MAKEDONIA Poseta vo SOLUN

[Reds1896]

if u call urself macedonian then u refer to urself as greek....fullstop

[CAKIMacedonian]

UNITED MACEDONIA

THERE IS ONLY ONE....FROM PROHOR TO THE WHITE SEA,FROM SARA TO THE PIRIN MOUNTAINS....THAT IS ONE LAND,THAT IS ONE NATION,THAT IS MACEDONIA!

[OlympicAirPilot]

having wet dreams about thessaloniki again shithead? guess what, i will go now and have a nice drink in one of the beach clubs in thessaloniki with a beautiful view on the greek macedonian aegean sea and the white tower. what a glorious view! i came! and you in the meanwhile can play your tiny "bird" while dreaming about thessaloniki. like, fapfapfapfap! but don't play it too much, or else you can get blind from all that fapping! hahahahahahaha! muhahahahahaha! hear hear, solun.

[kostas67reth]

Bulgarian tourists.

[Peristerygr]

Αlexander was Greek and he didn't even knew that Slavs exists! Yet he was very anex and hated fanatics -even from his own people! He was also supporter of multiculturalism! An htan zwntanos tha sas ekteloyse me sinoptikes diadikasies, fasistakia! Alla an zouse eiste toso thrasidiloi poy tha kanate toumpeki!

[passariskwstas]

Look a macedonian in 5:48 muahahahahaha, fucking gypsies.

But the most funny is the picture of goce deltsev who was bulgarian, they steal and bulgarian history now hahahaha. This video must shown in every greek to laughing until death, thanks for the laughing idiot gypsies

[RAMADON74]

ancient and modern macedonians always called the city Thessaloniki....Bulgarians call it Solun....

[kallinikos1]

just think of two things.

1.political party that supports your propaganda has no more than 3000votes all over greece in elections.

2.if you think macedonia belongs to you come and get it.why dont you?

[McDonian]

This video should be entitled:

Poorly dressed jugo-pensioners visit Psolun

[McDonian]

btw, what is the first letter of the 'proto-slav' alphabet?

what does it look like??

[Hellenicone]

Ψωλές στα μούτρα σας πουτάνας παιδιά Σλάβοι Σκοπιανοί.

[Hellenicone]

The Slavs of Dardania/Paeonia have grown desperate and their story telling grow more and more fantastical with each passing day.

[Hellenicone]

Ah, yes...the famous "Proto-Slavic" theory of "acclaimed" clown and Skopian historian Donski.  The Skopians now claim the ancient Macedonians didn't speak Hellenic, but "proto-Slavic". Of course they have no proof, but somehow the monkeys in Skopje have to keep pretending that a Bulgarian doesn't understand them and they don't understand Bulgarian.

[mirwhitty]

it is you who don't have proof that ancient macedonians spoke

greek as their native language.

you are quoting Alexander and others as being able to speak greek, at best that shows they were bi lingual, nothing more.

the burden of proof is on you;

you have never proven ancient macedonians were greek!

we don't need to prove anything

we have CONTINUITY as MACEDONIANS

something you can never have.

[Hellenicone]

Show me 1, not 2, just 1 inscription with from the ancient Macedonians in any other language other than Hellenic. In any of their cities Pella, Aegea, Dion, Heraklea Lyncystis etc. Fact is, the Macedonians spoke Hellenic as all their inscriptions throughout the conquered territories show. Their names were Hellenic, their Gods were Hellenic, and their royal family was from Argos in southern Greece.

No matter how much you twist the truth you will still be a pathetic Slav speaking Bulgarian.

[mirwhitty]

you first, since you are so "sure"

show me one ancient macedonian text in greek,

and please don't think that the pella curse qualifies...

of course bulgarians understand what we say,

we gave them the language 1000 years ago:)

ask them what was their language before?

[McDonian]

by "giving" them the language, you also "hatched" the russian, czech, polish and a score of other languages...

Yet, every single scholar of Slavic studies, except in ... fyrom, disagrees with you...

