.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
You have never and will never see the likes of the miracles of the Qur'an. Under logic we don't see these things in real life. But years ago, when people were more confused, and more barbaric, these religious doctrines took hold. If I were to give you a book like the Qur'an with only the names changed, and you had never read the Qur'an, could you believe it? The answer is no, you couldn't. Someone has convinced you to accept superstition. Isn't it time that the facts prevailed over superstition?
stevenweir76 2 years ago
You have not understood what the Quran and islam is about you have just found out about Quran through television the media its time you visit some real muslims.
wallidjan 2 years ago
Actually. I have only been looking at the book itself. Not the culture, it would be intriguing to sit down with Muslims who would openly talk to an atheist. I must admit, however, that I find you less than objective. You too have not told me what you reject that is in the Qur'an, if you reject anything at all. For instance, moderate Christians reject the literal translation of Genesis. Charles Darwin himself was a Christian until his discoveries strained his belief.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
Murdering a person for no reason is one of the most obvious examples of mischief. God repeats in the Qur'an a command He formerly revealed to Jews in the Old Testament thus:
wallidjan 2 years ago
There is a greter sympathy for Islam right now then there ever has been, but also a greater intolerance but extremists. There is a large faction of Americans who still believe that torture is right. Same as Islam with it's Jihadists. The way to disempower them is to spread the truth. Not what you think is the truth, but fundamental truths, like everyone deserves to live their lives in peace without fear of dying for whatever reason.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
The Qur'an is a Book revealed to people as a guide to the true path and in this Book, God commands man to adopt good morals. This morality is based upon concepts such as love, compassion, tolerance and mercy. God calls all people to Islamic morals through which compassion, mercy, peace and tolerance can be experienced all over the world:
You who believe! Enter absolutely into peace (Islam). Do not follow in the footsteps of Satan. He is an outright enemy to you.
wallidjan 2 years ago
wallidjan, you say that the Qur'an teaches peace, but you know it also teaches hatred. Why can't you find peace without the idea of a God. Do you want to live a trillion years. At what point do you become tired and bored with existence? We are not eternal creatures, our lives are finite. I choose neither God nor Satan, as none exist. You have never witnessed a miracle such as those in the Qur'an or the Bible. What logic teaches you to believe?
stevenweir76 2 years ago
Innocuous messages lead to confusing messages, lead to evil and downright deceptive messages. But in the innocuous phase of attaining a following, the religion seems harmless. Then in large groups, how do you defy the religious leader, he is already empowered, and whether you believe what he is saying or not, you follow out of fear of rejection. Humans are fallible, and when they falter, they need to be put in their place. Moderate religions support extreme religions, make no doubt.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
The values of the Qur'an hold a Muslim responsible for treating all people, whether Muslim or non-Muslim, kindly and justly, protecting the needy and the innocent and preventing the "dissemination of mischief". Mischief comprises all forms of anarchy and terror that remove security, comfort and peace. As God says in a verse, "God does not love mischief makers". (Surat al-Qasas: 77)
wallidjan 2 years ago
So We decreed for the tribe of Israel that if someone kills another person - unless it is in retaliation for someone else or for causing corruption in the earth - it is as if he had murdered all mankind. And if anyone gives life to another person, it is as if he had given life to all mankind. Our Messengers came to them with Clear Signs but even after that many of them committed outrages in the earth. (Surat al-Ma'ida: 32)
wallidjan 2 years ago
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stevenweir76 2 years ago
"The U.S. government demanded that the Taliban hand over Bin Laden. The Talibans response was to demand proof of Bin Ladens guilt, and after receiving none, they refused to hand him over. "
Didn't Osama Bin Laden claim responsibility for the attacks on Sept.11?
stevenweir76 2 years ago
No, actually if ppl were to do research thats is the scary thing and that is what keeps so many truthers out there pushing the truth out because....Osama Bin Laden NEVER claimed responsibility for the attacks! It was all planned, like the rest of history: seek and you shall find we were instructed.
All truth goes through 3 phases; 1st: it is Ridiculed, 2nd: it is violently opposed and 3rd: it is taken for being self evident.
