what kind of pedal are you using to loop those chords you solo over? i am finding your videos to be exactly what i need. something about the way you explain it works for me. thanks. I would like to get one of those pedals to practice with.
@eoianhen the reason that it "works" is because its actually wrong, and its easier to go along with something thats not actually true than the actual theory.
This guy is a basketcase, he tries to say hes right, then that hes wrong and he needs to learn himself, and that it doesnt matter either way over and over. He doesnt actually understand what hes talking about, and he doesnt even understand his own position w/ this discussion.
what kind of pedal are you using to loop those chords you solo over? i am finding your videos to be exactly what i need. something about the way you explain it works for me. thanks.
Yes. The 5th note of the C major scale is G. Play a G7 chord and the C major scale over it and you'll hear the G Mixolydian scale. G A B C D E F G = 1 2 3 4 5 6 b7 1= G Mixolydian.
I'm going to continue to explain this my way, the dummies way. The quick way to get results, the garage band way. People want to express and have fun not just think and feel nothing. It's just a quick way to get started that's all. You move the major scale around and find that you get other sounds out of it. What's so wrong or bad about that?
Geese.... Buddy.......forget the details and start playing your instrument.
@johnhguitar "I'm going to continue to explain this my way, the dummies way" the wrong way
i get far more emotion out of my instrument by knowing what it actually does. what you advocate is like having a painter not know mathematics(they use math to make the illusion of depth)
getting started on the wrong foot is no way to get started.
@endauthority most painters actually don't think using math. some may, but most paint based on impression they don't do any math at all...their may be math behind it, but that's for everything, most painters (including most of the famous ones) didn't do any math at all. so sorry, try again later! =)
@DarkJoker7 Yes, it depends on the painter. I wouldnt use "most painters" as an argument, considering most artists in general (this includes musicians) dont know the first thing about their craft.
Guys like Michaelangelo, however, knew precisely what he wanted to convey, and used mathematics to simulate the third dimension, while other artists slipped into the pseudo art known as impressionism.
@endauthority the fact you can be so presumptuous as to call anything a pseudo art is ridiculous...and most artists just know how to do those things because they've practiced their art their whole life...they don't need math.
@DarkJoker7 You do need math to create the illusion of the third dimension in a convincing way. No artists were able to accomplish it without the mathematicians first. Sorry, but its a historical fact. Look it up.
You probably dont even have a clear definition of art, and would fall into a subjectivist trap of calling everything art.
@endauthority actually most all artists don't use math at all...as any good artist will tell you shut off what your eyes see and paint from the heart, you're just butthurt you don't have the natural talent to do anything without having to think it through with math.
@DarkJoker7 Again, like I said, most artists dont know shit about art. Michaelangelo was one of the greatest, if not the greatest artists of human history, and he certainly used his logical faculties. Truth be told, most artists see art as an escape from the thought that they can be bad at something, or that they have to actually try, which is why they are so subjective.
Go ahead, try painting something without using mathematical proofs to make the illusion of the third dimension. Try it.
@endauthority Not a painter, and the illusion of the third dimension is created through shading, and making things that you want to be far away small and things you want to be close bigger then they are. you can easily achieve this without math when you're an artist. Every Professor in the college of art (you have to take every art class if you want to be an art major) teaches this. You can paint using math yes, but you can't make anything emotional with it that takes the artist and his/her
@DarkJoker7 wikipedia org/wiki/Mathematics_and_art
Math is used to enhance the art, to make it concise. An artist does not make the illusion through shading alone, but through mathematical knowledge of the human eye's ability to perceive. You didnt know that though,because youre as fucking ignorant as some hill billy from the south.
you probably also think music and math are separate LOL. i have talked to art professors about this, they agree with me.
@endauthority skills as an artist not as a mathematician and the ability to imagine what it is you draw. I'm sorry but you're missing the point of art. Go ahead and perform your "art" with math. it'll be bland...like first person shooters and their brown worlds they exist within in the art of Video game development.
@darthfocus Oh, im sorry. I should just allow people to go around spreading blatant misinformation so a bunch of yuppies can feel like they learned something.