[mirwhitty]

I am glad you brought that up

actually ever scholar of Slavic languages knows that

the southern Slavic languages are the root to all others

that makes the Macedonian language

THE ROOT LANGUAGE to the other slavic languages.

so can you explain why the karpathian slavic (russian) is not the root language if we came from there???

also can you explain why Russians say

THERE IS NOTHING THERE TO EXPLAIN BIG MOVEMENT OF PEOPLE TOWARDS EUROPE in 5th century or EVER!

do you think Russians are lying ?

[McDonian]

Can you provide scientific and scholarly references for the silly claims that you have just aired?

Not people from fyrom, though, please.

So, in your 'esteemed' opinion there was no Slavic migration in the 6th Century, wow!

Thanks, I knew youtube was a great university!!

[mirwhitty]

check out Italian Mario Alinei

in my "esteemed" opinion we don't know anything about the Slavic migration or about the indigenous people the barbarians

we don't know because there is no evidence

no evidence of total replacement of the indigenous people

with slavs.

no evidence how many slavs

no evidence if they brought a different language

today only 15% Macedonians have a slavic genetic marker

but you base your thinking that we are 100 % slavs who came in 6th c.

[masomen88]

aleksandar wos toand blond not like you half metrr from the ground and black like from india beacouse mostovdem came from there if aleksander loked you is goinig to sey hou the fuck you are

[mirwhitty]

if Alexander looked at you, he would call an ambulance

[Hellenicone]

"But Alexander (I), proving himself to be an Argive, was judged to be a Greek;

so he contended in the furlong race and ran a dead heat for first place."

(Herod. V, 22, 2)

[Hellenicone]

The country by the sea which is now called Macedonia... Alexander, the father of Perdiccas, and his forefathers, who were originally Temenidae from Argos"

(Thucydides 99,3 (Loeb, C F Smith)

[Hellenicone]

"Now, that these descendants of Perdiccas are Greeks, as they themselves say, I myself chance to know." (Herod. V, 22, 1 [Loeb])

[Hellenicone]

"Tell your king (Xerxes), who sent you, how his Greek viceroy (Alexander I) of Macedonia has received you hospitably."  (Herod. V, 20, 4 [Loeb])

[Hellenicone]

"Men of Athens, had I not greatly at heart the common welfare of Hellas I should not have come to tell you; but I am myself Hellene by descent, and I would not willingly see Hellas exchange freedom for slavery. If you prosper in this war, forget not to do something for my freedom; consider the risk I have run, out of zeal for the Hellenic cause, to acquaint you with what Mardonius intends, and to save you from being surprised by the barbarians. I am Alexander of Macedon."

The Histories, 9.45

[unitedmake]

Pame Makedones!!! MAKEDONIA GIA TOUS MAKEDONES. Tha eisai pali mia kai megali, min ksexaste pioi eiste! Long live Macedonians!!! Come to Solun!

[Filotimos]

@unitedmake

Bravo re Makedona, as mathoun oi Fyromianoi pos edo stin Ellada oi Makedones mas exoun gera kotsia ellinika. Long live Macedonians, shame on Skopian propagandists.

[Filotimos]

@unitedmake

Shame on Athenian, Skopjan, and all fascism. Even if the region of Macedonia unites, it will have 2.5 million Greeks who consider themselves Macedonians and it will have at least 2 official languages: Greek and the Slavic Macedonian dialect of Florina. And of course, in a united Macedonian state everyone, Greek, Slav, Albanian will be Macedonian. As you say, olloi eimaste Makedones.

[unitedmake]

It is the smartest thing I hear in a long time. If u go even deeper into this probably even the ones u say are slavs or greeks they have the same blood and that is Macedonian blood. The only way for peace in the region is a united motherland! Olloi eimaste Makedones.

[passariskwstas]

@Filotimos Nope, slavs come here thousand years latter and must go back in steppes. Especially these gypsies from fyrom, just see their faces.LOL

[mpleportals]

@Filotimos

Ancient Macedonia had no Slavs!!!

[Peristerygr]

@Filotimos Right point and fairQ Macedonia has both Greeks and Slavs! Yet it doesn't cause hate and it is disliked to those who wish to earn from hate or wishes conquests -conquest has plunder and slaves and is still a very profitable business (see American marine's behaviour at Iraq and Afganistan)!