A nation of Sheep will beget a pack of hungry wolves!
mzjwright 2 years ago
If the world never had George Bush and Osama Bin Laden, think what a better place this would be. Then again, it makes us appreciate each other more when we see just how foolish those who attain power are. The problem with the wise and humble is that they do not seek power. The only thing we can do to stop this is to diminish their power and reject their dogma. Fear leads people to believe that we need protection and guidance from others. What we need is guidance to others, to see the truth.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
Islam is not a homogenous religion. It is divided into many subgroups, including Sunni, Shi'ite, and Sufi. A very small, radical, hate-filled, extremist, Fundamentalist, terrorist wing does exist. So too does a much larger peaceful, moderate wing. Unfortunately, the former seem to capture all the media's attention, while the latter is rarely heard from.
wallidjan 2 years ago
Here is what strikes at my heart. Moderates accept others beliefs. But that requires conceding that parts of the Qur'an are wrong. All religious texts say to destroy your enemies. The extremists, be they Jihadists or Evangelicals are more devout, and follow the literal interpretations of the Bible and Qur'an.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
dude...wt the hell...u believe in sept 11 as Osama's act??? do some research man...
shahzad113 2 years ago
Everthing I read/see/hear everywhere says that he is a Jihadist, which regardless if his religion demands it, is unacceptable to an atheist such as myself, he claimed responsibility for the attacks. This man is filthy rich and has evil opinions and dogma which do nothing to promote peace amongst humankind. I think if you read the Qur'an, you will see that it fails as much as the Bible and the Torah when it comes to social justice, morality and equal treatment of human beings.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
The spread of terrorism within Islam appears to be due to the many factors:
The after effects of previous colonial oppression of Muslim countries
Authoritarian dictatorships in the Middle East any of which are artificially propped up with American foreign policy with their depressing record of corruption, civil rights violations, and low standard of living. This results in a loss of hope among their public.
wallidjan 2 years ago
I think that countries around the world should be grateful that Obama was elected, not because he is better than any other president, but because his message was one which reached out to a greater sense of duty toward our fellow humans. He represents a rejection of facism. He will be under pressure and lied to by those with agendas, so remember he is human. Americans, with the exception of evangelicals have rejected Bush's foreign policy.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
Two main conflicts: One of overwhelming importance in Palestine between Jews and Muslims; one in Kashmir between Hindus and Muslims.
wallidjan 2 years ago
Religion fighting religion, what a surprise. When will people ignore leaders who preach war and speak of enemies being inherently evil for their beliefs. Why can't humans overpower and rebel against authority without placing another authority in charge. Why do we need Presidents and Ayatollahs?
stevenweir76 2 years ago
...God knows best but I don't think that is what is implied.
FriedChikkin 2 years ago
9:8-9 (Y. Ali) "How (can there be such a league), seeing that if they get an advantage over you, they respect not in you the ties either of kinship or of covenant? With (fair words from) their mouths they entice you, but their hearts are averse from you; and most of them are rebellious and wicked. The Signs of Allah have they sold for a miserable price, and (many) have they hindered from His way: evil indeed are the deeds they have done."
FriedChikkin 2 years ago
Religion always leads to war. As misconceptions, and superstition and fear always lead to war. There is no true religion. If God wants to speak to anyone, I'm sure it would be powerful enough to do so by itself. It would not use illiterate wanderers as delivery boys for divine wisdom. You have been enticed by other fair words. Discover the world for yourself and reality for yourself. Islam came from Christianity. Abraham never reached Mecca. It never happened, Neither did the Torah or the Bible.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
Try reading Sun Szu or Machiavelli's 'Discourses'... the precept for MOST wars is GREED- how much MONEY can be made off of the rape of all resources of newly acquired territories...
"Religion is the cause of all wars..." what an ironically and widely abused aphorism of the ignorant. Perhaps 'aphorism' is not applicable here as it implies a general astuteness.
FriedChikkin 2 years ago
Religion makes people easily manipulated. Believe in God if you must, but don't believe in religion, all religions are lies. I can prove they are all lies. All religions have evidence against them which disposes of their veracity. Look how many religious scams end up being led by atheists. If I were not ethical I would do the same. Right now in the U.S. military there is a strong evangelical movement. This will lead to facism, a religious facism.
stevenweir76 2 years ago