@darthfocus The difference is that were talking about formalized theories. You can find this information anywhere, but a bunch of people are getting the wrong info from someone who barely understands the basics of music theory.
is it really only the c major scale? i thought i remembered reading somewhere that the 7th note was supposed to be dropped a semitone, or am i mistaken?
couldnt mixolydian or any mode for that matter be say the notes of a c major scale started on different scale degrees over a cmaj? for example, d dorian (d,e,f,g,a,b,c) over a cmaj instead of a cmaj scale over a dmin7 chord
@BradmanIII yes thats why they are officially called the 7 modes of the major scale. But mixo contains a b7 but is still considered a major scale. on minor 7 chords you could use dorian, phrygian will give you a more exotic sound though. Dorian as a minor scale, u basically use it when you have chord tones u can target with dorian but not phrygian.
Great, simple and straight. When you teach rock guitar is not so easy to explain modes. Is it correct for you to start from the progression based on the chords of the major scale and saying that the main chord of the progression, the one that, for example, lasts longer than the other and makes you feel "home" determines the mode? In a progression IV IV V I Lydian is the mode and this is the way you can feel the tension on the 4#? Thanks
Not seeing the chord progression in front of me doesn't help but it sounds like you're on the verge of discovering it anyway. Any chord built from a scale will harmonize with that scale theoretically. The rule of the land is experiment and listen to the harmony. You'll know when it's right.
@movida65 actually what john says is correct. But the theoretical answer is learn how to harmonize any scale by understanding major and minor 3rds. By doing that you can harmonize any scale to figure out all the chords you could use with it. riff of the week does a good lesson on harmonizing scales
What I meant is that, if you play a Dominant chord (or a major triad) and a mixolydian over it, it's easy for everybody to feel the tension on the minor seventh. But most of the questions are "hey teacher, I'm playng a solo over a song with different chords, so when chords change from G7 to Am7 I'm still playing Mixolydian mode?!" So It's important to understand the role of a progression to determine which mode you're playing. The chord that let you feel "home" determines the mode
@movida65 yea you r right. In that case from a G7 to an minor 7 chord what makes mixo unique is that it has a flat 7 but a maj 3rd. So obviously if you switch to a minor 7 and you have a flat 3rd mixo could work but it has to be in context and melodically consistent with Am. But you may pull more color and tension out of your sound if you make a concious effort to play exclusive Am licks even if you are in G mixo territory on the fret board
I was always under the impression that a Mixolydian mode was when you treat the V note of any major scale as the root, hence by using the G as the root using the notes of the C Major scale, you would be playing in G Mix. Likewise, Lydian would use the IV, Phrygian the III, Dorian the II, Aeolian (natural minor) the VI, Locrian the VII. Is that not correct? Or is that over-simplified?
@johnhguitar So what I take from this is that for it to sound good to play in a particular mode, the correct chords (or melodic ideas based on those chords) need to be used along with the correct mode. For example, riffs based on G Mix probably wouldn't sound as good played over an F chord as it might over a G7. Likewise, a riff based on F Lydian probably wouldn't sound right layered a G7. At least that's where my mind is on it at the moment. Am I on the right track here?
ionian mode represent all major scales and aeolian represent all natural minor scale. eg your in a c minor scale, translate that into a mode then your in an aeolian mode that starts in c...
In 20 years of playing guitar, this is the first time out of any video book or magazine lesson I've come across that explained this mode so quickly and simply. Within 1 minute I have a better understanding than an hour and 20 minute video from other teachers. Thanks John. If I lived nearby, I'd be contacting you for lessons immediately.
Thanks for the comment and I'm glad you're getting something out of the videos.
Since I can't teach you in person you should check out my book Guitar Workout published by Hal Leonard. I wrote it for the purpose of being a teacher's aid. It covers modes and then some.
This is a much better mode video than ALL the others I've seen. It actually gives you an idea on how to apply it! Many kudos. To everyone else who has modes lessons, watch and learn. There are so many topics regarding modes that are NEVER discussed. Grinds my gears!
damn i like your guitar tone really jazzy! are you using a roland JC-120??
PsnIDShMuK 6 days ago
this guy knows his shit, I don't even play guitar but I get it
Patritz 3 weeks ago
Thanks John,
for explaining modes as a phenomena of relationships. It's refreshing to see some coherency on youtube. Cheers.
allen764 1 month ago
like it, very clear, been trying to figure out these modes for ages, thanks dude
isleoforkney 2 months ago
...is that...JOHN MALCOVICH? I just KNEW he did more than acting.
YouMyWifeNowDave 3 months ago
what kind of pedal are you using to loop those chords you solo over? i am finding your videos to be exactly what i need. something about the way you explain it works for me. thanks. I would like to get one of those pedals to practice with.
eoianhen 4 months ago
I'm using a Boss delay pedal that has the hold feature. Thanks
johnhguitar 4 months ago
@eoianhen the reason that it "works" is because its actually wrong, and its easier to go along with something thats not actually true than the actual theory.