[lazhets]

I see the Greek-speaking Arvanite and Vlach are upset by this little video. You have to wonder why they fake their Greekness so hard.

[aristotelpiperka]

Egej, Vardar, Pirin, Mala Prespa, Golo Brdo, Gora, Prohor Pchinski = MACEDONIA

[Hellenicone]

@aristotelpiperka

Vardar, Pirin, Mala Prespa, Golo Brdo, Gora, Prohor Pchinski = Dardania/Paoenia

You = SLAV

Speak = Slavic

Slavic != Makedonia

[kostasthess81]

@aristotelpiperka

Gotse Delchef,Tsar Samuel,Georgievski,Voskopoulos = PROUD BULGARIA

[12345papas]

All variations for the city's name derive from the original (and current) appellation in Greek: THESSALONIKI , literally translating to "Thessaly-victory" and in origin the name of a princess, Thessalonike of Macedon, who was so named because she was born on the day of the Macedonian victory at the Battle of Crocus Field.The alternative name Salonica, formerly the common name used in some western European languages, is derived from a variant form SALONIKI in popular Greek speech.

[Filotimos]

They are not Slavs, they are not Macedonians, they are not Bulgarians, they are our Skopianoid friends.

Even better, ask our Albanian friends who these people are... Albanians call them Serbs and want them to get out of FYROM and back into Serbia.

But they are welcome to visit our beautiful Thessalonica, they need the vitamin D of our Aegean sun and the iodion of our Aegean sea.

[mirwhitty]

yet you are so afraid of us!

like every liar is afraid of the truth!

MACEDONIA NEVER GREEK!!!

MnM

[Filotimos]

Afraid of you? Who are you, who is 'us' my friend? I never said Macedonia was Greek, I just said welcome to Thessalonica, etc. Kalos orisate stin Thessaloniki, I hope you spend some money there.

[mirwhitty]

us is the people known throughout history as MACEDONIANS

about spending money in Solun, sure:)

a lot of the businesses there are macedonian:)

[McDonian]

all businesses there are Macedonian, you silly slav, just like they would all be CRETAN in Hania, or Peloponessian in Corinth.

The Apostle Paul sent an Epistle to the Thessalonians, not the SOLUNIANS, or PSOLUNIANS

Sasha Veliki promoted Hellenism, ergo the Hellenistic Age..

may u have the fate of Anton Kaltsef

[mirwhitty]

that's all playing with words! the bottom line greeks have ZERO, ZILCH, NADA to show to the world that ancient macedonians were greek. at best you can show that some ancient macedonians were bi-lingual, that's all there is only one nation with CONTINUITY as MACEDONIANS and that aint the greeks. by the way ancient macedonians and ancient hellenes were not even the same race, let alone people check your ancient vases and pictures macedonians are white, greeks are black

[Hellenicone]

@mirwhitty

Let me know when you are finished with your retarded theories so I can start laughing at you.

[Hellenicone]

@mirwhitty

We dont need to show anything retard. The Macedonians participated in the PanHellenic Olympic Games. Religious and athletic festivities reverved only for Hellenes. Macedonian kings claimed direct decendency from Argos (Argives) as Herodotus himself states very clearly. The same Herodotus who wrote about Alexander I delcaring "for I myself am I Hellene by decent". Deluded Slav Bulgarians who speak a Slavic language and live in Paeonia/Dardania want to be something they are not.

[mirwhitty]

bulgarians are not slavs, they are tartars, learn something first! then say something.

The ancient Greek historians and geographers from the classical and the post-classical period, Ephoros, Pseudo-Skylax, Dionysius son of Kalliphon, and Dionysius Periegetes, all put the northern borders of Greece at the line from the Ambracian Gulf in the west to the Peneios River to the east, thus excluding Macedonia from Greece.

[McDonian]

basic college Logic (math) 101 made simple for south Slav peasants that speak english:

whether or NOT the ancient maks were ancient greeks/

and whether or NOT the modern greeks are related to the ancient greeks, and by extension, to the ancient maks/

/does NOT mean, by DEFAULT, that modern Slavs of Vardaska are related to the any of the above!