This guy is a basketcase, he tries to say hes right, then that hes wrong and he needs to learn himself, and that it doesnt matter either way over and over. He doesnt actually understand what hes talking about, and he doesnt even understand his own position w/ this discussion.
endauthority 4 months ago
@eoianhen I use a Boss RC3 - best pedal i ever got for practicing scales over chords.
RedRebel8 3 months ago
what kind of pedal are you using to loop those chords you solo over? i am finding your videos to be exactly what i need. something about the way you explain it works for me. thanks.
eoianhen 4 months ago
i mix up mixolydian and dorian in a blues. I mean, on a G dominant chord i play both Gmix and Gdor....I like the sound.
danlovesnan 5 months ago
So, is it safe to say play the fifth note in the major scale as a 7th chord. Then, play the major scale itself over it?
baconbag 6 months ago
Yes. The 5th note of the C major scale is G. Play a G7 chord and the C major scale over it and you'll hear the G Mixolydian scale. G A B C D E F G = 1 2 3 4 5 6 b7 1= G Mixolydian.
johnhguitar 6 months ago
@baconbag
That's how I figured it out too :D
iamheadbanger 4 months ago
wow.....some people are teachers....some are not. .Thanks.
eikels 6 months ago
So if the song were in the key of G you`d play an F maj. mode, is that how it goes?
spoon149 6 months ago
C if it's a G for the mixolydian.
johnhguitar 6 months ago
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spoon149 6 months ago
This just blew my mind. Does this go for all modes? Can you play them in a major shape?
TheActionService 6 months ago
ABCDEFG BCDEFGA CDEFGAB DEFGABC EFGABCD FGABCDE GABCDEF
What does this mean? That all these scales were created from the one scale of C major.
johnhguitar 6 months ago
@TheActionService dont get too blown away, he doesnt understand modes, and a lot of people have called him out on it.
endauthority 6 months ago
You might have knowledge when it comes to explaining modes but that's it.
johnhguitar 6 months ago
I'm going to continue to explain this my way, the dummies way. The quick way to get results, the garage band way. People want to express and have fun not just think and feel nothing. It's just a quick way to get started that's all. You move the major scale around and find that you get other sounds out of it. What's so wrong or bad about that?
Geese.... Buddy.......forget the details and start playing your instrument.
johnhguitar 6 months ago
@johnhguitar "I'm going to continue to explain this my way, the dummies way" the wrong way
i get far more emotion out of my instrument by knowing what it actually does. what you advocate is like having a painter not know mathematics(they use math to make the illusion of depth)
getting started on the wrong foot is no way to get started.
endauthority 6 months ago
@endauthority most painters actually don't think using math. some may, but most paint based on impression they don't do any math at all...their may be math behind it, but that's for everything, most painters (including most of the famous ones) didn't do any math at all. so sorry, try again later! =)
DarkJoker7 4 months ago
@DarkJoker7 Yes, it depends on the painter. I wouldnt use "most painters" as an argument, considering most artists in general (this includes musicians) dont know the first thing about their craft.
Guys like Michaelangelo, however, knew precisely what he wanted to convey, and used mathematics to simulate the third dimension, while other artists slipped into the pseudo art known as impressionism.
endauthority 4 months ago
@endauthority the fact you can be so presumptuous as to call anything a pseudo art is ridiculous...and most artists just know how to do those things because they've practiced their art their whole life...they don't need math.
DarkJoker7 4 months ago
@DarkJoker7 You do need math to create the illusion of the third dimension in a convincing way. No artists were able to accomplish it without the mathematicians first. Sorry, but its a historical fact. Look it up.
You probably dont even have a clear definition of art, and would fall into a subjectivist trap of calling everything art.
endauthority 4 months ago
@endauthority actually most all artists don't use math at all...as any good artist will tell you shut off what your eyes see and paint from the heart, you're just butthurt you don't have the natural talent to do anything without having to think it through with math.
DarkJoker7 4 months ago
@DarkJoker7 Again, like I said, most artists dont know shit about art. Michaelangelo was one of the greatest, if not the greatest artists of human history, and he certainly used his logical faculties. Truth be told, most artists see art as an escape from the thought that they can be bad at something, or that they have to actually try, which is why they are so subjective.
Go ahead, try painting something without using mathematical proofs to make the illusion of the third dimension. Try it.
endauthority 4 months ago
@endauthority Not a painter, and the illusion of the third dimension is created through shading, and making things that you want to be far away small and things you want to be close bigger then they are. you can easily achieve this without math when you're an artist. Every Professor in the college of art (you have to take every art class if you want to be an art major) teaches this. You can paint using math yes, but you can't make anything emotional with it that takes the artist and his/her
DarkJoker7 4 months ago
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@DarkJoker7 wikipedia org/wiki/Mathematics_and_art
Math is used to enhance the art, to make it concise. An artist does not make the illusion through shading alone, but through mathematical knowledge of the human eye's ability to perceive. You didnt know that though,because youre as fucking ignorant as some hill billy from the south.
you probably also think music and math are separate LOL. i have talked to art professors about this, they agree with me.
define art
endauthority 4 months ago
@endauthority skills as an artist not as a mathematician and the ability to imagine what it is you draw. I'm sorry but you're missing the point of art. Go ahead and perform your "art" with math. it'll be bland...like first person shooters and their brown worlds they exist within in the art of Video game development.
DarkJoker7 4 months ago
@johnhguitar it was a great lesson, great tool to get into another place, well done, but you knew that already!
darthfocus 6 months ago
@darthfocus No he didnt know that, he knows that anyone who came here knowing about modes knows that hes wrong.
endauthority 4 months ago
@endauthority What's the matter, don't have enough people to argue with on youtube?
darthfocus 4 months ago
@darthfocus Oh, im sorry. I should just allow people to go around spreading blatant misinformation so a bunch of yuppies can feel like they learned something.
endauthority 4 months ago
@endauthority And I thought Christians were self righteous.
darthfocus 4 months ago
@darthfocus The difference is that were talking about formalized theories. You can find this information anywhere, but a bunch of people are getting the wrong info from someone who barely understands the basics of music theory.
endauthority 4 months ago
@endauthority Different formula same tude.
darthfocus 4 months ago
@darthfocus No u
endauthority 4 months ago
looks cold in that place...doesn't that fuck up your neck?
twst1 7 months ago
i like how you explain scales and its aplication.
EPesq60 10 months ago
lol dorian is also good for pentatonics because dorian litterally forms the pentatonic scale.
liamzuid 11 months ago
is it really only the c major scale? i thought i remembered reading somewhere that the 7th note was supposed to be dropped a semitone, or am i mistaken?
stopmakingeyesatme1 1 year ago
there's the natural or major 7 and the flat (b) 7th as well....
johnhguitar 1 year ago
@johnhguitar hmm, alright thanks!
stopmakingeyesatme1 1 year ago
@stopmakingeyesatme1 C major uses the same notes as G mixolydian. If you compared C mixolidian to C major then you would find it has a flat 7 ;)
billylikenoodles 1 year ago
@billylikenoodles ohhhhhhhh okay, i get it! thanks!
stopmakingeyesatme1 1 year ago
@stopmakingeyesatme1 it has been dropped in relation to the g major scale
G major scale: G A B C D E F+
G mixolydian mode (C major Scale): G A B C D E F
SwampyGuitar 11 months ago
couldnt mixolydian or any mode for that matter be say the notes of a c major scale started on different scale degrees over a cmaj? for example, d dorian (d,e,f,g,a,b,c) over a cmaj instead of a cmaj scale over a dmin7 chord
BradmanIII 1 year ago
Didn't I say that in one way or another?
johnhguitar 1 year ago
@BradmanIII yes thats why they are officially called the 7 modes of the major scale. But mixo contains a b7 but is still considered a major scale. on minor 7 chords you could use dorian, phrygian will give you a more exotic sound though. Dorian as a minor scale, u basically use it when you have chord tones u can target with dorian but not phrygian.
sr1129 8 months ago
You rock and your guitar is awesome.
tough0crowd0eh9 1 year ago
@tough0crowd0eh9 I think it's a Gibson ES175. I love them. Steve Howe played one a lot.
wesmatron 1 year ago
Great, simple and straight. When you teach rock guitar is not so easy to explain modes. Is it correct for you to start from the progression based on the chords of the major scale and saying that the main chord of the progression, the one that, for example, lasts longer than the other and makes you feel "home" determines the mode? In a progression IV IV V I Lydian is the mode and this is the way you can feel the tension on the 4#? Thanks
movida65 1 year ago
Not seeing the chord progression in front of me doesn't help but it sounds like you're on the verge of discovering it anyway. Any chord built from a scale will harmonize with that scale theoretically. The rule of the land is experiment and listen to the harmony. You'll know when it's right.