[mirwhitty]

belittling the slavs just tells who you are- a chauvinist !

but there is the little problem of the language:

that language that Alexander spoke to his solders when he didn't want greeks to understand him,

well turns out it was proto-slavic and is written all over macedonia, the balkans, egypt and asia minor

if you still think the slavs came in the 5th century and ate the indigenous people and took over their name,

tell me where do you think they came from and how did they do it?

[McDonian]

Your grasp of linguistics is astonishing, your a proponent of the 'protoslav' nonsense thrown out by fatman Donski...

Tell us, sherlock, was does the first letter in this "protoslav" alphabet look like, what does it sound like?

You belittle Slav culture, you piece of paesant dung...

[mirwhitty]

and what makes you an "expert" about slavic history and linguistics?

In the Shadow of Olympus (p.91-92) Borza writes:

"Thus, long before there was a sufficient ancient evidence to argue about the ethnic identity--as revealed by language--of the ancient Macedonians, there emerged a "Greek" position claiming that the Macedonian language was Greek, and that thus the inhabitants were Greek."

of course greeks had to do this to justify the stealing and ethnic cleansing of 50% of Macedonia

[McDonian]

again, what is the first letter of the 'protoslav' alphabet?

why do you continuously refer to ANCIENT Macedonians??

They could not understand Slavic languages, this is NOTcontested!

Nor did they worship pre-Christian Slav deities; whether they were or were not "ancient Greeks" does not affect YOU,

Simple

[kostasthess81]

@mirwhitty

Many Bulgarians come in THESSALONIKI for turism,,,all Bulgarians want to live there...And this Bulgarians on video come to Greece with Bulgarian passport...take and you one...

MAKEDONIA=HELLAS-NOT BULGARIAN!

[masomen88]

they are macedonian fuken greek gipsi

[kostasthess81]

@masomen88

They are brainwashing Bulgarians....

Open your slav eyes!

Don't you FYROM me,

Call by my name,

SAY BULGARONIA!!!

Ok fucken Bulgarski boy!!!

[Filotimos]

I agree with you, 90% of Thessaloniki inhabitants (or Solun in Bulgarian) are Macedonians. Fyromians are welcome to shop and meet real Macedonian who speak Greek, like Alexander the Great.

[mirwhitty]

you mean greek as a second language, just like Alexander right?

by the way you are not insulting me by calling me bulgarian

I know who i am, bulgarians know who they are:

tartars who accepted the old church macedonian language

when they accepted christianity from a macedonian:

St. Climent of Ohrid!

ask bulgarians what was their tataro- turkish language before they accepted macedonian 1000 years ago...

[Filotimos]

No you are not Bulgarian but a (Slav) Macedonian, we are Greek Macedonians. But Alexander's first language was Greek. Slavic languages did not exist then. But just because the ancient Macedonians spoke Greek does not mean you cannot identify today as a (Slav) Macedonian.

We are both Orthodox, children of Byzantium, Constantinople. EQUAL inheritors of the Ancient Greeks & our ancestor fought Ottoman Turkey & Nazi Germany. We want want our region to be safe, strong, wealthy & share our cultures

[mirwhitty]

I agree with you, we also want peace and stability

but that cannot happen as long as there are powers like greece, serbia and bulgaria planning to destroy the macedonians.

that brought 2 balkan wars and the beginning of the 1 world war

only recognition of the macedonians can bring stability,

and that includes macedonian minorities in greece and bulgaria

by the way as i said we don't know about the coming of the slavs or what was Alexanders native language,

initial evidence is it was proto slavic

[McDonian]

you initially sound... reasonable, only to wind up with the ridiculous "donski" crap about ... "proto-slavic", stick to reality. The first and best chronicles of the Slavic migrations south of the Danube were by Byzantine (Roman) sources, there are THOUSANDS on the net for you to study.

[mirwhitty]

I don't care about donski

you say there are thousands documents mentioning the slavs,

ok give me one name of the slavic king who came and conquered the balkans?

the word slav appears more frequently around the 5th century, thats because the Pope at that time forbids taking christians into slavery, and the only place for europeans to hunt for slaves is in eastern europe, thus non related languages in europe use the same word for slaves.

but that doesn't prove slavs came in the 5th c.

[masomen88]

go end get fuck gipsi you can never been macedonian long live macedonian

[Hellenicone]

What do barbarian Slavs have to do with Hellenic Macedonian history and culture?

A foreign people, speaking a Slavic tongue, with no history, no identity, and no pride except to steal and usurp Hellenic history and culture.

[arealmacedonian]

"barbarian Slavs"-Boy you are intelligent...unbelievably discriminatory ..and inhumane..Is that what they teach you in "Greek" school?

[MacedonianGR]

@arealmacedonian People acting like this, using Bulgarian heroes and stealing Hellenic history are barbarians my friend. :)

[Hellenicone]

They taught me some other things in school Slav boy, but no need to share it with the clearly demented and delusional Bulgarians who speak Slavic and have been brainwashed into thinking Sashe Veliki is their long lost cousin.

[MacedonianGR]

A Bulgarian hero in a Greek Macedonian city. Hilarious!! P-SOLUN IS VARDARSKAN.

[McDonian]

sad slavs sing solemn sonnets in (p)solun saloons, so soon

[keepdinoo]

Η ΜΑΛΑΚΕΙΑ ΔΕΝ ΕΧΕΙ ΣΥΝΟΡΑ!!!!!!

[lazhets]

Nice to see the new Turko-Christians in Solun.

[Hellenicone]

Nice to see Bulgarian Slavs in Thessaloniki.

[arealmacedonian]

Nice to see Macedonians in Solun.

All the "Greeks" on these boards know to do is use profanities and nonsense to describe their flawed view of history and reality.

[Hellenicone]

@Bulgar Slav

Real Macedonians are already in Thessaloniki. You know Thessaloniki (half sister of Alexander from which the city was named after). The same Thessaloniki which hosted a 1 million people demonstration on the name of Macedonia.

Bulgarian Slavs holding placards of Bulgarian heroes coming to our Hellenic cities is quite funny. Please old men and women. Do not hurt us with your cane and crutches.

[lazhets]

Why do the Greek-speaking Turkish Christians recently transplanted into Solun refer to indigenous Macedonians as "Bulgarians"? Why don't these fake Greeks, these pseudo-Ellines, go look for their history in Turkey and Asian Minor where their grandparents came from? The Macedonians in the video are "going home" to Solun, why doesn't Kostasthess80 go home to Istanbul?

[McDonian]

because they speak bulgarski, right "Goran"..?

Btw, a "Turkish Christian" is an "OXYMORON", a word Sasha Veliki would understand

solun (p)solun

[Hellenicone]

Turkish Christian is an oxymoron. The same kind of oxymoron that "Macedonian Slav" would be.

We need to be patient with these brainwashed Bulgarian Slavs. So many years under Tito rule and they forgot about their Bulgarian ethnic kin.

[vasilishatzi]

Nai nai MALAKES. Roufixte mia psoloun!!!

[kostasthess81]

Bulgarian turism in Makedonia...

Hellas and north part of this is the best destination of all Europeans.

Hellenic history...Thessaloniki city is a typical Greek city and all Bulgarians want live in Thessaloniki...

[papado2630]

Parte ta  A....... MOU...

[mastouris69]

(P)SOLUN will be yours again

[pliktrasgr]

omg hahahah so uneduc\ted poor facists...njationalists....hah­ahahs funny

[PaunBTMakedonski]

Doma si e doma ,pa kolku sakat neka kradat

Home sweet home- My Macedonia

Macedonia to Macedonians

Forever

[makedonce1986]

Солун е наш! МАКЕДОНИЈА на МАКЕДОНЦИТЕ!!1 ВМРО до смрт!

[Hellenicone]

Sorry, but the ancient Macedonians who were Hellenes don't speak Slavic, nor were Slavs.

It's okay though. Your Bulgarian brothers understand everything you say.