johnhguitar 1 year ago
@movida65 actually what john says is correct. But the theoretical answer is learn how to harmonize any scale by understanding major and minor 3rds. By doing that you can harmonize any scale to figure out all the chords you could use with it. riff of the week does a good lesson on harmonizing scales
sr1129 8 months ago
@sr1129
What I meant is that, if you play a Dominant chord (or a major triad) and a mixolydian over it, it's easy for everybody to feel the tension on the minor seventh. But most of the questions are "hey teacher, I'm playng a solo over a song with different chords, so when chords change from G7 to Am7 I'm still playing Mixolydian mode?!" So It's important to understand the role of a progression to determine which mode you're playing. The chord that let you feel "home" determines the mode
movida65 8 months ago
@movida65 yea you r right. In that case from a G7 to an minor 7 chord what makes mixo unique is that it has a flat 7 but a maj 3rd. So obviously if you switch to a minor 7 and you have a flat 3rd mixo could work but it has to be in context and melodically consistent with Am. But you may pull more color and tension out of your sound if you make a concious effort to play exclusive Am licks even if you are in G mixo territory on the fret board
sr1129 3 months ago
I was always under the impression that a Mixolydian mode was when you treat the V note of any major scale as the root, hence by using the G as the root using the notes of the C Major scale, you would be playing in G Mix. Likewise, Lydian would use the IV, Phrygian the III, Dorian the II, Aeolian (natural minor) the VI, Locrian the VII. Is that not correct? Or is that over-simplified?
bossfrog 1 year ago
Correct, and the simpler the better. Thanks for the interest.
johnhguitar 1 year ago
@johnhguitar So what I take from this is that for it to sound good to play in a particular mode, the correct chords (or melodic ideas based on those chords) need to be used along with the correct mode. For example, riffs based on G Mix probably wouldn't sound as good played over an F chord as it might over a G7. Likewise, a riff based on F Lydian probably wouldn't sound right layered a G7. At least that's where my mind is on it at the moment. Am I on the right track here?
bossfrog 1 year ago
ionian mode represent all major scales and aeolian represent all natural minor scale. eg your in a c minor scale, translate that into a mode then your in an aeolian mode that starts in c...
sjphs 1 year ago
so which is easy to learn? major/ minor scale or modal
sjphs 1 year ago
In 20 years of playing guitar, this is the first time out of any video book or magazine lesson I've come across that explained this mode so quickly and simply. Within 1 minute I have a better understanding than an hour and 20 minute video from other teachers. Thanks John. If I lived nearby, I'd be contacting you for lessons immediately.
newguitarmonkey 1 year ago
Thanks for the comment and I'm glad you're getting something out of the videos.
Since I can't teach you in person you should check out my book Guitar Workout published by Hal Leonard. I wrote it for the purpose of being a teacher's aid. It covers modes and then some.
Thanks again.
johnhguitar 1 year ago
Will it get the mixolydian sound if the C major scale is played over a G major chord? if not, what would that be called?
alsharpton666 1 year ago
Yes Yes Yes!!! This is the correct understanding.
johnhguitar 1 year ago
So for example if your playing in the key of D...the fifth is the A...it would be called a A mixolydian though your playing the D major scale?
djbelac 1 year ago
If you play the D major scale over A7 the sound you get is A mixolydian.
johnhguitar 1 year ago
this is awesome. I've been studying mixolydian mode quite a bit recently and this just helped
JosephIbrahim88 2 years ago
Awesome vid! Is this scale good for playing jazz fusion? Thats the style I would like to learn next.
daryl152 2 years ago
All scales are good for jazz or rock fusion. The more sounds the better for that kind of music expression. Thanks for your interest.
johnhguitar 2 years ago
Thanks very much =D
daryl152 2 years ago
This is a much better mode video than ALL the others I've seen. It actually gives you an idea on how to apply it! Many kudos. To everyone else who has modes lessons, watch and learn. There are so many topics regarding modes that are NEVER discussed. Grinds my gears!
Blitzbok 2 years ago
Thank you!
is this used just to get a mixo sound? cuz i thought that mixo mode is maj scale with flated 7th note?
SergeyKozlov 2 years ago
The G major scale with a flatted 7th has the same notes as the C major scale. Remaining lessons will make that clearer.
-jc
johnhguitar 2 years ago
ha, it's like "relative minor" but relative mixolydian!
Looking forward for those lesson! keep the good work up!
Greatings from Russia!
SergeyKozlov 2 years ago